Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin has been killed

[wholagun]

Hamas boss 'killed in air strike'


Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin has been killed in an Israeli air strike, according to witnesses in Gaza.
Israeli helicopter gunships hit Sheikh Yassin's car as he left for a mosque at daybreak, said local residents.

Mosques in the area reportedly announced his death over loudspeakers, as ambulances raced to the scene.

Israel has been carrying out an offensive in the Gaza Strip against Hamas militants since a double suicide bombing in Israel on 14 March.



BBC Front Page

[Marmot1]

Another "great victory" of IDF to kill in airstrike 80+ year old blind elder on wheel-chair... :(

I know that he was spiritual leader but still that is shamefull...


GAZA (*******) - Israeli helicopter gunships fired missiles at Hamas' spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin as he left a mosque before dawn on Monday, killing the Hamas leader and at least two body guards, witnesses said.
A ******* reporter who rushed to the scene after hearing three loud explosions found the blown-up remains of Yassin's blood-soaked wheel-chair.

Witnesses at the mosque said Yassin's body had been evacuated to an unknown location.

"The sheikh is dead. The sheikh is dead," sobbed gunmen and Hamas militants who gathered at the scene.

Israel has said it would step up operations to track and kill Islamic militants after a string of suicide bombings, including one at a strategic port last week in which 10 people were killed.

Now lets cout hours to next suicide attack in retaliation.... 10 maybe 12.....

[wholagun]

I thought that he was too important of a person too kill, that if dead his death would only make things worse.

If true won't the Palestinians be mad? Isn't this the ulimate target for Hammas?

[Kilgor]

Alah akba ! :P

[Marmot1]

Alah akba ! :P :bash: Wrong:
Allahu Akkbar!!!

[MetalBoy]

Great news! woot

[ariweiner]

Shaikh Ahmed Yassin was an elderly paraplegic. He has no involvement with Hamas's military wing. How is his death helping Israel's cause? And how can anyone claim that this is a "good" thing?

[scm77]

I thought that he was too important of a person too kill, that if dead his death would only make things worse.


That's like saying we shouldn't kill bin laden.

Good work IDF. woot

[Ghostwolf]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3556099.stm

First of all my personal congratulations to the IDF for removing another terrorist from the face of this planet. But for the citizens of Israel, please be prepared for possible revenge attacks by his followers.

[obd]

Marmot what are you an idiot?? you think your gonna win a aympathy vote because the man was in a wheelchair. A blind sheik in Brooklyn organized the murder of several Americans and nearly toppled to World Trade Center in the first failed attack to destroy it.

Jeez marmot. Do you have any idea how much blood the "poor old man" had on his hands. Do you know how many children and women and men have had thier lives shattered due to this man who you defend.

If anyone around here is shameless its you marmot. To say that someone has no right to attack a man in a wheelchair if he has organized the deaths of hundreds of your people is just so stupid it boggles my mind. Its almost not even worth responding to your idiocy at all but I cant help myself.

Marmot, do you honestly know the history of this man? Do you know that he founded HAMAS? Do you know that he is the Israelis "Bin Laden" and that they have held off on killing him for years. The man goes on TV talking about killing innocent Israelis and wiping them out. Then the men he leads attack buses and mall and weddings and parades tageting innocent Israelis!!!!

Now I have posted against Israelis tagetting people in the midst of civilians and such in the past so my position in this is clear. But the sheik was no civilian. He was the spiritual leader of a terror group obssessed with committing genocide against an entire people. He is exactly the same as Bin Ladin. Although let me guess, you think Osama Bin Laden is a poor old mountain man who couldnt possibly have had anything to do with 9-11 and its unfair that the United States is hunting him down and we should be killing ourselves randomly instead right??????

IDIOT!!!!!!

[Lobo]

Let's forget for a moment the moral side of theses news... My question is... How this is going to help Israel's fight against terrorism?

[seruriermarshal]

really ?

[George W. Bush]

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old
Witch? The Wicked Witch!

I hope the old prick's death was painless.

[Sayeret]

Great job IDF. That man was only supporting terrorism so what if he was 80 he was a terrorist. Bin Laden is pretty old but he can still cause a lot of damage as he has shown many times by inspiring people to commit acts of terrorism.

[seruriermarshal]

Great job IDF. That man was only supporting terrorism so what if he was 80 he was a terrorist. Bin Laden is pretty old but he can still cause a lot of damage as he has shown many times by inspiring people to commit acts of terrorism.

Yes , IDF use AH-64 or F-16 ?

[Kilgor]

because the old geezer is probably speading the usual hate filled islamofacist retoric.

[seruriermarshal]

because the old geezer is probably speading the usual hate filled islamofacist retoric.

Maybe IDF will attack kill more terrorism .

[Marmot1]

Marmot what are you an idiot?? you think your gonna win a aympathy vote because the man was in a wheelchair. A blind sheik in Brooklyn organized the murder of several Americans and nearly toppled to World Trade Center in the first failed attack to destroy it.

Jeez marmot. Do you have any idea how much blood the "poor old man" had on his hands. Do you know how many children and women and men have had thier lives shattered due to this man who you defend.

If anyone around here is shameless its you marmot. To say that someone has no right to attack a man in a wheelchair if he has organized the deaths of hundreds of your people is just so stupid it boggles my mind. Its almost not even worth responding to your idiocy at all but I cant help myself.

Marmot, do you honestly know the history of this man? Do you know that he founded HAMAS? Do you know that he is the Israelis "Bin Laden" and that they have held off on killing him for years. The man goes on TV talking about killing innocent Israelis and wiping them out. Then the men he leads attack buses and mall and weddings and parades tageting innocent Israelis!!!!

Now I have posted against Israelis tagetting people in the midst of civilians and such in the past so my position in this is clear. But the sheik was no civilian. He was the spiritual leader of a terror group obssessed with committing genocide against an entire people. He is exactly the same as Bin Ladin. Although let me guess, you think Osama Bin Laden is a poor old mountain man who couldnt possibly have had anything to do with 9-11 and its unfair that the United States is hunting him down and we should be killing ourselves randomly instead right??????

IDIOT!!!!!!
:bash: And do you know how much blood has Israeli PM on his hands

IDIOT

[Kilgor]

:bash: And do you know how much blood has Israeli PM on his hands



great comeback :roll:

[seruriermarshal]

Marmot what are you an idiot?? you think your gonna win a aympathy vote because the man was in a wheelchair. A blind sheik in Brooklyn organized the murder of several Americans and nearly toppled to World Trade Center in the first failed attack to destroy it.

Jeez marmot. Do you have any idea how much blood the "poor old man" had on his hands. Do you know how many children and women and men have had thier lives shattered due to this man who you defend.

If anyone around here is shameless its you marmot. To say that someone has no right to attack a man in a wheelchair if he has organized the deaths of hundreds of your people is just so stupid it boggles my mind. Its almost not even worth responding to your idiocy at all but I cant help myself.

Marmot, do you honestly know the history of this man? Do you know that he founded HAMAS? Do you know that he is the Israelis "Bin Laden" and that they have held off on killing him for years. The man goes on TV talking about killing innocent Israelis and wiping them out. Then the men he leads attack buses and mall and weddings and parades tageting innocent Israelis!!!!

Now I have posted against Israelis tagetting people in the midst of civilians and such in the past so my position in this is clear. But the sheik was no civilian. He was the spiritual leader of a terror group obssessed with committing genocide against an entire people. He is exactly the same as Bin Ladin. Although let me guess, you think Osama Bin Laden is a poor old mountain man who couldnt possibly have had anything to do with 9-11 and its unfair that the United States is hunting him down and we should be killing ourselves randomly instead right??????

IDIOT!!!!!!

Maybe you are right .

[RomanS]

IDF good job brothers !

kill them islamist monkeys with the same success!

[hood]

that if dead his death would only make things worse.

It can't get much worse than it already is other than some kind of Palestinian human wave attack or a nuke. My only thought on why Israel did this, is that they want to show the world yet again that if they say they'll do something, at the end of the day, they will do whatever it takes to make it happen. If Israel has decided to kill any Hamas member they can find, what difference does it make that he's 80 years old and in a wheel chair? Franklin Delano Roosevelt led the United States from a wheel chair. As a well known saying goes, whether you order the death of others, or pull the trigger yourself, there's no difference.

[ArmedPacifist]

bad move.

Killing him gains the IDF nothing.

[alexbmn]

Lehaims anyone?

[stuntman]

Wow I think our Isreali brothers in this fight for terrorism have just turn the tide. Now all we have to do is get who ever is in the Pakistan mountains and if he is a checen victory for the Russians and if hes the other piss head Victory for USA. Any which way Isreal has push foward in this Battle of the terrorist buldge! THX and stay vigilant!

Weep em man it's IDF!

[UoUo]

For all the people that think it was a bad move:

What do you think the hamas can do that he didn't tried yet?

[Marmot1]

Marmot what are you an idiot?? you think your gonna win a aympathy vote because the man was in a wheelchair. A blind sheik in Brooklyn organized the murder of several Americans and nearly toppled to World Trade Center in the first failed attack to destroy it.

Jeez marmot. Do you have any idea how much blood the "poor old man" had on his hands. Do you know how many children and women and men have had thier lives shattered due to this man who you defend.

If anyone around here is shameless its you marmot. To say that someone has no right to attack a man in a wheelchair if he has organized the deaths of hundreds of your people is just so stupid it boggles my mind. Its almost not even worth responding to your idiocy at all but I cant help myself.

Marmot, do you honestly know the history of this man? Do you know that he founded HAMAS? Do you know that he is the Israelis "Bin Laden" and that they have held off on killing him for years. The man goes on TV talking about killing innocent Israelis and wiping them out. Then the men he leads attack buses and mall and weddings and parades tageting innocent Israelis!!!!

Now I have posted against Israelis tagetting people in the midst of civilians and such in the past so my position in this is clear. But the sheik was no civilian. He was the spiritual leader of a terror group obssessed with committing genocide against an entire people. He is exactly the same as Bin Ladin. Although let me guess, you think Osama Bin Laden is a poor old mountain man who couldnt possibly have had anything to do with 9-11 and its unfair that the United States is hunting him down and we should be killing ourselves randomly instead right??????

IDIOT!!!!!!

Maybe you are right .

Do you know what is court... it is funny building with Judges, Attorneys and Prosecutors...If he was guilty so why they released him few years ago instead of keeping him in prison, I have nothing against if you kill a man carrying weapon but killing unarmed disabled blind man is a shame to every armed force. Yes he supported Hamas but tell me what was his contribution in recent bombings in past years except that he apricieted them. Attack were planed by others and others prepared bombs trained suiciders and chosed targets, only thing that he could do was to bless this actions,like rest of the 1 bilion musslims aroud world do. This wont help israel and would hurt any peace solution in middle east. This was pointles and would bring more damage than benefits... you will se result of this in couple of days on streets of Israeli cities and in pic of the day section with quote starting "Palestinian suicide...."

[seruriermarshal]

Wow I think our Isreali brothers in this fight for terrorism have just turn the tide. Now all we have to do is get who ever is in the Pakistan mountains and if he is a checen victory for the Russians and if hes the other piss head Victory for USA. Any which way Isreal has push foward in this Battle of the terrorist buldge! THX and stay vigilant!

Weep em man it's IDF!


Your sad ?
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[FallenAngel]

bad move.

Killing him gains the IDF nothing.

Maybe not....but it is a serious blow to HAMAS, even if it's only a morale issue. As Hood said, this is a demonstration of fortitude if nothing else for the IDF.

I bet Arafat is ****ting his pants right now.

[seruriermarshal]

Marmot what are you an idiot?? you think your gonna win a aympathy vote because the man was in a wheelchair. A blind sheik in Brooklyn organized the murder of several Americans and nearly toppled to World Trade Center in the first failed attack to destroy it.

Jeez marmot. Do you have any idea how much blood the "poor old man" had on his hands. Do you know how many children and women and men have had thier lives shattered due to this man who you defend.

If anyone around here is shameless its you marmot. To say that someone has no right to attack a man in a wheelchair if he has organized the deaths of hundreds of your people is just so stupid it boggles my mind. Its almost not even worth responding to your idiocy at all but I cant help myself.

Marmot, do you honestly know the history of this man? Do you know that he founded HAMAS? Do you know that he is the Israelis "Bin Laden" and that they have held off on killing him for years. The man goes on TV talking about killing innocent Israelis and wiping them out. Then the men he leads attack buses and mall and weddings and parades tageting innocent Israelis!!!!

Now I have posted against Israelis tagetting people in the midst of civilians and such in the past so my position in this is clear. But the sheik was no civilian. He was the spiritual leader of a terror group obssessed with committing genocide against an entire people. He is exactly the same as Bin Ladin. Although let me guess, you think Osama Bin Laden is a poor old mountain man who couldnt possibly have had anything to do with 9-11 and its unfair that the United States is hunting him down and we should be killing ourselves randomly instead right??????

IDIOT!!!!!!

Maybe you are right .

Do you know what is court... it is funny building with Judges, Attorneys and Prosecutors...If he was guilty so why they released him few years ago instead of keeping him in prison, I have nothing against if you kill a man carrying weapon but killing unarmed disabled blind man is a shame to every armed force. Yes he supported Hamas but tell me what was his contribution in recent bombings in past years except that he apricieted them. Attack were planed by others and others prepared bombs trained suiciders and chosed targets, only thing that he could do was to bless this actions,like rest of the 1 bilion musslims aroud world do. This wont help israel and would hurt any peace solution in middle east. This was pointles and would bring more damage than benefits... you will se result of this in couple of days on streets of Israeli cities and in pic of the day section with quote starting "Palestinian suicide...."

My friend , It's war .

[stuntman]

Hey the only blind man here is you! Let me sum it up that man was the founder of Hamas, they or there supporters almost made a chemical attack at that sea port (resulted in 10 deaths)! If they would have been succefull spain would have looked like a picnic compared to all the Isrealis dead! I think that man has broken the camels back enough it's about time the camel kicked back!!!! And please stop acting like some how Isreals IDF are on the same moral ground as F*cking terrorist. I think it is clear who is on the side of the right.

[Marmot1]

bad move.

Killing him gains the IDF nothing.

Maybe not....but it is a serious blow to HAMAS, even if it's only a morale issue. As Hood said, this is a demonstration of fortitude if nothing else for the IDF.

I bet Arafat is ****ting his pants right now.
OK what next carpet bombing of gaza strip since all there support hamas/jihad/hesbollah/whatever you put here ... If you kill him there will be someone to replace him if you kill his succesor there would be next... unless there is peace plan that would be acceptable to them there will be someone to replace him no matter if you kill even 10 palestinians a day there still will be next teen to replace them, they birth ratio is high.

[MetalBoy]

And so it begins... Stay strong Israel

Hamas: Sharon has opened the gates of hell

By News Agencies and Haaretz Service

Hamas leaders vowed Monday to "cut off" the head of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, after their spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was killed in a missile strike by Israeli helicopter gunships in Gaza City.

"Sharon has opened the gates of hell and nothing will stop us from cutting off his head," leaders of the radical Islamic group vowed.

"Words cannot describe the emotion of anger and hate inside our hearts," said Hamas official Ismail Haniyeh, a close associate of Yassin in Gaza.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians, many in tears, poured into Gaza City streets. Gunmen fired into the air and militants threw dozens of pipe-bombs to express their outrage.

Palestinian Authority officials condemned the attack. "This is a crazy and very dangerous act. It opens the door wide to chaos. Yassin is known for his moderation and he was controlling Hamas and therefore this is a dangerous, cowardly act," said Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia.

"Assassinations, incursions, walls, will not produce peace and security, on the contrary, it will just add fuel to the fire," said Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat.

