US soldier wearing MultiCam in Iraq (?)

[Lt.Havoc]

Well, found this pic and I´m not sure if its real, but it shows a US Soldier (he wears a US flag) in Iraq, at least it seems so.


Could be some speical forces guy, no idea. Infos are welcome.

[AlexNenadic]

D...D...D...Delta!!!

Sorry, just had to.

[SGT_B]

those cams he is wearing are blackwater gear brand..

[bennyboy]

out of curiosity, is that a 1911 under his right shoulder? the grip looks kinda brown.

[UOE]

:|wearing multicam american soldier :| ???

it´s a promotional picture of Crye Precision

[Sierra_Tango69]

Special Forces Alright, Can't tell you what unit it is ;)

[Lt.Havoc]

:|wearing multicam american soldier :| ???

it´s a promotional picture of Crye Precision

Really, what tells you that? Well, I would guess that Special forces would maybe get it, that was the big question anways, if they would adopt the ACU as well or go MultiCam or just stay wtih Woodland.

[Xlimit]

I think multicam is much more effective. It's having more green in it and still blends in better than ACU in a desert enviroment. (sorry for the grammar.)

[SGT_B]

heres another pic of that uniform from the blackwatergear.com site..

[Lt.Havoc]

Yeah, but there where tons of discussions about that topic already. I think that too, that MultiCam is better, but yeah, tell that the Pentagon. They never though on the easy way to make a reveisible uniform, or better, that idea was never putz into production, even if its psossible at all.

Anyway, we would all end up in the same flame war then all the time about the camo topic.

And Blackwarter is that Merc company, these "contractors", or "Hierd Guins"? Man, is that scary, call themselfs "Security Advisers" but are just Mercs.

[UOE]

Look the watermark.

If he wear a US Flag it´s doesnt mean that he is a Soldier, only he looks like a soldier like the terrain looks like Iraq.

The uniform it´s a combat uniform made by Crye Precision, not Blackwater, Blackwater only made some pouchs in Multicam pattern for M.O.L.L.E. vests, not uniforms. ;)

http://www.cryeprecision.com/product1.asp?p=CS1

http://www.cryeprecision.com/product1.asp?P=CP1

[CANsoldier]

Looks like a very affactive cammo.

[Macs.]

And Blackwarter is that Merc company, these "contractors", or "Hierd Guins"? Man, is that scary, call themselfs "Security Advisers" but are just Mercs.

SGT_B was talking about Blackwater Gear -> http://www.blackwatergear.com/

Blackwater is by definition no Mercenary-Company. Theire actions have nothing to do with the Mercenary-Buisness.

[SGT_B]

SGT_B was talking about Blackwater Gear -> http://www.blackwatergear.com/

Blackwater is by definition no Mercenary-Company. Theire actions have nothing to do with the Mercenary-Buisness.

I don't know why people say that stuff..they were soldiers just like I am..i see and talk to contractors on a daily basis, they buy up all the gear at the px :bash:, lol...and we work with and live next to an aegis compound..

[Ezekiel25:17]

It's from the Crye website. The Crye watermark is at the bottom right.

[Bert]

I don't know why people say that stuff..they were soldiers just like I am..i see and talk to contractors on a daily basis, they buy up all the gear at the px :bash:, lol...and we work with and live next to an aegis compound..
By UN convention definitions, they're not mercenaries, and cannot be branded so by any court. The media doesn't seem to care, though.

[{Minuteman}]

Who's to say it's not a real picture that Crye posted later as a consumer testimonial?

[ZoneOne]

It's from the Crye website. The Crye watermark is at the bottom right.

Bottom left bud

[GilbertDK]

fancy expensive gear and weaponry.. and a pair of worn-out, white sneakers :-D

[ShakesFIST]

fancy expensive gear and weaponry.. and a pair of worn-out, white sneakers :-D

The difference between "worn-out" and "Broken in" is all personal preference. Brand new doesnt mean comfortable.

[Blarney]

those cams he is wearing are blackwater gear brand..

www.cryeprecision.com The original MC maker, they hold a contract with FCS right now to display their camo at the posterboy shows...

That pic is on Crys website, they gave a few SF teams the pattern and let them have at, all positive reviews I heard.

[Switek]

:|wearing multicam american soldier :| ???

it´s a promotional picture of Crye Precision

You should be right...

[RobertStacked]

Dont know any true bona fide operators/soldiers who use a doctor optic atop the acog. I'd have to say, either contractor or airsofter- judging by the headgear and bodyarmor, perhaps a super-secret army of west virginia or virginia boys man? :roll:

[James]

Dont know any true bona fide operators/soldiers who use a doctor optic atop the acog.

