North Korea

[Mr.K]

The autor is Artemii Lebedev, one of the leading web-designers in Russia. He recently went on a trip to DPRK. I'll translate his comments briefly.
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On your arrival at the airport you need to leave your cellphone, no roaming service is avaliable but if you select an operator manually you get PRK 03 although he never saw a single person with a cell-phone. Laptops are allowed it seems that north koreans are not aware of cards that can make your laptop to work like a cellphone.
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The only house where a foreigner will be ever allowed on his visit. It's a model-house of a model-farmworker of a model-collective farm. There is even something that looks like a computer made of components that are not even plugged together. Internet does not exist, only intranet is avalaible.
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On your arrival you will be assigned to a guide and a driver. That will constantly follow you. You can't leave the hotel on your own. The daily program consists of 2-3 visits to a landmark. In the hotel you can watch BBC,NTV (russian chan),and a couple of chinese channels, so you can't really complain about freedom of speech. The food is good, and you can't complain about that either. In a park he saw elder women picking up herbs, the guide said that it was for the rabbits, although it was clear that it was the kind of herb that the "owners of the rabbits" could eat.
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Kiosk that sells foreign product to tourists, as in snickers chinese sprite and lays from 2001. You have to chose your product pay at a sepate booth get a checkstub and give it to the merchant to get your purchase.
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Kiosk for locals, most of the time they sell lemonade, forigers are given a plastic cup, locals get porcelain mugs, that are washed in a bucket of water after use.
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-1/_MG_0399.jpgSometimes you see people selling some kind of a vegetable, that was taken next to a fruits and veggies store, they immediatly closed the door as they saw a tourist.
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North Koreans are always amazed when they see a white man.
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The plaster statues are clean and not broken apart. North Korea is a perfect reproduction of the year 1950.http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-1/_MG_0373.jpg
They still havent figured out how to make flat glass withtout bubbles, the only exception are the windows in the hotel or large vitrines.
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Oil is almost inexistant, so most of the labor is manual.
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Water seems not to be avaliable everywhere when you leave the capital. A woman is washing her clothes in the river.
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Life in a village
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When building in a city they tend to block the old houses with tall bulidings , if that is not possible they put a concrete fence so you would only see the roof.
As soon as you try to take a picture different from the magazine "Korea" the guide will say: "why are you taking a picture" "it's forbidden here"
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Koreans are not shy when it comes to basic needs, the guide forbid to take pictures of men taking a piss on the middle of the road, but there was no problem when it happened in the capital next to to a monument (look at the guy on the steps)
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The big monument, (they cut off the electricity at 11)
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The city at night is scary, there is no light on the streets and people use white lights and no curtains.
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during the day the elevator didn't work for 15 mins
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View from the monument, besides the pretty view you can also see the dead birds.
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Reality of the NK, a forigner will not see this generally.
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The whole Pyongyang is like this, when he asked the guide about the old houses the guide said that old people didn't want to move out in the new ones and like it that way
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[Mr.K]

The mausoleum
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You have to button up your shirt and look serious, and leave eveything except your sunglasses at the entrance, you will have to go trough an x-ray scanner (which no one tells you about), and for some reason there is a wi-fi router. The statue is white, and the light on top is blue and on the bottom is red. And its called a "visit" because the Great Leader is still "alive"
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Next to the statue wearing an ironic t-shirt ( Hysteria of the USSR), the guide didn't know russian well, and when was asked an unplesant question didn't know russian at all. End of part 1 , next part "the defence".

Source: http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-1/

[Ea$y-8]

North Korea is one scary place.

[Oxley]

Whoah, that's unreal mate. Cheers.

[Mr.K]

About 10% of the population serves in the military, its impossible not to cross soldiers.http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-2/_MG_0113.jpg

They do everything, taking care of the cattle, picking up wood, and ride 40 persons in a truck
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As a form of entertainement both Koreas will take you to a visit to the border. One mystery remains, how comme under capitalism the roads are good and under communism sh*tty.
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The road is prepared for an invasion, the big cubes can be pushed on the road to trap the enemy tanks.
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Just in case they put those things up on every road in the radius of 50km from the border, they are often decorated.
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They also have those in the mountains.
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A NK beach, electrified barbed-wire so the NK citiziens wouln't swim away, of couse you're not allowed to take that picture.
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NK love to show off military trophees, like the american spy ship Pueblo.
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Pieces of US aicraft in a museum, that are gathered up with a lot of love.
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NK defends itself not only from imperialist agressors, every neiborhood is defended. Once by a coincidence, he took a picture of that buliding with AC on every window. Of couse he was told that he's not allowd to take the picture. Apperently this is not an ordinary house, maybe scientists live there.
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-2/_MG_0134.jpgOn may 1st, the tourists got to see a concert and taekwondo students so everyone would know that the new replacement is growing up.
Next , visual culture.
source:
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-2/

[camerashy]

Awesome photos!!!

[Mr.K]

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The only ads in NK, an advertisment for a car (made in cooperation with the South) that you will only see in the capital, there are 3 different banners/models.
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A composition showing the heroism of the workers, its a rather unique piece since the military is on the 2nd plan.
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-3/_MG_0092.jpgBanners with Kim Il Song , who calls up people for heroic acts. For some reason commarade Kim is young.
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-3/_MG_0405.jpgYou can often see pictures of Kim Jon Suk (wife of Kim Il Song) Like his composition is called "Comarade Kim Jon Suk is saving Kim Il Song), but Kim Il Song is shown even more often :)
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Bronze is often used in the monument, here you can see the worker, the farmworker and the intellectual.
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One of the 2 compositions next to Kim Il Song monument.
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In every place you will have a Pole with a citation of the great leader.
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LOL
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Fancy garbage cans in parks.
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Hello ( PREVED)http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-3/_MG_0272.jpg
NK like to customize their number ,as you can see with the 40
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Every citizen has a pin of Kim Il Song, except for little children, waiters (the pin is probably hidden by work clothes), and Kim Il Song himself :D
You cannot by this pin.
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This means, shoe repairs upstairs.
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That means that a food joint is near, by the way even in China they draw a fork.
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You can see this on the doors, the X means entrance forbidden, and the thingy taht looks like a target means enter here.
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In a model pioneer palace, a concert is shown, at the end a picture of Kim Jong Il is shown, the forigners are in extasy.
Next up we have roads and transporation.

[iGrooCk]

yah its a real s h i t hole to live in...prolly the worst country to be in that has communism

[Heron]

thanks for posting
wow.......NK.....NK

[alphabet]

Wow, what an interesting place, I might have to go visit. Of course being in the military, and with my luck; I'd probably get arrested for being a spy or some sh_t.

[TR1]

excellent photos..............frightening place.

[Blarney]

wow....welcome to 1984...

[Whoami88]

Wow, what an interesting place, I might have to go visit. Of course being in the military, and with my luck; I'd probably get arrested for being a spy or some sh_t.

Very few people are ever allowed to visit. North Korea isn't a place you just catch a jet too. Even then the few people that are allowed are very constricted.

Let's give communism another chance!!! Lol, what a laugh.

[Mr.K]

Very few people are ever allowed to visit. North Korea isn't a place you just catch a jet too. Even then the few people that are allowed are very constricted.

Let's give communism another chance!!! Lol, what a laugh.
I disagree, what i posted here are pictures of a trip made by a common man, who is also constantly breaking rules by taking pictures that he shouln't. I think the only people who can't enter in the NK are Americans.

[PILMAN]

Good pictures, I've seen some interesting photos from North Korea but not so many ones that were not supposed to be taken.

[Mr.K]

Ok, so we carry on.
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Entrances to the subways look somewhat shabby.
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Inside you have the tourniquets that arrive you to the knee, contrary to chinese Koreans are of short stature. The sign reads: Kim Jong IL - the Sun of 21st century!
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The escalator is very long, and the lighting is original.
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Trains are made of 4 wagons, the doors are opened by hand and closed automatically.
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It seems that the goal of the NK architects was to make stations more impressive that Moscow's metro.
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The particularity of the cities is the lack of cars. Everyone is walking, sometimes they take packed public transportatins made of tramways, trolleys and even 2 storie buses. The bicycles are rare and expensive.
The pedestrian zebra is original.
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In Pyongyang there is a lot of underground passages for crossing the street, everyone respects the rules, if you cross the street where you're not supposed to you get a fine, even if the road usually looks like this.
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Traffic signs warn you of other traffic signs.
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The drivers never stop in front of pedestrians, they constantly honk. The guide coulnt not explain the lack of reflex of the pedetrians when they hear a car. In the countryside people walk wherever they want, like there is no cars at all.http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-4/_MG_0549.jpg
The drivers on the other hand never chek their mirrors or look back. For some reason the gas stations are covered up and passangers must exit the car before the driver goes to the gas station.
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Drive safe!
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Line at the bus stop, people who take the bus are those who have to walk more than 30 mins toget homehttp://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-4/_MG_0370.jpg
You can't move freely in NK, you need authorisations, and you have check-points everywhere. When the car crossed teh check point, the driver flashed the lights, perhaps its a meaning that a forigner is on board.
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Traffic lights exist but they dont work.http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-4/_MG_0543.jpg
How cars in NK look like.
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-4/_MG_0312.jpgThe sign is not lying ;)
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A common sight, broken down gas-fueled truck, they drive slow and make a lot of smoke. You're not supposed to take that picture.
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Sometimes you see japanese or german cars. Koreans love Mercedes Benz, which they only know as Benz. Benz - is the favorite car of NK leaders. In Kim Il song mausoleum , his SEL 500 is parked forever on some porcelain supports. Maybe the love for benz will explain the following pictures
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Benz!
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Benz!

[Mr.K]

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Bad photoshop in Korea magazine.
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The other side
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Fresh news.
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Portait of Father and Son (to be found in every home)
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Kim Il Song really loved girls.
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He build them playgrounds.
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And put a room full of old consoles in the model pioneer palace (in which the escalator was turned on when the forigners arrived)http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-5/_MG_0001.jpg

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Village where Kim Il Song, spend a night during his youth.

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And thats another village, but those houses don't exist in NK, the driver took a wrong turn.
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Sometimes you get to see a martian landscape
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Beaches of NK
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Sign of service
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Culture house of a model collective farm
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Another culture house
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Somewhere
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The hotel, construction was abandoned in 1991, its not recomended to take pictures of it when you're close.
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That's ok we'll admire it from far.
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Koreans have the habit to walk with their hands behind their back, men rarely wear light and flashy colors. Thats an excusion to the cemetary of the revolutionaries
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-5/_MG_0377.jpgApartment buildings are modest too.
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A rare view of Pyongyang.
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5.1 means May 1st, they don't do big celebrations.
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All the forigners got to visit the main park, locals were denied admission
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Those who were smarter didn't go to the park and instead relaxed by the river.

End of the story I hope you all liked it.

[Gianni7476]

Thank you for those pictures, very impressive. It's incredible, this country seems to be just gray, gray, gray. Even when the sun shines and the grass is green and police women are wearing blue uniforms, it's just gray.

BTW what about that photoshoped picture? I don't get it.

[duck]

Thanks a lot for the translation. I hope the orginal style is as enjoyable as your english version. I'd love to buy travel guides written by this Russian guy.

[Mr.K]

Everything is grey because there are no advertisements.
The original text was funnier and longer, last time i tried to make a full translation out of it, MP.net logged me out and i lost everything. So this I only kept the main ideas. I also like his travel stories because they have nothing to do with postal-card pretty pictures, what you get is a look at daily life.As for the photoshopped picture, the clone tool was badly used to cover up something so the road and the fence are not straight.

[Creeper]

thank you 4 the documentory.http:///Users/michaelrichie/Desktop/__MG_0005.jpg

[spoonkilr]

it would be interesting if someone posted a photo essay on south korea.

[Adax]

Just great pictures, I can't belive it is real :( North Koreans are really poor people. Those photos remind Poland in 60's maybe. But i've liked one thing: NK Metro - looks very nice :) And that road blocks for enmy tanks are LOL too.

[Switek]

Thanks a lot for such moving pictures. Thanks to bravery of the author I could see some new views which could help develop my knowledge about the only real prision-state in the world.

well done

[Bofors]

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=200578

Here´s another tripreport from North Korea with some amazing pics and stories.

[speckfire]

Wonderful pics Kouch.. thanks a lot. How is the NK attitude towards Canadians?

[mr blonde]

looks like the ACU would blend in decently in NK

[Heron]

http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-4/_MG_0312.jpg
.............1960...........?

[Neoboy]

I knew it was bad but didn't quite imagine it like that.

[Nugget]

North Korea is beyond 3rd world countries. Its the worlds number 1 worst place to live in.

[Eldar]

sad, and scary, Kim Il song must be a very boring dude!

[Alan]

It's a horrible place, but I would imagine some places in Africa to be even worse because of crime and disease.

[SrB-23Q]

I feel sorry for these people, they r prisoners in their own country!!! Im glad i live in Australia LOL.

[DIU]

The funniest thing in all this is that the most part of North Koreans probably feel happy, believe themselves to be living in the most righteous country of the world and are ready to fight for its regime to the last drop of blood…

[Whoami88]

I disagree, what i posted here are pictures of a trip made by a common man, who is also constantly breaking rules by taking pictures that he shouln't. I think the only people who can't enter in the NK are Americans.

Well, used to be, these are the very first pics I've seen of pics that "shouldn't" be taken.


They might just be getting lazy you know

[PILMAN]

The funniest thing in all this is that the most part of North Koreans probably feel happy, believe themselves to be living in the most righteous country of the world and are ready to fight for its regime to the last drop of blood…

I agree with that. It looks like a sheltered world from their eyes as I have heard propaganda before that they live in the best country in the world and the rest of the countries are crap to theirs. Definitely a scary place. I'd say politically it'd be one of the worst countries to live in due to freedoms whereas areas of the middle east yeah you don't have many political freedoms but you still could live a lot better than North Korea most likely.

[3rdMillhouse]

Now I know where they based "City 17" of Half Life 2.

[Mr.K]

Wonderful pics Kouch.. thanks a lot. How is the NK attitude towards Canadians?
I don't know, possibly not good since Canadians fought the communists there. I just translated the captions and posted the pics i've never been to NK but it's a country that i'd like to visit.

[Bofors]

http://img122.exs.cx/img122/8205/nk006re0lk.jpg

The most boring job in the world; "Being a trafficcop in North Korea..."

[king_nothing100]

Look at the difference:

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[TuNeRsHaRk]

wow, thats all i have to say

the saddest thing is that theres an electric fence along the beaches, thats just........horrible

i cant even imagine growing up in a world like that, well i guess theyve been taught their country is the most advanced and modern on the globe, but man

i really hope one day these people will be free

[393Bird]

I was stationed in South Korea 4 times, with the 1st being in 1960, and the last being in 1982. At that time there was not a great difference between the two. In 1982 South Korea had advanced so much, it was unbelievable.

Anyone that served near the DMZ in the west sector would of remembered the village of Munson-ni. It was mostly 1 floor shops and small houses with thathed roofs. It is very close to the DMZ. Below is a picture of Munson-ni taken recently.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9180/munsonni27vp.jpg

Remember this is a small village near the DMZ, not Seoul. :)

That will give you an idea of the difference between the north and the south.

[Apathy]

I was in South Korea last summer. It was just like America except it was foggy and hot. And there was a PC Bang(Room) on almost every block of Seoul. :<

[Apathy]

Now I know where they based "City 17" of Half Life 2.

Don't drink the water.

