German SMP

[Shadow]

http://www.bwb.org/Vorhaben/IDZ/IdZ1.jpg

http://www.bwb.org/Vorhaben/IDZ/IdZ2.jpg

http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/b045c59fa8aa8377c1256988003aa3f2/cfb3399911d699fdc1256c0100265660/Body/0.37F8?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/b045c59fa8aa8377c1256988003aa3f2/cfb3399911d699fdc1256c0100265660/Body/0.764?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/b045c59fa8aa8377c1256988003aa3f2/cfb3399911d699fdc1256c0100265660/Body/0.9F0E?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

[cut]

nice pics :D

[MEGR]

Thats pretty badass.

[Trigger]

nice pics!
I love that camo.

[He219]

Nice Pictures, Shadow!

Some KSK stuff... woot

http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/0be9a9b5f255826ac1256cc20042b84f/body/0.69B2?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Gewehr G36 K (kurz) KSK
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/0be9a9b5f255826ac1256cc20042b84f/body/0.8F00?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
MP5 SD (oben) Above
MP5 K; (Mitte, links) Mid. Left
MP5 K mit Schulterstütze (Mitte, rechts) Mid. Right
MP7 (unten) Bottom
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/0be9a9b5f255826ac1256cc20042b84f/body/0.AAE2?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Pistole P8 Combat
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/0be9a9b5f255826ac1256cc20042b84f/body/1.3EAC?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Maschinenpistole MP7 mit optischem Visier EOTech 551 Holosight




I just found these...

http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/45ee15b673c5f37dc1256bc6002a8094/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Bo-105 'In the Forrest'
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/53064b518615e9efc1256bc1003f250b/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
KPz Leopard 2 A5? (Axl)
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/9c681380b5eda9d3c1256bb90023731f/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
1 GEPARD (FlakPz)
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/bf06e94053bdbe2fc1256bb9003300e9/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
PzH 2000
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/a2359e1209b11a18c1256982003b7e87/44d929eb019cc885c1256bb90032c8c1/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

And Check out some of these .MWV Files:
http://www.deutschesheer.de/C1256B6C002D670C/CurrentBaseLink/N25EDAR7764SWINDE LeoII Vid
http://www.deutschesheer.de/C1256B6C002D670C/CurrentBaseLink/N25FSGV6215SWINDE Gepard Vid
http://www.deutschesheer.de/C1256B6C002D670C/CurrentBaseLink/N25M9B5Y965SBERDE Self-Propelled Artillery Panzerhaubitze 2000
http://www.deutschesheer.de/C1256B6C002D670C/CurrentBaseLink/N25GSBL4651SBERDE Recrits in Joint Forces Training Vid.

Enjoy!

p-)
He219

[Spotter]

Hi!

Here some pics of soldiers from the german KSK

http://sondereinheiten.de/ksk/pics/ksk014.jpg
http://sondereinheiten.de/ksk/pics/ksk083.jpg
http://sondereinheiten.de/ksk/pics/ksk021.jpg

If you want more, check this! http://sondereinheiten.de/ksk/gallerie.php

Spotter ;)

[Spotter]

So, now some pics of the german Kampfschwimmer (like the american Navy SEALs).

http://www.sondereinheiten.de/kampfschwimmer/pics/kampfs019.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/kampfschwimmer/pics/kampfs020.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/kampfschwimmer/pics/kampfs026.jpg

the link for more: http://www.sondereinheiten.de/kampfschwimmer/gallerie.php

Spotter ;)

[AVZ]

some good stuff of the SMP(soldier modernisation program)
take a look at the Ultimate Soldier the american equivalent wich is still in developing/tessting progress

[Spotter]

This is one of our german KSK-soldiers.
http://www.ifdt.de/0203/_images/thiele030204.jpg
His Equipment is used in afghanistan where german soldiers are at work. ;)
The weapon, the g-36 is used in different types. Often the g-36c with a grenade launcher and the c-mag.

Spotter ;)

[Spotter]

This is the normal G-36 with the grenade launcher AG 36:
http://www.heckler-koch.de/html/german/behoerden/04_specialweapons/04_images/04_03_weapon_01.jpg

This is the C-Mag für the G-36:
http://www.betaco.com/images2000/C-mag_g36_front_350.gif
http://www.betaco.com/images2000/P1300010_sm.gif
http://www.betaco.com/img/g36cf.jpg

Spotter ;)

[Gringo]

those pics are badass!

