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2Sheds_Jackson
06-12-2006, 12:04 PM
Team gave up climb after finding peer who had been given up for dead

NEW YORK - A Mount Everest guide said Monday that his team never hesitated to rescue another climber who was near death, even though it meant abandoning their own ascent.
"We just immediately sprung into action ... you have to move quickly up there. If you mess around and start thinking about what to do he could already be gone," Dan Mazur told NBC's "Today" show in an interview along with the man he rescued, Australian Lincoln Hall.
Not only did Mazur not scale the world's highest peak from the northern side, he also failed to get his two paying clients to the top.

The rescue came just days after dozens of climbers left a British climber to die near the summit.

Mazur, his two clients and a Sherpa guide were just two hours from the 29,035-foot peak on the morning of May 26 when they came across Hall.
Hall, who had been on a Russian-led expedition, made it to the summit a day earlier but grew gravely ill from oxygen deprivation during his descent.
His two Sherpa guides tried to help him down, but were eventually forced to leave him in order to save themselves, and Hall was then declared dead.

But the next day Hall was found sitting on a ledge, having spent the night alone and with no provisions or sleeping bag. He said he didn't remember much except for "some hallucinations I had about being somewhere else."
Mazur, who scaled Everest once before, said shortly after the rescue that "I was shocked to see a guy without gloves, hat, oxygen bottles or sleeping bag at sunrise at 28,200 feet height, just sitting up there."
Mazur said Hall's first words to him were: "I imagine you are surprised to see me here."

"At first I didn't realize it was a person, I just saw the color of his jacket ... I thought it might be a tent," Mazur said Monday. "The last thing on my mind is to think that there might be a person sitting on top of this ridge, it was kind of like a knife-edge ridge, with a small, two-by-two foot space.

"Lincoln was kind of perched on that," Mazur added. "He could have fallen off one side about 8,000 feet, or off the other side about 6,000 feet. He wasn't tied to any rope, he was just sitting up there holding his hands up in the air, he didn't have any gloves on, no hat, his jacket was off."
Mazur, a guide based in Olympia, Wash., said he asked Hall how he had gotten there, to which Hall replied: "I don't know."
Mazur's team spent the next four hours pulling Hall away from the slopes, giving him bottled oxygen, food and liquids.

They also radioed the base camp to tell Hall's surprised team he was still alive.

While Mazur's team was busy assisting Hall, two Italian climbers walked past them toward the summit. When asked to help, they claimed they did not understand English. On his return to base camp, Mazur discovered they did.

"I don't know why they didn't want to stop to help," Mazur said shortly after the rescue. "I hope when I am there, in that state, and someone passes me ... I hope it is someone like me."

Hall's rescue came just days after David Sharp, 34, died May 15, about 1,000 feet into his descent from the summit. Dozens of people walked right past him, unwilling to risk their own ascents.
By the time some Sherpas showed up to help get Hall back to base camp, Mazur, his clients and his own Sherpa were too exhausted to attempt the peak. They had no choice but to return without completing their climb.
But Mazur had no regrets.

"Oh yeah, it was worth it," he said shortly after the rescue. "You can always go back to the summit but you only have one life to live. If we had left the man to die, that would have always been on my mind. ... How could you live with yourself?"

Hall was treated for frostbite to his fingers, thumb and toes, slight pulmonary edema and chest infection.
Hall, who is a hiking guide himself, told "Today" that he won't be going back to Everest. "I'm never going to take that type of risk again," he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13272568/


Unbelievable - twice in as many weeks, climbers have abandoned people to die just so that they can accomplish their all important self-actualization. It's very revealing to see what people will do when they think nobody is watching.

ed316
06-12-2006, 12:08 PM
It's very revealing to see what people will do when they think nobody is watching.

Like masturbation? p-)

There is no "I" in teamwork but there is a "ME" in there. Selfish pricks.

a_very_ex_STAB
06-12-2006, 12:37 PM
Two years ago a friend of a friend of mine was climbing on Everest quite near to the top. An American climber above him fell and landed on him breaking one of his legs. The American was unhurt and just left him there to die as he had a pressing appointment to be the first golfer to tee-off from the summit of Everest :roll:

Fortunately he was able to crawl down far enough to meet a team of British military climbers (Royal Marines I believe) who evacuated him down the mountain to a point where he could be loaded on a yak and taken to a hospital in Tibet.

