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ed316
05-11-2006, 02:02 PM
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Healing the cartoon row wounds
By Roger Hardy
BBC Islamic affairs analyst
The great and the good from Europe and the Muslim world spent two days at a quiet retreat in southern England this month in an urgent effort at crisis management.


The mood was sombre.
"There is no trust," lamented a senior Muslim diplomat. "Dialogue has failed. We need a historic reconciliation."
The soul-searching was prompted by the bitter controversy over cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad.
The republication of the cartoons in several European countries - after they first appeared in Denmark last year - provoked a wave of Muslim anger and dire warnings of a "clash of civilisations".
The row is a symptom of a deeper malaise. Tensions between Muslim and non-Muslim in Europe have been building since the Madrid bombings in 2004 and the attacks on the London underground last year.
Anxious to limit the damage, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) - the main international body which seeks to speak for the Muslim world - decided to organise two days of high-level brain-storming.
As well as OIC officials, the event brought together senior figures from the European Union, the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and the United Nations, as well as Muslim and non-Muslim academics, journalists and human-rights activists.
The green and secluded setting was Wilton Park, a conference centre in Sussex which serves as an arm of the British Foreign Office.
Hate crime
Under the rules of engagement, I can tell you what was said but not who said it.
Such encounters face intrinsic difficulties.

ISLAM AND THE WEST


The EU and the OSCE are rich men's clubs. Most of the OIC's members are poor.
"Hegemony produces animosity," remarked a Malaysian diplomat. "We must treat one another as equals."
The cartoon affair exacerbated the feeling among Muslims that the West and the Western media do not treat them as equals, but routinely belittle them and their faith.
Muslims want to counter "Islamophobia" - fear and hatred of Islam and Muslims - which they see as a form of hate crime.
But how?
As a Muslim judge told the conference, you cannot outlaw fear and hatred - only their expression - and even then you run the risk of trampling on basic freedoms.


During the cartoon crisis, European governments tried to reassure Muslims that they understood their feelings. But they were unwilling to tell newspaper editors what they could or could not publish.
Governments could sometimes "remind the media of their responsibilities", as a senior British official put it, but that was as far as they could go.
Integration debate
The conference discussed how to integrate Muslims into European societies.
The London bombings were carried out by four young Muslims born and bred in Britain.
This fact, as the senior British official ruefully acknowledged, shocked those who had supposed that Britain had a "reasonably well integrated society".
As a result, greater engagement with the Muslim mainstream was now both a domestic and a foreign-policy priority.
Optimists felt Europe's Muslims could be the "missing link" between Islam and the West.
But one Danish Muslim felt European Muslims had to focus on European concerns.
He and his colleagues had found, for example, that they could engage in Jewish-Muslim dialogue, but only if they sidestepped the Israel-Palestine dispute.


Clash of ignorance?
Is there an unbridgeable gulf of misunderstanding between Islam and the West - a "clash of ignorance", as an Austrian diplomat put it?

CARTOON ROW
30 Sept 2005: </B>Danish paper publishes cartoons
10 Jan 2006: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons
31 Jan: Danish paper apologises
1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons
4-5 Feb: Danish embassies in Damascus and Beirut attacked
6-12 Feb: Twelve killed in Afghanistan protests
13-18 Feb: Violent protests break out across Pakistan
18 Feb: 16 killed in Nigerian protest
19 Feb: Police tear gas demonstrators in Islamabad, Pakistan


Danish officials were anxious to explain that they had learned lessons from the cartoon affair.
"We did not know the deep religious feelings of Muslims," said a former government minister candidly.
Some Muslims, for their part, sought to understand the fears and phobias of their non-Muslim neighbours.
"It is legitimate to be scared," a prominent European Muslim intellectual told the conference.
Muslim governments did not escape blame.
How can we urge the West to protect religious freedom - asked a distinguished Pakistani human-rights advocate - and deny it in our own countries?
Pointed questions were asked about the rights of women and minorities in the Muslim world. Were Muslims not sometimes guilty of a double standard?
Some felt the only solution to the crisis in relations between Islam and Europe was through education.
Britain had experienced three decades of multi-faith education in its state schools, and this was beginning to bear fruit.
The influence of the media was, in comparison, shallow and short-term.
Echoing the call, an Egyptian participant said educational reform was at the heart of a new and growing demand for a "cultural revolution" in the Muslim world.
But no one could see quick or easy solutions.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4759187.stm

Published: 2006/05/11 09:36:58 GMT

© BBC MMVI

Mastermind
05-11-2006, 02:08 PM
The image of a whipped puppy comes to mind now when I think of the Danes...disgusting.

c62
05-11-2006, 02:16 PM
How can we urge the West to protect religious freedom - asked a distinguished Pakistani human-rights advocate - and deny it in our own countries?
...
Were Muslims not sometimes guilty of a double standard?
I thought that was the best point of the article, and they glossed over it real quick. They didn't seem to mind going into detail about what the muslims thought what was wrong with european society. The biggest issue I have with the Islamic world is the double standard. If they can kill jews and christians in Saudi Arabia then can't we kill them here in Europe/USA?

praetorian6
05-11-2006, 03:02 PM
I thought that was the best point of the article, and they glossed over it real quick. They didn't seem to mind going into detail about what the muslims thought what was wrong with european society. The biggest issue I have with the Islamic world is the double standard.

