First Spain, Next Poland

[RomanS]

Crazy world we live in today.

WARSAW (AFX) - President Aleksander Kwasniewski ruled out sending extra troops to Iraq if Spain decides to withdraw its soldiers from a Polish-led multinational force there.

"Poland will not send a single extra soldier to Iraq. We are working according to a precise timetable laid down well in advance and have no troops available," he was quoted as saying on Polish public radio Trojka.

"We do not have the means to send them," he said.

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I seriously wish all the little European countries withdraw from Iraq, and let Russian troops come and help our American brothers.

It pisses me off that Putin didn't send the Russian soldiers to be next to our American warriors.

But I can understand why. Chechnya, and now Adjaria lots of problems to solve there. God I just hope to see our guys there in the future.

Accept we will not back out if we get hit by the terrorists, instead we will respond back in their face. And you know the rest of the storry, Human Rights will be pissed, and bla bla bla bla bla

GOD BLESS USA AND HER TROOPS

[Vance]

Falling like dominoes are we?

[MEGR]

That would be sometin eh? US and Russian troops working side by side in Iraq.

[Herrmannek]

Falling like dominoes are we?

Na this was known from the begining..We haven't money to send more soldiers thats why polish divission is mutinational :)..

[Piotrek]

Huh? I dont get it - Poland is quiet poor county - we have send to Iraq as much soldiers as we could and we canot afford sending next units ..You call this "Falling like dominoes" ?? No one ever said that we are gone increase our presence in Iraq.

[wholagun]

the war is highly upopular in Poland 70% are oppose to the war as in Spain the government went against the public attitude in sending troops. That we can't afford sending in troops thats why US is paying 60% or so of the costs which aren't that high for US but high for us. We can't send any more troops because we can't afford it and the people are pissed as it is already. Many argue that if it were not for the strong affection for the US we wouldn't have sent troops in the first place.

Madrid was better prepared to handel the terrorist attack they had medical supplies and stuff in Warsaw there wouldn't be enough beds for all the victims int he hospitals. If they attack us I don't know what will happen, we may also waver, due to the fact that the ppl like in Spain don't support the war in Iraq and it is a democracy (demos Kratus) people rule.

[Resevoir Hogs]

Ya Poland is doing quite a good job for a new NATO nation. They have 2,400 troops serving alongside us in Iraq. Thank god for nations like Poland. Though I can't say I feel the same gratitude to the vast majority of the electorate in Spain or the new government. Shame on them and their perverted ideas about the state of this world.

[HELEX]

@PermskiiOMON

Putin and the russian people were against the war in Iraq, so it is more than unlikely what you are talking about. :roll:

[Ichhabe]

PermskiiOMON said:


Accept we will not back out if we get hit by the terrorists, instead we will respond back in their face. And you know the rest of the storry, Human Rights will be pissed, and bla bla bla bla bla


...and that is why there were only 1-one kidnapping of Soviets in the Lebanon.

The group that kidnapped those Soviets, did not like the "reply" from Soviet-Union and set them free. Hehe... :P

[Lobo]

as in Spain the government went against the public attitude in sending troops.

Well. This isn't true. Spanish people was against invading Irak but they agreed in sending troops in "humanitarian mission" to hel rebuilding Irak.

The public Centro de Investigaciones Sociológicas (Sociological Reserch Center) makes a public opinion poll every month and these are the results. I can't translate the Spanish expression. Maybe any English speaker

Study 2.481 February 2003

¿Está Ud. muy de acuerdo, bastante, poco o nada de acuerdo con que se produzca una intervención militar contra Irak?

Degree of support to the invasion of Irak.

Muy de acuerdo........... 1.2 high
Bastante de acuerdo.... 4.1 fair
Poco de acuerdo.......... 20.8 low
Nada de acuerdo......... 70.0 nothing
N.S. .......................... 3.4 don't know
N.C. ......................... .4 don't answer

If you split them up between "yes" and "know" you get as conclusion that more than the 90% of Spanish people disagreed with the invasion of Irak.