Laworkerbee
06-12-2006, 03:07 PM
Two years ago a friend of a friend of mine was climbing on Everest quite near to the top. An American climber above him fell and landed on him breaking one of his legs. The American was unhurt and just left him there to die as he had a pressing appointment to be the first golfer to tee-off from the summit of Everest :roll:

Fortunately he was able to crawl down far enough to meet a team of British military climbers (Royal Marines I believe) who evacuated him down the mountain to a point where he could be loaded on a yak and taken to a hospital in Tibet.

That bastard should have been arrested as soon as he got off the mountain, or at least a welcoming party by the Royal Marines :-(

khukuri
06-12-2006, 04:03 PM
some of them have contracts, sponsors and ****. Others are corporates who guide up stupid unexpirienced rich people and theyre sole marketing thing is how many they get up each year compared to competitors. If they dont "deliver" theyll get no customers...

but its scary what they prioritate. The life of a human, personal achievments or fame and glory back home...


Everest becoming an industry have become to much...

Sabre
06-12-2006, 04:12 PM
Climbing mountains is supposed to be about improving your character, pushing your limits and emerging a better person because of it.

How could you live with yourself knowing you left someone to die? This goes beyond conscious decision, this is basic human instinct here. Something is obviously fundamentaly lacking in these individuals.

khukuri
06-12-2006, 04:28 PM
Climbing mountains is supposed to be about improving your character, pushing your limits and emerging a better person because of it.

How could you live with yourself knowing you left someone to die? This goes beyond conscious decision, this is basic human instinct here. Something is obviously fundamentaly lacking in these individuals.

so true...
thats what I meant about Everest becoming to much. The climbing part of it becomes less and less. Its fame and glory...
you can **** a record company manager and become a famous christina aguliera bimbo or make it to everest to attend the same VIP party and have you pic ending about in the stupid tabloid press..

but ofcourse that doesnt apply to everyone.

zad
06-12-2006, 05:46 PM
Around three years ago a crew of "Al filo de lo imposible" --> "to the edge of impossible" a extreme adventure spanish tv program arrived to the Everest base camp just to discover that three argentinian climbers were traped over 6.000 m without chance of return by they own to the base camp, they were there for a week, and no one of the several dozens of expeditions on the base camp tried to do nothing to rescue them, the tv team of climbers with the help of local sherpas had to do the rescue. There must be something rotten in that kind of bastards that can forget their personal goals just to help another human.
Same with two vasque brothers this summer in a Argentinian glacier, two climbers fall down over 50 m and survived, when the two vasque climbers were evacuating one of them out of the mountain, they asked for help to other expedition in the area, and they didnīt help them, this bastards were not in the mountain they were in the area around, and they couldnīt lost a couple of hours of their time to help to carry an injured guy, Later this brothers were awared with a civil medal by Argentinian goverment.

I saw images of the rescue on Everest on a documental of the tv crew, I read about the the two basque brothers in some digital newspapers

TacoDelRio
06-12-2006, 06:00 PM
Climbing mountains is supposed to be about improving your character, pushing your limits and emerging a better person because of it.

How could you live with yourself knowing you left someone to die? This goes beyond conscious decision, this is basic human instinct here. Something is obviously fundamentaly lacking in these individuals.

Interesting stuff happens up there.

I'd kinda expect that behavior on Everest, as being the highest, it's got alot more traffic than other nearby mountains like the other Gasherbrums and crap like that, where there's less traffic.

Amongst other things, I've seen alot of stupid rumors come out of climbing, all this he said she said bullcrap. Things always get twisted around.

My $0.02

TacoDelRio
06-12-2006, 06:04 PM
some of them have contracts, sponsors and ****. Others are corporates who guide up stupid unexpirienced rich people and theyre sole marketing thing is how many they get up each year compared to competitors. If they dont "deliver" theyll get no customers...

but its scary what they prioritate. The life of a human, personal achievments or fame and glory back home...


Everest becoming an industry have become to much...

True, there are some climbing "vendors" out there that have guides and Sherpas guide up folks who just wanna "do it".

