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playtym
06-06-2006, 11:06 AM
I was asked recently in a PM whether I knew of any books on the war involving South Africa, Angola and Cuba – what we in South Africa call the Border War. I sat and made up a list, but decided it was WAY to long for a response via PM, so I decided to create this thread instead.

I've included a couple dealing with South Africa during that period, and after, that do not specifically relate to the Border War per se, but they are all good books worth reading.

Some of the books will be easy to find, others exceptionally rare - there are a couple in here that I paid R1,000 each for at an auction!

The South African Border War lasted from 1966 until 1989 when South Africa withdrew from South West Africa / Namibia - these are a few of the books covering this 23-year long conflict.


The Silent War: South African Recce operations, 1969-1994 by Peter Stiff
This book covers all of the top-secret raids by Special Forces into surrounding African states, the political dynamics which led to them and the turbulent history of the times.
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Warfare by Other Means: South Africa in the 1980s and 1990s by Peter Stiff
This book explores the methods of highly unconventional warfare conducted by South Africa’s secret intelligence and covert warfare units, always deniable and one step away from the official war machine during the final years of apartheid. It is mostly compiled from first accounts of operators who took part.
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The Covert War: Koevoet Operations in Namibia, 1979-1989 by Peter Stiff
The mostly untold story of Koevoet – the South African Police’s highly successful counter-insurgency unit. Initially based on the Selous Scouts of Rhodesia, it was formed in 1979 and deployed in Namibia until independence in 1989 when it was disbanded as a sop to the UN.
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An Unpopular War: From Afkak to Bosbefok by JH Thompson
In the 1970s. 1980s and 1990s conscription had a profound effect on hundreds of thousands of young South African white men, particularly those who had to fight in the Angolan war. This book is a collection of reflections and memories of former national servicemen collected by JH Thompson, who interviewed men who did their national service over those years.
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Umkhonto we Sizwe: Fighting for a Divided People by Thula Bopela and Daluxolo Luthuli
This landmark book is the first memoir written by men who fought as guerrillas with any of the liberation forces of countries in southern Africa.
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Conflicting Missions: Havana, Washington, Pretoria by Piero Gleijeses
This is a compelling and dramatic account of Cuban policy in Africa and of its escalating clash with US policy and later its direct military clashes with the South African Defence Force in Angola. It is the other side of a conflict that South Africans have not been told about until now.
Piero Gleijeses' Conflicting Missions is the 2003 winner of the prestigious Ferrell Prize of the Society of Historians of American Foreign Relations.
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The Buffalo Soldiers: Story of South Africa’s 32-Battalion, 1975-1993 by Col. Jan Breytenbach
32-Battalion was forged from guerrilla irregulars during the South African military intervention in Angola in 1975 under the code name Operation Savannah. The author, Colonel Jan Breytenbach, was its founding commander. Because of the secrecy surrounding it, 32-Battalion not only became one of the finest fighting units in the South African Army, it also became the most controversial. This is its story.
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Taming the Landmine by Peter Stiff
The first book written on the development of the landmine as a tactical weapon combined with the advances made in the design of mine protected vehicles in Rhodesia and later in South Africa.
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At Thy Call – We Did Not Falter by Clive Holt
This is a gripping frontline account of the Angolan War as seen through the eyes of a 19-year-old conscripted South African soldier. It tells a story common to many young white South Africans who, like him, were flung into battle against often overwhelming enemy forces straight after finishing school.
The author fought in the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale where the SADF supported UNITA rebels after a massive build-up of Cuban and Angolan troops. It was the bloodiest and most significant battle fought by South African troops since World War II.
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32 Battalion: The inside story of South Africa’s elite fighting unit by Piet Nortje
Every war has at least one unit so different, so daring, that it becomes the stuff of which legends are made and heroes are born. Among the South African forces fighting in Angola from 1975 to 1989, that unit was 32 Battalion.
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Days of the Generals: The untold story of South Africa’s apartheid era military Generals by Hilton Hamann
What really happened during South Africa’s military involvement in Angola? Did the military leaders always see eye to eye with the politicians — or for that matter, with each other? This book helps to lift the blinds.
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A Greater Share of Honour by Jack Greef
The first major first person account of South African special operations written by a former Recce operator, Major Jack Greeff. It is an essential companion to Peter Stiff’s The Silent War: South African Recce operations 1969-1994, the publication of which finally inspired him to put pen to paper. ‘One of the early problems I faced was how to tell the whole truth,’ Jack Greef says in his foreword. ‘Some operations, until recently, were still classified as Top Secret and have never been acknowledged by the SADF. The problem was solved when Peter Stiff’s book, The Silent War came on the shelf where most of the operations were described, some in detail while others were mentioned briefly.’
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Nine Days of War by Peter Stiff
This book focuses on the last nine days of fighting in the Namibian War of Independence. It gives a clear picture of the day by day political machinations going on behind the scenes while the soldiers battled it out on the ground. Peter Stiff writes in rather stilted prose. Nonetheless, the story he relates of SWAPO trickery and UN complicity helps one to understand recent events in Namibia, such as the outbreak of guerrilla war in the Caprivi Strip against the SWAPO government. Written from a pro South African bias this book is still an important contribution to understanding the long South Africa vs SWAPO border war in Namibia (1966-1989) and why South Africa held on to Namibia for so long in the face of intense international pressure.
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Vlamgat: The story of the Mirage F-1 in the South African Air Force by Brigadier Dick Lord
Vlamgat is the gripping story of the South African Mirage F1 jet fighter pilots in action during the tense years of the bush war. Their experiences are authentically told with accuracy, humour and pathos - by an author who writes from the cockpit.
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From Tailhooker to Mudmover by Brigadier Dick Lord
Recounts the author's (a former SAAF Brigadier-General) experiences during his 4 decades of service as a military aviator. Dick Lord served in the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm. He was a carrier pilot based on the HMS Ark Royal and was later seconded to duty with the United States Navy. In the latter part of his military career, he commanded a SAAF F1 Mirage squadron during the SWA / Angola campaigns.
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Grensvegter?: South African Army Psychologist by Barry Fowler
This book details the experiences of a South African military psychologist during the counter insurgency war against SWAPO in Owamboland, South West Africa / Namibia in 1987. The book covers the author's mobilisation and de-mobilisation, the characters involved and lifestyle of the medical section at the HQ, experiences as a clinical psychologist debriefing soldiers who had been involved in firefights, and various insights into working and living in a military environment. There is also a detailed description of the psychological model used within the South African Medical service to debrief soldiers and others who were exposed to traumatic events which it could be expected could then lead to post Traumatic Stress Disorders. An interesting addition to the book are essays written by children living in garrisons that were under rocket attacks. This book could interest people involved in military medicine, especially with a conscripted army in a counter insurgency war situation. Barry Fowler hosts the Sentinal Projects SADF Scrap Book website located at http://www.geocities.com/sadf_scrapbook/index.html for those interested in reading more first hand accounts of the border war.
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Parabat by Matthew Paul
Personal accounts of paratroopers in combat situations in South Africa's history. In order to obtain a balanced and fair account, the author interviewed paratroopers of all races. It is also an account of how the exploits of the South African airborne family are seen by the men on the ground. The experiences have been recorded directly as were related to the author, with no changes or apologies- the swearing, the torture, the emotions, the turmoil, the killings and the humour. These are the accounts of the paratrooper family from the war in Angola in the 80s to the various township wars in the 90s, as well as South Africa's intervention in Lesotho in 1998. These are the accounts of personal bravery - some are horrific.
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We Fear Nought but God by Paul Els
The story of the elite South African Special Forces ("the Recces") from inception in the 1960s to disbandment in 1993. A unique account of one of South Africa's premier units, masters in the art of reconnaissance and clandestine warfare. Pro rata, the most highly decorated unit during the wars in Angola and Namibia / SWA. This is no gung-ho account, but rather a loving compiled series of accounts put together by the author who was there at the inception of this fine regiment. This is about the "operators", the men of the Recces, their exploits in Angola, SWA/Namibia and other southern africa territories. Includes a free copy of Lourens Fourie's music CD "The Recces".
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The Chopper Boys: Helicopter warfare in Africa by AL J Venter
This book covers helicopter warfare in Africa with maps, plans, covering the French in Algeria & Chad, Rhodesian War etc. The largest part of book covers the South African Wars.


Borderstrike! by Willem Steenkamp
Three cross-border incursions by the South African Defence Force are dealt with, starting with operation Reindeer (1978) into Angola, which marked a policy change by the South African goverment of the day to allow cross-border operations by the military. That is followed by Operation Revenge which was a follow-up operation into Zambian territory following the bombing of Katima Mulilo and lastly Operation Sceptic (1980) into Angola which is more commonly known by it's opening engagement Operation Smokeshell.
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Continent Ablaze: Insurgency wars in Africa, 1960 to the present by John Turner
The book provides a detailed operational history of the major Cold War conflicts on the African continent.
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The War for Africa: Twelve months that transformed a continent by Fred Bridgland
Towards the middle of 1988, Castro, who had taken personal control of the war, wanted to withdraw from Angola and discussions began on how this could be accomplished without losing face. One of Castro's top generals in Angola had already tried to defect and Moscow was pressing Castro to reach a settlement. The Cuban leader adopted an aggressive stance and threw more Cuban troops into the front line in order to lend weight to his negotiating position in the peace talks. General Del Pino, who also defected to the West, pointed out that it was pure bluff on Castro's part and that he feared defeat was imminent.
Cuban forces, integrated with SWAPO units, nevertheless pressed on to within 12 kilometres of the Namibian border. Facing 11,000 Cubans and perhaps 2,000 SWAPO was a force of 500 battle-hardened men from 32 "Buffalo" Battalion, the only available troops at the border until reinforcements could arrive. They held the line until tanks and artillery could be moved up. Cuban MiG-23s joined the fray and one was shot down. As the South African forces prepared to move North to engage the Cubans in what promised to be a Cuban nemesis, the Cubans signed the New York peace accords and avoided disaster.
The Cubans immediately claimed victory, which Bridgland points out was 'nonsense', but that:
the Cuban story was taken at face value by Castro's sympathisers in the Western press and repeated so many times that it became received truth. The Cubans were helped by the South Africans' own clumsy efforts at propaganda, which amounted to saying as little as possible about the full-scale war they fought in Angola.
The SADF at no stage had wanted an all-out war that would take them to Luanda as conquerors. Their objectives had been to fight a limited war in support of UNITA and prevent the Cubans from capturing UNITA's strongholds. The SADF had succeeded in this and was content to let the Cubans take the limelight. As Bridgland points out in his final summary of the war:
The War for Africa and the New York accords provided Cuba with pretexts for slipping out of a commitment that had become too hot and too expensive to handle. In 1975, when the Cuban adventure in Angola began, the 'scientific socialist' and 'internationalist' tide running from Moscow looked unstoppable. By 1988 it was a faded dream. Despite 13 years of Cuban support, the Angolan economy was ruined. The Marxist MPLA was in utter disarray and was trying desperately to shed its 'scientific-socialist' past... Castro's dreams of a Marxist revolution spreading from Angola to encompass the whole of Southern Africa had become a poor music hall joke...
"The War for Africa" by Fred Bridgland....the most accurate account of Cuba's involvement in the Angolan conflict.
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South Africas Border War, 1966-1989 by Willem Steenkamp
A very detailed description, filled with photographs and maps, covering this period of South African history.


