Russian Soldier Canonized

[RSK]

The New Martyr Soldier Evgeny of Chechnya (1984-2002)
Canonized on August 20th the day of his martyrdom


When one of our associates was in Moscow last year, just about every parish bookstall had a Xeroxed notice about a young soldier named Evgeny, who had been captured by the Chechnens along with five of his buddies.

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Photo of the New Martyr Soldier Evegeny

Chechnens promised to spare the young Russians their lives if they converted to Islam. The others agreed, but Evgeny refused, insisting that he was an Orthodox Christian. The Chechnens beheaded him and subsequently sent his severed head to his mother as a sort of memento. This young lad had been recognized everywhere as a (Moscow & environs, Sergiev Posad, Murom, Diveevo, Arzamas) martyr, in a spontaneous, popular movement of piety. His picture was everywhere, usually with the caption "Martyred Soldier Evgeny". He was martyred on his 18th birthday, 6 months after he started his service.

Chechnen field commander Rusland Haihoroev beheaded Evgeny, after Evgeny denied conversion to Islam and refused to give up his cross (which by the way was part of the medal for bravery). Many months his mother searched for his body, and finally after paying $500, was shown the forest where he was buried. She found the bodies of 4 more boys along with his. A giant wooden cross has since been erected on his grave. His own cross, the one that he refused to give up, his mother, Lubov Radionova, has donated to St. Nicholas Church in Ordinka, Moscow.

The New Martyr Evgeny the Soldier was canonized on August 20th. A Church in his name is to be build in Hankala, near Groziniy. It will be the only Orthodox Church in Chechnya.

Source: Orthodox Heritage. The Greek Orthodox Brotherhood of St. Poimen. Florence, Arizona. Volume 01, Issue 1 January 2003 p. 4.

For more information about the martyrdom of St. Evgeny, visit http://english.pravda.ru/society/2003/01/08/41724.html

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Russian Soldier Goes Through Chechen Captivity Hell

Evgeny Rodionov,19 years old, did not lose his faith despite horrible tortures

The Chechen captivity is the most horrid, the most inhuman and barbaric thing that can ever happen, says Evgeny-s mother. She had to survive hell to find her son, the body of her son, to be more precise. Evgeny-s death coincided with his 19th birthday. Evgeny-s mother, Lubov, was a little late: she was just seven kilometers far from the place of her son-s execution.

Evgeny was born 30 minutes after midnight on May 23, 1977. His delivery was not hard. He was a good and healthy child, his weight was 3900 grams. I was so relieved, when I heard his first cry. As if he was trying to say: ?I came into this world, love me!¦ I incidentally looked at the window. It was dark outside, and I suddenly saw a falling star. I went pale, my heart turned to a cold small piece. Doctors tried to convince me that it was a good sign. They told me that a falling star was a sign of good life for my baby. However, I had to live with a sense of something dangerous coming over us. Time made me forget about it, but I had to remember the sign in 19 years.¦

The Russian patriotic press has already reported about the deed of a 19-year-old Russian soldier, Evgeny Rodionov. This young man found himself in the Chechen captivity in 1996. He did not betray either his fatherland or his faith. He did not take off his cross even at the hardest moment of beastly tortures. The state decorated Evgeny with the Order of Courage. People-s donations made it possible to put a two-meter high Orthodox cross on his grave. People come to visit his grave from most distant parts of Russia. His mother, Lubov Rodionova, says that people-s attitude changed her entire awareness of life. A WWII veteran once came to visit Evgeny-s grave. He took off his military decoration v the Bravery Medal v and put in on the tombstone.

Evgeny Rodionov-s biography was published in a book that came out in 2002. The book was called ?The New Martyr of Christ, Warrior Evgeny.¦ This is not really a book, but a booklet, which was written by priest Alexander Shargunov. However, we know little about Evgeny-s inmost thoughts, feelings, emotions, or what he had to go through during three months of the Chechen hell. A lot of things remain a mystery. Lubov Rodionova shared her thoughts with the priest about her son-s childhood, his interests at school, his attitude to the military service. She also shared her most horrible thoughts v about the news of his alleged desertion from the army, and what followed that news afterwards.

