Finnish reservist officer refresher course (big photos)

[mustamato]

Well, in most conscript armies the soldiers get called up for some refresher
training, and also voluntary refresher training is arranged. Here is from a refresher
exercise in Finland that was held for reserve officers, the main objective is to
improve their skills to teach and to be good leaders, that´s the reason to the lack
of action in these pictures:

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=4
First day, some instructions on what is going to happen

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=7
A corpral on her way to the firing range

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=34
Some refresher training on the heavy anti-tank weapon APILAS

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=36
... and the light version

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=47

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=53
Finnish standard SAW KvKK

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=72
Getting some instructions in how to use the finnish standard issue NVG VV2000, it can be used mounted
on the assault rifle as well.

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=58
Heavy MG

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=84

And some from 2003

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2003/get2data.php3?id=192
Getting the equipment

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2003/get2data.php3?id=275
Training in how to assemble a brand new PKM (note black plastic instead of wood)

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2003/get2data.php3?id=202

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2003/get2data.php3?id=209

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2003/get2data.php3?id=222
"Venttiseiska" field radio, I think these are American

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2003/get2data.php3?id=250

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2003/get2data.php3?id=254
Typical gang of reserve officers

And some from 2002

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2002/get2data.php3?id=185

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2002/get2data.php3?id=182

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2002/get2data.php3?id=152

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2002/get2data.php3?id=150

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2002/get2data.php3?id=104
Giving orders

[b00n]

Dont they got helmet mounts for that night vision device? that headmount looks kinda weird :|

[usa320]

beat me to it.

That must suck wearing that.

[RomanS]

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2003/get2data.php3?id=209

everyone wearing glasses
interesting

[kinghk]

Nice job Mustamato. But why do finnish soldiers always wear rubber boots (gummistøvler) instead of ordinary armyboots?

[Ratamacue]

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=72

Yarrrrrr. p-)

[Dalleer]

Nice job Mustamato. But why do finnish soldiers always wear rubber boots (gummistøvler) instead of ordinary armyboots?

You know, that bugs me as well.

It's a weird tradition of our ground forces that's still around despite the introduction of army boots a very looong time ago.

I'd take boots over these things anyday when it comes to long marches, (I've heard that some of the instructors in Vekaranjärvi have ordered that rubber boots be used in all other situations besides leave and physical exercises etc).

Of course they protect your feet better from water and all that, but I'd still take my changes with the M/91's than these things.

[rafaelcb]

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=72

Reminds me of the diver's night vision google's

http://www.boinasverdes.org/uoes/soldiers/fotos26/foto21.jpg

[Dalleer]

Hmm, who do you think manufactures the goggles' for our forces?

As I've understood a few certain reservist-stores here sell this sort of stuff from the Russian company of "Lomo", but I wouldn't know if these products are used that widely at all.

[Eddie]

Hmm, who do you think manufactures the goggles' for our forces?

Looks like this product is also from Patria...

http://www.hightechfinland.com/2004/newmaterialsprocess/patria.html

Acoustic sensor systems, optronics, and command and control systems are among the focal areas of Patria’s activities in the defence electronics field. The new Patria VV2000 Night Vision System, for example, offers excellent ergonomics and performance, and can be used in a number of applications.

[Dalleer]

Yes, those things surely did not look like the ones from "Lomo", I think...

[Elmo]

Nice job Mustamato. But why do finnish soldiers always wear rubber boots (gummistøvler) instead of ordinary armyboots?


Of course they protect your feet better from water and all that, but I'd still take my changes with the M/91's than these things.

Winter-time, I'd wear winter issue rubber boots with thermal insulation. Last December for instance, only -5 degrees celsius and about 10cm of snow, being outside 7 days in a row, no way you could survive with the army boots.

Apart from marching, I prefer rubber boots in any condition, except for extremely hot weather.

[Dalleer]

Nice job Mustamato. But why do finnish soldiers always wear rubber boots (gummistøvler) instead of ordinary armyboots?


Of course they protect your feet better from water and all that, but I'd still take my changes with the M/91's than these things.