Forged in Battle by Col. Jan Breytenbach
This is a soldier's story about South African soldiers in southern Angola and Namibia and the enemies they fought. It tells of insurgency and counter insurgency, guerilla warfare and counter-guerilla warfare, almost conventional warfare and conventional warfare. It tells of a conflict which to the world was unpopular, in which South Africa was perceived as the aggressor, but which South Africa saw as a war fought to stop what is Namibia falling into the hands of the Soviet and Cuban backed SWAPO organisation.
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They Live by the Sword: 32 ‘Buffalo’ Battalion – South Africas Foreign Legion by Col. Jan Breytenbach
This is a soldier's story about South African soldiers in southern Angola and Namibia and the enemies they fought. It tells of insurgency and counter insurgency, guerilla warfare and counter-guerilla warfare, almost conventional warfare and conventional warfare. It tells of a conflict which to the world was unpopular, in which South Africa was perceived as the aggressor, but which South Africa saw as a war fought to stop what is Namibia falling into the hands of the Soviet and Cuban backed SWAPO organisation. A follow up book to Forged in Battle.
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War in Angola: The final South African phase by Helmoed-Romer Helmoed
In August 1987 South Africa sent a force into south-eastern Angola in support of Unita. When the last South African soldier crossed the Kavango to return to South West Africa on 1st September 1988,this force had irrevocably changed the strategic situation in the region.
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South African War Machine by Helmoed-Romer Helmoed
Lavishly illustrated in b&w and colour. This briefly describes the history of South Africa's armed forces, outlining their roles in the two World Wars and in Korea and explaining how this background has contributed to the unique make-up of South Africa's defence forces today. The weapons, organisation and training of each of the South African armed services are fully described with sections on elite formations like 1 Reconnaissance Commando and 44 Parachute Brigade and the special techniques they have developed. The campaigns in South West Africa (Namibia) against the SWAPO guerillas are fully described, as are the various operations in Angola from the initial South African intervention in 1975.
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Koevoet! by Jim Hooper
Koevoet! is an intense and unique account of the little-understood Southern African bushwar, written by American Jim Hooper. He is the first journalist ever to have been granted unrestricted access to the controversial and predominantly black South West African Police Counterinsurgency Unit-the notorious Koevoet.
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Honorus Crux by At van Wyk
Descriptions of the various actions that resulted in the awarding of the Honorus Crux (South Africas highest award for bravery) to the recipients.


Like the Wind: The story of the South African Army by Siegfried Stander
From the musketeers and pikemen who accompanied Jan van Riebeeck when he arrived to garrison the Cape of Good Hope to the troopies who stand guard on their country's borders: this book tells the story of South Afica's fighting men and women over the centuries.


Africa’s Super Power by Paul Moorcraft
If you listen to the catcalls of the United Nations you would think that the Republic of South Africa is on its knees. It is not. In African terms the Republic is a superpower. And in the world outside this troubled continent, economic wealth has endowed the besieged state with a vital significance.
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South African Special Forces by Osprey Publishing
This volume details the uniforms and organization of South Africa's special forces, which have been fighting an almost continuous war against external and internal enemies since the 1960s.
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The Devils are Among Us: The war for Namibia by Denis Herbstein and John Evenson
Nearly 20 years after the UN declared its occupation of Namibia ilegal, the South African government finally agreed to withdraw from the territory. This book is the first to look at the story behind this withdrawal.
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South African Armed Forces by Helmoed-Romer Helmoed
South Africa's armed forces are the most powerful and effective in sub-Saharan Africa. They have also been an important actor in the various developments in southern Africa over the past two decades. Despite this, relatively little is known about how they function, or about the defence policy that governs their employment.
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Ragged War: The story of unconventional and counter-revolutionary warfare by Leroy Thompson
This book examines the development and origins of Guerrilla and unconventional warfare. Among the first recorded examples are the Scythians 'hit and run' tactics against the Persians and Romans, and Hannibals counter to their operations - the use of independent light infantry units - remains one of the best tactics to this day. This study reviews the most effective tactics, the importance of intelligence, the weaponry used, and analyses the training of three elite special warfare units.
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South African Arms & Armour by Helmoed-Romer Helmoed
A concise guide to armaments of the South African Army, Navy and Air Force.
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Our South African Army Today by Bernard Marks
A survey of the South African army and its various units at the height of the Bush War in northern Namibia.
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Buried in the Sky by Rick Andrew
Set both in the present and in the dust-laden reaches of Angola in 1976, Buried in the sky is an album of stories about men and women and war. To the strains of the music of Bob Dylan and in long periods of boredom and inactivity, South Africa's soldiers tried to make sense of a war they could not see. The author, himself a conscript at that time, allows his comrades to tell their stories. We get to know Manie Dippenaar, whose hunting trip threatened to turn into an international incident; Private Smith, the boy from the Bluff who had love and hate tattooed on his knuckles and chose a novel way to roast a chicken as his means of revenge on a bad tempered major; Morphine Sister, who handled a gun like a mamba; and Spek, the surfer-boy who dreamed only of catching the next big wave.
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A Long Nights Damage: Working for the Apartheid State by Col. Eugene de Kock as told to Jeremy Gordin
On 30 April 1993 Colonel Eugene de Kock was discharged from the South African Police ahead of further investigations into his activities as head of the Security Police's section C1 at the notorious Vlakplaas Farm north of Pretoria. By then the ruling National Party was engaged in a massive damage control exercise. Many officers of the Security Forces as well as De Kock himself were being eyed as possible scapegoats.As it transpired at his trial, De Kock was the government's chief assassin.
But De Kock was not an put-of-control policeman, he was an officer acting under orders. In this book he names the men who gave him orders, what they ordered him to do and for what reasons. He lifts the curtain on a heinous period of South African history when the architects of apartheid thought that any means justified their ends.
But Colonel Eugene de Kock is not going to lie down and say nothing. This book lays out in great detail the corruption and moral decadence that pervaded the SADF and the Police. There are still many whose crimes against humanity were just as terrible as his own. Now De Kock tells his story: the one that the politicians and the generals had been hoping would never appear.
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The Other Side of the Story by Maj. Gen Hermann Stadler
This is the submission that was made to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission by The Foundation for Equality Before the Law, a network of former members of the SAP, fronted by the old leadership of the SAP, that has been privately published and marketed as a book.


On South Africa’s Secret Service: An Under Cover Agents Story by Riaan Labuschagne
This is the story of the ruthless intelligence war conducted by South Africa’s
National Intelligence Service during the 1980s and 1990s.
The author, Riaan Labuschagne, was a senior intelligence officer who
operated widely as an undercover field officer.
He tells a story of lies and half truths, secrecy and stealth,
evasion and denials, deceits and manipulations. It had little to do with the
Calvinistic ethics of Christian nationalism that had provided the guidelines
for his upbringing as a young Afrikaner.
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A Diplomat’s Story: Apartheid and Beyond, 1969-1998 by Pieter Wolvaardt
Pieter Wolvaardt joined the Department of Foreign Affairs in 1969 as a raw Afrikaans youngster. He served his apprenticeship at home in the Union Building and as a junior diplomat in Brazil from 1970 to 1973. He went through the thick of the apartheid days when the world ignored South Africa and most countries cut ties, officially defending the indefensible but all the time knowing that apartheid was wrong. They were interesting times.
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Bloodsong!: First hand accounts of a modern private army in action, Angola 1993-1995 by Jim Hooper
Executive Outcomes was the title of the most successful mercenary army of modern times. In Angola, Sierra Leone and Papua New Guinea, it stepped in while the UN revealed itself as little more than a debating society. But the motives of this mercenary army are open to question: was it more interested in protecting Sierria Leone's diamond mines than the people caught up in a savage guerrilla war? What was the reality of a private war in the closing part of the twentieth century? This is the story of Executive Outcomes' operations in Angola.
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Midlands by Johnny Steinberg
Midlands is a microcosm of the more than a 1 000 white farmers and their families who have been murdered in South Africa since the fall of apartheid in 1994. It brings clarity to a situation that has long been misunderstood. And it is all true.
Winner of the Sunday Times Alan Paton Award. Impressive understanding of the rural problems, and troubles in many parts of Southern Africa. Highlights the frustrations, betrayals and expectations of people today and how they cope with the tensions and murders. Perhaps a turning point in South Africa, where Midlands reaches the half way point in many peoples lives and future? Compulsive reading.
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Secrets and Lies: Wouter Basson and South Africa’s chemical and biological warfare program by Chandre Gould and Marlene Burger
Secrets and Lies covers a South African trial of major international significance. The trial of Dr Wouter Basson, the head of apartheid South Africa’s chemical and biological (CBW) programme, has generated intense interest, both inside South Africa and beyond.
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Plague Wars: a true story of biological warfare by Jeff Goldberg and Tom Mangold
This book covers biological weapons across the world, but has a large section covering the South Africa’s Project Coast headed up by Dr Wouter Basson.
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ChaosAD
06-06-2006, 05:05 PM
Very impressive collection!!

I have 9 of these and and steadily building my collection...are you personally keeping Galago book afloat?! p-) Which ones set you back SAR1K?

melbeach
06-06-2006, 06:06 PM
You gotta be kidding me.. the author's name is Peter Stiff!?

On the other hand, very interesting material & thanks for posting it

ElHombre
06-06-2006, 06:49 PM
You gotta be kidding me.. the author's name is Peter Stiff!?

'peter o'toole' was taken.

nice collection of books. i'll have to keep an eye out for them the next time i have money to spare.

playtym
06-07-2006, 04:57 AM
'peter o'toole' was taken.

nice collection of books. i'll have to keep an eye out for them the next time i have money to spare.

I find the availability of spare money NEVER coincides with the discovery of cool books. You only find a book you REALLY want when you don’t have money to buy it. I still kick myself over ‘Chopper Boys.’ I kept on putting off buying it when it came out, always saying ‘I'll get it at the end of next month,’ and eventually ended up ordering a second hand one off the net from a book dealer in California years later for a LOT more.

playtym
06-07-2006, 06:23 AM
Very impressive collection!!

I have 9 of these and and steadily building my collection...are you personally keeping Galago book afloat?! p-) Which ones set you back SAR1K?

Forged in Battle and They Live by the Sword by Col. Jan Breytenbach. Save yourself a lot of money though and just buy the book Buffalo Soldiers as it starts off covering everything those two have in them, and then carries on from where They live by the Sword left off.

Gladiatore
06-07-2006, 07:46 AM
I was certainly one of those who made this request. I had taken a list of titles on my trip to South Africa, together with a couple of actual books, but lost both with my luggage.
Thanks mate and should you have any documentary or movie titles to suggest please do not hesitate.

jetsetter
06-07-2006, 08:41 PM
Thanks man. I am going to have to find a few of these.