[Gringo]

those pics are badass!

[He219]

AWESOME, Spotter! Really like the links you sent...

http://sondereinheiten.de/ksk/pics/ksk022.jpg
http://sondereinheiten.de/ksk/pics/ksk028.jpg

Definately Hi quality pic's...

The more Exotic the Better! Keep 'em comming.....

Thanks..

p-)
He219

[Lobo]

I like this:

http://www.hkpro.com/action10smokeg36.jpg


This is the C-Mag für the G-36:
What's that? Deutschglish? Entschuldigen Sie bitte. Ich sprache keine Deutsch. Ich verstehe nür ein bischen. ;)

[Lobo]

[Sorry for repeated post. It showed some "server error"]

[Lobo]

Same problem again.

[AVZ]

hey Spotter!
are you sure about the G36 c and an grenade launcher added?don't you mean G36 k and grenade launcher?

http://gsx550.de/ksk/KSK_spiegel.jpg

[warchild1/27scout]

i didnt think i liked that g 36 but he 219 that first pic u put up looks sweet.m-4 sopmod,look out.

[Spotter]

@ Lobo:

Hahaha, sorry for mistake! "für" is a german word like "for". ;)

@ AVZ:
The grenade launcher could normaly used with a G-36k, BUT with a few modifications it could although used with the c-version! It is true... ;)

Some informations about the G-36:http://www.hkpro.com/G36.htm

@ warchild1/27scout: The G-36 is a veeeeeery good weapon! But the one thing that is not so good, is the caliber of 5.56 x 45. I am more fan of 7.62. ;)

Spotter ;)

[Shadow]

Is this the latest photo of the OICW?
http://hkpro.com/oicwcasing.jpg

[Shadow]

Is this the latest photo of the OICW?
http://hkpro.com/oicwcasing.jpg

[Spotter]

Here some new pics with german infantry and new weapons:

German soldier with MG-43
http://vereine.freepage.de/mclupo/Waffenschau_IDZ_MG43Rohr.JPG

German soldiers with MP-7, MG-43 and G-36
http://vereine.freepage.de/mclupo/IdZ_PDW_MG43_G36.JPG

Spotter ;)

[Spotter]

test

[Spotter]

German soldiers with some new weapons like the MG-43 or MP-7:

http://vereine.freepage.de/mclupo/Waffenschau_IDZ_MG43Rohr.JPG

http://vereine.freepage.de/mclupo/IdZ_PDW_MG43_G36.JPG

Spotter ;)

[Shadow]

Hey where do you got these pictures?

[Doggonit55]

The MG43 looks really good! Quite small! Smaller than a full size SAW at least. Maybe even smaller than the Mk48 Mod 0??? The MP7 is much smaller than I thought! Are all these guys giants or something? I would really like an MG43. Even just semi-auto only! woot

[FallenAngel]

is that MG43 the new HK light machine gun?

[Panzermeyer]

Hey where do you got these pictures?

He got these Pictures from www.sondereinheiten.de
The pictureswere taken at the german infantryschool at Hammelburg on the "Tag der Infantrie".

Taken by a friend of mine, hosted by me.

As i heard from a German Para Officer, the Soldiers don´t like the new Battlevest. It´s like the US Molle System.

mkg
Panzermeyer

[rob]

i dont mean to start a war but the g36 does have some probs as reported by a ksk member on different forums, he had poor english so i think i will believe him.

1.scope fogs
2. not the best weapon for water insertions.
3.stock is weak
4. not a very stable platform.

it is a great weapon and has a great following it the swat area but the military tend to treat their weapon badly and give them a work out and the g36 doesnt look like it will take a beating very well.

i think we all can agree that the 5.56 (i think we all can agree that 6mm is the way to go) is having problems putting downt the bad guys with shorter berral carbines and since the k is already shorter then an m4 i doubt the c will be used out side of cqb where a grenade launcher is dead weight. think it is impossible to mount the grenade launcher on the c and if it is it is stupid because the launcher will stick out as far as the k so why not just use the k?

[Piccolo]

Hmm, Germanys only military special forces unit, akin to Delta or SAS, and one of the very few operators to ever have been in the unit, is online, in a forum... doubtfull. I can't imagen the KSK have more then 200-300 active soldiers, the ones that aren't deployed most likely are busy as hell all the time; training. I don't see it, personally. Anything is possible, but not always probable. Just a FYI, the German airforce has a KRK, it's the crisis reaction force IIRC, perhaps you got the two mixed up.