Winter-time, I'd wear winter issue rubber boots with thermal insulation. Last December for instance, only -5 degrees celsius and about 10cm of snow, being outside 7 days in a row, no way you could survive with the army boots.

Apart from marching, I prefer rubber boots in any condition, except for extremely hot weather.


I think you're probably right, but I'm nevertheless working to beat these odds.

[Haiw]

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=53
Silver bullets? What are they gonna hunt? ;)

[mustamato]

Dont they got helmet mounts for that night vision device? that headmount looks kinda weird :|


beat me to it.

That must suck wearing that.

Yeah it doesn´t look very "cool" at all no. But what says that a helmet can´t
be worn over it? And besides, up north with the dark winters and the cold we have
this "at nights we don´t wear helmets", because you can´t hear as good then for
example. And it seems clear to me that you guys havent worn NVG´s for several
hours when coming with comments like that. How the mount looks is quite irrelevant,
what happens after several hours is that your neck starts to get tired, and then atleast
I would appreciate a mount that was effective and did not just look "cool".

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/vv2000.jpg
VV 2000, as manufactured,
by Patria

Technical specifications

Magnification: 1 x
Field of View: 40°
Focal range: 25 cm -
Resolution at 1 mlux: >0.8 lp/mrad
Diopter adjustment: -0.75 dpt
Battery type: 2 x standard AA size
Tube: SuperGen or Gen III
Reticle: Illuminated
Environmentals: According to military requirements

Accessories

Tele-extender (magnification 2.7x)
Weapon bracket with adjustments
Head mask
Carrying pouch
Transport case
Cleaning kit

Options:

CCD version with helmet monitor
CCD version with normal monitor
Coupling with photo or video camera

[Elmo]

Silver bullets? What are they gonna hunt? ;)

The target usually is codenamed A-2 Yellow, the enemy which has amazingly
similar structure and tactics to....guess what army? :P

[Sleeping Sun]

To which units are those nvgs issued to. I never saw one during my nine months in the Kaartin Jääkärirykmentti. The only nightvision device I got to use was the WILD-BIG 3.
http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/pics/sivu017.jpg

[Dalleer]

I never saw one during my nine months in the Kaartin Jääkärirykmentti.

Kaarti must be freakin' great...

[mustamato]

To which units are those nvgs issued to. I never saw one during my nine months in the Kaartin Jääkärirykmentti. The only nightvision device I got to use was the WILD-BIG 3.
http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/pics/sivu017.jpg

Depends on when you did your service. I think the VV2000 came around about
2001, atleast that´s when I saw LJK use them the first time. As for 2003 I have
seen them in use with the boys in Helsinki as well.

[Sleeping Sun]

I got out last october.

[mustamato]

I got out last october.

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/tj/arkistot/kuvat/2004-01-09-105.jpg
http://www.mil.fi/ruotuvaki/index.dsp?action=read_page&pid=18&aid=190

[Sleeping Sun]

Kaarti must be freakin' great...

I believe it's the same in all regiments. Kaarti is said to be the only urban warfare unit in the finnish army yet we spent a hell of a lot more time in the woods than in an urban environment. A small exception was the MP company of the regiment.

[Dalleer]

Yeah, I guess your right about that one. But I'm more interested of Kaarti just because it's closer than Vekaranjärvi and chances are they won't be giving me any of those horrible metal helmets either...

[Sleeping Sun]

Yeah I can see the guy in the pic is also wearing the new combat vest. There were two (2) of those vests in use in the regiment in my time. One in the 2nd Jaeger Company and the other in the Antitank Company. Two sergeants in the Antitank Company were also using the newest rifle of the RK family with the folding stock. They also had some optical sights on them as well.

[Sleeping Sun]

Yeah, I guess your right about that one. But I'm more interested of Kaarti just because it's closer than Vekaranjärvi and chances are they won't be giving me any of those horrible metal helmets either...

I entered service in january 2003. We were all issued the composite helmets. Those who came to service in july were issued those horrible metal helmets, because the composite helmets were in maintenance or something.
The only time I had to use the metal helmet was in Hämeenrykmentti in Lahti where I was sent to medic training.

