(Req) AK-47/AKS series with reddot/laser/Night vision?

[signatory]

I've done a bit of googling but found only some airsoft items with Picatinny rail... Anyone got photos of AK's modified to use the equivalent of western aimpoint, under barrel flashlight, various magnifiers, Night vision scopes etc ?

Anything out of the ordinary would be welcomed :)

[Heron]

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/8830/74mkob0015ts.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[signatory]

interesting... more info on that ?

[Heron]

check this page :)

http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/

it's an amazing site
thx google a lot

[JVeld]

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[Heron]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8189/aks74k42pl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/2282/aks74k31rd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[gaijinsamurai]

Excellent site, Heron!!!!!!!! Kalashnikovs are still my favorite modern rife (along with the FAL!). Thanks for the link!

[Heron]

Excellent site, Heron!!!!!!!! Kalashnikovs are still my favorite modern rife (along with the FAL!). Thanks for the link!

with pleasure :)

more google results here,abt AK family

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http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3826/akeotech4wz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9414/375289018robqleph8uv4st.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Rottweiler]

The modern ones are so sexy. They just scream power.

[tony6]

Check the link:
http://www.altair.com.pl/files/raport/0506/fb.htm

[Nick_Karatzides]

If you liked the above AK pictures, I send you some more AKs with laser / red-dot sight hot pics, under Greek service. Well, what we have in these pics? Mikael's rifles with "standard" or retractable stocks, TDI rails, Aimpoint CompM2 sights, Tacodown grips, Surefire flashlights, laserbeams...etc. Enjoy


Wow - wow - wow! It's not just a job, it's a f@cking adventure!




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[Nick_Karatzides]

Not enough? Well... have some more AK hardcore pictures!


http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/383/akconvertion010ar.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8665/akconvertion023lt.jpg

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/5223/akconvertion032ns.jpg

[el_kab0ng]

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[Resurrection]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3041/akris030tj.jpg

Is that really necessary?

[el_kab0ng]

Which part?

The AR collapsible stock?

The FAL grip?

The Surefire light?

The Aimpoint?

Basically someone trying to turn an AK into an AR... as most AR fags feel their weapons need an additional 15lbs of crap hanging off.. =P

http://www.reject.org/pr0ject/pictolas/AK.jpg

[Catch22]

We've had this argument before el_Kab0ng if you remember...

So what's wrong with having improved ergonomics, controls and all the modern (usefull in combat, mind you) accesories AND AK system reliability again? You can always take the toys off if you're so oldschool.

We're not talking about some vintage collectors item but tools of the trade for some SF units - look at Slovenians, look at our guys - theyre not putting EOTechs or Surefires on their guns just for the looks.

[Resurrection]

Well yeah, but I meant the little bits and pieces of tape. Looks like he spent an awful long time doing something that would give minimal benefit if any at all.

Why not just do this instead? Much easier at least.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7209/istarpulka1pt.jpg

[Nick_Karatzides]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3041/akris030tj.jpg

Is that really necessary?Covering the rifle with WHITE tapes seem to have very good results when operating at snow covered areas. I send you three more additional pictures for example.

PS. The right person on the first picture is me (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=15649). The right person on the second picture (spotter) and the person shown in the third picture also, is my good friend Dark Avenger (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=12246).


http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4185/aksnow018yi.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5034/aksnow028st.jpg

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[Resurrection]

Yeah I meant the actual little bits and pieces.

[Hydro]

Nick, what kind of AK is that? It looks like a Saiga shotgun going on magazine size, but the barrel's too thin for that, is it in 7.62 NATO/Russian?

[Lazarou]

I've done a bit of googling but found only some airsoft items with Picatinny rail... Anyone got photos of AK's modified to use the equivalent of western aimpoint, under barrel flashlight, various magnifiers, Night vision scopes etc ?

Anything out of the ordinary would be welcomed :)

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71530


Nick, what kind of AK is that? It looks like a Saiga shotgun going on magazine size, but the barrel's too thin for that, is it in 7.62 NATO/Russian?

Looks like a Saiga-410K shotgun.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/79/saiga410k2ep.jpg

[Hydro]

Could be, but isn't .410 a little limited in application - certainly for military operations?

[Nick_Karatzides]

Which part? The AR collapsible stock? The FAL grip? The Surefire light? The Aimpoint? Basically someone trying to turn an AK into an AR... as most AR fags feel their weapons need an additional 15lbs of crap hanging off.. =P


http://www.reject.org/pr0ject/pictolas/AK.jpg



Well, I can understand that placing all these hi-tec add-ons on this AK may seem like an "trying-to-convert-to-a-M16" action.