Flagg
06-08-2006, 03:41 AM
Have read 2 of those listed.....keen to have a look at the others.

Between the conflicts in SOuthern Africa and the first Iran/Iran war I reckon they're the two most underreported conflicts or series of conflicts in the 20th century.

MR1
06-29-2006, 01:47 AM
Also more of Al J Venters Books such as "detente Vorsters Africa Friendship and Frustration" as well as his latest "Wardogs" of all of these books mentioned Jim Hoopers brilliant book Koevoet is likely the best I have ever read, I am indeed a proud owner of one signed by many of the people mentioned in the text

I would love to see the next chapter in the tale of SA fighting men being both the impact they have made in Iraq and Afghanistan as contractors as well as the current SANDF deployments in the DRC and Sudan also another chapter as yet unwritten was thestabilization of Lesotho

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MR1
06-29-2006, 01:50 AM
I was certainly one of those who made this request. I had taken a list of titles on my trip to South Africa, together with a couple of actual books, but lost both with my luggage.
Thanks mate and should you have any documentary or movie titles to suggest please do not hesitate.

Again Al J Venter documentary "the Last Domino"

Creepy
07-03-2007, 02:18 AM
I love going through the old posts and finding something you were really looking for!

Ironsight06
07-08-2007, 08:46 AM
One to add:
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=P122X~ser=MAA~per=6

Nice small book, very readable, some good illustrations and pics. Great intro if you want to know a bit more regarding the Border War.

Kingswat
07-09-2007, 09:51 PM
Thanks for the list of books, some of these look decent.

RFSU
07-15-2007, 07:06 AM
Interesting selection of books there. If i may ask, what do you make of the book Devil Incarnate: A Depraved Mercenary's Lifelong Swathe of Destruction? About Athol Visser. Is this guy just full of sh!t?

Masai
07-16-2007, 04:02 AM
excellent post Playtym...

i have silent war, by Peter Stiff, need to take 2 days leave and read it

Ubar
07-17-2007, 07:33 AM
'peter o'toole' was taken..

'Chris Cocks' wrote a book about the Rhodesian war also :D


Does anyone know of any books which have the other side of these border wars? Specifically about East German involvement in Namibia?

Ironsight06
07-17-2007, 07:55 AM
Does anyone know of any books which have the other side of these border wars? Specifically about East German involvement in Namibia?
Plenty of books from Cuba, I think I have seen one from East Germany.

Kingswat
07-19-2007, 12:03 AM
I went to one of the bookstores to see if they would order some of these for me, the long haired hippy SOB says "we don't bring in books that promote violence and murder"


wtf.

Flagg
07-19-2007, 02:22 AM
I went to one of the bookstores to see if they would order some of these for me, the long haired hippy SOB says "we don't bring in books that promote violence and murder"


wtf.

I would contact the OWNER, not manager of the store.

If it's a chain store like Borders or B & N, I'd contact every single person I could from district manager up to and including CEO.

I would carefully explain the fact that I was attempting to place a multiple book order with INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE, when INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE refused to take my money.

Since it is not likely that INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE has the authority/latitude from the company to turn away profitable business, you wanted to share with management the fact that INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE is acting in a manner more akin to a non-profit organization by his refusal of business when he insulted a paying customer and refused to take your money.

I'd copy everyone and their mother via email, and hand deliver a copy in an envelope marked "Store Manager".

Calm, cool, collected complaints always receive prompt responses from companies that value customers.

If someone in my business refused to accept a customer's money based on their individual moral principals I'd compliment them for putting my money where their mouth is and fire them on the spot because of it.

wilhelm
07-19-2007, 05:54 AM
I would contact the OWNER, not manager of the store.

If it's a chain store like Borders or B & N, I'd contact every single person I could from district manager up to and including CEO.

I would carefully explain the fact that I was attempting to place a multiple book order with INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE, when INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE refused to take my money.

Since it is not likely that INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE has the authority/latitude from the company to turn away profitable business, you wanted to share with management the fact that INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE is acting in a manner more akin to a non-profit organization by his refusal of business when he insulted a paying customer and refused to take your money.

I'd copy everyone and their mother via email, and hand deliver a copy in an envelope marked "Store Manager".

Calm, cool, collected complaints always receive prompt responses from companies that value customers.

If someone in my business refused to accept a customer's money based on their individual moral principals I'd compliment them for putting my money where their mouth is and fire them on the spot because of it.

Well said.:)

Kingswat
07-19-2007, 07:53 PM
I would contact the OWNER, not manager of the store.

If it's a chain store like Borders or B & N, I'd contact every single person I could from district manager up to and including CEO.

I would carefully explain the fact that I was attempting to place a multiple book order with INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE, when INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE refused to take my money.

Since it is not likely that INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE has the authority/latitude from the company to turn away profitable business, you wanted to share with management the fact that INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE is acting in a manner more akin to a non-profit organization by his refusal of business when he insulted a paying customer and refused to take your money.

I'd copy everyone and their mother via email, and hand deliver a copy in an envelope marked "Store Manager".

Calm, cool, collected complaints always receive prompt responses from companies that value customers.

If someone in my business refused to accept a customer's money based on their individual moral principals I'd compliment them for putting my money where their mouth is and fire them on the spot because of it.

Well, problem was delt with, 3 books on the way.


It was a Chapters store.

Ubar
07-24-2007, 01:29 PM
I managed to get Buffalo Soldiers at the Beltring show :D

thirteen
08-17-2007, 05:41 AM
Good list yes, I would just like to add that, if you could only have 2 or 3 books from the list, I would start with the newer ones, one Koevoet:
The Covert War: Koevoet Operations in Namibia, 1979-1989 by Peter Stiff
and one of the books on 32 Bat:
- The Buffalo Soldiers: Story of South Africa’s 32-Battalion, 1975-1993 by Col. Jan Breytenbach
or
- 32 Battalion: The inside story of South Africa’s elite fighting unit by Piet Nortje

Not light reading, but the extent and importance of 32 Bat's involvement is never fully appreciated and as a bonus they provide a general background and description of the conflict. The Koevoet book might be a little too specialised (and their ops limited to Namibia), but I think it goes to the heart of the entire conflict (stopping "insurgents") and their novel methods and tactics is a fine case study of creative COIN operations. They had an effect far beyond their size and this is perhaps the first and only book to fully and accurately detail this forgotten chapter of a forgotten war.

vulcanxm603
11-03-2007, 02:36 PM
I would contact the OWNER, not manager of the store.

If it's a chain store like Borders or B & N, I'd contact every single person I could from district manager up to and including CEO.

I would carefully explain the fact that I was attempting to place a multiple book order with INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE, when INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE refused to take my money.

Since it is not likely that INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE has the authority/latitude from the company to turn away profitable business, you wanted to share with management the fact that INSERT HIPPY NAME HERE is acting in a manner more akin to a non-profit organization by his refusal of business when he insulted a paying customer and refused to take your money.

I'd copy everyone and their mother via email, and hand deliver a copy in an envelope marked "Store Manager".

Calm, cool, collected complaints always receive prompt responses from companies that value customers.

If someone in my business refused to accept a customer's money based on their individual moral principals I'd compliment them for putting my money where their mouth is and fire them on the spot because of it.


It is easier going via the internet to places like Galago books, Amazon books or doing a search and contacting the publishers direct. I have got most of my books this way and found it to be cheaper than going to a reputable book dealer.
List of books I have at present and still growing:

Rhodesian/Southern African
Author
The Rhodesian African Rifles
Christopher Owen
The Zambezi Salient (conflict in Southern Africa)
A.J. Venter
Contact
John Lovett
Badges and Insignia of the Rhodesian Security Forces 1890-1980
A J Arniel
Air Force 81
No Author
Contact 2
Paul L Moorecraft
Aircraft of the South African Air Force
Herman Potgieter & William Steenkamp
The Elite, the story of the Rhodesian Special Air Service
Barbara Cole
See You In November
Peter Stiff
Taming the Landmine
Peter Stiff
South African War Machine
Helmoed-Romer Heitman
War in the Air - Rhodesian Air Force 1935-1980
Dudley Cowderoy & Roy C Nesbit
Fireforce, one mans war in the Rhodesian Light Infantry
Chris Cocks
Koevoet!
Jim Hooper
Rhodesian Air Force, a brief history 1947-1980 (revised edition)
W A Brent
Sabotage and Torture
Barbara Cole
South Africa's Border War 1966-1989
Willem Steenkamp
A Portrait of Military Aviation in South Africa
Ron Belling
Modern African Wars 3 (South West Africa)
Helmoed-Romer Hietman & Paul Hannon
South African Special Forces
Robert Pitta, Jeff Fannell & Simon McCouaig
Flying Boat (RAF 262 & SAAF 35 Sqns history)
Ivan Spring
More Than GAME
Herman Potgieter & Linden Birns
North American "Harvard" (SAAF Service)
Ivan Spring & Reg Rivers
Winged Springboks 1934 to 1996 (SAA history)
Ivan Spring
On Wings Of Eagles, South Africa's Military Aviation History
Dave Becker
Yellow Wings, the Joint Air Training Scheme of WW 2
Capt. Dave Becker
Canberra in Southern Africa Service
Michael Hamence & Winston Brent
Pamwe Chete, the legend of the Selous Scouts
Lt Col R F Reid Daly
Survival course
Chris Cocks
The Silent War, South African Recce Operations 1969-1994 (1)
Peter Stiff
Fireforce (second edition)
Chris Cocks
Vlamgat (SAAF Mirage F1 story)
Dick Lord
A Pride Of Eagles, the definitive history of the RhAF 1920-1980
Beryl Salt
Modern African Wars 1 (Rhodesia 1965-80)
Peter Abbott & Philip Botham
Warfare By Other Means, South Africa in the 1980's & 1990's (2)
Peter Stiff
One Commando
Dick Gledhill
Dead Leaves
Dan Wylie
The Buffalo Soldiers
Col Jan Breytenbach
The Rain Goddess
Peter Stiff
32 Battalion
Piet Nortje
The Covert War, Koevoet Operations Namibia 1979-1989 (3)
Peter Stiff
SQUADRONS of the South African Air Force & their aircraft 1920 - 2005
Steven McLean
Assignment Selous Scouts
Jim Parker
Never Quite a Soldier
David Lemon



Diary of Andre Dennison (O/C RAR, The Saints (RLI history) & Stck Leader (RLI) on order. Ordered 2 days ago. Delivery approx 1 week.

Johnny_H
11-04-2007, 11:43 AM
I'd like to add a title to the list.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2689/51aywrxa0hlss500yw5.jpg

Very good book although it ends on a terribly sad note, Harry McCallion is a Scot who gos from the Para's, to Recce in South Africa which is a good part of the book. Then he gos into the SAS and the Royal Ulster Constabulary. This was during the time period of the 70's through late 80's if i recall correctly.

Great book imo, was a very interesting read.

Ubar
11-05-2007, 07:08 AM
Sounds a very good read, Any chance of posting the actual title as text for those of us who cannot view images from their place of work? ;)

edit- a quick google suggests it is 'Killing Zone' ?