Eighteen-year-old Evgeny Rodionov was taken captive with three other soldiers at night of February 14th, not far from the Chechen settlement of Galashki. The guys arrived from the Kaliningrad region. They patrolled the border between the republics of Chechnya and Ingushetia. Their control and registration post was located some 200 meters far from the security detachment. The post was just a small cabin, without any light or wire communication. The cabin did not even have a military support, in spite of the fact that it was a single cabin on the mountainous road, which was used for carrying weapons, ammunition, captives, drugs and so on. The border guards stopped an ambulance vehicle to check it. More than ten armed Chechens got out of the vehicle. Needless to mention that it was very easy for them to cope with young inexperienced soldiers. The guys showed as much resistance as they could, but the outcome of the fight was evident before it even started. Lubov Rodionova believes that this incident happened over officers- negligence, basically. ?The captivity has always been considered to be the most horrible thing that can ever happen to a person. It implies no freedom, but only tortures and humiliation. Experience showed that the Chechen captivity is the most horrid, the most inhuman and barbaric thing that can ever happen,¦ Lubov Rodionova believes.

As soon as she learned that her son was a captive of Chechen guerrillas, she started looking for him all over Chechnya for nine months. She had to go through every horror imaginable. ?I think that God was watching over me. I was walking along mined roads, but I did not step on a bomb. He protected me from bombings, he did not let me die, because my duty was to find my son, to bury him on his native land, according to Christian traditions. I have realized that recently. When I was walking along those military roads, I just kept silence, praying to God in my heart.¦

Chechen bandits murdered Evgeny Rodionov on May 23, 1996 in the Chechen settlement of Bamut. Russian troops occupied the village the next day. Lubov Rodionova learned about her son-s death only in September. She had to put a mortgage on her own apartment in order to find Evgeny-s body and to take it away along with the bodies of his murdered friends. A Chechen man agreed to show her the place, where Evgeny was buried. She had to pay him a lot of money for that. ?When I came to Chechnya in the middle of February, a living private cost ten million rubles. This price was 50 million in August. A friend of mine was told to pay 250 million rubles for her son, since he was an officer. It was nighttime, when I and some sappers were digging the pit, in which the bodies of four Russian soldiers were thrown. I was praying all the time, hoping that my Evgeny was not going to be there. I could not and did not want to believe that he was murdered. When we were taking out the remnants, I recognized his boots. However, I still refused to accept the fact of his death, until someone found his cross. Then I fainted.¦

Evgeny Rodionov was murdered by Ruslan Khaikhoroyev. This bandit confessed that himself. ?Your son had a choice to stay alive. He could convert to Islam, but he did not agree to take his cross off. He also tried to escape once,¦ said Khaikhoroyev. The guerrilla was killed together with his bodyguards on August 23, 1999 in a fight between armed Chechen groups. When Lubov Rodionova came back home, Evgeny-s father died five days after the funeral. He could not stand the loss of his son.

Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov, acting chairman of the Moscow Patriarchy department for cooperation with the Armed Forces, says that Evgeny Rodionov will definitely be canonized. The adequate inquiry has already been made, although more information about Evgeny's fate is needed. Father Dmitry said that Evgeny would be canonized as soon as the information was collected.

A sign in memory of the brave Russian border guard was put at the entrance to the school, where he studied. There was also a documentary released about him. The writings on Evgeny-s grave cross run: ?Russian soldier Evgeny Rodionov is buried here. He defended his Fatherland and did not disavow Christ. He was executed on May 23, 1996, on the outskirts of Bamut.¦

?We know that he had to go through horrible, long-lasting sufferings that could be compared to the ones of great martyrs in ancient times. They were beheaded, dismembered, but they remained devoted to Jesus Christ anyway,¦ priest Alexander Shargunov said during the requiem in Evgeny Rodionov-s memory.

[RSK]

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[UkrainianAmerican]

RIP :(

[Marmot1]

So when he was born???

1.
The New Martyr Soldier Evgeny of Chechnya (1984-2002)
Canonized on August 20th the day of his martyrdom

or...
2.
Evgeny was born 30 minutes after midnight on May 23, 1977(...) This young man found himself in the Chechen captivity in 1996

1st or 2nd war???

