DPM

[fcstech]

Personally I've always been a fan of British DPM. Its just the classic when it comes to cam. I was hoping people here could post their pics of DPM.

thanks

[SAS Britain]

US DPM can be improved heavily, British and Russian is the best the Russians have over 10 varieties of great looking DPM. I would post pics but don't have a digital camera. My uniform is really nice, got all my RAF inignia. we normally don't wear "combats." British DPM Rules.

[squeak]

Me taken a while back. The jacket is a British Arctic Smock, the hat is a US woodland Hot Weather hat.

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgAMA3EX540s!!eWW07vb9Wzw6xvGWKuD62G8OMgav3iCdO9*p149SDNF70ke4kCiA*DVpYCsJ6uMKd5MbeJhFHrfj2a!*zggIhukzzTORLQiQdq0wGGmA/articsmock.jpg

[fcstech]

hey if you have any Russian DPM pics that would be cool.

[SAS Britain]

Some Russian DPM. There about 15 completely different variations. I only have Images of 10.

http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-wear_colours.htm

[fcstech]

actually that look that like British DPM. Maybe this type of question has been posted before... but any DMp pictures would be cool or any British pics from the 80's.

[Batman]

lots of pictures here

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/

[ShadowNeo]

I think pics from around the 80's you may see alot of Soldiers wearing DPM Smocks but with OG Trousers (think these are termed as British Lightweights?) as seemed to be the style back then.

[slobo]

DPM is probably my favorite cam. Soory no digital to upload, but the collection's currently looking like this:

United Kingdom:
--P68 set
--P94 set
--S'95 set
--Current issue flak vest
--S'95 goretexset
--Arctic Falklands Parka

Netherlands:
--BDUs
--Goretex set

Russia
--Bekas cam set

Truly awesome and classic stuff.

[crazystriker]

I was wondering if u guys know any good places in the US i can get a set of DPMs. planning to start a camo collection. once i get a set, i'll post some pics up :lol: thanks

[DeltaWhisky58]

I think pics from around the 80's you may see alot of Soldiers wearing DPM Smocks but with OG Trousers (think these are termed as British Lightweights?) as seemed to be the style back then.

The OG trousers were from the 1960 pattern combat suit, i.e. the one worn until the introduction of DPM Ca. 1970. They survived well beyond the introduction of DPM and were still being worn - especially by Para/RM units - as late as the Falklands campaign in 1982 and beyond.

Lightweights were a much lighter pattern of trousers made of a horrible synthetic material in a lighter/brighter green colour. Lightweights were un-lined and were intended for barrack/working use, but not on operations, although they were popular for warn-weather use in Ulster. Lightweights were famed for their lack of resitance to cigarette ash, they melted at the slightest contact! I'd hate to have woron them in N.I. where there were lots of nasty burning things being thrown about. ;)

[slobo]

P94 (at least the smock) I believe is still available in new unissued condition from www.sportsmansguide.com. I think they have current issue assault boots as well.

Most of my other stuff I either ordered from the UK, or purchased when over there a few times.

Try www.springfields.co.uk and www.silvermans.co.uk
(I think those are correct -- if not, google on the names).

Be prepared to pay a lot for shipping between the UK and the US, but it very often arrives within 3-4 days.

[Ipkiss]

I'm interested in all the british DPM gear that's available. So vests, holsters etc. Seems to be rare, except for Arktis ofcourse.
For russian clothes (straight from factory) www.rusmilitary.com
I have their m22 vest..nice stuff and all original. :D

[Brozozo]

You Brits ought to get digitals soon.

[Hydro]

You Brits ought to get digitals soon.

Probably being tested in some deep dark place of the MoD, but as far as I know, DPM ain't broke, so we're not fixing it.

[DeltaWhisky58]

You Brits ought to get digitals soon.

Why on earth would we want to do that. Our two DPM patterns, i.e. Temperate/Desert continue to be successful, and highly copied worldwide.

As Hydroquip said - If it ain't broke, why fix it.

[Brozozo]

Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM... p-)

[DeltaWhisky58]

Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM... p-)

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.

British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.

