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Switek
09-04-2006, 04:02 PM
I know you can be fed up with your camo discussion. But as more pictures I see than more I recognize it as a very effective. It's just a matter of distance. I think that those colors blends quite fine an really can cheat sight sense...

dez000
09-04-2006, 04:24 PM
I know you can be fed up with your camo discussion. But as more pictures I see than more I recognize it as a very effective. It's just a matter of distance. I think that those colors blends quite fine an really can cheat sight sense...

Another one joins our side p-)

Doomhammer
09-04-2006, 05:10 PM
Another one joins our side p-)

Luke, come over to the Jigsaw camo side!:)

Doomhammer
09-04-2006, 05:13 PM
Actually if it is raining in the woods the effectiveness of the ABL camouflage increases tremendously. Lately I've seen a platoon of soldiers in the woods when it was raining and at 200m away, they were very hard to spot when they were lying in the bushes and the tall grass. THe camo looks flashy because most pictures are probaly enhanced for optimal brightness. If it's true I don't know, just heard from someone who is a hobby photographer.

Switek
09-04-2006, 05:22 PM
Actually if it is raining in the woods the effectiveness of the ABL camouflage increases tremendously. Lately I've seen a platoon of soldiers in the woods when it was raining and at 200m away, they were very hard to spot when they were lying in the bushes and the tall grass. THe camo looks flashy because most pictures are probaly enhanced for optimal brightness. If it's true I don't know, just heard from someone who is a hobby photographer.

Being wet and dirty you don't need any camo - you became invisible. If you have kids you know that :).

I find another advantage of ABL - urban/short distance combat when camo is your own enemy... Being recognizeable for your unit your chances to be ok increase

Doomhammer
09-04-2006, 05:29 PM
Too bad whe don't have the flecktarn anymore. that would be a great camo uniform. And it looks really nice in my opinion.
The jigsaw camo has its effectiveness but it's different. I have an ABL uniform in my closet next to US and german camo and still the ABL camo looks very apart, not really mainstream.

btw, does anyone know who designed the ABL camouflage pattern?

TheBelgian
09-04-2006, 07:11 PM
I dont know who he was, but he was colorblind. But, seriously, i know Jigsaw works in belgium, especially when its raining (and the odds of its raining are pretty damn good), but couldnt they have made it less purple looking!? Anyways, damn good news about the MICH helmets. Anyone know if the descision to buy them has already been made and, if so, which units will be equiped with them? only the Paras?

And another question. Ive never really heard a lot of complaints about the current (Arktis?) chest webbing. Are they just gonna be replaced now by this new MOLLE system? Or will only select units (read Para Commandos) be issued them? Or will units going on foreign operations have the choice between the webbing or the Molle?

And one final question, the guys in the pictures from the Defensie dagen are Para Commandos, right? They look the part and the gear looks right, but im not seeing any Wings or any Dagger patches on their shoulders

dez000
09-04-2006, 08:19 PM
And another question. Ive never really heard a lot of complaints about the current (Arktis?) chest webbing. Are they just gonna be replaced now by this new MOLLE system? Or will only select units (read Para Commandos) be issued them? Or will units going on foreign operations have the choice between the webbing or the Molle?

And one final question, the guys in the pictures from the Defensie dagen are Para Commandos, right? They look the part and the gear looks right, but im not seeing any Wings or any Dagger patches on their shoulders

Current webbings are made by Seyntex, and my friend in the Army says they are great! The MOLLE system will replace them indeed, since some 5000 of these MOLLE webbings have been ordered I'd say the units which have the current webbing will receive the MOLLE ones (Para-Commandos, Infantry, Recce's.) and the old webbing will probably go to units who don't have any webbings like the artillery for instance (this is just speculation however).

Some of the MOLLE webbing will probably be placed in a Pool (as the Camelbacks are) too, for units who don't receive the webbing as a standard part of their equipment and have to go on foreign operations. This way all Belgian forces abroad have topnotch equipment (even the ones who have to work with older equipment back in Belgium ;) ).

And yes they are paracommando's.

Ps. any Belgian soldiers, correct me if i'm wrong with the above information. Since I rely on hear say and what I find on the net ;)

BlackHawk
09-05-2006, 05:20 PM
Some more pictures I've made @ the Belgian Defence Days (02 SEP 2006)

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/19.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/18.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/16.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/15.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/14.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/17.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/12.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/13.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/11.jpg

Nadorst
09-05-2006, 06:08 PM
Nice pics Blackhawk! (PS: Check PM please)

I'm gonna quote myself here from the other dedicated Defence Days topic (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90469), to let more people enjoy more pics:


Hi, I went on saturday (02/09/2006)...

Here are a few of my pics of that day (I chose some other subjects, so my pics are complimentary to the pics of Marvin)!

Airplanes:

Alphajet, EMB-121 Xingu (France), blue Fouga Magister, F-104 ram-air turbine, F-104 rear, Hunter, Spitfire, T-33, Mirage 5 BR
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/7637/alphajetdj0.th.jpg (http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alphajetdj0.jpg)http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/8553/emb121lo2.th.jpg (http://img333.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emb121lo2.jpg)http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/221/fougabluevv3.th.jpg (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fougabluevv3.jpg)http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5853/f104ramairsg0.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f104ramairsg0.jpg)http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/512/f104backhj7.th.jpg (http://img333.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f104backhj7.jpg)http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7690/hunterxi4.th.jpg (http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hunterxi4.jpg)http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7601/spitfirexk1.th.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spitfirexk1.jpg)http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1949/t33mg0.th.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t33mg0.jpg)http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/931/mirage5brct4.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mirage5brct4.jpg)

Hunter-B UAV overview, wing, engine, wingsensor(?)
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/4830/hunteruav1ho3.th.jpg (http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hunteruav1ho3.jpg)http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/699/hunteruav2rn9.th.jpg (http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hunteruav2rn9.jpg)http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/5290/hunteruav3ih2.th.jpg (http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hunteruav3ih2.jpg)http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/5922/hunteruav4pm1.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hunteruav4pm1.jpg)

Pair of Fouga's in the air, F-16 flightsim (dated GFX :roll:), engine of crashed F-16
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2679/fougapairkr2.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fougapairkr2.jpg)http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/739/flightsimzv6.th.jpg (http://img333.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flightsimzv6.jpg)http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/7388/crashedf16enginein2.th.jpg (http://img432.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crashedf16enginein2.jpg)

Equipment

FN MAG, FN Minimi/SAW ;-), AW90 sniper - view through scope
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4632/magjb5.th.jpg (http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magjb5.jpg)http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/968/rambominimiul2.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rambominimiul2.jpg)http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/9431/scopeaw90py9.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scopeaw90py9.jpg)

Dingo 2 front, frontseats (Wasn't allowed to take pictures inside? :oops:), weapon and SADLS, rightside, leftside
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/857/dingofrontfa6.th.jpg (http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dingofrontfa6.jpg)http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/7108/dingoinsidefrontoy6.th.jpg (http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dingoinsidefrontoy6.jpg)http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6679/dingosadlstx8.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dingosadlstx8.jpg)http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3522/dingoside1yb2.th.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dingoside1yb2.jpg)http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3460/dingoside2vl1.th.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dingoside2vl1.jpg)


LMV front, leftside, re****ats, frontseats
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3148/lmvfrontxc5.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lmvfrontxc5.jpg)http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1232/lmvsidewn4.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lmvsidewn4.jpg)http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9500/lmvinsidebackfr0.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lmvinsidebackfr0.jpg)http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8865/lmvinsidefrontnz0.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lmvinsidefrontnz0.jpg)

Mistral (MANPAD SAM) view through IR sights, front
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7387/mistralinfraredscopeny8.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mistralinfraredscopeny8.jpg)http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/7817/mistralei6.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mistralei6.jpg)

120mm mortar, mortar crew (= friendly army girl!!! :lol:)
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8669/120mortarhh7.th.jpg (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=120mortarhh7.jpg)http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/1259/armygirllz7.th.jpg (http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=armygirllz7.jpg)

That's all folks, enjoy!

dez000
09-07-2006, 02:36 PM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=903

Foto: Jürgen Braekevelt

Johan M
09-07-2006, 03:36 PM
aircommando's?

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/14.jpg

BlackHawk
09-07-2006, 03:55 PM
aircommando's?

Nope... Para Commando's...
3 Para I believe

TheBelgian
09-07-2006, 10:28 PM
Air "Commandos" are basically just guard airfields right? Nothing elite about 'em from what ive heard. Wieten.

Pte Schwede
09-08-2006, 08:08 AM
If they are better trained, better equiped and specialized they might actually be "Elite".....but i of course don´t know if that is the case.

-Max2-
09-08-2006, 08:47 AM
Some more pics of the Defence Days from www.baha.be

http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/Spitfire-arrival_jos_schoof.jpg
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/60-years_A.jpg
F-16 and Spitfire flying in formation for the 60th anniversary of the BAF
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/dak_t6_form_jan_claessens.jpg
C-47 Dakota and T-6 Harvard
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/Fast-jet-training_A_jos_sch.jpg
Alpha Jet, Fouga and T-33. Unfortunately, this T-33 who belonged to private collectors crashed in the UK three days after this pic was taken (pilots survived) :(
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/Deployment_A_jos_schoofs.jpg
Joint Demo
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/f16_jan_claessens.jpg
F-16 (note the Per Udsen MRP recce pod under the belly)
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/h05_Medevac_jos_schoofs.jpg
A109BA Medevac
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/CE-04_dirk-geerts.jpg
ERJ-145
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/CH-10_dirk_geerts.jpg
C-130H
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/FA-131_kos_schoofs_A.jpg
F-16 solo display
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/alpha_jet_Memories_jos_scho.jpg
Alpha Jets
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/fx47_marc_brouyere.jpg
The beautifully restored Lockheed F-104G Starfighter
http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigator/News/Special%20Features/Bvc_def-days_2006/Fireworks_A.jpg
F-16 ejecting flares

dez000
09-08-2006, 12:30 PM
Air "Commandos" are basically just guard airfields right? Nothing elite about 'em from what ive heard.

Correct :P

BlackHawk
09-08-2006, 05:21 PM
a few more...

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/20.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/21.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/22.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/23.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/24.jpg

http://www.tiger-link.com/beauvdef/28.jpg

Johan M
09-09-2006, 08:35 AM
Air "Commandos" are basically just guard airfields right? Nothing elite about 'em from what ive heard. Wieten.

