Your country's CSAR units

[seventy6er]

MARINO inspired me to make a thread about different CSAR-units. Please post your pics. I can't post any, cause Germany ain't got no CSAR-unit :oops:

[Bert]

Hah, neither do we. I don't imagine those signal-orange sea kings of ours being of much use in combat.

[melbeach]

http://www.920rqw.afrc.af.mil/
not that many pics though

Training Video : http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060525/VIDEO/60524022

[signatory]

Afaik Sweden don't have a dedicated CSAR unit but does incorporate CSAR training and exercises with NATO/pfp. Still want pics of that ?

[easyand]

Italian 15° Stormo, with HH3F mkIII helicopters and C-SAR operators, since 2010 this helo will be replaced with EH101 CSAR.

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/Sitoam/Images/SitoAm_174914374-19.jpg

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/Sitoam/Images/SitoAm_174914375-1.jpg

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/Sitoam/Images/SitoAm_174914374-13.jpg

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/SitoAM/Images/12858-2.jpg

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/SitoAM/Images/12858-14.jpg

[chris450]

here are some pics of the newly formed(a couple years old) 31 MEE of the Hellenic Airforce,or "Achilles" unit...


http://clubs.pathfinder.gr/getphoto.php?album=37441&pic_id=8

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/GREEK-AIRBORNE/ENOPLES%20DYNAMEIS/31_1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/GREEK-AIRBORNE/ENOPLES%20DYNAMEIS/31_2.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/GREEK-AIRBORNE/ENOPLES%20DYNAMEIS/31_3.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/GREEK-AIRBORNE/ENOPLES%20DYNAMEIS/31_7.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/GREEK-AIRBORNE/ENOPLES%20DYNAMEIS/31_8.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/GREEK-AIRBORNE/ENOPLES%20DYNAMEIS/31N.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/GREEK-AIRBORNE/ENOPLES%20DYNAMEIS/31N_1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/GREEK-AIRBORNE/ENOPLES%20DYNAMEIS/31_6.jpg

http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/3091/31mee3uz.jpg

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53823&page=2

[Navor]

We Germans also will have an dedicated CSAR Unit as soon the NH90 will arrive and put into the service of Luftwaffe

[Nevins]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3467/dfsd05070161ks.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dfsd05070161ks.jpg)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2499/dfsd02081003bq.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dfsd02081003bq.jpg)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2499/dfsd02081003bq.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dfsd02081003bq.jpg)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7949/dfsd05083354xn.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dfsd05083354xn.jpg)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9439/dfsd05083291vd.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dfsd05083291vd.jpg)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4363/dfsd05083374vj.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dfsd05083374vj.jpg)

[HEAT]

here are some pics of the newly formed(a couple years old) 31 MEE of the Hellenic Airforce,or "Achilles" unit...


http://clubs.pathfinder.gr/getphoto.php?album=37441&pic_id=8




The squadron is 6-7 years old :)

[AirCommando]

I can't post any, cause Germany ain't got no CSAR-unit :oops:
Verdammt wrong! I sugest to read about CSAR-Kerngruppe by Lufttransportgruppe 62 in Holzdorf. It´s not the problem that Germany don´t have a CSAR Detachement, it´s the problem that you don´t have any fotos about them.

[chris450]

The squadron is 6-7 years old :)

well thats recent isnt it?:) ..its the "youngest"unit in the armed forces...i think it was formed around the year 2000,in contrast to the other SF units which have a long history..

[Jester]

It´s not the problem that Germany don´t have a CSAR Detachement,

The development Detachement in Holzdorf isn´t an operational CASR unit. Their job is to develop the tactic´s for the future german air force CSAR- squadron. They only have a very limited opportunity´s to conduct CSAR training missions.

[MARINO]

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/0/4/3/1054340.jpg
http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/0/1/4/0912410.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8172/10543405hz.jpg
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/1981/119jl.jpg
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/821/108uf.jpg
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/8798/1521xg.jpg
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/1390/volcanex20030129js.jpg
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/496/volcanex20030356bd.jpg
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/1632/90wb.jpg
http://www.defensa.com/revistas/2003/diciembre/images/zapadores-4.jpg
http://www.defensa.com/revistas/2003/diciembre/images/zapadores-2.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8760/volcx03gr001ar.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1887/volcx03gr014gw.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/6051/volcx03gr20yy.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2331/volcx03gr108fo.jpg
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/1034/wzpac0ue.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album53/ach.sized.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9956/ezapac93rz2iw.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7640/sdfs5nm.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3563/sdfasd7dz.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7786/ezapac82cx8dz.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3133/ezapac64ro2qz.jpg


In fact our CSAR unit is the EZAPAC for the ARMAD it's the UOE.

[AirCommando]

The development Detachement in Holzdorf isn´t an operational CASR unit. Their job is to develop the tactic´s for the future german air force CSAR- squadron. They only have a very limited opportunity´s to conduct CSAR training missions.
Jester, I know that. But it existe a lot of very good pictures about them and by the way, they train as a unit with "Kampfretter" from the Objektschutzbataillon at the VOLCANEX serie.

[zkurvenepice]

233.vrl SAR (W-3A) and 232.vrl (Mi-17/171)

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3978/12fz1.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12fz1.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1682/5fd6ap.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5fd6ap.jpg) http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2645/054314mn.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=054314mn.jpg) http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3638/10480905ma.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10480905ma.jpg)

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2194/10501309xf.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10501309xf.jpg) http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7094/10501290ao.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10501290ao.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9546/10489697bu.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10489697bu.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2677/10535702od.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10535702od.jpg)

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5527/brezen169ld.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brezen169ld.jpg) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1866/t4hq.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t4hq.jpg) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5985/df77fm.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=df77fm.jpg) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3356/gal23or.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gal23or.jpg)


http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/205/gal58fq.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gal58fq.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7343/gal106ie.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gal106ie.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9707/gal72fw.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gal72fw.jpg) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3008/helo28007lp.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helo28007lp.jpg)


http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7005/kn05033um.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kn05033um.jpg) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1053/kn05135iu.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kn05135iu.jpg) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1690/kn05076ng.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kn05076ng.jpg) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7990/helo28927zb.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helo28927zb.jpg)


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2299/loop3uz.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loop3uz.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9726/myaviationnetphotoid004570746f.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myaviationnetphotoid004570746f.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1256/pravy11ky.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pravy11ky.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6651/mp5w0479jpg613599fs.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mp5w0479jpg613599fs.jpg)


http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/47/p1100851jpg748420qt.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1100851jpg748420qt.jpg) http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1835/p1080152jpg622612mk.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1080152jpg622612mk.jpg)

[orso]

Italian 15° Stormo, with HH3F mkIII helicopters and C-SAR operators, since 2010 this helo will be replaced with EH101 CSAR.

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/Sitoam/Images/SitoAm_174914374-19.jpg

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/Sitoam/Images/SitoAm_174914375-1.jpg

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/Sitoam/Images/SitoAm_174914374-13.jpg

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/SitoAM/Images/12858-2.jpg

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/SitoAM/Images/12858-14.jpgIs this the same helicopter used by the Americans during Vietnam nicknaming it the"jolly greeen giant"?

[spectre17]

Yes, It was... it is the HH-3 Pelican in Italian service I believe.

[kayaker]

Brill pics everyone!! Keep up the good work. Dont know of any specialised UK CSAR units: sar/sas

[moughoun]

Brill pics everyone!! Keep up the good work. Dont know of any specialised UK CSAR units: sar/sas
isn't that that one of the task's the guy's from the RAF regiment in the new JSFG are supposed to do....

[Noob Brit]

Not strictly on topic but it kind of fits and I think it looks cool as hell so I'm putting it in here. What the proposed US101 CSAR aircraft for the USAF might look like...

http://www.agustawestland.com/dinimg/US101_02_lg.jpg
High Res (http://www.agustawestland.com/dinimg/US101_02.JPG)

http://www.agustawestland.com/dinimg/US101_01_lg.jpg
High Res (http://www.agustawestland.com/dinimg/US101_01.JPG)

http://www.agustawestland.com/dinimg/US101_03_lg.jpg
High Res (http://www.agustawestland.com/dinimg/US101_03.JPG)

.50cals, Stingers and CRV7 rockets :)

Now if only the RAF similarly equipped it's Merlins. 28sqn reportedly has a number of crews trained in CSAR already and work is underway to increase the Merlins maxmimum take off weight, fit miniguns and chaff dispensers and begin air to air refueling.

[Cardinal]

Great thread!

