So what are we going to do ?

[5jumpchump]

This weekend just about every news channel had the chilling report of Al Quada posses suit case nukes according to Al Zwahiri's biography writter . So let's say one goes off in LA , New York , Pennsylvania - what would be the "proper " way to retaliate ?
They say that 100,000 people would die and even more from the fall out and spread radiation reducing that particular area unusable for quite some time . I just wonder what would be the response would be , any ideas ?

[Marmot1]

It's nothing new Gen.Lebiedz warned that they don't know where they have ca.40 of them few years ago... now at least we know who has one of them...

[RomanS]

Give the MUSLIMS of the world 48 hours to give out responsibile for such attacks, or any information leading to arrest of the terrorists.

After 48 hours if nothing comes out of it, randomly start launching MOABs on the cities in the Middle East.

They kill our people, we kill theirs.

Sorry I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY OUT.

[Tane Angle]

Domestically, what martial law could be declared would be, specifically in major cities (this is a problem, because so much of our military is deployed overseas). Massed evacuations would likely take place. NEST would search other major cities for devices. The nation would be thrown off kilter, but it would survive very well. We would decontaminate the radiation-affected people, and do what we could for the regional/global environment. Everyone in the nation, as well as Canada and other affected areas, would be given iodine tablets and other medicines to do what we could.

NY, DC, and LA all normally have wind conditions that would blow most of the radiation either out to sea or to relatively deserted areas like death valley. I would not be surprised by massed WWII-type internments, though they probably wouldn't do much. As the old saying goes, crimes against persons or property would be dealt with severly and swiftly. Anyone attempting to loot or otherwise take advantage of the situation in other cities would be punished harshly.

The blast size and casualty count depends on the size of the weapon. A Hiroshima sized bomb might kill several hundred thousand, while a smaller, more easily hidden bomb would likely kill less.

We would not respond with nuclear weapons. All military options would be exhausted though, while concentrating on preventing another attack. It's honestly not something worth stressing about.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Marmot1]

Give the MUSLIMS of the world 48 hours to give out responsibile for such attacks, or any information leading to arrest of the terrorists.

After 48 hours if nothing comes out of it, randomly start launching MOABs on the cities in the Middle East.
They kill our people, we kill theirs.

Sorry I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY OUT.

IDIOTIC and RACISTIC :bash:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

You advocate striking out against the Middle East so Israel gets gets a good dusting of fallout, I think they would be pissed. So if its Chechens that carry out the attack the US gets to Nuke Russian sovereign soil, you guys are so cool.

[Tane Angle]

While I disagree with the tactic (no offense, PermskiiOMON), he makes a point. It is worth remembering that many people feel that one of the the only things that kept Hussein from using WMD was because the US and other nations had threatened "massive retaliation" against the Iraqi capital and othe Iraqi cities if those weapons were used. That's the nice diplomatic way of saying nuclear weapons.

True, Israel and the Arab nations would not have gone for that, but it was a threat that Hussein apparently considered at least non-idle. Just some thoughts...

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

If the group that uses a Nuke device is stateless then what or lets say in the near future when Iraq is probably still a hotspot and occupied by the coalition the dissident Iraqis detonate the device, how do we deal with that.

[RomanS]

MOAB is not a NUKE

[Tane Angle]

The same way we should have dealt with previous attacks-hit them where they are, but hit them, not innocent civilians. Some civilian lives would be lost, I am very sorry to say, but that is unfortunately how war is.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

MOAB is not a NUKE
You think they would stop short of any thing less than a nuke if the US was nuked, hell I bet they got a plan for this already same as Russia, Israel, France and the UK. Dropping a MOAB would be the understatement of the century.

[Tane Angle]

I know, and I hope that no one thinks that I meant use nukes or anything like that. I was simply trying to put it in a historical reference.

[RomanS]

The same way we should have dealt with previous attacks-hit them where they are, but hit them, not innocent civilians. Some civilian lives would be lost, I am very sorry to say, but that is unfortunately how war is.

screw their civilians.

