Al Queda #2 Al Zawarhi surrounded today in pakistan!!

[venture160]

from cnn :
BREAKING NEWS
Pakistani president tells CNN he believes troops have surrounded al Qaeda fighters protecting "high-value target." Details soon.

LATEST NEWS:
cnn is reporting that there is no specific intelligence pointing towards a high value target, but due to the nature of the ferocity of the al queadas defense, musharraf says by deductive reasoning they are most llikely protecting a high value target, whether its bin laden or mullah omar we have no idea.


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistani forces have surrounded what may be a "high-value" al Qaeda target in Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan, President Pervez Musharraf told CNN.

"We feel that there may be a high-value target," Musharraf told CNN. "I can't say who."

The ferociousness of their resistance indicates that the al Qaeda fighters are protecting someone particularly significant, he said.

The military asked locals to leave and is flying helicopters overhead, "pounding" the area with artillery, he said.

U.S. and Pakistani officials have said they believe al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden probably is in Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan.

Word of the standoff comes after Pakistan announced it has launched a fresh offensive against suspected militants near the Afghan border.

Meanwhile Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell designated Islamabad a key non-NATO ally.

Speaking in Islamabad on Thursday where he is meeting with Musharraf, America's top diplomat said Washington will designate Pakistan a major, non-NATO ally, making it easier for the country to buy advanced U.S. weapons.

His announcement came despite U.S. concern about the recent nuclear proliferation row involving the founder of Pakistan's nuclear program.

Earlier this year, Abdul Qadeer Khan admitted he gave nuclear weapons technology to other countries.

But Musharraf has been a steadfast ally of the United Sates in the war against terror, despite considerable pressure from Pakistan's mostly Muslim population.

Powell told CNN the United States is hoping for further assistance. On Thursday Pakistani forces launched a fresh offensive against suspected al Qaeda and Taliban fighters near the Afghan border.

Hundreds of Pakistani troops backed by heavy artillery and helicopter gunships raided homes in the nation's tribal region of South Waziristan, two days after a fierce assault in the same area left dozens dead.

Thursday's push began at around 10:00 a.m (0500GMT) in Warsak, Shin Warsak and Kaloosha villages, said Brig. Mahmood Shah, the chief of security for the area, according to The Associated Press.

Earlier, military helicopters and mosques broadcasted warnings to residents to evacuate ahead of the offensive.

But many had already fled their homes after bloody clashes this week between Pakistani troops and local tribesman apparently protecting suspected al Qaeda fighters.

At least 39 people were killed in the Tuesday raid on suspected Taliban and al Qaeda militants in a fortress-like compound in Kaloosha, close to the border.

Fifteen soldiers died, while Pakistani forces killed 24 suspects, most of them foreign fighters, military officials said.

Intelligence officers are also questioning 18 people captured during the raids.

In retaliation, angry tribesmen torched more than a dozen military vehicles -- some loaded with ammunition -- on Tuesday and Wednesday.

'Finish the terrorists'

U.S. and Pakistani officials believe the region -- which has resisted outside intervention for centuries -- holds remnants of the Taliban, Afghanistan's former Muslim rulers, and the al Qaeda terrorist network.

"For the first time in the history, Pakistani forces have entered there to finish the terrorists," Pakistani Information Minister Shiekh Rashid Ahmed told CNN on Thursday.

"We are committed against terrorism and we have to pay the price," he said.

"Our soldiers sacrificed their lives ... but we have to face this crisis, and we are ready to face it and ultimately we will get rid of these terrorists."

The whereabouts of bin Laden was still unknown, the minister said, but added that Pakistani forces were "ready to catch him."

Pakistan forces have launched a number of sweeps for "suspected foreign terrorists" along the border after Afghan and U.S. officials complained they were escaping to sanctuaries in Pakistan.

About 70,000 Pakistan troops are in the tribal regions and the recent offensive coincides with a major U.S. military operation on the other side of the border in Afghanistan to capture terror suspects.

They hope to catch al Qaeda and Taliban members in the middle as the U.S. and Pakistani militaries press in from both sides.

Though a spring offensive across southern and eastern Afghanistan, called Operation "Mountain Storm", is yet to be officially launched, U.S. military operations there have been stepped up.