BTW. Very fast canonization in catholic curch it can be done 50years after death (exception - Mother Theresa of Calcuta)

RIP

[RSK]

So when he was born???

1.
The New Martyr Soldier Evgeny of Chechnya (1984-2002)
Canonized on August 20th the day of his martyrdom

or...
2.
Evgeny was born 30 minutes after midnight on May 23, 1977(...) This young man found himself in the Chechen captivity in 1996

1st or 2nd war???

BTW. Very fast canonization in catholic curch it can be done 50years after death (exception - Mother Theresa of Calcuta)

RIP

See, I don't know thats what I'm looking into now. The conflict of dates is weird but I'll get to the bottom of it!

[SeanAshi]

I seen like 3 seconds of a tape of Chechens sticking a knife into a young Russian soldiers throat, worse thing I have ever seen, damn them Chechen savages..they deserve the same fate.

[RSK]

I seen like 3 seconds of a tape of Chechens sticking a knife into a young Russian soldiers throat, worse thing I have ever seen, damn them Chechen savages..they deserve the same fate.

You know what...

They say that that a video was made by the Chechens of St. Evegni's death

[Srachka to Perdachka]

RIP

[Srachka to Perdachka]

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[RomanS]

I knew Jenya and his mother Lubov.

Rest in Peace brother!

[SeanAshi]

Chechnens promised to spare the young Russians their lives if they converted to Islam. The others agreed, but Evgeny refused, insisting that he was an Orthodox Christian. The Chechnens beheaded him and subsequently sent his severed head to his mother as a sort of mementoNow that is what you call faith!

[tony6]

I've seen that video also (the one with sticking the knife into throat).
Really horrible...

[RomanS]

Think of 400+ hours in FSB and MVD's archives of nothing but executions done by Chechen freedom fighters.

But can you imagine how many more hours were never intercepted, or captured by our agencies?

I've seen maybe total of 3-4 hours total of this ****. It stops your brain for a few seconds, and turns you into a crazy animal. But we don't fall into the same level as them.

Chechens would use some of the most brutal techniques for beheadings.

They would cut Russian soldier's heads with dull bayonets, they would saw their heads off slowly, they would use shovels, axes, kinjals, sicles, I've even seen one with a butter knife. The butcher had a hard time cutting through the skin of a Russian soldier with it, so he tried to rip off his cords, muscles and arteries.

Another popular was the "Zippo". For an example they tie Russian soldiers hands behind his back, and put him on his knees. A chechen freedom fighter would insert a knive through the side of his throat, and cut his way towards the front. Another chechen freedom fighter would kick his head, so it would flip back explosing the open neck. Hence the Zippo lighter effect when you flip the cover.

Eugene Rodionov is in my heart forever, and he was avenged. He was executed near Bamut. They used the rusted old saw, and slowly sawed his head off. Everything was filmed, and when Lubov Rodionova came to see the field commander who did it, he gave her a tape with her son's execution on it.


All for freedom, all for allah

[RSK]

http://www.fr-d-serfes.org/images/evgeny1.jpg

I took this icon and printed it out.

I put it in my wallet.

[RomanS]

RSK

thank you for kind support!

I, and I'm sure my other Russian brothers appreciate this, and remember... woot

[basket of soft kittens]

semper fi! buddy......... :( .....

[AK-Lover]

They should now pull 5 ****ing chechen dogs off the street and just ****ing shoot them like the animals the are! :slap: :-*$ :fork: :backhand:
R.I.P. to our Russian brother. :(

[Romulus]

R.I.P young man....


Those Chechen rebels all deserve to die a horrid death 1000 times over.

[SeanAshi]

Think of 400+ hours in FSB and MVD's archives of nothing but executions done by Chechen freedom fighters.I would suggest Russia nuke Chechnya :P But the EU wouldn't go for it, but nevertheles I believe Russia will when its war on terror against the Chechens :hug:

[RomanS]

who cares what Europe thinks. we can't nuke our own territory

Chechens are lucky they are existing today because of Clinton ;)

but look at how they fight for their freedom. Soon they will turn on USA as well.