To tell you the truth, I've tryied to use the AK as it made by the factory. I must say that all these hi-tec add-ons help the operator 200% during combat or a CQB situation.

An AK might look more "accurate" with its "wooden dress" as a vintage collector's item, but an Aimpoint CompM2 sight may drop the sighting time to 1/4 than trying to get the sights on target when using the original iron sights. On the other hand, a retractable stock may be a very usefull tool for short or long handed operators or when wearing a booletproof vest or heavy winter clothing. Please consider that an operator use this rifle for REAL life action, when people die.

So, if I had a chance to own an AK as a vintage item into my private arms collection in my house, I'd have a "wooden dress" AK - I guarantee that! But if I had to use an AK to fight, I'd prefer the "tactical dress".

After all... I thought that this tread is about AK / AKS series with reddot, laser, Night vision (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1674760). Right?

[Lazarou]

Could be, but isn't .410 a little limited in application - certainly for military operations?

Never heard of .410 shotties being used by any military, but (AFAIK) .410 shotguns are quite popular as home defence guns in the US. Even a "little limited" .410 slug can do a lot of damage in CQB.

[Wamba]

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[Lazarou]

Lots of photos of pimped-up Sako M92S, Arsenal M1, Norinco 56S, Saiga M3 EXP-01 and other semiautomatic AK-based weapons can be found here:

Gallery #1:
http://www.toiminta-ampujat.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=18&sid=07c78fd7b0a680c37c636a9f76465442

Gallery #2:
http://www.toiminta-ampujat.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=440&sid=07c78fd7b0a680c37c636a9f76465442

Gallery #3:
http://www.toiminta-ampujat.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1070&sid=07c78fd7b0a680c37c636a9f76465442

Gallery #4:
http://www.toiminta-ampujat.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2565&sid=07c78fd7b0a680c37c636a9f76465442

Lots of nice AR, AUG, FAL, G3 and SIG pics too.

[el_kab0ng]

Since I seem to be the only one who defends the non-use of accessories, I'll answer those in the order they were received.


We've had this argument before el_Kab0ng if you remember...

So what's wrong with having improved ergonomics, controls and all the modern (usefull in combat, mind you) accesories AND AK system reliability again? You can always take the toys off if you're so oldschool.

We're not talking about some vintage collectors item but tools of the trade for some SF units - look at Slovenians, look at our guys - theyre not putting EOTechs or Surefires on their guns just for the looks.

Go anywhere in the 3rd world and find batteries for an Aimpoint in the field. The more crap you rely on, the worst shape you'll be in when you can't find any replacement parts. Guys who use non-issued (and sometimes issued) Surefires are learning this the hard way.


An AK might look more "accurate" with its "wooden dress" as a vintage collector's item, but an Aimpoint CompM2 sight may drop the sighting time to 1/4 than trying to get the sights on target when using the original iron sights. On the other hand, a retractable stock may be a very usefull tool for short or long handed operators or when wearing a booletproof vest or heavy winter clothing. Please consider that an operator use this rifle for REAL life action, when people die.

See above.

Now for my own personal experience. I train hard and often with combloc weapons for a reason. I was recently required to participate in a PSD Rifle Course using an AR carbine. I dusted off my trusty M4A3 with Aimpoint and standard supporting gear (ARMS backup rear irons) and worked my way through 2 days of intense training.

25 minutes into the class and I decided to ditch the Aimpoint. I found that fast acquisition was actually SLOWER using the Aimpoint than using standard irons. Aside from that, the Aimpoint was a major distraction that I did not need, so taking it off benefitted me in more ways than one.

I firmly believe that one should train like you fight, fight like you train, but train for the lowest common denomenator.

What works for you is probably not what works for me. I'm not SF nor have I ever pretended to be, but I know that my gear works under some of the harshest conditions possible.

[corran.pl]

http://img1.imageshack.us/img1/8969/dsc028907ov2qo8xm2rh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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http://img1.imageshack.us/img1/4805/5149960nc1ys2lw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Scaar.at]

'ZNICH' AK underbarrel tactical searchlight

http://www.rusmilitary.com/images/ak_searchlight.jpg

http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/ak_searchlight.htm

[signatory]

good photos all around... interesting to see all the available options out there.

[Wamba]

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[sct1886]

A couple of custom. Saiga-12 and a Hungarian AMD-65 custom.

[Resurrection]

What's the Saiga-12's effective range?

[Lazarou]

What's the Saiga-12's effective range?

That of any other 12 shotgun that fires 12 inch (76 mm) rounds. About 40 meters with shots and about 75 meters with slugs - depending on the ammo used.

[Resurrection]

Okay thanks.