Sufyan Abu Zaydeh, a Palestinian Authority official, said the killing of Yassin was reminiscent of Israel's assassination of Hamas bombmaker Yehiye Ayash in Gaza in January 1996. Hamas responded to the killing of Ayash, nicknamed "The Engineer" by Israel, with a series of deadly suicide bombings inside Israel that killed close to sixty people in the space of 10 days. Yassin's killing, Abu Zaydeh said, would spark "a harsh wave of attacks."

Deputy Israeli Defense Minister Ze'ev Boim told Israel Radio on Monday morning that the Yassin had been "marked for death." He said "Yassin and the others were behind the terror framework in the Gaza Strip."


Yassin is known for his moderation and he was controlling Hamas and therefore this is a dangerous, cowardly act
rofl Yes, but in Hamas your known as a moderate if you only want to kill scores of Israeli children in a terrorist attack, instead of hundreds.

[seruriermarshal]

Hey the only blind man here is you! Let me sum it up that man was the founder of Hamas, they or there supporters almost made a chemical attack at that sea port (resulted in 10 deaths)! If they would have been succefull spain would have looked like a picnic compared to all the Isrealis dead! I think that man has broken the camels back enough it's about time the camel kicked back!!!! And please stop acting like some how Isreals IDF are on the same moral ground as F*cking terrorist. I think it is clear who is on the side of the right.

First kill terrorist , agree ?

[Marmot1]

Hey the only blind man here is you! Let me sum it up that man was the founder of Hamas, they or there supporters almost made a chemical attack at that sea port (resulted in 10 deaths)! If they would have been succefull spain would have looked like a picnic compared to all the Isrealis dead! I think that man has broken the camels back enough it's about time the camel kicked back!!!! And please stop acting like some how Isreals IDF are on the same moral ground as F*cking terrorist. I think it is clear who is on the side of the right.
I'm not so sure... remember who is occupant there and who is occupied... as long as there is occupation there will be resistance... they don't have tanks and planes so they use other means of war: suicide assasination, bomb attack... it's war - like someone reminded to me couple of posts above

[wholagun]

IDF good job brothers !

kill them islamist monkeys with the same success!

Dude Im sorry to say this but you have got to be the most thick headed dumbest, and after sixgun racist person on this site. oh I forgot unsensative and heartless.

How about this: Go Chechyan brothers kill the Russian skum!! How do you like it.. You really expect me to have sympathy for your Russian cause after dumb comments like that.

[gilgoul]

Let's forget for a moment the moral side of theses news... My question is... How this is going to help Israel's fight against terrorism?


thank you, that s the only question that matters.
I`m affraid it won`t help, but in the same time, what about showing the Hamas that thy re not safe from our strikes anymore.
I m kind of split to be quite honest, but i`m not even touched by the "moral" argument, Ahmed Yassin had more blod on his hands than any other actor of this conflict, and was a legitimate target, too bad we did it now, and not 15 years ago.

[Midav]

Hoooah!

Good job by the IDF!

Now, only have to get the rest of the old guys' cronies.....

[MetalBoy]

I thought his wheelchair would be specially armor plated to withstand a helicopter attack. :D Guess not.

Warning: (ex)wheelchair surrounded by blood
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39948000/jpg/_39948569_wheelchair.jpg

[wholagun]

@MetalBoy someone will bitch about the blood in your pic, so you might as well put it in a link before your told to by a Mod and you will soon enough.

[Marmot1]

Let's forget for a moment the moral side of theses news... My question is... How this is going to help Israel's fight against terrorism?


thank you, that s the only question that matters.
I`m affraid it won`t help, but in the same time, what about showing the Hamas that thy re not safe from our strikes anymore.
I m kind of split to be quite honest, but i`m not even touched by the "moral" argument, Ahmed Yassin had more blod on his hands than any other actor of this conflict, and was a legitimate target, too bad we did it now, and not 15 years ago.

To be honest if we count amout of blood on hands by number of victims of subordinates then Sharon has more blood since Israeli-Palestinian death ratio is like 1:3

[MetalBoy]

Sorry, my enthusiasm got the better of me. Although who wouldn't enjoy the sight of dead terrorist residue?

[wholagun]

Sorry, my enthusiasm got the better of me. Although who wouldn't enjoy the sight of dead terrorist residue?


well if it wasn't me it'd be argyll or bewolf or another mod, terrorist or not there have been threads close before of the lack of a link with warning..

[stuntman]

Hey the only blind man here is you! Let me sum it up that man was the founder of Hamas, they or there supporters almost made a chemical attack at that sea port (resulted in 10 deaths)! If they would have been succefull spain would have looked like a picnic compared to all the Isrealis dead! I think that man has broken the camels back enough it's about time the camel kicked back!!!! And please stop acting like some how Isreals IDF are on the same moral ground as F*cking terrorist. I think it is clear who is on the side of the right.
I'm not so sure... remember who is occupant there and who is occupied... as long as there is occupation there will be resistance... they don't have tanks and planes so they use other means of war: suicide assasination, bomb attack... it's war - like someone reminded to me couple of posts above

I understand what you mean about "its war" I have no problem with suicide attacks againts soldiers (I don't support Terrorist so no one twist this) but what about the port what about the civilians Isreali and Palistilians who are murdered in icecream shops and cafes hello my problem is with the equation of moral high ground its just not there! I don't here other Arab or Euro countries throwing there money and arms to help or welcome these lost people into there borders! You know why not? Because there own so called muslim brothers from across the borders don't give a Sh*t about them. So wheres the cries for neglect for the arab leagueand the bleeding heart Euro's?

[scm77]

seruriermarshal said this earlier.

"Do you know what is court... it is funny building with Judges, Attorneys and Prosecutors...If he was guilty so why they released him few years ago instead of keeping him in prison."

He was released because the Jordanian government made a deal to realse two captured israelis who I believe were intelligence agents. They had been captured in Jordan trying to assassinate another Hamas guy.

[Marmot1]

Hey the only blind man here is you! Let me sum it up that man was the founder of Hamas, they or there supporters almost made a chemical attack at that sea port (resulted in 10 deaths)! If they would have been succefull spain would have looked like a picnic compared to all the Isrealis dead! I think that man has broken the camels back enough it's about time the camel kicked back!!!! And please stop acting like some how Isreals IDF are on the same moral ground as F*cking terrorist. I think it is clear who is on the side of the right.
I'm not so sure... remember who is occupant there and who is occupied... as long as there is occupation there will be resistance... they don't have tanks and planes so they use other means of war: suicide assasination, bomb attack... it's war - like someone reminded to me couple of posts above

I understand what you mean about "its war" I have no problem with suicide attacks againts soldiers (I don't support Terrorist so no one twist this) but what about the port what about the civilians Isreali and Palistilians who are murdered in icecream shops and cafes hello my problem is with the equation of moral high ground its just not there! I don't here other Arab or Euro countries throwing there money and arms to help or welcome these lost people into there borders! You know why not? Because there own so called muslim brothers from across the borders don't give a Sh*t about them. So wheres the cries for neglect for the arab leagueand the bleeding heart Euro's?

Well and how do you think if not arab countries provide them with guns and explosives then who? As for civilian casaulties there are dead civilians on both sides and probably on palestionan side couter is higher than on israeli..
Hint to you: there is lot of Palestinian refuges in Jordana Egipt and surrounding countries... Also in europe..

Place of Refugees All Population / of which
(1999) / Refugees
----------------------------------------------------------
Israel 1,012,547 / 0
Gaza Strip 1,066,707 / 813,570
West Bank 1,695,429 / 693,286
Jordan 2,472,501 / 1,849,666
Lebanon 456,824 / 433,276
Syria 494,501 / 472,475
Egypt 51,805 / 42,974
Saudi Arabia 291,778 / 291,778
Kuwait 40,031 / 36,499
Other Gulf 112,116 / 112,116
Iraq, Libya 78,884 / 78,884
Other Arab Countries 5,887 / 5,887
The Americas 216,196 / 183,767
Other Countries 275,303 / 234,008
----------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL 8,270,509 / 5,248,186

[UoUo]

Let's forget for a moment the moral side of theses news... My question is... How this is going to help Israel's fight against terrorism?


thank you, that s the only question that matters.
I`m affraid it won`t help, but in the same time, what about showing the Hamas that thy re not safe from our strikes anymore.
I m kind of split to be quite honest, but i`m not even touched by the "moral" argument, Ahmed Yassin had more blod on his hands than any other actor of this conflict, and was a legitimate target, too bad we did it now, and not 15 years ago.

To be honest if we count amout of blood on hands by number of victims of subordinates then Sharon has more blood since Israeli-Palestinian death ratio is like 1:3

And the American iraqi people is somthing like 10:1 so what?

That didn't mean that Bush is worse then sadamm

[Kilgor]

I dont know why the big fuss.

The guy lived by the sword and died by the airstrike.

[Marmot1]

Let's forget for a moment the moral side of theses news... My question is... How this is going to help Israel's fight against terrorism?


thank you, that s the only question that matters.
I`m affraid it won`t help, but in the same time, what about showing the Hamas that thy re not safe from our strikes anymore.
I m kind of split to be quite honest, but i`m not even touched by the "moral" argument, Ahmed Yassin had more blod on his hands than any other actor of this conflict, and was a legitimate target, too bad we did it now, and not 15 years ago.

To be honest if we count amout of blood on hands by number of victims of subordinates then Sharon has more blood since Israeli-Palestinian death ratio is like 1:3

And the American iraqi people is somthing like 10:1 so what?

That didn't mean that Bush is worse then sadamm
But that didn't mean his hand are clean.....

[UoUo]

Let's forget for a moment the moral side of theses news... My question is... How this is going to help Israel's fight against terrorism?


thank you, that s the only question that matters.
I`m affraid it won`t help, but in the same time, what about showing the Hamas that thy re not safe from our strikes anymore.
I m kind of split to be quite honest, but i`m not even touched by the "moral" argument, Ahmed Yassin had more blod on his hands than any other actor of this conflict, and was a legitimate target, too bad we did it now, and not 15 years ago.

To be honest if we count amout of blood on hands by number of victims of subordinates then Sharon has more blood since Israeli-Palestinian death ratio is like 1:3

And the American iraqi people is somthing like 10:1 so what?

That didn't mean that Bush is worse then sadamm
But that didn't mean his hand are clean.....

True...and the hands of any leader in any war time are not clean.

Agree?

[MetalBoy]

Ok I can see where this post is heading, lets get back on topic:
woot Killing terrorists is teh shiznit!! woot

[Kilgor]

True...and the hands of any leader in any war time are not clean.

Agree?

Yeap

and this is war between the two.

From day one.

[Red]

IDF good strike but i dont see the strategic value in killing him.can anyone help explain it to me?And even though i feel bad for saying this,Israel get ready what will come next,i pray you all have the fortitude to bear the brunt and continue your fight for existense.

[UoUo]

True...and the hands of any leader in any war time are not clean.

Agree?

Yeap

and this is war between the two.

From day one.

What do you mean?

That from the day 1 if the "intifada" it's war between shron and yasin?

[Kilgor]

ever since the state was created governments and groups have tried to destroy it

[UoUo]

ever since the state was created governments and groups have tried to destroy it

What state? about who you talking about?

Soory but i don't understand you.

[Kilgor]

"On the same day, the Arabs announced their rejection of the Partition Plan. Shortly after, Syrian, Iraqi, and Egyptian troops invaded Israel. Israel successfully repelled the armies, and then advanced its forces to occupy most of the territory set aside under the Partition Plan for the Arabs and for the City of Jerusalem. A cease fire agreement was signed between the two sides, with the current front line becoming the boundary between Israel and the Arab territories. As a result of the 1948 war, Israel controlled all the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan, much of the territory allotted to the Arabs under the Plan, and half of what was to be the UN-administered City of Jerusalem. The remaining Arab territories were the West Bank and the Gaza Strip; the West Bank was administered by Jordan, while the Gaza Strip was administered by Egypt. For details, see 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

"http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/History-of-Israel

[UoUo]

Ok. Now i see what you mean.

[SpikeATGM]

Muslim = terrorist. A "good muslim" is equal to a dead muslim.


Good job!

[citizen-k]

Alah akba ! :P :bash: Wrong:
Allahu Akkbar!!!

Allah zrir, very zrir... rofl

He is dead, and so should be every ****en rag head who thinks Israel will give up on its right to exist!

"Yasser, your next!"

[George W. Bush]

Muslim = terrorist. A "good muslim" is equal to a dead muslim.


Good job!

Now now, come on, we all know that Islam is a religion of peace and that poor Muslims are the target of imperialist Zionists and their American lackies.

[citizen-k]

True...and the hands of any leader in any war time are not clean.

Agree?

Yeap

and this is war between the two.

From day one.

What do you mean?

That from the day 1 if the "intifada" it's war between shron and yasin?

Not true.

The war was not between Israel and the Palestinian because... there was no such thing a "Palestinians".

Palestinians were invented after 67', when the Arabs understood they will not gain a regular military victory over Israel.

(The closest things they had for a military victiry was during 73' - when the UN asked Israel NOT to destroy Damescus and Cairo...)

[HELEX]

Wont make a lot of sense if they dont kill Arafat too. :roll:

[MetalBoy]

Muslim = terrorist. A "good muslim" is equal to a dead muslim.


Good job!

Dude, don't pollute this celebration with such ignorant, bigoted comments. I'm happy when a terrorist is killed, no matter his religion, race, gender, ethnicity or ****** orietation.

[Uncle Chô]

1- Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was a target of choice. He was a true leader to all Hamas armed terrorists. He was the man than inspired many of the attacks by giving directions and was a living (now dead) icon to the young people. He was a disable person. What is the point ? As someone wrote it already, giving orders to kill or pulling the trigger is no difference.

2- His death will lead to more violent actions in the very near future but I hope this will open a new way for moderate Palestinians later.

3- About 7 civilians bystanders (not bodyguards) may have been killed in the attack. If this info turns out to be true, this isthebad news.

[UoUo]

1- Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was a target of choice. He was a true leader to all Hamas armed terrorists. He was the man than inspired many of the attacks by giving directions and was a living (now dead) icon to the young people. He was a disable person. What is the point ? As someone wrote it already, giving orders to kill or pulling the trigger is no difference.

2- His death will lead to more violent actions in the very near future but I hope this will open a new way for moderate Palestinians later.

3- About 7 civilians bystanders (not bodyguards) may have been killed in the attack. If this info turns out to be true, this isthebad news.

Half of them were his bodygurds and the other half were supporters.

[sierraone]

To all the Israelis in the forum: WELL DONE!!
By the way as someone mentioned here about the 'military' wing of Hamas and the 'political' one. THERE IS NO SUCH THING! A terrorist organisation is a terrorist organisation and that is just window dressing.

[Lobo]

I'm happy when a terrorist is killed, no matter his religion, race, gender, ethnicity or ****** orietation.

That's called an equal opportunity killing terrorists policy. :roll:

[citizen-k]

To all the Israelis in the forum: WELL DONE!!
By the way as someone mentioned here about the 'military' wing of Hamas and the 'political' one. THERE IS NO SUCH THING! A terrorist organisation is a terrorist organisation and that is just window dressing.

Thing is, Yassin WAS NOT a part of the 'political wing' - he actually planned and approved terror attacks.

Right now we have a thing called Tanzim, which is called by the (lefty) media as the 'military' wing of the Phata"h - guess what Phata'h is?

Thats right - the 'military' wing of the PLO!

So what do we have here? a military wing of the military wing...

Its like saying the Marines corp is the 'military' wing of the U.S army... :cantbeli:

It's just a way of the media (and lefty people in Israel) to provide Araffat and his gang a "shield" by calling them 'political wing' of something...this basterd was and allways will be a terrorist.

[Lobo]

Wasn't Al Fatah one of the several movements that form the PLO?

[citizen-k]

Wasn't Al Fatah one of the several movements that form the PLO?

Fatah was (before the Tanzim) the military wing of the PLO, by definition.