[Avary]

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The most boring job in the world; "Being a trafficcop in North Korea..."
OMG! This exact intersection is in "Mercenaries" woot

[TacoDelRio]

wow, thats all i have to say

the saddest thing is that theres an electric fence along the beaches, thats just........horrible

i cant even imagine growing up in a world like that, well i guess theyve been taught their country is the most advanced and modern on the globe, but man

i really hope one day these people will be free

That is really sad.

I can see a child asking their parents, "Why is there an electric fence blocking off the beach?", and the parents saying somehting like "To keep us safe from the American Frogmen." or something to that order.

Real sad place. Looks like a good place for a fugitive to hide though. :)

[never_forget]

What a horrible place to live. I for one have no desire to visit....these pictures are enough of an eye-opener for me. God bless the U.S.A.

[Avary]

What's wrong? It's orderly. woot

[22.5degrees]

Orderly yes, to an extreme. Not to get off on a tangent here but lets just imagine for a moment....

Many people around the world disagree with what has been done to NK, Iraq, Iran and even China. Seeing these photos really illustrates just how determined and brain washed the NK people are. As was mentioned, they probably believe they are living a great life. Now, after seeing how they live and how they treat their own people. What would stop them from invading or occupying neighbouring countries or even the North American continent should they get the chance? Do you think NK or any of the other nations listed would hesitate for a moment if they had the chance to financially destroy a nation to the benefit of their own? Personally I don't think they'd hesitate to massacre their own people if they believed it would make their nation stronger.

A sad and scary looking existence to say the least.

22.5

[SrB-23Q]

[QUOTE=Bofors]http://img122.exs.cx/img122/8205/nk006re0lk.jpg

At least the streets r clean!! lol

[duck]

Quite a few people in South Korea think that the North has preserved Korean culture and traditions "pure" while they have let their society be americanized.

Orderly yes, to an extreme. Not to get off on a tangent here but lets just imagine for a moment....

Many people around the world disagree with what has been done to NK, Iraq, Iran and even China. Seeing these photos really illustrates just how determined and brain washed the NK people are. As was mentioned, they probably believe they are living a great life. Now, after seeing how they live and how they treat their own people. What would stop them from invading or occupying neighbouring countries or even the North American continent should they get the chance? Do you think NK or any of the other nations listed would hesitate for a moment if they had the chance to financially destroy a nation to the benefit of their own? Personally I don't think they'd hesitate to massacre their own people if they believed it would make their nation stronger.

A sad and scary looking existence to say the least.

22.5

[Jim Warford]

Great pics...thanks!

[dave81]

I was stationed in South Korea 4 times, with the 1st being in 1960, and the last being in 1982. At that time there was not a great difference between the two. In 1982 South Korea had advanced so much, it was unbelievable..I was there in 96 and again in 2003. The growth was exponential. Downtown Seoul can easily be mistaken for Manhattan nowadays.
http://english.tour2korea.com/images/sightseeing/05112203241_photo_0_16206.JPG
http://asia.bsi-global.com/Korea/images/BSI_Korea_Jongno_Tower_Building.jpg

http://www.molon.de/galleries/Korea/Seoul/Downtown/images01/12%20Insadong%20area.jpg

[Telnyashka]

Look at the difference:



I believe that was taken during a blackout in North Korea..but I assume that happens a lot. Well...atleast the people are happy.

[22.5degrees]

Quite a few people in South Korea think that the North has preserved Korean culture and traditions "pure" while they have let their society be americanized.


I agree, the South has been very much "americanized". A bit of a shame for their heritage and culture. Still much better than living in the North.

22.5

[eATS]

great photos... never seen so many at once... i enjoyed reading the captions...

[eATS]

i have some but no captions, they were from someones trip a few years ago...

thanks again, i use these to make video game maps...


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[~center~]

Excellent pics!!!


Yeaaa capitalism woot

[eATS]

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[eATS]

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[iGrooCk]

imagine SOMEHOW gettin a bright yellow Lmabo or a rerrari and driving that biotch on those streets, imagine the look on the peoples faces...they would prolly think its some kind of spaceship seeing how they are separated from the outside world...

[3rdMillhouse]

Don't drink the water.


They put something in it, that makes you forget. I don't even remember how I got here.

[Generation Kill]

Dude, its gotta suck to have to live there, **** I'd rather live in fallujah

[Heinemann]

Dude, its gotta suck to have to live there, **** I'd rather live in fallujah

You know what I rekon ur right, I'd hate to live in such a grim place.

[dave81]

Fallujah vs North Korea = Tossup between hunger and bombs? I might go with hunger. At least tree bark soup doesn't blow up in your face.

[D3ath]

Now I know where they based "City 17" of Half Life 2.

I was thinking the same thing man..

NK is a **** hole :X

That place SCREAMS 1984..

Now, south korea... looks lovely, like that futiristic architecture. Wouldn't mind visiting it.

[Skyman]

Awesome Thread

Glad I live here, not there

[makavelli]

this is a cool thread...
thank you for sharing..

Dude, its gotta suck to have to live there, **** I'd rather live in fallujah
id rather die peacefully than live on those place and waiting to die uncertainly...:D

[MajorTom]

Good pics!

This look like Disney land compared to some of the ghettos I have been in North America and Europe.
I would happily spent rest of my years there! No fat chicks and other vain stuff... ;)

[Jeremiah]

Nk looks like a giant prison,with the electrified beaches. Hopefully one day the people of Nk will rise up against their totalitarian government.

[camerashy]

You all wrong, North Korea paradise. See my photo prove it so.

[Heron]

You all wrong, North Korea paradise. See my photo prove it so.
lol
unique place indeed

[Apathy]

You all wrong, North Korea paradise. See my photo prove it so.

Korea doesn't have palm trees. :<

[lightfire]

You all wrong, North Korea paradise. See my photo prove it so.
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/5610/kyi20sh.th.png (http://img476.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kyi20sh.png)
camerashy,you're bheakyng my balls here,you're bheakyng my balls..You ahre totary right!!!p-)

[jackie yu]

You all wrong, North Korea paradise. See my photo prove it so.


Bull xxxx(bleep),are you kidding?

[MostHatedEnemy]

Seeing the trailer parks and slumms of USA and suddenly DPRK seems like paradise, think about it.

[393Bird]

The thing is, the people in PDRK have no choice to where they live, or way to improve there life style and no matter what they do as far as education, they have more of the same. With the people in the slums in the US it is a completely different story. Depending on there ambitions to brake the cycle, they can go as far as there abilities and ambitions allow. There is no free ride.

I will take choice any time.

[Mr.K]

Update, I read some comments about the pictures I posted on other forums and some say the whole thing is very biased,especially when it comes to the comments. Clearly the life is not as good as the goverment says and is not as bad as westerners who never been to NK say.
I read that not all cars are from 1950s imported from eastern block. Same thing with the old ladies picking herb, it doesn't necessarly means that they are starving, it's the same thing as picking wildberries or mushrooms. The "look at the white man!" is also not totally true, there are a lot of tourists in NK, maybe in the villages and small towns they react differently

[Mr.K]

A few more pictures taken by another russian tourist.
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1938.jpg
Hotel
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1215.jpg
Another shot of the hotel
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Monument to soiviet soldiers


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Wedding
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Another wedding and one of the tourists
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A park in Pyongyang
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View of Pyongyang from Moran Hill
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May 1st, stadium
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Bridge
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Central House of the Youth
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Pioneers
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The School Uniform exists but its not toally respected
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Soldiers, and they have to serve 6 years...
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Favorite pose of koreans during a conversation
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Apperently there is no etiquette in the subway, you don't h
ave to let people out before you get in.
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Another station
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Pioneers and students palace
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That famous concert :)
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Probably that escalator that was turned on just for the visitors
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Tourists, there were a lot of europeans during the concert
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Buldings
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Monument of the foundation of the workers party ( Benz :P)
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View from the center
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You can see the unfinished hotel, it's still unknown why they abandoned it , since other buldings were build
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Czechoslovakian trams
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The super momument, everyone who comes to see it bows
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It's a mystery why it's so clean, also i guess that shot would be concidered illegal since you dont see the whole statue
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Cleaning the square
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A street next to the Kim il Song monument
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People's study palace
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Congress palace i think
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Theatre
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28 dancers sculpture
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Kids on rollerskates
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Kids
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Old buddhist temple
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Apprerently there is also a protestant chrurch in Pyongyang
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Marble slabs commemorating different organisations and people friendly to NK
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View from the Jurche monument ( the one that has dead birds :P)
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A night (before they turn off the light)
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A street in Pyongyang
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People and a BENZ!!!
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Underground crossing
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No one forbid him to take that picture
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He said that people were curious as in " wow a white person"
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Nice socks
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About the stores

We have visited a local department store. Our girls did not want to take us there ("We don't usually take foreigners to local stores" :), but we insisted. As they say, there is nothing to hide. If only from the Americans and Europeans :. It was a regular large department store from the Soviet times, honest (i.e. without signs in English).
As far as food, every thing is not so good (eggs, meat, and something else can only be bought with coupons), other consumer goods are easier to get. For the most part, the merchandise is imported (from China), and quite pricy. Roughly speaking, to buy a regular jacket, a simple Engineer or Interpreter will have to save money for a few months. Approximately the way it was in the Soviet Union.
The saleswomen are obviously different from those in the foreign currency stores (where girls are clearly selected by age, height, and attractiveness). Though, rudeness is apparently not acceptable in Korea, regardless of the status of the store.
The shoppers are common people - both workers and engineers and technical workers. They don't buy very much, mostly look and compare prices before their holiday shopping. In the musical instruments department, someone was playing a piano, put out for sale.
Needless to say, the people in this store were looking at us not even with astonishment and curiosity (like on the streets), but as if we were a hallucination :)

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korean bug
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Pyongyang circus
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Movie theatre
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There was an interesting moment when Alexey had trouble falling asleep and went out of the hotel at 6 in the morning to some random neighborhood. No one stopped him.He walked for about three kilometers, and was finally stopped by a policeman, who asked him for identification (in Korean, naturally). Since, first of all he didn't have identification, and second he knew but a few words in Korean, they could not reach an understanding. A crowd gathered around them quickly (they don't meet foreigners in residential quarters very often :) and finally there was someone, who knew the word "Russian". That was what he asked Alexey, and Alexey said "yes". After that the feelings got warmer, the policeman took down his name, and let him go. There were no consequences.
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Painter in the park
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Curious people
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Japanese tourists
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Food
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A quite common sight is a person or several people gathering seeds of some weed on the lawn. In the background - an ice cream sale.

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Foreign currency store.
In regards to North Korea, one can not talk about any freedom of speech. Apparently there hasn't been any political change; the government is still in control of the situation in the country.
However there have been economic changes. The foreign currency stores (in the picture) are more widespread. That is to say that (by hearsay) they existed here since the mid-70's, and locals were not denied access to them.
The selection in the stores is wide, especially when it comes to food. It's a little worse with the industrial goods. The modern electronics are pretty expansive (for instance, a SD/MMC card costs about twice as much as in St. Petersburg).
I saw some Koreans in the store (they were well to do of course), there are no noticeable checks or restrictions at the entrance.

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Now there are joint businesses with foreigners - restaurants. A restaurant can only be owned by a foreigner - for example Japanese (see a photo above, where a waitress is playing an instrument). The local population can work for a foreign owner, but can not own the restaurant.
Not a bad way to keep the economy under control.
In the picture: The Koreans are shy of carrying their babies behind their back sometimes. As I was told, the South Koreans do this also, however this is "countryside style". Also, I heard that as a result of being carried this way, children's legs can often get disfigured.

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Also, there are cooperatives. In the North Korean version, a cooperative is a team, which produces some articles (for instance, collects and dries cochlea beer snack, or makes chewing gum), sells them, and splits up the profit equally among all the members. The types of business and products are limited, and a state license is required.
The result is approximately the same as in our country in the late 1980's: the selection in the cooperative stores is wider than in the state owned stores, but the prices are considerably higher.
The cooperative products are usually of a lower quality than those in the state owned stores (sometimes it's enough to look at the package to realize that).

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A short distance from the town is the Hyangsang Hotel where we stayed during our visit to Myohyang.
A revolving restaurant is at the top. It features very scenic views.

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map in the hotel hall.
The main attraction in these mountains is the abundance of waterfalls.
The river you see here passes by the hotel and has the same name as the mountains - Myohyan
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All of us.
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With about 200 large halls and the splendor the palace is comparable to the Hermitage (with the exception of the style of architecture and the modern building materials, of course).
No cameras are allowed (I think this is the only place in North Korea, where we could not take pictures :) – all possessions have to be left in lockers.
Inside are valuable presents given to Kim-Ir-Sen. I must note that all the exhibits are really interesting. That is, all items are either works of art or interesting in other ways (for instance a train car given to Kim-Ir-Sen by Stalin in 1946).
From modern Russia I noticed:
1. Painting of Vasilievskiy Island Point given by Putin.
2. A silver service given by Putin also.
3. A plate given by the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service.
Also there are rifles and other items given by Stalin, Khruschev, Brejnev
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1663.jpg
We were very impressed by a large landscape with trees and buildings, neatly carved out of ivory by Chinese craftsmen. In general, I would say, Chinese gave the most interesting and accurately crafted gifts.
Among the givers were also the leaders of South Korea, South Korean companies – for example the president of Daewoo gave Kim-Ir-Sen a car.

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The palace guards.
Notice that the Kalashnikovs are nickel plated.
The doors are one-piece bronze, weighing several ton each. One can open them by hand (the guide gives out a special glove to pull on the handle :), but the weight is considerable.

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This is the second building, the presents to Kim-Chen-Ir. It is much more modest both outside and inside. It is also smaller.
Most striking is a wax statue of Kim-Ir-Sen in the middle of artificial meadow surrounded by birch trees with sky in the background. The tree leaves even move with the artificial wind coming from a fan. The lighting is well designed, and the whole thing looks real. I think it was also given by the Chinese.
One small thing to note: it’s strange, but I noticed that practically all the buildings in the country (regardless of their status and decor) have identical light switches :)
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A local tour guide.

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Here we asked the driver to stop the car and I took some pictures. This village doesn't look very well-being, there're some more decent. Also it's not so characteristic: buildings stands irregularly.

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Obelisk" on a background - is a feature, necessary for all settlements. Usually the neutral, simple slogan is written there (a challenge to work and learn better and so on).

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Machines typical for village - GAZ (probably made in Northern Korea, not in Russia) and a lorry - with gas generator.
This car works with firewood, but I have to underline, that it's NOT a steam machine, but GAS-generator (Usual internal combustion engine, just re-made). It's not gasoline, of course, so the max speed is about 20-30 km per hour.
The firewood (at the right) are prepared for lorry. They're put by portions into the can (is seen in the back of a lorry) and slowly burn there.
We've seen such machines about five times in general.


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The roofs are usually made of tiles or something like that.

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nd this is the more typical Northern Korea village.
Houses are identical, located by uniform group, usually in parallel or straight lines.
If mountains prevents, then houses locates by few groups on both sides of the mountain.


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The one more curious moment - about cellular communication. It exists (not less than GSM), but for foreigners it does not operate (no roaming). More of that, the girls told us that it's forbidden to take the mobile phone into the country (on border it will be taken from you, on departure it'll be given back). But I have taken phone without questions, and have written about it to declarations, and on the way back the frontier-guard has seen it.
Certainly, it was not possible to speak by phone, but I knew the one curious thing: everywhere we've been (quite a big area) - the network of cellular communication also was everywhere, stably half of a scale (I shall remind - here's a hilly country). Though I did not see any base stations. Maybe, they mask them as mountains? :-)
Not long ago I heard in Russian TV news, that mobile phones were taken away from Northern Korea people. Hah! They should've thought what they invent! How could any Korean have cellular phone, when for the sum which there's a mobile phone costs, here it's possible to live about a year? : Abundantly clear, that this service at the moment is only for militarians and officials of a decent level. And there's no point to take mobile phones from them (it's easier to turn off the base stations).

