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rafaelcb
03-18-2004, 09:27 AM
Just in case someone doubted

(Translation by Google)

THREE IN ALCALA OF HENARES, ANOTHER ONE IN THE NORTH OF SPAIN

Four more north africans arrested by their relation with 11-M


MADRID . - One week after 11-M, already there are nine arrested by his implication in the attacks. To the five arrested the Saturday last, according to legal sources, other four people of magrebí origin add themselves today. One of them is considered author material of the attacks. Three have been stopped in the zone of Alcala de Henares-Meco and another one in Gijón.

Other sources specify that two of the prisoners today are Moroccan.

The three stopped in the zone of Alcala are in the police dependencies of the Police in Taps, where a forense of the National Hearing has certified its good state of health.

Fourth stopped it is being transferred to Madrid from Gijón. This last one was looked for by the attacks of Casablanca.

To the four, like a the previous ones, the Antiterrorist Law has been applied to them and are incomunicados.

The four have been stopped as a result of the declaration of an employee of locutorio of Jamal Zougam - one of the five stopped Saturday in the Madrilenian district of Lavapiés.

The police, in addition, has practiced registries during all the night in Madrid.

The judge of the National Hearing Juan of the Elm tree today begins to take the five declaration to lengthy Saturday. One is the Moroccan subjects Jamal Zougam, Mohamed Chaoui and Mohamed Bekkali , and of the Indians Suresh Kumar and Vinay Kholy .

As soon as the prisoners arrive at the dependencies of the National Hearing will have to wait for to that the judge Of the Elm tree reads the police report, which could cause that the declaration of the prisoners is delayed until first hours of afternoon .

The five imputed were stopped last Saturday , two days after the attacks, in Madrid. The Police suspects that Jamal Zougam , born 31 years ago in Tánger, was one of the material authors of the slaughter of "the trains of the death" and, apparently, a witness would have recognized to him traveling in the train that exploded already in the platform of the station of Atocha.

To the five stopped the antiterrorist law was applied to them , reason why they can be retained in police dependencies up to five days, term that finishes today.

Jamal Zougam affirmed during its declaration in police dependencies that over him "is only God" and that "the only thing that worries to me is God".

Zougam was stopped by agents of the National Police to first hour of afternoon of last day 13 in the Madrilenian district of Lavapiés. The track that lead to Zougam and other two Moroccans, as well as to the halting of both citizen Indians, was a knapsack that did not get to explode and that was transferred by the Police, next to other supposed personal effects of died and wounded, until a police station of the district of Vallecas without knowledge that contained an explosive. At night it already sounded the movable telephone that acted of detonator, but without it got to explode.

The TEDAX transferred the device to a park previously surrounded and managed to deactivate the explosive. The tracking of the card prepayment of the telephone and the own terminal lead up to two Indian citizens of Alcobendas, Suresh Kumar and Vinay Kholy, who presumably sold thirteen moving bodies and their cards to the lengthy Moroccans.

The halting of Zougam, Mohamed Chaoui and Mohamed Bekkali took place in locutorio of the Tribulete street that could run the three . Known in the district to have had several businesses, Zougam would have been gotten up by its knowledge of computer science that allowed "to release" the movable telephones him.

Hours after their halting began to appear the first indications that related to Zougam to the Islamic extremism and the supposed leader of A the Qaeda in Spain, ' Abu Dahdah'. Indeed this last one, which it is in prison by his presumed responsibility in the attacks of 11-S, will declare today before the judge of the National Hearing Balthasar Garzón .

Judicial office of support

On the other hand, the Room of Government of the National Hearing decided yesterday the creation a judicial office support to the court instruction number 6, whose holder is Juan of the Elm tree, where investigate the terrorist attacks.

According to the National Hearing informed, by the characteristics of the procedure and to come to a suitable instruction and effective control of the performances it remembered open separated pieces of deceaseds, injured and harmed material.

All these pieces will be transacted of independent way in the new judicial office that will be directed by judge Juan of the Elm tree and that will have a judicial secretary, six forenses civil employees and three doctors, one of them with knowledge or specialized in psychiatry.

As far as the average materials, it will be needed that the premises possibly are in the ground floor of the building that finally is designated, outside the Hearing National but next to this court, to facilitate the fast access of any person, specially of the injured ones by the attack.