[ogukuo72]

To all the Israelis in the forum: WELL DONE!!
By the way as someone mentioned here about the 'military' wing of Hamas and the 'political' one. THERE IS NO SUCH THING! A terrorist organisation is a terrorist organisation and that is just window dressing.
That is true. It's like Sinn Fein being the Political Wing of the IRA - there's no such thing.

It's a useful "spin", though, if you ultimately want to negotiate with someone. You can't negotiate with the IRA or HAMAS - ain't respectable. So, you've to invent the fiction that there is a "political" wing which somehow is not involved in and tainted by the terrorist attacks by the "military" wing.

[ShotOver]

AP - Israeli forces have killed Sheik Ahmed Yassin, the founder and spiritual leader of the violent Islamic Hamas movement, in a missile attack in Gaza.

Israeli helicopters fired three missiles at the wheelchair-bound Hamas leader as he left a mosque near his house at daybreak on Monday, residents said, and Hamas officials and witnesses said he was killed.

"Words cannot describe the emotion of anger and hate inside our hearts," said Hamas official Ismail Haniyeh, a close associate of Yassin.

Masked fighters at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, where Yassin's body was taken, shot into the air in rage and Gaza residents rushed into the streets, many of them in tears. Mosques read passages from the Quran and two Gaza churches rang their church bells.

Israel had previously tried to kill Yassin in September when a warplane dropped a bomb on a building where he and other Hamas leaders were meeting, but Yassin escaped with just a small wound to his hand. One Israeli official recently said Yassin, a Hamas founder, was "marked for death."




Palestinian Cabinet minister Saeb Erekat condemned the killing.

"Assassinations, incursions, walls, will not produce peace and security, on the contrary, it will just add fuel to the fire," he said.

Witnesses said the Israeli helicopter strike instantly killed Yassin and two bodyguards. Hospital officials said five people were killed and 15 wounded in the attack.

Yussef Haddad, 35, a taxi driver, said he saw the missiles hit and kill Yassin and the bodyguards. "Their bodies were shattered," he said.

Yassin was by far the most senior Palestinian militant killed in more than three years of Israeli-Palestinian fighting. Thousands of angry Palestinians gathered around his minutes after the attack, calling for revenge against Israel.

Announcing Yassin's death over mosque loudspeakers, the Hamas leadership said, "Sharon has opened the gates of hell. and nothing will stop us from cutting off his head," referring to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon."

Outside the morgue at Shifa Hospital, Haniyeh, a close associated of Yassin, had tears in his eyes as he confirmed Yassin's death and pledged revenge.

"This is the moment Sheik Yassin dreamed about," Haniyeh said. "Sheik Yassin lived and died and offered his life to Palestine. Sheik Yassin was a hero and a fighter and the leader of a nation, and (he) is in heaven now."

After the attack, Ambulances and fire trucks raced to the scene, sirens wailing, and rescue workers were gathering up parts of the shattered bodies.

Yassin, a quadriplegic, founded Hamas in 1987. He was held in Israeli prisons for several years before being released in 1994.

Yassin lived in a modest house in the rundown Sabra neighborhood in Gaza City. Though he was limited in his movements, and Israel blamed him for inspiring Hamas bombers and attackers who killed hundreds of Israelis, Israeli governments had until now refrained from targeting him, fearing a firestorm of revenge attacks.



©AAP 2004

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/story_40331.asp

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/media/news_audio.asp?ASF=http://mediastream.aap.com.au/20040322/MideastWar.asf
- Hamas leader Habdel Aziz Al-Rantissi says the war against Israelis is now "open".

[citizen-k]

Abdul Aziz El-Rantisi is next... (I say...2-3 days)

The war is open now? hmmm.... oh, right - untill yesterday the Hammas was a peaceful organization... rofl

[fdt]

It's not the question: why was he killed... It's rather a question: WHY HE HAD TO BE KILLED NOW? Not earlier, not later...
- Why was he freed of the prison in first place?
- Why was he not arrested? (his location was known)
- Why Sharon has freed a few hundreds of real Hamas murderers few weeks ago (despite the bus bombing was in the middle of the "deal" implementation)? The real murderers were loose free and now IDF kills an old blind faggot...

I don't understand the rationale within this "merciless anti-terrorist tactics" of Arik... :roll: It looks like spilling the gasoline all over the house (terrorists release) and lighting the match (killing Yassin)... It doesn't look like the fireman's job. It's rather an act of pyromaniac.

A propos the Yassin killing was no anti-terroristic masterpiece... it was a thing that easily could be done yesterday and tomorrow with the same efficiency... So the question 4 me is "WHY NOW"?

[citizen-k]

It's not the question: why was he killed... It's rather a question: WHY HE HAD TO BE KILLED NOW? Not earlier, not later...
- Why was he freed of the prison in first place?
- Why was he not arrested? (his location was known)
- Why Sharon has freed a few hundreds of real Hamas murderers few weeks ago (despite the bus bombing was in the middle of the "deal" implementation)? The real murderers were loose free and now IDF kills an old blind faggot...

I don't understand the rationale within this "merciless anti-terrorist tactics" of Arik... :roll: It looks like spilling the gasoline all over the house (terrorists release) and lighting the match (killing Yassin)... It doesn't look like the fireman's job. It's rather an act of pyromaniac.

A propos the Yassin killing was no anti-terroristic masterpiece... it was a thing that easily could be done yesterday and tomorrow with the same efficiency... So the question 4 me is "WHY NOW"?

Because NOW the Jordanian king agreed.

If you can't understand why, read some newspapers of the past 2 weeks and learn about the Arabic legacy.

(Something Sharon understands very well)

[ShotOver]

Well, it's good that he's gone. But im afraid the Isreali people are going to cop it big time in the next few days... God help you.

Shalom.

Just another step away from Peace.. :(

[citizen-k]

Well, it's good that he's gone. But im afraid the Isreali people are going to cop it big time in the next few days... God help you.

Shalom.

Just another step away from Peace.. :(

No, its a step towards peace.

Israel will get out of Gaza after the old leadership will be destroyed - so the Palestinian people will have a chance to build a new, peacefull leadership.

[fdt]

Because NOW the Jordanian king agreed.

If you can't understand why, read some newspapers of the past 2 weeks and learn about the Arabic legacy.

(Something Sharon understands very well)Because Jordanian king agreed? Please...... SINCE WHEN DOES SHARON NEED APPROVAL FROM JORDANIAN KING FOR KILLING TERRORIST? He is supposed to do what the Israeli people want and allow him to do... he is not supposed to take orders (or get approvals for his anti-terrorist actions) from UN, USA or anyone else.

I know arabs legacy quite well as for not arab and non Middle East inhabitant. If there are some hidden reasons I can't see, please explain them to me. What is the "legacy" behind freeing hamas fighters few weeks ago and killing the Yassin now? What are those reasons? If You know, reveal them 2 me - because I want just to know and understand them. I read newspapers on daily basis, but it's not israeli press obviously. If there are any articles to back Your statement pls give me links to them (in english please, I can't read or speak hebrew) or quote them here. I would appreciate Your assistance here.

[ShotOver]

http://www.opflash.org/pt/owned_hamas.jpg
Sorry, couldnt help myself.


Sorry mate, i saw it as bad. But i understand what you are saying :D

[Marmot1]

1- Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was a target of choice. He was a true leader to all Hamas armed terrorists. He was the man than inspired many of the attacks by giving directions and was a living (now dead) icon to the young people. He was a disable person. What is the point ? As someone wrote it already, giving orders to kill or pulling the trigger is no difference.

2- His death will lead to more violent actions in the very near future but I hope this will open a new way for moderate Palestinians later.

3- About 7 civilians bystanders (not bodyguards) may have been killed in the attack. If this info turns out to be true, this isthebad news.

Half of them were his bodygurds and the other half were supporters.
Yeah and when suicider blow himself in night club I can say that all victims were IDF reservist...

[AFG]

I dont know why the big fuss.

The guy lived by the sword and died by the airstrike.


well put woot

[jones]

Cerainly a ballsy move by the Israelis, I wonder what the reaction in Europe will be to this, will they demand sanctions or will they huff and puff around the issue.

[fdt]

No, its a step towards peace.
Israel will get out of Gaza after the old leadership will be destroyed - so the Palestinian people will have a chance to build a new, peacefull leadership.

- Why wasn't then the old leadership targeted? Why it was the "palestinian khomeini" - ideologist not the bloody terrorist politicians as Arafat?
- Since when killing the ideologist makes his followers more paeceful?
- Before Sharon had a physically disabled sworn terrorism ideologist, now he has an immortal martyr (that can't be killed with rockets again). Killed a man but doubled his sick influence. If this was an issue, well the goal has been achieved, but I still need a reasonable explanation. So I ask humbly once more - pls enlighten me.

[citizen-k]

Because NOW the Jordanian king agreed.

If you can't understand why, read some newspapers of the past 2 weeks and learn about the Arabic legacy.

(Something Sharon understands very well)Because Jordanian king agreed? Please...... SINCE WHEN DOES SHARON NEED APPROVAL FROM JORDANIAN KING FOR KILLING TERRORIST? He is supposed to do what the Israeli people want and allow him to do... he is not supposed to take orders (or get approvals for his anti-terrorist actions) from UN, USA or anyone else.

I know arabs legacy quite well as for not arab and non Middle East inhabitant. If there are some hidden reasons I can't see, please explain them to me. What is the "legacy" behind freeing hamas fighters few weeks ago and killing the Yassin now? What are those reasons? If You know, reveal them 2 me - because I want just to know and understand them. I read newspapers on daily basis, but it's not israeli press obviously. If there are any articles to back Your statement pls give me links to them (in english please, I can't read or speak hebrew) or quote them here. I would appreciate Your assistance here.

Do you know what is going on in Syria now days? ;)

Yes, because he agreed - its the right time to start the real war against Hammas (which is also a threat to the king himself)

By saying "agreed" I mean he "did not object" - and yes, since Yassin was released by his father, his consent was essential.

Can you explain his silence in this matter? (or his secret private visit in Sharons private house last week?)

[citizen-k]

No, its a step towards peace.
Israel will get out of Gaza after the old leadership will be destroyed - so the Palestinian people will have a chance to build a new, peacefull leadership.

- Why wasn't then the old leadership targeted? Why it was the "palestinian khomeini" - ideologist not the bloody terrorist politicians as Arafat?
- Since when killing the ideologist makes his followers more paeceful?
- Before Sharon had a physically disabled sworn terrorism ideologist, now he has an immortal martyr (that can't be killed with rockets again). Killed a man but doubled his sick influence. If this was an issue, well the goal has been achieved, but I still need a reasonable explanation. So I ask humbly once more - pls enlighten me.

"ideologist"?

The man planned and ordered to execute terror acts!
This war is against the extreme leadership in the PA - and the most extreme part is Hammas, if Araffat won't understand what is going on soon - he WILL be next.

[citizen-k]

- Before Sharon had a physically disabled sworn terrorism ideologist, now he has an immortal martyr (that can't be killed with rockets again). Killed a man but doubled his sick influence. If this was an issue, well the goal has been achieved, but I still need a reasonable explanation. So I ask humbly once more - pls enlighten me.

And...

Before Sharon had a leader of a terror organization - now Sharon has a splitted organization with out leadership and a problem with the PA - now they will start fight each other. (something they do best)

[fdt]

So then:

- What's happening now in Syria?
- Why have the hundreds of Hamas terrorists freed? Why?
- Wasn't it an Israeli prison that was Yassin released from few years ago?

[Ghostwolf]

http://www.opflash.org/pt/owned_hamas.jpg
Sorry, couldnt help myself.

Sorry mate, i saw it as bad. But i understand what you are saying :D

What does "PWNED" means?

so now that Saruman, er I mean Yassin is dead, who's up next?

[citizen-k]

So then:

- What's happening now in Syria?
- Why have the hundreds of Hamas terrorists freed? Why?
- Wasn't it an Israeli prison that was Yassin released from few years ago?

- There are riots against the Syrian government - people are asking for there freedom

- It was a deal - we give you pridoners and you give us back our deads and our prisoner. (which is nothing but a drug dealer)
Most of those who were released were criminals, not terrorists who were supposed to be released soon any way. (they did their time)

- Yes, he was released due to a request from the Jordaninan king - as part of a trade. (Israel will release Yassin, and he will free Mossad agents)
And that is the whole "point" - because he asked to free Yassin, killing Yassinwith out a Jordnian "approval" was a bad thing to do, politically.

(Jordan and Israel has Love&Hate story because they are both suffering from the same problem - Palestinians, but Jordan still wants to look as part of the Arab world...)

[citizen-k]

The king just responded:

"Its a crime" rofl

The Europeans had a more aggressive response then him ;)

One might think it was the Franch president who released Yassin from jail...

[ShotOver]

Pwned, is "Owned" which is "Made piss", "Hurt", "Made Yip" and "Taken Out"

;)

[gilgoul]

[/quote]
Yeah and when suicider blow himself in night club I can say that all victims were IDF reservist...[/quote]

marmot, go f**** yourself :bash:


An IDF reservist

[sierraone]

Saying that the killing of Yassin will enrage Palestinians is liking saying that the English would further enrage Nazis by killing Hitler..

[ShotOver]

:EDIT:

[sierraone]

Yeah, hes a f*** Terrorist lover.

The stupid ****.

:D doesn't that word get sensored?? :D

[ShotOver]

Yeah, hes a f*** Terrorist lover.

The stupid C***.

[citizen-k]

1- Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was a target of choice. He was a true leader to all Hamas armed terrorists. He was the man than inspired many of the attacks by giving directions and was a living (now dead) icon to the young people. He was a disable person. What is the point ? As someone wrote it already, giving orders to kill or pulling the trigger is no difference.

2- His death will lead to more violent actions in the very near future but I hope this will open a new way for moderate Palestinians later.

3- About 7 civilians bystanders (not bodyguards) may have been killed in the attack. If this info turns out to be true, this isthebad news.

Half of them were his bodygurds and the other half were supporters.
Yeah and when suicider blow himself in night club I can say that all victims were IDF reservist...
15 year old high school girls are not IDF reservists :bash:

Idiot.

Hell, you can keep posting your idiotic ideas, I don't mind - as long as it will be under the same circumstances.

Come back tomorrow, after Rantisi will face his hell fire ;)

[fdt]

And...

Before Sharon had a leader of a terror organization - now Sharon has a splitted organization with out leadership and a problem with the PA - now they will start fight each other. (something they do best)

Well so I see that we have here few elements we gotta take for granted:
- Hamas will split after the Yassin killing... (I bet intel say so...)
- Internal fighting within hamas will disable this organization...
- Why did Abdullah think that it is a time to dispose the Yassin now?

Referring to Your staement about Yassin, I must say that I believe he was able to give orders, but sorry I can't believe that he was able to plan anything except his toilet visits... he must have had his "lieutenants" or "operatives" who did those things for him.

- Who are the people within Hamas that Sharon was dealing with, about the Islamic Jihad and Hamas members release (about 100 ass*holes along with criminals)? Aha, was it worth to free them in exchange for few corpses and a drug dealer (some Arik's friend or something?)?

[citizen-k]

And...

Before Sharon had a leader of a terror organization - now Sharon has a splitted organization with out leadership and a problem with the PA - now they will start fight each other. (something they do best)

Well so I see that we have here few elements we gotta take for granted:
- Hamas will split after the Yassin killing... (I bet intel say so...)
- Internal fighting within hamas will disable this organization...
- Why did Abdullah think that it is a time to dispose the Yassin now?

Referring to Your staement about Yassin, I must say that I believe he was able to give orders, but sorry I can't believe that he was able to plan anything except his toilet visits... he must have had his "lieutenants" or "operatives" who did those things for him.

- Who are the people within Hamas that Sharon was dealing with, about the Islamic Jihad and Hamas members release (about 100 ass*holes along with criminals)? Aha, was it worth to free them in exchange for few corpses and a drug dealer (some Arik's friend or something?)?

I don't know if it's "Arik's friend" (I doubt it)

The man knew a lot of things and it was essential to find out which part of what he knew was told.