I agree with you 100%.
Also, If they would freaking relax a little bit then the rest of the world would accept them more. When was the last time a Christian or Jew blew up a few buildings or rioted over an unflattering cartoon of Jesus? I have always supported other's beliefs, but this is too much.

annihilation
05-11-2006, 03:22 PM
Take a look at the church's and public reaction to the Da Vinci code movie. They are upset but they haven't called for violence....well yet atleast. Some cardinals have advocated banning the movie or taking legal action, but most of what they say falls on deaf ears. That books pretty much call calls the whole faith of the church is based on a lie too.

ed316
05-11-2006, 03:24 PM
Take a look at the church's and public reaction to the Da Vinci code movie. They are upset but they haven't called for violence....well yet atleast. Some cardinals have advocated banning the movie or taking legal action, but most of what they say falls on deaf ears.

Do you mean the Opus Dei crowd?

tribal
05-11-2006, 03:31 PM
what cartoon 'row'? there is no 'row'. theres the civilized and normal people who barely looked twice at these poor drawings and went on their business, and theres the religious assholes who rioted and burned and killed and demanded 'reconciliation' and 'understanding'.

please., the problem does not lie in Europe or the Western court. The problem lies 100% in Muslim's inability to tolerate any criticism or opposing views. this is the basic fact. We have an inalieable FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and FREEDOM OF RELIGION. this is why jews, christians and others dont go on rioting and killing sprees anytime someone says a word contrary to the mass group-think dogma.

Macs.
05-11-2006, 03:36 PM
Now the angry crowd picked on us for "killing" an guy who tried to murder a journalist for printing the cartoons...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80824

Whoami88
05-11-2006, 03:38 PM
please., the problem does not lie in Europe or the Western court. The problem lies 100% in Muslim's inability to tolerate any criticism or opposing views..

/sarcasm

but... Thats RACIST!@#!!! Stop sterotyping the Muslim people!@!!@!


/end sarcasm


:roll:

Jake M
05-11-2006, 04:57 PM
I wonder if any of the EU members pointed out that you can be arrested just for owning a Bible in Saudi Arabia? Somehow I can't see that happening.

Perhaps the quick and easy solution is for the Muslim world to accept that we in the West have freedom of speech?

Mastermind
05-11-2006, 05:18 PM
Freedome of speech? really? The westerner does not have freedom of speech...he is led to believe he does...but, try stanidng on a street corner in San Francisco and shouting "Queers suck!" (yeah...funny huh?)...try standing on a corner in down town Detroit and shout something about Ni@@ers....you will be hauled off to the town square and whipped if you survive that long...see that's now called "Hate Speech"...now stand on a corner in those cities and talk bad about Jews or Christians....folks will stop and listen and some will cheer and the cops will walk on by chewing their free apples. That's not "Hate Speech".....and so...We know we do not have free speech at all.

tribal
05-11-2006, 05:46 PM
Freedome of speech? really? The westerner does not have freedom of speech...he is led to believe he does...but, try stanidng on a street corner in San Francisco and shouting "Queers suck!" (yeah...funny huh?)...try standing on a corner in down town Detroit and shout something about Ni@@ers....you will be hauled off to the town square and whipped if you survive that long...see that's now called "Hate Speech"...now stand on a corner in those cities and talk bad about Jews or Christians....folks will stop and listen and some will cheer and the cops will walk on by chewing their free apples. That's not "Hate Speech".....and so...We know we do not have free speech at all.

dude, yellin 'nig-ers' in Compton or Detroit is a well-deserved death sentence.

theres the freedom of speech and then there's common sense.

yelling 'nig-ers' has nothing to do with freedom of speech, and everything to do with stupidity. We do have a freedom of speech. Yelling FAGS in San Fran or Nigg-ers in Compton will not get you in trouble with the GOVERNMENT, but you will get your ass righteously kicked by the people that you piss off.

annihilation
05-11-2006, 05:53 PM
You can say what you want where you want, but you also have to deal with the repercussions that come from what you said. Well till the cops come and pull your limp body out of the pile and rush you to the hospital.