Really? I've met some military guys and others who do in A'Stan. I've used a similar setup myself (with a J-Point site instead of Docter).

[RobertStacked]

Really? I've met some military guys and others who do in A'Stan. I've used a similar setup myself (with a J-Point site instead of Docter).

Are you w/ the Army of West Virginia or the Virginia Boys? p-)

[HoboWithAK]

Even if some of us did know, we probably shouldn't be saying due to OPSEC/PERSEC concerns. I know I don't flaunt all the cool stuff I know on this forum in topics like this pertaining to the question.

[stupify]

www.militarymoron.com

This guys field tested that stuff from Crye.

[Suigenesis]

Even if some of us did know, we probably shouldn't be saying due to OPSEC/PERSEC concerns. I know I don't flaunt all the cool stuff I know on this forum in topics like this pertaining to the question.

Heh, ditto. I stay out of alot of conversations for that same reason. :)

[AFJROTC55]

the guy might just be doin some Field R&D for the company, from the guys i talked to, the Multicam seems to really work well, better than ACU or 3color desert. its crazy hella expensive though.

1*

[Magicmarker]

fancy expensive gear and weaponry.. and a pair of worn-out, white sneakers :-D
Are you sure those are white sneakers? They look like hiking boots to me.


Dont know any true bona fide operators/soldiers who use a doctor optic atop the acog. I'd have to say, either contractor or airsofter- judging by the headgear and bodyarmor, perhaps a super-secret army of west virginia or virginia boys man? :roll:
If he was an airsofter than why would he have M203 shells around him?

[Mountain Man]

Anybody know what carrier the guy is wearing on that Blackwatergear.com site. Looks pretty cool but I can't seem to find it unless I am not seeing it in plain sight.



****Edit: Nevermind, just found it on CYRE's site. D'oh!******

[Deuterium]

Dont know any true bona fide operators/soldiers who use a doctor optic atop the acog. I'd have to say, either contractor or airsofter- judging by the headgear and bodyarmor, perhaps a super-secret army of west virginia or virginia boys man? :roll:

Where's his laptop, digi camera?

[Sephiroth]

Anybody know what carrier the guy is wearing on that Blackwatergear.com site. Looks pretty cool but I can't seem to find it unless I am not seeing it in plain sight.



****Edit: Nevermind, just found it on CYRE's site. D'oh!******
It´s the Armor Chassis made by Crye Precision.

http://www.cryeprecision.com/product1.asp?P=C04

[Lt.Havoc]

Yeah, the Armor is ideed diffrent, that its more turtle shell then a vest. Its a intresting idea and works well, according to Millitary Morons.

[OMON]

does anyone knows the price of that vest?, its looks like this one

[moughoun]

does anyone knows the price of that vest?, its looks like this one


the way I hear it, is that the vest without armour is $3000, which if true, is ridiculous

[OMON]

the way I hear it, is that the vest without armour is $3000, which if true, is ridiculous

yea, thats too expensive

how about the new us army vest with side panels ? doesn anyone has info about that ?

[Beckett]

all of multicams gear so far is really a rip off.

[Lt.Havoc]

Rip off, of what? I know, it costs much, but its a pice of quality gear, I mean, Blackhawk products arent cheap either.

[Beckett]

ya im not taking anything away from the quality of the gear or anything like that but when youre looking to pay atleast 100 bucks for a pair of pants or for a shirt thats nuts.

[Lt.Havoc]

Well, thats cuz´the Uniform was not adpoted yet and put into mass production. As I remeber, the first BDU´s and ACU´s that went into production where realy expensive. A real orginal ACU Shirt and pants are really expensive here in germany, around 49,-? or something like that, I also want to say that a Blackhawk vest or some other Brand name that is good cots also over 100,-$ and more.

[lrrps]

I think multicam is much more effective. It's having more green in it and still blends in better than ACU in a desert environment. (sorry for the grammar.)

Fixed it for you.

[lrrps]

Rip off, of what? I know, it costs much, but its a pice of quality gear, I mean, Blackhawk products arent cheap either.

Yup & they are made in south east Asia.

[Lt.Havoc]

Blackhawk or MultiCam?

[lrrps]

Blackhawk or MultiCam?

I have a Blackhawk vest made in Vietnam.
I heard someone said that they are made in China too.

[eindhoven]

SGT_B was talking about Blackwater Gear -> http://www.blackwatergear.com/

Blackwater is by definition no Mercenary-Company. Theire actions have nothing to do with the Mercenary-Buisness.



Sure. Symantecs my friend?