I just don't know, i read that this used to be the tests for aircommando's




1. Hindernispiste zonder wapen binnen de 5 minuten.

2. Schietoefening bestaande uit: 10 patronen normaal vuren, 10 patronen na 20x push-up (pompen) en dan nog eens 10 patronen met gasmasker. De afstand was 100 meter geloof ik.

3. 's Nachts, of in het donker met een kaart op onbekend terrein van punt A naar punt B binnen de 12 minuten. Onderweg langs 2 controlepunten.

4. Gedeeltelijke uit eenname van uw persoonlijk wapen, een FNC model B (model B is het commando uitvoering met inklapbare kolf). En dan ook nog eens de gedeeltelijke uit eenname van het sectiewapen: de Minimi.
Dit alles geblinddoekt binnen de 5 minuten. Je kreeg een blinddoek om, klapte in je handen om de start aan te geven, nam het wapen gedeeltelijk uit elkaar, klapte in je handen, alles terug in elkaar steken, veiligheidsmaatregelen en daarna vuren om te laten kijken dat het wapen ook terug functioneerde.

5. Snelle ontscheping uit een vrachtwagen in gevechtskledij. Met een sectie in een vrachtwagen en dan tegen 30 a 40 Km per uur er uit springen en ontplooien.

Als je op deze proeven slaagde kreeg je het brevet Luchtfuselier en een groter insigne voor op je blauwgrijze muts. Ook daarbij hoorde een opnaaibadge voor op je service dress.

Daarna kon na 2 maanden opleiding dan ook nog eens het brevet “aircommando” behalen door de volgende proeven af te leggen.

1. Hindernispiste met wapen binnen de 5 minuten.

2. Close combat.

3. Schietoefening bestaande uit: ’s nachts vuren en op bewegende doelen bij daglicht.

4. Dodens****g.

5. Death-ride.

6. Rappel.

7. Koordenpiste.

8. Snelle ontscheping in volledig gevechtskledij uit een C-130 Hercules.

9. ’s Nachts met een commando van 4 op onbekend terrein (met kaart) een aangeduide plaats weten te bereiken zonder opgemerkt te worden.


that doesn't seem easy to me.

Especially point 8 made me think that the guys on the picture were aircommando's. But I believe you when you say, they are not.

BlackHawk
09-09-2006, 09:03 AM
I just don't know, i read that this used to be the tests for aircommando's




that doesn't seem easy to me.

Especially point 8 made me think that the guys on the picture were aircommando's. But I believe you when you say, they are not.

Indeed, the air-commando's also practice the assault landing with C-130. But at the defence days 3 Para did the assault landing.

Concerning the tests for air-commando: the list of tests you gave is correct, with exception for 'luchtfusilier'... when you pass these tests you get a black baret with silver wings (= not the larger silver air-commando sign (= two crossed sten guns with wings))

dez000
09-09-2006, 10:16 AM
The infantry battalions of the Landcomponent (Carabiniers-Grenadiers, Bevr. 5de linie, 12de/13de linie and Ardeense Jagers) also do C-130 Assault landings btw.

Johan M
09-09-2006, 11:05 AM
OK, thx for the information guys.

TheBelgian
09-09-2006, 11:09 PM
Yo did anyone catch that Witte Raven program today? The one where Roos van Akker tried being a Para for two weeks? I abroad so i couldnt see it, i dont supposed anyone recorded it? If anyone did, or could find a link or something (Ive tried in vain) I'd appreciate it. Thanks guys

Nadorst
09-10-2006, 02:17 AM
I saw it, she cried her ass off and was ****ing hot!!!
Roos in ABL jigsaw-camo = habahaba :hug:

Some pics from roosvanacker.be/paracommando.be:

http://www.roosvanacker.be/WR-Roos.jpg
http://www.roosvanacker.be/WR-Roos2.jpg
http://www.paracommando.com/files/public/168_roosone.jpg
http://www.paracommando.com/files/public/168_roostwo.jpg

You can find the trailer (Don't know if it's gonna stay online for long?) here (http://www.een.be/televisie1_master/programmas/e_rave_dezeweek/index.shtml?video_1)...

The full show is bound to end op up on the internet somehow somewhere I guess, so patience is a virtue...

Johan M
09-10-2006, 12:32 PM
Yo did anyone catch that Witte Raven program today? The one where Roos van Akker tried being a Para for two weeks? I abroad so i couldnt see it, i dont supposed anyone recorded it? If anyone did, or could find a link or something (Ive tried in vain) I'd appreciate it. Thanks guys


Pieter Branckaerts, the webmaster of www.paracommando.com has recorded it and will put it on his site.

SonderEinheiten
09-10-2006, 08:48 PM
"schootshouding..........UUUUUPPPP!"
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3861/74564no5.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=74564no5.jpg)

Dude, has this photo been taken at the shooting range on the "Schrikheide" of Leopoldsburg? That's like 700 meters from my house :)

Johan M
09-11-2006, 01:22 PM
Dude, has this photo been taken at the shooting range on the "Schrikheide" of Leopoldsburg? That's like 700 meters from my house :)

SonderEinheiten??? Republic of Flanders???

Aren't you supposed to be in jail right now???

SonderEinheiten
09-11-2006, 01:46 PM
SonderEinheiten??? Republic of Flanders???

Aren't you supposed to be in jail right now???

What the hell are you talking about?

Hawkeye
09-11-2006, 01:50 PM
I think he made a funny about recent happenings ...

SonderEinheiten
09-11-2006, 01:56 PM
The media... hate it or love it :-*$

Doomhammer
09-11-2006, 05:19 PM
[quote=Johan M;1917461]SonderEinheiten??? Republic of Flanders???

Aren't you supposed to be in jail right now???[/quote
:) :) :)

See it on the bright side. the Belgian army is now able to recruit 11 new soldiers.

andreen
09-12-2006, 06:58 PM
Do any of you Belgian guys have any experience of this vehicle, how it is to drive, how capable it is in field, etc.
http://www.nhindustries.com/site/img_imp/nh90pt1b_z.jpg

The swedish Air Assault battalion use Polaris Ranger 4X4 and 6X6.
And have the Argo Avenger on trial. What I have heard they are rely satisfied with their Polaris.

Polaris Ranger
http://hemvarnet.se/bilder/bilder640/kakind_20060608_6362.jpg

Argo Avenger
http://www.mil.se/combinedchallenge/images/local/cc06ltgb.jpg

dez000
09-14-2006, 07:42 AM
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=125913&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=125766&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=123838&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=123842&SIZE=big

Doomhammer
09-15-2006, 10:34 AM
Do any of you Belgian guys have any experience of this vehicle, how it is to drive, how capable it is in field, etc.
http://www.nhindustries.com/site/img_imp/nh90pt1b_z.jpg

The swedish Air Assault battalion use Polaris Ranger 4X4 and 6X6.
And have the Argo Avenger on trial. What I have heard they are rely satisfied with their Polaris.

Polaris Ranger
http://hemvarnet.se/bilder/bilder640/kakind_20060608_6362.jpg

Argo Avenger
http://www.mil.se/combinedchallenge/images/local/cc06ltgb.jpg

I believe some of those vehicles are used as a field ambulance. I've seen one in action as an emergency ambulance. By the way they are compact and very handy when you need a little more equipment than you can carry with you.

1Cie GevGn
09-15-2006, 11:47 AM
Alot of German and French troops were out and about in Leopoldsburg this week, even a bridge laying tank. Some nice APC's too <jealous>

Also got to see a C-130 airdrop 2 jeeps, pretty cool.

Hawkeye
09-15-2006, 12:29 PM
I *think* they're there for Quick Response, that starts on monay 1Cie. You participating btw?

And Doomhammer, I believe those vehicles (M-Gator) are only used for MEDEVACs (ambulance duty).

Doomhammer
09-15-2006, 03:26 PM
[quote=Hawkeye;1927153]I *think* they're there for Quick Response, that starts on monay 1Cie. You participating btw?

And Doomhammer, I believe those vehicles (M-Gator) are only used for MEDEVACs (ambulance duty).[/quote

Yep, that's true. I saw them only as ambulance. Do you believe they will use the vehicles for other purposes? Or just as a rapid field ambulance?

Hawkeye
09-15-2006, 06:01 PM
Will use? these vehicles have been in use for quite the time now.

sp2c
09-15-2006, 06:32 PM
http://www.nhindustries.com/site/img_imp/nh90pt1b_z.jpg

that is kind of cool, I wonder if our LSV's could do that with some modifications

http://www.mindef.nl/binaries/LSV_tcm15-23280.jpg

DieterP
09-16-2006, 12:55 PM
Pieter Branckaerts, the webmaster of www.paracommando.com (http://www.paracommando.com) has recorded it and will put it on his site.


The recorded episode from 'witte raven' that shows Roos Van Acker trying to become a paracommando, had been released on paracommando.com.

The megauploadlink I got from paracommando.com appears to be blocked by this site.

http://www.***************/nl/?d=QZQDUHY1

Therefor I downloaded it and reuploaded it to **********:
http://**********.de/files/33313717/roos.rar.html

Enjoy!
Thanks to the original uploader...

kayaker
09-16-2006, 02:18 PM
downloading now, be interesting to see what its like, thanks!

Hawkeye
09-18-2006, 04:47 PM
Belgian SF in Afghanistan. Even undercover!:


http://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/afghan1.htm

dez000
09-18-2006, 05:14 PM
Very nice, very "SAS-like" :P

dez000
09-18-2006, 05:18 PM
The F2000 in Congo :D

http://www.sfg.be/media/KALEMIE,%20RDC/12.jpg
http://www.sfg.be/media/KALEMIE,%20RDC/32.jpg
http://www.sfg.be/media/KALEMIE,%20RDC/42.jpg
http://www.sfg.be/media/KALEMIE,%20RDC/36.jpg

MP5?

http://www.sfg.be/media/Oefeningen/6.jpg

dez000
09-18-2006, 05:23 PM
http://www.sfg.be/video/Film%20SFG%20lang%20klein.wmv
http://www.sfg.be/video/sautopsjourhigh.wmv
http://www.sfg.be/video/sautopsnuithigh.wmv
http://www.sfg.be/video/amphibiousteamhigh.wmv

Updated videos of the SFG, great!

QuarterBack
09-18-2006, 06:00 PM
Nice find! :) Belgium SF looks great!

solidarnosc
09-18-2006, 07:15 PM
Nice pics and vids. I find it a bit ironic however that our most secretive unit has the best website, with most pics and vids of the entire Belgian army. They even have their own e-shop. Mil.be should follow their example.