[ZoneOne]

just keep us informed

[George W. Bush]

Congrats to our Pakistani allies rofl

[George W. Bush]

One of the two dead militants whose bodies were recovered was a Chechen and the other was believed to be of Middle Eastern origin, a military official said on condition of anonymity.

I went to Jihad and all I got..

[RomanS]

One of the two dead militants whose bodies were recovered was a Chechen and the other was believed to be of Middle Eastern origin, a military official said on condition of anonymity.

I went to Jihad and all I got..

I thought Chechens were good?

What are they doing fighting for Al-Queda?

ariweiner? help to explain

[scm77]

A strange question, are pakistanis mainly arab or hindu-ish? lol.

Don't pound the area with artillery too hard. Americans aren't going to believe it's Bin Laden if they just see a pile of bones and a turban on CNN.

I hope it's really him. :bash:

[wholagun]

I wonder if Osma will pull a Sadam type surrdender or if he will go down fighting.

I hope the troops give him a good kick to the balls.

[sierraone]

Apparently it's the Al Qaeda second-in-command...slowly getting closeeeer...

[venture160]

AL ZAWARHI!!!

[scm77]

CNN is saying that Pakistani officials believe that it is Bin Laden's little **** buddy Al-Zawari (sp?). If anybody knows where Bin Laden is, it will be that little diaper head. This also means there is a good chance Bin Laden is near by. But I do remember a report some where last week that a taliban dude said they were far apart.

[11F5S]

A strange question, are pakistanis mainly arab or hindu-ish? lol.

I believe if you do a little research you will find that if most Pakistanis were Hindus, Pakistan would never have come into existence.

Pakistan is an Islamic Republic. Islam is the official state religion

[ariweiner]

I'll believe it when I see it. I'm sick of being informed that terrorist leaders have been surrounded only to have them disappear in thin air. I'll give this one a bit more chance though since it's coming from the Pakistanis and not the Americans. We must remember, if this is Al-Zawahiri, the chances of catching in this area are slim. Why? Because more than 30% of the Pakistani army comes from the Waziristan and tribal areas and pledge more allegiance to religion and their tribe than they do to country. There is a chance that Al-Zawahiri will be captured. There is an even greater chance that should this happen, the entire tribal belt will be up in arms and overthrow the Pakistani government. The Pakistani government is in a very tough spot.

[RomanS]

I'll believe it when I see it. I'm sick of being informed that terrorist leaders have been surrounded only to have them disappear in thin air. I'll give this one a bit more chance though since it's coming from the Pakistanis and not the Americans. We must remember, if this is Al-Zawahiri, the chances of catching in this area are slim. Why? Because more than 30% of the Pakistani army comes from the Waziristan and tribal areas and pledge more allegiance to religion and their tribe than they do to country. There is a chance that Al-Zawahiri will be captured. There is an even greater chance that should this happen, the entire tribal belt will be up in arms and overthrow the Pakistani government. The Pakistani government is in a very tough spot.

Thats because you don't want to see the muslim terrorists be surrendered.

[George W. Bush]

A strange question, are pakistanis mainly arab or hindu-ish? lol.

I believe if you do a little research you will find that if most Pakistanis were Hindus, Pakistan would never have come into existence.

Pakistan is an Islamic Republic.

Paki is actually an acronym which means Punjab, Afghan, Kashmir, Sind and Baluchistan

[Sayeret]

I thought Chechens were good?

What are they doing fighting for Al-Queda?

ariweiner? help to explain

I wouldn't be too surprised if the Chechens were helping the Al Qaeda because terrorists often work together. For example the Japanese Red Army worked with the PLO in the 1970s and still might be doing so.

[jones]

Dont be suprised if the prick slips through the net, in that part of the world money talks and it certainly would not suprise me to see some of the Pakistani military are already on Osama's payroll.

[RomanS]

if he slips away than

Drop a bomb on Pakistan!

randomly though

on accident of course ;)

[Maverick77]

I don't have much faith in the Pakistanis.


The U.S British and Canadian special forces should be allowed into the region.


only time will tell though

[Haiw]

A strange question, are pakistanis mainly arab or hindu-ish? lol.

I believe if you do a little research you will find that if most Pakistanis were Hindus, Pakistan would never have come into existence.

Pakistan is an Islamic Republic. Islam is the official state religion
I'm a little rusty on the history of those regions, but wasn't the old India colony of the British split up between India (Hindu part) and Pakistan (Muslim part) after they gained independance?