Mercs are paid and if Im not mistaken so are Blackwater tools. They are hired by the Government and corporations for 'security' work...kind of like the Angola - Rhodesia Govt. hiring mercs.. They are prior service guns for hire that work for a high gloss company that hires prior service guns.

I think that qualifies as mercenary work. They operate without the oversight of UCMJ. I think that qualifies as mercenary because it gives them autonomy.

[TALOS]

Sure. Symantecs my friend?

Mercs are paid and if Im not mistaken so are Blackwater tools. They are hired by the Government and corporations for 'security' work...kind of like the Angola - Rhodesia Govt. hiring mercs.. They are prior service guns for hire that work for a high gloss company that hires prior service guns.

I think that qualifies as mercenary work. They operate without the oversight of UCMJ. I think that qualifies as mercenary because it gives them autonomy.
You can think whatever you want, that doesnt make it accurate. This subject has been beaten to death and fact is that by INTERNATIONAL LAW they do not meet the requirements for mercenaries. The code has been posted in MP.net a ton of times.

"In the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions (GC) of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977 it is stated:

Art 47. Mercenaries

A mercenary is any person who:
(a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;

They dont fight in an armed conflict, they are hired to protect people and supplies,many of which are destined for towns to help the Iraqi citizens. They return fire or fire to protect, they do not actively seek or pursue conflict with the enemy.

(b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;

Again, they do not. They defend selves and property.

(c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;

This point by itself does not fulfill overall criteria


(d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;

Many are nationals i.e american british etc... of a party to the conflict.

(e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and

moot point, (not in argument)

(f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces".

moot again

[Sephiroth]

does anyone knows the price of that vest?, its looks like this one



It´s the same...

[dacanadianbomb]

Sure. Symantecs my friend?

Mercs are paid and if Im not mistaken so are Blackwater tools. They are hired by the Government and corporations for 'security' work...kind of like the Angola - Rhodesia Govt. hiring mercs.. They are prior service guns for hire that work for a high gloss company that hires prior service guns.

I think that qualifies as mercenary work. They operate without the oversight of UCMJ. I think that qualifies as mercenary because it gives them autonomy.


What you think is complete and utter sh1te.Next time you post crap like this, god will kill a little kitten.
Think of the Kitten.


Shut up is too unfriendly

[Alex-L]

Is he wearing hightop tennis shoes? those aint army boots unless they are un-tied.

[innocent_bystander]

You guys are confusing Blackwater (the training facility that also sells some gear and has a contracting division) and Blackhawk (who makes crappy knockoffs of other company's gear in Vietnam).

[ShakesFIST]

You guys are confusing Blackwater (the training facility that also sells some gear and has a contracting division) and Blackhawk (who makes crappy knockoffs of other company's gear in Vietnam).

I missed that part. Who mistook the two?

[NegativeCreep47]

Sure. Symantecs my friend?

Mercs are paid and if Im not mistaken so are Blackwater tools. They are hired by the Government and corporations for 'security' work...kind of like the Angola - Rhodesia Govt. hiring mercs.. They are prior service guns for hire that work for a high gloss company that hires prior service guns.

I think that qualifies as mercenary work. They operate without the oversight of UCMJ. I think that qualifies as mercenary because it gives them autonomy.
:bash:

Mercs are paid to kill people, contractors are paid to keep people alive.

[Seiran]

:bash:

Mercs are paid to kill people, contractors are paid to keep people alive.

By killing other people (If necessary)

Sorry couldn't help myself.

Oh yea...to the kitten comment above.

Please...think of the kittens.

Hope this helps get your point across mate.

[bigjeff]

multicam is workin perfectly in desert terrain.

[Erik2a4]

Sure. Symantecs my friend?

Mercs are paid and if Im not mistaken so are Blackwater tools. They are hired by the Government and corporations for 'security' work...kind of like the Angola - Rhodesia Govt. hiring mercs.. They are prior service guns for hire that work for a high gloss company that hires prior service guns.

I think that qualifies as mercenary work. They operate without the oversight of UCMJ. I think that qualifies as mercenary because it gives them autonomy.

Semantics.

What you think doesn't matter.

That is all.

[Pete031]

secret.....Agent Man.......

[Beowulf]

Yeah, but there where tons of discussions about that topic already. I think that too, that MultiCam is better, but yeah, tell that the Pentagon. They never though on the easy way to make a reveisible uniform, or better, that idea was never putz into production, even if its psossible at all.

Anyway, we would all end up in the same flame war then all the time about the camo topic.

And Blackwarter is that Merc company, these "contractors", or "Hierd Guins"? Man, is that scary, call themselfs "Security Advisers" but are just Mercs.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1554

STFU, ****.