Rudolph
12-06-2007, 02:37 AM
A very damaging review (http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/archives_roll/2003_10-12/book/book_hemenway_cuba.html) of Conflicting Missions: Havana, Washington, and Africa, 1959-1976, by Piero Gleijeses; reviewed by Margaret Hemenway:

Piero Gleijeses' Conflicting Missions attempts to provide new insights into Cuba's exploits in Africa through the author's unique, although partial, access to previously closed Cuban "archives." The author, a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, seeks to chronicle Havana's role in Algeria, Central Africa, Zaire, the Congo, and Angola, the site of the largest Cuban expeditionary force. It fails to provide an objective examination of Castro's intervention in Africa because of selective sourcing, prejudicial terminology, and glaring omissions of critical information, sadly rendering the book a flawed, pro-Castro, revisionist history. Typical of the left-wing bias of this volume are references to "corrupt, pro-American" regimes, CIA "puppets," "thuggish" white mercenaries, and subjective commentary unsubstantiated by evidence (e.g. the aid Cuba gave Algeria had nothing to do with the conflict between East and West).
Among the glaring omissions in this volume is the role white Portuguese communists played in the Angolan revolution. For example, Rosie Coutinho (the "Red Admiral"), named High Commissioner in Angola by the Portuguese government, is never mentioned as such; yet after the Caetano regime was overthrown in Lisbon, he facilitated critical weapons shipments to the Soviet and Cuban-backed Angolan communist faction, the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA). Gleijeses refers frequently to Cuban doctors and nurses, echoing Cuban propaganda in Africa. The "medical mission" was, of course, a mere sideshow compared to the guerrillas, military training, and Russian weapons that Havana dispatched to its African comrades. (Cuban official and Central Committee member, Jorge Risquet, interviewed by the author, admits the Cubans were training Rhodesian, Namibian, and South African guerrillas in the "largest school of this kind in the world.") The author refers frequently to Cuban "scholarships" given to foreign students without identifying this "education" as political indoctrination in Marxist ideology. Gleijeses describes Havana's medical practitioners in Africa as Cuba's "peace corps," thus invoking the same name given to the American entity and giving the false impression that Cubans volunteered to serve in humanitarian missions in war-torn Third World countries.
While white "mercenaries" are labeled "thugs," Gleijeses is oblivious to Cubans behaving in Africa as if they were neocolonialists, engaging in corruption and smuggling of silver, ivory, and diamonds. General Ochoa, a hero of the Angolan war, was executed by Castro on smuggling charges stemming from his Angolan service. Buried in a footnote, the author mentions that, "members of the medical mission had volunteered to fight" in Algeria, begging the question of whether the doctors were actually soldiers or were deployed in a dual capacity.
One of Gleijeses' recurrent themes is his effort to claim Castro acted in Africa often without consulting the Soviet Union, yet this theory is undercut by his own occasional divulgence: that Castro agreed not to ship Russian weapons to a third party without Soviet concurrence, that Cuba lacked an indigenous arms industry, and that Russian weaponry made a difference in post-colonial combat in Africa, particularly with the export of sophisticated weaponry like surface to air missiles. It therefore, becomes difficult to postulate that Castro could successfully operate independently of Moscow. The author acknowledges Russian weapons could only be used by the Cubans, but immediately following, sees no Soviet hand of influence. In yet another example, Gleijeses claims that Cuba's support for armed struggle generated friction with the U. S. S. R., and in the paragraph, notes that Moscow and Beijing were major sources of aid to the Simba (Congolese) guerrillas.
The author admits that Castro used black Cubans in his African interventions because they blended into the native populations. But he fails to question whether using such a disproportionate number of them (7,000-11,000 of whom died in the Angolan war) was a racist policy.
African non-Marxists are predictably described in negative terms. The National Front for the Liberation of Angola 's Holden Roberto is labeled a "corrupt leader dancing to the tune of a foreign master." Zaire's Joseph Mobutu is described as a "child of the CIA" and the National Union for the Total Independence of Angola's (UNITA) Jonas Savimbi is accused of being a Maoist and collaborating with the Portuguese and the South Africans. It is an exaggeration to depict Mobutu as a U. S. puppet, given his celebration of Ho Chi Minh's victory in Vietnam and his support for the PLO and the communist North Koreans. Gleijese fails to point out any major policy divergences between Castro and the Kremlin, and most of his evidence of splits or rifts between them are superficial or anecdotal.
Anti-American African leaders or communists are never referred to as Soviet clients, puppets, or collaborators. Gleijese neglects to mention that the revolutionary, Marxist-Leninist MPLA's leader, Agostinho Neto, had been a member of the pro-Moscow Portuguese communist party since the 1950s and that many of his movement's cadres had received both ideological and military training in the Soviet Union and Cuba. There is no reference to Neto's mysterious death in a Moscow hospital while he was making peace overtures indirectly with other African leaders to rival Jonas Savimbi. Possible Kremlin complicity in his death goes unmentioned.
The massive corruption, party purges, and liquidation of political, ethnic, and religious opposition so characteristic of the author's "eclectic" Angolan Marxists regime is absent from this substantively slanted work. Even the most egregious example of their misrule, the slaughter of tens of thousands of opposition party candidates and their supporters following the first (and seriously flawed U. N.-supervised) national elections in 1992, is nowhere to be found in these pages. In the author's account of the post-election civil war--which he blames on the loser Savimbi--he fails to report that the required presidential run-off election between Savimbi and MPLA chief Dos Santos was never held. (Due to the MPLA's attacks on UNITA outposts in Luanda under a white flag of truce at the onset of the nation-wide bloodletting that ended electoral negotiations between the warring parties.)
Gleijeses' portrayal of U. S. officials is noteworthy in that he properly exposes their apparent ignorance of or indifference to Cuba's involvement in Africa. Viewing Africa as only marginal to American strategic interests, despite its plentiful oil deposits and mineral wealth, they failed to realize that a Cuban victory in Angola would provoke militancy and radicalism in South Africa, the economic engine of sub-Saharan Africa. Foggy Bottom naively believed that Castro would do nothing to jeopardize normalization talks with Washington. (Future U. S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, Joseph Biden, admitted that he couldn't distinguish Angola from Mongolia!)
The author's ideological prejudices are clearly evident in his treatment of the Angolan civil war. He labels South Africa's incursion into Angola an "invasion," yet refers to Castro's expeditionary force as composed of "technical advisors," "specialists," or "volunteers." His contention that Havana's presence in Angola (beginning in March, 1975) was minor prior to Pretoria's intervention on 23 October 1975, conflict with previously published accounts that estimate the number of Soviet and Cuban "advisors" reaching 7,000 by the time of the South African incursion. (In August of that year, the Vietnam Heroico docked in Luanda with several hundred mostly black Cubans on board.) Gleijeses ignores the security threat that Pretoria perceived from the presence of Soviet "advisors,' weapons, air support, and thousands of communist Cuban troops near their borders assisting the Marxist insurgency. Relying heavily on interviews with Cuban government officials and dissident CIA officers, as well as Cuban and East German archival materials, the author made no apparent effort to consult South African sources.
Gleijeses' seeming lack of understanding of the nature of totalitarian regimes and his benign, even enthusiastic, portrayal of Cuba's African adventures is disturbing, but even more alarming is that his radical views on Africa typify many of America's African studies departments, and are being foisted on a generation of innocent young Americans without the intellectual background to dissect and refute such propaganda. His selective use of references and sources which bolster his natural biases undermine his work. The result is yet another politically correct, pro-Castro, revisionist history.

Margaret Hemenway, a graduate of both UNC-Chapel Hill and Georgetown University, handled defense and foreign policy matters for three years as senior legislative assistant for former U. S. Senator Bob Smith. She also served as a professional staff member for the U. S. House of Representatives' Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security. Her articles have appeared in numerous publications, including The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times, The Christian Science Monitor, and Human Events. As a Senate staffer in 1985, she worked successfully to repeal the Clark Amendment, thus paving the way for the Reagan Administration's covert aid to the Angolan opposition movement, UNITA.

Rudolph
12-06-2007, 02:45 AM
I also recently finished former Minister of Defence Magnus Malan's autobiography My Lewe Saam Met Die SA Weermag (My Life With The South African Defence Force), 2006.

Excellent book I thought. It starts off as a biography, and then launches into the finer points of politics in Africa and internationally. It has a fascinating chapter on our arms development, with lots of photos of our original designs. It also casts a lot of doubt on the ANC and Mandela, and Magnus makes a point of not insulting anyone direcly, but stating every fact with references. Footnotes are there to follow for everyone. He also gives us insight into the fighting in Namibia and Angola, with a lot of interesting facts for the Lomba river-fights, and other details.

And according to him SA beat the Cubans, especially during the large conflicts at the end. Now if only we could get Russian sources, from the generals who guided the final attacks, to confirm their outcomes. He lists a lot of facts and view-points as it is, but I'd like to see what Cuba says after Castro's death. Especially from Cuban veterans who obviously can't speak until he's passed away.

Near the end of the Angola chapters he quotes, Fred Bridgland, War for Africa:

"(T)he Cuban failure in Angola added to the collapse of the Marxist-Leninist creed in Eastern Europe, left Castro much exposed ... The real pinch was due in January 1991 when the Soviet Union planned to begin cutting off all trade subsidies to socialist states, such as Cuba ... Some 400,000 Cuban troops were rotated through Angola over a period of 15 years, bolstering Castro's pet project. Every Cuban family in a population of only 10 million must have been affected directly or indirectly by the war ... In Cuba now the veterans of Angola are commonly referred to as the generation of disenchantment. They regard themselves in much the same way as the veterans of Vietnam did in the USA in the 1970's. The sad thing for Castro is that while everyone else seemed to have learnt lessons from the Angolan War and the extraordinary historic events of 1989 in Eastern Europe ... He tried to dress up political, economic and military failures in Angola as glorious triumphs.”

sooibrand
12-11-2007, 10:57 AM
Good list yes, I would just like to add that, if you could only have 2 or 3 books from the list, I would start with the newer ones, one Koevoet:
The Covert War: Koevoet Operations in Namibia, 1979-1989 by Peter Stiff
and one of the books on 32 Bat:
- The Buffalo Soldiers: Story of South Africa’s 32-Battalion, 1975-1993 by Col. Jan Breytenbach
or
- 32 Battalion: The inside story of South Africa’s elite fighting unit by Piet Nortje

Not light reading, but the extent and importance of 32 Bat's involvement is never fully appreciated and as a bonus they provide a general background and description of the conflict. The Koevoet book might be a little too specialised (and their ops limited to Namibia), but I think it goes to the heart of the entire conflict (stopping "insurgents") and their novel methods and tactics is a fine case study of creative COIN operations. They had an effect far beyond their size and this is perhaps the first and only book to fully and accurately detail this forgotten chapter of a forgotten war.
I found "the covert war: Koevoet operations" very boring to read. Of all of Peter Stiff's work his first was the better one, South African Recce operations, this was a good read. All of his other stuff is really dragging along. But beacause that was all that was available after 1994 I got them all. I am not 1005 convinced that the info he conveys is historicaly correct especially his "warfare by other means" that one really sucked.

sooibrand
12-11-2007, 10:58 AM
Can somebody please get hold of a Cuban and slap him silly enough until he realises that all the false propaganda about how the Cubans kicked the SADF out of Angola is a myth.

sooibrand
12-11-2007, 11:07 AM
Conflicting missions by Pierro Gleijeses is another fantastically boring book. It only get interesting towards the end when he finally gets to the border war. What is interesting to me is his view on what really happened in 1987 with operation modular and hooper. Keeping in mind that this author and professor is Cuban so surely he he got brainwashed into believing Castro buit he is also a university lecturer in the states providing him with all the true facts in conflict with his patriotic side towards Cuba. I thought I had to get an outsiders view on this cinflict and that is why I decided to buy it. Strangely enough, this author still maintains that Cuba forced SA out of Angola and to the negotiating table. But all that rhetoric about Che this and Che that.... bloody hell, this guy realy is the biggest loser hero ever. And more than two thirds of the book is about him. This bored seven shades of **** out of me.

sooibrand
12-11-2007, 11:21 AM
Wow, this is the absolute best description that can be given to this book. Excellent work.

exT70
12-14-2007, 02:34 AM
Wow, this is the absolute best description that can be given to this book. Excellent work.