[usa320]

BREAKING NEWS: PAKISTANI OFFICIALS SAY OSAMA BIN LADEN MAY BE NEAR BY.


woot woot woot woot woot

[MEGR]

Has anyone heard of Pakistan using US SOF to assist? If the Pakistani's catch this dude, than congrats to them.. For anyone who've critized the Pakis and such, you gotta at least look at this and give 'em credit if they get him.

Now for the Russian folks on the server, some are saying that this fella is a Chechen leader. I just wanted to ask you if you could give more insight on this claim. Has any names been moving around within Russian media and such?

[ShadowNeo]

For anyone who've critized the Pakis and such, you gotta at least look at this and give 'em credit if they get him.

Think you may not have meant it this way, but to many what you have wrote could be classed as racist slur.

[Maverick77]

Shut up, if someone called you a brit would you find that racist?

no its the same god damn thing. I hate it when people say that.

[ShadowNeo]

How about you shut up you narrow minded prick.

I am very much aware that that abbreviation is classed as Racist Slur here in the UK, I myself am mildly offended by people using the term and I am sure many other people would too. Maybe it doesn't mean that in the US/Canada, but hey, didn't think about that did you?

[Maverick77]

How about you understand what the **** I am talking about before calling me a narrow minded prick.

Brit
Yank
Paki
Jap
Ruskie
Canuk

Their all the same none are racist just slight changed or abbriviations of the actual word.

If he called the pakistanis stupid raghead mother****ers then I can see that being racist.

[MEGR]

Look, I didnt say Paki because I was racist, I said it because is was easier to type in Paki rather that Pakistani.. I have nothing against Pakis at all, please don't take it in the wrong way.

[usa320]

I know for a fact that US SOF are operating only a few miles away, on the Afghan side...at least thats the official story...im sure the CIA or TF121 is involved on the other side as well....

And there are definately predator drones supporting the pakistanis.

Reports say it is our SIGINT that located the tier 1 personel, apparently they got stupid and picked up a sat-phone.

[ShadowNeo]

http://monkeyfist.com/articles/804

Go to that link, might give you a little understanding of why im annoyed.

In the UK this term has an equal meaning as the common racist terms directed at those of black colour or of chinese origin (words I will not post for obvious reasons).

Brit Yank Ruskie and Canuk can be classed as friendly abbreviations, not Paki.

If you have any sense please edit your post and consider what I have said.

[LordHalbert]

Ok, take a deep breath.

An abbreviation of an ethnic/cultural group can be considered a racial slur to some.

Some Japanese readers may be offended by the work "Jap" as some Pakistanians may be offended by the work "Paki".

When it doubt use the full word "Japanese" or "Pakistanian", etc ..

Any way, we're getting off topic.

Let's hope that the Pakistanians actually catch #1 and/or #2 :)

[Seoulstriker]

back on topic. * ahem *

Ijaz from Fox News says that Al Zawahiri is likely to be the one being cornered. But from one leads another. Hopefully. :|

[MEGR]

Are they trying to get this dude alive? I mean, doesn't Pakistan have an Air Force to bomb the crap outta these folks? From what I understand, the US can't bomb 'em because this fight is in Pakistan right?

[usa320]

They are planning a massive airstrike at sunrise which is about 6:30pm EST...

I guess the pakistanis have the place surrounded on the ground and are clearing out civilians to safe areas, and it looks like they are going to just destroy the place with gunships.

Id rather see this guy taken alive and killed later as an example, but i rather see him dead now than running off again.

[LordHalbert]

Get some AC-130s in there ASAP !!

Cruise missiles also !!!

Is the USA assisting in anyway - may be just intelligence or may be more ;)

[Maverick77]

http://monkeyfist.com/articles/804

Go to that link, might give you a little understanding of why im annoyed.

In the UK this term has an equal meaning as the common racist terms directed at those of black colour or of chinese origin (words I will not post for obvious reasons).
Brit Yank Ruskie and Canuk can be classed as friendly abbreviations, not Paki.

If you have any sense please edit your post and consider what I have said.

thats dumb as hell.

[ShadowNeo]

Im sorry if I actually think about the fact that this forum is visited by people from many different countries, and that a term I am unsure of may offend them. Maybe I should act like some of the other posters and turn off my brain before I post?