Study 2508 April 2003

Como Ud. sabe, España ha enviado al conflicto de Irak una fuerza militar en misión humanitaria. ¿Está Ud. muy de acuerdo, bastante de acuerdo, poco de acuerdo o nada de acuerdo con este envío?

Degree of support to the sending of soldiers in "humanitarian mission"

Muy de acuerdo 20.0
Bastante de acuerdo 40.7
Poco de acuerdo 14.5
Nada de acuerdo 20.4
Le es indiferente 1.6
N.S. 2.2
N.C. .6

Splitting it up again in "yes" and "no" we have more than 60% percent of support.

En su opinión, finalizada la guerra de Irak, ¿debe España participar en las acciones internacionales destinadas a la reconstrucción del país?

After the war, should Spain take part in the internacional actions to rebuild the country?

Sí 68.2 yes
No 22.5 no
N.S. 8.2 doen't know
N.C. 1.1 doesn't answer

Get the picture? The USA make a mess, we clean it :)

[SeanAshi]

HELEX you ****ing wanker :P

[Lobo]

Madrid was better prepared to handel the terrorist attack they had medical supplies and stuff in Warsaw there wouldn't be enough beds for all the victims int he hospitals.

Well, it wasn't only about dealing with 201 dead people and more than 1.400 injured ones. In my flat lives an Italian guy that commented that called his attention how much media talked about psychological issues (support to victims, professional counseling to firefighters, paramedics, and even to the psychologist helping victims...) I read terrible things about what firefighters, paramedics and survivors had to see inside those trains.

But I suppose no country is calculating if he can copes with a terrorist attack [edited]... to decided its foreign policy.

[Ratamacue]

I seriously wish all the little European countries withdraw from Iraq, and let Russian troops come and help our American brothers.

It pisses me off that Putin didn't send the Russian soldiers to be next to our American warriors.

Not to incite anything or something like that, but it's funny how far we've come along in the past 15-20 years, don't you think? :)

As for Poland, they're not withdrawing their troops any sooner than was planned. They've done their part, and they really can't afford to maintain a presence in Iraq.

[the_spec]

I think russia has much better things to do than to waste men and money in iraq.

[lekomin]

Crazy world we live in today.

WARSAW (AFX) - President Aleksander Kwasniewski ruled out sending extra troops to Iraq if Spain decides to withdraw its soldiers from a Polish-led multinational force there.

"Poland will not send a single extra soldier to Iraq. We are working according to a precise timetable laid down well in advance and have no troops available," he was quoted as saying on Polish public radio Trojka.

"We do not have the means to send them," he said.

I seriously wish all the little European countries withdraw from Iraq, and let Russian troops come and help our American brothers.

don't put Poland next to Spain please. We won't send any EXTRA soldiers.. 2400 is enough isn't it? June/July would be our 3rd rotation so in all there would be 7200 Polish troops serving in Iraq by then. For the Polish army and for the Polish budget it is a large undertaking (Not to mention we have troops in Bosnia, Kosowo and Afganistan and many UN Missions). Can you point me to any place Russian soldiers are serving outside Russia and outside the CIS? Russians are fighting their own war and don't give a crap about the rest of the world. You might be an exception but if you look at the public opinion in Russia, it is mainly hostile towards USA, NATO and now even EU (Russia - EU relations are at all time low)
take care
lekomin inc
p.s. Raven Shield's great :P

[Royal]

Lekomin - Russia has troops in both Bosnia and Kosovo...

[tony6]

ha ha ha!
Permski-You really have a problem with Poles, don't You?
1) Kwasniewski said that Poland MAY dicrease it's presence in Iraq in 2005 after Iraq elections (for example 1500 soldiers than 2500 right now)
2) there is a NATO conference soon and probably NATO will engage in Iraq (meaning-more NATO forces in Iraq)
3) right now there are 4400 Polish soldiers on different foreign missions (NATO/UN).
Putting some phrases without the context and suggesting that Poland is about to withdraw from Iraq is pathetic...