[seventy6er]

Jester, I know that. But it existe a lot of very good pictures about them and by the way, they train as a unit with "Kampfretter" from the Objektschutzbataillon at the VOLCANEX serie.

I know that there is a unit that evaluates tactics, equipment etc. but we don't officially have a CSAR-unit operational.

Could you post some of your very good pics? That'd be nice...

[Nightstalker_pl]

Poland:

In Poland Combat SAR tasks are made by units like for e.g. 25th Air Cavalry Brigade or 1st Special Regiment.
Also, GROM Unit is prepared to do this job :)

CSAR Units use helikopters: W-3 Sokół, Mi-8 (NATO code: "Hip") and Mi-24 ("Hind")

More info about GROM: www.grom.mil

[He219]

Schnelle Rettung aus der Gefahr (http://www.luftwaffe.de/portal/a/luftwaffe/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4_3NvAFSYGYAYb6kTChoJRUfV-P_NxUfW_9AP2C3IhyR0dFRQDeaZ5T/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfN19LME0!?yw_contentURL=%2F01DB060000000001%2FW26PXN42470INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp) Die Luftwaffe hat auf der ILA nicht nur Jets zu bieten. In einer Rettungsübung zeigen die Soldaten, wozu Hubschrauber und Transportflugzeuge in der Lage sind.

http://www.luftwaffe.de/portal/PA_1_0_LT/PortalFiles/02DB060000000001/W26PXNC4419INFODE/image_popup.jpg?yw_repository=youatweb


Zwei Bell UH-1D setzen die Objektschützer ab (Quelle Luftwaffe)

http://www.luftwaffe.de/portal/PA_1_0_LT/PortalFiles/02DB060000000001/W26PXNEH269INFODE/image_popup.jpg?yw_repository=youatweb


Nase runter: Die Transall C-160 während des Sarajevoanflugs (Quelle Luftwaffe)

http://www.luftwaffe.de/portal/PA_1_0_LT/PortalFiles/02DB060000000001/W26PXNLW068INFODE/image_popup.jpg?yw_repository=youatweb


Schnellstmöglich laufen die Soldaten zur Transall geschützt von der Bell UH-1D (Quelle Luftwaffe)

[easyand]

Is this the same helicopter used by the Americans during Vietnam nicknaming it the"jolly greeen giant"?

Mainly the same helo, but a newer version with FLIR, radar, defensive aid suite, NVG, HUD and other "special forces like" things.
Italy has 20 of them equipped for SAR (MK I) and 15 for CSAR (MK II), The CSAR version was delivered in early '90 and now updated to MK III version.

[AirCommando]

but we don't officially have a CSAR-unit operational.
Could you post some of your very good pics? That'd be nice...
Right, they´re not operational in the sense of "ready to deployment" but they train very hard as a unit without any public notice...........and are very good.
By the way, I´m sorry, pictures will be released at first in magazines, than in the net.

[seventy6er]

Right, they´re not operational in the sense of "ready to deployment" but they train very hard as a unit without any public notice...........and are very good.
By the way, I´m sorry, pictures will be released at first in magazines, than in the net.

Can't wait to see them. Can you keep us updated (when and in what magazine they will be published)?

[be-HIND-eyes]

Also in Poland we've got something called LGPR( Lotnicza Grupa Poszukiwawczo Ratunkowa- Search And Rescue Air Team) .Their base is in Bydgoszcz and they are using W-3RL Sokół and MI-8RL helicopters and M-28 Bryza plane.
First pics is the old camouflage- please don' laugh to loud.Next is current painting

[be-HIND-eyes]

p-)I think you'll also loved those

[Nightstalker_pl]

Yeah, that's it :)

Now Hinds have got the same camouflage as the W-3 on previous picture has got. I have seen one of them in Góraszka last year (have you ever been there? p-) p-) )

[Nightstalker_pl]

And if we talk about Hinds: p-)

[be-HIND-eyes]

Hehe any comment to this pic??p-)

Yes , unfortunatelly they paint Hind's in the same way- now they look not so dangerous..
I think this is off topic but soon we will have 50th anniversary of PZL Świdnik- 50 years off building helicopters.p-)

[be-HIND-eyes]

You were talking about this??

But sure I'll miss those Mean-looking Eyes on the intakes..p-)

[Nightstalker_pl]

That's it :) p-)

"Nic dodać, nic ująć" :)

[kayaker]

not from my country but on of the few dedicated CSAR unit in the world....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/untitled10vk.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/aaa.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/060117-N-3541A-002.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/040405-F-0000S-006.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/030922-F-0000C-002.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/030701-F-5586B-004.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/030408-F-2034C-032.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/030406-F-2034C-024.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/3.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/1.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/pjpilotexfil.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/02ftx20.jpg

[MARINO]

beautifull pics

[kayaker]

anyone got any more outstanding pics of this unit?

[PereiraMarques]

Portuguese Air Force CSAR unit, RESCOM (RESgate de COMbate).

The author of this reports is LtCol (Res) Miguel Silva Machado, unfortunately they are only written in Spanish and French and only a small introductory text is available online, not the full reports, never the less...

«Opération de RESCOM (Resgate de Combate) de la FAP (Força Aérea Portuguesa). A gauche les commandos débarquent du Puma. A droite, après identification, le pilote embarque dans le Puma sous la protection des commandos.»
http://www.helicopassion.com/images/PUMA/puma182.jpg
http://www.helicopassion.com/images/PUMA/PUMA181.jpg

Source: http://www.helicopassion.com/fr/03/puma19.htm

EL SAR DE COMBATE DE LA FUERZA AÉREA PORTUGUESA

En el momento en el que la Fuerza Aérea Portuguesa (FAP) espera, a corto plazo, dotarse con nuevos helicópteros para misiones de búsqueda y rescate (SAR), indispensables teniendo en cuenta el enorme espacio marítimo puesto bajo su responsabilidad, DEFENSA ha seguido de cerca los primeros pasos de su equipo SAR de Combate: el RESCOM. Este es nuestro informe.

http://defensa.com/revistas/2001/septiembre/images/sar-1.gif

http://defensa.com/revistas/2001/septiembre/images/sar-2.jpg
http://defensa.com/revistas/2001/septiembre/images/sar-3.jpg
Source: http://defensa.com/revistas/2001/septiembre/entradillas/revseptiembre01-SAR.htm#cuño

This last image was taken by me and show the different Polícia Aérea (PoAF Military Police) specializations and badges. As you can see, the RESCOM bagde is a big cat head (jaguar, lynx??) under a dagger or sword...
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/4220/fap5a8tk.jpg

[Sirpad]

one of my best friends was an operator in the unit, 96-01. first he did regular work, after an injury he went instructor. these are his personal pics, taken during the training.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6832/150717047lj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9421/950978054hf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/869/301939484yo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4617/168245659ja.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8498/669751999uo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7136/854174508xn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8933/285097298ol.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

although most of you don't read hebrew, take a look here (http://www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=12867) - real-time helo rescue, a civilian who crashed his para-sail (or whatever those things are called)

[RIMA]

french name for CSAR is RESCO the main helicopter unit is the " escadron d'hélicoptère 1/67 Pyrénées" and the fighting unit is the commandos parachutistes de l'air n°20 and 30

[RIMA]

more pics .....

[corran.pl]

I see that some people on this forum should learn what is a deference between

SAR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_rescue) - Search and Rescue
CSAR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_rescue) - Combat Search and Rescue (Search and Rescue in hostile conditions, SF operations also count here)
MEDEVAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEDEVAC) – Transport of seriously wounded soldiers to hospitals
CASEVAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASEVAC) – Evacuation of wounded soldiers from front line conditions.


233.vrl SAR (W-3A) and 232.vrl (Mi-17/171)
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/47/p1100851jpg748420qt.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1100851jpg748420qt.jpg)

I don't know how it is about Mi-17s but Sokółs of Czech army are typical MEDEVAC, flying ambulances – something totally different from CSAR.


In Poland Combat SAR tasks are made by units like for e.g. 25th Air Cavalry Brigade or 1st Special Regiment.
Also, GROM Unit is prepared to do this job :)

CSAR Units use helicopters: W-3 Sokół, Mi-8 (NATO code: "Hip") and Mi-24 ("Hind")

Stop posting bull****. None of units you masoned is CSAR capable.

25th Air Cav has some Mi-8 that can easily be converted to perform MEDEVAC and CASEVAC missions, nothing more.
49th and 56th Combat Helicopter Regiments have some Mi-2RL to perform SAR missions, nothing more.


I know that there is a unit that evaluates tactics, equipment etc. but we don't officially have a CSAR-unit operational.