[SeanAshi]

I haven't heard to much news from Chechnya lately whats going on now?

[Romulus]

Chechens are lucky they are existing today because of Clinton

but look at how they fight for their freedom. Soon they will turn on USA as well.

Clinton was a tool... I say take the bastards out with avengence. Russia you've got my support.

[SeanAshi]

Take them terrorist sob's out! Its a bad day for the terrorist, Israeli troops are massing on the Gaza border about to move in.

[Kingpin]

So when he was born???

1.
The New Martyr Soldier Evgeny of Chechnya (1984-2002)
Canonized on August 20th the day of his martyrdom

or...
2.
Evgeny was born 30 minutes after midnight on May 23, 1977(...) This young man found himself in the Chechen captivity in 1996

1st or 2nd war???

BTW. Very fast canonization in catholic curch it can be done 50years after death (exception - Mother Theresa of Calcuta)

RIP

See, I don't know thats what I'm looking into now. The conflict of dates is weird but I'll get to the bottom of it!

84-2002 is a mistake. 77-96 - proper dates. Reporters as usual did bad job. And he wasn't canonized officialy last time i've heard about this story.

[sierraone]

Long live Christianity and Orthodoxy. Crush Islam! Back to the 15th century, eh?

Ι will keep a copy of this in my wallet too..

[Ezra Coli]

God bless this brother. All Christians of any flavor can draw inspiration from this man. Thanks for posting this story.

[SAS Britain]

The War in Chechnya has been over for about 9 months!!!! Russia has taken out the young soldiers and have deployed some experienced men. There have been only successes on the Russian side for the past year and a half. The Chechen war casualties are roughly 4,372 on the Russian side since 1999. 104,724 on the Chechen side ince 1999. Most soldiers which have died there have been captured or have tripped an explosive device. Chechens cannot shoot. For goodness sake, they aim a rifle with 1 eye closed, Dumb ****ing Savages and that anal whore Vanessa Redgrave from Britain, paying 50,000 bail for some Chechen **** head who will be killed soon. I am planning to find her address and launch a raid with some other Russian patriots. Amen and God bless all Christians and Lord smit all Muslims.

[Midav]

Thank you for sharing this story.

RIP :(

[SAS Britain]

BTW, I forgot to say the Chechen casualties were only Rebels and foreign mercs in dumb inexperienced and untrained fools who cannot get a girlfriend and who want to serve I their fake allah. We in Britain hate those ****ing terrorists which were released even though they were caughts with AKs. I ****ing hate UK terrorist laws because they are rediculous and still call the terrorists Brits.

[RSK]

bump

[Hellfish]

No offense intended, but I thought you had to perform a miracle to be canonized. Or is that just for Catholics?

Canonized means sainthood, right?

[sierraone]

I don't about 'canonised' maybe it is just a poor translation of Russian into English. Evgeny was certainly a martyr for Christianity and Orthodoxy along the lines of St. George and many others that were tortured and killed throughout history for their beliefs.

[PELASGOS]

RIP BROTHER

[Hellfish]

I don't about 'canonised' maybe it is just a poor translation of Russian into English. Evgeny was certainly a martyr for Christianity and Orthodoxy along the lines of St. George and many others that were tortured and killed throughout history for their beliefs.

Ah... thanks.

RIP to the Martyr

[km5]

chechenskie urodi. dikie zhivotnie.

[FallenAngel]

BTW. Very fast canonization in catholic curch it can be done 50years after death (exception - Mother Theresa of Calcuta)

RIP

Orthodox Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing. Hasn't been for over 1,000 years (1056AD if I remember right).

[M4ko]

I think you mean Icononized, from word Icon.

[usa320]

God Bless this young man. What he did was very brave, to keep his faith in such horrible circumstances.

[RomanS]

Thank you all for the nice words

He deserves to be a saint. God bless this Russian Soldier. Hes forever in my heart

[Gauntlet]

Like any good Jesus Freak

RIP brother.

[Miles.]

Yes, I just have to say God Bless this Christian. From USA, sorry for your loss, Mother Russia.