[wholagun]

Madrid was better prepared to handel the terrorist attack they had medical supplies and stuff in Warsaw there wouldn't be enough beds for all the victims int he hospitals.

Well, it wasn't only about dealing with 201 dead people and more than 1.400 injured ones. In my flat lives an Italian guy that commented that called his attention how much media talked about psychological issues (support to victims, professional counseling to firefighters, paramedics, and even to the psychologist helping victims...) I read terrible things about what firefighters, paramedics and survivors had to see inside those trains.

But I suppose no country is calculating if he can copes with a terrorist attack [edited]... to decided its foreign policy.


Well this and that, Mardrid is/was in better shaped to deal with the wouded. No where in Poland do we have such good facilities and whatnot in any one given city to deal with tallt he wounded that would come in, thus it would lead to greater dead and possibily bigger backlash, but who knows.

[Marmot1]

Madrid was better prepared to handel the terrorist attack they had medical supplies and stuff in Warsaw there wouldn't be enough beds for all the victims int he hospitals.

Well, it wasn't only about dealing with 201 dead people and more than 1.400 injured ones. In my flat lives an Italian guy that commented that called his attention how much media talked about psychological issues (support to victims, professional counseling to firefighters, paramedics, and even to the psychologist helping victims...) I read terrible things about what firefighters, paramedics and survivors had to see inside those trains.

But I suppose no country is calculating if he can copes with a terrorist attack [edited]... to decided its foreign policy.


Well this and that, Mardrid is/was in better shaped to deal with the wouded. No where in Poland do we have such good facilities and whatnot in any one given city to deal with tallt he wounded that would come in, thus it would lead to greater dead and possibily bigger backlash, but who knows.
Wholagun when you were last time in poland???

No one in poland wants to withdraw forces from iraq. This statement by Kwasniewski is rather of political manner. If he would say that we will send aditional troops then spain has an open way to withdraw and keep face "Hey we will withdraw but poles would take our place so everything is ok" But now if there is statement that no one will go instead of spaniards it will be harder to them to retreat and keep face.Since it will look like runing away. I know that most of spanish soldiers want to stay there and help in iraq but unfortunatelly this is not their decision.

[lekomin]

Lekomin - Russia has troops in both Bosnia and Kosovo...
Russia HAD troops in Kosovo and Bosnia :) currently they have none.

SFOR farewell:
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/articles/030620c/t030620c.htm

KFOR farewell:
http://www.nato.int/docu/update/2003/07-july/e0702a.htm
take care
lekomin inc

[wholagun]

Madrid was better prepared to handel the terrorist attack they had medical supplies and stuff in Warsaw there wouldn't be enough beds for all the victims int he hospitals.

Well, it wasn't only about dealing with 201 dead people and more than 1.400 injured ones. In my flat lives an Italian guy that commented that called his attention how much media talked about psychological issues (support to victims, professional counseling to firefighters, paramedics, and even to the psychologist helping victims...) I read terrible things about what firefighters, paramedics and survivors had to see inside those trains.

But I suppose no country is calculating if he can copes with a terrorist attack [edited]... to decided its foreign policy.


Well this and that, Mardrid is/was in better shaped to deal with the wouded. No where in Poland do we have such good facilities and whatnot in any one given city to deal with tallt he wounded that would come in, thus it would lead to greater dead and possibily bigger backlash, but who knows.
Wholagun when you were last time in poland???

No one in poland wants to withdraw forces from iraq. This statement by Kwasniewski is rather of political manner. If he would say that we will send aditional troops then spain has an open way to withdraw and keep face "Hey we will withdraw but poles would take our place so everything is ok" But now if there is statement that no one will go instead of spaniards it will be harder to them to retreat and keep face.Since it will look like runing away. I know that most of spanish soldiers want to stay there and help in iraq but unfortunatelly this is not their decision.

Marmot you crazy hamster, what are you talking about? I didn't say anything about Kwasniewski in any of my posts on this thread not once. I just said what I saw on the TVP report that there are not enough medical beds to go around in Warsaw. I didn't say anything about anyone pulling out, I think you may have misunderstood my post.