Do you think that 1 in 10 civilians over there knows about al-queda plans, or knows where ben laden is, or supports them quietly.

You think everyone is innocent there? If they were honest, supportive of west, and used only 1 face. The war on terror would be a lot shorter.

So fok them !

If they nuke our people, we randomly kill theirs.

God will sort them out.

EYE FOR AN EYE

[cut]

The same way we should have dealt with previous attacks-hit them where they are, but hit them, not innocent civilians. Some civilian lives would be lost, I am very sorry to say, but that is unfortunately how war is.

screw their civilians.

Do you think that 1 in 10 civilians over there knows about al-queda plans, or knows where ben laden is, or supports them quietly.

You think everyone is innocent there? If they were honest, supportive of west, and used only 1 face. The war on terror would be a lot shorter.

So fok them !

If they nuke our people, we randomly kill theirs.

God will sort them out.

EYE FOR AN EYE

so hypothetically, if a a russian group of radical terrorists want to bring back communism and the soviet union, nuke an american city, you would think it fair if the US retaliated with "random MOABs over St Petersburg or Moscow?

[Tane Angle]

I've spent a good number of years over there, and I'd say that most don't care either way; they just want to feed their kids. I think most just want peace, so that their children can play in the streets without fear of being shot or recruited by either side.

The question is, how many innocent civilians are worth killing in order to take out a leader? Everyone in the building? The surrounding buildings? The neighboring blocks? That whole neighborhood? The entire city? I'm not sure if anyone has those answers. Some civilian casualties are acceptable, but only if those deaths are actualyl necessary to preventing the next attack.

Revenge, as natural as it is, can be damaging to AT/CT work. Believe me, I've wanted vengeance so badly at times, but luckily I had friends there who hit me upside the head and calmed me down, talked some sense and logic into me.

Moreover, a JDAMs can kill just as well as MOABs, but on a smaller scale. Have a good one,a nd just some thoughts...

[MVSpartan117]

The same way we should have dealt with previous attacks-hit them where they are, but hit them, not innocent civilians. Some civilian lives would be lost, I am very sorry to say, but that is unfortunately how war is.

screw their civilians.

Do you think that 1 in 10 civilians over there knows about al-queda plans, or knows where ben laden is, or supports them quietly.

You think everyone is innocent there? If they were honest, supportive of west, and used only 1 face. The war on terror would be a lot shorter.

So fok them !

If they nuke our people, we randomly kill theirs.

God will sort them out.

EYE FOR AN EYE

Ruthless! p-)

[RomanS]

The same way we should have dealt with previous attacks-hit them where they are, but hit them, not innocent civilians. Some civilian lives would be lost, I am very sorry to say, but that is unfortunately how war is.

screw their civilians.

Do you think that 1 in 10 civilians over there knows about al-queda plans, or knows where ben laden is, or supports them quietly.

You think everyone is innocent there? If they were honest, supportive of west, and used only 1 face. The war on terror would be a lot shorter.

So fok them !

If they nuke our people, we randomly kill theirs.

God will sort them out.

EYE FOR AN EYE

so hypothetically, if a a russian group of radical terrorists want to bring back communism and the soviet union, nuke an american city, you would think it fair if the US retaliated with "random MOABs over St Petersburg or Moscow?

commies don't hijack planes and crash them into civilians

commies don't take hostages in theaters

commies don't blow up trains with civilians in them

commies don't take hospitals and executing pregnant women

commies don't blow up embassies

Ummm yeaaaaaaahhh, I'm gona have to go ahead and disagree with you there Bob

[RomanS]

I've spent a good number of years over there, and I'd say that most don't care either way; they just want to feed their kids. I think most just want peace, so that their children can play in the streets without fear of being shot or recruited by either side.

So American parents don't want their kids to play in the streets?

Why is it muslim terrorists take their lives for Allah, but you don't see innocent muslims kill terrorists to prevent their already bad image?