He died for God, and Country.

Terrorist scum should be afraid of the faithful, no matter the nation.

RIP

[uglybaby]

We should all be so lucky to have men as fine as he serving in our militaries...RIP your memory and action lives on.

[V0rkutinetz]

RIP

Vechnaya pamyat'

[Frank Discussion]

Thank you all for the nice words

He deserves to be a saint. God bless this Russian Soldier. Hes forever in my heart

I agree, and his sacrifice will not be forgotten.

As for the Chechens, I think that General Aleksei Yermolov put it well when he stated:

"You have the soul of a dog and the mind of an ass, and so long
as you fail to become the faithful servant of my great sovereign,
then so long will it be my aim to wash my boots in your blood'

[Jaguar]

RIP brave young man.

No ofense intendend, but the pictures make Chechnya looks like German in the end of second war, not surprisingly it´s a savage war. Nevertheless there is no excuse to what they´ve done with this boy. I say blast the bastards but don´t harm the innocents.

[4nzix]

God bless him!!!


The brave man died for what he believed in.


I also printed out that pic and put it in my car.




PS- Russia should just nuke the Chechen terrorist scum.

[johnnu]

amazing, simply amazing. in this day and age how many people have a faith so absolute that they would give their live before denying Christ ? it is one thing to say, but another to do, truely this young man shall be at Gods side this day and forever.

[Werewolf01]

His mother should take some pride in the fact that she raised a good man. I wish him and his family peace. I wish all of the Russian boys luck and I hope they are VERY SUCCESSFUL!

[Doomsayer]

ive also seen the video its disgusting

RIP

long live the russians

[RomanS]

ive also seen the video its disgusting

RIP

long live the russians
its not him on that video that was on the internet

[americanbychoice]

BTW. Very fast canonization in catholic curch it can be done 50years after death (exception - Mother Theresa of Calcuta)

RIP

Orthodox Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing. Hasn't been for over 1,000 years (1056AD if I remember right).

Very true, but we are all brothers in Christ.

And when it comes to Islamist terror, we are all brothers in arms.

May our holy brother RIP.

[)I(EHbKA.]

PS- Russia should just nuke the Chechen terrorist scum.

Would be nice, except that those bastards are hard to find.

[sierraone]

BTW. Very fast canonization in catholic curch it can be done 50years after death (exception - Mother Theresa of Calcuta)

RIP

Orthodox Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing. Hasn't been for over 1,000 years (1056AD if I remember right).

Very true, but we are all brothers in Christ.

And when it comes to Islamist terror, we are all brothers in arms.

May our holy brother RIP.

x2

[UoUo]

RIP.



Those bastred who killed him whould be in hell i am sure.

Crush the terrorists! GO RUSSIA! :bash: :bash:

[lem0n]

Земля тебе пухом, братишка..

[sierraone]

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[Geocider]

ive also seen the video its disgusting

RIP

long live the russians
its not him on that video that was on the internet

Ain't it him in the documentary Mirot Vorci? It's a bit hard for me to really know as i don't speak Russain though...

[Cambridge Rabbit]

A truly amazing story. Thanks for sharing.

R.I.P.

[Adam Wilhelm]

I knew Jenya and his mother Lubov.

Rest in Peace brother!

Really??
What are the odds for that?? :cantbeli:

[RomanS]

I knew Jenya and his mother Lubov.

Rest in Peace brother!

Really??
What are the odds for that?? :cantbeli:

I will have to scan photos from our pioneer camp.
The camp was near Podolsk where he spent time as well. After the early days I lost all contact with him. And my granmother told me about what happened first.

[Adam Wilhelm]

Please do so... great kid that didn´t loose faith!

[4nzix]

God Bless him.

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[Mr. HAXEP]

Thank you all for the nice words

He deserves to be a saint. God bless this Russian Soldier. Hes forever in my heart

I agree, and his sacrifice will not be forgotten.

As for the Chechens, I think that General Aleksei Yermolov put it well when he stated:

"You have the soul of a dog and the mind of an ass, and so long
as you fail to become the faithful servant of my great sovereign,
then so long will it be my aim to wash my boots in your blood'

He sad that in the same time, when in USA was genocid to American Indians and England traded by slaves from Africa.