[Brozozo]

Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM... p-)

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.

British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.

[DTTO]

You Brits ought to get digitals soon.

And you base this comment on what intel?

Digital patterns are not better, per se, than regular patterns.
A good example of a "new", non-digital pattern that is proving to be highy effective in a multitude of surroundings is the crye multicam.

DPM works, like it or not. Therefore why would the countries that use it replace it?

S.

[Brozozo]

You Brits ought to get digitals soon.

And you base this comment on what intel?

Digital patterns are not better, per se, than regular patterns.
A good example of a "new", non-digital pattern that is proving to be highy effective in a multitude of surroundings is the crye multicam.

DPM works, like it or not. Therefore why would the countries that use it replace it?

S.

Let me rephrase it just for you then..."You Brits should get digitals soon"

That's what I meant...ought to= should

[DeltaWhisky58]

Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM... p-)

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.

British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.

Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.

Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?

I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.

[DTTO]

But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.

I understand what you mean to say... I just don't know if your sure what your saying ;) j/k.

S.

[Brozozo]

Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM... p-)

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.

British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.

Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.

Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?

I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.
Have I used digital pattersn? See my avatar, that's me.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM... p-)

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.

British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.

Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.

Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?

I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.
Have I used digital pattersn? See my avatar, that's me.

I'm sorry - an avatar doesn't prove anything. You haven't justified a single thing you have said...............are you afraid of something? This forum does after all have an airsofters section - nothing to be ashamed of.........

Come on - explain your reasoning or give up.

[Brozozo]

Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM... p-)

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.

British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.

Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.

Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?

I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.
Have I used digital pattersn? See my avatar, that's me.

I'm sorry - an avatar doesn't prove anything. You haven't justified a single thing you have said...............are you afraid of something? This forum does after all have an airsofters section - nothing to be ashamed of.........

Come on - explain your reasoning or give up.I'm in the CF. There is no reason to become too defensive. I never said DPM is an ineffective pattern. The only point I was trying to make is that digital patterns are becoming increasingly popular and the British army will likely adopt a digital pattern itself sometime in the future since that's where the field of camouflage and concealment seems to be going. I do stand by my statement that digital patterns are generally better than conventional patterns, after all, armies are spending money researching this and are finding that digitals do work, that's why the patterns are being adopted. No reason to get your panties in a knot over this...

[Ratamacue]

I don't think that digital patterns in specific are necessarily better, but dot patterns as a whole (CADPAT, MARPAT, Flecktarn, etc.). Using pixels instead of dots just makes it easier to randomize and produce, but the concept is the same as other dot patterns.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM... p-)

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.

British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.

Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.

Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?

I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.
Have I used digital pattersn? See my avatar, that's me.

I'm sorry - an avatar doesn't prove anything. You haven't justified a single thing you have said...............are you afraid of something? This forum does after all have an airsofters section - nothing to be ashamed of.........

Come on - explain your reasoning or give up.I'm in the CF. There is no reason to become too defensive. I never said DPM is an ineffective pattern. The only point I was trying to make is that digital patterns are becoming increasingly popular and the British army will likely adopt a digital pattern itself sometime in the future since that's where the field of camouflage and concealment seems to be going. I do stand by my statement that digital patterns are generally better than conventional patterns, after all, armies are spending money researching this and are finding that digitals do work, that's why the patterns are being adopted. No reason to get your panties in a knot over this...

If you had backed up your original contentions with some hard fact instead of becoming increasingly obtuse there would have been no need for this long and protracted diversion of the original thread.

OK, so we've got your guys, the USMC and e few other experimentals on the go, but that doesn't mean the world and it's uncle will follow. I have no reason to doubt that research continues in the UK, but that does not mean that adoption of a digital replacement for DPM is imminent. The latest incarnation of DPM, i.e. Combat Soldier 2000 is still not fully implemented, and bearing in mind our current operational commitments, i.e. Iraq, Sierra Leone, The Balkans, The Falklands, Northern Ireland etc., etc., I'd say that our guys might just have more important things on their hands.

I'd still like to know however, on what you base you theory other than what you term popularity. I doubt this factor is really paramount in defence planning.

