Poland to extradite MP3 suspect

[Musashi]

For fvck's sake, why does everybody claim he is a Pole, while he is a Gypsy just with a Polish passport? Not to provoke anti-Gypsy violence in Belgium? Entire my nation have to suffer for that fvcka, while he is NOT a Pole. If you are a Belgian and move to Saudi Arabia it does not make you Arab. The same about him, calling him a Pole would be an offence also for HIM. The second teenager who was with him (but not killed the Belgian) was probably a Pole.
I pray that scumbag will get a life sentence in Belgium (he could be sentenced up to 25 years in Poland as immature) and will be in a Polish jail, where he will serve as a "girl". Jails in Belgium are too luxury for such scumbags.


Poland to extradite MP3 suspect
A Polish court has ruled a youth can be extradited to Belgium to be tried over the killing of a teenager who refused to give thieves his MP3 player.

But the court in Warsaw said the 17-year-old must serve his sentence in Poland if found guilty.

The murder of Joe Van Holsbeeck, 17, at Brussels central station on 12 April shocked Belgium and brought 80,000 protesters onto the streets.

Another suspect, a Polish-born youth of 16, was arrested in Brussels.

The arrests at the end of April came after a joint operation between Belgian and Polish police.

Belgians shocked

Joe Van Holsbeeck was with a friend at the station during evening rush-hour when he was stabbed five times in the chest after refusing to hand over his digital music player.

The case became the talk of Belgium and led to the mass demonstration against urban violence.

Police used CCTV images to track down the attackers.

They arrested the 16-year-old Polish youth in Belgium soon afterwards. The 17-year-old was arrested in north-eastern Poland on 27 April.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5035300.stm

[Mr.K]

he is technically "Polish", you don't call a german of jewish descent a "Jew", you call him german, right? (well at least in the media) Same thing here.
Question: How do you get polish citizenship do your parents have to be polish, or you have to live in Poland?

[daily666]

Of course he's Polish, a Polish Gypsy. He was born in Poland, and Gypsies were living in Poland for years, just like in Romania, Slovakia or Hungary.

Musashi why do you say we have to suffer because of him? There are bastards everywhere, and I dare to say the purest-blood of the Poles are sometimes no better, as are Germans or Swedes.

If he committed that, he's sentenced by a Belgian Court or a prison in Poland, but only for 25 years (PM me so I can explain the legal matters).

[daily666]

Question: How do you get polish citizenship do your parents have to be polish, or you have to live in Poland?

You have to live in Poland, or if you have polish parent (ius sanguinis). In the first case you have to apply for a Polish citizenship.

[muede]

what a odd and racist remark, of course he is Polish.

[Musashi]

what a odd and racist remark, of course he is Polish.
The most appropriate term would be "a Polish Gypsy". Don't you understand if you called him "a Pole" it would be also an offence for HIM? These guys have really very little common with Poland. They don't indentify themselves with Poland on their OWN wish, they don't know Polish history, live in ghettos and if they have a whim, they manage to finish primary school. I am NOT a racist. As I said if you move to Saudi Arabia, you will not be an Arab or Chinese in China. It's completely other culture.
"Polish Gypsy" is a fully acceptable term for me.
The parents of that scumbag did everything to protect him and I heard in the Polish TV his mother said "a tragedy befall his son". What a pitiful bi*ch. Somehow she did not notice a tragedy of the Belgian.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Musashi - you are pushing the limits with your blatantly racist comments. I suggest that you desist immediately if you wish to have a future on this board - understood?

Forum rules (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1554) are quite clear - see No.4

[Musashi]

Understood. I don't know why the term "Polish Gypsies" is not appropriate. Calling them "Poles" would be an offence (racism) towards them.

Regards,
Chris

[Asheren]

Delta problem is that he has a lot of right. I understand many peoples than not live here consider Mushashi post racist. Killer is a Gypsie here we call them Gypsies not Poles. I never ecountered here someone writing or calling them Poles in everyday life. While Polish jews or peoples with German roots like me are generaly considered as Poles, Gypsies aren't considered as Poles by Poles and by Gypsies themself. They use their own langue openly on streets not polish especialy in recent times while peoples are more tolerant and no logner Gypsie is synonime for a thief. They know Polish but they don't use them unless they talk with somone that don't know gypsie langue. They also have habbit to talk with each other using it when they talk with somone not knowing their langue. Offen they don't send their kids to Polish schools or let their kids play with Polish kids. During cease we saw that hey help each other to escape from Polish law. They also offen use their own laws amongst each other even if it collides with Polish law. etc. etc.

This situation is similiar to Turks living in Germany. While some of them have German citizenship they arn't considered Germans by Germans and by themself. I think many peoples in germany would be upset if Turkish immigrant with German citizenship blowup himself in USA and media reported this that German blowup himself in US.

Ps. Daily don't tell me that you use term Polish Gypsie in every day life. ;)

[daily666]

Well guys here are right, he should be called Polish Gypsy that's it.