TheBelgian
09-18-2006, 09:57 PM
Damn, what a high day for this thread. Our SF boys are looking hot, the congo pictures are great. The F2000 keeps looking better and better. Two questions though. The pictures is afghanistan; when were they taken? Cause they're still using FNCs and Uzis instead of P90s and F2000s. Also, why dont they use desert camo in that terrain? Or is this in the pre desert camo days. Anyways, great pictures guys. Keep em coming

dez000
09-19-2006, 07:30 AM
Damn, what a high day for this thread. Our SF boys are looking hot, the congo pictures are great. The F2000 keeps looking better and better. Two questions though. The pictures is afghanistan; when were they taken? Cause they're still using FNCs and Uzis instead of P90s and F2000s. Also, why dont they use desert camo in that terrain? Or is this in the pre desert camo days. Anyways, great pictures guys. Keep em coming

Could be the pre-desert dates, could also be that the pictures where taking during the winter season or something where the desert clothing might not give enough warmth.

Hawkeye
09-19-2006, 12:03 PM
I think they were taken during winter. Wouldn't be surprised.
I don't think they'd ever use P90 there, they've had the P90 for quite some time now, and these pics seem to be newer. It has pretty short range, and all.
Maybe they don't use F2000 with a certain reason, not to stand out, maybe it doesn't work well in those conditions, etc...



EDIT:
http://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/16.JPG

Seems like an interesting pic, notice painted FNC, vert-grip on MINIMI (haven't seen that before) and a local in the back of the right ILTIS.

andreen
09-19-2006, 02:23 PM
Very nice images on the www.sfg.be
I se in the pic that some FNC have a rail on the top of the weapon. How is it going with the "raling" of the FNC.

OT....The AK5C design is finished. The weapon on the pic don't have the final paintjob..........OT

He219
09-19-2006, 02:55 PM
From the Congo.
Havn't seen this posted here ..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/74443_Dehuit_Philippe.jpg

SiFiOn
09-19-2006, 05:07 PM
Ok, look what I've found : (Dutch)

http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/article643035.ece

Isn't that hilarious?

dez000
09-19-2006, 05:27 PM
I don't know, wasn't D-day postponed because of bad weather?

solidarnosc
09-19-2006, 06:36 PM
Ok, look what I've found : (Dutch)

http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/article643035.ece

Isn't that hilarious?

No why? Should people brake their legs for an exercise? There will always be risks but why make them bigger than necessary. I am sure military people on the terrain are better able to make a correct judgement than the people in AD.

-Max2-
09-19-2006, 07:01 PM
Nice pics !


MP5?

http://www.sfg.be/media/Oefeningen/6.jpg

Interesting pic. :)

Is the MP5SD in use with the SFG ? On sfg.be, there is also a pic showing SFG members with M4s :

http://www.sfg.be/media/Oefeningen/33.jpg

dez000
09-19-2006, 07:13 PM
Intresting

SiFiOn
09-20-2006, 07:45 AM
No why? Should people brake their legs for an exercise? There will always be risks but why make them bigger than necessary. I am sure military people on the terrain are better able to make a correct judgement than the people in AD.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the broken-leg issue. I meant the way the article was commentating on this situation. The insertion of a para-unit is ofcourse always depending on weather conditions.

Koen
09-20-2006, 10:03 AM
Quick response is a multi-national exercise, in fact it is the dutch navy's landing craft who are responsible for the amfibuous landings, and they dropped a load of german soldiers on the wrong spot... to deep, some of them nearly drowned.. so the decision was taken to let the dutch disembark the germans and austrians in the port of zeebrugge..
and then a dutch journal tries to make fun of the stupid belgians again... they should better get some facts right don't they ?

The paradrop by 2 Commando bn was replaced by a stormlanding because of too much wind.. so this exercice was not cancelled, just 'adapted' to the weather.

And then the dutchies complain in letters to Humo of "Anti-hollanders" mood in flanders ???

solidarnosc
09-20-2006, 12:38 PM
Quick response is a multi-national exercise, in fact it is the dutch navy's landing craft who are responsible for the amfibuous landings, and they dropped a load of german soldiers on the wrong spot... to deep, some of them nearly drowned.. so the decision was taken to let the dutch disembark the germans and austrians in the port of zeebrugge..
and then a dutch journal tries to make fun of the stupid belgians again... they should better get some facts right don't they ?

The paradrop by 2 Commando bn was replaced by a stormlanding because of too much wind.. so this exercice was not cancelled, just 'adapted' to the weather.

And then the dutchies complain in letters to Humo of "Anti-hollanders" mood in flanders ???


I think the prize of mussles has more to do with that than an article in a Dutch newspaper. ;)

dez000
09-20-2006, 02:57 PM
Couple of videos of Quick Response!

mms://video.mil.be/def/QR_18_09_06_mil.be_quick_response_1.wmv

mms://video.mil.be/def/QR_19_09_06_quick_response_1.wmv
^Footage of the Dutch, German and French troops can be seen here

TheBelgian
09-20-2006, 04:51 PM
Man, we really do need to take lessons from the dutch about proper military conduct... Like about sewing their soldiers for shooting a combattant. Or not providing their front line troops in Afghanistan with sufficient ammo to fight. Or their intelligence service losing USB sticks full of sensitive information on a weekly basis. (btw, i actually think the dutch have a great military, I'm just pointing out that cheap shots can be taken on both sides)

Whatever, its just some *****ty article in some sub standard newspaper taking some easy shots at issues that are over their heads, and displaying some of the worst journalistic skills its been my privillege to see.

Back on track again, gotta love the new pictures and videos on www.sfg.be . It looks like money is finally being spent on our Special Forces. P90, F2000 with grenade launcher, Five-Seven, Surefires, Aimpoints, MICH Gallet helmets, Pro Tec helmets, new (Blackhawk?) vests and maybe even MP5SD and M4s (which could just be for tests or on exchanges with other units. Our guys look on par with the rest of the spec op teams.

Btw, If you're checking out the pictures, make sure to not only check the galleries in the Media section, but also the pictures under "Vorming" of the Land, Air and Amphibious Teams, a lot of new pictures in there too.

dez000
09-20-2006, 05:51 PM
Hmm, short google videos I stumbled upon.

Belgian Infantry squad.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5066121240614691019&q=wolfpack

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1101605852845484948&q=wolfpack

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3659991415498019580&q=wolfpack

dez000
09-21-2006, 12:11 PM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=942


De landing op de stranden van Zeebrugge was in samenwerking met de Nederlandse marine. Hier een mooi plaatje als het amfibisch vaartuig LCU (Landing Craft Utility) het commandoschip Godetia nadert om de passagiers op te pikken.

solidarnosc
09-21-2006, 12:31 PM
De Godetia is not exactly the Hr. Ms. Rotterdam but it's the idea that matters. ;)

dez000
09-21-2006, 04:57 PM
Hmm, short google videos I stumbled upon.

Belgian Infantry squad.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5066121240614691019&q=wolfpack

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1101605852845484948&q=wolfpack

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3659991415498019580&q=wolfpack

Btw: Does anyone know which unit this is? The guys seem to call themself Wolfpack but thats probably just a nickname they use.

solidarnosc
09-21-2006, 06:06 PM
Btw: Does anyone know which unit this is? The guys seem to call themself Wolfpack but thats probably just a nickname they use.


I hear them shouting in Dutch. I think its probably Bevrijding or Carpatten in Leopoldsburg.

dez000
09-23-2006, 11:25 AM
mms://video.mil.be/def/QR_22_09_06_quick_response_1.wmv

New vid of the Exercise Quick Response. At the start you can see troops from Luxemburg (? I geuss) performing Crowd Control. Followed by the 3th Para Battalion's Assault on Saint Hubert.


2 september, 14.30, airport of Saint-Hubert. Clear sky, strong wind. 30 troops of the Woodland armed forces (OPFOR) occupy the terrain.

14.59. 2 C-130's fly in low.

15.00. The landinggear of the first plane touches the *****, followed immediatly by the 2nd plane. At the end of the runway the troops jump out of the plane. 2 compagnies of the 3th Para Batallion got the dellicate mission to take over the airfield. An import target in the mission of BLUFOR.

Quickly the Airborne troops disperse in the treeline. Blam-blam-blam-blam! A heavy machine gun opens fire while others fire salvos to ensure the advance of the squads. In no time they are able to occupy the main entrance. Then they open fire on 2 trucks of OPFOR who made the mistake of using the road around the airport. For them it's over...

16.30. The paratroopers are in control of the Airfield. 2 C-130's with the rest of the battallion and some vehicles are able to commence the landing.

48 hours before this pathfinders where dropped above the AO. They provided the paratroopers with information about the enemy presence in the area. A F-16 then took out some AA-guns so the C-130's were insured of a safe landing.

A typical mission for Paracommandos. Operations deep in enemy terrain to secure a sensitive point and create a bridgehead.
They'll keep defending it untill friendly forces arrive... In this case it will be nearly 60 hours... about 3 days before they are relieved.

22 september, 18.00. Peace has returned to the airport while the Paracommandos take their positions. Now the waiting start for the arrival of the other BLUFOR troops...

http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=subjecttext&ID=43580

-source: mil.be
-crappy translation: me

Xlimit
09-23-2006, 11:45 AM
Well let our jounalists talking, some are more stupid then a donkeys ass :)

But on the other hand, damn your SF is getting to look better and better. Those FN2000's look great! Now some nice new tanks and choppers, few more ships and you'll guys be fine ;)

dez000
09-24-2006, 04:28 PM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=subjecttext&ID=43591

Lots of German troops in here, also Belgian Special Forces with F2000 and some footage of Non-combattant Evacutation Operation.

SonderEinheiten
09-24-2006, 05:38 PM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=subjecttext&ID=43591

Lots of German troops in here, also Belgian Special Forces with F2000 and some footage of Non-combattant Evacutation Operation.

Tell me about it. Yesterday a convoy of about 10 fully camouflaged and armed German Fuchs APC's drove out of the woods exactly in front of my house. They drove through an old path into the woods which had been grown over for a couple of years. Now it has been reopened :)

solidarnosc
09-24-2006, 06:13 PM
Tell me about it. Yesterday a convoy of about 10 fully camouflaged and armed German Fuchs APC's drove out of the woods exactly in front of my house. They drove through an old path into the woods which had been grown over for a couple of years. Now it has been reopened :)


I suppose it just a coincidence that they passed your house. ;)

dez000
09-24-2006, 06:20 PM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=946

Beach landing, Ex. Quick Response.

