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annihilation
05-25-2006, 11:33 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060525/ap_on_re_us/immigration_legal_immigrants


Working with illegal immigrants every day in a suburban Atlanta bank, Carlos Carbonell knows exactly where to go to buy a fake green card for his wife. Sometimes he thinks it would be much easier.
His wife, Valentina, has been stuck in their native Caracas, Venezuela, for four years because of backlogs in processing her green card application.
Carbonell believes in reforming U.S. immigration policy, but he and other legal immigrants who have been playing by the rules feel forgotten in the debate over possible amnesty for most of the estimated 12 million immigrants here illegally.
"They are putting as a priority illegal immigration, and legal immigrants are left out of the loop. It's the curse of doing things right," he said. "They think that the legal ones can wait — hey!"
Even though they have loyalty to their immigrant origins, many legal immigrants also feel a twinge of resentment toward others who have broken the law, and they fear illegal migrants could complicate their own quest for citizenship.
Will the already backlogged system gridlock because of a surge in applications from illegal immigrants? Will those who jumped the Rio Grande jump in the line ahead of those who have spent an average of $10,000 and five years waiting to be granted permanent residency? Will legal immigrants feel the backlash from those who resent immigration without making status distinctions?
Commuting to his home in suburban Bethesda, Md., Francisco Gonzalez passes scores of busy Latino construction workers, most likely illegal immigrants from his native Mexico. To the 36-year-old Latin American studies professor at John Hopkins University in Washington, those immigrants' presence is at once a humanitarian crisis to solve and a real threat to his own ability to stay in the country.
"Our morals are on the side of the illegals. The paradox is that if they're legalized, the line of 8 millions will become 20 millions, and the green card, they're going to give it to me when I'm ready to retire," Gonzalez said.
Depending on where applicants are from and whether they seek green cards based on employment, family or asylum, the wait can last more than a decade for the document, which allows an immigrant to stay in the U.S. permanently.
As of March, more than 754,000 green card applications were pending, including more than 180,000 that had been in process for more than six months and others that have been "shelved" because no visas are available for that category, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services spokesman Chris Bentley.
Despite President Bush's reassurance that illegal immigrants applying for citizenship would "have to wait in line behind" the legal ones, many immigrants worry that lawmakers will favor those who have more political clout.
Gonzalez and his British wife, who teaches at Johns Hopkins University, are expecting their first child in September. Both want green cards. Gonzalez has to renew his temporary visa every year and is always terrified he will not be allowed to stay.
Many immigrants, knowing firsthand how difficult and expensive the immigration process is, see it as unrealistic for unskilled, uneducated workers. This "class bias" pushes many unskilled workers to come illegally, said Louis DeSipio, a professor at the University of California, Irvine.
But the expense and uncertainty of the system also threaten many highly qualified professionals, spurring high-tech companies, universities and attorneys to lobby for a cheaper, quicker legal immigration system, lest the U.S. lose its global competitive edge.
"Every CEO needs to contact their elected representatives and say we need more visas or a workable guest-worker program," said Anton Mertens, an Atlanta immigration attorney who immigrated from Belgium and represents employers from across the country.
A small but vocal group of Latin American and other immigrants want to restrict all immigration, including many of the provisions that allowed them or their parents to move to the U.S.
"We should reduce legal immigration to the level so it's not a strain on energy and the infrastructure. Why shouldn't China take care of the Chinese?" said Ling-Ling Yeh, a Chinese woman who immigrated to the U.S. in 1980 and later founded the Oakland, Calif.-based Diversity Alliance for a Sustainable America.
Lupe Moreno's father came from Mexico during a World War II guest-worker program, but she now resents being surrounded by Spanish-speaking Latino immigrants in her Santa Ana, Calif., neighborhood. She founded a group called Latino-Americans for Immigration Reform.
"We've been more than generous with everybody. Now we need to take control," she said.

nognig
05-26-2006, 08:19 AM
I've been waiting close to 4 years for my green card and I'll probably have to wait another year or two until I get it.

