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daily666
05-25-2006, 07:01 AM
WARSAW, Poland -
By DAVID McHUGH, Associated Press Writer


Poland gave German-born Pope Benedict XVI an enthusiastic welcome Thursday as he started a four-day visit aimed at honoring predecessor John Paul II and furthering German-Polish reconciliation from the wounds of World War II.

Benedict beamed broadly and waved as he descended from the plane, and managed to keep his skullcap from flying off in a brisk breeze — unlike his arrival on his first foreign trip in Germany last year.

A choir sang "The Barge," John Paul's favorite song — just one sign of how the late pope remains a strong presence in Poland more than a year after his death.

Some of the frenzied anticipation that characterized native son John Paul's visits, when thousands jammed the streets before dawn, was lacking, with fewer people turning out to hold yellow and white
Vatican flags and watch the pope pass by.

Benedict tried some Polish with his formal hello to the honor guard: "Greetings, soldiers," but stumbled a bit over the words.

He drew a roar of applause, however, as he launched into his welcoming speech — in Polish, later switching to Italian.

"I have very much wanted to make this visit to the native land and people of my beloved predecessor, the servant of God John Paul II," Benedict said. "I have come to follow in the footsteps of his life."

Benedict is delivering speeches in Italian — which he speaks well — and Polish, which he doesn't, but not in German, presumably out of regard for the feelings of the wartime generation in Poland, which suffered enormously at the hands of the Nazi invaders.

But Poles like Benedict's emphasis on continuing John Paul's legacy, and don't seem to mind that he is German despite the memory of the war — which left Warsaw in ruins.

High points on Benedict's schedule will include a Mass on Friday in central Warsaw where John Paul inspired the Solidarity movement with a landmark appearance in 1979 during communist rule. Then he heads for the late pope's hometown of Wadowice, and for Krakow, where John Paul served as archbishop.

On Sunday Benedict visits the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp, where Nazi German occupiers killed some 1.5 million people, most of them Jews. The visit by a German-born pope who was enrolled in the Hitler Youth and later deserted the German army as the war ended in 1945 is fraught with significance for Catholic-Jewish relations, a favorite cause of John Paul, who also visited Auschwitz on his 1979 trip to Poland.

Asked by journalists on the plane how he felt about visiting Auschwitz as a German, Benedict said, "I am above all a Catholic. I must say that this is the most important point."

"It's not the same as with our pope," said 75-year-old Wanda Nowicka, who was waiting on a downtown street to watch Benedict pass by on his way to his first stop at Warsaw's Cathedral of St. John the Baptist.

"Our pope said this is my country. He knew what our problems were, he understood them, he cared. I was in Warsaw during World War II and the Warsaw Uprising, you can't imagine what we suffered from the Germans. But when I think of Benedict, this does not matter, I don't think of him as German.

Retired teacher Elzbieta Schmidt, 60, said she arrived two hours early to get a good place but had no trouble finding a bench. "I'm shocked and ashamed that so few people are here," she said. "Maybe this is because people are working now, because I'm sure the interest and enthusiasm must be great and I hope the crowd will get bigger later."

The 1944 uprising — by Polish guerrillas against the occupying Germans — was met with terrible retaliation by German dictator Adolf Hitler that left the capital a heap of rubble.

Jadwiga Gasiar, 69, stood holding a papal flag. "I don't have the same feelings as I used to when John Paul was coming," she said. "This is a different feeling now. I came to welcome him warmly but it's not the same. And it does not matter that he is a German."

Shortly after his election last year, Benedict said he saw a "providential design" in the fact that a Polish pope was succeeded by a German one.

"Both popes in their youth — both on different sides and in different situations — were forced to experience the barbarity of the Second World War," Benedict said.

uTu
05-25-2006, 07:09 AM
good to see I guess, showing regards like this

Durandal
05-25-2006, 07:39 AM
Going to Poland because the rest of Western Europe is a "Pagan sanctuary".

p-)

Asheren
05-25-2006, 11:21 AM
Durandal you would be supprised how many peoples here say same thing you would be less happy if you hear what ideas they got to fix it.