SonderEinheiten
09-25-2006, 08:34 AM
I suppose it just a coincidence that they passed your house. ;)

Are you suggesting it was me who changed the roadsigns? :roll:

solidarnosc
09-25-2006, 09:37 AM
Are you suggesting it was me who changed the roadsigns? :roll:

Wat roadsigns? No, your name. ;)

SonderEinheiten
09-25-2006, 04:16 PM
Wat roadsigns? No, your name. ;)

Sarcasm...

Lone
09-28-2006, 02:55 PM
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/060928QuickResponse/index.shtml

here you can find a new movie about Ex. Quick Response featuring our Special Forces.

First time i've seen them with Desert CIRAS. And those F2000's with Eotechs are HOT!

jokke
09-28-2006, 03:00 PM
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/060928QuickResponse/index.shtml

here you can find a new movie about Ex. Quick Response featuring our Special Forces.

First time i've seen them with Desert CIRAS. And those F2000's with Eotechs are HOT!

I was watching that with awe on my pc .. and strangly ..

I was looking to buy myself a desert CIRAS ... without even thinking about it ..

Yes you were right Lone .. i'm obsessed :)

Hawkeye
09-28-2006, 03:01 PM
I posted the SF pics in Today's Pics, just so you'd know.

dez000
09-28-2006, 05:25 PM
Nice vid of the SFG!

DutchPower
09-29-2006, 08:46 AM
Hey the landingcraft is Dutch =)
Dont belgian have ther own??
or was it a mixed trainings or something?

dez000
09-29-2006, 09:14 AM
Hey the landingcraft is Dutch =)
Dont belgian have ther own??
or was it a mixed trainings or something?

It was both, we didn't have any and I believe it was also mixed training (not sure tho)

DieterP
10-01-2006, 05:59 AM
It was both, we didn't have any and I believe it was also mixed training (not sure tho)


It is a combined Field Training Exercise.
The countries involved were Belgium (it was held there), Germany, the Netherlands, France, Luxemburg and Austria.
Eventually the forneign forces were responsible for 10% of the assault.

So yes, it was a mixed training.

dez000
10-02-2006, 09:47 AM
New webbing/body armor in desert camouflage.

http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=newstext&ID=1527

Hawkeye
10-02-2006, 10:34 AM
Whow finally!

Where did you find that pic? mil.be doesn't seem to have a UNIFIL-ppage yet ...

dez000
10-02-2006, 11:16 AM
It was in the "news" sections.

http://www.mil.be/def/news/index.asp?LAN=nl&ID=681

Doomhammer
10-05-2006, 06:24 AM
It was in the "news" sections.

http://www.mil.be/def/news/index.asp?LAN=nl&ID=681
Looks like those new modular vests they were talking about. Finally they got it.

TheBelgian
10-10-2006, 04:54 PM
Hey all,

Here's a page from mil.be with some more pictures of the new modular vests from the toops during prearation for BELUFIL. Gotta say, the new vest is looking pretty nice. I wanna see one with some more pockets attached though. so far they dont really show off the storage possibility. New body armor looks solid enough but heavy and cumbersome as hell.

http://www.mil.be/belufil/gall/index.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=139199&IDS=76

dez000
10-10-2006, 06:15 PM
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=139246&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=139258&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=139273&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=139289&SIZE=big

Some of the pics from the gallery 'The Belgian' posted.

TheBelgian
10-14-2006, 11:02 AM
In the overiew of the recent military expenditures on www.mil.be, the "Pragmatisme en Efficientie Voorop" thing, there is a mention of "de toekomstige specialforces jeeps". Anyone have any idea what jeeps they might have in mind for our special forces?

DutchPower
10-14-2006, 11:41 AM
That are YPR's???

Eggy
10-14-2006, 12:00 PM
Nice new kit.


That are YPR's???
I think they call it AIFV but you can't really compare them to the Dutch YPR, they look similar on the outside though.

SiFiOn
10-15-2006, 05:27 AM
In fact an YPR is a M-113 based APC. The Belgains don't have the same upgrades on theirs as we do on ours.

calimero2
10-16-2006, 07:35 AM
I think they call it AIFV but you can't really compare them to the Dutch YPR, they look similar on the outside though.

The AIFV-B and YPR-765 are nearly identical but I have to add that the Belgian and Dutch armed forces use different models (except maybe for the IFV 25mm version). And as SiFiOn mentioned, the Belgian AIFV's weren't upgraded (because they will be withdrawn from service as will be all tracked vehicles).

MadMan
10-16-2006, 07:47 AM
Ok, then you got a MOLLE vest.... But how about using it then with the pouches! p-)

Hawkeye
10-16-2006, 10:30 AM
In the overiew of the recent military expenditures on www.mil.be (http://www.mil.be), the "Pragmatisme en Efficientie Voorop" thing, there is a mention of "de toekomstige specialforces jeeps". Anyone have any idea what jeeps they might have in mind for our special forces?

Where do you see that?

Eggy
10-16-2006, 10:47 AM
The AIFV-B and YPR-765 are nearly identical but I have to add that the Belgian and Dutch armed forces use different models (except maybe for the IFV 25mm version). And as SiFiOn mentioned, the Belgian AIFV's weren't upgraded (because they will be withdrawn from service as will be all tracked vehicles).
Different engine, different transmission, different "eindaandrijving" (don't know the english translation) and probably different armor. From the outside they might look the same but from the inside not really, that was what I meant. :D

A question, the Belgian AIFV will be replaced by the wheeled Piranha with gun turret right?

Hawkeye
10-16-2006, 11:10 AM
A question, the Belgian AIFV will be replaced by the wheeled Piranha with gun turret right?


Yes, with a 30mm canon.

I think they should have Anti-tank missiles installed on the turrets as well, like the Bradley has.

calimero2
10-16-2006, 12:44 PM
Different engine, different transmission, different "eindaandrijving" (don't know the english translation)

First time I hear this. Are you saying the YPR-765 series is not fitted with the Detroit Diesel 6V-53T engine and TX100-1A transmission??


A question, the Belgian AIFV will be replaced by the wheeled Piranha with gun turret right?

236 (original number) AIFV-B-C25 will be replaced by 32 Piranha IIIC 8x8 with ORCWS 30...

Armorboy
10-16-2006, 12:45 PM
Yes, with a 30mm canon.

I think they should have Anti-tank missiles installed on the turrets as well, like the Bradley has.

Not with a gun turret, but a ORCWS 30mm from Elbit

Eggy
10-16-2006, 01:00 PM
First time I hear this. Are you saying the YPR-765 series is not fitted with the Detroit Diesel 6V-53T engine and TX100-1A transmission??

236 (original number) AIFV-B-C25 will be replaced by 32 Piranha IIIC 8x8 with ORCWS 30...
Oh I don't know the details but that is what a Belgian guy who has worked on them for years told me on defensieforum.be.

But I didn't know there were rcws for that calibre. Do you have pictures of those?

Ironsight06
10-16-2006, 01:02 PM
But I didn't know there were rcws for that calibre. Do you have pictures of those?
http://www.elbitsystems.com/lobmainpage.asp?id=949

Hawkeye
10-16-2006, 04:28 PM
Not with a gun turret, but a ORCWS 30mm from Elbit
Anyway, above link states that, optionally AT-missiles may be installed.

TheBelgian
10-17-2006, 03:04 PM
Dont count on it man. I wish it were true, but I wouldnt get your hopes up.

Hawkeye
10-17-2006, 03:22 PM
Dont count on it man. I wish it were true, but I wouldnt get your hopes up.

No schit, allthough it would be useful to have them, even in PSO.
The MILAN is a bit outdated, and the 90mm Piranhas aren't exactly tank-killers either.

solidarnosc
10-20-2006, 09:44 PM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=newstext&ID=1594

http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=newstext&ID=1595

Result of 5 kilo's of TNT on Iltis jeep of Belgian army. Well. Good that they will be replaced with LMV.

Nadorst
10-21-2006, 05:52 AM
Wow, nice pic...

Any chance of a bigger version?

Shozen
10-21-2006, 02:32 PM
so, we have molle chest now... i just wonder if the logistic bought the pouches that goes on it .... i bet not :D

ps : i don't think we'll get AT missile on the turret of the pirhana III. The worst is that the scout platoon of the 1/3rd Lanciers (tank unit), is gonna receive the AIFV in .50 (12,7 mm) without even the possibility to install the milan on it (but perhaps it change since i heard about it).

Does anyone knows about it

Erki
10-21-2006, 05:49 PM
Can anyone of you belgian's tell me if there's going to be a coax machinegun on the 30mm version of the Piranha?

And please explain to me how come your usually cheap government want's to spend tons of money on a direct-fire vehicle thats less capable then what you already have? Would'nt it just be cheaper to keep the Leo's as they are?

solidarnosc
10-21-2006, 06:44 PM
Can anyone of you belgian's tell me if there's going to be a coax machinegun on the 30mm version of the Piranha?

And please explain to me how come your usually cheap government want's to spend tons of money on a direct-fire vehicle thats less capable then what you already have? Would'nt it just be cheaper to keep the Leo's as they are?


http://www.mil.be/armycomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=subjecttext&ID=42012

1. Pic from website of Belgian Army. It looks like it will have a light machinegun.

2. You should not focus only on the caliber of the gun but look at the total concept. The Leopard I weights about 40 tons and runs on tracks. The 90MM MGS (22 ton) is a totally different concept for different missions in a post cold war world where speed and flexibility is sometimes more important than firepower. The MGS is not a tank with a 90MM gun but a LAV with a 90MM gun and part of a family of vehicles.

Shozen
10-22-2006, 06:11 AM
not easy to send a Leo in A-stan, they prefer buying lighter vehicule and be able to send them everywhere (which is smarter for once).
We are becoming a middle (médian in french) capability army (not really for the WAR, but for operations before and after the big-combat-fighting-hell-war-whatever-you-call-it.

solidarnosc
10-22-2006, 10:21 AM
not easy to send a Leo in A-stan, they prefer buying lighter vehicule and be able to send them everywhere (which is smarter for once).
We are becoming a middle (médian in french) capability army (not really for the WAR, but for operations before and after the big-combat-fighting-hell-war-whatever-you-call-it.

I wouldn't say not for war, but for different wars/conflics than in the 20th century. Weight of vehicles has in my vieuw nothing to do with capability to fight. Armies always had light and heavy units to fight and Belgium now chooses "median" vehicles because we don't have the money to do both.

Besides.