[Dalleer]

Yeah, I guess your right about that one. But I'm more interested of Kaarti just because it's closer than Vekaranjärvi and chances are they won't be giving me any of those horrible metal helmets either...

I entered service in january 2003. We were all issued the composite helmets. Those who came to service in july were issued those horrible metal helmets, because the composite helmets were in maintenance or something.
The only time I had to use the metal helmet was in Hämeenrykmentti in Lahti where I was sent to medic training.

Yeah, so I've got to remember on applying for january, eh?

[samilisko]

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/verkkopartio2004/get2data.php3?id=53
Silver bullets? What are they gonna hunt? ;)

Those are inert rounds, used to practise loading LMG belts and assault rifle magazines. They're called "Latausharjoituspatruunat"(Loading reharsal rounds)

[FinnishMF]

Ooh. Someone bring those things to artillery forces too :(

Maybe we just use our instincs and hmm rocks

:cantbeli:

[radon]

The bad thing is many people dont take it too seriously with physical excercise... :cantbeli: That is very bad with a conscript army.

[Resevoir Hogs]

Silver bullets? What are they gonna hunt?

Those are dum dum insert rounds.
ust pieces of metal made to look like rounds to practice speed loading a mag or carrying out weapons drills. hence they don't hurt anyone unless you throw them really hard.

[Ezra Coli]

Wonderful photos! Absolutely great pics from one of my favorite nations!

Thank you!

[FinnishMF]

Wonderful photos! Absolutely great pics from one of my favorite nations!

Thank you!

Whose favorite country could be Finland ?? :|

[jassemon]

Yeah, so I've got to remember on applying for january, eh?

If you wanna get your hands on the fancy new stuff, I suggest you apply to Pori Brigade. I went there in July 2001, everyone had composite helmets and the new RK 95.

[Dalleer]

Yeah, so I've got to remember on applying for january, eh?

If you wanna get your hands on the fancy new stuff, I suggest you apply to Pori Brigade. I went there in July 2001, everyone had composite helmets and the new RK 95.

New stuff would be really cool, but I think that Pori brigade might be a bit too far for me to wonder in. Afterall, even a person like me does care about the distance that I'm stationed in.

It's all about getting to the closest possible garrison, since I do live so terribly close to Helsinki.

[mustamato]

FINNISH ARTILLERYBOYS REFRESHER EXERCISE

(Instead of putting them in to a new post I put them here).

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/kertaajat%20siviilit%20niskas.jpg
Civilians on their way to refresher exercise

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/sjoki%20masin%20per%E4st%E4.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/j%E4b%E4t%20notskilla.jpg
"If now dragged out to the forest we can atleast make it comfortable for us" :P

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/155mm%20kentt%E4tykki.jpg
Their little gun, Finnish Patria 155 mm K83, range about 30 km

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/tykki2.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/tykki3.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/tykki.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/rk%2062.jpg
Their smaller guns

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/teltta.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/kkp.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/murkulat%20j%E4ykk%E4n%E4.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/murkula.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/kolmos%20panos.jpg
Looks like toilet paper, but it´s the cartridges

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/urho.jpg
... the difference between a refresher exercise and basic training

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/r%F6tv%E4yst%E4.jpg
Some rubber boots for Dalleer

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/p%E4%E4kuulomikro.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/tykit%20laulaa.jpg
"What was that? I thought I heard something? Oh never mind"

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/huomio%21.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/huomio%21%20tulta%21.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/singahtaa.jpg

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/laukasu%20pitkien%20p%E4ist%E4.jpg

[Dalleer]

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/r%F6tv%E4yst%E4.jpg
Some rubber boots for Dalleer

Argh...I don't like them one bit..

But anyway, I can't say I would be that concerned about the artillery's level of equipment today since they're just the artillery. It's not like they would need anything for frontline-battles that much.

And then again, this is an exercise so the equipment isn't that particular.

Looks like a nice "refresher", and those people seem to get a kick out of it, too bad that the artillery's never really interested me as an option.

[mustamato]

Looks like a nice "refresher", and those people seem to get a kick out of it, too bad that the artillery's never really interested me as an option.