For the sake of the topic, this is my last response to this crap, its been taken off topic long enough.

[MEGR]

Maybe 121 can drop a few mortar rounds around there ;)

[LordHalbert]

:bash: Hey, put a cork in it !!

Stay on topic !!

Can't we all just get along :hug:

[Haiw]

:bash: Hey, put a cork in it !!

Stay on topic !!

Can't we all just get along :hug:
No we can't. Now let us fight in peace.

[Maverick77]

http://members.home.nl/fredmens/bulbasaur.gif

[ShadowNeo]

Bulbasaur eh? I counter your post with this!

http://pokelost.free.fr/bigbang/pikachu.gif

[venture160]

moderator can you cut this crap off this thread.

[Argyll]

OK lets cut this **** out eh?

Airborne...........sorry bud but here in Britain there's a huge Anti Racial advert being run here by the Government and the term "Paki" is termed derogatory to them,as is Chinky to Chinese,for sure it maybe slang to you in Canada but in other countries it might just be a racial slur,so please there is no need to get offensive over this.
Perhaps if you fell into one of those categories you too would maybe not feel comfortable being called Paki,Chinky,or whatever.

Lets get this back on topic please...............or I'll lock it plain and simple

[Beowulf]

The whole "paki" thing reminds me of that scene from The Office. :lol:

[Seoulstriker]

From: Press Service <afisnews_sender@DTIC.MIL>
Subject: Pakistan May Have No. 2 Al Qaeda Leader Surrounded
To: DEFENSE-PRESS-SERVICE-L@DTIC.MIL

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, March 18, 2004 * Pakistani officials believe they have the No. 2
man in al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, cornered.

Pakistani forces have about 200 al Qaeda fighters surrounded close to the
border with Afghanistan. News reports said he Pakistani military is waiting
until daybreak to launch air attacks on the area.

Zawahiri is a close ally and confidant of al Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden.
Western officials suspect him of helping to plan the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in
the United States.
He also is suspected of complicity in the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen,
terrorist acts in Egypt and the bombings of American embassies in Kenya and
Tanzania. The United States has offered a reward of up to $25 million for his
capture.

Zawahiri and bin Laden met when the two men fought against the Soviets in
Afghanistan in the 1980s. Zawahiri was the leader of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad
terror group. He is a physician.

In the past two months, Pakistan has made a concerted effort to sweep through
the border area with Afghanistan. The mountainous area between the two
countries has given Taliban and al Qaeda members the opportunity to slip back
and forth between the two countries.

The Pakistan military seldom entered the area. It was a stronghold of Pathan
tribes, and an unwritten agreement among tribal leaders and the Pakistani
government left them undisturbed. The government of Pakistani President Purvez
Musharraf worked with tribal leaders before launching the offensive. Many
tribal leaders agreed with the government and worked to identify areas where
terrorists were holed up.

DoD officials praised the Pakistanis for their work. "Pakistan has been a
tremendous ally in the war against terror," said Army Lt. Col. Jim Cassella, a
Pentagon spokesman. "They have captured or killed more al Qaeda than any other
country."

Speaking on background, U.S. officials said the United States has been working
with Pakistani officials economically to strengthen the country, and militarily
to strengthen the army's capabilities. "They are well-prepared for operations
in that mountainous environment," a U.S. official said.

U.S. officials would not say whether they have confirmation that Zawahiri is,
indeed, surrounded, and stressed that while his death or capture would further
weaken al Qaeda, it would not be a fatal blow to the terror organization.

[Luxembourger]

I am thinking now of the pakistani soliders risking their lives to combat those terrorists, ,, respect to them.

[fdt]

Cornered, surrounded... ehhhh. It's stil too early to open a champagne bottle. I will open one when they will have "the doctor" in "custody".

[mocking_loudly_died]

The whole "paki" thing reminds me of that scene from The Office. :lol:

The Office rocks!

[Trigger]

Let's hope that the Pakistanians actually catch #1 and/or #2 :)

I'd classify both of 'em as 'Number 2' if you know what I mean :D

...and the next person who posts Pokemon gets a monkey slap Rick James style.