Problem is that his visit was changed in to political spectacle. Every faction from protesting doctors throu catholic-nationalists to liberals have hope that pope will say something to backup their intrests and let them harnass some public support from mases of catholics. It might also define direction where Polish church will head. Still traditional but more open church or hard line ofen intolerant and antisemitic nationalistic verison supported by some of our politicians and church officials. Its quite importatn because recent polls showed that Polish catholic majority is geting more radical recently. Amount of peoples that share church view on abortion, anticonception and homo******ity is incrasing. Its slightly incrase but also amount of peoples that have more libelar view decrased greatly in favor of peoples that are bewen those two postions. It might mean that our catholics are slowly sliping in to radicalism but also can mean that peoples know from where wind blows. In our contry faith can be diffrence bewen having job and not having it especialy with our current government. Many of our politicians especialy from opostion have hope that Pope will remind church officials to remain neutral and not support any political faction.

Elmo
05-25-2006, 01:33 PM
I'm in Krakow during the visit and what I hear there's an alcohol ban the whole weekend...in the whole malopolska region. Incredible. But one must respect that.

Knutsen
05-25-2006, 02:19 PM
I'm in Krakow during the visit and what I hear there's an alcohol ban the whole weekend...in the whole malopolska region. Incredible. But one must respect that.

No, one can't respect that. That's a very dangerous attitude. He's the Pope, nothing more nothing less, he's only a MAN.
Why does EVERYONE has to see their freedom reduced during a couple of days just because there's a MAN whose ideas are OPTIONALLY followed?

I can understand the typical measures when a Head of State visits another, but that is just going tooooooo far

Asheren
05-25-2006, 03:23 PM
They also closed all shooting ranges, not sure about gun stroes but i wouldn't be suprised that they did it too. Some officials wanted to declare martial law in limited area soo all gunowners had to pass their firearms to nearby Police stations for duration of pope visit. Fortunatly they withdraw from that idea after they realised potential consequences and that Police have no place to store such amount of firearms. Head of our minstry of education (hardcore catholic-nationalist) declared one day during pope visit free from school soo kids can meet with pope. Government also asked employers to give their workers a free day soo they also can go to see pope.

daily666
05-25-2006, 05:29 PM
No, one can't respect that. That's a very dangerous attitude. He's the Pope, nothing more nothing less, he's only a MAN.
Why does EVERYONE has to see their freedom reduced during a couple of days just because there's a MAN whose ideas are OPTIONALLY followed?

I can understand the typical measures when a Head of State visits another, but that is just going tooooooo far


Yeah I agree, but you must understand it's Poland and the current rulers of this country are catholic zealots, so in this situation you have to buy your stock of beer much earlier.

Durandal
05-26-2006, 07:35 AM
I'm in Krakow during the visit and what I hear there's an alcohol ban the whole weekend...in the whole malopolska region. Incredible. But one must respect that.

Sure, if you want a State run and influenced by the Church.

Most of us do not.

Moledet
05-26-2006, 07:52 AM
He's an ass.

Durandal
05-26-2006, 08:22 AM
They also closed all shooting ranges, not sure about gun stroes but i wouldn't be suprised that they did it too. Some officials wanted to declare martial law in limited area soo all gunowners had to pass their firearms to nearby Police stations for duration of pope visit. Fortunatly they withdraw from that idea after they realised potential consequences and that Police have no place to store such amount of firearms. Head of our minstry of education (hardcore catholic-nationalist) declared one day during pope visit free from school soo kids can meet with pope. Government also asked employers to give their workers a free day soo they also can go to see pope.


That is absolutely crazy.

daily666
05-26-2006, 09:07 AM
He's an ass.

Who?