[stuntman]

Wow you guys really surprise me! How come no one is questioning the bad ass PALS type load bearing gear, and body armor? And if any one can tell me if this body armour is issued to regular german soldiers or just special forces? thx!

[Shadow]

Wow you guys really surprise me! How come no one is questioning the bad ass PALS type load bearing gear, and body armor? And if any one can tell me if this body armour is issued to regular german soldiers or just special forces? thx!

This Body Armor is only used by Special Forces , yet. I think.

[Smintjes]

And you gotta love that Flecktarn-camo. It's still the most effective European camo around, imho. Although I would like to see some CADPAT/MARPAT tests in European environments.

[Doggonit55]

i dont mean to start a war but the g36 does have some probs as reported by a ksk member on different forums, he had poor english so i think i will believe him.

1.scope fogs
2. not the best weapon for water insertions.
3.stock is weak
4. not a very stable platform.

it is a great weapon and has a great following it the swat area but the military tend to treat their weapon badly and give them a work out and the g36 doesnt look like it will take a beating very well.

i think we all can agree that the 5.56 (i think we all can agree that 6mm is the way to go) is having problems putting downt the bad guys with shorter berral carbines and since the k is already shorter then an m4 i doubt the c will be used out side of cqb where a grenade launcher is dead weight. think it is impossible to mount the grenade launcher on the c and if it is it is stupid because the launcher will stick out as far as the k so why not just use the k?

Highly doubtful. Do you have a brain? If some guy who speaks bad english told you he is Spetnaz, would you believe him automatically? Esp. considering it's some guy you can't see, hear, etc. online? Talk about gulible people.....

I guess you are the type who falls for those email scams.

Anyway, in response to your alleged problems:

1. No the scope itself does NOT fog. The red dot sight does, which is not a scope. However, this problem is being worked on. It doesn't happen that often anyway.

2. Sure, it's not the best weapon for water insertions, since most guns are no good for water insertions. HK's are famous for working well after full immersion. Even the silenced MP5 works great even when it's still dripping or muddy. There really is no GREAT weapon for water insertions. Water will mess up your gun with time. But, the G36 works just fine for water insertions, if you think not, provide proof otherwise, and that means something better than just the opinion of a man who speaks poor english, etc. :bash: :bash: :bash:

3. The stock, if a folding stock and logically, folding stocks are not as strong as fixed stocks. But then again, if you swing an M16/AR15 against a tree, the stock will break off on those too, if you hit it nice and hard. Stocks will come off. If you want a stock that you can bash into rocks all day (why would you do that anyway?) then get an M14 or something like that. The G36 stock is fine, there have been no OFFICIAL complaints about it. I suggest you stop trusting strangers so much.

4. "Not a very stable platform" What :cantbeli: the :cantbeli: hell :cantbeli: does :cantbeli: this :cantbeli: mean :cantbeli: ?????
Do you mean the operating system is flawed? Well let me fill you in on a little "secret" here: The G36 is based on the AR18's system, one of the most reliable system out there, almost matching the AK system. The G36 will NOT jam. There are pics of the bolt after 5000 rounds having been fired. There is NO visible fouling or dirt ANYWHERE. The G36 is one of the most reliable weapons around. The gases are vented out the handguard vents instead of returning to the weapon like in the M16/AR15. If you find the G36 to be an unstable platform, then you are certifiable. :bash: :bash: :bash:

D55

[Shadow]

i dont mean to start a war but the g36 does have some probs as reported by a ksk member on different forums, he had poor english so i think i will believe him.

1.scope fogs
2. not the best weapon for water insertions.
3.stock is weak
4. not a very stable platform.

it is a great weapon and has a great following it the swat area but the military tend to treat their weapon badly and give them a work out and the g36 doesnt look like it will take a beating very well.

i think we all can agree that the 5.56 (i think we all can agree that 6mm is the way to go) is having problems putting downt the bad guys with shorter berral carbines and since the k is already shorter then an m4 i doubt the c will be used out side of cqb where a grenade launcher is dead weight. think it is impossible to mount the grenade launcher on the c and if it is it is stupid because the launcher will stick out as far as the k so why not just use the k?

Last week i spoke with Santa Claus on the Phone!
A KSK Member can't be bad at english, it will be proven during his apprenticeship.