Same here...


Also in Poland we've got something called LGPR( Lotnicza Grupa Poszukiwawczo Ratunkowa- Search And Rescue Air Team) .Their base is in Bydgoszcz and they are using W-3RL Sokół and MI-8RL helicopters and M-28 Bryza plane.
First pics is the old camouflage- please don' laugh to loud. Next is current painting

... we have no real CSAR unit, but we have some Air Force SAR unit - 1st SAR Grup / 1 Lotnicza Grupa Poszukiwawczo-Ratownicza – part of 2nd Transport Aviation Squadron / 2 eskadra lotnictwa transportowo-łącznikowego from Bydgoszcz. This group evaluates tactics, equipment and when it receive new copters (we have some big competition for around 60-70 new copters to replace Mi-8, most probably it will be EH-101) will be capable also to perform CSAR missions. There are plans to create second SAR when new copter will be available.

In Iraq we have Bat-Man (short for: Batalion Manewrowy – maneuverable battalion) – that performs CASEVAC and CAS missions – (5x Mi-8, 6x (one lost) W-3W Sokół, 6x Mi-24D)

I hope that new copters will receive some camouflage – not this “mad mans dream” painting.

[zkurvenepice]

[quote=corran.pl]I see that some people on this forum should learn what is a deference between

SAR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_rescue) - Search and Rescue
CSAR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_rescue) - Combat Search and Rescue (Search and Rescue in hostile conditions, SF operations also count here)
MEDEVAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEDEVAC) – Transport of seriously wounded soldiers to hospitals
CASEVAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASEVAC) – Evacuation of wounded soldiers from front line conditions.



I don't know how it is about Mi-17s but Sokółs of Czech army are typical MEDEVAC, flying ambulances – something totally different from CSAR.


And you are typical clever boy. Official appellation of squadron with Sokols is 233. vrtulníková letka SAR (not MEDEVAC), and part of its activities is CSAR in cooperation with 231. letka bitevních vrtulníků of Hinds as well. 232. vrtulníková letka (Mi-17/171) is universal squadron for transport, CSAR, SAR, flying crane etc. All czech hellicopters squadrons of Přerov AB train CSAR and so they have CSAR specialization even Hinds 231th squadron.

[corran.pl]

And you are typical clever boy. Official appellation of squadron with Sokols is 233. vrtulníková letka SAR (not MEDEVAC), and part of its activities is CSAR in cooperation with 231. letka bitevních vrtulníků of Hinds as well. 232. vrtulníková letka (Mi-17/171) is universal squadron for transport, CSAR, SAR, flying crane etc. All czech hellicopters squadrons of Přerov AB train CSAR and so they have CSAR specialization even Hinds 231th squadron.

Whatever, if you don't understand that nigher W-3 nor Mi-24 are CSAR capable then I can't force you to do this.

CSAR units are elite units that train for ears to perform this type of missions, they have copters with most sophisticated defense systems on market (better then on assault copters) and copters capable of very long range runs (you noted air refueling probes on pictures posted by our friends in this topic?), but if you believe that all Czech units that have copters (all three of them) are CSAR capable - believe what you want.

[be-HIND-eyes]

Corran. I'm sure that You 've got a big knowledge but, fact that Czechs doesn't have sophisticated copters mean nothing. They have CSAR unit's- they train them. For now this is all that they can. Also remeber that they've got experience than we. And Sokół is very good chopper for them.

Also what you wrote about Bydgoszcz- I used another name but we were meaning the same- I didn't wrote that there is a CSAR unit- but I think we should mention it , becouse in few years with EH-101 (maybe:)) with experienced crew of this unit we will be able to have prof. CSAR unit a long as the Czechs. BUt for now- we have a lot to learn, and maybe we should ask Czechs for some private lessons- for example in using Sokół for same kind missions- geezzzz it's uor choppers and they have bigger experience of using it over land
Pozdrawiam Czechów i Polaków:)

P.S. When i was young once I spent summer in city called Tabor, polish helicopters from Świdnik AGRO were working there....sorry for off topic.

[jerka71_1]

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8954/pposition1bank37sg.jpg

Rumours say that all profiles mentioned above will just go as "personal recovery". So why argue?

[zkurvenepice]

Whatever, if you don't understand that nigher W-3 nor Mi-24 are CSAR capable then I can't force you to do this.

CSAR units are elite units that train for ears to perform this type of missions, they have copters with most sophisticated defense systems on market (better then on assault copters) and copters capable of very long range runs (you noted air refueling probes on pictures posted by our friends in this topic?), but if you believe that all Czech units that have copters (all three of them) are CSAR capable - believe what you want.

try to search some info about Mi-171, Mi-35 and Sokol and his czech modernization... for example all czech Mi-171 and Mi-35 already have equipment for external weapons, fuel tank pods (up to 6 hours fly), night vision equipment, EVU coolers, windows and doors machineguns holders, external and internal armour etc.... The modernisation of Mi-171 already started and Mi-35 and Sokol will start next year to this base standard
Mi-171: http://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=6617
Mi-35: http://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=6621 + fix undercarriage, shorter wings, x rear rotor (main rotor from Mi-28 already have), new missile system, new frontal gun.
Finally so I don´t know, why Czech army planned special unit for NATO and EU operation with specification assault and CSAR with 8 Mi-35 and 6 Mi-171 when these choppers haven´t capability for that according you?? Maybe you can advise Czech army headquarters that they are the lunetics.:) (air flueling system is condition for CSAR specification? Oh man, I don´t thin so)

[corran.pl]

try to search some info about Mi-171, Mi-35 and Sokol and his czech modernization... for example all czech Mi-171 and Mi-35 already have equipment for external weapons, fuel tank pods (up to 6 hours fly), night vision equipment, EVU coolers, windows and doors machineguns holders, external and internal armour etc.... The modernisation of Mi-171 already started and Mi-35 and Sokol will start next year to this base standard
Mi-171: http://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=6617
Mi-35: http://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=6621 + fix undercarriage, shorter wings, x rear rotor (main rotor from Mi-28 already have), new missile system, new frontal gun.

You still do not understand what is this whole CSAR thing about, do you? I'm not saying that Czech copters are bad, no Czech copters are pretty useful and modern, but they are not CSAR capable.

What is range of this CSAR copters?
What defense systems they have?
Do they have air refueling probes?
Do they have glass cockpit with interred navigation systems?
What combat experience does Czech pilots have?
etc etc etc
Finally so I don´t know, why Czech army planned special unit for NATO and EU operation with specification assault and CSAR with 8 Mi-35 and 6 Mi-171 when these choppers haven´t capability for that according you?? Maybe you can advise Czech army headquarters that they are the lunetics.:)

Maybe they are, this T-72M4 and ALCA projects profs this rather clearly.

[zkurvenepice]

Corran. I'm sure that You 've got a big knowledge but, fact that Czechs doesn't have sophisticated copters mean nothing. They have CSAR unit's- they train them. For now this is all that they can. Also remeber that they've got experience than we. And Sokół is very good chopper for them.

Also what you wrote about Bydgoszcz- I used another name but we were meaning the same- I didn't wrote that there is a CSAR unit- but I think we should mention it , becouse in few years with EH-101 (maybe:)) with experienced crew of this unit we will be able to have prof. CSAR unit a long as the Czechs. BUt for now- we have a lot to learn, and maybe we should ask Czechs for some private lessons- for example in using Sokół for same kind missions- geezzzz it's uor choppers and they have bigger experience of using it over land
Pozdrawiam Czechów i Polaków:)

P.S. When i was young once I spent summer in city called Tabor, polish helicopters from Świdnik AGRO were working there....sorry for off topic.

Také zdravím:-))) in Tábor? That´s near (about 20km from the base of Czech Sokols in Plzeň-Líně.:-))) Sokols are for SAR and transport as the first, but as you say it´s important who sits in it and what for. :-))) If I know only one czech army Sokol is adjust permanently for about something as MEDEVAC specialy on Plzeň airfield but for civilian accidents not only for army. That´s Kryštov 07 base of the Czech Republic SAR - Letecká pátrací a záchranná služba. Kryštov 01 is in Prague where is a czech state police EC 135 T2 and the other Kryštof bases are operated by civilian rescue companies...
BTW on Kryštof 01 in Prague the first W-3A was already tested for civilian SAR system in the Czech Republic in 1989:-)))

8137

[be-HIND-eyes]

:) Hehe a defence against probably attack of Corran. I'm not saying that our pilot are worse- Some off them are getting huge experince in Iraq. Unfortunatelly our procedures of flight are still far from procedurs in other countries(NOE) . I will also mention that Czechsgot much more less experience with SAR over see but this is logical.
When Czechs Sokół's are back to their nest for maintenance or for repairs you always can see a nice flights. Our pilots always flight in order and gentle- just go over airfield an land that-s all. Maybe Czechs got more fantasy:)
And if someone tell that Sokół is only chopper for transport come to Świdnik and watch what one of PZL Świdnik pilot whom i know personally is doing witch this machine- even Chechs are impressed.Our pilots especially trained in Bydgoszcz sholud learn of using Sokół's attributes , not only complain on it- many countries are using Puma helicopter in csar missions, and they know how to do it.
And Your definition of CSAR missions- I think that you read to much hamburgeiros literature of this. I think taht CSAR in european conditions is a little difrent. Let's look on our European friend not only American Friends.