[five-five-sixer]

I seriously wish all the little European countries withdraw from Iraq, and let Russian troops come and help our American brothers.
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Russian Texan]

So what happened to "Poland steps up"?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10419

and today I read this
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20040318/ap_on_re_eu/poland_iraq

Guys, you need to make up your mind.

It doesn't look good, realy doesnt....

[mustamato]

GOD BLESS USA AND HER TROOPS

Oh yes yes, but how many Russians in Russia thinks that as well?

[tony6]

It is really susprising that Russian fellows here pay so much attention to Poland and just can't wait to kick us from aside.
Don't You just love phrases like that:


Kingpin: i hope terrorist blow up something big in Poland. It will be moment of truth for you. Have a nice day.

[Russian Texan]

It is really susprising that Russian fellows here pay so much attention to Poland and just can't wait to kick us from aside.


That's what you get for being the way you are ;)
Russians don't have to kick you, you'll do it yourselves...

So are you staying or are you leaving and what happened to all that "Poland and US froverver!" brouhaha?

Being able to finish what you start is what separates "playas" from "playa wannabees"...


А вообще как в том анекдоте: "Нету денег - нехуй строиться..."

[wholagun]

It is really susprising that Russian fellows here pay so much attention to Poland and just can't wait to kick us from aside.


That's what you get for being the way you are ;)
Russians don't have to kick you, you'll do it yourselves...

So are you staying or are you leaving and what happened to all that "Poland and US froverver!" brouhaha?

Being able to finish what you start is what separates "playas" from "playa wannabees"...

Are you blind? Where does it say we are leaving? I have yet to see anything that says that we are leaving or have considered leaving.




А вообще как в том анекдоте: "Нету денег - нехуй строиться..."

[wholagun]

It is really susprising that Russian fellows here pay so much attention to Poland and just can't wait to kick us from aside.


That's what you get for being the way you are ;)
Russians don't have to kick you, you'll do it yourselves...

So are you staying or are you leaving and what happened to all that "Poland and US froverver!" brouhaha?

Being able to finish what you start is what separates "playas" from "playa wannabees"...





А вообще как в том анекдоте: "Нету денег - нехуй строиться..."

Are you blind? Where does it say we are leaving? I have yet to see anything that says that we are leaving or have considered leaving.
God I love it and I wonder if anyone else has noticed how the Russians here always wait for Poland to make the slightest mistake and then jump and critisize. :roll:

edit **** sorry I screwed up the first post and I edit it and acidently double posted.

[tony6]

Well Texan-i don't know where did You get that feeling that we are going to withdraw. Probably You WANTED to read something like that.
You know-those freaking UFO-lovers also see little green creatures everywhere they look.
But I don't believe in UFO-do You?

[wholagun]

If Chechnya is any indication of what would have happened in Iraq then thank god that Russian troops were not in Iraq not only for the Iraqi people of that general area but also the US who'd have to deal with the PR nighmare.

[fdt]

So are you staying or are you leaving and what happened to all that "Poland and US froverver!" brouhaha?
Being able to finish what you start is what separates "playas" from "playa wannabees"...
А вообще как в том анекдоте: "Нету денег - нехуй строиться..."Yeah, degradation from "playas" to "playa wannabes" hurts.

[tony6]

One more thing: can You agree with me that that phrase:
"Kingpin: i hope terrorist blow up something big in Poland. It will be moment of truth for you. Have a nice day" is very nice?
I wonder how would You Russians react if I wrote:
"I hope that those Chechens kill more people in Your subway in Moscow".
That would be quite the reaction I think!
And to Kingpin and others with a good taste: I think You should cool down a little-You will have Your bomb attack in Warsaw which You dream of all the time. Just wait a little bit.

[tony6]

Yeah, degradation from "playas" to "playa wannabes" hurts.
Note that by saying that he's just admitted that Poland is (was?) a "playa".
So what about small country with carrots, Texan?

