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ed316
05-16-2006, 01:51 PM
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Europeans May Give Iran A Reactor
VIENNA, Austria, May 16, 2006 (AP) Key European nations are considering offering Iran a light-water nuclear reactor as part of incentives meant to persuade Tehran to give up its uranium enrichment program, a senior diplomat said Tuesday.

But a U.S. official said Washington would likely oppose the plan.

A senior diplomat familiar with international attempts to dissuade Iran from enrichment said the tentative plans still were being discussed among France, Britain and Germany as part of a possible package to be presented Friday to senior representatives of the five permanent U.N. Security Council members. The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity because he was divulging confidential information.

In Britain, officials confirmed the offer was among options to be discussed at the London talks but said suggestions that it had been decided on as part of the incentives were premature.

"Clearly we are working out the details and that will be a matter for the talks in London," a British Foreign Office spokesman said on condition of anonymity, in line with government policy.

A light-water reactor is considered less likely to be misused for nuclear proliferation than the heavy water facility Iran is currently building at the central city of Arak, which — once completed — will produce plutonium waste.

Still, light-water reactors are also not proliferation-proof because they use enriched uranium as fuel. While uranium enriched to low levels cannot be used in a weapons programs, it can be processed relatively easily to high "weapons-grade" material, for use as the fissile core of nuclear warheads.

Iran recently managed to produce its first batch of low-enriched uranium. Concerns were heightened last week by revelations that inspectors of the International Atomic Energy Agency had found traces of uranium enriched to levels higher than used for fuel — although not yet weapons-grade — at a former research facility linked to the Iranian military.

Fears that Iran's enrichment program could be misused for weapons are at the center of international attempts to strip Tehran of ambitions to enrich uranium domestically. Any European offer of one or more light-water reactors would have to be conditional on Iran rejecting its enrichment plans and accepting foreign deliveries of low-enriched uranium for fuel — something it has hitherto steadfastly rejected.

Washington has been at the forefront of moves to pressure Iran to give up domestic enrichment and has in recent months swung behind a proposal from Moscow to provide Tehran with fuel-grade uranium produced in Russia instead.

In an initial reaction, a U.S. official told The Associated Press that any plan to offer the Iranians a light-water reactor "would be met with a real sense of skepticism" by the Americans. Even in the unlikely event that the Iranians gave up plans of domestic enrichment in return, such a facility could help them acquire the technology to develop a full-fledged nuclear program with the potential for misuse, he said.

"If Iran is bent on having a nuclear weapons program, we ought not to be helping with that," said the official, echoing U.S. assertions that Iran's activities were a cover for developing the atomic bomb.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

In a sign of persisting differences with the United States, Russia's foreign minister said Beijing and Moscow will not vote for the use of force in resolving the nuclear dispute.

After two days of talks with his Chinese counterpart, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow and Beijing hold identical positions on the nuclear programs by Iran and North Korea: Both disputes require diplomacy, not force.

In an outreach to Tehran, Lavrov also said that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will attend a summit meeting next month in Shanghai of leaders from Russia, China and four Central Asian nations.

"We cannot isolate Iran or exert pressure on it. Far from resolving this issue of proliferation, it will make it more urgent," Lavrov told reporters. "Russia and China will not vote for the use of force in resolving this issue."

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao, at a separate briefing, also urged more energetic efforts to restart negotiations. "We believe that at the current stage relevant parties should make active gestures to launch a new round of diplomacy," Liu said.


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Ea$y-8
05-16-2006, 02:02 PM
Just who's side is Europe on?

Bert
05-16-2006, 02:09 PM
Just who's side is Europe on?
Whatever side is soft and squishy enough to avoid getting hit when the real confrontations start.

JoaMei
05-16-2006, 02:10 PM
Just who's side is Europe on?

Do your Homework or go masturbating kid.

Greek soldier
05-16-2006, 02:10 PM
So what? USA, through the AMF Atomics Corp., gave nuclear reactor to Shah.

moughoun
05-16-2006, 02:11 PM
Just who's side is Europe on?
our own.........

ed316
05-16-2006, 02:14 PM
Easy 8, you have much to learn. Read into it more and not just the bold print.