Now is the right time because Israel is getting out of Gaza - something that leftys are objecting too, for some odd reason :roll:

[Luxembourger]

will they demand sanctions or will they huff and puff around the issue.

I guess so

It s great that GRand dady bin Laden got killed . :D

[gilgoul]

So then:

- What's happening now in Syria?
- Why have the hundreds of Hamas terrorists freed? Why?
- Wasn't it an Israeli prison that was Yassin released from few years ago?`


-Syria is still this peace loving and democratic country (lol), that beside hiding the Iraks WMD, trying to keep it s own (more than 200 scuds B) of range from anyone susceptible of asking accountancy on the BAATHIST governement human right record, the occupation of the totality of Lebanon, the crushing of anykind of demonstration other than the ones claiming the mass adoration for it`s leader, BASHAR AL ASSAD.

- To my regret and the regret of numerous Israelis, politics are sometimes cutting some deals even with the HAMASor it`s allies, the last example being the release of hundreds of militants of different groups in order to get back the bodies of 3 MIA and the living ass of either the dumbest or the most manipulative israeli and former reserve officer, mr Tennenbaum.

-As for the release of Yassin, he was in jail, and after a **** up of our secret service, Hussein of Jordan was rather pissed, and the (netanyahu) governement had to make a gesture in the jordanian direction in order not to jeopardize the ongoing peace treaties and following deals that followed.


Nevertheless, you should realize that we jail when possible the bad guys, but when impossible, we smoke them, and if their arrest makes them systematic western egeries like Baghoutti, we have less interest to jail them neately, since we are already this "evil doer, racist apartheid, anti muslim judeocracy" as i heard it once on belgian TV

[fdt]

So then:

- What's happening now in Syria?
- Why have the hundreds of Hamas terrorists freed? Why?
- Wasn't it an Israeli prison that was Yassin released from few years ago?`


-Syria is still this peace loving and democratic country (lol), that beside hiding the Iraks WMD, trying to keep it s own (more than 200 scuds B) of range from anyone susceptible of asking accountancy on the BAATHIST governement human right record, the occupation of the totality of Lebanon, the crushing of anykind of demonstration other than the ones claiming the mass adoration for it`s leader, BASHAR AL ASSAD.

- To my regret and the regret of numerous Israelis, politics are sometimes cutting some deals even with the HAMASor it`s allies, the last example being the release of hundreds of militants of different groups in order to get back the bodies of 3 MIA and the living ass of either the dumbest or the most manipulative israeli and former reserve officer, mr Tennenbaum.

-As for the release of Yassin, he was in jail, and after a f*** up of our secret service, Hussein of Jordan was rather pissed, and the (netanyahu) governement had to make a gesture in the jordanian direction in order not to jeopardize the ongoing peace treaties and following deals that followed.


Nevertheless, you should realize that we jail when possible the bad guys, but when impossible, we smoke them, and if their arrest makes them systematic western egeries like Baghoutti, we have less interest to jail them neately, since we are already this "evil doer, racist apartheid, anti muslim judeocracy" as i heard it once on belgian TVBut on one hand You say "crack down" on those terrorists. You catch'em, sentence for life ... and then You negotiate with Hamas or Islamic Jihad the terms of release... Can't You just introduce the CP for terrorism and then after a decent trial just hang or fry them? I am confused (I believe that many foreigners are) with that catching and releasing of people who undoubtedly are terorists... Haven't You get caught in this circle of secret operations vs the terrorist attacks after which You begin to secretly deal the exchange of agents for terrorists?

[cut]

On one hand it's good he's dead he was the head of a terrorist organisation, but it's rediculous to say killing him is a step towards peace. Hamas are not going to stop because of this, they will replace him declare him a martyr and double the amounts of attacks to show israelis that their tactics don't work. If israel really wanted peace they should have captured him and locked him away. I never see them do this despite their military might.

[sierraone]

On one hand it's good he's dead he was the head of a terrorist organisation, but it's rediculous to say killing him is a step towards peace. Hamas are not going to stop because of this, they will replace him declare him a martyr and double the amounts of attacks to show israelis that their tactics don't work. If israel really wanted peace they should have captured him and locked him away. I never see them do this despite their military might.

you don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I am hearing lots of weird and wonderful things about this killing.

Anyway, what peace? as i said earlier, we didn't kill Hitler not to infuriate the Germans further?

[cut]

the germany army was crushed hitler was killed hamas is still going strong.

[sierraone]

The german army was crushed before Hitler was killed. Hamas is still going strong?? You mean all this time after the Yassin assasination??

[Rantanplan]

I will miss him. I loved his Dracula movies. :(


http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/cinema/artigos/o_senhor_dos_aneis_2/saruman.jpg

[cut]

I will miss him. I loved his Dracula movies. :(


http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/cinema/artigos/o_senhor_dos_aneis_2/saruman.jpg

lol I did that in the off topic area

[Javehn]

Ok . I have to respond here .
Marmot1 , you ask me before why i leaved . This is because piss of ****s like you .
My 2 very good friends were killed in that night club you talking about . They weren't reservists . They barely knew about army . All they wanted is to have fun . They were killed . You must be getting hardon of writting that **** down .


On one hand it's good he's dead he was the head of a terrorist organisation, but it's rediculous to say killing him is a step towards peace. Hamas are not going to stop because of this, they will replace him declare him a martyr and double the amounts of attacks to show israelis that their tactics don't work. If israel really wanted peace they should have captured him and locked him away. I never see them do this despite their military might.

Locking terrorists aren't the way to deal with them . It's just giving terrorists another justification , and goal for the attacks . Like kidnaping of citiznes / soldiers , and you know the rest .
Let me give you example about the Yassin alone .
You aware that Yasin do visited Israeli prisson sence 1989 (guess why ) . During his imprisonment , an Israeli soldier , Nahshon Vaksman was kidnapped on his way home , by Hamas members , in order to make "bargoning deal " . You give us Yassin , we give you Vaksman . The soldier were killed in rescue operation .
That's just an example conserning Yassin himself . It's actually a preffered method of Hamas, and it's considered to be a top "military" operation for them (kidnapping) .

Here is the "instruction book" of Hamas , how to kidnap Israeli soldiers . BTW , guess who's exparation for the book ;) ?? 72 Virgins are bonning his ass now .
http://www.nfc.co.il/UploadImages/8145715595.jpg

[Frens]

woot woot woot GREAT JOB IDF woot woot woot

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On one hand it's good he's dead he was the head of a terrorist organisation, but it's rediculous to say killing him is a step towards peace. Hamas are not going to stop because of this, they will replace him declare him a martyr and double the amounts of attacks to show israelis that their tactics don't work. If israel really wanted peace they should have captured him and locked him away. I never see them do this despite their military might.

Locking terrorists aren't the way to deal with them . It's just giving terrorists another justification , and goal for the attacks . Like kidnaping of citiznes / soldiers , and you know the rest .
Let me give you example about the Yassin alone .
You aware that Yasin do visited Israeli prisson sence 1989 (guess why ) . During his imprisonment , an Israeli soldier , Nahshon Vaksman was kidnapped on his way home , by Hamas members , in order to make "bargoning deal " . You give us Yassin , we give you Vaksman . The soldier were killed in rescue operation .
That's just an example conserning Yassin himself . It's actually a preffered method of Hamas, and it's considered to be a top "military" operation for them (kidnapping) .

But killing them, is giving the terrorist more incentive. We will face the same problem with Bin Laden, what to do with him?




Here is the "instruction book" of Hamas , how to kidnap Israeli soldiers .
http://www.nfc.co.il/UploadImages/8145715595.jpg

Don't worry I have no doubt about Hamas guilt.

[fdt]

you don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I am hearing lots of weird and wonderful things about this killing.

Anyway, what peace? as i said earlier, we didn't kill Hitler not to infuriate the Germans further? That's precisely what I am pursuing... What the hell is this game that is played behind the scenes. It was not just simply killing a terrorist... it was a sign of some policy which for the some reasons is not publicly discussed. It is Israeli govt right not to talk about it, but it's still my right to wonder...
First they negotiate with sworn terrorist organization about exchanging the 100+ real terrorists of Hamas and Islamic Jihad (didn't Yassin know about it?, didn't has he to approve this?) for 3 bodies and allegedly an israeli agent (who knew much, but..... I don't believe he didn't spoke as questioned by Hamas). What was the real deal here? Who was to gain from it, except the Hamas got back many of his trained terrorists back? Some clan within Hamas? Some fraction of it?

Now Israeli forces kill Yassin... What for? Who was to gain from this? For whom could he be a obstacle? It is obvious that he was somehow a head of the terrorist group, but without killing his "operatives" (who planned and organized the terrorist attacks) how one expect that it is a major blow for the terrorists.

Citizen-k suggestion that it may be some attempt to turn the situation in some more acceptable direction... may be a good clue. It is possible that Israeli have found someone within Hamas who has made some promises in exchange for "removing" Yassin. This would mean that Sharon is trying to deal with the "devil" and he has found some "own sonnovabitch" whom he expects to do smth. Question is then, what could such a "own Hamas ass*hole" promise to Sharon? Is he going to keep his promise? And last but not least....has Hamas anything that Sharon wants except of the organization suicide?

Or is it an attempt to spread doubts amongst the hamas members - that someone is trying to deal with Israel. Such a move could ignite a "traitormania" within Hamas and temporarily (not permanantly) to weaken it.

Both theories are very weak and are based only on speculations, but I really see no satisfying explanation of the strange twists in Israeli policy of last few months. First they deal with murderers and despite bomb attacks they meet the deal terms... :roll: then they kill one (important.... but really THE most important?) of the Hamas leaders... What is the logic behind this?

There must be some... any ideas gentlemen?

[Adri]

-Syria is still this peace loving and democratic country (lol), that beside hiding the Iraks WMD, trying to keep it s own (more than 200 scuds B) of range from anyone susceptible of asking accountancy on the BAATHIST governement human right record, the occupation of the totality of Lebanon, the crushing of anykind of demonstration other than the ones claiming the mass adoration for it`s leader, BASHAR AL ASSAD.


and you have any proof ?
don't post somting you can't prove or someting The Sun writes...

[Truthsayer]

That is how this forum works.

Anything FOX posts = 'Da Holy Truth'.

Anything CNN, BBC, REUTER or other non-right-wing or euro-papers publish: Liberal-communist-gay-trash-papers-lies.

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Anyone standing next to an 'terrorist' (may it be kids or woman) are 'terrorist-supporters' and not even coletorell (*sp*) damage - they are 'terrorists-to-be' and everyone is happy they are dead.


Yet another moment for the leaders against world terrorism. We are one step closer to peace and stability in the world.



Or are we?

[fdt]

Locking terrorists aren't the way to deal with them . It's just giving terrorists another justification , and goal for the attacks . Like kidnaping of citiznes / soldiers , and you know the rest .
Let me give you example about the Yassin alone .
You aware that Yasin do visited Israeli prisson sence 1989 (guess why ) . During his imprisonment , an Israeli soldier , Nahshon Vaksman was kidnapped on his way home , by Hamas members , in order to make "bargoning deal " . You give us Yassin , we give you Vaksman . The soldier were killed in rescue operation .
That's just an example conserning Yassin himself . It's actually a preffered method of Hamas, and it's considered to be a top "military" operation for them (kidnapping) .
All agreed, but instead of locking them and tempting terrorists to kidnap people for exchange and then releasing murderers according to deals with terrorists... Can't You just decently lock them, giv'em a fair trial and then civilized way hang or fry them? Simple thing, introduce the CP for terrorism... No more unholy deals needed. No more saying we must kill them secretly because otherwise we will have to lock them and tempt the others to kidnap our people for exchange.

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this suprised me



http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/meast/03/22/hamas.reaction/vert.story.straw.brussels.a.jpg
Straw: Killing of Yassin was unacceptable and unjustified.


British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, arriving in Brussels for a European Union meeting on terrorism, said Israel had a right to defend itself against terrorism but had to act within international law.

"It is not entitled to go for this kind of unlawful killing, and we therefore condemn it," he told reporters.

"It's unacceptable, it's unjustified, and it's very unlikely to achieve its objective."

from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/03/22/hamas.reaction/

[S'13]

this suprised me



http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/meast/03/22/hamas.reaction/vert.story.straw.brussels.a.jpg
Straw: Killing of Yassin was unacceptable and unjustified.


British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, arriving in Brussels for a European Union meeting on terrorism, said Israel had a right to defend itself against terrorism but had to act within international law.

"It is not entitled to go for this kind of unlawful killing, and we therefore condemn it," he told reporters.

"It's unacceptable, it's unjustified, and it's very unlikely to achieve its objective."

from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/03/22/hamas.reaction/

What's suprising about it?

[fdt]

That is how this forum works.

Anything FOX posts = 'Da Holy Truth'.

Anything CNN, BBC, REUTER or other non-right-wing or euro-papers publish: Liberal-communist-gay-trash-papers-lies.


Don't read the comments or speculations. Read about facts and try to figure out own conclusion.


Anyone standing next to an 'terrorist' (may it be kids or woman) are 'terrorist-supporters' and not even coletorell (*sp*) damage - they are 'terrorists-to-be' and everyone is happy they are dead.
Yet another moment for the leaders against world terrorism. We are one step closer to peace and stability in the world.
Or are we?

- I got the technical question. How may yards from the terrorist should one stay if he would not be mistaken for the "terrorist to be"? Exactly, whats the number...(you may give me the measurement in meters... no problem) ??

- Referring to above, for whose deaths can I safely rejoice in the name of all mankind? How many yards/meters should stay the innocent civilian from terrorist that I could mourn him in the name of all mankind?

We are one step closer.... agree.... but I still have no idea, what to?

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What's suprising about it?

I didn't expect it from the government, it gives ammunition to the anti-war protestors, why support the US and not Israel. Meaning accusations of double-standards, giving in to US pressure etc..

[cut]

That is how this forum works.

Anything FOX posts = 'Da Holy Truth'.

Anything CNN, BBC, REUTER or other non-right-wing or euro-papers publish: Liberal-communist-gay-trash-papers-lies.



fox is murdoch, and murdoch sides with whoever is in power

and if it's anything like sky it's sensationalist

[fdt]

Sorry, twice the same post...

[wulfstan]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39746000/jpg/_39746603_yassin_ap203index.jpg

They killed Saruman! There's gonna be trouble. :|

[mustamato]

Oh my God I can´t understand how stupid the Israelis are. That old fart would
have died by natural causes soon anyway, now they made a martyr of him,
and he will be a hero for decades, not only for the Palestinians, but for leftists
around the world. :cantbeli:

Just a side-note, a couple of hundred people were arrested in Stockholm yesterday
after a anti-Israeli protest had turned out violent. Luckily the Israelis didn´t kill
him one day earlier, could have been even worse then.

http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/11/79/61/5d6ec49e.jpgPolice have arrested a demonstrator

http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/11/79/72/4c748f43.jpg
... the result of a paintbomb thrown against the police

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Oh my God I can´t understand how stupid the Israelis are. That old fart would
have died by natural causes soon anyway, now they made a martyr of him,
and he will be a hero for decades, not only for the Palestinians, but for leftists
around the world. :cantbeli:

Just a side-note, a couple of hundred people were arrested in Stockholm yesterday
after a anti-Israeli protest had turned out violent. Luckily the Israelis didn´t kill
him one day earlier, could have been even worse then.

don't get too excited

[S'13]

That old fart would have died by natural causes soon anyway

He was only 67, so I doubt it...

[mustamato]

don't get too excited

Well, the Israeli civilians is going to shed their blood for this. Sharon sure makes their life exciting eh?

[S'13]

don't get too excited

Well, the Israeli civilians is going to shed their blood for this. Sharon sure makes their life exciting eh?