LMV is heavier than Iltis
Dingo II is heavier than Unimog and M113
Pandur recce is heavier than Scimitar
PiranhaIIIC is heavier than AIFV

It is ironic that everybody is talking about light wheeled vehicles that are going to replace "heavy" Belgian armour while the wheeled vehicles will be heavier and much better protected and armed than the tracked vehicles they are going to replace.

Erki
10-22-2006, 10:39 AM
http://www.mil.be/armycomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=subjecttext&ID=42012

1. Pic from website of Belgian Army. It looks like it will have a light machinegun.

2. You should not focus only on the caliber of the gun but look at the total concept. The Leopard I weights about 40 tons and runs on tracks. The 90MM MGS (22 ton) is a totally different concept for different missions in a post cold war world where speed and flexibility is sometimes more important than firepower. The MGS is not a tank with a 90MM gun but a LAV with a 90MM gun and part of a family of vehicles.

1. Thanks for the info.

2. I'm focusing on the whole concept. But what is flexibility? Wheeled vehicles have excellent strategical mobility. But when they get to the fight they are more or less roadbound. Whilst a tracked vehicle has poorer strategical mobility but excellent tactical mobility and can move over almost all kinds of terrain.

Another mather is that while the 90mm MGS is most certainly not a tank. It will have more or less the same tasks as a tank. Namely to provide decisive firepower in combat. And in doing so it will of course expose itself to the enemy. It will be fired upon with the whole enemy ****nal. RPG's, HMG's, ATGM's, artillery and possibly other tanks. All of these weapon systems will be extremely dangerous for the MGS since it has insufficient protection. And when it comes to fighting tanks it will always be outgunned and even an uparmoured T-55 might be hard to deal with.

To me it would almost make more sense to scrap the MGS all together and get more 30mm's in addition to the 32 already ordered. Even more parts commonality and you could rerole the tankbattalions to infantry.

Fortunately for the Canadians, they saw the light on this one and scrapped their order for the Stryker MGS, im hoping that Belgium will eventually follow suite.

Erki
10-22-2006, 10:49 AM
I wouldn't say not for war, but for different wars/conflics than in the 20th century. Weight of vehicles has in my vieuw nothing to do with capability to fight. Armies always had light and heavy units to fight and Belgium now chooses "median" vehicles because we don't have the money to do both.

Besides.

LMV is heavier than Iltis
Dingo II is heavier than Unimog and M113
Pandur recce is heavier than Scimitar
PiranhaIIIC is heavier than AIFV

It is ironic that everybody is talking about light wheeled vehicles that are going to replace "heavy" Belgian armour while the wheeled vehicles will be heavier and much better protected and armed than the tracked vehicles they are going to replace.

I'm not sure that I would say "much better protected" when it comes to these vehicles. Iltis>LMV, most definetily, but the others, hmm.

But on the other hand your going to lose a tremendous amount of firepower. And why not simply keep the Leo's and go all wheeled on the rest. You must be able to afford that.

And by the way, are your paras staying light?

solidarnosc
10-22-2006, 11:12 AM
I'm not sure that I would say "much better protected" when it comes to these vehicles. Iltis>LMV, most definetily, but the others, hmm.

But on the other hand your going to lose a tremendous amount of firepower. And why not simply keep the Leo's and go all wheeled on the rest. You must be able to afford that.

And by the way, are your paras staying light?


Probably better 90MM where you need it than 105MM in Leopoldsburg (Belgium). ;) I think armour protection will be better and offer for example much better protection agaist mines. The Piranha IIIC for exampel (according to defence) offers better protection agaist mines than Leopards.

I think they stay what they are. Most new vehicles will be "pooled" between different units.

Erki
10-22-2006, 12:53 PM
Probably better 90MM where you need it than 105MM in Leopoldsburg (Belgium). ;) I think armour protection will be better and offer for example much better protection agaist mines. The Piranha IIIC for exampel (according to defence) offers better protection agaist mines than Leopards.

I think they stay what they are. Most new vehicles will be "pooled" between different units.

But since your going to need the same aircraft (AN-124/C-17 to move equal amounts of them until you get your A-400's in 2018 your Leo's are going to be were you need them and not in Limburg. Only gotta keep'em.woot

The info on mil.be seem's to be politically motivated. I mean, they can't go around saying that "hey, we're getting these lousy armoured cars that can be knocked out by machineguns", if they did heads would roll. And without a doubt, the protection levels are much higher on the Leo's. The frontal armour is like 10 times as thick as that on the Piranha.

Mine protection should be better on the Piranha. But then theres belly armour to be bought for the Leo's of course. Not the same vehicle, but the german Leo 2's with anti-mine kit are said to be very resilient.

solidarnosc
10-22-2006, 01:27 PM
But since your going to need the same aircraft (AN-124/C-17 to move equal amounts of them until you get your A-400's in 2018 your Leo's are going to be were you need them and not in Limburg. Only gotta keep'em.woot

The info on mil.be seem's to be politically motivated. I mean, they can't go around saying that "hey, we're getting these lousy armoured cars that can be knocked out by machineguns", if they did heads would roll. And without a doubt, the protection levels are much higher on the Leo's. The frontal armour is like 10 times as thick as that on the Piranha.

Mine protection should be better on the Piranha. But then theres belly armour to be bought for the Leo's of course. Not the same vehicle, but the german Leo 2's with anti-mine kit are said to be very resilient.

What so lousy about the LMV, DINGOII and PIRANHAIIIC?

Erki
10-22-2006, 01:38 PM
What so lousy about the LMV, DINGOII and PIRANHAIIIC?

I was referring to the Piranha MGS. The LMV and Dingo 2 are excellent in their roles. Piranha IIIC will also be good in the wheeled APC role. And the MGS is'nt lousy. Not by far as good as a tank according to me though.

What I was adressing was that the official sources have to sound positive about the new aquisition's whether they're actually good or not, you have to be source-critical. Mostly because they don't want to infuriate the politicians and partly because they have to make the public and soldiers feel confident about the equipment. They will alway's do this. Whether they've bought new hairdryers or assault rifles.

Hawkeye
10-22-2006, 01:49 PM
The MGS will be able to provide firesupport for infantry against structures and light armoured vehicles but, as you stated, won't be able to kill tanks. That's exactly why they should have ATGMs!

solidarnosc
10-22-2006, 01:49 PM
I was referring to the Piranha MGS. The LMV and Dingo 2 are excellent in their roles. Piranha IIIC will also be good in the wheeled APC role. And the MGS is'nt lousy. Not by far as good as a tank according to me though.

What I was adressing was that the official sources have to sound positive about the new aquisition's whether they're actually good or not, you have to be source-critical. Mostly because they don't want to infuriate the politicians and partly because they have to make the public and soldiers feel confident about the equipment. They will alway's do this. Whether they've bought new hairdryers or assault rifles.

Only a tank can replace a tank but Belgian government thinks tanks are no longer needed.

solidarnosc
10-22-2006, 01:52 PM
The MGS will be able to provide firesupport for infantry against structures and light armoured vehicles but, as you stated, won't be able to kill tanks. That's exactly why they should have ATGMs!


If they would buy them they would have to admit that a tank threat is still a real possibility. Now in the future they can still make some upgrades to equip some vehicles with ATGM's if needed. I don't think heavy AT capability is a priority at the moment.

Erki
10-22-2006, 02:32 PM
But the thing about ATGM's at the moment is that they are currently being used a lot. But not necessarily against tanks and armoured vehicles. Rather against fortifications, buildings and troops in the open at long distances.

For these tasks the MILAN is probably enough. Eventhough being a little bit long in the tooth.

And does anyone know how much the MGS is going to cost a piece?

solidarnosc
10-22-2006, 02:35 PM
But the thing about ATGM's at the moment is that they are currently being used a lot. But not necessarily against tanks and armoured vehicles. Rather against fortifications, buildings and troops in the open at long distances.

For these tasks the MILAN is probably enough. Eventhough being a little bit long in the tooth.

They are expensive to use for a small European country with a even smaler defence budget. ;)

Erki
10-22-2006, 02:37 PM
They are expensive to use for a small European country with a even smaler defence budget. ;)

But you already have them don't you, the MILAN I mean? And all you need to do in order to afford training rounds is fire about a hundred or so general's.;)

Hawkeye
10-22-2006, 04:26 PM
Yeah no **** Erki. I believe they promoted 7 or so new generals in the last month.

pixor
11-01-2006, 03:12 PM
some pictures of our belgian soldiers in Lebanon
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=139289&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=139246&SIZE=big

calimero2
11-01-2006, 04:34 PM
The MGS will be able to provide firesupport for infantry against structures and light armoured vehicles but, as you stated, won't be able to kill tanks. That's exactly why they should have ATGMs!

AFAIK, the 30mm version (AIV C30) will transport an ATGM team, armed with a new type of ATGM. So there will be two types of fire support vehicles: one with a 90mm gun, and one with a (remote-controlled) 30mm gun and an ATGM system for dismounted operations.

Hawkeye
11-01-2006, 05:55 PM
AFAIK, the 30mm version (AIV C30) will transport an ATGM team, armed with a new type of ATGM. So there will be two types of fire support vehicles: one with a 90mm gun, and one with a (remote-controlled) 30mm gun and an ATGM system for dismounted operations.
Ho there buddy, where did you get that info?

btw,
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=fr&FILE=gall&ID=140808&SIZE=big
This one was taken at Kunduz, where there are soldiers in the local PRT

And the first two where taken during the preparations for UNIFIL, so they were taken in Belgium.

Catch22
11-01-2006, 06:34 PM
Looks like the new NFM vest sucks a bit when worn over body armor.

solidarnosc
11-01-2006, 08:15 PM
Looks like the new NFM vest sucks a bit when worn over body armor.


I think the webbing has not been adjusted correctly to the vest. Probably the first time that person had it on.

dez000
11-09-2006, 07:44 AM
Got bored, decided to update this thread a little:

BELUFIL:
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=144354&SIZE=big

BELUKOS:
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=144837&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=144833&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=144834&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=144889&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=144764&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=143287&SIZE=big

VanLeeuwen
11-09-2006, 12:32 PM
Funny to see that a belgium operator use a Eastpack pack.
I used the same one for school (like many other) heheheh

http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=144833&SIZE=big

Those Eastpacks are near to indestructable, Armies should use them :)

Geniak
11-10-2006, 02:36 PM
Lebanon picture (BEL) engineers

http://www.pclaeys.be/Weblog/Belufil groep 1.jpg

More pictures on http://blog.seniorennet.be/Geniak/

dez000
11-11-2006, 11:46 AM
These photos were given to me by a buddy of mine. They were taking during his Commando-training in Marches-Les-Dames. Enjoy.

http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/1.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/2.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/3.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/4.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/5.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/6.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/7.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/8.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/9.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/10.jpg


http://users.pandora.be/Dezzerx/paco/11.jpg

TheBelgian
11-11-2006, 07:20 PM
Nice pictures Dezzerx. The two down the barrel of the FNC are in the running for becoming my next desktop wallpaper.

dez000
11-14-2006, 08:39 AM
BELUFIL Libanon:
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=145721&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=145736&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=145753&SIZE=big

ISAF:
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=145684&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=145707&SIZE=big

BELKOS Kosovo:
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=138487&SIZE=big

Source: mil.be

TheBelgian
11-22-2006, 11:39 AM
Hey all,

Here are some pictures from tha always awesome Special Forces Group website www.sfg.be . The pictures are from the recent Quick Response excercise which took place all over Belgium. Too bad there's no high-res versions.