Bought the book for the same reasons as mentioned hereinabove. Planned holliday read now spoilt. Looking for someone else's viewpoint.
Some more of the same:

Some interesting reading, I just received:

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Africa's largest land battle since World War II............ a glimpse of the battle.........


The Last Phase October to December 1987

After the battle was over mopping up operations continued on both sides. South African observers watched in disgust as Fapla soldiers shot many of their own wounded where they lay because they were unable to evacuate them or give them medical care. At the end of the day the South African commander, Deon Ferreira, sent a message to HQ that their mission had been accomplished and that the Angolan/Cuban advance on Mavinga had been stopped. His new orders were to clear all remnants of the enemy forces from the eastern side of the River Cuito and establish positions from which they would be able to prevent any further crossings into Unita territory. No mention was made of capturing Cuito Cuanavale itself. The SADF did, however, want to be in a position from which they could shell the airfield and neutralise the base as a starting point for a new offensive. Cuito allowed the Cuban Migs easy access to Unita territory and if it was destroyed the Migs would have to move 175 kilometres to the west.

The G5 artillery groups were moved up and commenced bombarding Cuito. The SAAF sent in 4 Mirages as a decoy and while the Migs were being rolled out of their reinforced concrete hangars the G-5s pounded the runway with shells. Within a short space of time the airfield was destroyed and the remaining Migs were forced to move back to Menongue.

Stinger missiles were also used to good effect by Unita and two Cuban pilots were taken prisoner after their Mig had been shot down.

The Cuban/Faplan offensive had failed. Later the Cubans tried to save face and boost their demoralized troops by claiming loudly that they had won the "Battle for Cuito Cuanavale", which they claimed to have successfully defended against all South African attacks!

Throughout the campaign the South Africans, mindful of the fact that they were involved in an undeclared war and without allies in the west, refrained from making any public statements on the progress of the war. This gave the Cubans and Angolans the advantage in the propaganda war. The SADF could not reveal that it only had a small combat force of less than 3000 lightly-armed troops in Angola, as this would have revealed their weaknesses to the enemy. The superior training and tactics of the SADF had convinced the Cubans and Angolans that they were facing a large, heavily-armed force.

As Chester Crocker later wrote:

"In early October the Soviet-Fapla offensive was smashed at the Lomba River near Mavinga. It turned into a headlong retreat over the 120 miles back to the primary launching point at Cuito Cuanavale. In some of the bloodiest battles of the entire civil war, a combined force of some 8,000 Unita fighters and 4,000 SADF troops destroyed one Fapla brigade and mauled several others out of a total Fapla force of some 18,000 engaged in the three-pronged offensive. Estimates of Fapla losses ranged upward of 4,000 killed and wounded. This offensive had been a Soviet conception from start to finish. Senior Soviet officers played a central role in its execution. Over a thousand Soviet advisers were assigned to Angola in 1987 to help with Moscow's largest logistical effort to date in Angola: roughly $1.5 billion in military hardware was delivered that year. Huge quantities of Soviet equipment were destroyed or fell into Unita and SADF hands when Fapla broke into a disorganized retreat... The 1987 military campaign represented a stunning humiliation for the Soviet Union, its arms and its strategy. It would take Fapla a year, or maybe two, to recover and regroup. Moreover the Angolan military disaster threatened to go from bad to worse. As of mid-November, the Unita/SADF force had destroyed the Cuito Cuanavale airfield and pinned down thousands of Fapla's best remaining units clinging onto the town's defensive perimeters." (2)

The results of the campaign up to April 1988 were 4,785 killed on the Cuban/Faplan side, with 94 tanks and hundreds of combat vehicles destroyed, against 31 South Africans killed in action, 3 tanks destroyed (SADF tanks entered the war after the Lomba River campaign) and 11 SADF armoured cars and troop carriers lost. A total of 9 Migs were destroyed and only 1 SAAF Mirage shot down.

If the Cubans had taken the trouble to examine South Africa's military history, they might perhaps have paused for thought at the fact that the forefathers of these troops, the Boers, had held the full might of the British Empire at bay during the Boer War, when 450,000 British troops took three years to subdue a force of little more than 20,000 Boers.

szr
12-15-2007, 12:25 PM
That's one helluva list you put together, playtym. This thread is great! Santa wants my list this weekend and this is just the kind of thread I'm looking for.

Rudolph
12-15-2007, 12:39 PM
Dont' forget the new book by Eeben Barlow, founder of Executive Outcomes (EO):

http://www.privatemilitary.org/executive_outcomes_eeben_barlow.html

vulcanxm603
12-15-2007, 12:58 PM
'Chris Cocks' wrote a book about the Rhodesian war also :D


Does anyone know of any books which have the other side of these border wars? Specifically about East German involvement in Namibia?

Chris Cocks has two books out. These are Fireforce and Survival Course. They cover his time whilst in the RLI and afterwards as a Police Reservist.

exT70
12-18-2007, 03:10 AM
Dont' forget the new book by Eeben Barlow, founder of Executive Outcomes (EO):

http://www.privatemilitary.org/executive_outcomes_eeben_barlow.html

Got that last week. Reading over Christmas.

Need help however. Maybe someone here can help.
"Bloodsong". By Jim Hooper. Is this just one book, or more than one volume describing different theatres of EO's involvement?

Rudolph
01-05-2008, 08:14 PM
Again Al J Venter documentary "the Last Domino"

The documentary is on Youtube.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=warchild81).

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I paged through Heitman's The South African War Machine (1985) again yesterday, great resource and pictorial if you can get it...

exT70
01-09-2008, 03:46 AM
The documentary is on Youtube.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=warchild81).

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I paged through Heitman's The South African War Machine (1985) again yesterday, great resource and pictorial if you can get it...

It pops up on bid or buy every now or then

The Saint
01-13-2008, 06:36 AM
Hello, I've just joined the board, after seeing all the interesting stuff displayed and discussed here.

I've been interested by the Southern African conflicts for a number of year and start to get a small library of the subject, though far from all the books mentioned here.

I think I can add André Diedericks's "Journey Without Boundaries", the story of a Recce officer in the 1970s and 1980s.

http://www.justdone.co.za/catalog/images/Journey_Cover_Front.jpg

http://www.justdone.co.za/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/61/products_id/141

If ever you want to purchase the book, be sure to order the SA version which has colour photographs, rather than the international version which has B&W photos (I've myself made the mistake :roll:).

Cheers
Eric

exT70
01-13-2008, 03:48 PM
Got hold of new publication which promises to be interesting.
In both English and Afrikaans.
Grensoorlog/Border War 1966-1989, A Special edition of the Journal for Contemporary History, Volume 31 Number 3, December 2006
Special Edition 182 of 200
University of the Free State
Was a present, so no idea how it is obtained.
Only covers SADF side of the war.

vulcanxm603
01-13-2008, 03:57 PM
Got hold of new publication which promises to be interesting.
In both English and Afrikaans.
Grensoorlog/Border War 1966-1989, A Special edition of the Journal for Contemporary History, Volume 31 Number 3, December 2006
Special Edition 182 of 200
University of the Free State
Was a present, so no idea how it is obtained.
Only covers SADF side of the war.


Is this the book by Williem Steenkamp (SOUTH AFRICA'S BORDER WAR 1966 - 1989)??. If so I got one in 1989 and another copy last year on Ebay. They sometimes come up on auction.woot
The book is about 286 pages in all. Cover displayed below.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii170/vulcan2007/Pict0003-1.jpg

exT70
01-14-2008, 02:06 AM
Is this the book by Williem Steenkamp (SOUTH AFRICA'S BORDER WAR 1966 - 1989)??. If so I got one in 1989 and another copy last year on Ebay. They sometimes come up on auction.woot
The book is about 286 pages in all. Cover displayed below.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii170/vulcan2007/Pict0003-1.jpg

NO!
This one is new (Dec '06) and consist of a large number of articles written by various "knowledgable" people.
Willem did however write one of the articles (on the reserves) in the book.

vulcanxm603
01-14-2008, 01:07 PM
NO!
This one is new (Dec '06) and consist of a large number of articles written by various "knowledgable" people.
Willem did however write one of the articles (on the reserves) in the book.


Will have to keep a lookout for that.

Rudolph
03-06-2008, 10:53 AM
To all the Dutch readers, there is a wonderful Afrikaans book available in Dutch translation called: Wereld zonder grenzen (http://www.bronzengids.nl/boek/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=99&products_id=325). It's a fictional piece written by one of the first special forces operators, and it's daaamn good. Very psychological, but very taught, and quite a short book. It covers life on the farm, training, missions, home life, - all in connected short stories about the same character.

http://users.iafrica.com/j/jr/jrp/grenzen_cover.bmp

ALEXANDER STRACHAN
Wereld zonder grenzen / 'n Wêreld sonder grense
Zuid Afrika, Roman
Vertaald uit het Zuid-Afrikaans door Rolf Wolfswinkel
Ingenaaid, 128 blz., 13,50
ISBN 90-6265-511-4
Eerste druk 2003

Wereld zonder grenzen wordt beschouwd als een klassiek werk over de Zuid-Afrikaanse grensoorlog. Deze buiten Zuid-Afrika vrijwel onbekend gebleven grensoorlogen (met name met Angola en Mozambique) duurden vanaf de jaren zestig tot in de jaren tachtig en vormden een last van het verleden waarmee de Zuid-Afrikanen tot op dit moment geconfronteerd worden, te vergelijken met het Viëtnamtrauma voor de Amerikanen. De journalistiek in Zuid-Afrika leed in die jaren nog onder de strenge censuur. De informerende functie van de pers werd overgenomen door Afrikaanse schrijvers die onder het mom van fictie meer nieuws over deze verzwegen oorlogen naar buiten brachten dan waartoe de kranten en de televisie in staat waren.