As if it makes a difference, if we stop attacking the terrorists, they will stop murdering our civilians... Give me a break. :roll:

[sierraone]

Well I am not too surprised Jack Straw said that..The EU wants to be seen to operate with strict legal limits and state-sponsored assasination is always frowned upon. Also what effect it has in reducing/increasing terrorism remains to be seen. The same article mentions that Saruman was dedicated to the destruction of Israel so he wasn't important to peace negotiations anyway and what Straw says is BS but I take it as window dressing. The western leaders condemn openly but inwardly think hopefully it will divert a suicide bomber to Tel Aviv instead of London for the time being.

If as some guy in here speculated it causes Hamas to split up and die even better. If no-one else in Hamas can plan and organise bombings still better. If someone else takes his place he might be kebabed too hopefully and the job stays vacant for good still better.

If there are more suicide bombings how long the 'more' will last? They will happen anyway. The israelis think 'we gain nothing we lose nothing'. There might be an increase in frequency or there might be one in retaliation. They do bombing whether it is retaliation for something or not. What the heck?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

If someone else takes his place he might be kebabed too hopefully and the job stays vacant for good still better.
Despite the high rate of churn there seems to be no shortage of the willing.

[sierraone]

If someone else takes his place he might be kebabed too hopefully and the job stays vacant for good still better.
Despite the high rate of churn there seems to be no shortage of the willing.

well it still better if they get martyred trying to step into his wheelchair rather than a busy cafeteria or bus stop..

[hey]

It seems that some of the people here fail to understand that their is no such thing as "circule of violence". there is no even one terror attack that planed and exectued as a resualt of assiantion of a hamas or jihad islamic terrorist. those attacks would happen etherway. the revenge factor is just some kind of exuse (that the terror gourps cant allways use cause not all their actions are close chornoligecly to an israeli assaention, so sometimes they make it up or say that they did it in on an importent date for them) .

*sorry on the bad english ;)

[sierraone]

It seems that some of the people here fail to understand that their is no such thing as "circule of violence". there is no even one terror attack that planed and exectued as a resualt of assiantion of a hamas or jihad islamic terrorist. those attacks would happen etherway. the revenge factor is just some kind of exuse (that the terror gourps cant allways use cause not all their actions are close chornoligecly to an israeli assaention, so sometimes they make it up or say that they did it in on an importent date for them) .

*sorry on the bad english ;)

Isn't that exactly what I said earlier only in better english?

[mustamato]

It seems that some of the people here fail to understand that their is no such thing as "circule of violence". there is no even one terror attack that planed and exectued as a resualt of assiantion of a hamas or jihad islamic terrorist. those attacks would happen etherway. the revenge factor is just some kind of exuse (that the terror gourps cant allways use cause not all their actions are close chornoligecly to an israeli assaention, so sometimes they make it up or say that they did it in on an importent date for them) .

*sorry on the bad english ;)

Lets take it down to a more individual level, some dude would rape and kill
your girlfriend. Of course you would like to whoop him a new asshole, revenge
is one of the most basic features built in with every man. Like it or not.

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Blair condemns Hamas chief death



No 10 has condemned the killing of Ahmed Yassin as "a setback... there is no point in pretending otherwise".
The spiritual head of the Palestinian militant group Hamas died after being hit by an Israeli missile.

The attack which came as the leader returned from a mosque in Gaza, also killed eight others and wounded many. The killing has sparked huge protests.

Tony Blair's official spokesman said: "It goes without saying that the PM condemns today's killings."

He added: "We repeatedly made clear our opposition to Israel's use of targeted killings, but equally we recognise Israel's right to protect itself from terror.

"But any steps should be within international law and should not be disproportionate or excessive."

No carte blanche

Earlier, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who is in Brussels for EU talks on counter-terrorism, called for restraint on both sides.

"All of us understand Israel's need to defend itself against terrorism which affects it, within international law."


The only resolution of the problem in the Middle East is going to be through talks and that solution is further away now than ever
Michael Ancram
Shadow foreign secretary
But he said this did not entitle Israel to carry out "this kind of unlawful killing, which we all condemn".

"It is unacceptable, unjust and very unlikely to achieve [Israel's] objectives," he said.

Shadow foreign secretary Michael Ancram said the killing of Ahmed Yassin represented a "regrettable escalation" of violence in the Middle East.

"I quite accept the right of countries to protect their citizens and this man may well have been the instigator of many terrorist acts against Israel, but I think the sadness of this is ... there is no military solution to this," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"The only resolution of the problem in the Middle East is going to be through talks and that solution is further away now than ever."

Confidence building

Mr Ancram said everyone knew the answer to the Middle East situation was a "secure" Israel and a "viable" Palestinian state alongside it on the West Bank.

Once the peace process resumed, America, the UK and other parts of Europe, "have a role in encouraging that dialogue forward", he said.

"But I don't believe you can fight your way to the [negotiating] table, that you can actually bomb, shoot or kill your way to the table.


The killing of Sheikh Yassin in this way will put back for months any prospect of negotiation
Sir Menzies Campbell
Lib Dems
"I think it has to be done by building confidence and restoring confidence and I'm afraid what has happened today is the antithesis of this," Mr Ancram added.

Sir Menzies Campbell MP, foreign affairs spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, said: "It is hard to think of a more provocative act than this. Assassination as an instrument of foreign policy is illegal, and has a long history of making matters worse.

"The killing of Sheikh Yassin in this way will put back for months any prospect of negotiation."

Anas Altikriti, senior spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain, said: "We welcome the comments by the Foreign Secretary Jack Straw this morning and the condemnation that has been expressed throughout the world."


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk_politics/3556753.stm

Published: 2004/03/22 12:51:03 GMT



What has the white house said about it?

[mustamato]

What has the white house said about it?

Nothing yet. I take that as "it was idiotic but we must show that we still are
friends and will invite Sharon for some Texas barbacue this summer as well".

They are just trying to find the right words now that are "naughty naughty boy,
but it´s okey, remember 9/11 and the war on terror". I bet it will be Ari Fleischer
that is sent up to say it as well :)

[sierraone]

Anas Altikriti, senior spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain, said: "We welcome the comments by the Foreign Secretary Jack Straw this morning and the condemnation that has been expressed throughout the world."


I don't even need to go into muslim-bashing here do I?
By they way Altikriti doesn't mean 'from Tikrit'? -Saddam's birthplace and clan base? :|

[Truthsayer]

It seems that some of the people here fail to understand that their is no such thing as "circule of violence". there is no even one terror attack that planed and exectued as a resualt of assiantion of a hamas or jihad islamic terrorist. those attacks would happen etherway. the revenge factor is just some kind of exuse (that the terror gourps cant allways use cause not all their actions are close chornoligecly to an israeli assaention, so sometimes they make it up or say that they did it in on an importent date for them) .

*sorry on the bad english ;)

If there is no circle of violance or revenge - why do the israeli army attack targets by air [and so on] after large suicide-bombings and so on?

Bulldozing the house of relatives to an dead suicide-bomber [without any trial or anything] smells revenge to me...

I can't garantée that Hamas reacts upon feelings of revenge [too], but can you claim otherwise?



Violence feeds violence.

[sierraone]

If there is no circle of violance or revenge - why do the israeli army attack targets by air [and so on] after large suicide-bombings and so on?

Bulldozing the house of relatives to an dead suicide-bomber [without any trial or anything] smells revenge to me...

I can't garantée that Hamas reacts upon feelings of revenge [too], but can you claim otherwise?



Violence feeds violence.

Revenge by the Israelis would be to kill 15-20 civilians on purpose...

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What has the white house said about it?

Nothing yet. I take that as "it was idiotic but we must show that we still are
friends and will invite Sharon for some Texas barbacue this summer as well".

They are just trying to find the right words now that are "naughty naughty boy,
but it´s okey, remember 9/11 and the war on terror". I bet it will be Ari Fleischer
that is sent up to say it as well :)

all they have said so far is that they weren't involved.

[fdt]

What has the white house said about it?

Nothing yet. I take that as "it was idiotic but we must show that we still are
friends and will invite Sharon for some Texas barbacue this summer as well".

They are just trying to find the right words now that are "naughty naughty boy,
but it´s okey, remember 9/11 and the war on terror". I bet it will be Ari Fleischer
that is sent up to say it as well :)I would rather like to hear smth from Scott McLellan than from Ari Fleischer who since 07.2003 is "spending more time with his wife and working in the private sector". :D Ari would be a interesting person to hear, only if You assume that it might be Yassin who was involved with Ari's wife...

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he quit at the same time as alister campbell

[sierraone]

who cares!! i am glad another islamic murderous psychopath is evaporated without meaning he took another 15 innocents with him..wheelchair or no bloody wheelchair....

PS can't believe the likeness to Saruman..really funny...!

[Caesar]

I say, if this guy is a terrorist, then Sharon is a terrorist as well and deserves the same faith.

[hey]

mustamato, my point is that they would do it etherway. even if they have nothing to revenge for.. even if the situation will become better and we could see some bigger steps twoerds peace (happened many times), they'll continu with the terror attacks.
The problem isnt as "israelis raped my girl so i whoop them a new asshole" . It much much more bigger then that.



sierraone, sorry I didn't see it :backhand:

[16 OBr SpN]

The bastard got what he deserved. Again, some people who try to find excuse to HAMAS or accuse Israelis, should think of all the families that lost their loved ones by the hand of that scum.

[sierraone]

I say, if this guy is a terrorist, then Sharon is a terrorist as well and deserves the same faith.

Do you really now? who gives a **** what you say? you are an idiot too: 'deserves the same faith'... :oops:

[cut]

The bastard got what he deserved. Again, some people who try to find excuse to HAMAS or accuse Israelis, should think of all the families that lost their loved ones by the hand of that scum.

yeah but you could say that about a lot of leaders, even, god forbid, President Bush. I think more countries would condone it if it wasn't blatent state-sponsered assasination.

[ShadowNeo]

To be honest, IMO, it seems to have been a slightly drastic course of action.

It seems that they've killed a pretty big bee but severely pissed off the beehive. I sincerely hope that this action has done something to quell the violence in the long term, but inevitably those who made this decision will be judged on the severity of future attacks in Israel

Perhaps the anger being shown right now is all smoke and no flames (I hope it is) but it does not seem to bode well.

[Caesar]

I say, if this guy is a terrorist, then Sharon is a terrorist as well and deserves the same faith.

Do you really now? who gives a **** what you say? you are an idiot too: 'deserves the same faith'... :oops:

You say that because you know it's true. I don't completely agree with what Marmot said earlier, but for that part, I entirely agree. They are both terrorists (considering both sides in this war...)

And since this is a public forum, I will continue to say what I want. I think this is a big bg mistake made by IDF, but you got to live with the consequences...

[S'13]

People seem to forget that only about a week ago Hamas sent two suicied bombers to Ashdod port where they murdered ten people, their main goal was to blow up tanks filled with hazardous substances. Isn't that an action that is wreathe of an appropriate response? This terrorist was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Israelis and if not for the action taking by the IDF today, hundreds of more...

[S'13]

I say, if this guy is a terrorist, then Sharon is a terrorist as well and deserves the same faith.

Do you really now? who gives a **** what you say? you are an idiot too: 'deserves the same faith'... :oops:

You say that because you know it's true. I don't completely agree with what Marmot said earlier, but for that part, I entirely agree. They are both terrorists (considering both sides in this war...)

And since this is a public forum, I will continue to say what I want. I think this is a big bg mistake made by IDF, but you got to live with the consequences...

Well maybe you could explain whay you think this...

[mustamato]

People seem to forget that only about a week ago Hamas sent two suicied bombers to Ashdod port where they murdered ten people, their main goal was to blow up tanks filled with hazardous substances. Isn't that an action that is wreathe of an appropriate response? This terrorist was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Israelis and if not for the action taking by the IDF today, hundreds of more...

And wasn´t it about one week ago when 18 Palestinians got killed when Israeli
troops entered a refugee camp to destroy houses? People dying in this intifada
is nothing new, but killing of high-value and symbolic targets like that is.

[hey]

You say that because you know it's true. I don't completely agree with what Marmot said earlier, but for that part, I entirely agree. They are both terrorists (considering both sides in this war...)


can you explain on what basis you say this statement?

[IDFM203]

Wow already SOME (not all) of the usual terrorists (err “freedom fighters” who mostly target civilians) sympathizers are out here in force rationalizing and condemning blah balh……oh well :roll:


Here let me IMO dispel a favorite leftist (or anti Israel/Jewish) myth.

Yep that favorite myth that Israel was not smart to do this because it just creates more blah blah blah……

It’s a myth for it doesn’t recognize the reality that it didn’t matter what Israel did or didn’t do, and that not killing him didn’t prevent any motivation by these homicide bombers and thier planners that hamas and others have to carry out attacks.

The fact that yesterday and the day before for example there were no homicide bombings had nothing to do with hamas being strategic or anything or simply wating for a revenge opportunity as a BS excuse but rather all to do with those particular days (as has been since the IDF got tough a little over two years ago) either some of them getting caught on their way (which happens all the time, but isn’t as widely reported) due to a wide IDF presnce and inteligence network or when some set out, they saw too big of a IDF presence to block them on their way to target Israeli civilians. (or this anti terroist secuirty fence when though its no completed, it has already prevented some from getting in)

What I am saying is that there is no hamas revenge campaigns, no it’s a systematic campaign that goes on no matter what and when there are periods of quiet its not because they decided on that but rather because WE prevented them from succeeding and getting through.

I have gone over this before, since a little over two years ago when the IDF went in till now, there has been a 50 percent reduction in the number of homicide bombings as compared to before when it was almost a daily or weekly occurrence to now a monthly one(this is certainly true of last year as compared to the years before)

Can some still get in, yes, as we saw in that attack at the port a week ago which was supposed to be a mega attack aimed to cause mass civilian casualties, for its impossible to stop a 100 percent, but did the IDF reduce it significantly overall yes as well.

Ok lets break it down……………..

Will hamas now try to go after Israelis after this attack, yes

If there were no attack would they have tried to go after Israelis, yes

Will this double their efforts..arguable but more likely no…why? Because their efforts have ALREADY been double and triple for a while now.

The strike made no difference in their motivation and determination to go after Israeli civilians…… no difference!!

Homicide bombers were lining up as it was before and this notion that say yesterday there were ten willing participants and now there are 20 as a result is a fallacy for yesterday there was already that 20 (again the numbers are not representative of the true number which are much more higher)

With that knowledge in hand, the strike was a good thing for the massage that Israel sent is clear, anyone, no matter who, that is part of a terrorist’s organization, that for the most part purposely and intentionally targets civilians, should never expect that Israel wont go after them to stop them.


Further is that the message is that unlike in the times of yesteryear, where Jews went like sheep to be slaughtered without ever defending themselves or going after those that killed them, now those times are long gone, and Israel will not lie like sheep to a slaughter any more and those that go after our civilians will be hunted down and stopped and killed.

No nation in the world would not go after those that constantly go after its civilians and certainly no other nation in the world would expect to be condemned after they killed a leader of just such a organization.


Lastly it very important to remind everyone what hamas’s goals are, and this is in their explicit charter and they mention it all the time (its not something I am making up) but their goal is not to end any occupation of the 1967 borders and then there will be peace, no they want the whole Israel, the 1948 borders….or even more, they want an Islamic fundamentalist state in place of the whole Israel and as such that is what they are fighting for. Its important to those that believe this is a “just” resistance movement (well I guess that those that believe in their cause of the 1948 borders and their targeteding of civilians, will call it just :roll: ) for just those 1967 borders when it is not and no matter what Israel does or doesnt do, and even if it pulls out of those 1967 borders, it wont matter for they will still fight and target civilians in their ultimate goal and as such Israel has no choice but to defend it self and one of the methods is going after them to disrupt and prevent their efforts


Just one Reponses to one member

I saw a member (I believe it was “cut”) be surprised at some Europe (or British ) condemnation of Israel and all I can say, what? That’s surprising… :roll: no mister, thats routine!! what would be surprising is if they applauded it just like Israel and others would applaud any of their nations killing osama bin louden or any of their terrorist leaders that plague them.