[ariweiner]

Robinson: Bin Laden aide likely would fight to the death

Thursday, March 18, 2004 Posted: 5:48 PM EST (2248 GMT)

CNN national security analyst Ken Robinson

(CNN) -- Pakistani forces have surrounded a man they believe is Ayman al-Zawahiri, al Qaeda's No. 2 leader, Pakistani government sources said. More than 200 al Qaeda fighters are trying to prevent his capture, the sources said.

CNN national security analyst Ken Robinson, who is in Pakistan, talks Thursday with CNN anchor Kyra Phillips about the possible implications of such a high-profile capture.

ROBINSON: What's interesting is speaking with senior Pakistani army officials. They were describing the tactics being used, which included very aggressive enforcement of homes that they had barricaded. They called them fortresses in this village.

They said that the enemy that they were up against was using very sophisticated mortar techniques, using mortaring shells against their forces and using target reference points that had been preregistered.

In other words, they had anticipated that at one point they would have to defend this location, and they had very significant defenses outlayed for them. That's why the casualties were so high.

PHILLIPS: If indeed this is Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is in this area that is now surrounded? What are the rules of engagement? Is it to get in there and bring him out alive and take him into custody? Or is that necessarily not the objective?

ROBINSON: Well, one of the things that the generals, the Pakistani generals that we spoke to yesterday and today, stressed was that one of the things in this engagement that causes things to slow down was their concern for collateral damage on innocent civilians.

And they again addressed the village, and they got the women and children, as many as would come out, to come out before they continued their attack.

But they've been applying very stressful combat power on there. They did not specifically say whether it was a dead or alive situation. They simply said that it was their intent to kill or capture all the enemy foreign fighters who were in their borders.

PHILLIPS: Well, what [do] you know about al Qaeda's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri? Is this somebody that would come out alive or die -- as he would be believed to be -- a martyr?

ROBINSON: I cannot believe that we would see al-Zawahari or Osama bin Laden captured alive. I believe they both would probably fight to the death. Ayman al-Zawahiri was the leader of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, a very lethal terrorist organization in Egypt, before he linked up with bin Laden. And he's the guy who really took bin Laden over the edge in terms of getting more lethal in his own thought processes.

PHILLIPS: And these are all Pakistani troops that have this area surrounded. Are there any U.S. troops involved, Special Operations, Special Forces?

ROBINSON: There is a mixture of forces right now. There are Pakistani military special operations tactics forces, a quick-reaction force that was designed to respond to actionable intelligence. And then there are tribal militias also involved in the tribal areas. [Pakistani President Pervez] Musharraf met with several of the tribal leaders in that area three days ago to secure their support and to secure his ability to move his army in there.

As well there's the front-tier core who is there and the regular army conducting these coordinated search operations. No one in the government of Pakistan has mentioned the presence of U.S. forces.

PHILLIPS: If indeed this is al-Zawahiri and he is captured, do troops on the Pakistani side and also on the U.S. side believe that he would have information for sure leading to Osama bin Laden, whether he is dead or alive?

ROBINSON: Every one of these captures in Pakistan, if you think back to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed or [Ramzi] Binalshibh, each one of them has been found with computer disks, with Rolodexes, with pocket litter, all of which has led to more intelligence, which has led to more arrests. And I suspect that in this case we'll find the same thing because it's clear that they weren't expecting the surprise visit they got the other day when this offensive operation started.

So it's likely that they will be able to get more actionable intelligence. The question is where is Osama bin Laden. There are many who opine here that they're not going to find him in a cave, they're going to find him somewhere in Pakistan.

PHILLIPS: [What's Pakistan's] long-term strategy with al Qaeda? You met with a number of key leaders, both political and military, while you spent time in the country there. What do you know about the president's strategy?

ROBINSON: Well, President Musharraf has a strategy that he calls "enlightened moderation." One of those things is to change realities on the ground. It's [in] his interest to take moderate Muslims and try to convince all Muslims to reject extremism and to work on economic development, social development.

His two-****ged approach is to moderate behavior within the Muslim community and also to reach out to the West to have a resolve for political responses, not just the military hammer.

But also to think about ways to help the Muslim leadership to be able to nurture justice and to help the Muslim world with economic development, to take these disenfranchised people that they have in the population -- the hungry, the poor -- and raise their standard of living to the point that they're no longer hopeless because hopelessness is one of the oxygens for terrorism.