And for the ending- I know that this is our national pride, but Czechs sometimesp-) admit than we 've got something better, we....hmmm we're not so keen on it, but we should.
I hope that maybe one Czech Sokół will be guest on PZL Świdnik anniversary.
...So Corran as You see- we've got choppers we 've got personel but what we need are procedures- maybe our "laydies" in our" pentagon" will learn something from Iraq and make them more effective. That is why i wrote that we can learn from Czechs.
Ane zkurvenepice thanks:) Unfortunatelly you toke lessons and you are using Sokół for medevac- our only Medevac Sokół in civilian service is not operational- but we are buying A-109 which spends more time on ground than in air- but maybe it looks better on picturesp-)
One question- what modernization of Sokół it would be- your are doing it at your own or Świdnik take part in it?

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Whatever, if you don't understand that nigher W-3 nor Mi-24 are CSAR capable then I can't force you to do this.

CSAR units are elite units that train for ears to perform this type of missions, they have copters with most sophisticated defense systems on market (better then on assault copters) and copters capable of very long range runs (you noted air refueling probes on pictures posted by our friends in this topic?), but if you believe that all Czech units that have copters (all three of them) are CSAR capable - believe what you want.


You still do not understand what is this whole CSAR thing about, do you? I'm not saying that Czech copters are bad, no Czech copters are pretty useful and modern, but they are not CSAR capable.

What is range of this CSAR copters?
What defense systems they have?
Do they have air refueling probes?
Do they have glass cockpit with interred navigation systems?
What combat experience does Czech pilots have?
etc etc etc
CSAR is a mission type, it has nothing to do neither with the helicopter type nor it's equipment. :roll:
Russian army has been using Mi-8/17s and Mi-24s for rescuing captured pilots in Chechnya, how would you call these operations? According to you they can't be called CSAR because the Hips don't have a glass cockpit so they aren't CSAR capable...

[jerka71_1]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4609/csar8rj.jpg

Brzeczyszczykiewicz is right on spot. Start by defining what CSAR is before comparing units!

[zkurvenepice]

:) Hehe a defence against probably attack of Corran. I'm not saying that our pilot are worse- Some off them are getting huge experince in Iraq. Unfortunatelly our procedures of flight are still far from procedurs in other countries(NOE) . I will also mention that Czechsgot much more less experience with SAR over see but this is logical.
When Czechs Sokół's are back to their nest for maintenance or for repairs you always can see a nice flights. Our pilots always flight in order and gentle- just go over airfield an land that-s all. Maybe Czechs got more fantasy:)
And if someone tell that Sokół is only chopper for transport come to Świdnik and watch what one of PZL Świdnik pilot whom i know personally is doing witch this machine- even Chechs are impressed.Our pilots especially trained in Bydgoszcz sholud learn of using Sokół's attributes , not only complain on it- many countries are using Puma helicopter in csar missions, and they know how to do it.
And Your definition of CSAR missions- I think that you read to much hamburgeiros literature of this. I think taht CSAR in european conditions is a little difrent. Let's look on our European friend not only American Friends.

And for the ending- I know that this is our national pride, but Czechs sometimesp-) admit than we 've got something better, we....hmmm we're not so keen on it, but we should.
I hope that maybe one Czech Sokół will be guest on PZL Świdnik anniversary.
...So Corran as You see- we've got choppers we 've got personel but what we need are procedures- maybe our "laydies" in our" pentagon" will learn something from Iraq and make them more effective. That is why i wrote that we can learn from Czechs.
Ane zkurvenepice thanks:) Unfortunatelly you toke lessons and you are using Sokół for medevac- our only Medevac Sokół in civilian service is not operational- but we are buying A-109 which spends more time on ground than in air- but maybe it looks better on picturesp-)
One question- what modernization of Sokół it would be- your are doing it at your own or Świdnik take part in it?

"our only Medevac Sokół in civilian service is not operational- but we are buying A-109 which spends more time on ground than in air- but maybe it looks better on pictures"
Why??? A-109 and not Sokol? I don´t understand....as for hypothetical example Iveco trucks instead of Tatras?

I don´t know about Sokol modernisation so much, because it will be specified next year, Only Mi-171 and Mi-35 modernisation specifications are known, check the links above, but I read in some all new army project dokument (only general items) that Sokols will get sliding map system sure next year other equipment will be specified later according to Mi-171 and Mi-35 modernisation and new today "maybe" goverment:-)))). Army Sokols have still very good electronical and navigation systems, that was condition for changing Mi-29s to Sokols in 1995:-))) About 20 Czech pilots and 120 members of Air Force have experiencies from 4 years Bosna and Hercegovina mission with Mi-17 of Přerov and Praha-Kbely AB between 1997 - 2001 (progressively nine choppers) and practising with 601st SFG, and NATO colleagues, even over sea:-)))) check this

Bosna 1997-2001
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near Elba, Grosseto AB, with 604th squadron of Italian Air force AB212 squadron exchange SAR (note SAR practise!, for corran), Jun 2005
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[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

but we are buying A-109 which spends more time on ground than in air- but maybe it looks better on picturesp-)
Huh? Where did you hear that?
The LPR's A109 proved to be a modern and reliable helicopter... Also, the purchase of this single machine doesn't mean that it's going to replace all Air Rescue helicopters, it was bought in order to gain some experiences with using a new generation helicopter. The tender for ca. 20 helicopters is going to be announced later this year.



Why??? A-109 and not Sokol? I don´t understand....as for hypothetical example Iveco trucks instead of Tatras?

Sokol was designed in the good old commie times, it's totally uneconomical as a civilian machine, it's mainenance costs are huge, it needs frequent overhauls and the engines consume lots of fuel. Some specific feautures (like high engine power and maneouverability) compensate these disandvantages when Sokol is used as a military helicopter, but they're inexcusable on the civilian market...

[corran.pl]

And Your definition of CSAR missions- I think that you read to much hamburgeiros literature of this. I think taht CSAR in european conditions is a little difrent. Let's look on our European friend not only American Friends.

You are posting so much Bull **** that I don't know witch thing I should strait first.

heh... CSAR units are some kind of copter SF units, and yes it is not gear that differs Special Forces from regular infantry, but for some kind of assignments you need special gear.

Sokół is great Air Cavalry copter, it was designed to be. It also can perform SAR operations for both civil and military as it is doing in both Poland and Czech Rep.

CSAR operations are SAR operations performed on the area controlled by enemy, that means you should penetrate enemy lines undetected trough front line find and evacuate shooted pilot (or SF operators), and go back.


And for the ending- I know that this is our national pride, but Czechs sometimesp-) admit than we 've got something better, we....hmmm we're not so keen on it, but we should.

I hope that maybe one Czech Sokół will be guest on PZL Świdnik anniversary.
...So Corran as You see- we've got choppers

No we have not. 30 years old Mi-8 are junks and Sokółs have to short range even for typical SAR (It was noted not so long ago in Przegląd Wojsk Lądowych)

I have never sad that we are better then Czechs, we have no operational CSAR unit, yet.


Ane zkurvenepice thanks:) Unfortunatelly you toke lessons and you are using Sokół for medevac- our only Medevac Sokół in civilian service is not operational-

What? We have no Medevac Sokół, we have one used for rescue missions in Tatra mountains and it is fully operational (not so long ago it rescued some students lost in mountains).

Sokół is to big (= to expensive) to be civil flying ambulance. We could use some PZL Kania but when some one is dying on board time is on the essence and that is why we both Agusta 109 Power – the fastest copter in its class. (A-109 all are co produced in PZL Świdnik).


but we are buying A-109 which spends more time on ground than in air- but maybe it looks better on pictures-)

Another bull****, Polish Medical Aviation has one A-109 Power because some PZL Mi-2 plus crashed not so long ago and there were to few copters to cover whole country (we need around 30 to do this), from what I know the pilots are pleased with new copter.