If was going to be a squadleader in a heavy mortar squad, but like one month
before the unit (or well the whole regiment) dissapeared in to the history books,
bastards. I was looking forward to it. It´s said that it is much waiting, but once
something happens it fokking hard work, really heavy stuff, and regrouping
and everything.

http://www.armen.mil.se/images/local/granat.jpg
Granatkastare m/41D, Finnish Tampella´s actually

http://www.armen.mil.se/images/local/ostovar.jpg
... Swedish immigration policy :P

http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/IE_OH05.jpg
With STRIX, anti-tank round

[Uninen]

rofl

[Parzival]

It´s hard for me to see the diffrens between The russian and the finnish army. Same old soviet equiment. That what it looks to me, but I am sure Finland has more modern weapons.

[Parzival]

http://www.armen.mil.se/images/local/ostovar.jpg
... Swedish immigration policy :P

Uhmm, What? What do you mean with that?

[Dalleer]

If was going to be a squadleader in a heavy mortar squad, but like one month
before the unit (or well the whole regiment) dissapeared in to the history books,
bastards. I was looking forward to it. It´s said that it is much waiting, but once
something happens it fokking hard work, really heavy stuff, and regrouping
and everything.

Yeah, it seems that the Swedes have been really interested on disassembling their regiments/units lately, and what remains to be seen in a few years is what might be left...

Still, mortars in specifically might be way interesting....


http://www.armen.mil.se/images/local/ostovar.jpg
... Swedish immigration policy :P

Hmm, that's just crazy.

[mustamato]

It´s hard for me to see the diffrens between The russian and the finnish army. Same old soviet equiment.

You probably have difficulties because you are a dumbass. Those cannons
are not Russian, but Finnish. And well, those mortars the Swedes are using
are not Russian either, they are also Finnish. A further development of the
K83 those reservists had is the K98, which is not very old.

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/patria/patria1.jpg

Patria has also delivered new mortars to the Finnish army and navy, both
heavy (as seen on the picture) and light ones.

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/patria/new3.jpg





http://www.armen.mil.se/images/local/ostovar.jpg
... Swedish immigration policy :P

Uhmm, What? What do you mean with that?

It´s called a joke.

[Parzival]

http://www.armen.mil.se/images/local/ostovar.jpg
rofl
Uhmm, What? What do you mean with that?

It´s called a joke.
Yea, Please. Keep that kind of jokes for yourself.

[FinnishMF]

It´s hard for me to see the diffrens between The russian and the finnish army. Same old soviet equiment.

You probably have difficulties because you are a dumbass. Those cannons
are not Russian, but Finnish. And well, those mortars the Swedes are using
are not Russian either, they are also Finnish. A further development of the
K83 those reservists had is the K98, which is not very old.

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/patria/patria1.jpg

Patria has also delivered new mortars to the Finnish army and navy, both
heavy (as seen on the picture) and light ones.

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/patria/new3.jpg





http://www.armen.mil.se/images/local/ostovar.jpg
... Swedish immigration policy :P

Uhmm, What? What do you mean with that?

It´s called a joke.

I got trained for this weapon also, but mainly for 122H63 (finnish improved D-30)
And I think this is not so good weapon for winter conditions unlike the russian cannons (or howitzers)
Because for example hydraulics and lock will freeze under such conditions.

[ikurinturbiini]

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/r%F6tv%E4yst%E4.jpg
Some rubber boots for Dalleer

Argh...I don't like them one bit..

I don't mind the rubber boots per se. What I find disturbing is the reflective band. You can see them shine miles away.

I guess when rubber boots are issued in a live situation, every man must bring his own black Magic Marker Pen. You know, to transform innocent civilian footwear into Tactical Gear... rofl

[Dalleer]

I don't mind the rubber boots per se. What I find disturbing is the reflective band. You can see them shine miles away.

I guess when rubber boots are issued in a live situation, every man must bring his own black Magic Marker Pen. You know, to transform innocent civilian footwear into Tactical Gear... rofl


Yep, the reflective bands are something that isn't exactly a great idea by the FDF in any way. There's the "lämpötakki" (thermal coat, or something) that has a triangle-shaped reflective piece of fabric on it's back.