After all, armies are spending money researching this and are finding that digitals do work, that's why the patterns are being adopted.

Other than the USA and Canada, what other major nations have adopted digital cammo gear...............not many. Where, when, by whome outside of USA/Canada...........evidence?

I don't think that digital patterns in specific are necessarily better, but dot patterns as a whole (CADPAT, MARPAT, Flecktarn, etc.). Using pixels instead of dots just makes it easier to randomize and produce, but the concept is the same as other dot patterns.

I agree with what Ratamacue says here, but on the whole, these dot pattern cammos are more terrain-specific, for example German Flecktarn is great in typical German terrain, which is exactly where it is designed to work, but take British DPM - it is designed to work almost everywhere except arrid/desert regions for which we have a specific pattern. The standard Teperate DPM has been used to great effect worldwide, which is exactly why it is one of the most copied patterns in use worldwide.

[EsoognomEhT]

But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.


get ****ed !

[Brozozo]

I never did say that a digital replacement is imminent. But I'll put money on the fact that in the future the British army will be wearing a digital pattern.

There are other countries that are trialling or recently adopted digital patterns. For example, Norway, Italy and Jordan(might have been Kuwait, not sure). I'm sure many others have digital patterns in development.

I'm not expecting a digital revolution to happen overnight. After all, the SS were wearing camouflage patterns in the 1940's but the US didn't adopt one until the 1970's. Same with the CF, we were wearing ODs well into the 1990's. Nowadays, there are very few armies that still use a solid colour for their combat uniforms.

Again, I don't expect a total conversion to happen within the next 10-20 years but larger and more modern armies (such as yours) will likely be adopting digital patterns sooner than later. Again, I'm not establishing a time table for this to happen.

Is digital the way of the future, I definitely think so. It may be hard to agree now since it is a new and rare concept but so were many other military innovations when they first emerged.

[Ratamacue]

I don't think that digital patterns in specific are necessarily better, but dot patterns as a whole (CADPAT, MARPAT, Flecktarn, etc.). Using pixels instead of dots just makes it easier to randomize and produce, but the concept is the same as other dot patterns.
I agree with what Ratamacue says here, but on the whole, these dot pattern cammos are more terrain-specific, for example German Flecktarn is great in typical German terrain, which is exactly where it is designed to work, but take British DPM - it is designed to work almost everywhere except arrid/desert regions for which we have a specific pattern. The standard Teperate DPM has been used to great effect worldwide, which is exactly why it is one of the most copied patterns in use worldwide.
I wouldn't say that MARPAT or CADPAT are very terrain-specific though. The woodland MARPAT colors are ones that fit well into pretty much any woodland area around the world, and even CADPAT, whose colors are more fitting to the more bright-green colors prominant in Canadian forests, works well in most woodland settings.

Just my $0.02USD though.

[DeltaWhisky58]

I don't think that digital patterns in specific are necessarily better, but dot patterns as a whole (CADPAT, MARPAT, Flecktarn, etc.). Using pixels instead of dots just makes it easier to randomize and produce, but the concept is the same as other dot patterns.
I agree with what Ratamacue says here, but on the whole, these dot pattern cammos are more terrain-specific, for example German Flecktarn is great in typical German terrain, which is exactly where it is designed to work, but take British DPM - it is designed to work almost everywhere except arrid/desert regions for which we have a specific pattern. The standard Teperate DPM has been used to great effect worldwide, which is exactly why it is one of the most copied patterns in use worldwide.
I wouldn't say that MARPAT or CADPAT are very terrain-specific though. The woodland MARPAT colors are ones that fit well into pretty much any woodland area around the world, and even CADPAT, whose colors are more fitting to the more bright-green colors prominant in Canadian forests, works well in most woodland settings.

Just my $0.02USD though.

Exactly!

DPM is designed to, and works almost anywhere except desert regions, hence Desert DPM. That is exactly the point I made when I referred to the digital/dot-type cammos being terrain specific, they are designed for these areas, whereas DPM is not.