CSAR is a mission type, it has nothing to do neither with the helicopter type nor it's equipment. :roll:

CSAR is a mission type, one of the most difficult that can be, to perform this types of missions you need both equipment and training (penetrating hostile air defense systems is not so easy you know). As you probably know the best technical to master something is to specialize on only one thing – that is why countries all over the world create dedicated CSAR units.

But Czechs have unit that can perform attack, transport, medevac and csar missions... yeah right.


Russian army has been using Mi-8/17s and Mi-24s for rescuing captured pilots in Chechnya, how would you call these operations?

SAR, I don't know anything about some serious air defense owned by Chechens, in fact I think that tasks of Russian copters in Chechnya are very similar to the ones of Polish copters in Iraq.


practising with 601st SFG and NATO colleagues even over sea:-))))

Wow, even over sea, some serous **** - LOL

[be-HIND-eyes]

Ok, I will explain myself. A-109 is a very fast and reliable helicopter but, problems are caused of fact that was mentioned- it is single , one no more. The fact that it spend most of time in hangar I know from one of mechanic there in Warsaw. Not personally but from member of my family who knows him.
maybe now things changed- but i'm not so sure.Pilot maybe is pelased but people who work with this copter not so sure.
Second Corran- fact that you disagree with someone elso doesnt' prove that he's writing bull..... A little respect.:roll:
About CSAR if you have read carefully you would notice that Czechs will mix two or three types of choppers- Mi-35 Mi-171 and maube Sokół- and yes they will have the ability to attack, transport medevac and SAR. Each copter has it own duty in such mission.
Also what so funny with that that they trained over see- were the F**K they got a opportunity to train such a missions he????
And about Sokół- oh my God you are a Messaih-- Tell guys from Heliseco to change helicopters couse Sokół is not good for civilan operatoins- note that they are using Sokół in Spain, Tenerife to fight with fire.
And Sokół in Tatry is operated by Heliseco pilots and staff. And i think there is no other choppers in Poland to serve there right.
And Corran don't bother to tell me what is prodeced in Świdnik- I know what , i know where I know howp-)

Zkurvenepice- I'm your ally with this thread...Corran you are good partner for discuss- You have my respectp-)

[corran.pl]

And about Sokół- oh my God you are a Messaih-- Tell guys from Heliseco to change helicopters couse Sokół is not good for civilan operatoins- note that they are using Sokół in Spain, Tenerife to fight with fire.

I have never wrote such ting "Sokół is to big (= to expensive) to be civil flying ambulance. We could use some PZL Kania" chcek who you are refering to (hint: Brzeczyszczykiewicz)


And Sokół in Tatry is operated by Heliseco pilots and staff. And i think there is no other choppers in Poland to serve there right.

AFAIK Sokół in Tatra is opereted by Lotnicze Pogotowie Ratunkowe.
And you are also wrong that there are no other copters becuse Sokół owned by Straż Graniczna was very offen used in Tatra mounteins for rescue operations.

Sokół sn: 0908 used by Tatra Mountains Rescue:

http://www.lotnictwo.net/pic/0511/0511220052.jpg
http://www.lotnictwo.net/pic/0505/0505300080.jpg
http://www.lotnictwo.net/pic/0503/0503040016.jpg

[MARINO]

I thought this was about Combat Search and Rescue.
BTW there was a fire near my home, i've some pics and videos of Sokół in Spain,

[be-HIND-eyes]

Off course it was for Brzeczyszczykiewicz..my fault.
And for Sokół of Straż Graniczna- I know Corran. I mean taht we havent got another type of helicopter which can handle such operations- I didn't mean only Sokół of TOPR.
And for crews of Heliseco- I'm sure that Heliseco wre operating on this copter, but I'll check...maybe I misunterstood something, for sure Sokół of Heliseco were in TaTry while TOPR machine was in repair...but also i heard that staff still is working with this chopper. I'll check this
Przepraszam za nieporozumienie i błedne zrozumienie mego postu- co złego to nie jap-)

But we are hole off topic with ours 'battle on Sokół';)
Let's burry a hatchet and I'll buy a beer.
Zkurveneprice you're also invited:)

[corran.pl]

Off course it was for Brzeczyszczykiewicz..my fault.
And for Sokół of Straż Graniczna- I know Corran. I mean taht we havent got another type of helicopter which can handle such operations- I didn't mean only Sokół of TOPR.

OK, I understand. But I still must say that you are wrong, of course Mi-2 (and Mi-2 plus) have to weak engines to fly in hight mountains but Kania can. I saw pictures of Border Guard Kania's flying in Tatra mountains.


And for crews of Heliseco- I'm sure that Heliseco wre operating on this copter, but I'll check...maybe I misunterstood something, for sure Sokół of Heliseco were in TaTry while TOPR machine was in repair...

Yes, it is true.


but also i heard that staff still is working with this chopper. I'll check this

As I sad, what I know is that TOPRs Sokół i operated by LPR.


BTW there was a fire near my home,

Heliseco's Sokół are in Spain every year


i've some pics and videos of Sokół in Spain,

What are you waiting for? Post them p-)

PS. Zaraz wjazd zrobi jakiś Rusek i będzie pieprzył coś o kłótliwych Polakach

[corran.pl]

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[GREEK71AIRBORNE]

Fantastic pictures!
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[dewafrost]

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ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIRFORCE CSAR TEAM...

[Ryan-John]

Not strictly on topic but it kind of fits and I think it looks cool as hell so I'm putting it in here. What the proposed US101 CSAR aircraft for the USAF might look like...

http://www.agustawestland.com/dinimg/US101_02_lg.jpg


.50cals, Stingers and CRV7 rockets :)

Now if only the RAF similarly equipped it's Merlins. 28sqn reportedly has a number of crews trained in CSAR already and work is underway to increase the Merlins maxmimum take off weight, fit miniguns and chaff dispensers and begin air to air refueling.

Yes proposed for the USAF CSAR, but will be also used to "I think" replace some UH-60 roles throughout the U.S. Military, and yes it does very much resemble the Merlin ( fargin beautiful chopper! ) it is totally redesigned. either by Boeing, or some other large corp. I don't remember...

[Ryan-John]

not from my country but on of the few dedicated CSAR unit in the world....

















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Oh thank you for finding these pics. Great!! woot

[corran.pl]

http://www.agustawestland.com/dinimg/US101_02_lg.jpg

And that is what I'm talking about - Four of this for Polish Air Force please!

[kayaker]

Oh thank you for finding these pics. Great!! woot

No drama Ryan ;)

[Boina verde]

http://www.agustawestland.com/dinimg/US101_02_lg.jpg

And that is what I'm talking about - Four of this for Polish Air Force please!

WE (Portugal) have 4 of those for CSAR!

[kayaker]

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/060214-F-8769P-176.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/050713-N-9500T-250.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/116293571nrovyuph8mn.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/030703-F-5586B-003.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/030418-F-2034C-011.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/040805-F-7194F-018.jpg

Enjoy ;) (All from AF.mil)

[jerka71_1]

Yes proposed for the USAF CSAR, but will be also used to "I think" replace some UH-60 roles throughout the U.S. Military, and yes it does very much resemble the Merlin ( fargin beautiful chopper! ) it is totally redesigned. either by Boeing, or some other large corp. I don't remember...

Lockheed Martin and Bell Helicopter together with Agusta Westland. They should have enough competence within that team.

http://www.teamus101.com/index.cfm

[HEAT]

FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska -- Members of the 31st Rescue Squadron home based at Kadena Air Base, rescue victims trapped in a vehicle during a CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) mission for exercise Northern Edge 06 here on 6 June. Northern Edge 2006 is a joint training exercise hosted by Alaskan Command and is one of a series of U.S. Pacific Command exercises that prepare joint forces to respond to crises in the Asian Pacific region.
USAF Photos by SSgt Joshua Strang


http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4041/060606f3488s1425ub.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s1425ub.jpg)http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2441/060606f3488s1775rf.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s1775rf.jpg)http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/682/060606f3488s2549uk.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s2549uk.jpg)http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2051/060606f3488s2349mk.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s2349mk.jpg)

[Ozymandias]

Hello people......it's my second post here. Love the pics!