TheBelgian
11-22-2006, 11:45 AM
Some more...

Damn the new gear keeps looking better. Love those 3D camo suits. Now if only the gov't would give our boys a mission every once in a while.

Hawkeye
11-22-2006, 12:08 PM
Don't think we know about everything the SFG does, 'cause we don't.
Now the Para-Cdos, they deserve some more action!

TheBelgian
11-23-2006, 12:55 PM
Don't think we know about everything the SFG does, 'cause we don't.
Now the Para-Cdos, they deserve some more action!

I hope you're right about the SFG, I unfortunately get the feeling they're mostly window dressing for our glorious armed forces. But yeah, I'm sure they do more than meets the eye.
Amen about the Paras needing more action though. Still cant believe they're not going to Lebanon. Is their any unit the army better suited for the Force Protection unit than them?

Hawkeye
11-24-2006, 06:34 AM
I believe 1 para is doing the next FP-rotation ...

bravo two-five
11-28-2006, 12:31 PM
Nope, normally 3para will go, they're the next on the list said someone from 1para

pixor
11-28-2006, 12:32 PM
Nope, normally 3para will go, they're the next on the list said someone from 1para

they say allot, lets see about it in a couple of months. promises...

TheBelgian
11-29-2006, 11:46 AM
Arent 1st Para and 3rd Para on duty for the NRF? Doesnt that mean they have to remain prepared to leave on operation when called for? How could this be combined with BELUFIL?

Hawkeye
11-29-2006, 12:37 PM
Arent 1st Para and 3rd Para on duty for the NRF? Doesnt that mean they have to remain prepared to leave on operation when called for? How could this be combined with BELUFIL?


I believe it's only 1para, not both.

Koen
11-29-2006, 01:52 PM
3 Para reinforced with elements of 1 Para & Aie B.ij Commando is on NRF7 duty, NRF7 lasts untill the end of this year. Then NRF8 will take over.
As of then the bns are at belgium's disposal again.

The first rotation that left for Lebanon will have to be relieved in january/February so the paracommando's can perfectly leave for this rotation, BELUFIL II.

Koen
11-29-2006, 01:55 PM
Also, the paracommando's will only perform 'force protection' duty in Lebanon. Only one company is needed for this task. It seems to be decided that 3 Para will supply this company. This means that not the whole batallion is leaving for Lebanon, only 130 men.

dez000
12-01-2006, 11:08 AM
Some more pics to pass the time ;)

ISAF

http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=147873&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148199&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=147884&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=146902&SIZE=big

BELUFIL
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=144354&SIZE=big

Geniak
12-07-2006, 01:49 PM
http://www.pclaeys.be/Weblog/Greetings from Lebanon G.jpg (http://blog.seniorennet.be/geniak/)

dez000
12-09-2006, 07:08 PM
Some videos I found on youtube and videogoogle:


Training
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1795329521434433233&q=belgian+amry

Training
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3130042119232828896

Rock 'n Roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_kfZBFcQJ8

Compilation 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eomQvaFikW4

Training
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dflRY6cF7Y

Seaking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD7zrceqNNE

calimero2
12-10-2006, 06:41 AM
Some images of hardware from BELUFIL 1 (source: MoD's website)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1489/pandurambbe32us7.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pandurambbe32us7.jpg)http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7233/aifvbc25be33ac1.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aifvbc25be33ac1.jpg)http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9263/leopardpipzbe25cc3.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=leopardpipzbe25cc3.jpg)

dez000
12-10-2006, 01:36 PM
1st Company Gevechtsgenie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxXwdRExc4

Hawkeye
12-10-2006, 01:52 PM
Whats the mission they're talking about?

Geniak
12-10-2006, 02:04 PM
1st Company Gevechtsgenie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxXwdRExc4

This military engineers company "11 Genie - 1 Cie GevGn" has also a website :
http://www.1genie.be (only dutch language)

maple.leaf
12-17-2006, 08:18 AM
Sorry to high-jack the thread slightly - but can any of you guys recommend some good Belgian military surplus dealers (with an e-shop) for me?

Many thanks! Dank U wel.

1Cie GevGn
12-17-2006, 09:43 AM
1st Company Gevechtsgenie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxXwdRExc4

Lol I was on the exact same exercise, attached to the "afbraakploeg" p-)

The dude in the video sure had some fun in the UN-tower at night, trying to spot the enemy recce-patrol woot

neophyte77
12-27-2006, 11:12 AM
First of all, your sentence is incorrect.

But what should I have expected, from some dumbass, childish Vlaams Blokker (which is fascist and racist).

Downright pathetic, I hope you're not a grown man.
Its Vlaams Belang:bash:
maar het is inderdaad een dwaze opmerking

Flying Dutchman
12-27-2006, 11:31 AM
Its Vlaams Belang:bash:
maar het is inderdaad een dwaze opmerking
bah, almost every1 i know sais vlaams block anyway
They changed it cause vlaams blok was accused and found guilty of racisme, so they changed their name and everything is legal again :roll:

they are accused of racisme again :roll: and will change their name again :roll:

this time into vlaams bullshi t rofl

dez000
12-27-2006, 12:24 PM
Plz if possible keep politics out of this thread.

Some pics to distract you all.

http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=153364&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=153367&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=153370&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belukos/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=153374&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=153138&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=153158&SIZE=big

Johnny bazooka
12-27-2006, 01:49 PM
bah, almost every1 i know sais vlaams block anyway
They changed it cause vlaams blok was accused and found guilty of racisme, so they changed their name and everything is legal again :roll:

they are accused of racisme again :roll: and will change their name again :roll:

this time into vlaams bullshi t rofl

sukkel,

we hebben 1 miljoen stemmen & zijn de grootste partij van Vlaanderen.

dit is eentje voor u

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHL9bnRdSzY

Black Dog
12-29-2006, 02:58 AM
Guys...keep it cool or I report the Flamish conversation to the admin ... they bounce you here for this kind of *****.

Keep it on-topic.

dez000
12-29-2006, 07:11 AM
And on that note, some BELUFIL pics.

http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=154272&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=154278&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=154273&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/belufil/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=154282&SIZE=big

jokke
12-29-2006, 08:27 AM
Today in the news:

Two belgian deminers wounded in Libanon while trying to demine a clusterbomb. One was injured at his foot and was released from hospital after treatment. The other one suffered a neck wound and is still in treatment.

Let us hope they'll be fine soon! They're doing a great job there


( and that should be said more often)

neophyte77
12-29-2006, 09:35 AM
Testing the new MPVV (Dingo II) if it fits in a C-130
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=1067

Flying Dutchman
12-29-2006, 10:02 AM
damn that vehicle is big, i am not even sure if it will fit in the c-130
is their any info available about this matter?

solidarnosc
12-29-2006, 10:13 AM
damn that vehicle is big, i am not even sure if it will fit in the c-130
is their any info available about this matter?


It fits in a C130 (after removel of machine gun). I am sure they tested that with a company model before they bought the vehicle. Now they are also testing the production models.

http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=newstext&ID=1730

http://www.mil.be/aircomp/news/index.asp?LAN=nl&ID=765

1Cie GevGn
12-29-2006, 11:16 AM
Today in the news:

Two belgian deminers wounded in Libanon while trying to demine a clusterbomb. One was injured at his foot and was released from hospital after treatment. The other one suffered a neck wound and is still in treatment.

Let us hope they'll be fine soon! They're doing a great job there


( and that should be said more often)

Guys from my unit...and they're not demining, they are only allowed to mark everything they find......yeah.....:bash:

solidarnosc
12-29-2006, 12:17 PM
Guys from my unit...and they're not demining, they are only allowed to mark everything they find......yeah.....:bash:


So, after their recovery they face a nice welcome from their superiors.

dez000
12-29-2006, 12:47 PM
Belgian NCO FIBUA Training, some nice bayonet action too and a Dingo 2! Worth checking out!

http://www.youtube.com/v/jqT6WY4heYk

1Cie GevGn
12-29-2006, 01:16 PM
So, after their recovery they face a nice welcome from their superiors.

Not really, they are allowed to recover submunitions from clusterbombs, I'm guessing that caused it. Anything bigger is a no-no :cantbeli:

jokke
12-29-2006, 01:49 PM
Not really, they are allowed to recover submunitions from clusterbombs, I'm guessing that caused it. Anything bigger is a no-no :cantbeli:

do u have any more specifics yet ?

and ... why aren't YOU in Libanon ? If the guys are from your unit? :)

solidarnosc
12-29-2006, 02:31 PM
Not really, they are allowed to recover submunitions from clusterbombs, I'm guessing that caused it. Anything bigger is a no-no :cantbeli:


Ok. A coincidence that there is currently a debate in Belgium about the ban of cluster bombs.

1Cie GevGn
12-29-2006, 02:44 PM
Ok. A coincidence that there is currently a debate in Belgium about the ban of cluster bombs.

Aha. You remember the huge action by the radio stations, to collect money against land mines?

Well we might be demining in Libanon, but 3 weeks ago we were in the woods of Leopoldsburg putting down "mine stops", made me feel like a bad man all month :-(

And Jokke, if I knew any more specifics, YOU would be the LAST person I would tell p-)

It's only a small detachment, and I still have to go through Sapper and Pioneer training. I have to say, almost all foreign missions have an engineer detachment with them, so there will be enough opportunities for me. Right now there's about 15 of us waiting to get our training.

neophyte77
12-30-2006, 12:02 PM
Eurocorps exercise Brilliant Ledger
http://www.eurocorps.net/typo3temp/pics/92c4610904.jpg

sp2c
12-30-2006, 12:11 PM
Belgian NCO FIBUA Training, some nice bayonet action too and a Dingo 2! Worth checking out!

http://www.youtube.com/v/jqT6WY4heYk


that looks like fun :)

that last guy with the bayonet seems like he's having just a little bit too much fun though ;)

dez000
12-30-2006, 08:34 PM
M-109 firing
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/WWpwJEbYk1Y

neophyte77
12-31-2006, 04:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XzENGFPOZA

Ironsight06
12-31-2006, 04:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/6XzENGFPOZA
Fixed........