In een reeks van korte fragmenten roept Alexander Strachan met een minimum aan woorden een beklemmend gevoel op en vertelt hij een genadeloos oorlogsverhaal over de traumatische effecten van de oorlog op een macho en toch sensitieve, anonieme jonge soldaat.
v Wereld zonder grenzen was in 1984 het debuut van Alexander Strachan en verscheen het eerst in het Afrikaans. Het boek beleefde herdruk op herdruk en werd in 1985 bekroond met de Eugène Maraisprijs en in 1986 onder dezelfde titel verfilmd. Vele vertalingen verschenen (maar tot nu toe NIET in het Nederlands!) waarbij recensenten verwezen naar "Heart of Darkness" en "Apocalypse Now". Deze Nederlandse vertaling verschijnt in deze uitgave samen met de originele Afrikaanse tekst waardoor de verwantschap tussen beide talen nog eens benadrukt wordt.

MOOIE WOORDEN:

"In uiterst sober proza schetst Strachan in zijn debuut de ervaringen van een anonieme jonge man, die is opgegroeid in de macho-omgeving van een Afrikaner boerderij en een commando-opleiding doorloopt. 'Stil en gevaarlijk', noemt hij zichzelf als hij met verlof terugkeert naar huis. Eenmaal thuis kan hij niet meer deelnemen aan het leven op de boerderij. Dit boekje doet, kort als het is, niet onder voor REMARQUE'S "Van het westelijk front geen nieuws" of voor die prachtnovelle van W.F. HERMANS "Uit de mist van het schimmenrijk". De ontreddering van de oorlog, de volkomen waanzin, die mensen verandert in beesten en hen op zichzelf terugwerpt, is even beklemmend beschreven." - uit: Trouw

"Er bestaat een merkwaardige gewoonte om oorlogen te romantiseren. Maar er zijn ook oorlogen die onwerkelijk blijven, waaruit geen helden zijn voortgekomen en waarover weinig verhalen worden verteld. De jarenlange Angolees-Namibische grensoorlog is er daar een van. Wie wel een poging heeft gedaan om die oorlog op papier te zetten is de Zuid-Afrikaanse schrijver Alexander Strachan. Hij weet dat met Wereld zonder grenzen overtuigend te doen. Heldendom wordt in dit verhaal niet beschreven. De grenzen die overschreden worden, zijn dan ook eerder de morele en psychische grenzen dan de fysieke landsgrens." - uit: NRC Handelsblad

"Zo goed geschreven dat je het in één adem uitleest. Zou breed onder de aandacht gebracht moeten worden vanwege de inhoudelijke, morele en stilistische kwaliteiten." - drs. Cees van der Pluijm

--

I also wrote a little review (http://www.litnet.co.za/cgi-bin/giga.cgi?cmd=cause_dir_news_item&cause_id=1270&news_id=20590&cat_id=160). Although I might have made one or two assumptions I don't exactly feel the same about today.

QBA
04-11-2008, 09:46 AM
Hi

First let me start by saying thanks for starting this threat, that I luckily found while doing a google search for books about the Cuban involvement in Africa. I joined the forum right the way because base on the knowledge that participants in this thread seem to have, I think you guys probably know more about this conflict than most people.

I’m trying to find specific books about the conflict and I hope you guys don’t mind me asking for the names of some titles.

I’m particularly interested in titles that may contain details of missions and firefights of those who bravely fought against the communist backed forces in Africa, but specifically the stories of those who fought against the Cuban forces. As well, I’m interested in any book that may mention corruption, crimes and atrocities that could have been committed by the Cubans troops while there, especially books that may describe specific guerrilla tactics or regular battles against the Cubans.

I suffered a lot under the Cuban totalitarian Regimen, and when we were little my father was taken away from us, sent to fight on those battlefields. Thank god that years later he returned alive.

All I know about the Cuban intervention in Africa only from the communist propaganda of the Cuban dictatorship. I want to try to learn the truth about the Cuban campaign, because according to Castro every battle was won by the Cubans, including cuito canavales that for what I read in a short internet article, the facts may contradict Castro's version. As well I want to try to understand the feelings and experiences of those who fought against them, because I have a lot of admiration and respect for those people that stood up and fought against those forces trying to impose a communist totalitarian regime with the backing of Russia, China and Cuba.

These are some book I just bought over the net, with the hope that I may find some information about the battle against the Cubans.

Jonas Savimbi: A key to Africa by Fred Bridgland

32 Battalion: The inside story of South Africa’s elite fighting unit by Piet Nortje

At Thy Call – We Did Not Falter by Clive Holt

WAR DOG: Fighting Other People's Wars - The Modern Mercenary in Combat (http://www.amazon.com/WAR-DOG-Fighting-Peoples-Mercenary/dp/1932033092/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207916012&sr=8-3) by Al Venter

Thanks a lot, and I hope you guys can help me out with the name of some more tittles.

Alex

exT70
04-11-2008, 11:46 AM
Hi


These are some book I just bought over the net, with the hope that I may find some information about the battle against the Cubans.

Jonas Savimbi: A key to Africa by Fred Bridgland

32 Battalion: The inside story of South Africa’s elite fighting unit by Piet Nortje

At Thy Call – We Did Not Falter by Clive Holt

WAR DOG: Fighting Other People's Wars - The Modern Mercenary in Combat (http://www.amazon.com/WAR-DOG-Fighting-Peoples-Mercenary/dp/1932033092/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207916012&sr=8-3) by Al Venter

Thanks a lot, and I hope you guys can help me out with the name of some more tittles.

Alex

Try getting hold of Fred Bridgland's War for Africa and Helmud Heitman's War in Angola for the latter stages of the war.
You will however struggle to get a well ballanced view written long enough after the war that emotions and political bias does not play a role. The earlier battles and scraps were less consentrated, so its more difficult to get a total view on them.
Also keep in mind that most of the war was fought by proxy. Mostly the South Africans and Cubans did not battle each other directly, and both sides mostly tried their best to avoid such contact.

eechoss
04-11-2008, 11:59 AM
Thats just great, thanks alot. I cant wait to start reading them, Ive always been interested in South Africa and South african related items.

QBA
04-11-2008, 12:06 PM
Thanks exT70,

I will look in to those two tittles.

Another thing I wanted to mention is that I'm trying to stay away from books that may have been written by a lefty sympathizer and apologist of the Castro regime. I have been reading some articles on the net and a lot of time you get the same romantic terminologies like "internationalist" when referring to the cuban troops in Africa, the same propaganda that have been put out there by the Cuban regime.

Any more titles by some one else? I want to buy a few more good books about the conflict

QBA
04-12-2008, 09:17 AM
I just finished ordering a used copy of "The War for Africa: Twelve Months That Transformed a Continent by Fred Bridgland" and "War in Angola The Final South African Phase by Helmoed-Romer Heitman". They are not cheap lol.

Any more titles, specially about the guerrilla war aganst the Cuban? I want to buy a few more good books about the conflict

Thanks :)

Rudolph
04-12-2008, 10:16 AM
Have you read this post yet about the '75-'76 missions?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=126199

QBA
04-12-2008, 12:25 PM
Thanks a lot Rudolph,

I took a quick glance and looks like a factually correct study in the Cuban invasion of Angola. I copied and pasted all the documents on a word file for later print and reading :)

exT70
04-14-2008, 05:01 AM
Thanks a lot Rudolph,

I took a quick glance and looks like a factually correct study in the Cuban invasion of Angola. I copied and pasted all the documents on a word file for later print and reading :)
Being invited through the front door can hardly be called an "invasion" by the Cubans, but then again money, diamonds, oil, politics and the cold war lead to strange scenarios and bedfellows. Take the US involvement. Whilst the US and Cuba are giving each other political hell in the international arena, Cuba is supporting the Angolan government government in its fight against Unita (both materially and physically) and the US is supplying Unita, the US Oil interests in Cabinda are being guarded and protected by the selfsame Cubans.

QBA
04-17-2008, 07:12 AM
You are right exT70, Invasion is the wrong choice of word. I guess intervention would be a more appropriate one :)

QBA
04-17-2008, 07:12 AM
Any other suggestions of titles, which may contain battles description against the Cuban army? :)

TGVorster
04-17-2008, 03:14 PM
Not realy but we are working on it. Keep an eye peeled.

Lt. James Anderson
04-17-2008, 03:36 PM
Not SA, but Rhodesia ... I just bought The Elite - Rhodesian SAS pictorial ...

QBA
05-10-2008, 12:20 PM
Hi

Just want to say thanks again to you guys for all the help, and give you an update of my current search for books on the African conflict. After reading a few articles on the net about the battles of Cuito Cuanavales and other conflicts where Cubans were involved, I noticed that some of the books you guys posted in this thread were being used as reference, so I decided to buy those and now my book list goes like this:

32 Battalion: The Inside Story of South Africa's Elite Fighting Unit by Piet Nortje

At Thy Call We Did Not Falter by Clive Holt

Borderstrike! South Africa into Angola 1975 - 1980 by Willem Steenkamp

Days of the Generals: The untold story of South Africa’s apartheid era military Generals by Hilton Hamann

Congo Warriors by Mike Hoare

Congo Mercenary by Mike Hoare

Jonas Savimbi: A Key to Africa by Fred Bridgland

The war for Africa: Twelve months that transformed a continent by Fred Bridgland

The Buffalo Soldiers by Jan Breytenbach

The Covert War by Peter Stiff

The Cuban Intervention in Angola, 1965-1991: From Che Guevara to Cuito Cuanavale by Edward George

The Silent War by Peter Stiff

War in Angola The Final South African Phase by Helmoed-Romer Heitman

They all cost more that what I was hoping to pay. These are two I have been thinking to buy but I'm having trouble convincing my self of paying around 100 bucks for each:

Forged in Battle by Col. Jan Breytenbach

They Live by the Sword: 32 ‘Buffalo’ Battalion – South Africas Foreign Legion by Col. Jan Breytenbach

IsraDani
05-10-2008, 05:46 PM
wow,I was searching for a list like that since years.Thanks you guys.Im going to order something with Amazon.

QBA
05-10-2008, 06:18 PM
Guys all these 3 books are on the same price range. I may buy one or two out of the 3. Can you guys list these books on an order where the best is number one and the less good is number 3? Base on these requirements: Battle description and conflicts where Cubans may have been involved even if they are not mention.

Parabat! by Matthew Paul, Continent Ablaze: Insurgency wars in Africa, 1960 to the present by John Turner and Journey Without Boundaries by André Diedericks

thanks again

Alex

prion
05-10-2008, 08:29 PM
I would really advise all readers concerning the post-colonial wars in southern africa to have a look at reading another book by Peter Stiff ( with Lt.Col. Ron Reid Daly ) called "Selous Scouts Top Secret War".

It does not cover the Angolan war but does give a very informative insight in the military and political situation in the area seeing that after Zim independance plenty of Rhodesia mil personnel did join the then SADF.