But of course the double standard continues, which is NOT surprising.

Shalom on this very good day :D

[Caesar]

I say, if this guy is a terrorist, then Sharon is a terrorist as well and deserves the same faith.

Do you really now? who gives a **** what you say? you are an idiot too: 'deserves the same faith'... :oops:

You say that because you know it's true. I don't completely agree with what Marmot said earlier, but for that part, I entirely agree. They are both terrorists (considering both sides in this war...)

And since this is a public forum, I will continue to say what I want. I think this is a big bg mistake made by IDF, but you got to live with the consequences...

Well maybe you could explain whay you think this...

I already said my opinion, now put on glasses and re-read it.

[Groove]

GJ IDF ! Congrats ! woot

[Caesar]

You say that because you know it's true. I don't completely agree with what Marmot said earlier, but for that part, I entirely agree. They are both terrorists (considering both sides in this war...)


can you explain on what basis you say this statement?

Well considering that Hitler was the bad guy for the allies and Churchill/Roosevelt were the bad guys for the German during WW2...

Hamas arranged mass suicides missions bombers and Sharon sends chopers back killing more people.

That's why I said, "for both sides".

[sierraone]

well you haven't explained anything...how is Sharon a terrorist? the civilians he has killed have not been targets...hamas henchmen shouldn't shield themselves behing children..

And wasn´t it about one week ago when 18 Palestinians got killed when Israeli
troops entered a refugee camp to destroy houses? what?? where??

[sierraone]

You say that because you know it's true. I don't completely agree with what Marmot said earlier, but for that part, I entirely agree. They are both terrorists (considering both sides in this war...)


can you explain on what basis you say this statement?

Well considering that Hitler was the bad guy for the allies and Churchill/Roosevelt were the bad guys for the German during WW2...
therefore Sharon is a terrorist too!

That is the most ridiculous, moronic, criminally idiotic statement I have ever heard in my entire life... rofl

[Caesar]

well you haven't explained anything...how is Sharon a terrorist? the civilians he has killed have not been targets...hamas henchmen shouldn't shield themselves behing children..

You know like me what Sharon accomplished as a soldier and now, as a prime minister. I don't want to argue more about that. Now, don't tell me he's clean...

[Navy]

Guys...i really dont see what the problem is.

The guy is old. So what? Should we stop hunting bin laden when he turns 80?
He IS a terrorist and deserv nothing then death.

Agree?

[Caesar]

You say that because you know it's true. I don't completely agree with what Marmot said earlier, but for that part, I entirely agree. They are both terrorists (considering both sides in this war...)


can you explain on what basis you say this statement?

Well considering that Hitler was the bad guy for the allies and Churchill/Roosevelt were the bad guys for the German during WW2...
therefore Sharon is a terrorist too!

That is the most ridiculous, moronic, criminally idiotic statement I have ever heard in my entire life... rofl

It's not about the fact he's a terrorist or not, but about the perception of the Palestinians. They see him as a terrorist. Anyway, terrorist seems to to be a very vast term now.

[MEGR]

He had it coming.

[S'13]

And wasn´t it about one week ago when 18 Palestinians got killed when Israeli
troops entered a refugee camp to destroy houses?

Hmm, lets see, if these Palestinians were non combatants then they weren't killed deliberately.
The people killed in Ashdod were deliberately murdered, see the difference?
As for the houses, the IDF doesn't destroy houses just for the sake of it (else there wouldn't be a house standing in the territories, belive me).



People dying in this intifada is nothing new, but killing of high-value and symbolic targets like that is.

Well here is a news flash for you: Israel won't tolerate having its civilians murdered, and if you had paid more attention to my post you would have noticed that I mention that the terrorist tried to carry out terror attack of mass proportions (trying to blow up tanks filled with hazardous substances), is that common?

[Mr. Nielsen]

I have gone over this before, since a little over two years ago when the IDF went in till now, there has been a 50 percent reduction in the number of homicide bombings as compared to before when it was almost a daily or weekly occurrence to now a monthly one(this is certainly true of last year as compared to the years before)

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference.



But of course the double standard continues, which is NOT surprising.

Shalom on this very good day :D

Double standards go both ways.

[Steve Andrews]

The spiritual figurehead of a terrorist organisation is dead.
Would you moaning if it was Bin Laden?

[sierraone]

Well considering that Hitler was the bad guy for the allies and Churchill/Roosevelt were the bad guys for the German during WW2...

That's why I said, "for both sides".

..and because of what they were accusing each other of, you can't tell who was the bad guy eh?

Dude just watch what you are saying otherwise you got to dig yourself out of a deep one..

[IDFM203]

I have gone over this before, since a little over two years ago when the IDF went in till now, there has been a 50 percent reduction in the number of homicide bombings as compared to before when it was almost a daily or weekly occurrence to now a monthly one(this is certainly true of last year as compared to the years before)

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference. I have gone over this before so I am not going to do all the researche to find the articles but they are there. (these statistics have been in a lot of the Israeli papers, even the “leftist” ones

There have been a 50 percent reduction in the number of attacks in Israel in the last year for sure and the year before as compared to before that.

Yes right after operation defensive shield the number wasnt down for guess what, Israel pulled back out...my above statements hold more true after Israel went back in the second time and stayed till now....

Before Israel went in and stayed (for these figures should really be counted after Israel stayed and not right after defensive shield when then after Israel pulled out and the attacks went back up) there were a homicide bombings almost daily and weekly (and even some two a day) and there were also constant shooting attacks on Israeli settlements, towns, civilians and cars to where now the rate of “successful” homicide bombings is at a monthly occurrence and shooting attack is even much less. (and with the completion of the anti terrorist security fence, it will even be reduced more)



But of course the double standard continues, which is NOT surprising.

Shalom on this very good day :D

Double standards go both ways. [/quote] double standards always go a lot of ways and always depending on a pint of view but for the most part, when Israel defends itself or goes after a terrorist leader where for the most part, that organization targets civilians, most of the world condoms it but when any of those nations go after a terrorist leader that plagues them, the world applauds them as will happen when any nation kills osama bin louden.

[Caesar]

Well considering that Hitler was the bad guy for the allies and Churchill/Roosevelt were the bad guys for the German during WW2...

That's why I said, "for both sides".

..and because of what they were accusing each other of, you can't tell who was the bad guy eh?

Dude just watch what you are saying otherwise you got to dig yourself out of a deep one..

I didnt say who was the bad guy. Re-read my last messages. They both have to be blamed for their acts. Dont make false assumptions. All I say is, considering the perceptions, they both are terrorists. And this is true, stop arguing about that.

[S'13]

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference.


Let me help you...

453 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2002 (the year of Operation Defensive Shield)

213 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2003

[MEGR]

The Palestinians don't understand peace, they only understand force.

[Caesar]

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference.


Let me help you...

453 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2002 (the year of Operation Defensive Shield)

213 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2003

Do you have statistics of palestinians murdered during 2002-03?

[citizen-k]

Riots in heaven!!!!

Martyrs are attacking Yassin: "Where are all the things you promised us?!!?"

rofl

[citizen-k]

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference.


Let me help you...

453 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2002 (the year of Operation Defensive Shield)

213 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2003

Do you have statistics of palestinians murdered during 2002-03?

0

Israelis don't kill for fun - and no, not even for freedom.

(ask the british how many buses were blown up in London by Jews during the 40's)

[MEGR]

All those so called Martyrs, and Mr. Yassin are burning in hell.

[Russian Texan]

Timely intelligence, great shooting. Congrats to Israelis., we all could learn from them.

[MEGR]

Did the Israelis use the Apache or the Cobra?

[citizen-k]

Timely intelligence, great shooting. Congrats to Israelis., we all could learn from them.

How can you not love Russians? :hug:

[S'13]

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference.


Let me help you...

453 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2002 (the year of Operation Defensive Shield)

213 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2003

Do you have statistics of palestinians murdered during 2002-03?

I wouldn't use the term 'murdered' but killed since Palestinians killed in this conflict were either killed unintentionaly or in clashes.
I don't know how it is relevant to the debate, I'm sure you can bring these statistics yourself however the numbers the Palestinians give are not to be taken seriously.

[Caesar]

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference.


Let me help you...

453 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2002 (the year of Operation Defensive Shield)

213 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2003

Do you have statistics of palestinians murdered during 2002-03?

0

Israelis don't kill for fun - and no, not even for freedom.

(ask the british how many buses were blown up in London by Jews during the 40's)

Ok let me rephrase my question.

How many palestinians were killed during 2002-03 as reprisals to attacks?

[citizen-k]

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference.


Let me help you...

453 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2002 (the year of Operation Defensive Shield)

213 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2003

Do you have statistics of palestinians murdered during 2002-03?

0

Israelis don't kill for fun - and no, not even for freedom.

(ask the british how many buses were blown up in London by Jews during the 40's)

Ok let me rephrase my question.

How many palestinians were killed during 2002-03 as reprisals to attacks?

Again, 0

The IDF is doing as best as it can not to heart civilians - but when a bomb is traveling on its way to Tel-Aviv sometimes it ends up with dead civilians.

(As an Israeli I prefer 100 Palestinians dead over one Israeli kid - I hope you don't mind)

[obd]

I love how Marmet tries to tell us all that it was cowardly for the Israeli's to attack him because he was unarmed. I hate to break it to you Marmot, but often in the world the men most deserving of death and the men with the most blood on thier hands walk around unarmed because they are too cowardly to do the killing themselves and just order others to do it for them. Yassin was just such a man.

Here is a fact for you Marmot: The Israeli military is tasked with closing with and destroying the eemies of the Israeli people. Yassin was a great enemy of the Israeli people as he was the inspirational spirit behind many suicide attacks on Jewish women and children. Taking him out was not only a brave attack, it was demanded by the IDF's mission statement of protecting Israeli people from terrorists.

Yassin was a terror leader. He helped provide the ideoogical underpinning of Palestinian terror attacks. Thus he was even more dangerous and deadly than 1,2,10,100, 1,000 Palestinina militants armed wiht Ak-47.

I hate to break it to you Marmot, but your logic about only shooting an armed man is dead wrong. Did Milosevich ever walk around armed? (killed thousands in Kosovo, Albania, etc) Nope. Did Pol Pot ever walk arond armed?(kiled million in Cambodia) nope. Did Farrah Aidid ever walk around armed (killed 300,000 in Somalia) NOPE. Did Hitler walk around with an assault rilfe (killed many millions across Europe) nope. Did Saddam Hussein always walk around armed? (killed hundreds of thousands) Nope.

Well there you go marmot. I guess if you defend Yassin b/c he wasnt armed than you had better be consistent and defend Hitler and Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein and Mohamed Farrah Aided and every other ruthless dictatorial terrorist madman the world has ever seen!!!!

IDIOT

[Caesar]

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference.


Let me help you...

453 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2002 (the year of Operation Defensive Shield)

213 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2003

Do you have statistics of palestinians murdered during 2002-03?

0

Israelis don't kill for fun - and no, not even for freedom.

(ask the british how many buses were blown up in London by Jews during the 40's)

Ok let me rephrase my question.

How many palestinians were killed during 2002-03 as reprisals to attacks?

Again, 0

The IDF is doing as best as it can not to heart civilians - but when a bomb is traveling on its way to Tel-Aviv sometimes it ends up with dead civilians.

(As an Israeli I prefer 100 Palestinians dead over one Israeli kid - I hope you don't mind)

Yeah, I'd like to know if you have those stats. And don't tell me 0 if 2 sentences bellow, you are talking about dead civilians. It's simple question, if you don't know, just say it.

And about your last sentence, I understand.

[citizen-k]

I'm a little confused about this statement which you have made on several occasions. When I look at the number os Israelis killed in the months before and after Defensive Shield Operation, I can't see much difference.


Let me help you...

453 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2002 (the year of Operation Defensive Shield)

213 Israelis murdered in terrorist attacks during 2003

Do you have statistics of palestinians murdered during 2002-03?

0

Israelis don't kill for fun - and no, not even for freedom.

(ask the british how many buses were blown up in London by Jews during the 40's)

Ok let me rephrase my question.

How many palestinians were killed during 2002-03 as reprisals to attacks?

Again, 0

The IDF is doing as best as it can not to heart civilians - but when a bomb is traveling on its way to Tel-Aviv sometimes it ends up with dead civilians.

(As an Israeli I prefer 100 Palestinians dead over one Israeli kid - I hope you don't mind)

Yeah, I'd like to know if you have those stats. And don't tell me 0 if 2 sentences bellow, you are talking about dead civilians. It's simple question, if you don't know, just say it.

And about your last sentence, I understand.

0 were killed as reprisals to attacks...

The IDF is not bombing/firing/shelling as reprisals to attacks.

And yes - 0 is the number of Palestinians who were killed by the IDF for fun/reprisal/genocide

All Palestinian deaths were inevitable in operational matter.

I don't get it, where is the fun in playing it dumb, huh? :cantbeli:

[HELEX]

Wow, they killed an old man in a Wheelchair... :cantbeli:

Superheros :roll:

The IDF can kill every Palestinian they want, so what is the point? They can kill Arafat any time they want. Will it change something? No, they cant kill palestinians without Names.

[citizen-k]

Wow, they killed an old man in a Wheelchair... :cantbeli:

Superheros :roll:

The IDF can kill every Palestinian they want, so what is the point? They can kill Arafat any time they want. Will it change something? No, they cant kill palestinians without Names.

This "old man in a Wheelchair" planned 425 terror attacks which killed 377 people.

Yes, it will make a change - Israel is attacking the leaders of those TERROR organizations in order to give the Palestinians people an opportunity to have a normal leadership which will lead them towards peace.

[gilgoul]

Wow already SOME (not all) of the usual terrorists (err “freedom fighters” who mostly target civilians) sympathizers are out here in force rationalizing and condemning blah balh……oh well :roll:


Here let me IMO dispel a favorite leftist (or anti Israel/Jewish) myth.

Yep that favorite myth that Israel was not smart to do this because it just creates more blah blah blah……

It’s a myth for it doesn’t recognize the reality that it didn’t matter what Israel did or didn’t do, and that not killing him didn’t prevent any motivation by these homicide bombers and thier planners that hamas and others have to carry out attacks.

The fact that yesterday and the day before for example there were no homicide bombings had nothing to do with hamas being strategic or anything or simply wating for a revenge opportunity as a BS excuse but rather all to do with those particular days (as has been since the IDF got tough a little over two years ago) either some of them getting caught on their way (which happens all the time, but isn’t as widely reported) due to a wide IDF presnce and inteligence network or when some set out, they saw too big of a IDF presence to block them on their way to target Israeli civilians. (or this anti terroist secuirty fence when though its no completed, it has already prevented some from getting in)

What I am saying is that there is no hamas revenge campaigns, no it’s a systematic campaign that goes on no matter what and when there are periods of quiet its not because they decided on that but rather because WE prevented them from succeeding and getting through.

I have gone over this before, since a little over two years ago when the IDF went in till now, there has been a 50 percent reduction in the number of homicide bombings as compared to before when it was almost a daily or weekly occurrence to now a monthly one(this is certainly true of last year as compared to the years before)

Can some still get in, yes, as we saw in that attack at the port a week ago which was supposed to be a mega attack aimed to cause mass civilian casualties, for its impossible to stop a 100 percent, but did the IDF reduce it significantly overall yes as well.

Ok lets break it down……………..

Will hamas now try to go after Israelis after this attack, yes

If there were no attack would they have tried to go after Israelis, yes

Will this double their efforts..arguable but more likely no…why? Because their efforts have ALREADY been double and triple for a while now.

The strike made no difference in their motivation and determination to go after Israeli civilians…… no difference!!