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A notice: the houses in russian villages are usually decorated, decorations on the wicket-gates, fences, carved window-frames and so on. Although, the house can be leaned-over :
I didn't see anything like that in Korea. I mean, village houses are not decorated at all.
I've been told later, that south-korean villages look the same way as northern.

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About a heating.
In Korea (and maybe, in the East in general) the traditional way of heating in the houses is not the same as in Russia. They don't install ovens. Near the house there is something like a hole where coal or fire wood is pawned. The warmed air goes through under the floor and heats the house. Probably, it is connected with tradition to sit on a floor. This system is still used. Not only in villages, but also in guide's cabin near any distant sightseeing.
What is not clear for me in this system - and how about an intoxication, a smoke and other?

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Probably, the cement factory

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nd this is the modern settlement.
The structure is similar, but houses already more thorough. Moreover, want to admit, that in Russia such houses appears when the village grows to larger settlement. Here it is not like that. By it's size, it's still a village, just the houses are modern.
Under a polyethylene film - the rice grows

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Evident propaganda
By the writing 106% it is possible to assume, that it is a question about exceeding the plan :)

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And here we went out without support and have decided to take a walk . At first we've walked along the embankment. (where is the electrified fence???)

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Alexey tries to buy some local bubblegums and other stuff…
From four standing near to each other cooperative kiosks the only one seller didn't want to talk to us. In her own will. She just pointedly turned away with very dissatisfied physiognomy. But we've had no problems with others, including the currency payments.

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Here begins the ordinary village.

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Basically, comparing to Russia, nothing really terrible.
But Europeans really have got nothing to do here :)
The population is friendly (the worst thing we've seen - the man just passed us by, pretending that does not notice us). Nobody importunes, nobody asks for money.
Just the kids at the embankment near the hotel tried to talk to us (they knew the only word - "OK" : )
They were completely satisfied with a candy.

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As I noticed before, houses are fenced by continuous fences, for neighbors and passers-by couldn't see what's going on inside. Actually, there's nothing special inside.
Alexey here continued to hunt for bubblegums. The local population did not object (here and there on the ground the pieces of a fabric with the fine goods laid.
Nobody protested to take dollars. But sometimes sellers ran away to ask neighbors. Also nobody haggled with us - we just changed bubblegums to 1 dollar banknotes in more or less reasonable parity :)

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Somewhere there're more decent houses. Also the lots somewhere organized as in Russia - without continuous fences. But it's not characteristic.
The nature and landscapes - right here - looks like Leningrad region :).
Couple of ravines, pines, sand. The road is ordinary too.
Only, if to look narrowly, unknown plants come across, and those that are known, look slightly not so.
Here our small walk finished. We have returned to hotel, fairly having informed girls about our vile act :) It has not made a special impression on them.
I think, at the moment in the places, where it's needed :, the general representation about us was already made. They realized that we're not seeking the pictures with rubbish heaps and ruins. So, they just winked at this.

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The coast, the beach and us.
This is the Japan sea. But Koreans (including southern) call it "Eastern Sea of Korea". About their relations with Japan I already wrote earlier.
It's still too cold to swim. But we've walked barefoot at the water.
Need to say that any visible restrictions on an output to coast are not observed (I read in one article before the trip, that a barbed wire is everywhere :)
The other thing, that there're almost no boats at the horizon. Maybe, it's not allowed to swim out by boats and fisherman-ships?

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1535.jpg
As I written before, some roads in Korea (main roads and also avenues in the capital) have a huge width.
The one more thing is - that here, just like in Russia, it's allowed to stand at the roadside, to sell mushrooms and berries. Although officially it's forbidden. But, anyway…

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1537.jpg

Actually, not a capital bus. The back wheels seems to be taken from a lorry :)
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1552.jpg
This is not the rice, it's the evaporation of salt process.

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1539.jpg

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1541.jpg
It's not seen very well, but you can believe me, that there're lots of TV aerials on the roofs of the buildings.
I think, that in old buildings the collective TV aerials were not foreseed, so the inhabitants had to solve this problem by theirselves.

Talking about TV broadcasting, it's needed to say that usually only 1-2 channels are available. The repertoire is modest: local films, Chinese or soviet movies. The news are regular. It's curious, that there're no video subjects in the news. Usually the announcer reads something or the static photos are shown.

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1543.jpg
People carries different things, useful in household.
I've seen in Pyongyang the man, who carried a refrigerator (!) on the bike! Vertically! It has really impressed me! :)
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_nampo_dam.jpg
The general dam view. Makes a strong impression!

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1675.jpg



The temple was originally raised in 1042 and since then it's been burnt and re-built many times.

The quote from one of the sources about Buddha:
"According to Buddhist chronology the Buddha lived with 623 on 544 ã up to B.C. He was born in aristocratic family that ruled a small country on the border of Nepal and India. In his childhood he was protected . from the unpleasant parties of a surrounding life. When Gautama grown up, he realized that life is full of sorrow. He decided to help the people. At the age of 29 he left home and became a hermit. But soon he knew that killing of the flesh conducts to fading of the mind and gave up the asketism. At the age of 35 he realized that the truth is near. Gautama absorbed into meditation and spent there 4 or 7 weeks without food and sleep. As a result he has reached an enlightenment, i.e. became the Buddha, who knows all the laws of Universe. After that Buddha walked around the country about 45 years, preaching his doctrine. He died at the age of 80".
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1682.jpg
It's necessary to take off the shoes near the entrance. There're straw mats on the floor.

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1676.jpg
s I said before, during the war, the bombing of USA has destroyed most of historical buildings in the North. That's why it's very difficult to tell, what building is ancient, what is restored and re-built. I think, there're lots of new-built.
Anyway, they never say to tourists that "this building was re-built in some year…" - for clear reasons.
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_alex_720_000018.jpg
A group of children that we met, when we walked out of another sightseeing.
Of course, they didn't miss a chanse to pose at the camera ;) ;-)
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_alex_721_000002.jpg
The duty monk in one of a monastries.
To all attributes, the monk is his post. He walks out to tourists and answer the questions. Like: " Whether themonks serve in army?" (" -Yes, they do") and so on. Actually, the politically grounded monk.
We asked, where do they take the food. The monk explained, that the state supplied'em with the food and they just grow different medicinal herbs.
Have a look at the boots :)
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http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_alex_722_000012.jpg
We drove from Keson to Pkhanmunjom village - about 8 km from Keson.

At the 300 m to the border (to demilitarized zone about 2 km wide) we were invited to rest in a small house. The frontier guard came to talk to us (with the help of translator).We had a small talk about politics. Basically, he asked the questions. Like these:
"I heard about president elections in Russia and that V.Putin is elected. Has he got the real people's support?"
"What is, to your mind, the most serious obstacle on the way to unite the Korea?"

Because we two answered in different ways, we asked the girls to translate the answer that they liked most :)

Then we wished the luck to each other and went back to the bus. The previous driver left us. The "comrade colonel" sat behind the wheel again and also two soldiers with machine guns and the frontier guard went with us. Five pics below you can see this frontier as a guide.

We've driven on the narrow road, surrounded with barbed wire. And soon we appeared on the spacious square with the view of Southern Korea.

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_alex_722_000015.jpg


http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_alex_722_000015b.jpg



The man with megaphone in his hands came before them and started to tell the south-korean version of events during the war. We heard almost every word. Well… now I understand why we came here : Our proleader seemed to read our minds and has grinned silently, as if he wanted to say: "You see everything, I've nothing to add".
Later I've read in some western story about visit to Northern Korea these lines: "Down by the demarcation line, North Korean soldiers stood stiffly in dress uniform on one side, stared at by slouching South Korean troops in mirrored sunglasses on the other. From afar they looked like Russians and Americans..."
Looks like it's not our impression only. By the way, the American forces are still quartered in Southern Korea.
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_alex_722_000020.jpg


http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_alex_722_000028.jpg

[Mr.K]

I cut out some text and pictures you can see the whole thing at http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/index_e.html

[Musashi]

Very nice photos :) Thank you.

[Strider]

Makes me appreciate where I live and the freedoms I have a million times over.

[Heron]

thx Koutch
thx for posting

[sucker4gurls]

I remember watching a documentary on the discovery times channel about how if one person in a family breaks a law, the whole nuclear family will be thrown into jail. Also, they will experiment on these prisoners in Nazi-like concentration camps. In this documentary they interviewed a prison gaurd from one of these camps and he actually drew the rooms where they used gases to kill and experiment on entire familes. It was truely sad and horrific. The discovery times channel always has something enlightening on...

[3rdMillhouse]

Now it doesn't look as much as city 17, but still.............it's a fine architecture the one of the oficial buildings.

[Heinemann]

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/dprk_1279.jpg

Peak-hour p-)

[Anthony91]

I really hope these people are free sometime soon.

[ALBANIAN]

seems Russia of years 30 and 50.

[Switek]

I really hope these people are free sometime soon.


I'm afraid they not. They are no mentaly prepared for freedom. Refugees from North living in South can not adopt themselves to "our" standards. That'd a biggest sociological challenge, for South and he rest of the world... If they were liberated

I used to live under communism till 1989, but I'm still shocked looking at those pictures
:-(

[talib_killa34]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/zoostyle/dprk_1338.jpgHer

Vs.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/zoostyle/2004_crossing_guard_2.jpg
Her

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

God bless America! Lol

[TriggerHappy]

I really hope these people are free sometime soon.

Let's liberate them.

[hypz]

As N. Korea adopts more liberal economic policies the Communist Party will lose power. Like in Chile. Look up the Kaesong industrial region on Wikipedia. For some reason I cant copy and paste. Any ideas?

[Eddy]

Let's liberate them.

Well is there something to steal there except for old unused soviet material ?

[bp_968]

be sure to check out the google earth (version 4) sat photos of the place. Very detailed photos of the whole city. I'm sure that pisses that fat commie off a ton!

[Stormy]

If you are interested, we posted some photos of it's capital a while back.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=62765&highlight=pyongyang

[RussDill]

Just great pictures, I can't belive it is real :( North Koreans are really poor people. Those photos remind Poland in 60's maybe. But i've liked one thing: NK Metro - looks very nice :) And that road blocks for enmy tanks are LOL too.

SK has much cooler roadblocks that drop down from above. They put big billboards on them so they aren't really noticed.

[RussDill]

Favorite pose of koreans during a conversation


Can't say I've every seen anyone in SK doing this.


Not long ago I heard in Russian TV news, that mobile phones were taken away from Northern Korea people. Hah! They should've thought what they invent! How could any Korean have cellular phone, when for the sum which there's a mobile phone costs, here it's possible to live about a year? : Abundantly clear, that this service at the moment is only for militarians and officials of a decent level. And there's no point to take mobile phones from them (it's easier to turn off the base stations).


They can't. The worry isn't about NK base stations, its about Chinese and SK base stations. Get close enough to the border, and you can probably get a signal.


What is not clear for me in this system - and how about an intoxication, a smoke and other?


There is a chimmeny on the side. The fumes don't actually enter the home


And here we went out without support and have decided to take a walk . At first we've walked along the embankment. (where is the electrified fence???)


Probably closer to the DMZ.


As I said before, during the war, the bombing of USA has destroyed most of historical buildings in the North. That's why it's very difficult to tell, what building is ancient, what is restored and re-built. I think, there're lots of new-built.
Anyway, they never say to tourists that "this building was re-built in some yearr…" - for clear reasons.


The list would be too long. They list all the rebuildings in SK. I don't think there were many historical buildings left by the time the korean war came around.


The man with megaphone in his hands came before them and started to tell the south-korean version of events during the war. We heard almost every word. Welll… now I understand why we came here : Our proleader seemed to read our minds and has grinned silently, as if he wanted to say: "You see everything, I've nothing to add".


Which is why they allow NK citizens to tour the area all the time. I'm curious, what did they say about operation paul bunyan, or the infiltration tunnels, or why they would actually open fire on a Russian tourist trying to defect in 1984?

On a more humorous note, did they explain why these: http://www.crowcroft.net/jpg/dprk95.jpg aren't real flags anymore?


Later I've read in some western story about visit to Northern Korea these lines: "Down by the demarcation line, North Korean soldiers stood stiffly in dress uniform on one side, stared at by slouching South Korean troops in mirrored sunglasses on the other. From afar they looked like Russians and Americans..."
Looks like it's not our impression only. By the way, the American forces are still quartered in Southern Korea.


Heh, show me a picture of a slouching or american JSA guard.

[Switek]

Well is there something to steal there except for old unused soviet material ?

NK cutties, I guess....:)

[RACE TRAITOR]

Somebody wanted more pictures of South Korea to contrast with the North Korean ones? Honestly it's not all neon and huge crowds. Here are a few I've taken in the last few months. These are all fairly typical photos of Seoul and Suwon. What is lacking here is the nightlife and the huge shopping districts, but I chose these for comparison's sake.

This is taken from a rooftop in Apkujeong in one of the busier parts of Seoul. You can see quite a few more antennae.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060604bbq/70.JPG

Here's an unusually shaped building.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060604bbq/69.JPG

A riverside park.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060531shiheung/99.JPG


This is the view from a mountaintop on the southern edge of Seoul.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060531shiheung/82.JPG


http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060531shiheung/80.JPG

The exit to the park. On the right, where the man in the tasteless shirt is standing, there is a springwater fountain.
http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060531shiheung/76.JPG

A Korean dog on the lookout.
*DELETED PORNOGRAPHIC CONTENT*
My cat admiring the view from our apartment.
http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060531chinesemarket/99.JPG



Elderly Chinese-Korean women.
http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060531chinesemarket/85.JPG


Downtown at thew newly built Chunggyechon, a canal that was opened up to rejuvenate the city center (and tear down a lot of cool old buildings).


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http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060525wed/93.JPG

I thought these guys were window washers, but they couldn't reach the top floors with this. They must be movers.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060525wed/87.JPG

Gardener.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060525wed/86.JPG


Young kids on a field trip.

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A skyscraper next to Boramae Park.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060521boramae/89.JPG

Kids playing in a playground.


http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060421sunny/84.JPG


On the subway.


http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060422suwon/97.JPG


This is a pretty typical view of a Korean city. Old buildings overshadowed by apartment complexes. They are constantly being torn down, and the residents are evicted forcefully. I was actually surprised to see in the OP's pictures that in North Korea the similar homes are allowed to remain.



http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060422suwon/89.JPG





http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060422suwon/73.JPG


One of Suwon's fancy public toilets built for the 2002 World Cup.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060422suwon/67.JPG


A garish wedding hall.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060422suwon/45.JPG

Homeless guy sleeping in Suwon Station.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060422suwon/39.JPG

South Korean construction.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/digital/20060318veranda/99.JPG

Cops(?) sitting around in the park.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/archive/20060507piercing/95.JPG

A kid goofing around on a statue outside the War Memorial. North Korea has a very similar statue.


http://www.daehanmindecline.com/archive/20060505warmuseum/90.JPG

Much of the South Korean shore is fenced off, similar to the North Korean pictures. Here is a beach down in Busan.

http://www.daehanmindecline.com/archive/20060430quadstobusan/34.JPG



A typical South Korean subway station. Okay, the North has us beat there.
http://www.daehanmindecline.com/archive/20060301samil/a6.JPG

Korean anarchist punks in a university park. They were boycotting Starbucks.

[Mr.K]

RussDill (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=7217) , are you trying to prove something? Because the captions under the pictures i posted have little to do with me.
And nice prictures RaceTrator, it's cool to see what other countries are like whitout refering to glossy poscard type pics.