[HUAH]

I've seen the video of him being killed.
It is very brutal. It certainly shouldn't help any "Islamic" cause.

[BigBaribal]

RIP for this brave.

May I add that, in spite of being catholic myself, there are things I very much admire in the Orthodoxy!

[BigBaribal]

BTW. Very fast canonization in catholic curch it can be done 50years after death (exception - Mother Theresa of Calcuta)

RIP

Orthodox Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing. Hasn't been for over 1,000 years (1056AD if I remember right).

Very true, but we are all brothers in Christ.

And when it comes to Islamist terror, we are all brothers in arms.

May our holy brother RIP.


I'm thinking exactly the same thing: probably the worst event in the whole story of Occident was when the crusaders raped Constantinople on 12th April of 1204, instead of helping and fighting alongside with our Orthodox brothers.

We are still paying today, on a civilisational point of view, for this extremely bad and positively stupid action.

But now, it's time to realize that the Western (catholics, protestants, anglicans) Christian Europe has much more in common than in difference with the Oriental Orthodox Christian Europe.

United we stand, divided we lose.

[janosik]

RIP

[RomanS]

I've seen the video of him being killed.
It is very brutal. It certainly shouldn't help any "Islamic" cause.

where did you see it

[sierraone]

BTW. Very fast canonization in catholic curch it can be done 50years after death (exception - Mother Theresa of Calcuta)

RIP

Orthodox Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing. Hasn't been for over 1,000 years (1056AD if I remember right).

Very true, but we are all brothers in Christ.

And when it comes to Islamist terror, we are all brothers in arms.

May our holy brother RIP.


I'm thinking exactly the same thing: probably the worst event in the whole story of Occident was when the crusaders raped Constantinople on 12th April of 1204, instead of helping and fighting alongside with our Orthodox brothers.

We are still paying today, on a civilisational point of view, for this extremely bad and positively stupid action.

But now, it's time to realize that the Western (catholics, protestants, anglicans) Christian Europe has much more in common than in difference with the Oriental Orthodox Christian Europe.

United we stand, divided we lose.

There are a lot of mistakes that have happened in the past and the Catholic church has apologised for them. One big mistake is the cowardice of Bosnian Slavs and Albanians in converting to Islam when faced with the option of slavery or death. Now we have the situation of Islamic infiltration in Europe. They too were Christians before that happened.

There have been efforts in the past of bringing the two churches back together and the late Pope said that the Christian church should 'breathe from both lungs'. As a sign of ecumenity his funeral was blessed by the Orthodox Patriarchs and 'Christ is Risen' was sung. However I believe full union won't happen as it has been too long since the Schism and the western world is becoming more and more secular to be interested in major reforms like that. On the other hand Orthodoxy is growing stronger with the re-emergence of religion in Russia and other Orthodox ex-Soviet block countries.

[BigBaribal]

However I believe full union won't happen as it has been too long since the Schism and the western world is becoming more and more secular to be interested in major reforms like that. On the other hand Orthodoxy is growing stronger with the re-emergence of religion in Russia and other Orthodox ex-Soviet block countries.

Like you, I don't think that a full theological union would be a good thing. I very much prefer to see two superficially different strong manifestations of the same concept (but working together friendly, inspite of the differences), than a weakened united concept. By the way, in spite of being catholic, I'm against the eocumenism concept, especially because I think it would only weaken what orthodoxy has had the wisdom to keep strong (exactly what has been weakened in the Catholic faith). There are also so many things I like in orthodoxy, especially the beautiful liturgy, the amazingly powerful songs and its political aspects between state and church.
That's for religion, but on the civilisational point of view I hope both the Western and the Oriental Europe will try to hold together strongly and friendly again.

[anti_septic]

The New Martyr Soldier Evgeny of Chechnya (1984-2002)
Canonized on August 20th the day of his martyrdom




What happened to him was horrible but let's face it it wouldn't have happened to him if Russia hadn't oppressed the Chechens for centuries, invaded them, deported the whole nation to the Gulag, invaded them again and killed thousands of Chechen civilians.