[Asheren]

There is a cease in Poland currently where Gypsie is accused of having ****** relation with underage girl. He said that he don't understand why they drag him to court because marriage was made according to Gypsies tradition.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Polish Gypsy is a permissible and probably accurate description, but to use the term "Gypsy" in a clearly derogatory fashion is not. I'm sure the guy concerned would be happy to be referred to as a Polish Gypsy, after all I'm sure he is just as entitled to a Polish passport as Lech Walesa or the late Pope John Paul II.

My point initially was what is/isn't permissible under the terms of MP.Net's racism rule (Rule #4). Racist behaviour is one of the easiest ways to be awarded a DW58 free MP.Net vacation.

[Asheren]

Well in Poland there is nothing derogatory in that term. We use two terms to describe them Romowie and Cyganie. Term Romowie is more "politicaly correct" but even Gypsies use term Cyganie. Closest translation in both ceases would be term Gypsie. I think we entered political correctness swamp. In school we have subject called knowledge about society. According to it Gypsies are a nation without country. I think there is a main problem in our discusion from our view they are a diffrent nation that live here because they don't have their own country.This term also carry some degree of negative meaning but its caused by their reputation in our society. They are considered thieves etc. Unfortunatly this is partialy true there is a centuries old mistrust beven our nations and many Gypsies do a lot to make their reputation even worse. We have word cyganic(almost forgotten word and not many peoples use it today) that mean to lie/cheat soo direct meaning of word Cyganie would be cheaters,liars. If i use term for examle stinky gypsies etc. this would be considered racist while word Gypsie would be in our contry completly acceptable. Somtimes there is used a term "narodowosc Romska" its meaning Gypsie nationality. It is also used by both Gypsies and Poles. Term Polish Gypsies is very rare.

You know something that is politicaly correct in my country not neccesarly is politicaly correct in yours.

[DeltaWhisky58]

You know something that is politicaly correct in my country not neccesarly is politically correct in yours.

To use a British expression, You have hit the nail on the head there. To be politically correct, here in The UK we are not even allowed to refer to Gypsies any more for fear of upsetting other Travellers or Travelling People as we have to describe them.

Whatever, this is in danger of going way off topic.
It is perfectly clear what I meant and why I posted it, let's stick to the rules and not be racist, OK?

[Vandervahn]

For fvck's sake, why does everybody claim he is a Pole, while he is a Gypsy just with a Polish passport? ...

Because despite your attempts to make an irrelevant distinction between Poles and Gypsies, he is a polish citizen before the LAW, and in diplomatic terms. The political structure of the Occident demand people to have some nationality, whether these citizens value their citizenship is another question and not of importance in the context.

Also, you and others in this thread obviously do not see the difference between ethnicity and citizenship. You may be a Pole of Polish ethnicity, while he might be a Pole of Gypsy ethnicity. Still you are BOTH Poles as far as it matters to official institutions like a court.

Same applies to your Belgium-Saudi Arabia remark: Yes, the Belgian will never become an Arab. If he is eligible for citizenship (which might be a problem depending on Saudi-Arabias immigration policy) there is however nothing to stop him from becoming a SAUDI-Arabian with a belgian ethnicity (or more appropiately heritage).

Ultimately, that whole obsolete ethnicity BS is what causes a LOT of conflicts in this world (example: Balkan war), you should get rid of valueing ethnicity. Personally I am very glad that the issue of ethnicity has become largely marginalized in core Europe, it causes nothing but unnecessary problems.

[signatory]

Well guys here are right, he should be called Polish Gypsy that's it.

Ok I was staying out of this thread... but damn I have to bring out the finger again.

Gypsy is a derogatory name. It's connected to sending criminals to EGypt.

Roma is what they are but an old term is hard to get rid of, in western media I really only see UK Tabloids still using the term gypsy...

If anything he's a "Polish Rom"

[daily666]

Than what about "Gypsy Kings" signatory? ;)

It's nothing offensive in Poland (believe me or not) when you say "Cygan" (a Gypsy in Polish) to a Gypsie. Maybe in your country it's offensive but in Poland not at all. However, you're right, the most appropriate name is "Roma". Regards

[signatory]

Than what about "Gypsy Kings" signatory? ;)

It's nothing offensive in Poland (believe me or not) when you say "Cygan" (a Gypsy in Polish) to a Gypsie. Maybe in your country it's offensive but in Poland not at all. However, you're right, the most appropriate name is "Roma". Regards


Well it's not a huge issue but I can assure you since 30 years or so there's a change going on to erase the term gypsie, it started among themselves and moving forward to all levels on society.. with the EU talking the lead. In a few years also in Poland it will be 'rude' to call them anything but Roma... but you wont see them burn flags and storm embassies if you say gypsie p-)

I just wanted to make a correction to the wording of that ethnic group...

[Asheren]

There was such campagin some time ago but it seems they gave up generaly especialy in situation when Polish Roms themself use term Gypsie. Its kinda hard to demand from peoples to not use term you use.