[Bitburner]

North Korean Anti US Propaganda posters from around January 2003. These were from when the US and IAEA were pressuring NK about their nuclear program.



http://www.scottwhitten.net/nk/nk1.jpg


http://www.scottwhitten.net/nk/nk2.jpg


http://www.scottwhitten.net/nk/nk3.jpg


http://www.scottwhitten.net/nk/nk4.jpg


I myself was real surprised by these posters but after seeing the pictures inside NK it explains a lot.

[perdurabo]

wow feel like back in 80ties Poland, damn i'm so happy we had Solidarnosc we are in NATO and EU thank you God!

[marcof1972]

I've been in DPRK as well, and have some comments about the original post:
First off, you CAN walk around freely without guide in pyongyang. But there's a very tight social control, so if you're misbehaving you'll be reported pretty soon.
indeed, lots of things are "hidden" from the tourists, unfortunately. I recommend watching a couple BBC documentaries to get a feel of how dramatic it is really.
I was also told that the subway was so deep to be used as a nuclear shelter as well in case of a capitalist attack.

Local TV only shows a few channels filled with propaganda. Of course, most people don't even have a TV there.

The party members however, enjoy full satellite service, with about 100 channels, from CNN to south korean entertainment channels.

I visited pyongyang right after 9/11 and it was pretty "interesting" to hear the peoples' opinion.. They have unconditional trust in their government (well, that's what they say to foreigners anyway...)

Anyway, some additional images (although not always as interesting as the original posters'):
http://static.flickr.com/58/167651297_a28f9a9584.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/50/152488688_aed9072ccb.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/56/152488355_7b8e408a92.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/71/167651377_d0b647867c.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/64/167651412_7687176010.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/54/167651112_ae44fc4df6.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/78/167651215_2f76a32d13.jpg

Nice calendar eh?
http://static.flickr.com/75/167650784_aaf6db14d3.jpg

design hotel room
http://static.flickr.com/51/167650754_fa5e0337fe.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/45/167651016_3e70797005.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/77/167651035_8c4604bd2a.jpg

some more here:
http://flickr.com/photos/marcof/sets/72157594143968584/

[393Bird]

I wonder what the full story is on the pyramid shaped hotel is that was partially completed years ago, then abandoned? I am sure someone is in prison or dead because of it.

[marcof1972]

I wonder what the full story is on the pyramid shaped hotel is that was partially completed years ago, then abandoned? I am sure someone is in prison or dead because of it.

Well, it seems the money ran out in 1991 (or 1992), and currently the Party is looking at (foreign) investers .. for just over 300 million USD.. :roll:
It could be a nice place for Urban Exploring.. they could make money from it in its current state, no need to invest in more construction :)

[Wyrmshadow]

Well, it seems the money ran out in 1991 (or 1992), and currently the Party is looking at (foreign) investers .. for just over 300 million USD.. :roll:
It could be a nice place for Urban Exploring.. they could make money from it in its current state, no need to invest in more construction :)
Also the concrete is of poor quality so its basically a giant skeletal death trap.

[RussDill]

RussDill (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=7217) , are you trying to prove something? Because the captions under the pictures i posted have little to do with me.


Then just view them as informational (ie, why they don't like foreign cell phones). I'm am interested to know if anyone has been on the DPRK JSA tour

[Smersh]

Its like Stalin never died and became even crazier ever year.

I bet jim jung ill sleeps and watches movies all day.

yeah, I also heard they ran out of funds to finish the hotel and all their roads etc. serve no purpose, almost no-one has a car. their just for propaganda to show how "modern" N. Korea is.

[marcof1972]

I bet jim jung ill sleeps and watches movies all day.


Well, he has a lot of TV channels to choose from, I wouldn't be surprised if he was :)

[RACE TRAITOR]

I read somewhere that hotel is a deathtrap and is still in danger of collapsing. It's not so much that they ran out of funds, but if they kept building it would have definitely collapsed. And I'm sure they're not good for funds either.

[kmoser]

For an interesting comparison, here are a bunch of photos my father took in Korea in 1964:

http://www.kmoser.com/korea/

--K

[n4292936]

well done lads, consensus seems to be that this thread has contributed to causing one of the (if not the) greatest single spikes in internet traffic this site has ever seen.

[adlep]

well done lads, consensus seems to be that this thread has contributed to causing one of the (if not the) greatest single spikes in internet traffic this site has ever seen.
It is called a digg effect...

And it is a matter of luck. For example I posted a link to a rare video from militaryphotos.net about North Korea on digg and it didn't catch at all...

This time around you weren't that lucky...
The power of digg

[CSAR]

Very sad place indeed. But hardly the worst in the world, just look at almost any country in the Africa where people are more buzy chopping each others to pieces with machetes and so on. NK is poor contry, but it's after all a peaceful place to live if you obey the law. As far as I know it's very homogenious society and there are no internal conflicts (between ethnical groups etc.). When they some day hopefully get rid of commies there shouldn't be much obstacles on the way to prosperity, it would only require a lot of hard work and that's what these people are already used to.

[garoco]

An utterly fascinating thread, thankyou to all contributors.

[artistoli]

Awesome pictures of somewhere that we don't get to see much of! Thanks! Bloody scary country though; I wonder if anyone there is happy?

[marcof1972]

Awesome pictures of somewhere that we don't get to see much of! Thanks! Bloody scary country though; I wonder if anyone there is happy?

I honestly believe most people in the bigger cities are happy. But I also think they may not be as happy if they knew more about the "outside world".

[BlackRain]

well done lads, consensus seems to be that this thread has contributed to causing one of the (if not the) greatest single spikes in internet traffic this site has ever seen.

That is the power of the "NeoCons" from Freerepublic.com.

This photo thread is referenced there:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1652113/posts

Carl Rove is watching you....

[GothicSnake]

I can't stop thinking about the North Korean Melody from Team America while reading this thread... :|

[fatmarley]

I had to join just to say that:

The reason the hotel was built was in attempt to have the tallest building in the world. In fact the hotel was never built to be used, it is mostly empty and extremly structurally unsound. Around the time they had begun building it, Signapore started building its (NAME) and ended up being taller in the end.

North Korea is like My Burns from Simpsons, he has every disease and problem counterbalancing itself so he lives. Korea is a Juche(Stalinist) state, with 1.1 million active men in the military and something like 700,000 functioning reserve members. The whole economy is in ruin and constantly propped up by aide.

The light water reactor fiascal, UN food Aide, Korean fertalizer donations, the list goes on. But trust me, everything done by them has a purpose, and the hotel was an attempt at noteriaty other having their balls busted.

You breakin my balls man, breakin my balls!

[Mr.K]

Once and for all, these are not my pictures, i don't hold the rights for them.
If you want to contact the owners email them not me. Thank you.
Their sites:
Art Lebedev
http://www.tema.ru/ (http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-1/)

Peter Sobolev
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/index_e.html

[eatmars]

cool pics guys

north korea looks like a clean place

[TheDervish]

I am totally new to this forum, and I must say, very very interesting pictures. I thank the travelers who thought to take a lot of photographs -- even photos they weren't supposed to take. This is the most interesting find I ever saw on the internet for a long time!

[Sergei]

http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-3/_MG_0139.jpg

Is this the epitome of North Korean PREVED culture?

[variable]

Really awesome pictures. These people are cornered even more than the Iraqis. Mr Bush should come for help as he's used to :-P

Happy 4th of July!

ben

[Jogilius]

Very sad place indeed. But hardly the worst in the world, just look at almost any country in the Africa where people are more buzy chopping each others to pieces with machetes and so on. NK is poor contry, but it's after all a peaceful place to live if you obey the law. As far as I know it's very homogenious society and there are no internal conflicts (between ethnical groups etc.). When they some day hopefully get rid of commies there shouldn't be much obstacles on the way to prosperity, it would only require a lot of hard work and that's what these people are already used to.
Hardly the worst indeed. In addition to the actual poverty or even famine, one essential thing to consider, when evaluating how happy the North-koreans are, is the fact that they know very little about the world outside their country. It's perhaps easier to be happy if you don't know of anything better. And yes, at least they don't have a war against each other within the country.

[Snoshi]

Awesome pics

[Mr.K]

Is this the epitome of North Korean PREVED culture?

I sure hope so!

[PeaceHawk]

In November 2004 I visited the DMZ near Seoul. The "Photo Line" is the closest you are allowed to take pictures facing north. The fence is posted with letters to family member trapped in the DPRK. The train station is built, ready to connect to the north someday. The bridge is where prisoner exchanges are made.

The whole visit was very creepy, especially seeing the Blackhwaks overhead. The area is so heavily mined that few creatures survive.

[naus]

I don't understand why North Korea doesn't listen to China and follow China's economic development model. Why does it just continue to stagnate? These photos of North Korea look like China during the 1980s.

See Shanghai photos thread: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=85517

[JustYourAverageJoe]

WOW, these are awesome pics thanks for posting them. By the way I think Kim il Song is a perv.

[W4CLM]

Not to be used elsewhere without permission W4CLM
Port of Nampo D.P.R.K

37 Days in NAMPO
Summer in North Korea 1998
Democratic People's Republic of North Korea

I have often been asked by friends over the past 20 years to write about my experiences while on American merchant vessels abroad. Reluctantly I have not kept a written diary and only have my memory to look back upon in order to recall those days at sea. However I though I would take a different approach this time and try to bring to life our
summer adventure in NAMPO North Korea, although basically uneventful it may prove to be interesting reading to those of you who rarely travel beyond the arm chair of your couch and television set, let alone those of you who having never stepped foot into a closed communist country.
Our ship the motor vessel Liberty Spirit a 700 foot long bulk carrier with four cranes on deck was partially loaded in New Orleans with corn and grain prior to my having arrived on board. I meet the ship in San Francisco while loading additional bags of California Rice. On August 7th we departed from San Francisco in route to the port of Nampo in the ( DPRK) North Korea with a load of United Nations food for the starving people of the DPRK, A little known place to most people living on the North American continent. Fortunately for us the weather was beautiful for our pacific crossing and it made for a pleasant uneventful 17 day crossing of the North Pacific ocean before reaching the North Korean territorial waters.

My job as it has been for the past 20 years was that as the ship's communications officer. The first indication of what we might be experiencing in North Korea came about two days prior to our arrival. It is a well known fact that modern day communications are such that
just about anyone regardless of technical competency can pick up a cellular telephone and talk to all parts of the world by having only to press a couple of touch tone push buttons on a telephone
key pad. Today modern satellite communications allow ships at sea to have instantaneous communications to their home office by telephone and telex machine. Seamen can call their loved ones with crystal clear communications and the question often asked by the person on the other
end is "Where are you" with the reply "I am on the ship" as if the caller were still in a phone booth having never left shore side. This is not the case with in North Korea. My job was to notify the port authorities in North Korea of our arrival 72 hours, 48 hours, 12 hours and 4 hours prior to our official arrival. This was done via international Morse code on medium wave radiotelegraphy. Although there is nothing new about this mode of communications it became quickly apparent to me as the radio operator that things may be a bit archaic regarding daily life in North Korea by the sound and quality of their radio apparatus. After numerous attempts at calling for Nampo Radio, I finally got a hold of the shore station in Nampo (Call sign HML) on 500 Khz using the international Morse code. Procedures for using this frequency require one to shift off of the calling frequency to another frequency in order to pass your message traffic. In so doing a frequency was decided upon and we proceeded to switch over to the agreed upon frequencies. I quickly changed my transmitter and receiver at which time I heard a transmitter key up on the given frequency then proceed to drift upward on my dial beyond my receiver's ability to tune. I then called the shore station several times again and the same thing happened. About ten minutes later the operator was finally able to get his transmitter to settle down on the proper frequency assigned to the shore station and I was able to pass our arrival information. The ironic part of this is that this is 1998, the age of the Internet, cellular phones, satellites and the microprocessor which you will find in almost everything from the simplest of pocket radios and your microwave oven. It quickly became apparent to me that we maybe dealing with a society locked in a time warp of some 50 years ago and we had not even made our arrival in North Korea.

August 24th we crossed the point of no return at the 38 parallel in the Yellow sea as we headed for the P'IDO-SUDO locks at the mouth of the TAEDONGGANG river about twelve miles from our final destination of Nampo. Outside of a slight delay due to engine trouble our arrival in
North Korean territorial waters went well, at least I though so since we were not greeted with Korean gun boats.
August 25, In this part of the world the tide can raise and lower as much as 17 feet. On that evening we found the aft (rear) end of our vessel sitting strangely high in the air as we found ourselves sitting on the mud floor of the Yellow Sea because the tide had gone out from underneath us. And apparently with some problems down below in the engine room we could not put the ship into reverse. That evening our captain paced the bridge of the ship form one end to the other and remained a Nervous Nelly until the ship returned back to the United States. In order to compensate for the severe shift of the tide the North Korean government built the P'ido-Sudo locks in order to keep the level
of the TAEDONGGANG river at a constant level while keeping the ships up river in the harbor of Nampo from going aground into the mud. The following day with the engine repaired we proceeded through the locks up the river to the port of Nampo where we would remain at anchor for over a week while waiting for a Chinese vessel to discharge it's cargo at the dock.
Upon arrival Nampo, we were greeted by customs in their traditional green army uniforms while proudly wearing a bright red star on their hats and a pin on their jacket baring the picture of their great leader KIM IL-so'ng. Even though Kim KIM IL-so'ng died in 1994, his presence is every where and his son Kim II (2) actually his name is Kim Jong IL he now runs the government. KIM Jong IL, was officially designated as his father's successor in 1980. Everyone involved with the government would wear the pin as it showed unity for their government and it's great leader and the communist workers party.
Soon after arrival our rooms and personal items were searched for contraband and the customs officials shook the vessel down while looking and waiting for their pay off (bribe) in cigarettes and liquor from
the ship's supply. While alcohol is generally forbidden for the crew's consumption on modern day merchant vessels, it is commonly known that a small stock of alcohol will be stored in order to pay off local officials with drink and tobacco products.
While at anchor an attempt was made to off load a small portion of the 280,000 bags of rice from our ship's cargo holds. A plan was laid out that would bring barges along side our vessel with work crews
to unload the rice from the ship into the barges. The first day we had several barges come along side the ship until noon, then they left because there were no workers to off load the cargo. That same afternoon the workers showed up after the lunch hour break and there were no barges along side, so they left. That same evening the barges came back and the workers were gone. Eventually both the barges and workers got together although little results were to be had.