[Beowulf]

Sure. Symantecs my friend?

Mercs are paid and if Im not mistaken so are Blackwater tools. They are hired by the Government and corporations for 'security' work...kind of like the Angola - Rhodesia Govt. hiring mercs.. They are prior service guns for hire that work for a high gloss company that hires prior service guns.

I think that qualifies as mercenary work. They operate without the oversight of UCMJ. I think that qualifies as mercenary because it gives them autonomy.

Hey f*ckin new guy, read the rules before I crush you.

[Beowulf]

Now for the real reason i was checking out this thread...

did someone say multicam?


Thanks, Flagg for the kickass shirt.

[Lt.Havoc]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1554

STFU, ****.

I´m confused, I wasnt in the forum since, how long now? Several months I assum and somone bumps this thread and I get an insult for something that I wrote months ago? Intresting. Well, anyway, can this thread locked or deleted then?

[Beowulf]

I´m confused, I wasnt in the forum since, how long now? Several months I assum and somone bumps this thread and I get an insult for something that I wrote months ago? Intresting. Well, anyway, can this thread locked or deleted then?

Ha!

That's what I get for not looking at the post dates.

I'm certain Argyll or James had the opportunity to educate you as to the ways of the PMC since then. If so then I apologize for double tapping you. If not, then you got a long time coming name calling over the internet, stings i'm sure.

I'll leave this thread open since someone posted a kickass picture of me...oh wait that was me...gosh.

[Macs.]

That picture you posted doesn't work. I think you linked it from a thread in a closed part of the forum.

[Beowulf]

That picture you posted doesn't work. I think you linked it from a thread in a closed part of the forum.

ahhh....yeah I linked it from the mod lounge. This interweb is interesting.

Thank you german guy, is Janine Habeck coming over to my tent yet?

[Lt.Havoc]

Ha!

That's what I get for not looking at the post dates.

I'm certain Argyll or James had the opportunity to educate you as to the ways of the PMC since then. If so then I apologize for double tapping you. If not, then you got a long time coming name calling over the internet, stings i'm sure.

I'll leave this thread open since someone posted a kickass picture of me...oh wait that was me...gosh.
Well, I´m well aware of the defenetion of what PMCs are, there was a post about all this a while ago, there where also how the UN defenies Mercs etc.

As I said, I wasnt here since a long time now and a lot happend sicne then. This thread was posted as the whole ACU thing was relative new, now we know that the 3rd Generation ACU is now being issued and all.

So far I know now, Blackwater got the rights on MultiCam and equit thier men with it, thats also where the photo seems to come from.

[Macs.]

ahhh....yeah I linked it from the mod lounge. This interweb is interesting.

Thank you german guy, is Janine Habeck coming over to my tent yet?

No, your failed knowledge about the interweb will not awarded.

Hard, but fair.

[Beowulf]

ok think i fixed it.

damn you Macs.

[Flagg]

Now for the real reason i was checking out this thread...

did someone say multicam?


Thanks, Flagg for the kickass shirt.

No Worries mate! Stay safe! ;)

[Pete031]

Well, I´m well aware of the defenetion of what PMCs are, there was a post about all this a while ago, there where also how the UN defenies Mercs etc.

As I said, I wasnt here since a long time now and a lot happend sicne then. This thread was posted as the whole ACU thing was relative new, now we know that the 3rd Generation ACU is now being issued and all.

So far I know now, Blackwater got the rights on MultiCam and equit thier men with it, thats also where the photo seems to come from.

The UN is the Largest user of Mercs. They always go for the cheapest bidder, thats why you see 3rd world peacekeepers in third world countries. UN is a farce!!

[burnt by the sun]

Joe rumor in the army has it that the army is adoting a new woodland pattern for the ACUs in jan 07. any word on that?

[Lt.Havoc]

Well, all I heard is, that the Spcial Forces wants to adopt SpecCAM as a new uniform and that the Marines get a new 3rd generation MARPAT uniform, but a new ACU in a woodland pattern?

I mean, the ACU is meant to be used for all terrians, so if you make them woodland, you would need a second uniform again for deserts and all any maybe a third for urban, expect the fact they made the ACU a revisible uniform, so you have one side with a woodland and another with a desert pattern, just like the REVCAM BDU had.

I really think that the rumor is about the Special Forces uniform.

[jagermeister]

i wouldnt hold my breath on the marines or army changing uniforms.

[Lt.Havoc]

Well, thats the thing with rumors: they are rumors, nothing is offical, but much talking. I just know that the Marines develope another uniform or at least a pattern for thier current ones and that the special forces are very fond with the specCAM pattern, if its all ture, I dont know.