I might also add that when you need supplemental SCBA oxygen just to keep going, your mind doesn't always work the same. Seeing a body next to you might not quite register. Kinda hard to explain if you haven't done that kinda stuff. I guess it's a bit like being tired and drunk and doing hard PT....

Laworkerbee
06-12-2006, 06:16 PM
True, there are some climbing "vendors" out there that have guides and Sherpas guide up folks who just wanna "do it".

I might also add that when you need supplemental SCBA oxygen just to keep going, your mind doesn't always work the same. Seeing a body next to you might not quite register. Kinda hard to explain if you haven't done that kinda stuff. I guess it's a bit like being tired and drunk and doing hard PT....

Damned good point I never thought of

MARINO
06-12-2006, 06:17 PM
Unbelievable - twice in as many weeks, climbers have abandoned people to die just so that they can accomplish their all important self-actualization. It's very revealing to see what people will do when they think nobody is watching.
That's what climbing the Everest has become, the mountain spirit is completly lost, it's a real shame.
At leats we still have, military expeditions like the one of royal marines, and Spanish, French, etc....
BTW i also heard that there are some expeditions just to pick all the trash left in the Everest.

TacoDelRio
06-12-2006, 06:22 PM
That's what climbing the everest has become, the mountain spirit is completly lost, it's a real shame.

The spirit isn't gone. Granted we humans have dgone to nearly every spot on earth and taken a dump there, but there's still a real strong sense of adventure, if not being the first human there, then you at least completed somethign you previously didn't think you could do. Sorry if that was poorly worded.

I'm sure another climber here could back me up on the fact that just because the big number of summit elevation is high, doesn't mean that it's the ultimate climb. If you look at base to summit elevation gain, Denali (Mt McKinely in Alaska) has the most at around 17,000ft and change. What's base camp I at Everest? 15,000ft ASL? That's 13,000ft gain. Granted it's at a level where there's less oxygen, but there are alot of factors, like weather and sh*t like that.

The "spirit" of climbing and all that kinda stuff isn't lost. You have to go out there and grab it.

MARINO
06-12-2006, 06:31 PM
The spirit isn't gone. Granted we humans have dgone to nearly every spot on earth and taken a dump there, but there's still a real strong sense of adventure, if not being the first human there, then you at least completed somethign you previously didn't think you could do. Sorry if that was poorly worded.

The "spirit" of climbing and all that kinda stuff isn't lost. You have to go out there and grab it.

I see you don' know what the mountain spirit is.
It's not only to accept the challenge, but also enjoy freedom and nature,
comradeship( even with peple you don't know: left no men behind).
I'm a climber, and i've been in difficult situations up there and fotunately i've always found somebody to help me, as i've always helped other climbers.

TacoDelRio
06-12-2006, 06:49 PM
I see you don' know what the mountain spirit is.
It's not only to accept the challenge, but also enjoy freedom and nature,
comradeship( even with peple you don't know: left no men behind).
I'm a climber, and i've been in difficult situations up there and fotunately i've always found somebody to help me, as i've always helped other climbers.


Hahahah I know what it is, but it would be a waste of time to make an 8 page post on what you get out of it. I agree with you on the good parts of climbing, especially for us city guys who just want to get the hell away from people. :-*$rofl

I don't usually have much comeradeship on my climbs, since I am solo 99.9% of the time, unfortunately.

khukuri
06-12-2006, 07:56 PM
I might also add that when you need supplemental SCBA oxygen just to keep going, your mind doesn't always work the same. Seeing a body next to you might not quite register. Kinda hard to explain if you haven't done that kinda stuff. I guess it's a bit like being tired and drunk and doing hard PT....

yes, its one thing what you do on 7000 m, but some issues were in base camp level.





the cilmbing spirit is not dead, just overshadowed:)

MARINO
06-13-2006, 06:01 AM
I didn't said it is lost, i said it is lost in Eveverst expeditions.
BTW, Skorotsnoy take care is dangerous to go on the wild alone, specially in the mountains.

Clarsachier
06-13-2006, 10:39 AM
I aborted summit attempts, ruining a whole trip because of SAR.

I don't see how anybody could enjoy the experience knowing somebody else needed assistance on the peak.

It's not a friggin rat race, it's a sport and character is a major part of sport.

The problem is that a cadre of unethical 'guides' are taking anybody with the bucks to the summit.