[Rilence]

im rick james bi-atch! rofl

[RomanS]

ari wiener just admit that you love ben laden, and don't want him to die

[ariweiner]

What? Just shut up PermskiiOMON and stick to posting pictures. It's the only thing on this forum that you do well. Whenever you open your mouth, you seem to make a fool of yourself.

[Rilence]

Whenever you open your mouth, you seem to make a fool of yourself.[/quote]
uh........ :cantbeli:

[Argyll]

keep it chilled laddies ;)

[RomanS]

What? Just shut up PermskiiOMON and stick to posting pictures. It's the only thing on this forum that you do well. Whenever you open your mouth, you seem to make a fool of yourself.

I'm not a fool, and not only me can see that you sympathize with islamic terrorists!

YOu support Chechen terrorists with an open heart. Every time I try to give you a debate, you turn into the same crap with just words and no other back up.

You don't openly support ben laden, becasue you would be smacked here very FAST


so hush

[ariweiner]

You support Chechen terrorists with an open heart. Maybe if the Russian thugs were not openly raping, murdering and massacring, I would view the Chechens as terrorists. But when murderous thugs enter other peoples homes and kills, massacres and rapes, I can only conclude that the Russians are responsible. Terrorist attacks on Russian soil are a DIRECT result of the Chechen wars. And there is every indication that Russians themselves are responsible for terrorist attacks on Russian soil(The apartment bombings for instance. Russian agents were caught RED-HANDED smuggling explosives into different apartment buildings. They claimed it was sugar. :roll:


Every time I try to give you a debate, you turn into the same crap with just words and no other back up.I have given you plenty of resources that prove that Russian sadists are commmitting much of the atrocities and that Chechen "terrorist" attacks are nothing more than a reaction to Russian imperialism. You on the other hand have just words to say with no back up. You dismiss the reports from Human Rights groups as nonsense yet you have offered no argument that the reports are false. How is it that you call me a terrorist supporter since it is clearly you who are making excuses for Russian state terrorism.

You don't openly support ben laden, becasue you would be smacked here very FASTOOOH! Now since you cannot win the argument, you try to switch the argument to make it look like I support 9/11 atrocities.
:fork:

[RomanS]

You support Chechen terrorists with an open heart. Maybe if the Russian thugs were not openly raping, murdering and massacring, I would view the Chechens as terrorists. But when murderous thugs enter other peoples homes and kills, massacres and rapes, I can only conclude that the Russians are responsible. Terrorist attacks on Russian soil are a DIRECT result of the Chechen wars. And there is every indication that Russians themselves are responsible for terrorist attacks on Russian soil(The apartment bombings for instance. Russian agents were caught RED-HANDED smuggling explosives into different apartment buildings. They claimed it was sugar. :roll:


Every time I try to give you a debate, you turn into the same crap with just words and no other back up.I have given you plenty of resources that prove that Russian sadists are commmitting much of the atrocities and that Chechen "terrorist" attacks are nothing more than a reaction to Russian imperialism. You on the other hand have just words to say with no back up. You dismiss the reports from Human Rights groups as nonsense yet you have offered no argument that the reports are false. How is it that you call me a terrorist supporter since it is clearly you who are making excuses for Russian state terrorism.

You don't openly support ben laden, becasue you would be smacked here very FASTOOOH! Now since you cannot win the argument, you try to switch the argument to make it look like I support 9/11 atrocities.
:fork:


so what you are saying is

Human rights watch went to Chechnya, and questioned the locals about the Russians coming in and killing them all?
And based on their words they write those reports that you show me. And I have to believe them?

Where is the photographic evidence?

There is plenty of evidence from Chechen terrorists. VIDEO TAPES of executions, torture, terrorists acts, even murder of many Human Rights Watch memmbers.
Arbi Baraev is an example.

Are you muslim? Are you in US ?

[RomanS]

ariwiener

answer my question.

What did the 4 Human Rights members (from New Zealand, and England) have done to Chechens to be executed by Arbi "Tarzan" Baraev?

They came to help the Chechens, and were kidnaped by his thugs. Then they asked Human Rights organization for ransom, or their members die.

He cut their heads off 5 days later. Russian OMON soldiers found them on the side of the road, and returned them to their families.

SO WHAT DID THEY DO TO CHECHENS TO DESERVE IT ?

answer now

if you ignore it, than all should see the truth about you.

[Rilence]

ari?????