[fdt]

Yeah, degradation from "playas" to "playa wannabes" hurts.
Note that by saying that he's just admitted that Poland is (was?) a "playa".
So what about small country with carrots, Texan?I meant a different ex-playa... Definitely I didn't write that Poland was a playa"".

[wholagun]

Russian Texan comments such as the about wanting Poland to get bombed just show how barbaric you really are. What there haven't been enough bombings in Moscow and in Russia? What not enough dead Russians, so you wanna see more dead?

Everyone else in the world wants to prevent terrorist attacks, and you on the other hand want more of them so that you can use the dead to prove something to everyone on this forum. Dude that just sick and inhumane.

[RomanS]

Братан,

хорош с баранами спорить, ето тоже самое что чечнятам обьяснять по поводу мира, и нормальной жизни.

Пошли они на хуй

[tony6]

Wholagun-it was a comment made be Kingpin, not Texan!

[Marmot1]

So are you staying or are you leaving and what happened to all that "Poland and US froverver!" brouhaha?
Being able to finish what you start is what separates "playas" from "playa wannabees"...
А вообще как в том анекдоте: "Нету денег - нехуй строиться..."Yeah, degradation from "playas" to "playa wannabes" hurts.
thats why they wish us to fail so we will be on their level... degradation from superpower with nukes to superbegger with nukes certyanly hurts them...

[tony6]

Well Permski-don't You think that sentence:
"i hope terrorist blow up something big in Poland. It will be moment of truth for you. Have a nice day" better fits to what You call "baran"?
As for Your last comment:
paszol w chuj!

[RomanS]

Polish guys
please .

just please

http://www.davno.ru/img/posters/propaganda1/poster_01_61.jpg

[tony6]

fdt:
i was refering to:

Being able to finish what you start is what separates "playas" from "playa wannabees"...
:D

[fdt]

Братан,

хорош с баранами спорить, ето тоже самое что чечнятам обьяснять по поводу мира, и нормальной жизни.

Пошли они на хуй Ehhh Permskij, a ty iz naczala svoe... barany i xyi. Zdes' nikto ne sporitsia eto tolko shutki...

[Marmot1]

So what happened to "Poland steps up"?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10419

and today I read this
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20040318/ap_on_re_eu/poland_iraq

Guys, you need to make up your mind.

It doesn't look good, realy doesnt....
Tell me what is connection betwen admiting that there is no WMD in iraq (Bush did it, Blair too, now Kwasniewski) and polish declaration that we will not withdraw our troops from iraq.

[tony6]

Permski:
Well I tried to stay away from those stupid flame wars lately but when I see something like that:
"i hope terrorist blow up something big in Poland. It will be moment of truth for you. Have a nice day"
I just can't. Sorry. This comment was deffinitely too hardcore.

[RomanS]

Permski:
Well I tried to stay away from those stupid flame wars lately but when I see something like that:
"i hope terrorist blow up something big in Poland. It will be moment of truth for you. Have a nice day"
I just can't. Sorry. This comment was deffinitely too hardcore.

That is messed up

What can I do????

I don't wish Polish people bad. No country deserves a terrorist attack.

Neither does Russian Texan

Kingpin, well ask him why he thinks that.

Its brutal

[VISTREL]

Sux to see bombs explode in Ukraine as they've sent 1600 troops to Iraq, and Im from Ukraine.... :roll:
I am for a total cleansing of camel f00kaz from european and other countries... they come to foreign country, they set rules like they are being at home (like in France, they demand something in schools just for muslims), and they blow **** up...

[tony6]

That is messed up
What can I do????
I don't wish Polish people bad. No country deserves a terrorist attack.
Neither does Russian Texan
Kingpin, well ask him why he thinks that.
Its brutal
Agreed. Sorry-I just lost my temper for a while.
It's just I know that we will be next to come.

Vistrel:
We are the next target now...
****.

[RomanS]

I don't want anyone to be a target.

I'll pray for you Polish folks to stay safe.

We might have different opinions on Chechnya and our politics, but I would hate to see blood in your country.

I'm with you no matter what. F U C K terrorists