[pretorian669]

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[VISTREL]

Masturbated and came! Great pics!

[jipman]

12 gauge = 0.73"

[Nick_Karatzides]

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[Heron]

nice pics nick :)

[ABNINF]

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[Nick_Karatzides]

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[eindhoven]

Since I seem to be the only one who defends the non-use of accessories, I'll answer those in the order they were received.



Go anywhere in the 3rd world and find batteries for an Aimpoint in the field. The more crap you rely on, the worst shape you'll be in when you can't find any replacement parts. Guys who use non-issued (and sometimes issued) Surefires are learning this the hard way.


I firmly believe that one should train like you fight, fight like you train, but train for the lowest common denomenator.



I agree with you completely. It's reached the ridiculous. But what do you expect when Law Enforcement add ons make their way military or vice versa. The two roles are becoming more merged and that is what is leading all the BS.

You brought up a good point about batteries. It affects everything. We may own the night but not once the battery supplies run out. God forbid we have a logistics problem because of a large scale attack.

It will always be a matter of preference and mission tailoring as well as SOP. Personally, I believe in economy of fire and marksmanship not all this crap to help someone hit something and I dont care how effective it might be, all that sh*t on the end of the stick drops the amount of time it takes to get rounds off and get a good sight picture.

Nuff said.

[Nick_Karatzides]

Click HERE (http://secure.netsolhost.com/575571.587307/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOAL&Product_Code=FA4702) for a Kalashnikov AK-47 under folder with 4-rail TDI tactical picture


http://secure.netsolhost.com/575571.587307/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/TDI%20Polish%20Under%20Folder_fs.jpg

[KillerBD]

I like these pictures

[Jippo]

I agree with you completely. It's reached the ridiculous. But what do you expect when Law Enforcement add ons make their way military or vice versa. The two roles are becoming more merged and that is what is leading all the BS.

You brought up a good point about batteries. It affects everything. We may own the night but not once the battery supplies run out. God forbid we have a logistics problem because of a large scale attack.

It will always be a matter of preference and mission tailoring as well as SOP. Personally, I believe in economy of fire and marksmanship not all this crap to help someone hit something and I dont care how effective it might be, all that sh*t on the end of the stick drops the amount of time it takes to get rounds off and get a good sight picture.

Nuff said.

I train with irons, BUT:

1. If you do not have light when going into to a dark room you are busted.

2. With scope you can hit targets further away with better consistency.

3. With red dot you'll be faster. Especially so if there is limited training possibilities.

4. Suppressor hides your ballistic signature, removes muzzle flash, and protects your ears.

It is not very smart to say that these aren't advantages, and equally stupid to say not to use them if available. As said I train with irons so that I will manage when that is all I have left, but when you are in a bad situation it is stupid not to use any and all the leverage you can get to win the fight.


-jippo

[unpredictable]

Sorry one question Grecce has AKs in service?in what services? thanks for the pics

[Nick_Karatzides]

Sorry one question Grecce has AKs in service? In what services? Thanks for the pics
Hellenic Police Dpt is equiped with limited quantities of Kalashnikov AK-47/74/100s & multi-clone AK rifles, usualy issued to Hellenic Police Dpt SpecOps units.
Hellenic Coast Guard is also equiped with a limited number of Kalashnikov AK-47s, issued only to to Hellenic Coast Guard SpecOps/frogmen unit.
The Greek-Cypriot armed forces are equiped with Yugoslavian made AK clones too. I assume that same armament for Greek-Cypriot police.
Hellenic Police Dpt.
AKs in Greek service

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/738/hpd12rd3.jpg

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6160/hpd04pu2.jpg


Greek Cypriot Army
AKs in Greek service



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http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7932/cyc45sy.jpg


I hope that helps. :)

[madpendos]

I can tolerate various scopes on AK but that hand handle just makes it look like AR15.

[unpredictable]

Hellenic Police Dpt is equiped with limited quantities of Kalashnikov AK-47/74/100s & multi-clone AK rifles, usualy issued to Hellenic Police Dpt SpecOps units.
The Greek-Cypriot armed forces are equiped with Yugoslavian made AK clones too. I assume that same armament for Greek-Cypriot police.I hope that helps. :)

thanks men:)

[He219]

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Russian airborne soldiers coordinate with paratroops' combat vehicles to attack targets during a forced isolation drill in east China's Shandong Province, Thursday, Aug 25, 2005. Chinese and Russian troops launched the drill as the last item of actual combat in the joint military exercise dubbed "Peace Mission 2005" on Thursday. Chinese Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan and his Russian counterpart Sergei Ivanov observed the exercise. (Xinhua Photo/Wang Jianmin)