NN

annihilation
05-26-2006, 10:38 AM
I've been waiting close to 4 years for my green card and I'll probably have to wait another year or two until I get it.

NN

Im sorry that you have to wait. Maybe you should have came here through the mexican boarder, you might get it faster. Which is a slap to every legal law bidding immigrant. I think its the house bill that allows a path of citizenship, I hope it gets dropped. I like the other bill that promotes more security and better laws.


My mom made a good point. If the illegals become legal immigrants, would they still want to do their jobs for the price they get paid or will we be forced again to get more illegals to do those jobs?

fremen
05-26-2006, 08:55 PM
My mom made a good point. If the illegals become legal immigrants, would they still want to do their jobs for the price they get paid or will we be forced again to get more illegals to do those jobs?

Perfect! This is a clear example of the reasoning behing many of the people that say that they are against illegal immigration (including many congressmen, senators, and news media commentators). It's not that they want illegal immigration to stop, clearly they don't, what they want is for things to stay "exactly the same" as they've been for decades so that they can continue to exploit this sub-class of humans with few rights. Illegal immigrants are todays equivalent to slaves (but even better), you can pay them what you want, they have no rights, and if you cheat them they can't go to the authorities to complain.
Yes anni, tell your mom that she's right: we musn't free the slaves we have because then we'd just have to go out again and get some more.

P.S. They wan't to build a wall (a triple wall with soldiers and all), not to completely stop illegal immigration, but to make crossings more of a challenge so that only the smartest and strongest can get through, thus ensuring a lean, mean and cheap work force (no matter how many people die in the process).

praetorian6
05-27-2006, 01:02 AM
P.S. They wan't to build a wall (a triple wall with soldiers and all), not to completely stop illegal immigration, but to make crossings more of a challenge so that only the smartest and strongest can get through, thus ensuring a lean, mean and cheap work force (no matter how many people die in the process).

Damn it, man! You've caught on!

StukaJr
05-27-2006, 01:22 AM
I've been waiting close to 4 years for my green card and I'll probably have to wait another year or two until I get it.

NN

Just a little longer - took mine four and a half years from the time of the submission. If you've already gone through your biometrics appointment, FBI check and physical - then you are just months away :) My deadline for physical was in May of '05 and I got my GC in September of '05. Obviously, you want to get the latter out of the way ASAP.

Good luck

nognig
05-27-2006, 10:22 AM
Just a little longer - took mine four and a half years from the time of the submission. If you've already gone through your biometrics appointment, FBI check and physical - then you are just months away :) My deadline for physical was in May of '05 and I got my GC in September of '05. Obviously, you want to get the latter out of the way ASAP.

Good luck

I've done the biometrics, physical and I'm not sure if I've cleared the FBI check yet.

Problem is, they limit the number of employment green cards to 140,000 each year. Back in April of 2001, there was a deadline for 245(i) green card applications. What is 245(i)? Well people who overstayed their work visa and were now unlawfully in the US could file for a green card and not get kicked out.

Thing is, over 250,000 of them applied. These applications are now coming out of labor certification. This is backing up the system so bad that no applications submitted past June 2001 are being processed. Mine was sent in late 2002.

That's why I'm kinda hoping some form of immigration legislation passes. They want to up the limit to 400,000. Otherwise I'm gonna be waiting a long time.

NN

Red
05-27-2006, 02:35 PM
I am a legal migrant myself and it was a refreshing thing to know that there were people thinking like me.The illegals are screwing things up for the legals and i wish all 11 million of them would be deported.You cannot come to another man's country illegaly and start demanding things like you own the freaking place,that is absurd.The bill that congress passed is a slap in the face of all the legal migrants who have to put up with a LOT of shyte from USCIS and other agencies.There should be no legalisation for the illegals.No, they need to send them out of the country and if they really want to come back they need to come join the ever growing line of LEGAL migrants trying to obtain citizenship lawfully.