Homicide bombers were lining up as it was before and this notion that say yesterday there were ten willing participants and now there are 20 as a result is a fallacy for yesterday there was already that 20 (again the numbers are not representative of the true number which are much more higher)

With that knowledge in hand, the strike was a good thing for the massage that Israel sent is clear, anyone, no matter who, that is part of a terrorist’s organization, that for the most part purposely and intentionally targets civilians, should never expect that Israel wont go after them to stop them.


Further is that the message is that unlike in the times of yesteryear, where Jews went like sheep to be slaughtered without ever defending themselves or going after those that killed them, now those times are long gone, and Israel will not lie like sheep to a slaughter any more and those that go after our civilians will be hunted down and stopped and killed.

No nation in the world would not go after those that constantly go after its civilians and certainly no other nation in the world would expect to be condemned after they killed a leader of just such a organization.


Lastly it very important to remind everyone what hamas’s goals are, and this is in their explicit charter and they mention it all the time (its not something I am making up) but their goal is not to end any occupation of the 1967 borders and then there will be peace, no they want the whole Israel, the 1948 borders….or even more, they want an Islamic fundamentalist state in place of the whole Israel and as such that is what they are fighting for. Its important to those that believe this is a “just” resistance movement (well I guess that those that believe in their cause of the 1948 borders and their targeteding of civilians, will call it just :roll: ) for just those 1967 borders when it is not and no matter what Israel does or doesnt do, and even if it pulls out of those 1967 borders, it wont matter for they will still fight and target civilians in their ultimate goal and as such Israel has no choice but to defend it self and one of the methods is going after them to disrupt and prevent their efforts


Just one Reponses to one member

I saw a member (I believe it was “cut”) be surprised at some Europe (or British ) condemnation of Israel and all I can say, what? That’s surprising… :roll: no mister, thats routine!! what would be surprising is if they applauded it just like Israel and others would applaud any of their nations killing osama bin louden or any of their terrorist leaders that plague them.

But of course the double standard continues, which is NOT surprising.

Shalom on this very good day :D


woot מה לעסוף?

[MEGR]

Helix is right.. We should therefore, move all the Palastinians outta Israel.

[VISTREL]

omg they killed Saruman!

[sierraone]

Well considering that Hitler was the bad guy for the allies and Churchill/Roosevelt were the bad guys for the German during WW2...

That's why I said, "for both sides".

..and because of what they were accusing each other of, you can't tell who was the bad guy eh?

Dude just watch what you are saying otherwise you got to dig yourself out of a deep one..

I didnt say who was the bad guy. Re-read my last messages. They both have to be blamed for their acts. Dont make false assumptions. All I say is, considering the perceptions, they both are terrorists. And this is true, stop arguing about that.

Look mate. Obviously English is not your first language or you are too thick so I will make it even plainer for you..Hitler WAS the bad guy in WWII regardless who thinks what! ok so far? Palestinians can accuse the Israelis as much as they like about them being the terrorist BUT same thing again: THEY are the terrorists OK? Screw perceptions !! I will gladly stop arguing about this thing as I want to have a decent conversation rather than teaching English!!

[citizen-k]

Well considering that Hitler was the bad guy for the allies and Churchill/Roosevelt were the bad guys for the German during WW2...

That's why I said, "for both sides".

..and because of what they were accusing each other of, you can't tell who was the bad guy eh?

Dude just watch what you are saying otherwise you got to dig yourself out of a deep one..

I didnt say who was the bad guy. Re-read my last messages. They both have to be blamed for their acts. Dont make false assumptions. All I say is, considering the perceptions, they both are terrorists. And this is true, stop arguing about that.

Look mate. Obviously English is not your first language or you are too thick so I will make it even plainer for you..Hitler WAS the bad guy in WWII regardless who thinks what! ok so far? Palestinians can accuse the Israelis as much as they like about them being the terrorist BUT same thing again: THEY are the terrorists OK? Screw perceptions !! I will gladly stop arguing about this thing as I want to have a decent conversation rather than teaching English!!

rofl

[sierraone]

Obviously little caesar and others are too entrenched and can't stick up properly for their arguments as they are too stupid as well. I personally give up!

[sierraone]

citizen-k
s'13
IDFM203

Congratulations to your armed forces and to the people of Israel and the free world. A great day for Justice!!

[ShadowNeo]

Just wondering, but how old was the guy? If is as old as he looks, could Israel have possibly brought him into custody (again) and let him spend his last years in Jail?

It would seem to me that this would have caused far less anger than what they did, and would seem slightly more pallatable (blowing up a guy in a wheelchair with a missile doesn't do much to gain support for Israel).

Just my opinions of course p-)

[HELEX]

Well, from the point of view the Palestinians have they are the good freedom fighters and Israel is the evil empire.

Think about it. If you can think... :cantbeli:

[One?]

remember when the IDF killed Abbas Al Mosawi? They thought hezbollah was over. Instead they became 300 times worst. So just by killing a paralyzed 80 year old man that doesn't mean hamas is over. It might only give them more power.

[Luxembourger]

Hasn t the world become a strange place for the last 20 years?

The world community is condemning the assassination of a real bad guy whether he is in a wheel chair or not .

In my opinion it is disgusting to hear the sadness or condemning of the death of a terrorist.....it simply makes no sense, even if you are pro pelestinian.

Next time I will beat everyone that does not like my opinion and then immediatly afterwards put myself in a wheel chair so that I am a good guy again....just kidding.

It s sure that there will be more attacks against Israel .....but if they had not killed that wheeled terroriist do you really think the terror attacks would have stopped ? The Palestinian terror groups decide whether there are more or lesss attacks against israel whether there are peace talks or not , whether they lose a leader or not......they attack whenever they want no matter the cirunstances are.

The palesitnian leader Arafat is and remains a terrorirst , and their acutal prime minister is a puppet that is not being listened to, nor by his people nor by the terror groups. It s Hamas and EL AXa brigades who decide the path of the future of Palestine,,,sad to say.......

[cut]

they should have cut his tongue out he'd have no way to preach violence against israel. That would have been far better punishment.

[S'13]

remember when the IDF killed Abbas Al Mosawi? They thought hezbollah was over. Instead they became 300 times worst. So just by killing a paralyzed 80 year old man that doesn't mean hamas is over. It might only give them more power.

Who said Hamas is over?

I think this is serious blow to Hamas since Yassin isn't someone who can be "replaced".

By the way, he was 67 years old...

[sierraone]

Hamas might not be over..but Yassin is..good riddance. By they way, any takers for the vacancy? :lol:

[Luxembourger]

they should have cut his tongue out he'd have no way to preach violence against israel. That would have been far better punishment.

yes would have been a nice diea :) but to catch him and bring him in a van and back in an israeli jail would have been tough . and then the Palestinians would have tried to free him from jail.

[S'13]

they should have cut his tongue out he'd have no way to preach violence against israel. That would have been far better punishment.

The problem is that he didn't just preach violence, he also planned attacks.

[Smintjes]

One thing is for certain now: the **** is gonna hit the fan bigtime. Wouldn't want to live in Israel now.

[sierraone]

One thing is for certain now: the **** is gonna hit the fan bigtime. Wouldn't want to live in Israel now.
newcomers to the thread..please read before you post...you might be just wasting bandwidth...

[S'13]

One thing is for certain now: the **** is gonna hit the fan bigtime. Wouldn't want to live in Israel now.

As if the terrorists weren't attacking us before...

[Luxembourger]

One thing is for certain now: the **** is gonna hit the fan bigtime. Wouldn't want to live in Israel now.

let s pray for every innocent civilian now.

[Argyll]

My take........what took you so long Israel ;)

Ok now I'm gonna get on my soapbox and give it ****!!

"For all you guys who think this was a murderous act by the Israeli's,especially the Scandanavians.........**** You!!.Perhaps when you've lived in the shadow of terrorism for so long,and had your daily life turned upside by the acts commited by Hamas and the other Palestinian factions..........then you can come here and preach about the ethics of this attack,but you live in a choclate covered world where humping your neighbours dog is part of the daily chores.You're in no position to preach about the effects of terrorism!"

steps off!

secondly to all the rest of the guys who're leaping for joy over this......spare a thought for the Israeli's who are now going to be subjected to God knows what in retribution.......the bast*rd had it coming,and I'm personally fokin delighted,but I forsee a blood fest in the making,but what a gutsy move by Sharon...........I hope he hasn't shot himself in the foot over this.

I'm posting this not as a moderator,but as an ex soldier who has spent some years combating Terrorism and terrorists......out ......foking standing job......!!!!

[cut]

they should have cut his tongue out he'd have no way to preach violence against israel. That would have been far better punishment.

The problem is that he didn't just preach violence, he also planned attacks.

how would he plan the attack without a tongue, he's paraplegic

[HELEX]

I think it is the most stupid turn Israel could do, and the history will show I was right. :cantbeli:

Even the british Goverment condemmed it.

[fantassin]

Good ridance but Israel will pay for that with a lot of blood I am afraid.

[sierraone]

I think it is the most stupid turn Israel could do, and the history will show I was right. :cantbeli:


wow!!

[S'13]

they should have cut his tongue out he'd have no way to preach violence against israel. That would have been far better punishment.

The problem is that he didn't just preach violence, he also planned attacks.

how would he plan the attack without a tongue, he's paraplegic

Probably would use a pen and paper, but that could also be fixed... ;)

[RomanS]

Israel
Once again CONGRATS on sucsesful operation!

Don't listen to Europe, its a waste of oxygen.

[cut]

listening, a waste of oxygen?

[sierraone]

Israel
Once again CONGRATS on sucsesful operation!

Don't listen to Europe, its a waste of oxygen.

what has the Russian govt said Permski?


listening, a waste of oxygen?

good one!

[Argyll]

Don't turn this into an Anti Europe thread please permski?

As for Jack Straw..................
What do you expect from a Labour Government who capitulated to the IRA,his son's a dope smoking student asshole!

[RomanS]

listening, a waste of oxygen?

yes because when you read or listen, you spend time on it. You also use oxygen to breath while you listen or read.

It is not worth it when European folks speak around here.

[sierraone]

listening, a waste of oxygen?

yes because when you read or listen, you spend time on it. You also use oxygen to breath while you listen or read.

It is not worth it when European folks speak around here.

waste of time then..you would be breathing anyway during the time it took you to listen

[Argyll]

listening, a waste of oxygen?

yes because when you read or listen, you spend time on it. You also use oxygen to breath while you listen or read.

It is not worth it when European folks speak around here.

Speak for yourself!!

[cut]

oxygen you wouldn't use otherwise?

Anyway, there's a point to be made on both sides, the europeans are looking at it in terms of getting peace in the middle east, in which case this was the wrong thing to do. The Israelis and to some extent the americans think the terrorists are bombing them so hitting back at the terrrorists is a great thing to do. Both are right.

[Caesar]

It seems this whole forum is running by jews and americans.

It would be better if we had some Arabs and Palestinians in this conversation.

[RomanS]

listening, a waste of oxygen?

yes because when you read or listen, you spend time on it. You also use oxygen to breath while you listen or read.

It is not worth it when European folks speak around here.

waste of time then..you would be breathing anyway during the time it took you to listen

no - time is something that we invented

Oxygen is a must, and more important than wasting time. I could of used it on something else more valuable.

Like now, replying here and using the oxygen that I can use to do something else - is called WASTING OXYGEN

Argyl, I am speaking for myself. Unlike the European folks when they speak for the whole world in their bs.

[sierraone]

It seems this whole forum is running by jews and americans.

i'm neither...so are most..

PS by the way that was my 100th post (thank you! thank you! you may sit down now..) :lol:

[RomanS]

It seems this whole forum is running by jews and americans.

It would be better if we had some Arabs and Palestinians in this conversation.


arabs are too busy preparing for jihad and blowing up innocent people for revenge of their leaders.

No way they would jump here on militaryphotos to participate in the conversation.

Plus all arabs have HOT temper, it would impossible to talk to them in a civil matter. They don't understand nice language.

[citizen-k]

It seems this whole forum is running by jews and americans.

It would be better if we had some Arabs and Palestinians in this conversation.

Right, we took over last week - and now we are looking for little kids, because we need blood to make matzos :cantbeli:

(passover is in 2 weeks from now... a man got to have his matzo ready)

[Argyll]

Permski there are plenty of Europeans who don't share the Governments views over this,so don't tar us all with the same brush,after all the Russian Duma(sp) condemned this act as well...........do we label the Russians the same?

To me it looks like you're attempting to start a pissing contest.....and not for the 1st time either.........this thread has Fok all to do with Russia,so let's keep it that way!


Caesar..........STFU!!!!

[sierraone]

Permski there are plenty of Europeans who don't share the Governments views over this,so don't tar us all with the same brush,after all the Russian Duma(sp) condemned this act as well...........do we label the Russians the same?

To me it looks like you're attempting to start a pissing contest.....and not for the 1st time either.........this thread has Fok all to do with Russia,so let's keep it that way!



you tell him boss! i got my thread locked because of him the other day...

[RomanS]

Permski there are plenty of Europeans who don't share the Governments views over this,so don't tar us all with the same brush,after all the Russian Duma(sp) condemned this act as well...........do we label the Russians the same?

To me it looks like you're attempting to start a pissing contest.....and not for the 1st time either.........this thread has Fok all to do with Russia,so let's keep it that way!


Caesar..........STFU!!!!


I tried to be peacful and supportive, but did it work? Did you see for yourself who started it again???

Remmember me asking everyone to drop the politics and be cool. WHAT HAPPENED?

ANother reason why I no longer will take ****, because mods don't give a shiznit either.

now back to the topic

GOOD JOB ISRAEL!

[Argyll]

Yes the Scandies.........did you not read my soapbox rant either?

[RomanS]

Scandies indeed

That is why sometiems I wish UK was not part of Europe.
I respect UK with all my heart.

[-Max2-]

I tried to be peacful and supportive, but did it work? Did you see for yourself who started it again???

Remmember me asking everyone to drop the politics and be cool. WHAT HAPPENED?



What happened ?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10688

Made by PermskiiOMON.

[sierraone]

Scandies indeed

That is why sometiems I wish UK was not part of Europe.
I respect UK with all my heart.

I respect Russia! I respect all countries..it is idiots I don't respect..

[IDFM203]

Ok I see people don’t bother to read posts and simply regurgitate their one liners that have ALREADY been fully addressed…those one liners, like it just creates more blah blah balh or that hamas will revenge blah blah blah etc……they are mere freedom fighters blah blah…….

Here is a post of mine (and some others have explained this as well) that goes over all of those points.

Wow already SOME (not all) of the usual terrorists (err “freedom fighters” who mostly target civilians) sympathizers are out here in force rationalizing and condemning blah balh……oh well :roll:


Here let me IMO dispel a favorite leftist (or anti Israel/Jewish) myth.

Yep that favorite myth that Israel was not smart to do this because it just creates more blah blah blah……

It’s a myth for it doesn’t recognize the reality that it didn’t matter what Israel did or didn’t do, and that not killing him didn’t prevent any motivation by these homicide bombers and thier planners that hamas and others have to carry out attacks.

The fact that yesterday and the day before for example there were no homicide bombings had nothing to do with hamas being strategic or anything or simply wating for a revenge opportunity as a BS excuse but rather all to do with those particular days (as has been since the IDF got tough a little over two years ago) either some of them getting caught on their way (which happens all the time, but isn’t as widely reported) due to a wide IDF presnce and inteligence network or when some set out, they saw too big of a IDF presence to block them on their way to target Israeli civilians. (or this anti terroist secuirty fence when though its no completed, it has already prevented some from getting in)

What I am saying is that there is no hamas revenge campaigns, no it’s a systematic campaign that goes on no matter what and when there are periods of quiet its not because they decided on that but rather because WE prevented them from succeeding and getting through.