[Johan M]

The New Martyr Soldier Evgeny of Chechnya (1984-2002)
Canonized on August 20th the day of his martyrdom




What happened to him was horrible but let's face it it wouldn't have happened to him if Russia hadn't oppressed the Chechens for centuries, invaded them, deported the whole nation to the Gulag, invaded them again and killed thousands of Chechen civilians.

one must recognize that this is true.

[n4292936]

I personally hate religion, but I can respect this man for having the strength of his convictions and the courage to see them through.

RIP. :(

[sierraone]

However I believe full union won't happen as it has been too long since the Schism and the western world is becoming more and more secular to be interested in major reforms like that. On the other hand Orthodoxy is growing stronger with the re-emergence of religion in Russia and other Orthodox ex-Soviet block countries.

Like you, I don't think that a full theological union would be a good thing. I very much prefer to see two superficially different strong manifestations of the same concept, than a weakened united concept. By the way, in spite of being catholic, I'm against the eocumenism concept, especially because I think it would only weaken what orthodoxy has had the wisdom to keep strong (exactly what has been weakened in the Catholic faith). There are also so many things I like in orthodoxy, especially the beautiful liturgy, the amazingly powerful songs and its political aspects between state and church.
That's for religion, but on the civilisational point of view I hope both the Western and the Oriental Europe will try to hold together strongly and friendly again.

Yes the Vatican seems to be more keen on 'liberalisation' than the Orthodox church but then again Catholicism was much stricter in the past. Orthodoxy had never had the Inquisition, burning people at the stake, forgiveness-papers, infallibility of the Pope or life-long term for him. We have never emphasised Purgatory or corporal punishment as a means of redemption. We also don't bash the Bible as much but concentrate on prayer. For instance we only read -if we must- the New Testament not the Old.

[sierraone]

The New Martyr Soldier Evgeny of Chechnya (1984-2002)
Canonized on August 20th the day of his martyrdom




What happened to him was horrible but let's face it it wouldn't have happened to him if Russia hadn't oppressed the Chechens for centuries, invaded them, deported the whole nation to the Gulag, invaded them again and killed thousands of Chechen civilians.

^^^flame bait alert! ^^^

[Johan M]

The New Martyr Soldier Evgeny of Chechnya (1984-2002)
Canonized on August 20th the day of his martyrdom




What happened to him was horrible but let's face it it wouldn't have happened to him if Russia hadn't oppressed the Chechens for centuries, invaded them, deported the whole nation to the Gulag, invaded them again and killed thousands of Chechen civilians.

^^^flame bait alert! ^^^

I don't think so, we also can discuss this in an adult way.

[Abbyy]

If discuss that in adult way we must go much further - to beginning of XIX century. Are you ready for that trip?

[Johan M]

If discuss that in adult way we must go much further - to beginning of XIX century. Are you ready for that trip?

I already made that trip, including Lermontov and further ;)

[Doomsayer]

ive also seen the video its disgusting

RIP

long live the russians
its not him on that video that was on the internet

oh I'm sorry ... :oops:

[sierraone]

The New Martyr Soldier Evgeny of Chechnya (1984-2002)
Canonized on August 20th the day of his martyrdom




What happened to him was horrible but let's face it it wouldn't have happened to him if Russia hadn't oppressed the Chechens for centuries, invaded them, deported the whole nation to the Gulag, invaded them again and killed thousands of Chechen civilians.

^^^flame bait alert! ^^^

I don't think so, we also can discuss this in an adult way.

well this is a thread for Evgeny Rodionov for one thing and secondly saying 'invaded them again and killed thousands of Chechen civilians' is not the adult way, it is flaming.

[Drako]

RIP. Truly he was strong in faith. But unlike all others here I won't say "kill them" but I hope that war will end soon so no more lifes will have to be wasted. On both sides.

[Jaguar]

RIP. Truly he was strong in faith. But unlike all others here I won't say "kill them" but I hope that war will end soon so no more lifes will have to be wasted. On both sides.

Well brutalitty leads to brutallity in a endless vicious circle. Unfortunatelly, signs of peace seems to be very far in the future :( .