Freibier
05-16-2006, 02:24 PM
our own.........
quoted for truth

Asheren
05-16-2006, 02:54 PM
Hmm last time i checked we were generaly on your side.

tsuri
05-16-2006, 03:09 PM
Iran refused this before, they probably will again.

They can of course break the NPT with virtually any reactor, what we need is brains in the iranian leadership to understand that international law stands above the desire to aqquire nuclear weapons

CPLHUNTER
05-16-2006, 03:15 PM
Just who's side is Europe on?

Good question...that's like saying to your enemy:

Here's a gun so you can go hunting for food to feed your family but please don't shoot at us...

Javehn
05-16-2006, 03:18 PM
Iran refused this before, they probably will again.

They can of course break the NPT with virtually any reactor, what we need is brains in the iranian leadership to understand that international law stands above the desire to aqquire nuclear weapons

But what you have de facto is fanatic president ...They don't need no reactor "for energy purpoce" , period , they have enough oil for that .
Europe is overgoing now "cycle of appeasement" (C) ..Oh europe , what will become of you .

annihilation
05-16-2006, 03:19 PM
Will they take this offer?

He219
05-16-2006, 03:26 PM
^ Will be interesting to find out.

So what? USA, through the AMF Atomics Corp., gave nuclear reactor to Shah.
A a five-megawatt trigger research reactor under the Eisenhower Atoms for Peace Program.

This (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/bushehr-intro.htm) is the European contribution.


Regardless, the point is to prevent Iran from building a bomb, not a nuclear power plant.

Mastermind
05-16-2006, 03:42 PM
Must...not...make......comment....on ...E.U.....or .....France...Must...control....myself....

caridon
05-16-2006, 03:44 PM
Good question...that's like saying to your enemy:

Here's a gun so you can go hunting for food to feed your family but please don't shoot at us...

Try to read up on the facts before opening your mouth.
The whole point is that the type of reactor the EU are offering to iran makes it much harder to use the waste for making bombs.

/C

Mcbain321
05-16-2006, 07:43 PM
Try to read up on the facts before opening your mouth.
The whole point is that the type of reactor the EU are offering to iran makes it much harder to use the waste for making bombs.

/C

harder as in its possible to use them for war?

usmajunk
05-16-2006, 08:54 PM
yes, its possible, however, if they go ahead and make weapon-grade material, or refuse inspectors, or do something else that is stupid, they'll get invaded. However, this is a good resolution. if they really want just power, then here is a great path, if they refuse this, then well, we know what they are really after.

Kilgor
05-16-2006, 09:14 PM
Try to read up on the facts before opening your mouth.
The whole point is that the type of reactor the EU are offering to iran makes it much harder to use the waste for making bombs.

/C

The Iranians have learned well from the north korean style of f*cking eveyone over with promises. It seems the EU have learned nothing

signatory
05-16-2006, 09:19 PM
yes, its possible, however, if they go ahead and make weapon-grade material, or refuse inspectors, or do something else that is stupid, they'll get invaded. However, this is a good resolution. if they really want just power, then here is a great path, if they refuse this, then well, we know what they are really after.

Not really. Iran has stated that they wish to become an exporter of nuclear fuel and not to be reliant on external sources for their energy needs.

(if that's BS or not that's for analysis but it's what Iran has stated)

They have already been offered fuel from Europe, DENIED.
They have been offered to enrich on Russian land, DENIED.

After 34 years of construction, the Bushehr plant might be fueled and operational in 2007. To me it's clear the European offer is one of PR and to build a case... they really know Iran will deny this one too.

XxDualityxX
05-16-2006, 09:34 PM
Whatever happened to dealing with nations not pleading on your knees.

h22chen
05-16-2006, 11:22 PM
My solution. Fusion Reactors, but the technology is still decades away unfortunately.

annihilation
05-17-2006, 12:16 AM
Not really. Iran has stated that they wish to become an exporter of nuclear fuel and not to be reliant on external sources for their energy needs.

(if that's BS or not that's for analysis but it's what Iran has stated)

They have already been offered fuel from Europe, DENIED.
They have been offered to enrich on Russian land, DENIED.

After 34 years of construction, the Bushehr plant might be fueled and operational in 2007. To me it's clear the European offer is one of PR and to build a case... they really know Iran will deny this one too.