Imagine how many of those things would suddenly get their reflective pieces of cloth ripped out in case of a real conflict...

[Sergeant]

I hate rubber boots I really do. The reason? We had to wear them in HOT summer all the time. We took good boots with us everywhere but they were just in our rucksacks... we used those rubber boots everywhere and they were horrible most of the times. I mean it was freaking dry all the time, and yet we had to wear those.

Actually, we had to wear those rubber boots in the boot camp, and we had a rule, special rule, that you can not take the rubber boots off until you go to sleep. You can guess what that does to your feet in the hot summer eh? We marched, trained offensives and defense and everything with those rubber boots and not once did we had an opportunity to take them off and just let our feet BREATH!

You can pretty much guess what had happened to our feet when we got back to the barracks finally.. everyones feet were totally busted. And for what? For nothing. We were not so stupid that we had to learn it through the hard way, we all knew it was going to happen. But the special rule was, no taking off the rubber boots, except when you sleep, which wasn't very much anyway. Try wearing those ****ers for a week in a row in hot summer doing lot of moving and sweating. And as for washing your feet.. you didn't even get a chance to do that. You ran out of clean socks in no time. My feet were blistered up, white, skin coming off from everywhere and no feeling to some parts, as were my buddies too. We would have taken them off many times, but we were told not to. THat's pretty ****ing stupid rule. Most of us knew our assholes from the hole in the ground anyway and most of us had been in the forest before the army.. not many 'city kids' around. So we were not newbies to that stuff. Still makes me angry to think about the ****er who ordered that 'feet busting order'.. I don't know just for the fun of it?

Also when your feet are in that rubber boot busted up already, sweaty, and then you know it gets pretty hot in there when the sun is shining their directly for more than few minutes, it almost burns. Damn it what a stupid ****ing rule!

Winter time is OK for the rubber boots. That's when I sometimes wore them even when I didn't have to. Corporals and Sergeants didn't have to wear rubber boots where I was serving, so unnecessary to say but I never wore those again, except when it was winter.

[Dalleer]

I hate rubber boots I really do.

Finally someone else who agrees with me....

Fight the power! Use M/91's...

Seriously though, I've heard of similar stories about the instructors ordering you to use nothing but the rubber boots when normal M/91's would be available.

That really bugs me, especially when some of these instructors have a tendency to follow the rule all the time.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Well hell, if it bugs you out that much, complain about it to the squad&platoon leaders! Or the officers! When I was a conscript leader, we usually made the decision what the crew wears p-)

Or better yet, go to AUK and/or RUK! Ain't nobody telling you what to put on 'yer feet after that :)

[Sergeant]

Exactly. And when the rubber boots are very likely to cause your feet to bust up for no reason at all, ordering to use them and 'not taking them off except when you sleep' is a really bad idea. I mean there is no point for that. What next, should be carry 30 kg rocks in our backs just because well.. it's not pleasant and makes your character stronger supposedly?

I say when I get paid 4 euros a day and serving for a year practically for free because I felt that's what I wanted to do, I'd appreciate the use of common sense in things like this. Like rubber boots, duh.. I don't want to get my feet busted up and then do stuff for a week in the woods just because some officer had to do that too back in the 70s. We could throw away our guns too and just use our knives, hardcore style. Or extend the boot camp to last 2 years never seeing barracks or food. I mean, why not?

[Sergeant]

I have served and my nickname is my real rank. My officers didn't let us do that, plus we did actually say to privates 'put on boots' instead of the rubber ones for offensive training in their boot camp and our officer came to watch it and was pissed 'who the **** ordered the use of boots. Rubber boots back on!'. I'm telling you this rule was enforced to us and we didn't have a choice.

[Uninen]

Well hell, if it bugs you out that much, complain about it to the squad&platoon leaders!

:roll:

When this happened i used to say "STFU", were doing this my way.. :P

Seriously "avautuminen" gets you nowhere..

and anyhow the rubber boots are so much better un the woods.. as vs. to the assault boots..