I really cannot understand how some people think so highly of the A109. In Greece it was used as civilian Medevac by our national Emergency health care oranization, EKAB (albeight in adverse conditions, over water, bad weather etc) and the machine failed miserably even resulting in several crashes

Another thing....the Hellenic Army is aquiring a number of NH90 helicopters, several of them will be SpecOps models. Perhaps they will too be used as SAR birds

[kayaker]

FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska -- Members of the 31st Rescue Squadron home based at Kadena Air Base, rescue victims trapped in a vehicle during a CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) mission for exercise Northern Edge 06 here on 6 June. Northern Edge 2006 is a joint training exercise hosted by Alaskan Command and is one of a series of U.S. Pacific Command exercises that prepare joint forces to respond to crises in the Asian Pacific region.
USAF Photos by SSgt Joshua Strang


http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4041/060606f3488s1425ub.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s1425ub.jpg)http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2441/060606f3488s1775rf.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s1775rf.jpg)http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/682/060606f3488s2549uk.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s2549uk.jpg)http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2051/060606f3488s2349mk.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s2349mk.jpg)

Some exotic pics mate, nice one!! ...esspecially love the car one!!

[HEAT]

Hello people......it's my second post here. Love the pics!

I really cannot understand how some people think so highly of the A109. In Greece it was used as civilian Medevac by our national Emergency health care oranization, EKAB (albeight in adverse conditions, over water, bad weather etc) and the machine failed miserably even resulting in several crashes

Another thing....the Hellenic Army is aquiring a number of NH90 helicopters, several of them will be SpecOps models. Perhaps they will too be used as SAR birds
Ozy welcome
you know me for HellasAirsoft :)
The A109 is a great helicopter but not for the use we want it in Greece.
I know this helicopter and its good, with good engine and avionics but its not a Super Puma.We need a fast aircraft to do this job and not a heli.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Wallpapers-more-From-HEAT/aaj.sized.jpg

Hellenic Air Force CSAR AS332c1 Super Puma
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Wallpapers-more-From-HEAT/aau.sized.jpg
see my Artwork (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Wallpapers-more-From-HEAT)

[abncougar]

FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska -- Members of the 31st Rescue Squadron home based at Kadena Air Base, rescue victims trapped in a vehicle during a CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) mission for exercise Northern Edge 06 here on 6 June. Northern Edge 2006 is a joint training exercise hosted by Alaskan Command and is one of a series of U.S. Pacific Command exercises that prepare joint forces to respond to crises in the Asian Pacific region.
USAF Photos by SSgt Joshua Strang


http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4041/060606f3488s1425ub.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s1425ub.jpg)http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2441/060606f3488s1775rf.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s1775rf.jpg)http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/682/060606f3488s2549uk.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s2549uk.jpg)http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2051/060606f3488s2349mk.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060606f3488s2349mk.jpg)

I wonder if they work with the USCG SAR units at all. its supposed to be a busy season up there during fishing and crabbing season. from what ive read its the most dangerous USCG aviation job on the market

[RAFREGT.]

british CSAR is now carried out by personnel from the RAF Regiment attached to 28/33 sqn RAF.

[Elemental666]

Israeli 669 CSAR unit.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l65/Elemental16/669-idf-1.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l65/Elemental16/12.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l65/Elemental16/669-27.jpg

[kamarian]

CSAR in Australia is carried out by the SASR and 4RAR Commando, thought the RAAF ADG's maybe doing this role as well. Helicopters used are the Blackhawk, (Though ours arent fitted out like the USAF PJ's), and soon we will be using the MRH-90 as well. The only oficial RAAF SAR helicopter is this:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3677/dscn0362ba5.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0362ba5.jpg)

This is the SAR Helicopter used to suppert the Roulettes wherever they are flying.

[Lancero]

Portuguese Air Force CSAR unit, RESCOM (RESgate de COMbate).

http://www.helicopassion.com/images/PUMA/puma182.jpg
http://www.helicopassion.com/images/PUMA/PUMA181.jpg


http://defensa.com/revistas/2001/septiembre/images/sar-2.jpg
http://defensa.com/revistas/2001/septiembre/images/sar-3.jpg


They left the Puma. Now they ride in these:
Agusta-Westland EH-101 Merlin Mk.516 (http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?aircraft=Agusta-Westland EH-101 Merlin Mk.516) - CSAR

In this public display, they were supported by a Al III heli cannon.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga3.jpg


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga4.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga5.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga6.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga7.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga8.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga9.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga10.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga11.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga12.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga13.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga14.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/cspotter/braga15.jpg

[variable]

MARINO inspired me to make a thread about different CSAR-units. Please post your pics. I can't post any, cause Germany ain't got no CSAR-unit :oops:

What makes a CSAR unit a CSAR unit? Can't you take a handful of paratroopers and a medic, stuff them into a NH90, get 2 Tigers airborne for protection and voila you got the CSAR team? :)

Excuse my lack of knowledge, I ain't military.

Great pics, btw.

[variable]

But it existe a lot of very good pictures about them.


Nice thing. Do you mind share them, sir?

[GiladS]

Israeli 669 CSAR unit.


Certainly saw a lot of action in Lebanon.

[Elemental666]

Certainly saw a lot of action in Lebanon.

Indeed,brave guys.

[kayaker]

What makes a CSAR unit a CSAR unit? Can't you take a handful of paratroopers and a medic, stuff them into a NH90, get 2 Tigers airborne for protection and voila you got the CSAR team? :)

Excuse my lack of knowledge, I ain't military.

Great pics, btw.
I cant answer your Q, but well worth asking. Nice example mate ;)

[Sand Man]

This is one good thread ... post some more! ;)

[AlphaOneSix]

What makes a CSAR unit a CSAR unit? Can't you take a handful of paratroopers and a medic, stuff them into a NH90, get 2 Tigers airborne for protection and voila you got the CSAR team?

Sure, that's a great ad-hoc CSAR team. But don't those guys have regular jobs? I mean, if the paras are from the infantry, don't they spend their training time working on whatever it is infantry people do (queen of battle and all)? And the NH-90 crew, what do they train for on a regular basis? A CSAR unit gets the name because that's all they train for, all the time, and it's their only purpose. They don't assault enemy positions, so they don't train for that.

[Dominique]

Good thread, while I'm at it, here's a list of countries that I know of with CSAR units.

USA - USAF Pararescue (PJ), USAF Rescue Squadrons (aviation assests).

As a side note , other US SOF (Rangers, SF, Delta, SEALs, CCT, 160th SOAR) and USMC MEU (SOC) TRAP teams, and MSPF have ben tasked with and conducted CSAR misions.

Argentina - Escuadron de Apoyo Comando (EAC - Air Force SOF/CSAR unit)

Brazil - PARA-SAR (Air Force SOF/CSAR)

Venezuela - Escuadrón 103 (AF CSAR unit), it's part of the AF's Grupo Aereo de Operaciones Especiales Nº 10 “Cobras” ( the AF special ops helo unit)
Chile - PARASAR (AF SAR unit)

Spain - EZAPAC (Air Force SOF/CSAR unit)

France - Commando Parachutiste de l'Air 30 (RESCO - Ground Security Element), Sauveteur-Plongeur RESCO (French Air Force Rescue Swimmers), and Escadron d'Hélicoptère 1/67 Pyrénées" (The Cougar helo unit).

Italy - 15° Stormo

Portugal - Equipa de Resgate de Combate (Combat Search and Rescue Teams) "RESCOM"

Greece - 31 MEE "Achilles"

Israel - Unit 669

Maylasia - Combat Air Rescue Team (CART) it's part of the Air Force's PASKAU unit.

Thailand - Royal Thai Air Force Commando Unit

South Korea - ROKAF Pararescue Squadron

Turkey - Air Force Search And Rescue Group Command

I know both the UK and Australia have discussed forming CSAR units from their Airbase Security/Ground Defense units (RAF Regiment and Airfield Defence Guards - ADG). There are probably others, but I'm not familiar with them. From what I've been able to gather, both of them currently use their SOF units (22 SAS, SBS, and SASR) for CSAR missions.

[Sand Man]

Sure, that's a great ad-hoc CSAR team. But don't those guys have regular jobs? I mean, if the paras are from the infantry, don't they spend their training time working on whatever it is infantry people do (queen of battle and all)? And the NH-90 crew, what do they train for on a regular basis? A CSAR unit gets the name because that's all they train for, all the time, and it's their only purpose. They don't assault enemy positions, so they don't train for that.

What if the folks they are supposed to rescue are inside a building held by tangos? Do they call in the cavalry of do they just assault the place?

[Kommbat]

Sorry no pix...but just to let you know that in the pre-KSK time we, the Kommandokompanie of each FallschirmjägerBrig., did trained CSAS a lot.
So since 1992 there was allways a unit at standby for CSAR.