[Metak]

RIP

[Abbyy]

If discuss that in adult way we must go much further - to beginning of XIX century. Are you ready for that trip?

I already made that trip, including Lermontov and further ;)


Wanna me to scan for ya citations from official complains filled by Russian settlers in regions bordering with territories of Chechen tribes about robbering, killings, rapes, kidnappings, brutality cases performed by Chechens against them back to XIX century (before Caucasian wars started)?

[sierraone]

NO! can we end this thread here please?

[RomanS]

Agreed

[Johan M]

maybe we can continue the discussion in an apart thread at "political discussions and rants"?

[Coop]

One can buy CDs with videos of such executions of Russian troops in Chechnya "on street" in a number of Arab countries.

Usually, they title them "Battle for Baghdad Airport" or something of that kind.

The "show" on such CDs consist largely of excerpts from different CNN-, NBC-, BBC- etc. video-reports, with executions of Russian troops in between...

The sickest thing I've ever seen in my life... (and I've seen some things).

Rest in peace, Evgeny.

[big80a2]

RIP,
Blessed is his familly!!

[Raistlin]

I already made that trip, including Lermontov and further ;)
Yay, let's play the "what if" game. I've heard some europeans are very good in it. Are we ready to blame Big Bang yet?

[bluffcove]

My Dad is a cannon and has been canonized, but he isnt a saint as far as I know, in that I dont see him doing much miraculous

[Johnny bazooka]

My Dad is a cannon and has been canonized, but he isnt a saint as far as I know, in that I dont see him doing much miraculous

?????

[-Julik- 4.GdKp]

Horrible!
RIP Brother!
i have seen about him in 'Mirotvorci'!Horrible.All this things in name of Allah.

From 1991 to 1998 there were between 2000 and 3000 little russian chlidren kidnaped by chechen gangsters.If you see one of the gangster videos,you forget about Mirotvorci!If the parents dont pay,or to late,only some words-fingers,ears,hear,etc...horrible!
This chechen bastards derve to be all killed by the same way!

[bluffcove]

My dad has been accorded sacrosant or authoritative staniding within the Church of England, and is not a saint, thus, as he has done nothing miraculous you neednt die to become a canon.......... Oh never mind I guess as the only protestant in here Ive got a barrage of incoming papist canonisation references headed in.

Sorry will duck out slowly.

see yous all.

RUNS VERY FAST :lol:

[vi]

my heart goes out to evgeny, and his family, RIP dear friend, hero :|
and same to all those others that died in the conflict

[RAJPUT22]

HAts off to this guy may god bless his soul another incident which shoes that chechens are scums and to think that the Eu is trying to help them especially FRENCh media who are paranoid about russia and PUTIn.HAd kind of pity for the chechens but after the beslan siege i still wonder why the hell russians have not exterminate em.

[Ordie]

Tragic.

So young.

I sincerely hope his memory gives hope and peace to those who lost loved ones in this terrible conflict.

[GREEK71AIRBORNE]

May he Rest in Peace and God help his family....
May he is never forgoten!
Long live Orthodoxy and Christianity! Long live Russia! Crash those Tsetsen Terrorist animals!

[phoebus]

May he rest in peace. His loss will be remembered along with his act of bravery in defending the faith.

We will not forget.

"ΠΑΝΤΕΣ ΑΥΤΟΠΡΟΑΙΡΕΤΩΣ ΑΠΟΘΑΝΟΥΜΕΝ" (: We shall willingly die)
Constantine IA Paleologos
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[Echo300]

Rest in Peace

[shatro]

May eternal glory shine upon you my Russian brother.
We shall never forget.

[bart2000]

Act of honor and faith very rare in our times and culture. I respect russian nation for this feature.

[KingoftheHill]

Rest in peace brother...

[Schizo]

I know it's an old thread, but I'd like to pay my respect to this young man. truly a hero.

RIP.

[ex-cop]

RIP brother

[Hilbert]

I know it's an old thread, but I'd like to pay my respect to this young man. truly a hero.

RIP.

X2
Rest In Peace, soldier.

[Zmey]

Rip. Вечная Память