In recent years, DPM has been used in Iraq, Afghanistan, The Ivory coast, Seirra Leone, The Falklands, Belize, Brunei, Northern Ireland, Canada, The Balkans, Norway and a helluva a lot of other places as well..............a fair slice of the world eh?.................any reports of it not being effective from Tropical Rainforest to Tundra to Scottish Moorland?

But there again, I wouldn't put it past the MoD to waste millions of pounds of tax payers money on a cammo pattern that is not only less effective, but looks bloody silly to boot!

[EsoognomEhT]

a cammo pattern that is not only less effective, but looks bloody silly to boot!


My thoughts exactly :]

[oldsoak]

Digital patterns evolved simply because of the way computers store and print images and their usage in modern textile printing. Programs that were devised to determine ideal mixes of colours for camouflage simply produced them in pixillated form which was then printed onto fabric. You could pixillate DPM and end up with a digital version of DPM. Would it be any better ? Probably not, except in manufacturing terms. If one were to "smooth" out the lines of modern digital patterns, you'd end up with something looking very much like the "traditional" patterns of flecktarn, dpm, woodland etc.

[pretorian669]

DPM or Digital??? Hmmmm... Why not Digital DPM? ;)

http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/Hyperstealth_ka2-night-sf.jpg


http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=696

http://www.hyperstealth.com/JSF.jpg

http://www.hyperstealth.com/jsf.htm

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=665

[EsoognomEhT]

yuck yuck yuck

Looks like it was made on a gameboy

[DeltaWhisky58]

Sorry chaps - I hopeI never see The British Army wearing something looking as ridiculous as that.

You will not convince me, I can't see that there is any reason for these comic book cammo patterns other than simplicity of printing.

[Ratamacue]

I don't think that digital patterns in specific are necessarily better, but dot patterns as a whole (CADPAT, MARPAT, Flecktarn, etc.). Using pixels instead of dots just makes it easier to randomize and produce, but the concept is the same as other dot patterns.
I agree with what Ratamacue says here, but on the whole, these dot pattern cammos are more terrain-specific, for example German Flecktarn is great in typical German terrain, which is exactly where it is designed to work, but take British DPM - it is designed to work almost everywhere except arrid/desert regions for which we have a specific pattern. The standard Teperate DPM has been used to great effect worldwide, which is exactly why it is one of the most copied patterns in use worldwide.
I wouldn't say that MARPAT or CADPAT are very terrain-specific though. The woodland MARPAT colors are ones that fit well into pretty much any woodland area around the world, and even CADPAT, whose colors are more fitting to the more bright-green colors prominant in Canadian forests, works well in most woodland settings.

Just my $0.02USD though.
Exactly!

DPM is designed to, and works almost anywhere except desert regions, hence Desert DPM. That is exactly the point I made when I referred to the digital/dot-type cammos being terrain specific, they are designed for these areas, whereas DPM is not.
You do realize that the USMC has a desert MARPAT pattern and the CF has an arid CADPAT pattern, right?

[DeltaWhisky58]

Well, It'd be damned difficult to miss the desert Marpat on this forum or just about any news film over the past x months would it?

[EsoognomEhT]

Indeed, I really dont understand why so many people are so excited about it..

[Ratamacue]

Well, It'd be damned difficult to miss the desert Marpat on this forum or just about any news film over the past x months would it?
Yeah, so how do you figure that MARPAT is any more terrain-specific than DPM is?

I'm not saying that DPM is an ineffective pattern or that the UK should adopt a digital pattern. That's not my point at all. I'm just wondering how you figure that digital patterns are, by nature, more terrain-specific.

[slobo]

hey if you have any Russian DPM pics that would be cool.
I'd be interested in seeing some photos of Russian DPM in the field (no airsofters please -- but the real deal).

[pretorian669]

hey if you have any Russian DPM pics that would be cool.
I'd be interested in seeing some photos of Russian DPM in the field (no airsofters please -- but the real deal).
From RussianArms.com:
http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery31/photo%20325.jpg


http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery31/photo%20317.jpg


http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery31/photo%20327.jpg


http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery31/photo%20322.jpg


http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery31/photo%20323.jpg


http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery31/photo%20328.jpg