I have gone over this before, since a little over two years ago when the IDF went in till now, there has been a 50 percent reduction in the number of homicide bombings as compared to before when it was almost a daily or weekly occurrence to now a monthly one(this is certainly true of last year as compared to the years before)

Can some still get in, yes, as we saw in that attack at the port a week ago which was supposed to be a mega attack aimed to cause mass civilian casualties, for its impossible to stop a 100 percent, but did the IDF reduce it significantly overall yes as well.

Ok lets break it down……………..

Will hamas now try to go after Israelis after this attack, yes

If there were no attack would they have tried to go after Israelis, yes

Will this double their efforts..arguable but more likely no…why? Because their efforts have ALREADY been double and triple for a while now.

The strike made no difference in their motivation and determination to go after Israeli civilians…… no difference!!

Homicide bombers were lining up as it was before and this notion that say yesterday there were ten willing participants and now there are 20 as a result is a fallacy for yesterday there was already that 20 (again the numbers are not representative of the true number which are much more higher)

With that knowledge in hand, the strike was a good thing for the massage that Israel sent is clear, anyone, no matter who, that is part of a terrorist’s organization, that for the most part purposely and intentionally targets civilians, should never expect that Israel wont go after them to stop them.


Further is that the message is that unlike in the times of yesteryear, where Jews went like sheep to be slaughtered without ever defending themselves or going after those that killed them, now those times are long gone, and Israel will not lie like sheep to a slaughter any more and those that go after our civilians will be hunted down and stopped and killed.

No nation in the world would not go after those that constantly go after its civilians and certainly no other nation in the world would expect to be condemned after they killed a leader of just such a organization.


Lastly it very important to remind everyone what hamas’s goals are, and this is in their explicit charter and they mention it all the time (its not something I am making up) but their goal is not to end any occupation of the 1967 borders and then there will be peace, no they want the whole Israel, the 1948 borders….or even more, they want an Islamic fundamentalist state in place of the whole Israel and as such that is what they are fighting for. Its important to those that believe this is a “just” resistance movement (well I guess that those that believe in their cause of the 1948 borders and their targeteding of civilians, will call it just :roll: ) for just those 1967 borders when it is not and no matter what Israel does or doesnt do, and even if it pulls out of those 1967 borders, it wont matter for they will still fight and target civilians in their ultimate goal and as such Israel has no choice but to defend it self and one of the methods is going after them to disrupt and prevent their efforts


Just one Reponses to one member

I saw a member (I believe it was “cut”) be surprised at some Europe (or British ) condemnation of Israel and all I can say, what? That’s surprising… :roll: no mister, thats routine!! what would be surprising is if they applauded it just like Israel and others would applaud any of their nations killing osama bin louden or any of their terrorist leaders that plague them.

But of course the double standard continues, which is NOT surprising.

Shalom on this very good day :D

to add to that same member..............




Anyway, there's a point to be made on both sides, the europeans are looking at it in terms of getting peace in the middle east, in which case this was the wrong thing to do. so not attacking him will bring peace?

The point is that this organization isn’t fighting for the 1967 borders, and oslo process or not or even Israel fully pulling out of those areas NEVER MADE ANY DIFFERNCE NOR WOULD IT HAVE TO THEM.

It is inconceivable that we need to justify killing someone that is head of a organization that most of the times purposely and intentionally targets civilians.

oh well :roll:




The Israelis and to some extent the americans think the terrorists are bombing them so hitting back at the terrrorists is a great thing to do. Both are right. no we know there isn’t any other option when faced with the kind of organization and goals that hamas has/is

If Israel didn’t respond in the past two years to disrupt their planning and kill off a lot of their bomb maker, bomb workshops and homicide bombers etc.., there would not have been any reduction in homicide bombings as there has been and instead the daily or weekly rate as it was before Israel acted more aggressive, would have continued on.

No other sane nation in the world would not act against those that target its civilians….Europe included, and those that condemn Israel for this are nothing but hypocrites!! (as to how they would react if they were excatly in Israels situation)

Shalom :D

[Argyll]

Why should anyone listen to you? ;)











Shalom buddy :D ......stay safe.......it's gonna get rough bro

[sierraone]

IDFM203 you are one of the few intelligent people in here

shalom

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I respect UK with all my heart.
I am glad that you do respect us PermskiiOMON as we seem to be harbouring Chechen rebels at the moment the most famous "Akhmed Zakayev" comes to mind. We have got a thriving Chechen community in London but most want to go to the US for some reason.

[n_shanygin]

great work IDF ;)

[citizen-k]

IDFM203 you are one of the few intelligent people in here

shalom

intelligent nachlaui, go figure... rofl

[IDFM203]

I don’t speak for any other Israelis, but me personally, thanks to all those here that expressed support and stand by the IDF actions against this terrorist leader scum that led an organization that its purpose is to wipe out the whole Israel and for the most part only targeted civilians.


Why should anyone listen to you? ;)











Shalom buddy :D ......stay safe.......it's gonna get rough broits going to get rough as it has been rough already. Regardless of what Israel did.

At least unlike in the 1940's Europe, we are now able to defend ourselves from those that wish to wipe us out (as hamas wants) and that we are steadfast in face of their continuing efforts to kill our citizens, NO MATTER if we killed him or not.

As for listening to me, what can I say, other then my personal experince in dealing with the very subject, I guess everyone else is free to choose who they want to listen to (hell its just like when some people talk about the british actions with the IRA and choose to ignore those that have personal experience dealing with the IRA ;) ….people can listen to whoever they want)


IDFM203 you are one of the few intelligent people in here

shalom

intelligent nachlaui, go figure... roflnow now, save that stuff for a “golanchik” ;) there is no need for that remark in how you implied it in compersion to other nachlauim, to extend anywhere else.

Secondly I wasn’t in your typical Nachal unit to make the kind of statement you made or implied on how my opinions and views look as compered to the typical "nachlaui" (lets just says that we didn’t have too many “kibbutznikim” or for that matter “semolanim” in the unit that I was in ;) )

Shalom :D

[EvanL]

I don’t speak for any other Israelis, but me personally, thanks to all those here that expressed support and stand by the IDF actions against this terrorist leader scum that led an organization that its purpose is to wipe out the whole Israel and for the most part only targeted civilians.


Why should anyone listen to you? ;)











Shalom buddy :D ......stay safe.......it's gonna get rough broits going to get rough as it has been rough already. Regardless of what Israel did.

At least unlike in the 1940's Europe, we are now able to defend ourselves from those that wish to wipe us out (as hamas wants) and that we are steadfast in face of their continuing efforts to kill our citizens, NO MATTER if we killed him or not.

As for listening to me, what can I say, other then my personal experince in dealing with the very subject, I guess everyone else is free to choose who they want to listen to (hell its just like when some people talk about the british actions with the IRA and choose to ignore those that have personal experience dealing with the IRA ;) ….people can listen to whoever they want)


IDFM203 you are one of the few intelligent people in here

shalom

intelligent nachlaui, go figure... roflnow now, save that stuff for a “golanchik” ;) there is no need for that remark to extend anywhere else.

Secondly I wasn’t in your typical Nachal unit to make the kind of statement you made or implied on how my opinions and views look (lets just says that we didn’t have too many “kibbutznikim” or for that matter “semolanim” in the unit that I was in ;) )

Shalom :D
IDFM the only problem with your posts is that therew too damn long!
They sure are informative but i could cook latkes in the time it takes to read one of them.
Shalom

[IDFM203]

IDFM the only problem with your posts is that therew too damn long!
They sure are informative but i could cook latkes in the time it takes to read one of them.
Shalomhehe ;) perhaps you are right, what can I say othet then I try to be a bit informative instead of simply putting down one liners.

Some people appreciate it and some others don’t…I have learnt that its impossible to please everyone at the same time ;)


I prefer to keep one liners for the sigs and the longer posts for some intelligent conversation and debate…..although there are a lot of “kids” here with their one liners, there are a few respectable adults that are interested in some detailed conversation and debate and its more to them that my posts are directed to.

Shalom :D

_________________________________________________________________
NEVER AGAIN........LET THE IDF WIN!!!

"If the Palestinians/Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"!! (Or to put it more bluntly..” if the military capabilities of Israel and the palestinians/Arabs were reversed, all Israelis would be killed in a matter of 24 hours or less”)

“Peace can only come when the Arabs learn to love their own children more then they hate ours” (http://www.israel-wat.com/pics1_eng.htm#a2)

[MetalBoy]

Has there been any response from the Bush Administration yet? I sort of see it as a bind for the US. We don't dare condemn this cuz it would make the US hypcritical. Yet I'm sure the people in the State Department aren't very happy about this since it will disrupt their "roadmap", which I think has been dead for a while. I think the Israelis just got tired of waiting for Bush's support and acted on their own in this. Or do you think Bush gave his implicit support beforehand? Sorry if this was covered in this topic soomewhere.

[Marmot1]

(CNN) -- World reaction to Israel's killing of Hamas movement leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin has been swift and blunt, with many condemning the action as illegal and a blow to efforts to fight terrorism.

Yassin was killed early Monday in an Israeli missile strike. Seven other people were killed in the attack (Full story)

Ahmed Qorei, Palestinian Prime Minister, in Ramallah:

"The cabinet met today with (Palestinian Authority) President (Yasser) Arafat ... and the issue that dominated all the discussion was about the assassination of a prominent leader of the Palestinians, Yassin, and the way that he was assassinated by the Israeli Apache helicopters and while he was in the early morning praying without even respect to any of the villagers and to the beliefs of the Palestinian people. This was condemned strongly in the meeting, and it's been decided that we will go to the Security Council, the United Nations."

Nabil Abu Rudeneh, Arafat spokesman and adviser, in Ramallah:

"This Israeli policy is against any peace effort. So far, they are ruining every single effort to find or safeguard a political solution.

"There will never be any kind of peace or stability. This crime this early morning in Gaza is a dangerous sign for everybody, and we urge the American administration to interfere immediately to stop this escalation because no one is going to win.

"He (Arafat) is very angry and we, on behalf of the Palestinian people, we urge everybody to understand that the Palestinian people are under heavy escalation from the Israeli government and the Israeli army."

Alon Pinkas, Israeli Consul General to the United States, in Washington:

"It was the right thing to do, as crude as that sounds. He's no spiritual leader. You would think you are talking about Mother Teresa or something is a man that embodies terrorism. He was arrested twice, arrested by the Egyptians to begin with, arrested twice. He's masterminded the brutal killings of children, women, way up in the hundreds. He is a force of incitement, a force of hatred towards Israel, towards America, towards the West, toward the Palestinian mainstream for that matter."

Hasan Rahman, Chief Palestinian Representative to the United States, in Ramallah:

"It is absolutely ridiculous to allege that the man who cannot see, cannot hear and who is on a wheelchair can constitute a threat to the biggest military power in the Middle East and one of the biggest the world. That's absolute nonsense."

Hosni Mubarak, Egyptian President, in Cairo:

"What happened was more brutal than anyone can imagine and it doesn't make sense. This action was not considered, and the result of the actions were also not considered, unfortunately. It is a sorrowful thing. We condemn this aggression because he is one of the political symbols in Gaza. We were putting all our efforts into the peace process. It aborted all the peace process efforts. This will have reactions all over the Middle East, not just there. They did not consider any reactions when they did this dangerous procedure."

Jack Straw, British Foreign Secretary, in Brussels:

"We understand Israel's paramount needs to defend itself, but we also say for Israel to carry the full support of the international community it needs to do so within the boundaries set by international law. It's been the long-standing position of the British government that such targeted killings, assassinations, are out with international law.

"It is very difficult for all countries fighting terrorism to take a measured response in the face of the kind of outrageous terrorism which Israel has suffered. All of us understand that, but a measure of restraint is required and I don't believe Israel will benefit from the fact that this morning an 80-year-old in a wheel chair has been a target of their assassinations."

Javier Solana, EU foreign policy chief, in Brussels:

"The position of the European Union has been consistently a condemnation of ... killings. In this particular case, I think a condemnation ought to be stronger. These types of actions do not contribute at all to create the conditions of peace, the conditions of dialogue, which are necessary at this moment."

Joschka Fischer, German Foreign Minister, in Berlin:

"We are very concerned about the developments. We will observe them very acutely. I am now on the way to Brussels. I am sure that the EU foreign ministers will discuss the current situation. Throughout the day we will also discuss it with our transatlantic-Atlantic partners.

"This is not about fearing something. The situation is as such that all must be done to prevent a further escalation. All sides are called upon to do their part in this effort. At the same time, we are doing everything to pursue a further initiative for the Middle East. However, as said, the current status necessitates a thorough analysis."

Dominique de Villepin, French Foreign Minister, in Brussels:

"France condemns the actions perpetrated against Sheikh Yassin. At a time when it is important to mobilize for the relaunch of the peace process, such acts can only fuel the cycle of violence."

Jan Petersen, Norwegian Foreign Minister, in Berlin:

"It is quite clear that Hamas is a terrorist organization. We certainly condemn the terrorists acts. But in my opinion this, of course, not justify the extra-judicial killing. The killing this morning is something which we condemn."

Asma Khader, Jordanian government spokesman, in Amman:

"We condemn this crime and we find a real obstacle against all political will and efforts to have a sustainable, comprehensive and just peace for all the people of the region."

Hanan Ashwari, Palestinian legislator, in Ramallah:

"There will be, I'm afraid, a very tragic recycle of violence. What more cowardly act than assassinating through the use of missile a helpless man in a wheelchair? What we needed was to introduce a whole new language, a whole new discourse. I'm afraid it will spiral out of control."

[5jumpchump]

"At last," a reader from Rehovot near Tel Aviv wrote in an e-mail to BBC News Online.


"To help you understand who was the man, I challenge you to find any footage or speech where Yassin speaks for peace," another Tel Aviv reader wrote.

[Argyll]

"At last," a reader from Rehovot near Tel Aviv wrote in an e-mail to BBC News Online.


"To help you understand who was the man, I challenge you to find any footage or speech where Yassin speaks for peace," another Tel Aviv reader wrote.

I don't think Israel need to justify her actions at all on this one

[5jumpchump]

I posted that in responce to the post above by Marmot1 . I think Isreal has every right to defend itself as it sees fit . For goodness sakes this guy has been calling for the death of isreal since "87" , What took you guys so long ?

[Argyll]

No probs

[Mr. Nielsen]

"At last," a reader from Rehovot near Tel Aviv wrote in an e-mail to BBC News Online.


"To help you understand who was the man, I challenge you to find any footage or speech where Yassin speaks for peace," another Tel Aviv reader wrote.

Things are rarely either black or white. Actually I have heard Yassin being called a Hamas moderate by some.

I found this on the net:


"The occupation must end, the occupiers must leave our land, back to the borders of 1967 in the Gaza Strip as well as in the West Bank," Yassin told Der Tagesspiegel.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/14/1029113957299.html

Here is an ABCnews summary from a interview with Hamas spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab.


June 3 — On the eve of a historic Middle East peace summit, a senior official of the Palestinian militant organization Hamas told ABCNEWS' Ted Koppel the group would stop attacks if it received guarantees of a full Israeli withdrawal from Palestinian territory. Following is a transcript prepared from a tape recording of Koppel's conversation with Hamas spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab.

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/World/hamas030603.html

[S'13]

Here is an ABCnews summary from a interview with Hamas spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab.



June 3 — On the eve of a historic Middle East peace summit, a senior official of the Palestinian militant organization Hamas told ABCNEWS' Ted Koppel the group would stop attacks if it received guarantees of a full Israeli withdrawal from Palestinian territory. Following is a transcript prepared from a tape recording of Koppel's conversation with Hamas spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab.


http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/World/hamas030603.html

The central goal of Hamas is the establishment of an Islamic state in all of Palestine (includind the 1948 borders of Israel). The immediate means to achieve this goal is the escalation of the armed struggle, and ultimately all-out Jihad, with the participation not only of Palestinian Muslims but of the entire Islamic world.

As long as Hamas has this kind of ideology trying to talk peace with this group would be as effective as trying to draw blood from a stone.