Then what ? The UN is tied up with Russia and China backing Iran. No one is going to plan an attack (well no one looking to fight Iran). So pretty much they got the nuke, its a matter of time.

signatory
05-17-2006, 12:30 AM
Then what ? The UN is tied up with Russia and China backing Iran. No one is going to plan an attack (well no one looking to fight Iran). So pretty much they got the nuke, its a matter of time.


Correct... From my high chair position ; The only thing left is to make sure they can't effectively use that nuke by removing their ability to wage offensive wars. They have no long range bombers or large missile systems today but it would be wise to make sure current systems and those on the way are removed. And hopefully in the process make it too expensive to continue on and repair a nuclear weapons programme.

Who will do it? Will Bush wag the dog while other countries look the other way... ? p-) Or will nothing happen... Stay tuned to drama in the middle-east ~~ dododo

caridon
05-17-2006, 02:31 AM
harder as in its possible to use them for war?
Everything can be used for war it is just a question if how hard.
This makes it harder for iran to use the reactor for war.

/C

signatory
05-17-2006, 07:56 AM
As expected:


Iran Rejects Reactor Offer

Iran has rejected a European offer of a light nuclear reactor in return for a promise that the regime will give up its uranium enrichment.

President Ahmadinejad said Iran's nuclear programme was too valuable to lose.

"They think they are dealing with a four-year-old, telling him they will give him candies or walnuts and take gold from him in return," he said.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13524350,00.html

Gung-Ho
05-17-2006, 08:37 AM
There's no chance in hell that the Euros will do this. They've learnt too much by their experiences in WWI and WWII to try this sort of thing.

2Sheds_Jackson
05-17-2006, 09:29 AM
I would look for Iran to use this as a delaying mechanism while they continue their current program, and then when Europe presses the issue, Iran will reject the deal. Over and over again, nobody ever learning, all wishing their very hardest that their worst fears won't be realized. Iran knows the game well and is playing it masterfully.

foxtrot023
05-17-2006, 10:04 AM
I think they are building the case against Iran. Kinda of saying we tried every peaceful way and they did not accept so they have to deal with the consecuences..... so at the end, Israeli jets will bomb the scrap out of that reactor

Mastermind
05-17-2006, 10:08 AM
I think two sheds is closest to the truth of the matter.

Neoboy
05-17-2006, 10:23 AM
I think they are building the case against Iran. Kinda of saying we tried every peaceful way and they did not accept so they have to deal with the consecuences..... so at the end, Israeli jets will bomb the scrap out of that reactor
Incidently I immediately thought of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera) when I read the thread title.

joshfox0
05-17-2006, 10:27 AM
Good question...that's like saying to your enemy:

Here's a gun so you can go hunting for food to feed your family but please don't shoot at us...
:-( we still want to think the worlds like that we remember the days when we used to line up in brightly coloured uniforms and fire guns at eachother until one side decided to walk at the other.

Long live the imperial days p-)

Bert
05-17-2006, 10:33 AM
I think they are building the case against Iran. Kinda of saying we tried every peaceful way and they did not accept so they have to deal with the consecuences..... so at the end, Israeli jets will bomb the scrap out of that reactor
It's already too late to do an 'Opera', an attack will spread fallout all over.

annihilation
05-17-2006, 10:37 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060517/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear

Looks like they decided already

2Sheds_Jackson
05-17-2006, 10:52 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060517/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear

Looks like they decided already

Well that kind of puts to bed the idea that Iran is after nuclear power. They were just offered nuclear power, and turned it down. They are after something else. Hmmm...what could that be?

signatory
05-17-2006, 11:01 AM
Well that kind of puts to bed the idea that Iran is after nuclear power. They were just offered nuclear power, and turned it down. They are after something else. Hmmm...what could that be?

I wrote something about that earlier in this thread

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1662526&postcount=20


It's A) a pissing contest or/and B) a weapons program.

annihilation
05-17-2006, 11:49 AM
Well that kind of puts to bed the idea that Iran is after nuclear power. They were just offered nuclear power, and turned it down. They are after something else. Hmmm...what could that be?

Maybe they want the satisfaction of being able to do it on their own. lol

Shadow
05-17-2006, 11:52 AM
Why don't we give them nuclear weapons... and blow them up via remote controll?