[khukuri]

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



cut it out I am tired of theese political discussions

guys theres lot of other threads on that subject plz discuss it there.

[RomanS]

Let me Help you



Baraev and his gang would
videotape torture of their victims and then deliver the videocassettes of
burning, dismemberment, and other depravity to the victims' families.
Baraev was widely suspected of having kidnapped and beheaded four telecom
workers from England and New Zealand

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/6578.htm



Arbi Baraev beheaded four hostages, three from Britain and one from New Zealand, even after their British employer, Granger Telecom, had offered Baraev a ransom of seven million dollars.

http://www.untimely-thoughts.com/?art=346&action=printer

http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/Vol2Issue4/Vol2Issue4Yastrzhembsky.html

[RomanS]

In September 2001, Ari Fleischer, press secretary for President Bush, said: “There is no question that there is an international terrorist presence in Chechnya that has links to Osama bin Laden.” Fleischer was the first person from the Bush Administration to publicly acknowledge that fact.




guess who you support ari

[Undo]

What? Just shut up PermskiiOMON and stick to posting pictures. It's the only thing on this forum that you do well. Whenever you open your mouth, you seem to make a fool of yourself.

WTF? Stick to posting pictures? This site is MILITARY PHOTOS. If anyone is looking like a fool, it is jerkoffs like you who talk sh!t and never contribute anything of value to the site. Gimme a break.

[ariweiner]

Are you muslim? Are you in US ? Yes I am a Muslim and I live in the US. The point being?

About Arbi Baraev and the alleged atrocities. These do not excuse Russia's campaign of murder and slaughter in Ichkeria. The alleged crimes of individual criminals do not excuse the wholesale slaughter of an entire nation. You still have not been able to justify Russia's imperialism one jot.

In September 2001, Ari FleischerAri Fleischer says this so it's true? Gimme a break man. And what does "links to UBL" mean? President Bush has links to OBL! The Bush family has dealings with the bin Ladens construction company. The US government arranged for brothers and sisters of UBL to be flown out of the US after 9/11. So, technically they have "links" to UBL. Does that mean they are guilty of anything?!

This site is MILITARY PHOTOS. If anyone is looking like a fool,Look above. It says "General Discussion." If I violate the rules of this board, let me know and I will stop the violations immediately.

[RomanS]

Are you muslim? Are you in US ? Yes I am a Muslim and I live in the US. The point being?

About Arbi Baraev and the alleged atrocities. These do not excuse Russia's campaign of murder and slaughter in Ichkeria. The alleged crimes of individual criminals do not excuse the wholesale slaughter of an entire nation. You still have not been able to justify Russia's imperialism one jot.

In September 2001, Ari FleischerAri Fleischer says this so it's true? Gimme a break man. And what does "links to UBL" mean? President Bush has links to OBL! The Bush family has dealings with the bin Ladens construction company. The US government arranged for brothers and sisters of UBL to be flown out of the US after 9/11. So, technically they have "links" to UBL. Does that mean they are guilty of anything?!

This site is MILITARY PHOTOS. If anyone is looking like a fool,Look above. It says "General Discussion." If I violate the rules of this board, let me know and I will stop the violations immediately.


Where is my answer to

What did the 4 non-Chechen, non-Russian peacful civilians do to be beheaded by Chechen Freedom Fighters?

[pAt]

did the US send any special forces or anyone to see if they could help out the pakistani forces?

[usa320]

This is too much god damn bull****. Between the pokmeman and the people arguing, what was a good thread, has gone to hell.

[ariweiner]

PermskiiOMON, lets take this to PM, you are hijacking the thread. Meanwhile the Pakistani army says that they have killed dozens and captured 18.

[RomanS]

PermskiiOMON, lets take this to PM, you are hijacking the thread. Meanwhile the Pakistani army says that they have killed dozens and captured 18.

I don't need no PM with you

I'll leave this thread alone.

[sierraone]

Yes I am a Muslim and I live in the US. The point being?

Excuse me but isn't Ari Weiner a typical Jewish name? Is that your real name?

[M_S]

ariweiner its good that you stand for what you believe.

[RomanS]

ariweiner its good that you stand for what you believe.

so does ben laden and zawahiri

[Steve Andrews]

Chickens.

Hatch.

[Argyll]

Ok I'm locking this as once again it's gone downhill faster than Franz Klammer