First night of shore leave. After much haggling arrangements were made for a shore launch for the crew to go into the dock side seaman's club. This consisted of a small restaurant and couple of outdoor tables and a store with some very basic hygiene items. We were basically captive guests of the North Korean people, we could not leave the dock area with out specific written permission from local immigrations and a written request from our captain. Back at the seaman's club the restaurant had a television which offered little more than two channels of local propaganda. I suppose I formed most of my opinion about the people of North Korea by watching this television as the color would fade from black and white with an occasional smattering of color as the signal improved. Night after night the television showed the same pictures over and over again the beautiful countryside of North Korea combined with pictures of the great leader Kim IL Song. More statues of Kim IL Song and more country side, the chants of a revolution and the waving of red flags and more pictures of the great leader.
You soon note that you can't eat the scenery and if things are so great in this country then what are we doing here? It does not take long for one to realize that these people have been brain washed by their great leader. Personally I felt a bit uncomfortable as one evening the television showed for several hours pictures of the Korean war, American soldiers and airplanes, blanket bombing of rice fields along with pictures of the late president Dwight D. Eisenhower. I felt as though I was
watching a two hour documentary on the History Channel, the eerie part was this is all the television that this country had to offer for it's people and these people still hate us. The war has been over for
nearly 50 years and these people are still fighting a war. The entire country is prepared for war, from my observation they are at war with themselves as I could see no one tromping through the rice paddies from other countries beating down the doors to come into this country. For the first time I began to wonder about my safety in this country and what the hell I was doing over here bringing the peasants of this country rice for their empty bellies. Later I was to find out that the local people refer to Americans as “Long Noses”. The children are told stories if they were to misbehave, then the long noses would come and take them away.
A little over a week has passed and we were finally allowed to make our final move (shift) from our position at anchor to the dock. Now the fun begins. At this vantage point along side the dock we could get a closer look at the city of Nampo and the North Korean people. There was really little to see of interest, the Korean customs officials had locked up our binoculars and cameras as if we were gong to steal state secrets. Come to find out there was little worth looking at or taking
a pictures of anyway. At this point in time the important thing became getting the cargo of rice and corn off the ship and getting out of this country as soon as possible. With hundreds of Koreans
on the dock a hand full of vintage trucks and railroad rolling stock it looked more like a scene from a world war 2 movie than real life. The vintage railroad cars would have given a Holocaust victim nightmares and the trucks could easily have been used in a Hollywood world war two movies. Now the cargo is moving off the ship at a snails pace and resembles that of a Tai-Chi exercise secession. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Tai-Chi, that is the slow motion exercise and concentration secession that you can sometimes see in any park China Town U.S.A. usually in the morning hours. We had several days that went a little faster than that, but patience was soon to become the key word
for the captain and ship's officers performing cargo operations in Nampo.

September 1st, 1998 North Korea decides to test a ballistic missile called the Taedong-1, it crossed over the Sea of Japan and landed some where off the east coast of Northern Japan. This ordeal although brief left me wondering again just how safe are we in this country, no U.S. embassy and no way out of here if we had to make a quick exit. Let's just get the cargo off and go home, soon. Our U.N. counterparts ashore tell us that Korea insists that they just launched a satellite to broadcast political slogans and songs about the great leader Kim Jong IL, according to the propaganda minister it was not a ballistic missile test at all.
Ok Mr. Kim, what ever you say.
September 7th, Cargo operations are still moving slowly but there is little to complain about regarding the operation as long as the corn and rice keeps going off the ship. Only two speeds for this operation
slow and stop. Today our captain was a guest of the North Korean Communist Workers party and was given the honor of having to read a brief prepared speech to this group. The 9th of September is the
50th anniversary of the communist party in North Korea and a big holiday is in the works for the local peoples. I did not attend this meeting and if the captain had his choice he would not have gone either, basically the captain was between a rock and a hard place. If he did not attend the communist workers rally the ship could be fined for the slightest infraction or delayed in some manner which would eventually result in the loss of revenue for the company. The captain, chief engineer and second officer went with the captain to the worker's rally. Two large pictures hung behind the podium, that of Kim IL Song and his son Kim Jong IL. As we saw their pictures night after night on the television. Kim IL and son soon became known as the Belushi brothers to our crew. A slight sense of humor was required to survive our incarceration. Apparently the captain's speech went well and everyone returned to the ship in one piece.

September 8th cargo operations proceed as usual, slow. Sometimes the best entertainment can be watching the shore side operations proceed for an hour. Today I managed to miss the highlight of the day and I am can only assume that I am better off for it. When I came down for the 5pm dinner hour I was updated by the crew of the days events. The crew saw something on a nearby barge that appeared quite unusual to the casual American viewer as dinner was lured on to the barge, with a pat
on the head it then went into the hangman's noose and slaughtered for a feast. Our K-9 friend, breed unknown was hung by the neck over the side of the barge and did not go willingly, then slit down the middle gutted and prepared for the cook pot. It was a bit more than some could stomach, as rumor had it that ship's second officer lost his lunch. Like I said, I think I am better off for not having seen this event and in reality after having spent several weeks in North Korea I think our
K-9 friend is better off too. For a country that claims to be paradise there are no dogs and cats to be found!
September 9th, Korea Celebrates it's 50th year under rule of communism and it's great leader Kim IL Song. The port is practically at a stand still today all except for the NAMPO Family Restaurant on the
adjacent barge. Need I remind you this is the same barge which Fido walked onto yesterday. I would not have believed it if I did not see it for myself but Fido's intestines are now being used to make sausage,
filled with tender moist chunks of choice ground K-9 which was then boiled down in a large pot. This gives a whole new definition to the term "puppy chow". Several of the crew members including
myself have lost all interest in eating ashore. As today is an official sanctioned holiday in North Korea, the captain, chief engineer and the second officer's attendance was again requested at the town center of Nampo in order to place flowers at the statue of the great leader Kim IL Sung. All ship's captains were afforded this unique opportunity to participate. One ship's captain decided that he did not want to go and the ship was fined $2000 dollars by the port authority, the captain then changed his mind and decided to attend the ceremonies at which time the fine was then dropped to $200 dollars.
September 16th, Today we reached the half way point unloading the ship's cargo of Corn and Rice. The rice having been bagged prior to shipment came off the ship much faster than the corn. The corn was shipped loose in the ship's bulk cargo hatches something that is hardly done in this day and age of fast turn around container shipping. The corn is being bagged as it comes off the ship one grain at a time, grain by grain, bag by bag. The crew is starting to feel more like prisoners with each passing day as our armed Korean guards stand watch at the ships gangway and port exits, our stay is starting to drag on. To give you an idea of the kind of technology we are dealing with ashore, I saw something I have never seen before, several truck's with a coal burning stove in the bed of the truck. Apparently the fumes within the
stove are a converted to a burnable fuel to run the vehicle, I was told that this technology was used in England in world war 2 when gasoline was scarce. Another barge pulled up alongside our vessel today, it was made entirely of cut logs and looked more like the African Queen. I really expected to see Humphery Bogart come out of the ship's house when it tied up.
September 25th, only 15% of the ship's cargo remains on board. Yesterday five of us were afforded the opportunity to take a day trip into Pongyang the capital of North Korea. Traveling by private bus the trip into the capital took slightly over an hour from the harbor approximately 45 kilometers away. The road was rough and filed with pot holes and other hazards. During the entire trip we saw only a hand full of personally owned vehicles, not more than five the entire trip. The local residence walked the main highway with oxen pulled wagons or rode like cattle packed into the back of large trucks or inside an occasional bus. In order to strive for brevity I will say that we saw the birth place of the great leader Kim IL Sung and several statues of the great leader and other war memorials. Our small group was asked to lay flowers
at the large statue of Kim IL Song in order to show our respect towards the great leader before taking pictures at this sight. One crew member drooling over Korean women played the part of the ugly
American and he played the part well. We were then allowed an opportunity to shop at the two best department stores that the country had to offer. In reality they were not much better than the best five
and dime store in North America and would have made any K-mart look like Sac's Fifth Avenue. Throughout the day we were never far from our ship's agent's and the Communist party member's sight and we still managed to have a pleasant day. We were allowed ONE camera for the day and we were strictly prohibited from taking pictures of unauthorized events that may reflect poorly upon the great leader and the country. One camera and strict orders that we could only take pictures that were complimentary to Kim Jong IL's regime, nothing derogatory or the film would be ripped from the camera. We knew that beyond the streets that we could see, people were dying of a great famine but they would not take us to see that. Why else would we have been there on a United Nations food program if that were not the case. But you owuld never know it by talking to our tour guides. All of this kept in mind I was still able to catch a few pictures when the agents had their backs turned. Pictures of young boys in military uniform dancing and singing. Their song was "Korea is the best in all the world, number one". It's no wonder that North Korea has the third largest standing army in the world, everyone must serve and many were just children. Some of these young soldiers could not have been more than twelve or thirteen years of age. Other pictures of interest included a group of people pushing a city bus in order to get it started and pictures of the average person on the street.
As the ship's cargo holds are nearly empty the chants of "Kim IL Song will be with us forever" slowly fade, our captain and crew are starting to breathe a little easier because the end is in sight. As U.S.
citizens our thoughts are that of returning home to our loved ones. At night dreams of a fresh pizza and an occasional Big Mac dance through our heads. At the same time our president's sex capades are exposed and broadcast on television sets world wide, our court systems are still flawed and other problems are exaggerated. It has become clear in my mind more so than ever before that we are afforded more freedoms than any other nation in the world and it is easy to see that we still live in the greatest country in the world. Just possibly the war that took place in Koreas some 44 years ago was worth every sacrifice and would be worth fighting again should the need arise again. So the next time you
hear your neighbor complain how bad things are about life in these United States of America then possibly a North Korean summer vacation would change his attitude real fast.
Carol L. Maher


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Port of Nampo D.P.R.K

37 Days in NAMPO
Summer in North Korea 1998
Democratic People's Republic of North Korea

I have often been asked by friends over the past 20 years to write about my experiences while on American merchant vessels abroad. Reluctantly I have not kept a written diary and only have my memory to look back upon in order to recall those days at sea. However I though I would take a different approach this time and try to bring to life our
summer adventure in NAMPO North Korea, although basically uneventful it may prove to be interesting reading to those of you who rarely travel beyond the arm chair of your couch and television set, let alone those of you who having never stepped foot into a closed communist country.
Our ship the motor vessel Liberty Spirit a 700 foot long bulk carrier with four cranes on deck was partially loaded in New Orleans with corn and grain prior to my having arrived on board. I meet the ship in San Francisco while loading additional bags of California Rice. On August 7th we departed from San Francisco in route to the port of Nampo in the ( DPRK) North Korea with a load of United Nations food for the starving people of the DPRK, A little known place to most people living on the North American continent. Fortunately for us the weather was beautiful for our pacific crossing and it made for a pleasant uneventful 17 day crossing of the North Pacific ocean before reaching the North Korean territorial waters.

My job as it has been for the past 20 years was that as the ship's communications officer. The first indication of what we might be experiencing in North Korea came about two days prior to our arrival. It is a well known fact that modern day communications are such that
just about anyone regardless of technical competency can pick up a cellular telephone and talk to all parts of the world by having only to press a couple of touch tone push buttons on a telephone
key pad. Today modern satellite communications allow ships at sea to have instantaneous communications to their home office by telephone and telex machine. Seamen can call their loved ones with crystal clear communications and the question often asked by the person on the other
end is "Where are you" with the reply "I am on the ship" as if the caller were still in a phone booth having never left shore side. This is not the case with in North Korea. My job was to notify the port authorities in North Korea of our arrival 72 hours, 48 hours, 12 hours and 4 hours prior to our official arrival. This was done via international Morse code on medium wave radiotelegraphy. Although there is nothing new about this mode of communications it became quickly apparent to me as the radio operator that things may be a bit archaic regarding daily life in North Korea by the sound and quality of their radio apparatus. After numerous attempts at calling for Nampo Radio, I finally got a hold of the shore station in Nampo (Call sign HML) on 500 Khz using the international Morse code. Procedures for using this frequency require one to shift off of the calling frequency to another frequency in order to pass your message traffic. In so doing a frequency was decided upon and we proceeded to switch over to the agreed upon frequencies. I quickly changed my transmitter and receiver at which time I heard a transmitter key up on the given frequency then proceed to drift upward on my dial beyond my receiver's ability to tune. I then called the shore station several times again and the same thing happened. About ten minutes later the operator was finally able to get his transmitter to settle down on the proper frequency assigned to the shore station and I was able to pass our arrival information. The ironic part of this is that this is 1998, the age of the Internet, cellular phones, satellites and the microprocessor which you will find in almost everything from the simplest of pocket radios and your microwave oven. It quickly became apparent to me that we maybe dealing with a society locked in a time warp of some 50 years ago and we had not even made our arrival in North Korea.

August 24th we crossed the point of no return at the 38 parallel in the Yellow sea as we headed for the P'IDO-SUDO locks at the mouth of the TAEDONGGANG river about twelve miles from our final destination of Nampo. Outside of a slight delay due to engine trouble our arrival in
North Korean territorial waters went well, at least I though so since we were not greeted with Korean gun boats.
August 25, In this part of the world the tide can raise and lower as much as 17 feet. On that evening we found the aft (rear) end of our vessel sitting strangely high in the air as we found ourselves sitting on the mud floor of the Yellow Sea because the tide had gone out from underneath us. And apparently with some problems down below in the engine room we could not put the ship into reverse. That evening our captain paced the bridge of the ship form one end to the other and remained a Nervous Nelly until the ship returned back to the United States. In order to compensate for the severe shift of the tide the North Korean government built the P'ido-Sudo locks in order to keep the level
of the TAEDONGGANG river at a constant level while keeping the ships up river in the harbor of Nampo from going aground into the mud. The following day with the engine repaired we proceeded through the locks up the river to the port of Nampo where we would remain at anchor for over a week while waiting for a Chinese vessel to discharge it's cargo at the dock.
Upon arrival Nampo, we were greeted by customs in their traditional green army uniforms while proudly wearing a bright red star on their hats and a pin on their jacket baring the picture of their great leader KIM IL-so'ng. Even though Kim KIM IL-so'ng died in 1994, his presence is every where and his son Kim II (2) actually his name is Kim Jong IL he now runs the government. KIM Jong IL, was officially designated as his father's successor in 1980. Everyone involved with the government would wear the pin as it showed unity for their government and it's great leader and the communist workers party.
Soon after arrival our rooms and personal items were searched for contraband and the customs officials shook the vessel down while looking and waiting for their pay off (bribe) in cigarettes and liquor from
the ship's supply. While alcohol is generally forbidden for the crew's consumption on modern day merchant vessels, it is commonly known that a small stock of alcohol will be stored in order to pay off local officials with drink and tobacco products.
While at anchor an attempt was made to off load a small portion of the 280,000 bags of rice from our ship's cargo holds. A plan was laid out that would bring barges along side our vessel with work crews
to unload the rice from the ship into the barges. The first day we had several barges come along side the ship until noon, then they left because there were no workers to off load the cargo. That same afternoon the workers showed up after the lunch hour break and there were no barges along side, so they left. That same evening the barges came back and the workers were gone. Eventually both the barges and workers got together although little results were to be had.

First night of shore leave. After much haggling arrangements were made for a shore launch for the crew to go into the dock side seaman's club. This consisted of a small restaurant and couple of outdoor tables and a store with some very basic hygiene items. We were basically captive guests of the North Korean people, we could not leave the dock area with out specific written permission from local immigrations and a written request from our captain. Back at the seaman's club the restaurant had a television which offered little more than two channels of local propaganda. I suppose I formed most of my opinion about the people of North Korea by watching this television as the color would fade from black and white with an occasional smattering of color as the signal improved. Night after night the television showed the same pictures over and over again the beautiful countryside of North Korea combined with pictures of the great leader Kim IL Song. More statues of Kim IL Song and more country side, the chants of a revolution and the waving of red flags and more pictures of the great leader.
You soon note that you can't eat the scenery and if things are so great in this country then what are we doing here? It does not take long for one to realize that these people have been brain washed by their great leader. Personally I felt a bit uncomfortable as one evening the television showed for several hours pictures of the Korean war, American soldiers and airplanes, blanket bombing of rice fields along with pictures of the late president Dwight D. Eisenhower. I felt as though I was
watching a two hour documentary on the History Channel, the eerie part was this is all the television that this country had to offer for it's people and these people still hate us. The war has been over for
nearly 50 years and these people are still fighting a war. The entire country is prepared for war, from my observation they are at war with themselves as I could see no one tromping through the rice paddies from other countries beating down the doors to come into this country. For the first time I began to wonder about my safety in this country and what the hell I was doing over here bringing the peasants of this country rice for their empty bellies. Later I was to find out that the local people refer to Americans as “Long Noses”. The children are told stories if they were to misbehave, then the long noses would come and take them away.
A little over a week has passed and we were finally allowed to make our final move (shift) from our position at anchor to the dock. Now the fun begins. At this vantage point along side the dock we could get a closer look at the city of Nampo and the North Korean people. There was really little to see of interest, the Korean customs officials had locked up our binoculars and cameras as if we were gong to steal state secrets. Come to find out there was little worth looking at or taking
a pictures of anyway. At this point in time the important thing became getting the cargo of rice and corn off the ship and getting out of this country as soon as possible. With hundreds of Koreans
on the dock a hand full of vintage trucks and railroad rolling stock it looked more like a scene from a world war 2 movie than real life. The vintage railroad cars would have given a Holocaust victim nightmares and the trucks could easily have been used in a Hollywood world war two movies. Now the cargo is moving off the ship at a snails pace and resembles that of a Tai-Chi exercise secession. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Tai-Chi, that is the slow motion exercise and concentration secession that you can sometimes see in any park China Town U.S.A. usually in the morning hours. We had several days that went a little faster than that, but patience was soon to become the key word
for the captain and ship's officers performing cargo operations in Nampo.