Miles Teg
03-18-2004, 02:39 PM
Good news. Lets the professional work.

Cheer up Spain !

IsdatU
03-18-2004, 03:45 PM
Trying to save face after their embarassing capitulation.

Haiw
03-18-2004, 03:50 PM
It's our favorite looney showcasing his utter lack of understanding again! All bow for the Surpreme Priest of Holy Bull****.

Lobo
03-18-2004, 04:22 PM
So far there are 10 suspected terrorist under police custody and the investigation goes on.

Certain interesting things have happened in the last days.

-An European antiterrorist summit is going to take place in Spain. I have found in the newspapers articles on the declared need of an European integrated inteligence service. Maybe we won't see an European CIA but the need of much more collaboration to face global threats.

-The leaving and the incoming goverment have agreed on giving to the Spanish armed force a wider role in the fight against terrorism.

-José Bono has been appointed as new defense minister. He's a top leader inside the Socialist Party and considered a hardliner against Basque nationalism inside Socialist Party. That means defense issues are not going to be secondary in this term.

Kriz
03-18-2004, 04:25 PM
Trying to save face after their embarassing capitulation.

Capitulation ? Wow you're even more stupid then the crap you post. Ever heard of a thing called dictionary ? Probably not :roll:

butkus
03-18-2004, 04:43 PM
Trying to save face after their embarassing capitulation.

Capitulation ? Wow you're even more stupid then the crap you post. Ever heard of a thing called dictionary ? Probably not :roll:

ca·pit·u·la·tion (k-pch-lshn) noun
The act of surrendering or giving up. See Synonyms at surrender.
A document containing the terms of surrender.
An enumeration of the main parts of a subject; a summary.

What is wrong with his use of capitulation?

Haiw
03-18-2004, 04:54 PM
...the fact that they didn't surrender or give up.

Benny
03-18-2004, 05:25 PM
Is Zapatero going to call Osama for the Spanish foreign affairs ministry? What happened to the Spanish people? They never capitulated before against ETA and now elect a coward prime minister, leaving them on their knees before the terrorists!? Aren't you ashamed? How is it that you never turned back on the Perejil issue, againt a whole country, and now turn your backs this way? I'm shocked... I always thought Spain was a proud nation, but I'm really disappointed now. Well, looks like France and Germany have a new friend. I guess one can never be quite sure about who our neighbours are...

Lobo
03-18-2004, 05:40 PM
Shut the **** up, morons.

seruriermarshal
03-18-2004, 06:57 PM
Ha Ha Ha , spain find somthing .

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

SOG
03-18-2004, 07:16 PM
i dont think spain is giving up or surrendering per sei, i think they are doing what they can with the current climate, political switching etc.

on the other hand let me play the evil lefty.

""well those ten people they found are probably not even guilty, just semi related in some way and spain is desperately looking for any person/clues it can find to substantiate it war on terror.""

in a month the red cross will be bitching on spains door about the treatment of the prisoners and asking spain to make public its proof in the matter against national security. rofl

yah its about that funny when they post that about pakistan prisoners in US custody. too bad we wont hear the usual bitches bitch about any other countries "rough" treatment of prisoners.

i personally think they should ****ing **** kick the prisoners till they cry or talk and find the **** sucks who did this bombing. **** terrorists and **** anyone on thier side.

seruriermarshal
03-18-2004, 07:32 PM
Spain Will Legalise Gay 'Marriages' - Zapatero


Spain Will Legalise Gay 'Marriages' - Zapatero

Thu Mar 18, 2004 04:04 PM ET

MADRID (*******) - Spain will legalize gay unions, although it may not call them marriages, incoming prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said on Thursday, but he did not set a time-frame for the move.

"We are going to present a bill to set gay unions on the same footing as marriage," he said in an interview on Spain's Telecinco television channel.

"From a semantic point of view marriage may be a concept that does not cover this type of union, but it will have the same legal effects," he added.

During the outgoing center-right government's two terms in office, opposition politicians in mainly Catholic Spain made several attempts to legalize same-*** marriage.

Zapatero, who swept to a surprise victory in general elections on Sunday, made legalizing gay unions one of his campaign pledges.

The Vatican condemns same *** unions.