TheBelgian
12-31-2006, 05:35 AM
Anyone know when the troops in Kosovo will be outfitted with the new modular vests and body armor?

dez000
01-03-2007, 08:33 PM
Belgian SFG in Libanon

http://assets.gva.be/albums/GVA/blauwhelmen_libanon/slides/RUG200612220157_.jpg
http://assets.gva.be/albums/GVA/blauwhelmen_libanon/slides/RUG200612220162_.jpg
http://assets.gva.be/albums/GVA/blauwhelmen_libanon/slides/RUG200612220166_.jpg

neophyte77
01-04-2007, 05:09 AM
Belgian SFG in Libanon

http://assets.gva.be/albums/GVA/blauwhelmen_libanon/slides/RUG200612220157_.jpg
http://assets.gva.be/albums/GVA/blauwhelmen_libanon/slides/RUG200612220162_.jpg
http://assets.gva.be/albums/GVA/blauwhelmen_libanon/slides/RUG200612220166_.jpg
God I love those guns

lemmenz
01-04-2007, 06:33 AM
new desert vests

pixor
01-04-2007, 07:23 AM
some pics from lebanon

http://assets.gva.be/albums/GVA/blauwhelmen_libanon/default.asp

dez000
01-04-2007, 11:29 AM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=1073

bilbo baggins
01-05-2007, 09:56 PM
Hey guys!

First time posting on this board............

Related to the Dingo 2, does anyone have decent images of the version used for Recon and/or Command tasks, that has an open rear deck, no rear cover and a rear access door with two wall-mounted boxes, presumably more aircon or whatever? Its shown in an earlier post from the Belgian Defence Ministry site...........

Some such as solidarnosc know me from an Australian board.........:)

Regards,

BUG

dez000
01-06-2007, 11:43 AM
Hey guys!

First time posting on this board............

Related to the Dingo 2, does anyone have decent images of the version used for Recon and/or Command tasks, that has an open rear deck, no rear cover and a rear access door with two wall-mounted boxes, presumably more aircon or whatever? Its shown in an earlier post from the Belgian Defence Ministry site...........

Some such as solidarnosc know me from an Australian board.........:)

Regards,

BUG

I don't but I would love to see those as well.

solidarnosc
01-06-2007, 12:36 PM
Hey guys!

First time posting on this board............

Related to the Dingo 2, does anyone have decent images of the version used for Recon and/or Command tasks, that has an open rear deck, no rear cover and a rear access door with two wall-mounted boxes, presumably more aircon or whatever? Its shown in an earlier post from the Belgian Defence Ministry site...........

Some such as solidarnosc know me from an Australian board.........:)

Regards,

BUG


Hi.

The only pics I have seen so far from this vehicle (command post) is this one. Deliveries only started in december so it will take some months and maybe years before we see all versions.

http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=newstext&ID=1730


http://www.defensieforum.be/forum_viewtopic.php?2.207.90

Here are some nice pics from the troop transport version.

Some pics from the Austrian troop transport version.

http://www.primeportal.net/apc/alfons_mayr/dingo_ii/

Mad Taffy101
01-11-2007, 08:38 AM
Alreet boys. Any idea where I can get hold of Belgian Combats, webbing etc?

neophyte77
01-11-2007, 11:20 AM
http://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/1.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/10.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/11.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/12.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/13.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/14.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/15.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/16.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/18.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/19.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/2.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/21.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/26.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/28.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/29.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/3.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/30.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/32.jpghttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/36.jpghttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/37.jpghttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/4.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/41.jpghttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/6.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/7.JPGhttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/20.jpghttp://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/9.jpg

DutchPower
01-11-2007, 11:42 AM
Is this a belgian heli?
http://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/14.JPG

sp2c
01-11-2007, 11:43 AM
no it isn't

French?

Marvin!!
01-12-2007, 01:39 AM
Or Dutch...


Not as interesting, but I trawled through my personal photo collection and found these:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/Minimi_1.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/FNMAG_1.jpg


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/_MG_0046.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/_MG_0038.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/_MG_0037.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/_MG_0033.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/_MG_0031.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/_MG_0030.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/_MG_0027.jpg


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/Agusta.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/Allouette_1.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/BelSeaKing.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/Magister_6.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/ERJ.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/925048/C47_1.jpg

teutateswolf-n
01-12-2007, 02:02 AM
This thread is very great with a lot of interesting pics.

Here are a few pics of Belgian Full Dress.
You can see mounted and dismounted lancers, as well a pic of grenadiers.
I would like to see more Full Dress. Well, it's not the priority of course, but it's not that so expensive and it's first class for ceremonies and traditions.

I also added one pic of me when I joined the army in the early 90's. But, it's not in Full Dress, it's in Service Dress.

teutateswolf-n
01-12-2007, 02:05 AM
The pic that I said with my Service Dress in the early 90's is early in fact in the thread about our personal pic in uniform, then I couldn't send it again in the Belgian thread.

dez000
01-12-2007, 06:28 AM
Alreet boys. Any idea where I can get hold of Belgian Combats, webbing etc?

If you are not from Belgium I'd say e-bay is your best bet. Or in case you do not want genuine equipment but just equipment in Belgian camo you could try buying stuff from Arktis or NFM.



This thread is very great with a lot of interesting pics.

Here are a few pics of Belgian Full Dress.
You can see mounted and dismounted lancers, as well a pic of grenadiers.
I would like to see more Full Dress. Well, it's not the priority of course, but it's not that so expensive and it's first class for ceremonies and traditions.

I also added one pic of me when I joined the army in the early 90's. But, it's not in Full Dress, it's in Service Dress.

Some very intresting pics! thx

Den_Bevin
01-13-2007, 12:17 PM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=825

End June the Trainingcentre for Commando's in March-Les-Dames received many different military mountaneering schools. The men of the 1 Para battalion showed a tactical exercise with climbing.
www.mil.be (http://www.mil.be)
Foto: Nicolas Deplanque

Well the left guy is holding is weapon very wrong...

TheBelgian
01-13-2007, 01:25 PM
How do you mean? The finger on the trigger?

Eggy
01-13-2007, 04:43 PM
Kabul January 5, A Belgian Hercules takes off from Kabul airport.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/6907/belse130kabulvn7.jpg

Den_Bevin
01-14-2007, 06:56 PM
How do you mean? The finger on the trigger?

He is holding the FNC like he is in 'contactposition' so he is not aiming at a target with his weapon and in that position it's forbidden to put the finger on the trigger.

If he had aimed at a target with the FNC then he would be in 'firingposition' and then he should held his finger upon the trigger.

So he is doing something within and thats a big mistake, it's a mistake in the safetyprocedure...

contactposition = contacthouding
firingposition = schootshouding

greetz

Den_Bevin
01-14-2007, 07:03 PM
I hope you're right about the SFG, I unfortunately get the feeling they're mostly window dressing for our glorious armed forces. But yeah, I'm sure they do more than meets the eye.
Amen about the Paras needing more action though. Still cant believe they're not going to Lebanon. Is their any unit the army better suited for the Force Protection unit than them?

Sorry I quote older posts but :p

Why should para's better protect our troops in lebanon then the infantry (storm-fuselier)?
The only thing para's can do what the infantry does not is jumping from an airplane ^^

Btw para's cost more then normal infantry. If you know that troops on a mission get twice as much money as they earn at home.... And one mission takes 4 months...

Better take storm-fuseliers then :)

teutateswolf-n
01-14-2007, 08:42 PM
Yes, this time I agree with Den Bevin.
Mechanized infantry can do protection mission as good as the para-commando, and even maybe better than para-commandos.
I don't think that it's the main characteristic of the para-commandos to be "guardians".

But, jumping is not the only thing that the para-commandos can do better than ordinary infantry. In theory, at least, the missions of commandos units or airborne units is not the same than for mechanized infantry. Then, the para-commandos have theoriticaly their own specialities. But, it's true that in the fact the para-commandos are recently used in similar operations than other troops, and just like classic light infantry.

dez000
01-15-2007, 02:59 AM
He is holding the FNC like he is in 'contactposition' so he is not aiming at a target with his weapon and in that position it's forbidden to put the finger on the trigger.

If he had aimed at a target with the FNC then he would be in 'firingposition' and then he should held his finger upon the trigger.

So he is doing something within and thats a big mistake, it's a mistake in the safetyprocedure...

contactposition = contacthouding
firingposition = schootshouding

greetz

I believe the guy has had an accident with his hand and is not actually having his finger on the trigger. I've heard of an instructor in MLD who has something wrong with his hand. I'll ask a good friend of mine who has completed his commando training in MLD recently.

flanker7
01-15-2007, 09:00 AM
http://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/37.jpg

Wow!! Is he holding a Musket?!

Sato
01-15-2007, 09:09 AM
O no! is the gouvernement cutting the defense budget again?

p-)


Anyway, it looks a lot like a musket to me...

neophyte77
01-15-2007, 09:10 AM
Yep, a real gangsta that is

Jagdtiger
01-15-2007, 09:12 AM
these guys are using whatever is in their grasp and if it can shoot that´s nothing too impressive

neophyte77
01-15-2007, 09:17 AM
http://www.polfed-fedpol.be/event/epw-nivelles2005/images/Picture002.jpg

neophyte77
01-15-2007, 09:56 AM
I just wanted to add some pictures but it seems our official military site has been hacked by some Turkisch extremists. So the site is online. LOL:)

Den_Bevin
01-15-2007, 12:38 PM
http://www.polfed-fedpol.be/event/epw-nivelles2005/images/Picture002.jpg

Last saturday I had one like these (blue version) aiming at my ass for a sec.
I went to see some soccer (Lierse-Antwerp, 1-4) My team won btw :p
And they were standing in a small street when some hooligans kicked against a car. They didn't use the canon but still I saw it moving towards us hehe

greetz kev

Sato
01-15-2007, 03:08 PM
I've got a question about the kinds of body armour the Belgian army uses. Do they only use a flak jacket or do they also issue some bullet proof vests with ceramic inserts?
And wich units are issued with what kind of personal protection (deployed units perhaps) ?