September 1st, 1998 North Korea decides to test a ballistic missile called the Taedong-1, it crossed over the Sea of Japan and landed some where off the east coast of Northern Japan. This ordeal although brief left me wondering again just how safe are we in this country, no U.S. embassy and no way out of here if we had to make a quick exit. Let's just get the cargo off and go home, soon. Our U.N. counterparts ashore tell us that Korea insists that they just launched a satellite to broadcast political slogans and songs about the great leader Kim Jong IL, according to the propaganda minister it was not a ballistic missile test at all.
Ok Mr. Kim, what ever you say.
September 7th, Cargo operations are still moving slowly but there is little to complain about regarding the operation as long as the corn and rice keeps going off the ship. Only two speeds for this operation
slow and stop. Today our captain was a guest of the North Korean Communist Workers party and was given the honor of having to read a brief prepared speech to this group. The 9th of September is the
50th anniversary of the communist party in North Korea and a big holiday is in the works for the local peoples. I did not attend this meeting and if the captain had his choice he would not have gone either, basically the captain was between a rock and a hard place. If he did not attend the communist workers rally the ship could be fined for the slightest infraction or delayed in some manner which would eventually result in the loss of revenue for the company. The captain, chief engineer and second officer went with the captain to the worker's rally. Two large pictures hung behind the podium, that of Kim IL Song and his son Kim Jong IL. As we saw their pictures night after night on the television. Kim IL and son soon became known as the Belushi brothers to our crew. A slight sense of humor was required to survive our incarceration. Apparently the captain's speech went well and everyone returned to the ship in one piece.

September 8th cargo operations proceed as usual, slow. Sometimes the best entertainment can be watching the shore side operations proceed for an hour. Today I managed to miss the highlight of the day and I am can only assume that I am better off for it. When I came down for the 5pm dinner hour I was updated by the crew of the days events. The crew saw something on a nearby barge that appeared quite unusual to the casual American viewer as dinner was lured on to the barge, with a pat
on the head it then went into the hangman's noose and slaughtered for a feast. Our K-9 friend, breed unknown was hung by the neck over the side of the barge and did not go willingly, then slit down the middle gutted and prepared for the cook pot. It was a bit more than some could stomach, as rumor had it that ship's second officer lost his lunch. Like I said, I think I am better off for not having seen this event and in reality after having spent several weeks in North Korea I think our
K-9 friend is better off too. For a country that claims to be paradise there are no dogs and cats to be found!
September 9th, Korea Celebrates it's 50th year under rule of communism and it's great leader Kim IL Song. The port is practically at a stand still today all except for the NAMPO Family Restaurant on the
adjacent barge. Need I remind you this is the same barge which Fido walked onto yesterday. I would not have believed it if I did not see it for myself but Fido's intestines are now being used to make sausage,
filled with tender moist chunks of choice ground K-9 which was then boiled down in a large pot. This gives a whole new definition to the term "puppy chow". Several of the crew members including
myself have lost all interest in eating ashore. As today is an official sanctioned holiday in North Korea, the captain, chief engineer and the second officer's attendance was again requested at the town center of Nampo in order to place flowers at the statue of the great leader Kim IL Sung. All ship's captains were afforded this unique opportunity to participate. One ship's captain decided that he did not want to go and the ship was fined $2000 dollars by the port authority, the captain then changed his mind and decided to attend the ceremonies at which time the fine was then dropped to $200 dollars.
September 16th, Today we reached the half way point unloading the ship's cargo of Corn and Rice. The rice having been bagged prior to shipment came off the ship much faster than the corn. The corn was shipped loose in the ship's bulk cargo hatches something that is hardly done in this day and age of fast turn around container shipping. The corn is being bagged as it comes off the ship one grain at a time, grain by grain, bag by bag. The crew is starting to feel more like prisoners with each passing day as our armed Korean guards stand watch at the ships gangway and port exits, our stay is starting to drag on. To give you an idea of the kind of technology we are dealing with ashore, I saw something I have never seen before, several truck's with a coal burning stove in the bed of the truck. Apparently the fumes within the
stove are a converted to a burnable fuel to run the vehicle, I was told that this technology was used in England in world war 2 when gasoline was scarce. Another barge pulled up alongside our vessel today, it was made entirely of cut logs and looked more like the African Queen. I really expected to see Humphery Bogart come out of the ship's house when it tied up.
September 25th, only 15% of the ship's cargo remains on board. Yesterday five of us were afforded the opportunity to take a day trip into Pongyang the capital of North Korea. Traveling by private bus the trip into the capital took slightly over an hour from the harbor approximately 45 kilometers away. The road was rough and filed with pot holes and other hazards. During the entire trip we saw only a hand full of personally owned vehicles, not more than five the entire trip. The local residence walked the main highway with oxen pulled wagons or rode like cattle packed into the back of large trucks or inside an occasional bus. In order to strive for brevity I will say that we saw the birth place of the great leader Kim IL Sung and several statues of the great leader and other war memorials. Our small group was asked to lay flowers
at the large statue of Kim IL Song in order to show our respect towards the great leader before taking pictures at this sight. One crew member drooling over Korean women played the part of the ugly
American and he played the part well. We were then allowed an opportunity to shop at the two best department stores that the country had to offer. In reality they were not much better than the best five
and dime store in North America and would have made any K-mart look like Sac's Fifth Avenue. Throughout the day we were never far from our ship's agent's and the Communist party member's sight and we still managed to have a pleasant day. We were allowed ONE camera for the day and we were strictly prohibited from taking pictures of unauthorized events that may reflect poorly upon the great leader and the country. One camera and strict orders that we could only take pictures that were complimentary to Kim Jong IL's regime, nothing derogatory or the film would be ripped from the camera. We knew that beyond the streets that we could see, people were dying of a great famine but they would not take us to see that. Why else would we have been there on a United Nations food program if that were not the case. But you owuld never know it by talking to our tour guides. All of this kept in mind I was still able to catch a few pictures when the agents had their backs turned. Pictures of young boys in military uniform dancing and singing. Their song was "Korea is the best in all the world, number one". It's no wonder that North Korea has the third largest standing army in the world, everyone must serve and many were just children. Some of these young soldiers could not have been more than twelve or thirteen years of age. Other pictures of interest included a group of people pushing a city bus in order to get it started and pictures of the average person on the street.
As the ship's cargo holds are nearly empty the chants of "Kim IL Song will be with us forever" slowly fade, our captain and crew are starting to breathe a little easier because the end is in sight. As U.S.
citizens our thoughts are that of returning home to our loved ones. At night dreams of a fresh pizza and an occasional Big Mac dance through our heads. At the same time our president's sex capades are exposed and broadcast on television sets world wide, our court systems are still flawed and other problems are exaggerated. It has become clear in my mind more so than ever before that we are afforded more freedoms than any other nation in the world and it is easy to see that we still live in the greatest country in the world. Just possibly the war that took place in Koreas some 44 years ago was worth every sacrifice and would be worth fighting again should the need arise again. So the next time you
hear your neighbor complain how bad things are about life in these United States of America then possibly a North Korean summer vacation would change his attitude real fast.
Carol L. Maher


Amateur Op: W4CLM
Administrator of Fox Tango International
http://www.foxtango.org

Copyright Carol Maher 1998. All Rights Reserved.
Great reading. I was stationed in S Korea 4 times and saw the South advance at a great speed as the North slid the other way. What a shame to see these people suffer so long because of father and son nut case.

By the way I am also a Ham, WD4NGB. In 2001 I did talk to P5/4L4FN while he was in Pyongyang with the UN WFP. He had a NK soldier in the room with him each time he was on the radio. I was HL9JV while in S Korea.

[W4CLM]

Thanks for taking the time to read my ramblings about Nampo. Decided it might be a good time to pull that story out of the archives since we now have the DPRK saber rattling again.

That was indeed a log stay in Nampo. Have to honestly say, I would never go back to the place even if they were to have doubled my salary for another trip. It was like being in prison for 37 days, we thought we would never get out of the place. Armed guards at the port all over the place and we were not even allowed to use the camera in port. Guess they thought we would steal some state secrets. Common sense dictates however, it's not so much they don't want you to steal state secrets as much as they don't want you to see just how bad it really was inside the country. It's a sad state of affairs.

As for the ships radio room, they locked up the radio room and put a seal on the door. Albeit, it was only a paper seal but they could tell if I would have gone in the shack and used the equipment. One blessing however, for all practical purposes the radio room was sealed and they made me pull the handset out of the STACOM (Satellite terminal), but what they did not know, the captain had a remote handset in his office and I left the power on the satellite unit when we tied up at the dock. We were reluctant to use the satcom at first, but we did and I'm sure it was for the best the company knew what was going on from day to day.

The port agents claimed that we could have left the ship for sight seeing any day of the week. But the problem was we never had permission to leave the ship except for the one the day trip when we got the grand propaganda tour of Pyongyang.

I think the thing that sticks out most in my mind about the place is that the entire country seems poised for war! Like I said in my earlier posting just about everyone was in the military (Anyone who wanted to eat that was.) The country is poised for war yet I did not see anyone trying to get into the place to attack it! Very strange. Kind of like the fence around a grave yard, why have it. No one on the inside can get out and no one on the outside wants to get in. Hee Hee.

I picked up some nice trinkets that I cherish to this day. I have a neat silver coin with Kim IL Song on one side of it and Jong IL on the other. If I find it I'LL scan a picture of it. It's more of a souvenir then actual currency for trade. The tour guides surely wanted to put a good face on the place for us to see. It wasn't hard to tell something was wrong when we took the trip into Pyongyang there were NO cars on the road. This great big highway all the way into the capital and only a few carts pulled by donkeys. Giant Holes ( I mean really big holes) in the highway and only a row of rocks around the hole to prevent you from falling in. It was a strange place and an educational trip. In conclusion it was like a Twinkie filled with crap. It sure looked good from the outside, but when you get a real bite of the place you soon find out what is in the middle! Hee Hee.

Got to run. Thanks for the posting.
Best Regards & (73s) ~ Radio talk as you know Bruce)
Carol W4CLm

[Hellfish]

Great story. Thanks for sharing it!

[guest]

Whis is there a picture of a guy with a kids ball in his ass on page 7?

sickos

[guest]

averagely, every American consumes 1000 times more material in his whole life than a NK do, what would you guys say, ah?

USA is driving the whole earth to be terminated as fast as possible, sigh.

[nick_ua]

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[Heron]

wow
thanks for posting,nick!
very interesting pics

[Switek]

Those b/w pictures are so moving i coudn't stop watching...

thanks for posting nick

[sgtsmu]

I think these are from 2005.

[Ironsight06]

http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-5/_MG_0288.jpg
Somehow I really like this building. Anyone knows what it purpose would be when finished? And how large is it?

[HomShaBom]

Somehow I really like this building. Anyone knows what it purpose would be when finished? And how large is it?

It wont be finished. It's a hotel. Ran out of money to finish it years ago.

[hy92]

North Korean Parade:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r6c-VcZq5U&mode=related&search=

This guy gotta be the fattest NK besides Kim Jung il.

[Hellfish]

North Korean Parade:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r6c-VcZq5U&mode=related&search=

This guy gotta be the fattest NK besides Kim Jung il.

I love that commercial.

[John21]

Hmmm very interesting photos indeed and the photos say it all, it just goes to show you what a dull sad boring country North Korea is. The poor people there i feel so sorry for them they have no rights and no freedom and they are told to do think and say what ever their government tells them to do because if they don't they will be arrested beaten tortured and killed or they will be locked up in prison or a concetration camp for life.

North Korea is nothing but a total basket case and it has nothing going for it, it has a dirt poor economy run down infrastructure and millions of starving people and the only thing it has going for it are it's military and weapons.

Kim Ill Jong is a fat evil pig, he lives a life of luxury and has plenty of food to eat while his own people starve.

Thank God i wasn't born in North Korea and thank God im not living in that hell hole of a country.

[Cpl Ho]

http://fotolis-ru.1gb.ru/kndr19.jpg


Wow... this looks like a still from a sci-fi movie... You could almost imagine an alien mothership descending from the clouds!

[Switek]

http://fotolis-ru.1gb.ru/kndr19.jpg

Wow... this looks like a still from a sci-fi movie... You could almost imagine an alien mothership descending from the clouds!


Anyway it's far beyond reality in our sense... :|

[Satellite Weapon]

South Korea, China discuss ways to resume North Korea nuclear talks http://www.chinapost.com.tw/i_latestdetail.asp?id=41392 North Korea Complains About Propaganda http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100201393.html

[eugenlitwin]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/zoostyle/dprk_1338.jpgHer

Vs.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/zoostyle/2004_crossing_guard_2.jpg
Her

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

God bless America! Lol
Like first one much much more...p-)

[Switek]

http://i.today.reuters.com/pictures/galleries/newspictures/2006-10-09T095121Z_01_RKR20_RTRIDSP_2_KOREA-NORTH.jpg
REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
A North Korean boy plays a harmonica on a boat on the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council .
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
A North Korean man rests at the banks of the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council .
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North Koreans dry corn on the banks of the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council .
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
A North Korean boy jokes as a Chinese river cruise boat passes by on the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council .
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
A North Korean smokes as he rests on a boat on the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council.
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North Koreans unload a boat on the banks of the Yalu River at the north Korean town of Sinuiju, close to the Chinese border city of Dandong, October 9, 2006. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council.
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
North Koreans fish on the banks of the Yalu River at the north Korean town of Sinuiju, close to the Chinese border city of Dandong, October 9, 2006. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council.
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
North Koreans fish on the banks of the Yalu River at the north Korean town of Sinuiju, close to the Chinese border city of Dandong, October 9, 2006. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
North Korean farmers make their way along the Yalu River at the north Korean town of Sinuiju, close to the Chinese border city of Dandong, October 9, 2006. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council.
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
A North Korean soldier crosses the Yalu River near a Korean army installation at the north Korean town of Sinuiju, close to the Chinese border city of Dandong, October 9, 2006. North Korea said on Monday it had safely and successfully carried out an underground nuclear test, flying in the face of a warning from the U.N. Security Council.

[getl0st]

This thread is listed on Wikipedia as a web-site criticizing North Korea on Wikipedia ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_korea (down the bottom of the page)

I just looked through this whole thread and I can't say I saw anything that was particularily critical about North Korea.

I found this thread particularily informative and educational and I would like to thank all those that have contributed to this thread so far.