[variable]

Sorry no pix...but just to let you know that in the pre-KSK time we, the Kommandokompanie of each FallschirmjägerBrig., did trained CSAS a lot.
So since 1992 there was allways a unit at standby for CSAR.

They had no equipment. No gunships, not proper choppers. How did they manage?

[AlphaOneSix]

What if the folks they are supposed to rescue are inside a building held by tangos? Do they call in the cavalry of do they just assault the place?

Well, that's not a CSAR mission, exactly, that's more like hostage rescue.

CSAR's mission is to rescue people *before* they are captured.

[Sand Man]

Thanks, AlphaOneSix...

Some cool pics from way back:
http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1469142&postcount=5
http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1472187&postcount=6

[andreen]

Sweden have got their CSAR-unit after some debate.
For some time now two units have "competed" for the role as the
Swedish Armed Forces CSAR unit. The two were the Air Assault battalion
and the Airbase Rangers.The CSAR and SERE knowledge have been isolated
in the Swedish Defence Forces Survival School.That is housed in K3 regiment
just as the Air Assault battalion.For that many thought the obvious choice
was the Air Assault battalion.But sense the Air Assault battalion is not a
unit that has group combat as their main task some question this choice.
Their task is to take down airfields/airport e.tc. And are trained as a
light infantry unit.

So the task went to the Airbase Rangers, as they are unit thar worlks in groups
nad use dogs for traking down sabotage units. And now get the job of traking down
pilots and other people in enemy country.

Of course we have SF-units (also located at K3) that know the CSAR-taskt, but now
wen we are puting upthe NBG with Norway, Finland and Estonia we needed a more
"ordinary" CSAR-unit.


Airbase Rangers CSAR

http://www.f17.mil.se/images/local/0603.jpg
http://www.f17.mil.se/images/local/0601.jpg
http://www.f17.mil.se/images/local/000.jpg
http://www.f17.mil.se/images/local/0602.jpg



Swedish Armed Forces SERE/Survival School has the overall responsibility for SERE and CSAR
training SAF-pilots, diplomats e.t.c within the area of Personal Recovery (PR).

The school participates in international exercises and is an associate participant in
the EAG SERE School commander's workgroup. The unit is responsible for tests and
development of equipment, methods and tactics in its area of responsibility and in
relation to that compiles training directives and safety regulations.
Officers from the school are manning PR staff positions on multinational HQ level in
PSO all over the world.The Swedish Armed Forces SERE School is responsible for
instructor training for the Swedish Defence Forces. The SERE school also conduct
courses for national and international air force pilots and special units.


http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/fos_csar040px520.jpg
http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/k3_060920-fos_orangerok.jpg
http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/fos_csar031px720.jpg
http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/ausdjungel.jpg
http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/ausoken.jpg
http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/k3_0608_fos_fallskarm_720.jpg


K3 Regiment
http://www.k3.mil.se/?lang=E
Prepairing for survival
http://www.k3.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=33867

[dongfangtall]

Members of Chinese CSAR Team are selected from elite paratroopers in special forces.




http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14409&stc=1&d=1159683896

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14408&stc=1&d=1159683821

Before they join in the CSAR, they get some lessons, for example, they learn how to use special equipments to locate beaconing .

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14411&stc=1&d=1159683975

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14412&stc=1&d=1159684012

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14413&stc=1&d=1159684049

[dongfangtall]

Compared with other paratroopers, they have some unique equipments.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14414&stc=1&d=1159685633

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14415&stc=1&d=1159685687


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14416&stc=1&d=1159686915


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14417&stc=1&d=1159685798

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14418&stc=1&d=1159685878

[dongfangtall]

In a battle field, they move residential tents in airport just nearby their planes , and always stay alert 24/7.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14421&stc=1&d=1159687323

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14422&stc=1&d=1159687361


Once they got a mission, they rushed into their Y-8.



http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14423&stc=1&d=1159687429



http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14425&stc=1&d=1159688451


Unlike many other countries, Chinese CSAR team does not arrive in site by helicopter.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14426&stc=1&d=1159688732

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14427&stc=1&d=1159688754

[dongfangtall]

The site, it would be in a lake, forest or anywhere around China.

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[dongfangtall]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14442&stc=1&d=1159692970

Just like many other countries, Chinese CSAR's evacuation is by helicopter, too.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14440&stc=1&d=1159692915

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14441&stc=1&d=1159692934

[Kommbat]

They had no equipment. No gunships, not proper choppers. How did they manage?

The equipment was ok. Not as high-speed-low-drag as today but that was over 10 years ago.

Gunships ? Did the Belgiums had real gunships ? We had Bell´s and CH53 with MG3´s.

Yes the choppers were old but in good condition. Look at the others. They still use the Bell and the CH47.

We spend allmost a whole week in Landsberg am Lech sitting in TrAl´s waiting for the go. We were ready. But I guess it was all about some politicans pissing there pants.

[AirCommando]

Originally Posted by Kommbat
Sorry no pix...but just to let you know that in the pre-KSK time we, the Kommandokompanie of each FallschirmjägerBrig., did trained CSAS a lot.
So since 1992 there was allways a unit at standby for CSAR.

They had no equipment. No gunships, not proper choppers. How did they manage?

New Info: CSAR Kernelement from Objektschutzregiment and Holzdorf CSAR Staffel.............

[variable]

New Info: CSAR Kernelement from Objektschutzregiment and Holzdorf CSAR Staffel.............

Which is supposed to mean....what?

[Eggy]

I don't think we have a dedicated CSAR unit. But I think we could certainly use one. Especially because our jet and helicopter pilots are seeing alot of combat and when a plane or helicopter crashes behind enemy lines or in unknown territory a unit like this could mean the difference between life and death.

[Kommbat]

New Info: CSAR Kernelement from Objektschutzregiment and Holzdorf CSAR Staffel.............

Which is supposed to mean....what?

I guess he want to note, that the elements in Holzdorf have the order to develop a CSAR-concept for the german Luftwaffe. They have send personal to other Nato CSAR-Units to pick up ideas for the new project.
They train a lot and play with stuff....but it´s not assigned Combat-Ready yet.

[Andrew116]

Just a quick question but can anyone give me a link or just the info on how many CSAR units the US has in Iraq and A-stan and if you have it hwo many missions do they like do a month or somthing, like how active are they.

[Nick_Karatzides]

Hellenic Air Force
31st SpecOps CSAR squadron



Click HERE (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2079628&postcount=231) for more infos for 31st SpecOps CSAR squadron in Greece

[SAS73]

HERE IS A VIDEO FROM PARATROOPERS IN SOME DRILLS IN IRAQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qgEko9FOf8

[Lancero]

Portuguese Air Force CSAR unit (RESCOM) promotional video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzMVOxEXn3c

PS - I suck at embed...

[variable]

Fixed it, mate:

http://www.youtube.com/v/mzMVOxEXn3c

[Boina verde]

Very nice video Lancero!

[shocker_HKG]

Japan Air Self Defense Force (JASDF) Air Rescue Wing (ARW)
http://park6.wakwak.com/~blueimpulse/airrescue/rqmark.gifCrest for ARW http://www.d4.dion.ne.jp/~fsaitoh/DSC00221111.JPG ARW crew cap
http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/modspants/2334970.jpghttp://www.dii.jda.go.jp/asdf/4wg/UH-60Jpoto7.jpg
http://ooisim.hp.infoseek.co.jp/photo/jasdaf/kv-107.jpghttp://www.nagoyatv.com/up/upT/img/050819_1.jpghttp://www.nagoyatv.com/up/upT/img/050819_3.jpghttp://www.mod.go.jp/asdf/asc/img/topic/20061024ep/20060907_01.jpg

JASDF Sgt. 1st Class Harada, Rescuer Training Instructor
http://jda-clearing.jda.go.jp/hakusho_data/2006/2006/image/i62c41p0

JASDF Komatsu Air Rescue Sq. conducting Annual High Mountain SAR Training Execrise
http://www.asagumo-news.com/graph/050623/05062301.jpghttp://www.asagumo-news.com/graph/050623/05062302.jpg
http://www.asagumo-news.com/graph/050623/05032304.jpghttp://www.asagumo-news.com/graph/050623/05062306.jpg
http://www.asagumo-news.com/graph/050623/05062305.jpghttp://www.d4.dion.ne.jp/~fsaitoh/000001471.jpg

[Lancero]

Fixed it, mate:

Tanks Variable!