[Dalleer]

Or better yet, go to AUK and/or RUK! Ain't nobody telling you what to put on 'yer feet after that :)

Well, to be honest with you I'd be interested of AUK. And perhaps due to three years of high school and hard work I'll be able to get in.

[Sergeant]

So I was the squad leader and when I ordered to use boots instead, getting rid of those bastard rubber boots and disobeying a direct order, I paid the price of having to put rubber boots myself too.. when completed AUK, we basically could wear what ever we wanted and privates had to wear the gear ordered by officers but it didn't mean we should wear them too, and that we could use our own common sense. Basically meaning not wearing rubber boots in hot summer or taking harmaa palvelusasu to camps. After that incident, the Lt gave me personal gear inspection and found out I didn't pack all the gear in the list, because half of it is useless anyway and the unwritten rule of us being able to decide what we take with us to camps. Since I didn't have all the **** that was 'necessary' like that harmaa palveluspuku, I had to report to the captain later on when the camp was ordered because I disobeyd direct order. I **** you not. However the captain was cool about it and told that the Lt is pretty young and eager :roll:

So the whole rubber boot incident.. I'm very passionate about it :fork:

[FDF_Hemppis]

So I was the squad leader and when I ordered to use boots instead, getting rid of those bastard rubber boots and disobeying a direct order, I paid the price of having to put rubber boots myself too.. when completed AUK, we basically could wear what ever we wanted and privates had to wear the gear ordered by officers but it didn't mean we should wear them too, and that we could use our own common sense. Basically meaning not wearing rubber boots in hot summer or taking harmaa palvelusasu to camps. After that incident, the Lt gave me personal gear inspection and found out I didn't pack all the gear in the list, because half of it is useless anyway and the unwritten rule of us being able to decide what we take with us to camps. Since I didn't have all the **** that was 'necessary' like that harmaa palveluspuku, I had to report to the captain later on when the camp was ordered because I disobeyd direct order. I **** you not. However the captain was cool about it and told that the Lt is pretty young and eager :roll:

So the whole rubber boot incident.. I'm very passionate about it :fork:

I hear ya! btw, I'm a Sergeant too ;)

Same thing in my case, after AUK could wear what we wanted (more or less). Crew wear what they are told to p-)

And the packing for the camps...Yeah it was pretty horrible in the P-kausi, we just about had to take every freakin' thing with us! But like said, after AUK it was all about KSE. On the first camp with the recruits, I had nothing but a pillow and a sleeping bag :)

I spent my "leader season" as a santsari in the AUK, so we had pretty much freedom in our doings, out Lt. didn't really didn't care all that much what we packed (or did), as long as the job got done.

And hearing that some officer forces to wear rubber boots in the summer....I mean...that's just ****ing insane! I never did that!

Ahh, golden memories about avautuminen...STFU!!! DO IT HOW I TELL YOU, NOT HOW I DO IT! p-)

[Sergeant]

:lol:

Not too much KSE for us while we had that ****head Lt.. Fortunately soon after the second boot camp he went to UN mission or something like that, so we got a new one who was professional. And KSE began :P

Plus I think it was bad policy that he came shouting at me in front of the men anyway. He held the personal gear inspection to me where the men could see me. Fortunately everyone disliked him so I didn't lose my face because of it. More like bonded more with the guys. That Lt was funny though.. if you have really good sense of humour and saw through his BS that is. His favourite hobby was to catch guards smoking or what ever at camps. He could have been getting drunk with the rest of them at cozy cabin but no, he had to make in some extra hours during the night to do that. Not to mention we already did that, checking up on guards that no one is sleeping. He came to us and asked 'who is in guard duty? names I want names? Who of those smokes? Ok be right back'. And then he came with names to write down.. p-) Unfortunately we used that paper to keep the fire in our kamina and he never got it back :lol:

[FDF_Hemppis]

Yeah, that Lt. of yours sounds like a real ****!
It is wrong to shout or diss a lower rank in front of the others, we were told to have private conversations on those matters. In the P-kausi, that is. In AUK that was our duty!
It was really fun to see what the tutkinto 1 looks like when you're the one whose sole job is to piss the hell out of the students...hehe