[Satellite Weapon]

http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/2437_photo.gif


and test site

http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/2439_photo.gif
http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/2438_photo.gif
Korea joins the Nuclear weapons club ?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=93643

[Switek]

Another fresh pix from North Korea I dediticate them to those who still defend principles and "values" of communism... look here... (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92840)

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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
North Koreans cruise the Yalu River from the North Korean town of Sinuiju, to have a close look at the Chinese border city of Dandong, October 10, 2006. With world leaders roundly condemning North Korea's announcement it had carried out a nuclear test, U.N. Security Council members weighed an arms embargo and financial sanctions on Pyongyang.
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DANDONG, CHINA - OCTOBER 10: North Koreans from the border city of Sinuiju take part in a cruise on the Yalu River, next to the 'Broken Bridge' (damaged in the Korean War) and the China-Korea Friendship Bridge, to visit the neighboring Chinese border city of Dandong during a national holiday, celebrating the anniversary of the foundation of the Korean communist Workers' Party on October 10, 2006 in Dandong, Liaoning Province, China. The United States and China led global condemnation of North Korea after the hermit state announced it had carried out a nuclear test, slamming the move as a provocation and demanding a tough UN response. (Photo by Cancan Chu/***** Images)
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SINUIJI, DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF: A North Korean fishes off a boat on the banks of the Yalu River in the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong 10 October 2006. The United States and China led global condemnation of North Korea after the hermit state announced it had carried out a nuclear test, slamming the move as a provocation and demanding a tough UN response. AFP PHOTO/Peter PARKS (Photo credit should read PETER PARKS/AFP/***** Images)
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SINUIJI, DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF: A North Korean soldier (R) fishes with a civillian on the banks of the Yalu River in the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong 10 October 2006. The United States and China led global condemnation of North Korea after the hermit state announced it had carried out a nuclear test, slamming the move as a provocation and demanding a tough UN response. AFP PHOTO/Peter PARKS (Photo credit should read PETER PARKS/AFP/***** Images)
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SINUIJI, DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF: North Koreans fish off the banks of the Yalu River in the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong 10 October 2006. The United States and China led global condemnation of North Korea after the hermit state announced it had carried out a nuclear test, slamming the move as a provocation and demanding a tough UN response. AFP PHOTO/Peter PARKS (Photo credit should read PETER PARKS/AFP/***** Images)
http://i.today.reuters.com/pictures/galleries/newspictures/2006-10-10T070459Z_01_RKR24_RTRIDSP_2_KOREA-NORTH-UN.jpg
REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
A North Korean man fishes at the bank of the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju, October 10, 2006. With world leaders roundly condemning North Korea's announcement it had carried out a nuclear test, U.N. Security Council members weighed an arms embargo and financial sanctions on Pyongyang.
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
North Koreans fish at the banks of the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju October 10, 2006. With world leaders roundly condemning North Korea's announcement it had carried out a nuclear test, U.N. Security Council members weighed an arms embargo and financial sanctions on Pyongyang
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
North Korean soldiers box at an army installation on the banks of the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong, October 10, 2006. World powers condemned North Korea on Monday after it said it had conducted an underground nuclear test and Washington sought harsh U.N. sanctions that could further impoverish and isolate the communist state
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REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
A North Korean soldier reads at an army installation on the banks of the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong, October 10, 2006. With world leaders roundly condemning North Korea's announcement it had carried out a nuclear test, U.N. Security Council members weighed an arms embargo and financial sanctions on Pyongyang.
http://i.today.reuters.com/pictures/galleries/newspictures/2006-10-10T051136Z_01_RKR03_RTRIDSP_2_KOREA-NORTH-UN.jpg
REUTERS/Reinhard Krause
North Korean soldiers react to being photographed while exercising at an army installation on the banks of the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju, opposite the Chinese border city of Dandong, October 10, 2006. With world leaders roundly condemning North Korea's announcement it had carried out a nuclear test, U.N. Security Council members weighed an arms embargo and financial sanctions on Pyongyang.

[Smersh]

N. Koreas idealogy/politics is "Juche" not Marxism since the 1970s.

Very Nice Pics though.

here is some more info:

"The official position is that Juche is a completely new ideology created by Kim Il-sung, who does not depend on the Marxist classics. In 1972, Juche replaced Marxism-Leninism in the revised North Korean constitution as the official state ideology"

[Switek]

N. Koreas idealogy/politics is "Juche" not Marxism since the 1970s.

Very Nice Pics though.

here is some more info:

"The official position is that Juche is a completely new ideology created by Kim Il-sung, who does not depend on the Marxist classics. In 1972, Juche replaced Marxism-Leninism in the revised North Korean constitution as the official state ideology"

You're right. Juche is another clone of marxism-leninism. But as a matter of fact ideology is in my opinion secondary matter. Performance is similiar and leads to economical disaster.

[Groove]

My grandfather told me that the Germans had trucks which could drive with coal. This was 1939 when my grandpa was 6 years old...

NK is really outer space :/

But its like iran somehow, they want nukes but the people are so poor...

[Satellite Weapon]

What an impoverised country NK is

Anyone know where you can get footage of the suspected Nuke explosion ? http://www.tagesschau.de/styles/container/image/style_images_default/0,1307,OID5986800,00.jpg

[Smersh]

You're right. Juche is another clone of marxism-leninism. But as a matter of fact ideology is in my opinion secondary matter. Performance is similiar and leads to economical disaster.

I have to disagree in both areas. N. Korean's aren't even allowed to read Marx, engels, or lenin. Although on "leads to economcial disaster" I agree Juche is a complete failare economically. because the country relies completely on foreign aide for survival. The country is a dynastic fuedal kingdom with socialist decoration. Run by a short madman.

[Hellfish]

I have to disagree in both areas. N. Korean's aren't even allowed to read Marx, engels, or lenin. Although on "leads to economcial disaster" I agree Juche is a complete failare economically. because the country relies completely on foreign aide for survival. The country is a dynastic fuedal kingdom with socialist decoration. Run by a short madman.

I agree with my Russian friend.

[Switek]

I agree with my Russian friend.

I agree with you both. But I said Juche is not development or cintinuation of marxism-leninism but a clone. The worst above all.

[Smersh]

a "clone" implies identical. And thats not the case.

[Switek]

a "clone" implies identical. And thats not the case.

literally you're right, my bad. Can we change word "clone" with "variation"?

[SBL]

Like first one much much more...p-)
they're both ugly.

[SBL]

What an impoverised country NK is

Anyone know where you can get footage of the suspected Nuke explosion ? http://www.tagesschau.de/styles/container/image/style_images_default/0,1307,OID5986800,00.jpg


If i had to guess, I'd say it's stock footage being used for emphasis. Not likely to be footage of the actual test. If they had released some actual footage, we'd have seen it played 10000000x on the news by now

[Birger]

I don't know if this has allready been posted in this thread as I only read the first 8 pages or so, but this documentary shows the really bad side of NK, not just the side with small villages, high walls etc.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6951629397402742053&q=north+korea+children

[Group9]

Quite a few people in South Korea think that the North has preserved Korean culture and traditions "pure" while they have let their society be americanized.

Apparenty it doesn't bother any of them enough to move up north, though.

[PrinzEugen]

I don't know if this has allready been posted in this thread as I only read the first 8 pages or so, but this documentary shows the really bad side of NK, not just the side with small villages, high walls etc.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6951629397402742053&q=north+korea+children


That was a disturbing video, thanks for posting it. NK is one fvcked up nation.

[ckabusk]

Hey fellows, I have visited this thread before, I saw a monument of Kim Jong-il that rides with horse in close up image, however some of pictures in this thread have broken links. Can you find them again????

I think that this monument is a quite cool, to show Kim Jong's true character.

[Knollepops]

I don't know if this has allready been posted in this thread as I only read the first 8 pages or so, but this documentary shows the really bad side of NK, not just the side with small villages, high walls etc.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6951629397402742053&q=north+korea+children


As alredy said by Prinzeugen this is a very disturbing video hope the people over there are freed soon and Kim Jong Il goes to hell.:bash:

[Mr.K]

Found more pictures made by a Russian tourist, they're from July 2006. I will try my best for translating the captions, and if i don't have time i will post the rest of the pictures tonight.
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1598/060727356ccaf37djo3.jpg

If you feel like **** in the morning, your head is buzzing like a bee's nest troubled by a mean Winnie the Pooh, your dog ate your favorite slippers, your phoneline got cut off due to unpaid bills and you're expecting inlaws for a week. Read this modest opus and remember that somewhere, someone is having it way worse that a healthy mind can imagine..


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North Korea is a nature reserve of scareless communists. Once a week, a train takes a lone wagon from the city of Ussyriysk though Hasan station into the "country of morning freshness". There is no need to remind a russian man an extra time how this freshness really is.
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The first greeting of the Juhche ideas starts at the border. The visitors are methodicaly searched. It its forbidden to bring in pinted literature, cell phones, radios, discs, cassettes etc. Practically any means of informations and communications. Our bag brought up a light shock for the customs officials. After a careful observation of the camera, a special list of our stuff was made.
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In general taking pictures is forbidden. Not totally, it's ok bing a camera. But its strictly forbidden to take pictures of people (especially military), various objects, infrastructure, markets, stores, views from a mountain, defense structures. To sum up, its ok take pictures of what is permited by the guide. And the guide constantly asks to show him the pictures you made. How is that question regulated with a film camera remains a mystery to me.
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Of couse, we didn't gave a f.. about all these restrictions. The landmarks that were ok to be filmed were look-alike grey stones with revolutionary texts. We didn't see a single sculputre. So I was disctacting the guide with my big camera and huge wide lens, Tatiana took eveything that was forbidden thanks to hyper zoom. The important part was to switch the flashcards in time, when the guide became suspicous and demanded to take a look on pictures. But in general the russian principle of non obligence of strict laws works as well in NK.
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Of couse free movement for the tourists is non existant. The only liberty is that you don't have to goosestep in the group. Everywhere you walk with the guide and his assistant. It is forbidden to leave the limits of a certain territory. In our case it was the land around the luxurious hotel on the beach. We were 11 tourists for this whole huge bulding made of marble and granite, reminisent of a huge mausoleum. Of couse the rooms are bugged, which is somewhat covenient. An emotional dissatisfaction of absence of toilet paper results in an immediate knocking in the door, the maid is already there.

To be continued tonight....

[usa320]

Of couse the rooms are bugged, which is somewhat covenient. An emotional dissatisfaction of absence of toilet paper results in an immediate knocking in the door, the maid is already there.

lol.....rofl.

[SBL]

Great pics/translation Koutch.

[AT-T]

Another fresh pix from North Korea I dediticate them to those who still defend principles and "values" of communism... look here... (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92840)

While I don't support North Korea and think it's one of the wost regimes on earth, maybe it's necessary to contribute a similar pic from world's largest capitalism.
http://www.hupi.ch/FunStuff/Schwachsinn/IndianTrain2.jpg

North korea is btw not the average communist country, but the poorest communist country, while India is an average capitalism (based on total number of population of all capitalist countries).

It's not a matter of ideology but of implementation. Capitalism can be screwed up just as easy as communism.

[Wall]

North korea is btw not the average communist country, but the poorest communist country, while India is an average capitalism (based on total number of population of all capitalist countries).

It's not a matter of ideology but of implementation. Capitalism can be screwed up just as easy as communism.
India isnt capitalist country. There isnt capitalist country.

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/countries.cfm
India is on 122.

[Mr.K]

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Tourists can take bicycles free of charge, to ride around the building behind the fence and in the zone of security cameras. Probably the fence, the cameras and the security posted next to the exit weren't enough, so during the 1st day a guide on a bicylce cricled around the hotel. After that, perhaps we earned their trust with our model behavior, we were alound to ride in front of the porch of the hotel without supervison.
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Most of the shots were taken without aming, thru the dirty window of the bouncing bus, under the cover of a bag or someone's back. So unfortunatly the quality is bad, but its possible to figure out what is what. In general the dreariness of what's happening is going beyond the limits of the reasonable.
Grey buldings, horrific clothing, dusty roads, all that reminds the gloomy granite frame for the cheerful portrait of Kim Il Sung.
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Tradinitonally I wanted to make a small collection of road signs. But the road signs are even more rare that cars. Their technology of their making is original like eveyrthing juhche. Some kind of film glued to pieces of plywood or tin. This chef d'ouvre of signmaking means a place of revolutionary glovry and other landmarks. In this particular place Kim Il Sung got out of his car, stepped on korean soil and said something wise or gave some precious indication. I didn't remeber the whole meaming of this event, but it clearly marked an indelible trace in the hisotry of the korean people.
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First acquitance with an urban landscape. The roads are unmetaled and probably designed for fighting the transport of possible invaders that traveling in peace time. The main mean of freight transports are cows (bulls) like these. Sometimes they are liked like tramway cars and one driver controls a train made of two carriages with bovine thrust.

[Mr.K]

There are links for all the pictures that I preveously found and posted.
If its broken visit http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-1/

[Heron]

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http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1736/060727023ccaf5d6ug5.jpg

she looks sweet...

[iGrooCk]

nice ass, thats for sure

[rajkhalsa]

While I don't support North Korea and think it's one of the wost regimes on earth, maybe it's necessary to contribute a similar pic from world's largest capitalism.
http://www.hupi.ch/FunStuff/Schwachsinn/IndianTrain2.jpg

North korea is btw not the average communist country, but the poorest communist country, while India is an average capitalism (based on total number of population of all capitalist countries).

It's not a matter of ideology but of implementation. Capitalism can be screwed up just as easy as communism.

So why did you put a picture of a Bangladeshi train?

[Mr.K]

Part 2

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Portraits of Kim Il Sung, his son and his wife in different variations decorate all sorts of public buldings. It's reasy to guess the status of the structure by the side of such portrait. In the museum of revolution, the particular portrait has the size of a helicopter pad. Taking a picture unfortuanlty wasn't possible. Not only it's forbbiden to get in with a camera, but the forigeners have acess to only two of 20 exposition halls. In one hall there are portraits and pictures of Kim Il Sung, in the other there are stumps brought from the wood with anti-japanese messages. The spuns ressamble our sepulchral pine tree (that just grows here like a weed), and the ageing Kim Il Sung on pictures looks suspiciously like our Briezhniev who is ready to leave us.
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A fisherman's boat, that is rowed with one paddle.
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Means of transporation are rare and sometimes presented by such frankensteins. His brother stays in our musieum of old cars.
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Center of international communication. A call to the motherland costs from 4 bucks a minute. We didn't call but this mumbojumbo comes in the guide's program. We were amused by the cellphones in the glass case. Mobile lines are inexistant in the country and importing such phones is illegal.
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A typical selection in a store for forigners. The expiration date on the cips past a couple of years now. A bottle of chinese wine costs (in our money) 10 rubles. A bottle of beer also 10 rub.. A kilo of fruits 30 rub.

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And here, in the evening, i took a picture of a simple nature-morte for 50 rub. The bottle of wine is korean, it's more expensive, a whooping 25 rub. In general the stores are absent as a class. There are souvenir shops for tourists, restaurants for tourists ( you have to oder 24h in advance, so the restaurant would be opened and groceries would be delivered), kiosks with simple eatables. For everyone there is a very decent market. The selection is similar to our chinese markets 10 years ago. Of couse with local specificity in groceries and clothes. Buyers do exist, but the trade is rather slow. The prices compared to ours are fantastically laughable. From the street crime only poorly experienced pickpockets exist, and even those are children.
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A pioneer's concert. The hall is full of cameras. In the hall, besides our small group the rest is exclusivly chinese.
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The pioneers sing with a lot of quality and dance to entertain the crowd. The spectators are in total admiration.
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After the concert, you're supposed to give children chandy and gum. We brought in a modest paper bag, while the chinese brought big carton boxes with sweets.
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Gerally speaking, we never saw teens loitering. Normally they're moving a hand cart with small wood. Electricity is practically absent. During the day most of the state buldings and stores is not lightend. Even during the concert the light was cut off. So wood is the main source of energy.
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The other work-capable population, takes positions in the fields as soon as sun rises. We were told that there are 100 days of battle for the harvest.
Even the market starts working at noon, so that citizens would not be disctracted from working exploits.
To be continued...