The only ones who know what is going on, are the guys in te pentagon and these at Natick.

[Beowulf]

Joe rumor in the army has it that the army is adoting a new woodland pattern for the ACUs in jan 07. any word on that?

I haven't heard that, it would kind of defeat the idea of the ACU being an all terrain camo, which IMO it isn't. I think that is simply a way to buy one uniform instead of two or three.

[kaiser]

I get this from US Air Force Link...
I am sure it is not from Iraq, current test for Multicam equipment...

The orginal discription is as below :
Army praises AFMC units for future battlefield improvements

Army Spc. Chad Tobin (left) and Staff Sgt. Stephan Simmins participate in an On-The-Move training exercise in June at Fort Dix, N. J. The exercise featured Air Force technology applied to support the Army?s Future Force Warrior concept, including a goggle-mounted display, a hand-held mouse that activates push-to-talk personal computer voice command software, a backpack personal computer and power system, and rifle-mounted laser range finder. (Courtesy photo/David Darkow)

For which I can reconize :
The left one with woodland BDU is wearing Crye Precision Armor Chassis, with the standard SAPI version, with 3 Eagle MLCS M4 machine pouched maybe..., Crye Precision MICH Helmet cover and a backpack(not reconizable for me) and a new electronic system discript as above.
The right one with whole set of Crye Precision Conbat Dress and others are just same as the left one.

[Beowulf]

hmmm interesting, I wonder if the Army is looking at multicam.

It doesn't affect me too much since I'm not wearing a uniform these days.

[Lt.Havoc]

As far as I know, they where looking into MultiCam, but the idea was dropped, cuz´ Crye didnt wanted to make MultiCam pattern Interceptro Covers and insited that the Army should buy thier Armor Plate carrier. The Army didnt liked the idea to replace the Intercptor at all (even if they recently gave out a contest to replace the intzerceptor), so they made thier own universial pattern, eg. the ACU.

Well, the Air Force is actually getting thier own camo, but I doubt Para Rescue and Pathfinders will get them. So far I know, they still show MultiCam in videos and all, cuz´ they still have them in stock, but it will not get issued. The plan is, to replace all types of BDUs with ACUs in 2009.

[Nevins]

sorry to bring up a older thread, i didn't want to start a new one.
i came across this pic a while a ago
looks like 3 guys wearing Multicam in Iraq with two Marine Snipers.

*RMM*
;)

[ShakesFIST]

^^ That picture was actually from another multicam thread that someone else started.

[Nevins]

damn..got a link?
I found it over at bhd93.com

nvm found it..i thought i had something good :-|

[KramerIDF]

In the first pic, he's wearing tennis shoes. Unless there is a very good explanation, I doubt Soldiers wear tennis shoes while on patrol/combat in Iraq.

[Argyll]

In the first pic, he's wearing tennis shoes. Unless there is a very good explanation, I doubt Soldiers wear tennis shoes while on patrol/combat in Iraq.


You don't know what shoes are worn, they wear what's practical,and lightweight go fasters on takedowns are common.

[jimmyboots]

Hey those Marines are wearing DBT FAPC's. They have good taste, I loved mine. woot

[pascalywood]

Omfg D3lt4 !!!!1!

[KramerIDF]

You don't know what shoes are worn, they wear what's practical,and lightweight go fasters on takedowns are common.

And you do?

[flanker7]

And you do?

I guess he does, since he's been down there for so long

[akd]

Why did the original photo receive a rather lame edit to remove the watermark?

[KramerIDF]

Touché, wear whatever tennis shoes you want, I'll be sticking with a good ol' boot.

[8thidpathfinderpower]

Here is a pic I downloaded from the US Army web site a while ago. this is the landwarrior demo unit at Ft Benning. They are testing multicam, and have been for some time.

[Argyll]

And you do?


Probably more than you do, I had a former SEAL, and 3 ex Army SF in my previous team,and yes they were under me, as I was their TL, all great mates plus I have trained with some former Hereford mates, and they all pass on good information, and combat stories....

Boots are fine, but Lightweight cross trainers offer speed and mobility, many snatch squads I participated in the IS role in Northern Ireland in the 80's , I wore regular trainers rather than boots.....
I have several pairs of boots I use on Ops, I have ultralight desert GSG9 boots, great for really hot days,oakleys are fine, but give me bad trenchfoot,as they don't allow my feet to breathe, I also have Merrell's and Saloman Mid's, perfect for this time of the year where there's a lot of dampness around.

[Birger]

Here is a pic (...)

I'm sorry, but LOL, look at his face rofl