[andreen]

Hi, Swedish Air Force Ranger in CSAR exercis with CPA 30, Italian PJ´s and pilots from Germany.
(VOLCANEX 07)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A8RJUnY36o

[Navor]

Nive Vid
Is there any Info who will now do this for the German Army.
Fallschirmjäger or Air Force

[IDF_TANKER]

Some 669(IDF CSAR) pictures from fresh.co.il:
http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/06/14/15071704.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/06/14/95097805.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/06/14/30193948.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/06/14/66975199.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/06/14/85417450.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/06/14/28509729.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/09/28/12662818.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/09/28/92369192.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/09/28/62756698.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/09/28/44554790.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/09/28/74162977.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/09/28/36478349.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/09/28/56234701.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/09/28/31676078.jpg
http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2005/09/28/81952981.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/05/20/92598144.jpg
http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/05/20/93017276.jpg
http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/05/20/42069370.jpg
http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/05/20/44582668.jpg
http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/05/20/57432980.jpg
http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/05/20/98744241.jpg

http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/05/20/45183215.jpg
http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/05/20/59804827.jpg

[siberian tiger]

Italian Air Force CSAR (Fucilieri Aeronautica)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g59gE5_WBpM

[phoebus]

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/3269/greeceflagbj0.jpg


Hellenic Air Force:
31st Special Operations Squadron



31 Μοίρα Ειδικών Επιχειρήσεων



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“Virtue is for the bold and brave”
Dictum, Aristotle



The Special Operations Squadron is based at Elefsis air base since its establishment. The Squadron’s emblem is decorated with the Achilles’ shield, the Zeus eagle which is a strength and superiority symbol and represents the air rescue operations, and the snake which as a revival symbol refers to first aid support. The «Α» comes from the name «Achilles» and is the call-sign in peacetime, while the thunder represents the telecommunication and the reaction rate. The blue color which surrounds the whole composition is the color of the Hellenic Air Space and the Hellenic Air Force.

continued here (http://www.haf.gr/en/structure/units/day/units/31mee.asp)



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[Leaper]

Hi, Swedish Air Force Ranger in CSAR exercis with CPA 30, Italian PJ´s and pilots from Germany.
(VOLCANEX 07)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A8RJUnY36o


Do you know why the Rangers in the vid dont have the new Ak5? Kinda strange...

[andreen]

Do you know why the Rangers in the vid dont have the new Ak5? Kinda strange...

The new Ak5 (AK5C) had just got to the soldiers over seas when this film was made. At the current time the "active" Air Base Ranger unit in the Nordic Battlegroup uses the new Ak5. First the soldiers over seas, then the contract soldiers at home and last the conscripts. The food chain you know ;)


And for you who don't know wat we are talking about.

The "old" AK5
http://www.mhvsf.org/ak5.gif

And the new AK5, the AK5C
http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/heli_cordon.jpg

[angry_young_man]

RAF 28 Squadron CSAR

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[flanker7]

Thanks! I didn't know RAF had a specialized CSAR unit

[RAFREGT.]

Thanks! I didn't know RAF had a specialized CSAR unit


they certainly do! manned by the troops of the RAF Regiment, i am lucky to be able to say i was one of the guys involved in the set up of this unit a few years ago.:)

[charlie brown]

they certainly do! manned by the troops of the RAF Regiment, i am lucky to be able to say i was one of the guys involved in the set up of this unit a few years ago.:) am thinking of joining the raf reg. whats it like mate?

[RAFREGT.]

well, have a look at google and the official MOD website

[easyand]

Italian air force HH3F from 15° stormo, the HH3F will be replaced by EH101 CSAR version since 2010/2011

http://www.aviopress.com/images/20060524_sf06_hh-3f_07.jpg

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[charlie brown]

well, have a look at google and the official MOD website, no doubt there will be e few jealous types queuing up to slag the regt off here but i'd say from what i've seen of everybody else its great.
You get looked after MUCH better than the army do, i.e. the food and accomodation (my last room was an ensuite, with my ownlandline, sky tv and double bed!)
Nowadays the RAF Regt are quite busy with Iraq/Afgahanistan, and i'm sure you'll have seen in the news recently that we've lost a couple of guys. The lads are getting a fair few contacts but obviously nothing like Helmland for e.g.
There are lots of roles now from parachute squadron (II), field sqn, cereimonial, helicopter support, TAC,CSAR, GDT Trainer, SFSG,JNBCR.
A field sqn will give you the opportunity to be sniper, 81mm Mortar, HMG qualified so it all really depends on what you want! cheers buddy good help !:)

[charlie brown]

cheers buddy good help !:) i meant thanks!

[angry_young_man]

I think I read somewhere that either 21 or 23 SAS (TA) used to do CSAR for the UK forces. Is there any information on whether that would be true?

[DeltaWhisky58]

am thinking of joining the raf reg. whats it like mate?

You claim on your profile that you are in the Royal Marines - why would you want to ask about joining the RAF Regiment. I suspect you might be telling a few porkies eh? I've attached a screenshot of your profile below just in case you decided to change it.

I don't think your name is Charlie Brown, I think it's Walt!

[RAFREGT.]

ah poo....why would someone do that! what an idiot! me too for not checking his profile first!:bash:
i also found this post from this guy "CHARLIE BROWN"

Why would you already have an assault vest!?


"no i believe that the web-tex version of assualt vests have much more quality and durability then the crapy viper which everyones decides to buy. trust me i have a web-tex assualt vest it has never let me down. plus its looks and feels so much better. doesn't anyone agree?"

I think you've been caught by DW fair and square!

[California Joe]

Nice pic of a Para in his profile. *snicker*

[DeltaWhisky58]

You claim on your profile that you are in the Royal Marines - why would you want to ask about joining the RAF Regiment. I suspect you might be telling a few porkies eh? I've attached a screenshot of your profile below just in case you decided to change it.

I don't think your name is Charlie Brown, I think it's Walt!

Charlie Brown is not a Royal Marine on his own admission, he has left the building.

[andreen]

RAF 28 Squadron CSAR

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Is the ground rescue group also 28 Squadron? or is it a different unit.
cant find any info about CSAR on 28 Squadron page. Any idea were I can find some.

28 Squadron page
http://www.raf.mod.uk/structure/28squadron.cfm

[eechoss]

Does Canada have a CSAR? Or do they use CSOR?

[uk35]

Is the ground rescue group also 28 Squadron? or is it a different unit.
cant find any info about CSAR on 28 Squadron page. Any idea were I can find some.

28 Squadron page
http://www.raf.mod.uk/structure/28squadron.cfm

try here:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafregiment/roles/

scroll down to :

Combat Recovery

The Royal Air Force Regiment provides the Ground Extraction Force for Royal Air Force Combat Recovery. The Ground Extraction Force’s mission is to recover Isolated Personnel (to include downed aircrew) and high-value assets, by day or night, in all climatic and geographic conditions, in all threat levels over extended periods. Combat Recovery requires the small teams to insert primarily by Merlin HC Mk3 helicopters to locate, authenticate and recover the Isolated Person(s) or asset(s). The Ground Extraction Force are capable of operating in small, self-sufficient teams, behind enemy lines, utilising Royal Air Force Regiment tactics and certain items of specialist equipment, until the Isolated Person or asset are recovered. Operational environments will include desert, arctic, mountain, jungle and urban, in high threat levels. The Ground Extraction Force is a part of E Flight, 28 (AC) Squadron and is based at Royal Air Force Benson.

[andreen]

try here:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafregiment/roles/

scroll down to :

Combat Recovery

The Royal Air Force Regiment provides the Ground Extraction Force for Royal Air Force Combat Recovery. The Ground Extraction Force’s mission is to recover Isolated Personnel (to include downed aircrew) and high-value assets, by day or night, in all climatic and geographic conditions, in all threat levels over extended periods. Combat Recovery requires the small teams to insert primarily by Merlin HC Mk3 helicopters to locate, authenticate and recover the Isolated Person(s) or asset(s). The Ground Extraction Force are capable of operating in small, self-sufficient teams, behind enemy lines, utilising Royal Air Force Regiment tactics and certain items of specialist equipment, until the Isolated Person or asset are recovered. Operational environments will include desert, arctic, mountain, jungle and urban, in high threat levels. The Ground Extraction Force is a part of E Flight, 28 (AC) Squadron and is based at Royal Air Force Benson.


Nice, thanks mate

[LeoHel]

31 MEE

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[Blutarsky]

[QUOTE=easyand;2764610]Italian air force HH3F from 15° stormo, the HH3F will be replaced by EH101 CSAR version since 2010/2011

I loved those HH3s. Sorry to hear that. Although it's about time...