[Apathy]

So why did you put a picture of a Bangladeshi train?

Oh god I LOL'D!

[Kenshin]

nice ass, thats for sure

X111110000000!!

[Baron Harkonnen]

----Center of international communication. A call to the motherland costs from 4 bucks a minute. We didn't call but this mumbojumbo comes in the guide's program. We were amused by the cellphones in the glass case. Mobile lines are inexistant in the country and importing such phones is illegal.

Mobile lines are existant.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8013/post131072767041io0.jpg

[Mr.K]

I'm just translating. During his trip , Lebedev ( whose pictures started this thread said that mobiles are forbidden and there is one operator DPRK 04 or something) Mobile lines may exist but not for the common folk.

[Panzergraf]

Where did the pictures on the first page go?

[teekay]

For some of you it might be interresting to take a look on the danish program: The red chapel(det roede kapel). It is about 2 comics:a half koreans and a spasmatic travelling to north korea, where they look at certain monuments and some anti american demonstrations. They manage to get all the tape out of the country intact, and the tapes show a really real picture of this comunist korea.

[Heron]

so...
mind to share the tapes here ?

[Switek]

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REUTERS/Adam Dean
North Korean passengers on a boat pass buildings on China's side on the Yalu River in the North Korean town of Sinuiju December 18, 2006. Talks aimed at persuading North Korea to forsake its nuclear weapons opened in Beijing on Monday, with key negotiators wary over how Pyongyang will respond after staging its first atomic blast.
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REUTERS/Adam Dean
North Korean passengers are seen on a boat with goods on the Yalu River in the North Korean town of Sinuiju December 18, 2006. Talks aimed at persuading North Korea to forsake its nuclear weapons opened in Beijing on Monday, with key negotiators wary over how Pyongyang will respond after staging its first atomic blast.
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REUTERS/Adam Dean
A North Korean soldier guards the bank of the Yalu River in the North Korean town of Sinuiju December 18, 2006. Talks aimed at persuading North Korea to forsake its nuclear weapons opened in Beijing on Monday, with key negotiators wary over how Pyongyang will respond after staging its first atomic blast.
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REUTERS/Adam Dean
North Korean soldiers look at the photographer on the bank of the Yalu River near the North Korean town of Sinuiju December 18, 2006. Talks aimed at persuading North Korea to forsake its nuclear weapons opened in Beijing on Monday, with key negotiators wary over how Pyongyang will respond after staging its first atomic blast.
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REUTERS/Adam Dean
North Korean soldiers look at the photographer on the bank of the Yalu River near the North Korean town of Sinuiju December 18, 2006. Talks aimed at persuading North Korea to forsake its nuclear weapons opened in Beijing on Monday, with key negotiators wary over how Pyongyang will respond after staging its first atomic blast.
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REUTERS/Adam Dean
A North Korean soldier throws a stone at a photographer from the bank of the Yalu River at the North Korean town of Sinuiju December 19, 2006. The top U.S. negotiator in bruising nuclear disarmament talks with North Korea said on Tuesday no progress had been made and urged Pyongyang to come to the table with a realistic offer - and a festive spirit.
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REUTERS/Lee Jae-won
A North Korean woman gives an explanation to visiting South Koreans in front of a statue of the late leader Kim Il-sung at the largest public library in Pyongyang December 19, 2006. About 100 people from South Korea, mostly non-government organization officials, visited Pyongyang on Monday to mark the completion of repair works on a major hospital in Pyongyang which they funded.
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REUTERS/Lee Jae-won
A portrait of late North Korean leader Kim Il-sung hangs under a North Korean flag as it snows in Pyongyang December 19, 2006. About 100 people from South Korea, mostly non-governmental organisation officials, visited Pyongyang on Monday to mark the completion of repair work on a major hospital in the North's capital which they funded.
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REUTERS/Lee Jae-won
North Koreans clap during a ceremony marking the completion of repair work on a major hospital in Pyongyang December 19, 2006. About 100 people from South Korea, mostly non-governmental organisation officials, visited Pyongyang on Monday to mark the completion of repair work on the hospital which they funded.
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REUTERS/Lee Jae-won
North Koreans clap during a ceremony celebrating the completion of repair work on a major hospital in Pyongyang December 19, 2006. About 100 people from South Korea, mostly non-governmental organisation officials, visited Pyongyang on Monday to mark the completion of repair work on the hospital which they funded.
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REUTERS/Lee Jae-won
A North Korean nurse stands in a sickroom in a hospital in Pyongyang December 19, 2006. About 100 people from South Korea, mostly non-governmental organisation officials, visited Pyongyang on Monday to mark the completion of repair work on a major hospital in the North's capital which they funded.
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REUTERS/Lee Jae-won
A North Korean student looks at visiting South Koreans at the largest public library in Pyongyang December 19, 2006. About 100 people from South Korea, mostly non-governmental organisation officials, visited Pyongyang on Monday to mark the completion of repair work on a major hospital in the North's capital which they funded.
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REUTERS/Lee Jae-won
A North Korean man reads a book as it snows in Pyongyang December 19, 2006. About 100 people from South Korea, mostly non-governmental organisation officials, visited Pyongyang on Monday to mark the completion of repair work on a major hospital in the North's capital which they funded.

[Switek]

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[Mr.K]

They have better roads than we do

[SBL]

They have better roads than we do

That's because there's no cars to tear them up.

[free2air]

sorry for my english, it is not so good but i will try my best!
i'm from Eastern Europe/Romania/Bucharest ... Romania has been allmost in the same situation in the 80's, but it wasn't so bad like in North Korea now, i found this forum one week ago, i was interested in this subject because one week ago i saw on National Geographic a documentary about NK and i was shocked of what i was seeing, i cant remember well but i think the documentary was about one eye doctor from Nepal going to NK to make 1000 surgery's in human organisation, something like this, and they goed to NK with hidden cameras ... the people from NK , they are incredible brain washed, i feel sorry for them, i hope the comunist regim will fall there, i hope ...:-(

[adama11]

why can't i see the picture posted on page one

[Switek]

Couse they have been removed from the original server, I guess

[SomeGeek]

Couse they have been removed from the original server, I guess

That travel log should be preserved, its got a great commentary.

[CreepingDeath]

Worst country ever...

Theres only one idiotic person in the internet who makes NK propagandas and believing Nk is "happiness" : Songunblog of Youtube.

[SBL]

Worst country ever...

Theres only one idiotic person in the internet who makes NK propagandas and believing Nk is "happiness" : Songunblog of Youtube.

Songun blog is satyrical.

[Foutch]

Hey, I am new to this thread, but i was wondering if what anyone thought about North Korea and their sanction on information. Do you think it is getting better and perhaps going to open up for trade, ect... or do you think they are still keeping their doors shut?

[Switek]

Hey, I am new to this thread, but i was wondering if what anyone thought about North Korea and their sanction on information. Do you think it is getting better and perhaps going to open up for trade, ect... or do you think they are still keeping their doors shut?

First: Welcome to the forum.

Second: I guess not. NK regime have only one plan: to survive. No matter with what price.

[SBL]

Hey, I am new to this thread, but i was wondering if what anyone thought about North Korea and their sanction on information. Do you think it is getting better and perhaps going to open up for trade, ect... or do you think they are still keeping their doors shut?

Because Kim's hand has been forced to accept more Open Door policies doesn't mean he can afford to be liberal with his people. North Koreans have been force fed the notion that Juche is the single greatest philosophical development. Ever. Therefore the ideology of the state ties into everything from military matters, to economics, to personal life. Of course the converse is that it can't be separated from the blame,either when things go bad.
I suspect lots of North Koreans are aware that things are better outside and that Juche has royally screwed the nation, but the idea is to keep that number of people as limited as possible. If word gets out on a broad scale that you might get a better deal somewhere else, it'll lead to instability.

[Foutch]

Thank you!

[ramcdaniel1]

I agree, the South has been very much "americanized". A bit of a shame for their heritage and culture. Still much better than living in the North.

22.5

I think it would be more correct to say "Westernized". And that is not always such a bad thing.

[BigDukaroo]

Wow, I would never want to live in NK even if I was paid. I never knew it was that bad.

Are North Koreans allowed to fly to the U.S or any European countries?

[Switek]

Wow, I would never want to live in NK even if I was paid. I never knew it was that bad.

Are North Koreans allowed to fly to the U.S or any European countries?

Sure they can but under some conditions: if the are relatives, close fiends and/or confident to Kim ;)

[Foutch]

In the short term, Pyongyang’s chance of surviving is indisputable, but as for the long term their success hinges on three main elements, leadership progression, economic upturn and the loyalty of North Korean people. What is North Korea chance for long-term survival? I am wondering how these 3 elements will help NK, can any one answer this for me?? Thanks!

[Foutch]

Let me re-phrase... How do you think leadership and the loyalty of the Korean people will effect North Koreas chance for survival in the long term?

[Foutch]

What would happen to East Asia if North Korea were to collapse?

[~center~]

What would happen to East Asia if North Korea were to collapse?

A party would ensue and I would bring the cake! woot

...or something else would happen. ;-)

[Flagg]

A party would ensue and I would bring the cake! woot

...or something else would happen. ;-)

Like a collapse in the South Korean standard of living and quality of life.

Hear that giant sucking sound?

that's North Korea sucking ever South Korean Won into an economic black hole 100 times bigger than East Germany.

My guess is South Koreans fear NK imploding more than exploding.

[Strongie]

Could someone take a look at RACE TRAITORS post and scroll down to picture number 7. It reminds me of Fight Club when Tyler Durden starts messing around with the movie reels.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82755&page=7

Am I the first one to notice this?

[Karaahmetoglu ლორთქიფანიძე]

Could someone take a look at RACE TRAITORS post and scroll down to picture number 7. It reminds me of Fight Club when Tyler Durden starts messing around with the movie reels.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82755&page=7

Am I the first one to notice this?


There is something weird about Page number 7.

[TR1]

Like a collapse in the South Korean standard of living and quality of life.

Hear that giant sucking sound?

that's North Korea sucking ever South Korean Won into an economic black hole 100 times bigger than East Germany.

My guess is South Koreans fear NK imploding more than exploding.
How long would it take for the North to actually bring benefit to the South (via resources, both human and geographic) assuming the nation's leadesrhip collapsed?

The population of a united Korea would be impressive.

[Flagg]

How long would it take for the North to actually bring benefit to the South (via resources, both human and geographic) assuming the nation's leadesrhip collapsed?

The population of a united Korea would be impressive.

I'd say the actual financial cost would exceed a trillion dollars...possibly 2 trillion.

I'd say the standard of living of South Koreans would be cut in half, or worse and wouldn't recover to 2009 South Korean standard of living for 20+ years.

The best current example to reach your own opinion would be studying the financial and societal costs of the reunification of Germany.

East Germany possessed a FAR higher standard of living and quality of life than North Korea today, and the disparity between the two wasn't as great as between North and South Korea.

As stated before, I honestly believe the biggest threat posed by North Korea today is North Korea saying "we quit."

South Korea is a massive and massively successful economy and society...they got Star Trek kinda sh!t there(like REAL broadband) that we can only dream of in New Zealand.

The game of musical chairs has to end someday....if North Korea cannot be maintained as an entity, South Korea will be left holding the can...it just ends badly in any realistic way for South Korea....in my opinion....and I'm an optomist.

[Mr.K]

Thread resurrected, found some more pics from Russian tourists. No time to do the capitons, hopefully Russian speaking members will collaborate or give me a good site with a translator, because the stories of the tourists are interesting.

http://photofile.ru/photo/masquerade/2455830/69107118.jpg

With NK tour guide.

http://photofile.ru/photo/masquerade/2455830/69107117.jpg

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NK beer. They liked it.

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Russian Orthodox mission

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It is forbidden to take pictures of the military :P

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The trick in taking such picture is pretenting taking a picture of a friend who is posing next to the soldiers. At the end of their tour the guides didn't care about the them taking "forbidden" pics.

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Subway

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Museum


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Books " American imperialists started the Korean war"


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More books, about Great leader.

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More dear leaders

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LEEADER!:)

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USA : kindgdom of terror

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Why I left South Korea

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USS Pueblo

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10km long barrage, that allows the cultivation of rice

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Electricity went out (again)

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Food, notice the pin :)

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[Mr.K]

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Nk nature, the air is very clear

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Rice is growing whereever is possible


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Rice cultivation

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The infamous fence (they found a hole in it, of course, and went on the beach)

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Abandoned ship

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Monument to soviet soldiers

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[Mr.K]

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Waiting for the bus to leave for the suburbs after work

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Notice the weirdo hipster on the right

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Monument to the soviet army


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another view

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Kim Il Sung Stadium
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Movie theatre


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house


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Kiosks

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Koryo hotel


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Ice cream

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View of the west part of the city in the morning

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east side


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road to the DMZ


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food

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Source : http://yarportal.ru/topic29170s0.html

[Mr.K]

Another blog http://sergeydolya.livejournal.com/18391.html

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Leaving from Vladivostok

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The Il-18

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The same tourist guide, that was working with Art Lebedev , who's pics started this thread, the guys from Yaroslavl, my previous post and the owner of this blog. There are only 4 tourist guides that work with Russian tourists in NK.


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[Mr.K]

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Marathon

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Comrade Malenkov's gift

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inside of USS Pueblo

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:)
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Chinse tourists

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There are plenty of holes in the fences

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movie poster

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Hair dresser in the collective farm

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The show-off model kindergarden of the collective farm


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the life of "smiple" collective farmers ;)

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Model pionner camp

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Leader :)


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I didn't bother copying all the pics, you can visit the link for more.

[SBL]

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Those are some scrawny, miserable looking kids.:|

[Switek]

the life of "smiple" collective farmers ;)

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The same PC kit?

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[goat89]

Damn... need more pics! Really nice!

[Mr.K]

The same PC kit?




My bet is that whoever is in charge of "model" collective farms logistics, bought a set of 10 PCs and put them in each house.

[Switek]

My bet is that whoever is in charge of "model" collective farms logistics, bought a set of 10 PCs and put them in each house.


Bought? There are hundred of thousands for free on rubbish tips worldwide... ;)

[BearInBunnySuit]

koutch, thanks for posting the photos. They were very interesting to say the least.
To me, it looks like real economic development stopped in the 70s.

[Switek]

koutch, thanks for posting the photos. They were very interesting to say the least.
To me, it looks like real economic development stopped in the 70s.


You're wrong. The time has stopped in NK in late 1950's... p-)

[Mr.K]

koutch, thanks for posting the photos. They were very interesting to say the least.
To me, it looks like real economic development stopped in the 70s.

Yeah the 1970's from what I heard, were the best years in communist countries, then it all went downhill.

[sepia]

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korean bugIn Thailand call Mangdarofl.We eat its and delicious http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif .

[Smersh]

Very interesting pics. N. Korea like a time capsule to the 70s, with a mix of Great Leader insanity.

[Elbs]

There are few things things that scare me as much as the prospect of flying in an North Korean Il-18. Holy...sh*t.

[TR1]

All those starts on the T-34 barrell...Kills? :)

[George Lair]

I have registered. I still can't view the pictures. I can't find any place to ask for help.

George