[rob]

what i ment by stabel platformis that it rattles and shakes.

if you think about it HK is famous for the mp5/g3 series weapons not the g36.

what i ment by the didnt speak english thing was that he obviously wasnt some american and i was more of a joke then anything else. now that i see you have no sence of humor i will make no more jokes. OK. it was on the site defencereview and looks to be credible.

i never said the g36 was a bad weapon or that it was inferior to the ar15. if fact i said it was a great weapon. it simply put does not look like it will take a beatting that normally comes with the military. the stock looks fragile. sure any stock will break if you hit a tree full force but be resonable. second a scope no matter if i doesnt fog will be more sesptable to the elements and is more fragile then iron sights. the g36 does not have any iron sights other then the molded in open sights that are not accesable on the dual optic models anyway. on the contrary a swat team only needs a weapon to last for a short period of time because they can always go back for replacments and/r dont need to fight in the jungle were the scope might fog.

if you want my opinion on what is the best weapon then this is it.
the RROC Conversion 6.8mm Upper by ADD. it has more hitting power then an m4, looks and has the same controls, gas piston to make frequent cleaning a thing of the past and less reciol then an mp5. yep that is correct. almost sounds to good to be true.
it is a drop-in upper receiver assembly for the M4/M4A1 that runs much cleaner and more reliably, doesn't overheat, and has virtually no felt-recoil. were do i sign up. that is if all claims are true.

[rob]

looking back at the comment i reilize i have made a mistake. the man was not a ksk member but says he met one coming back from jungle training. sorry, fell stupid now. go ahead and pile on the stupid jokes. if you want to see the comment here is the url.http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=281

[Piccolo]

I agree the RROC sounds promising. However, it is rumored to weight about 5/6lbs itself. This could be bull ****, but I seriously don't see it making general issue for anything but SOF if that is true.

[rob]

i guess it is just impossible to make that perfect weapon for now.

[seventy6er]

And if any one can tell me if this body armour is issued to regular german soldiers or just special forces? thx!

it will be issued not only to special forces. the whole systems is called "infanterist der zukunft (future infantryman)". it is planned to equip 360 infantry groups (1 group consists of 10 soldiers) next year (soldiers of JÄGER-companies) in a first lot, followed by another 680 infantry-goups in and another 90 groups for the luftwaffe. the second lot will most probably not be delivered before 2008.

20 soldiers already use and test the system in kosovo (since last year). the system consists of new lighter and better vests, new NVG's, a PDA (personal data assistant), new weapons (like AG36 for G36, MP7 PDW), new radio equipment w. gps and so on.

[seventy6er]

http://www.sondereinheiten.de/kampfschwimmer/pics/kampfs019.jpg

Can someone ID these gloves? They look like biker-gloves to me. :oops:

[Kitsune]

Thats something I don't like about KSK...they obviously hate being photographed. All those pictures are quite old...and new ones are hard to come by. In fact I would love to see some new ones taken in Afghanstan.

Perhaps one of those guys writes a book someday...

:(

[Gringo]

Thats something I don't like about KSK...they obviously hate being photographed. All those pictures are quite old...and new ones are hard to come by. In fact I would love to see some new ones taken in Afghanstan.

Perhaps one of those guys writes a book someday...

:(

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/allied_germany/ksk012.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/allied_germany/seal06.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/allied_germany/a_ksk01.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/allied_germany/a_ksk02.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/allied_germany/KSK_Humvee_closeup.jpg

[seventy6er]

Thats something I don't like about KSK...they obviously hate being photographed. All those pictures are quite old...and new ones are hard to come by. In fact I would love to see some new ones taken in Afghanstan.

Perhaps one of those guys writes a book someday...

:(

The photo above shows dudes from the Kampfschwimmer-Kompanie and is from the early 90s... All the KSK-pics on the net are kinda old, it's been nearly a year since I last saw a "new" one.

[baker]

http://www.yourfileupload.com/photo/img/51035be1f876dc0927bd9f297d925f38/MG_4.jpg
http://www.yourfileupload.com/photo/img/78c119cc66cbe1be59900037e99d262d/G36_AG.jpg
http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/PA_1_0_LT/PortalFiles?yw_repository=youatweb&yw_contentURL=%2FC1256F87004CF5AE%2FW26LMGGM674INFODE%2Fimage_popup.jpg
http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/PA_1_0_LT/PortalFiles?yw_repository=youatweb&yw_contentURL=%2FC1256F87004CF5AE%2FW26LN9BG421INFODE%2FG82_1.jpg