A tale about the loyalty of the majority of the Israeli-arabs.

[Ariha]

"Sheikh Kamal Khatib, deputy leader of the Islamic Movement, wrote at the time, ' those soldiers are not worthy of burial and should be thrown to the garbage dump' "

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/719969.html

[Macabi]

Terrible how they are treated by fellow Arabs. They server the country they live in, I admire the arab IDF soldiers allot.

But the same thing would be done and is done if you are just friends with Jew there.

[S'13]

If the families of dead or alive Arab servicemen are being ostracized and harassed... then the Israeli government should estblish communities for these families.

[Ariha]

Ghettos in Israel? I find that the last thing to do in Israel, BY the Israeli government.

It is better to solve the problem placing the weight on the agressor rather than on the victim. Expel the Sheikh and educate the local arab population about the inconvenience of being disloyal to the State, pointing (for example) to the fact that 32% of all arab households receive family payments by the same State they are betraying. No loyalty, no payments. Ennemy populations should be in a ghetto (by their own will and deeds) or expelled.

[S'13]

Ghettos in Israel? I find that the last thing to do in Israel, BY the Israeli government.


Ariha, no offence, but you just twisted what I wrote.

Did I write anywhere in my post that they should be isolated? Becuase that's what a Ghetto is meant to do.

I don't see what is wrong with building communities made up of people who are loyal to the state as a means of protecting them and providing them with a supportive and friendly environment.

The idea of communities made up of military servicemen and their families isn't a new one.


It is better to solve the problem placing the weight on the agressor rather than on the victim. Expel the Sheikh and educate the local arab population about the inconvenience of being disloyal to the State, pointing (for example) to the fact that 32% of all arab households receive family payments by the same State they are betraying. No loyalty, no payments. Ennemy populations should be in a ghetto (by their own will and deeds) or expelled.


Yeah, much more realistic. :roll:

People can't be forced to be loyal to the state, that only gets the opposite affect.

The only thing we do see eye to eye on this issue is that the law should deal with the people violating the rights of their neighbors.

[Ariha]

Building special zones for people of a minority group under social, legal or economic pressure is the accepted definition for the word "Ghetto".Is this not waht is happening? In my opinion this is a form of racism, if the state builds such quarters, they are surrendering to another piece of arab pressure and arab racism.

What is realistic can change from one person to another. People can not be forced to be loyal to a State, but you can prosecute, in the strict framework of local national laws, what is openly seditious.

We are taking too much realistic steps that seem to be dictated by the ennemies of Israel...

I feel offended, you owe me an orange juice :-)

[S'13]

Building special zones for people of a minority group under social, legal or economic pressure is the accepted definition for the word "Ghetto".Is this not waht is happening? In my opinion this is a form of racism, if the state builds such quarters, they are surrendering to another piece of arab pressure and arab racism.


Again twisting my words in a true demagogic style.

Where did I mention that the government should build "special quarters"? I'm talking about totaly separate settlements.
Arab settlements already exist in Israel, are you going to refer to those as "Ghettos" too?

Also where did I write that the Israeli government should pressure them into living in these communities?
If these famalies feel that they can no longer live in such a hostile environment, then the state should have a solution for them... in other words, provide them with a friendly environment to settle in.
It's beyond me how a person could apply the term "Ghetto" to this, unless of course he doesn't understand the true meaning of the word.

As for cracking down on the aggressive communities, that won't make them any less aggressive towards the families of fallen IDF soldiers.


People can not be forced to be loyal to a State, but you can prosecute, in the strict framework of local national laws, what is openly seditious.


Again that only helps us tell ourselves that we are pushing the "fifth column" into the corner, but doesn't really help those families whom are the topic of this thread (which you opened).


We are taking too much realistic steps that seem to be dictated by the ennemies of Israel.


So the vast majority of Israeli citizens are their own enemies?

Hmmm, interesting.


I feel offended, you owe me an orange juice


Alright then.

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See, I even added orange slices.