And are there some plans to change the camo pattern? Furthermore can anyone tell me if the Belgian army/air force has some tactical troop transport helicopter? All i could find was the A109, wich hardly seems more than a recon/licht attack helicopter.



Thought to post it here since there seem to be a lot of Belgians active in this thread.

dez000
01-15-2007, 03:14 PM
They often used flak vests. Except in Afghanistan where they used an older 'bulletproof' vest used before in the Balkans. Now in Libanon they use the new Norwegian 'bulletproof' vest. I believe several sets of these were ordered, for now they have only have been used overseas but perhaps some units like the Paracommandos might receive them for use in Belgium too. The SFG uses the CIRAS vest if I'm not mistaken.

But I suppose the Belgian soldiers on this forum might have more precise and more correct information. I'd show you a pic of the new body armor but the website is down atm.

Found a pic on the Norwegian manufacturer site:

http://www.nfmcaseb.no/images/products/bal_02.gif
This one has the webbing over it. The Belgian one is in Belgian Camo (woodland and desert)

Sato
01-15-2007, 03:19 PM
Thanks for the information!

I also noticed that the mil.be website wasn't working...

Doomhammer
01-15-2007, 04:22 PM
http://www.sfg.be/media/Afghanistan/37.jpg

Wow!! Is he holding a Musket?!

Dont be so surprised. the Afghans have a lot of old weapons which belonged long time ago to other armies who tried to invade the land. Hell there are even Afghans who are sporting the old lee enfields or old Russian nagant rifles. And a lot of men there build their own weapons and make their own ammunition. The Afghans are very resourceful. No wonder because war raged on for decades.

Doomhammer
01-15-2007, 04:24 PM
O no! is the gouvernement cutting the defense budget again?

p-)


Anyway, it looks a lot like a musket to me...

Sorry to say but it is definitely a musket. I have the same type of rifle. probably the weapon belonged to some British soldier or officer from the colonial period.

Bulabash
01-16-2007, 05:02 AM
Sorry I quote older posts

Why should para's better protect our troops in lebanon then the infantry (storm-fuselier)?
The only thing para's can do what the infantry does not is jumping from an airplane ^^




I hope ure kidding, by the look of your picture you are at the Military High School, if and maybe when you get through there and you happen to go to the School Of Infantry or the School of Artillery I shall see you there and I will show you there is more to it than that.

BTW I think youre an idiot, to you to prove me wrong if yo make it even there.

mikec62001
01-16-2007, 06:50 AM
Are the guys with their faces blurred members of Belgiums Para-Commandos?

I assume this is the case from what they are wearing and the weapons they have

Thanks for the replys in advance. :o)

Eggy
01-16-2007, 06:52 AM
No they're special forces (Belgian SFG).

Den_Bevin
01-16-2007, 07:16 AM
Hey in my platoon there is one guy who came from the Infantry and 3 from the para's.

They all did their training and are soldier (or first soldier)
I only say this because they said that hehe

greetz kev

neophyte77
01-16-2007, 09:03 AM
Thanks for the information!

I also noticed that the mil.be website wasn't working...
It's hacked by Turkisch Extremists p-)

pixor
01-16-2007, 11:29 AM
Thanks for the information!

I also noticed that the mil.be website wasn't working...

yeah, its back online now
it was hacked by some turkish nationalists

neophyte77
01-16-2007, 11:38 AM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=1091

neophyte77
01-17-2007, 09:07 AM
http://users.telenet.be/baf/f16_fa115.jpg
http://users.telenet.be/baf/f16_fa94.JPG
http://users.telenet.be/baf/f16_fa111sqn_75years.jpg
http://users.telenet.be/baf/fa077.flare.jpg
http://users.telenet.be/baf/fa136.flares.jpg
http://users.telenet.be/baf/F-16AM%20BAF%20FA133_2.jpg
http://users.telenet.be/baf/f16_fa94_formation.JPG

neophyte77
01-17-2007, 09:21 AM
C-130H
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135909&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135914&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135916&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135917&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135922&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135925&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135928&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135932&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135913&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135912&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=135910&SIZE=big

kayaker
01-17-2007, 09:25 AM
what does the H denote?

neophyte77
01-17-2007, 09:36 AM
what does the H denote?
I don't now, the only thing I could find about the 'H'
was this

-->

C-130H model

The C-130H model has updated Allison T56-A-15 turboprops, a redesigned outer wing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing), updated avionics and other minor improvements. Later H models had a new, fatigue-life-improved, center wing that was retro-fitted to many earlier H-models. The H model remains in widespread use with the US Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force) (USAF) and many foreign air forces. Initial deliveries began in 1964 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_in_aviation) (to the RNZAF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_New_Zealand_Air_Force)), remaining in production until 1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_in_aviation). An improved C-130H was introduced in 1974 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_in_aviation).
From 1992 to 1996 the C-130H was described as a C-130H3 by the USAF. The 3 denoting the third variation in design for the H series. Improvements included a partial glass cockpit (ADI and HSI instruments), a more capable APN-241 color radar, night vision device compatible instrument lighting and an improved electrical system using Bus Switching Units to provide 'clean' power to the more sensitive upgraded components.

Source: wikipedia

pixor
01-17-2007, 09:39 AM
what does the H denote?

i think the H stands for Hercules

[Odemkirtariy][UA]
01-17-2007, 10:40 AM
Butyfull pics of the F-16.

Zeer schoon gedaan allemaal. Bedankt voor deze foto's.

calimero2
01-17-2007, 10:56 AM
i think the H stands for Hercules

Naaah. That's just a designator for one of the models. There's the C-130A Hercules, C-130B Hercules, C-130E Hercules etc. etc.

TheBelgian
01-17-2007, 11:46 AM
Hehe, anyone else noticed that when you search 'Belgian Military Thread', the first result you get is 'Dutch Military Pictures' and only then this thread....WHAT THE HELL!??

Nice F16 pics btw, love the last one.

kayaker
01-17-2007, 01:38 PM
Hehe, anyone else noticed that when you search 'Belgian Military Thread', the first result you get is 'Dutch Military Pictures' and only then this thread....WHAT THE HELL!??

Nice F16 pics btw, love the last one. :)

first step towards making belgium becoming part of the netherlands again! p-)

TheBelgian
01-17-2007, 01:46 PM
Are you suggesting some sort of united nation where the Dutch do the bidding of their Flemish overlords? Because if so, we should talk to iron out the details

Doomhammer
01-17-2007, 02:12 PM
Hey ,anyone has pis of the LMV in action? It looks like a fine jep to me. Well built to protect the passengers and capable of good terrain qualities.
Oh and btw, will the iveco lmv come in camouflage painting or just the dull khaki version?

gunman
01-17-2007, 02:39 PM
Hey ,anyone has pis of the LMV in action? It looks like a fine jep to me. Well built to protect the passengers and capable of good terrain qualities.
Oh and btw, will the iveco lmv come in camouflage painting or just the dull khaki version?

Just the dull khaki version
Gunman

TheBelgian
01-17-2007, 02:49 PM
Really? Just the khaki? laaaaame... too bad, we should be going for French style camo for vehicles, that'd be sweet. Is the LMV already being delivered?

neophyte77
01-17-2007, 03:09 PM
Really? Just the khaki? laaaaame... too bad, we should be going for French style camo for vehicles, that'd be sweet. Is the LMV already being delivered?
at the end of 2007

neophyte77
01-17-2007, 03:11 PM
http://www.mil.be/aircomp/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=newstext&ID=1784

pixor
01-17-2007, 03:17 PM
xxxxxxxxxx

pixor
01-17-2007, 03:18 PM
at the end of 2007
nope,
it was at the end of 2006, but there is a delay with the delivery's
so its not really certain when there coming

well,at least thats what i'm been told

neophyte77
01-17-2007, 03:43 PM
nope,
it was at the end of 2006, but there is a delay with the delivery's
so its not really certain when there coming

well,at least thats what i'm been told
http://www.mil.be/cav/subject/index.asp?LAN=nl&ID=459&MENU=1101&PAGE=1
At the bottom

Sato
01-21-2007, 04:07 AM
I just saw the Televox documentary on Tv, pretty interesting programme! It featured footage and interviews of Belgian forces serving abroad.
Glad to see our soldiers are helping out where they can!

I guess the video can be downloaded at the mil.be site...

neophyte77
01-21-2007, 06:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXiqyg2FPSc

1Cie GevGn
01-21-2007, 06:40 AM
Wonder if Im ever going to get one of those trucks...

Next week we're going to the engineerschool in Jambes for a whole week, including a dropping at night on wednesday.

Everybody remembers the worst storm in 4 years last thursday?

We were on dropping then too :D it was......entertaining...

dez000
01-21-2007, 07:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/aXiqyg2FPSc

Hmm this works better :p

neophyte77
01-21-2007, 10:21 AM
Hmm this works better :p
god dammit, I'm always doing it wrong:cantbeli:

neophyte77
01-23-2007, 02:12 PM
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=1099
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=1097
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=1095
http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=1093

TheBelgian
01-24-2007, 06:27 AM
haha that Jurassic Flight patch is great. Says a lot about the ***** boxes the nave still has to fly with. Get those damn NH90s in there already! That video was pretty cool but only like 20% of it was actually footage of the Belgian military hehe.

neophyte77
01-24-2007, 07:43 AM
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=146882&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=146885&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=146888&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=146891&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=146892&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=146894&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148186&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148190&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148191&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148192&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148193&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148195&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148197&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148198&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148199&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148202&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148204&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148207&SIZE=big
http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=148219&SIZE=big

TheBelgian
01-24-2007, 08:41 AM
Awesome pictures Neophyte. Whats with the guy's helmet in the first picture. It looks a little like the Dutch helmet... defenitely not the standard issue Belgian one, anyone know the story behind that?

Lone
01-24-2007, 09:38 AM
Awesome pictures Neophyte. Whats with the guy's helmet in the first picture. It looks a little like the Dutch helmet... defenitely not the standard issue Belgian one, anyone know the story behind that?

I think it's just a new helmet cover they got issued. Ask 1cie here on the forums. He has the same helmet.

neophyte77
01-26-2007, 08:20 AM
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/32.JPGSFG (Special Forces Group) training
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/1.jpg
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/10.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/11.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/12.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/13.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/14.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/15.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/16.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/17.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/18.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/19.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/2.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/20.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/21.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/22.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/23.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/24.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/25.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/26.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/27.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/28.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/29.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/3.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/30.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/31.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/33.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/34.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/35.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/36.JPG
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/37.jpg
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/38.jpg
http://www.sfg.be/media/STAGE/39.jpg
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