..........

tyovan
05-26-2006, 03:08 PM
Head of our minstry of education (hardcore catholic-nationalist) declared one day during pope visit free from school soo kids can meet with pope.

Is that minister with the League of Polish Families party?

Switek
05-26-2006, 03:12 PM
Is that minister with the League of Polish Families party?


Yeap, Roman Giertych, leader of League of Polish Families, my personal nightmare...

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
05-26-2006, 03:14 PM
Yup it's the (in)famous Roman G.

http://pd.un.cz/files/pix/Polish_Beauty/Giertych.jpg

:cantbeli:

daily666
05-26-2006, 03:36 PM
Yup it's the (in)famous Roman G.

http://pd.un.cz/files/pix/Polish_Beauty/Giertych.jpg

:cantbeli:


a.k.a. "The Horse"

corran.pl
05-28-2006, 11:19 AM
Some pictures with Pope. Note security.

http://m.onet.pl/_m/573abf27ca0473f1bdb70e1def8d52c8,21,1.jpg
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Durandal
05-28-2006, 01:19 PM
Doesn't look like a lot of people on the streets.

Did they control that?

Asheren
05-28-2006, 02:15 PM
Yes there was much less peoples than expected.

Intresting thing is that yester day somone attacked main Polish rabin. Young person around 25 came to him when he was walking on the street and said. "Poland for Poles" then when Rabin turned around and wanted to talk with attacker, he hit him in chest and spreead some sort of gas then he runned away. Police immediatly after reciving information searched area but attacker wasn't caught. Main Rabin said that he don't think it was some sort of plot trying to use Pope visit. Main Police HQ will oversee this case directly to ensure that person that attacked mr. Schudrich will be caught.

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
05-28-2006, 02:38 PM
Some pictures with Pope. Note security.
http://m.onet.pl/_m/3977b443a60d2d2b6ccfa8c408539467,21,1.jpg


That "mysterious" G-Wagen is especially interesting... It probably carries some EW equipment.



Yes there was much less peoples than expected.
Todays evening news reported that there was actually more people than expected :-P

corran.pl
05-28-2006, 02:43 PM
Doesn't look like a lot of people on the streets.

Did they control that?

Is that enought for you?

http://m.onet.pl/_m/278f1a5ffbc5ec51afa2d94d795914f7,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/d1b8937e1c7dc6b6112a3e5b220ceabe,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/52ee26618e7f0859cfa0dec8bc234894,21,1.jpg
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http://m.onet.pl/_m/7df270f14f22e85580ea1340ae90b653,21,1.jpg
http://m.onet.pl/_m/39931bca31ac47d3b55e28ab1881cb07,21,1.jpg

corran.pl
05-28-2006, 02:48 PM
Yes there was much less peoples than expected.

?!? As far as I know it is otherwise.


Intresting thing is that yester day somone attacked main Polish rabin. Young person around 25 came to him when he was walking on the street and said. "Poland for Poles" then when Rabin turned around and wanted to talk with attacker, he hit him in chest and spreead some sort of gas then he runned away. Police immediatly after reciving information searched area but attacker wasn't caught. Main Rabin said that he don't think it was some sort of plot trying to use Pope visit. Main Police HQ will oversee this case directly to ensure that person that attacked mr. Schudrich will be caught.

Can you give some source on that and what it has to do with this topic?

corran.pl
05-28-2006, 03:13 PM
That "mysterious" G-Wagen is especially interesting... It probably carries some EW equipment.

Todays evening news reported that there was actually more people than expected :-P

They sad in TV that it has jammig devices symilar to those our forces use in Iraq.

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/6219/mercedesg5qf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Asheren
05-28-2006, 03:33 PM
Well its a bit strange that it happen just day before pope visited Oswiecim camp. I don't belive in such luck.

daily666
05-28-2006, 03:37 PM
Yeah, the G-klasse caught everyone's attention, good to know we're taking it seriously and we have such equipement.