Thank you Mr. Zapatero , rofl

Haiw
03-18-2004, 07:37 PM
WTF does that have to do with anything?!

German_American
03-18-2004, 07:40 PM
wow I didn't expect gay unions in Spain. I thought they were insanly Catholic. Soon abortions will be available in every hospital in Spain.

butkus
03-18-2004, 07:49 PM
...the fact that they didn't surrender or give up.

I for one don't think they did either. I was just asking Kriz what was wrong with the way IsdatU used the word capitulation, especially when he references the use of the dictionary.

ogukuo72
03-18-2004, 08:07 PM
It doesn't matter anymore, one way or the other, what the reality is.

The impression given is that Al-Qaeda had succeeded in influencing the election of a democratic country in a way favourable to its long term goals. It had "forced" a country to turn away from the US and withdraw troops from Iraq. That's what many of us think here.

This cannot be changed no matter how many arrests Spain makes. There's only one way in which this impression can be reversed - if Spain reinforces its troops in Iraq to demonstrate its resolution. Which is - of course - precisely what is NOT happening.

IsdatU
03-19-2004, 03:35 AM
WTF does that have to do with anything?!

First they punk out after getting hit by terrorists, then they legalize "gay marriage".

Just goes to show how far that Spain has declined. I can remember when Spanish men were thought to be virile. Now they are just weak faggots.

Ah well, this sort of decadence is what brought the decline and fall of Rome. History repeats itself.

rafaelcb
03-19-2004, 03:45 AM
Somehow I am pretty sure you live in S.F. :roll:

Anyway, stop bashing Spain at least until the troops are actually withdrawn. (Which I very much doubt will happen, and there are plenty of signs of this)

We have been fighting terrorism far longer than you have been alive and we have never given up. Last year we lost 67 fine men returning from Afghanistan and no one (not even the PSOE) asked for the return of the troops from Afghanistan.

The PSOE said that they would bring the troops from Irak when they were not thinking about being in power. Mr Zapatero confirmed this hours after the election, but since then he has said nothing. He has a few months to find an excuse why the troops will remain in spite of his promises.

A final thought: Do you think Bush would have benn re-elected if there would have been Presidential Elections on 14-S-2001?

Haiw
03-19-2004, 05:38 AM
WTF does that have to do with anything?!

First they punk out after getting hit by terrorists, then they legalize "gay marriage".

Just goes to show how far that Spain has declined. I can remember when Spanish men were thought to be virile. Now they are just weak faggots.

Ah well, this sort of decadence is what brought the decline and fall of Rome. History repeats itself.
Weren't you banned? Geez... oh well, time to ban again then.

Lobo
03-19-2004, 08:30 AM
I read today an article by Charles Krauthammer in the Washington Post. He had no clue about Spanish poltics but repeat again the wrong idea that people changed their mind and vote for the Socialist Party just to get our troops back and avoid future Al Qaeda attacks.

It's quite worrying that the only superpower that remains in the world manage such poor information in other countries affairs. Long time ago a Brazilian journalist wrote an article in English in one of the main newspaper of his country. He said that considering that the most important decisions on foreign affairs were taken by the Washignton administration, institutions like World Bank and International Monetary Fund, all Brazilians newspapers should be published in English to let all those decision makers understand well Brazilian life.

Kellhound
03-19-2004, 11:05 AM
Forget that loony californian.
He's always like that.

Schwabo Elite
03-19-2004, 11:22 AM
I think the upcoming conference of EU ministers of interior affairs is a great opportunity for the EU and especially for the countries who are geographically or by means of large population numbers close to fundamental islamic terror.

I think it is a great sign of competence and insight for Spain to host this conference. Contradicting certain shortsighted views I do not hink that electing Zapatero, pulling out of Iraq and legalizing gay partnerships is in any way a sign of weakness, rather a step into a common future. Welcome back Spain!

SE

Mr Gently Benevolent
03-19-2004, 12:06 PM
Honduras is pulling out of Iraq this year I believe.

Lobo
03-19-2004, 04:35 PM
I think that countries like Nicaragua, Rep. Dominicana, El Salvador and Honduras sent troops for a year at least, but without saying how long would be there. Rep. Dominicana has suffered a deep economical crisis and Nicaragua is among the poorest countries of American continent.