Read it if you can get it

QBA
05-13-2008, 05:25 PM
I just finished ordering

Parabat! by Matthew Paul and Continent Ablaze: Insurgency wars in Africa, 1960 to the present by John Turner

I came to this forum looking to buy 1 or 2 books on the subject of the Cubans fighting in Africa, and I found so many good books that I end up buying 15 books, and because most of them are out of print and coming from south africa, they are by far the more expensive books on my personal library

Cuba will be free of the totalitarian regime soon and as a consequence, a new, accurate and balanced sets of books, will be coming out of the island. This books will be correcting all the historical manipulation of the Castro's regime on his African's adventures. The world will be exposed to the truth behind his so called military "victories", as well as his real intentions, that in my personal opinion I think it was a combinations of charging the Angola government millions for it's Cuban military (mercenary) service, Making millions by protecting the facilities of the American Gulf Oil company and finally trying to spread communist totalitarians regimes across the continent.

I'm sure that when I finish reading these books I will have alot more to add to that.


Thanks again

Alex

prion
05-13-2008, 05:50 PM
I just finished ordering

Parabat! by Matthew Paul and Continent Ablaze: Insurgency wars in Africa, 1960 to the present by John Turner

I came to this forum looking to buy 1 or 2 books on the subject of the Cubans fighting in Africa, and I found so many good books that I end up buying 15 books, and because most of them are out of print and coming from south africa, they are by far the more expensive books on my personal library

Cuba will be free of the totalitarian regime soon and as a consequence, a new, accurate and balanced sets of books, will be coming out of the island. This books will be correcting all the historical manipulation of the Castro's regime on his African's adventures. The world will be exposed to the truth behind his so called military "victories", as well as his real intentions, that in my personal opinion I think it was a combinations of charging the Angola government millions for it's Cuban military (mercenary) service, Making millions by protecting the facilities of the American Gulf Oil company and finally trying to spread communist totalitarians regimes across the continent.

I'm sure that when I finish reading these books I will have alot more to add to that.


Thanks again

Alex


Cuba like the rest of Revolutionary Africa are still susceptible to the archaic propaganda machine.

And I agree that free information will eventually will make people think , and the best - start asking questions.

NoDoze-29
05-15-2008, 12:10 AM
I really liked Koevoet!, and I enjoyed Pamwe Chete as well, but I was reading them specifically to learn about their tracking and counterinsurgency techniques. Both could drag, admittedly, but they were worth reading imho.

TheWatcher
06-01-2008, 05:59 AM
I found "the covert war: Koevoet operations" very boring to read. Of all of Peter Stiff's work his first was the better one, South African Recce operations, this was a good read. All of his other stuff is really dragging along. But beacause that was all that was available after 1994 I got them all. I am not 1005 convinced that the info he conveys is historicaly correct especially his "warfare by other means" that one really sucked.


And that is putting it mildly ! The book is a work of fiction.


Peter Stiff is a liar.


He either wrote "Warfare By Other Means" while high on boom, or he just decided that facts get in the way of making big bucks.

He has no compunction about publishing downright lies and way-up-in-the-air-junior-spaceman fantasy when describing details of Operations about which he knows absolutely vokoll, and giving the full names of Operators involved in them while at the same time letting the true identity of his source cower behind his skirts.


"Brian," (the cover name Stiff uses for the source,) had been a Rhodesian policeman - he had never been an Operator.
His knowledge of military operations in general and SF in particular is very limited.

Look at it logically.
A story is written about a South African Special Forces operation.
The unsubstantiated information is obtained solely from a former Rhodesian policeman who was not a part of the Operation nor ever a South African Special Forces Operator.
This is tabloid journalism at it's worst.

Stiff embellishes "Brian's" preposterous tales and is both dismissive and vindictive when describing people he has never met.
His denigration of a well-planned SF Op and the SASF Operators and offrs involved makes one wonder for whom he is actually working - someone political or just good old Mammon ?

At a point where I didn't think my estimation of the author could fall further, he even stoops to ridicule men who are compromised deep within enemy territory, and regards several hundred Ks of E&E as a joke.


To underline the fact that the whole book is a work of fiction worthy of Tolkien, the fantasy duo of Stiff & "Brian" claim that the former Operators in Chikurubi - the most high profile prisoners in Zimbabwe, who had been declared the most dangerous enemies of the State and that the Zim authorities considered to be so dangerous that they were locked in maximum security - were transported from Chikurubi to Harare in a lone truck with only one guard armed with - wait for it, you'll love this - one Martini-Henry rifle !
As a (real) Operator has said, even the Harry Potter stories are far more credible.


To anyone reading the book, please be aware that Stiff and "Brian" both consider you to have the imagination and comprehension of a small child and are laughing their way to the bank - at your expense.

TGVorster
06-01-2008, 12:05 PM
At the risk of getting into a mud slinging match let me throw this in the ring. Stiff was booted out of Speskop because of all the **** he was causing. Because his clearance was yanked he went off and wrote the fiction called The Silent War.

QBA
06-01-2008, 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by sooibrand
I am not 1005 convinced that the info he conveys is historicaly correct
Originally Posted by TGVorster
Stiff was booted out of Speskop because of all the **** he was causing. Because his clearance was yanked he went off and wrote the fiction called The Silent War.

Originally Posted by TheWatcher
And that is putting it mildly ! The book is a work of fiction.
Peter Stiff is a liar.

He has no compunction about publishing downright lies and way-up-in-the-air-junior-spaceman fantasy when describing details of Operations about which he knows absolutely vokoll

"Brian," (the cover name Stiff uses for the source,) had been a Rhodesian policeman - he had never been an Operator.
His knowledge of military operations in general and SF in particular is very limited.

Stiff embellishes "Brian's" preposterous tales and is both dismissive and vindictive when describing people he has never met

Damn, A little to late for me to learn this info, I paid big bucks already for two of Petter Stiff books "The Silent War: South African Recce operations, 1969-1994" & "The Covert War: Koevoet Operations in Namibia, 1979-1989"

So this guy is writing these books out of a single source? Some guy called Brian? wtf?

Haven't have the chance to read them yet, but if more people confirm this information about this guy writing fiction, I will sell both books on eBay.

Could other people with knowledge of this, elaborate into the fact that this Petter Stiff guy could be pulling these special forces missions and war stories out of a figment his imagination?

TGVorster
06-01-2008, 03:08 PM
Up to 85 Silent War is pretty accurate after that utter bull**** with a few facts added in which check out.

QBA
06-02-2008, 10:36 PM
Hi

Any one here familiar with this book?

Bushman soldiers: Their Alpha and Omega by Ian S Uys

I read that this book cover 20 years of the bushman fighting

Does this book cover detailed fighting against the MPLA and the Cubans in Angola as well?

Thanks

Alex

baboon6
06-04-2008, 07:52 PM
There is a new book out by Jan Breytenbach, called Eagle Strike, about the Cassinga operation. Here are more details. Before anyone asks I haven't read it yet.


http://www.sainfantry.co.za/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?118.post

QBA
06-05-2008, 12:03 AM
Thanks baboon6, I just read the details of the book and I placed the order :)

I don't get why a brand new 2nd edition that just came out goes for 70.99 american dollars?

I understand that on a hard to find out of print book

QBA
06-06-2008, 11:05 PM
Guys, now I'm really done with buying books about the subject, I think I got enough to be well informed and to be reading for a while.

Thanks a lot for all the help I got out of this thread

Here are the books I have bought about the subject:

32 Battalion: The Inside Story of South Africa's Elite Fighting Unit by Piet Nortje

At Thy Call We Did Not Falter by Clive Holt

Borderstrike! South Africa into Angola 1975 - 1980 by Willem Steenkamp

Bushman soldiers: Their Alpha and Omega by Ian S Uys

Congo Warriors by Mike Hoare

Congo Mercenary by Mike Hoare

Continent Ablaze: Insurgency wars in Africa, 1960 to the present by John Turner

Days of the Generals: The untold story of South Africa’s apartheid era military Generals by Hilton Hamann

Eagle Strike by Jan Breytenbach

Jonas Savimbi: A Key to Africa by Fred Bridgland

Journey Without Boundaries: The Operational Life and Experiences of a Sa Special Forces Small by Andre Diedericks

Parabat! by Matthew Paul

The war for Africa: Twelve months that transformed a continent by Fred Bridgland

The Buffalo Soldiers by Jan Breytenbach

The Covert War by Peter Stiff

The Cuban Intervention in Angola, 1965-1991: From Che Guevara to Cuito Cuanavale by Edward George

The Silent War by Peter Stiff

South African War Machine by Helmoed-Roemer Heitman

War in Angola The Final South African Phase by Helmoed-Romer Heitman

We Fear Naught But God by Paul Els

White soldiers in Black Africa: Here is an eye-witness report of the battles fought by Mike Hoare and his men in the Congo by Hans Germani

QBA
06-10-2008, 11:06 PM
Hi

After expending way to much time trying to find this I think I will be better off asking for your help

I need help finding the site where I downloaded this image from, after clicking in a link on this site.

Let me explain my self:

My dilemma is that this image is part of an article that was published in "Soldier of Fortune" magazine and now I want to buy this particular issue but I can't because I need the month and the year of this particular edition.

After I downloaded the pic to my PC, I renamed the image and In the process I overwrite de original name of the file, that had the date of when the magazine was published.

So if some has seen this image before in this or another military forum, please let me know if you remember where was at, so I can find the date of when this magazine was published.

Thanks a lot

Alex
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=51467&d=1213149955

rhino
06-11-2008, 01:03 AM
red ex showing

QBA
06-11-2008, 09:13 AM
red ex showing?

QBA
06-11-2008, 03:14 PM
Why the pic is not showing anymore?

rhino
06-11-2008, 06:57 PM
use imageshack.us or photobucket to host a pic, then copy and past it to the mpnet

1eyedfatman
06-13-2008, 01:17 AM
Eagle Strike - Colonel Jan Breytenbach Written by the highest decorated soldier in the South African Defense Force and author of several top class military books. Founder of top South African elite army units - the SA Special Forces (Recces), 32 Battalion, 44 Parachute Brigade, SA Guerrilla School, and the SA Pathfinders (The Philistines).
This is not only an autobiography but also a comprehensive journal of one of the greatest airborne assaults ever mounted in Africa. Colonel Jan Breytenbach planned, jumped in and led the paratroopers into the Battle of Cassinga in Angola with total commitment, superb strategy and leadership ability that has made him legendary in military circles worldwide. The book is lavishly illustrated with some 60 colour photographs, detailed map overlays and to crown it all, both the full Fit Chute lists as well as Colonel Breytenbach's original 20 page handwritten battle orders that he wrote at De Brug on 28 April 1978! There are numerous appendices that should further assist historians and students of military history.
Manie Grove Publishing, 2008. ISBN 9780620406147. 640 pages, 60 colour photos. Two editions available - Standard & autographed Limited editions
Standard Edition
Limited Edition - Limited signed and numbered leatherbound collectors edition, with slipcase (250 copies only). Strictly 1st come, 1st serve basis. VERY FEW COPIES LEFT!

Pre-Order info:
http://www.booksofzimbabwe.com/store3/erol.html

goodbooks
07-07-2008, 01:38 PM
The Battle for Cassinga

http://www.goodbooks.co.za/products/books/EagleStrikefeatured.jpg

Hi All

I am fortunate enough to offer the new title authored by Jan Breytenbach titled, " Eagle Strike, The controversial airborne assault of Cassinga 1978".

THIS TITLE IS IN STOCK AND READY TO SHIP.

Do you want to know more about this legendry battle...

"This is the story of an audacious, airborne assault on 4 May 1978 on a SWAPO fortified base containing its military headquarters, logistical support, reserves and training facilities.
The SADF assault was supported by a very strong airstrike by bombers and fighters as well as by airtransport to drop the paratroopers into battle in one of the major post world war Para drops.
250kms deep behind enemy lines and thus, out of necessity, the deployment of a veritable swarm of helicopters to extract the Paratroopers back to safety. This required intensive combined planning and slick execution of the whole intricate operation through a joint HQ deployment in the field.
Unfortunately the subsequent uproar in the international media, based on allegations that this assault was a brutal attack on a refugee camp, did much to detract from the incredible victory the SADF had claimed for the Paratroopers and the Air Force.
Was it a refugee camp as claimed by the third world and the communist block, a SWAPO HQ and strategic military establishment as claimed by the RSA government and the SADF, or a mixture of both as claimed by the Truth And Reconciliation Commission? Were the casualties mostly combatants or were they innocent civilians?

This is the only personal account ever written by somebody on the SADF side who, "was actually there" and who was the commander of the Paratroopers. It also brings to light much more than this brief outline, especially the dangerous nature of the whole enterprise though personal experiences, by Paratroopers and Air Crews, and how and why it nearly became the most disastrous undertaking of the whole "Bush War" era through uncalled for meddling by an outsider who should not have been there."

This book is a must for any military collector, enthusiast and armed conflict historian.

It will not be made available and sold through any mainstream bookshops found in South Africa.

If you are interested in purchasing a copy of the book, please email me
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If you are interested in purchasing other book titles that are either new or out of print on the SADF and the war in Angola please view my website.
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If you have a want list you are also welcome to drop me an email and I will find the books for you.

Regards
Marc

QBA
07-14-2008, 02:50 PM
Have any one here read this book "My life with the SA defense Forces by Malan, Magnus."? I'm planning to buy it but I want to make sure it covers what I'm looking for first.

I read the author was involve in the planing of some of the Angola's military campaigns. Does the author cover these campaigns on his book and give details of how the South Africans defeat the MPLA-SWAPO in many of those campaigns?

Thanks

Alex

Rudolph
07-14-2008, 06:22 PM
Have any one here read this book "My life with the SA defense Forces by Malan, Magnus."? I'm planning to buy it but I want to make sure it covers what I'm looking for first.

I read the author was involve in the planing of some of the Angola's military campaigns. Does the author cover these campaigns on his book and give details of how the South Africans defeat the MPLA-SWAPO in many of those campaigns?

Thanks

Alex

Dude, Magnus Malan was on senior level what Jan Breytenbach was on the ground. Whatever you're looking for, it's worth the read. This guy was the SADF!

QBA
07-14-2008, 06:59 PM
Thanks Rudolph, I will be buying his book then :)

goodbooks
08-02-2008, 02:58 PM
VLAMGAT
Authored By Brig. Dick Lord
Long out of Print!!!
To be re-published in October 2008

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Vlamgat is the gripping story of the South African jet fighter pilots in action during the tense years of the bush war. Their experiences are authentically told with accuracy, humour and pathos - by an author who writes from the cockpit.
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wilhelm
08-04-2008, 10:32 AM
That Vlamgat is a very good book.

Rudolph
08-04-2008, 11:13 AM
My friend always raves about it. It contains the story of the Cuban pilot that defected, Mig-in hand, as well.

QBA
08-04-2008, 03:03 PM
I guess I will be buying a copy then :)

goodbooks
08-04-2008, 05:09 PM
From Fledgling to Eagle
Authored By Brig. Dick Lord
Coming soon - the new definitive history of the South African Airforce (SAAF) during the border war!!
To be published in October 2008
http://www.goodbooks.co.za/products/books/FromFledglingtoeaglefeatured.jpg The South African Air Force during the Border War

Written by eminent airforce veteran, Brigadier General Dick Lord, this is a work not to be missed. "From Fledgling to Eagle" charts the effectiveness of the SAAF as a combat unit at a time when its size was limited and most of its equipment outdated. It's a thumping read with a foreward from none other than Jan Breytenbach, the SADF's Parabat legend and founder of the Recce's.

Dick Lord, who trained as a pilot with the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm and and also at San Diego's Top Gun school, masterminded a number of brilliant evolutions including the introduction of night flying operations for Impala jets and the use of Puma helicopters to infiltrate special forces.

Read of these innovations and more in this profusely illustrated book which is to be published in October.
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08-04-2008, 05:14 PM
Parabat
Authored By Mathew Paul
Long out of Print!!!
New revised and updated edition
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All our copies are signed by the author.

This book offers the reader a personalised history of the adventures of those men in the South African Defence Force who used to be known as the Parabats. Their experiences are recorded in three historical "war epochs": the border wars, the township wars and finally the military intervention in Lesotho.
This book is a must for any Parabat enthusiast.
Soft Cover, New, 261 Pages, illustrated. $50
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wilhelm
08-05-2008, 06:03 AM
I gotta get that new book of Dick Lord's "Fledgling to Eagle" as I have thoroughly enjoyed reading "Vlamgat".

goodbooks
08-08-2008, 03:34 PM
How South Africa Built Six Atom Bombs
And then Abandoned its Nuclear Weapons Program
Authored By AL J. Venter
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How South Africa Built Six Atom Bombs is the definitive account of how a maverick government was able to secretly develop and test atom bombs. South Africa – then still dominated by Pretoria ’ s apartheid-orientated regime.

That objective was achieved within six years – or roughly half the time it took Pakistan to test its first nuclear weapon. More salient, it did so with only a fraction of the number of scientists, technicians and specialists involved in other nuclear programs, such as those of India, Pakistan and North Korea: there were never more than a half-dozen nuclear physicists involved in the actual weaponization of the South African bombs.

The same analogy holds for the medium range intercontinental missile program that South Africa launched with strong Israeli help. Before it was abruptly terminated by Washington, Pretoria managed to launch at least one of its RSA-3 missiles into the South Indian Ocean: it landed within a few hundred metres of its designated target. With Israeli involvement – this cooperation that dated back to the early 1970s - there was a plan in the works for a satellite launch (illustration page 118).

Al Venter argues that if a small country like South Africa could achieve so much – while using only the limited human resources drawn from its five or six million whites - then it is axiomatic that other countries – or radical political groups - will ultimately be able to do the same. Al-Qaeda has already signalled its intention in a series of web-based nuclear weapons lectures, with examples of this trend (pages 12 and 13).

It is also significant that Dr Mohammed AlBaradei, head of Vienna ’ s International Atomic Energy Agency, said in 2007 that it was of grave concern that there were currently more than 30 countries involved in nuclear matters, quite a few of them clandestinely.

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sa_bushwar
08-09-2008, 08:53 AM
For more SA Bushwar stuff visit my website at: www.geocities.com/sa_bushwar

cuba
08-12-2008, 08:45 PM
May someone help me with this problem?

I want to get the mail of William Steemkamp,WHO WROTE "Border War"

I want to ask him about the zairian troops in angola.

Perhaps someone could help me.

exT70
08-15-2008, 08:13 AM
May someone help me with this problem?

I want to get the mail of William Steemkamp,WHO WROTE "Border War"

I want to ask him about the zairian troops in angola.

Perhaps someone could help me.

Send your question by pm to me, and I will forward it to him. Might take some time, but he usually is quite keep to help.

goodbooks
09-07-2008, 03:04 AM
SPECIAL FORCES
"Jam Stealer"
Authored By Peet Coetzee

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Peet served in the South African Defence Force for 33 years, commencing with border duties in 1968 till SADF ended its role in Namibia in 1994. Read about the first ever to be told intelligence support roles that Photo Interpreters played in SADF operations such as Savannah, Sceptic, Askari, Kropduif (Eheke) and Reindeer (Cassinga). In one way or other, Peet had insight in the majority of the cross border operations that SADF conducted in those days. The highlight of his military career was his serving 12 years in the Intelligence Support group for South African Special Forces Recces. His specialised Photo Interpretation service was specifically directed in aiding the Recce's Small Team Operators planning their highly dangerous clandestine operations in enemy territories

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cuba
09-09-2008, 12:56 AM
Cuito Cuanavale.


A major South African newspaper called the battle of Tchipa 'a crushing humiliation.’ The South Africans had two choices: begin talks or surrender.


http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/48547

I think Apartheid was a evil system,Cuito Cuanavale shows the world that the white people was not invencible.

Of course the communism is the worst system

Rudolph
09-09-2008, 02:19 AM
Please keep your posts regarding Cuito Cuanavale in one thread, you are looking like a communist propaganda tool.

wilhelm
09-09-2008, 07:27 AM
Please keep your posts regarding Cuito Cuanavale in one thread, you are looking like a communist propaganda tool.

Now you see what I warned you about in the other thread.:-(

To everybody else, please do not respond to any provacations or attempts to derail by Cuba.

QBA
09-09-2008, 11:19 AM
cuba, I'm guessing that because of your name, you are Cuban like my self right?

I'm guessing as well that you left the island like I did, Most of us have that left the Castro's totalitarian regimen are now living on a democracy and I take that you are one of those as well.

Well my fellow country man if you do, please take full advantage of the unrestricted access to buy literature that have been published about the Cubans in Angola before you open your mouth, many of us need years of reading to be able to undo all the brain washing we were subjected to, while living on the island. You need to do some serious reading before regurgitating the communist propaganda version of the battle of Cuito Cuanavales, of course the ruling South African government and the Castro regime versions are the same, they were fighting on the same side at the time, plus you have the useful idiots that take everything coming from the Cuban goverment as facts and post articles on the Internet.

Here are two titles for you to read about the conflict that weren't written by a South African, so you don't say they are bias.

“La aventura Africana De Fidel Castro por Enrique Ros”
Reputable Cuban historian in exile and give you a well documented research of how Castro send many of our country man to die for reasons that has nothing to do with liberating the Angolan people, because the Portuguese had left already, He also goes into how the Cubans troops served as mercenaries no as “internationalist”. He elaborate into the battle of Cuito Cuanavales as well and why it wasn't a victory like Castro made you to believe.

“The Cuban Intervention in Angola, 1965-1991: From Che Guevara to Cuito Cuanavale by Edward George”
This is a very balance book, The author did a 8 years research, where he interviews with participants from each side, covering South Africa, UK, USA and Cuba, he actually did many trips to Cuba and spent long times talking with Angola's veterans around Cuba. he also used books published in Cuba as well as in South Africa and the rest of the world for reference.

He dismissed a lot of inflated casualties numbers coming from both sides, The author expel the myth of the reasoning of the why of Castro's intervention in Angola, and exposed it as nothing more than a desperate at