[Tane Angle]

Ruthlessness can be good in certain amounts. And in dire straits, Machiavellian methods are sometimes necessary. After all, we are the products of survivors. We are alive today because our ancestors were good at killing things and surviving horrible circumstances. Cornered, a being-be it a wild cat, a person, or a nation-will almost certainly do anything it has to to ensure it's own survival. But that's all old news.

I hate to say it, but the USSR wasn't entirely guiltless when it came to training Muslim terrorists. I mean no disrespect or offense with that, and certainly that hasn't happened in decades, but like the US and many other nations, including those of Europe, the USSR did hold hands with the other side a bit. Everyone did, unfortunately, and we all hold a bit of the blame for it, no? But it is worth remembering that the Russian people have nothing to do with any of that support, and that it would very much seem like they are much like nearly everyone else out there-they want to have a nice place to raise their children without threat of death.

Again, I mean no disrespect or offense to anyone or anything with any of my posts, and I apologize in advance if I miswrote and do accidentally do so. I am most sincerely sorry if I do.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I dunno those damn commies have done some bad **** over the years look at the IRA and INLA oh and lets not forget the Shining Path or are they Moaist? of course there are also the FARC the commies were real bad towards the Afghans but the US and Saudi's helped the Afghans out and gave then weapons and training to fight the commies. :D

[Haiw]

The same way we should have dealt with previous attacks-hit them where they are, but hit them, not innocent civilians. Some civilian lives would be lost, I am very sorry to say, but that is unfortunately how war is.

screw their civilians.

Do you think that 1 in 10 civilians over there knows about al-queda plans, or knows where ben laden is, or supports them quietly.

You think everyone is innocent there? If they were honest, supportive of west, and used only 1 face. The war on terror would be a lot shorter.

So fok them !

If they nuke our people, we randomly kill theirs.

God will sort them out.

EYE FOR AN EYE

so hypothetically, if a a russian group of radical terrorists want to bring back communism and the soviet union, nuke an american city, you would think it fair if the US retaliated with "random MOABs over St Petersburg or Moscow?

commies don't hijack planes and crash them into civilians

commies don't take hostages in theaters

commies don't blow up trains with civilians in them

commies don't take hospitals and executing pregnant women

commies don't blow up embassies

Ummm yeaaaaaaahhh, I'm gona have to go ahead and disagree with you there Bob
Ever heard of RAF? Or Maoist rebels in other places...or FARC... or... the list is long.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Ever heard of RAF?
They hijack trains do they not.

[RomanS]

Ever heard of RAF?
They hijack trains do they not.

As far as I rememmber Soviet Union communists, and US was mentioned, and was the spot light of the argument about commies.
No other countries mentioned....

[George W. Bush]

The U.S. should nuke Russia for being derelict in their duty to protect nukes. Then nuke Saudi Arabia and proclaim victory.

[Tane Angle]

JRA's reach went all the way to the Middle East, where the worked with Black September. Shot up an airport. And don't forget that many Muslim groups consider themselves to be communist.

[Haiw]

Ever heard of RAF?
They hijack trains do they not.

As far as I rememmber Soviet Union communists, and US was mentioned, and was the spot light of the argument about commies.
No other countries mentioned....
Muslim isn't a 'country' either... :roll:

[RomanS]

The U.S. should nuke Russia for being derelict in their duty to protect nukes. Then nuke Saudi Arabia and proclaim victory.

good luck, the minute you launch nukes on Russia, we will press the secret button called "Cee Ceeya"

Russia is been working on this for the past 73 years. Now its complete and ready to roll.

Basically the entire Russian Federation territory has 900000 rocket engines under it, straped around the whole land. So when nukes launched we will press the button, and the entire Russian Federation will launch into space, and travel to the moon.

Don't worry, the "BUBBLE" will be activated in less than 40 seconds around the entire country. You know the exiting atmosphere and orbital landing.

[Maverick77]

Ask for Syria and Iran (to name the major 2) for permission to operate agaisnt terrorist with them inside their country. They Refuse, Invade

[cut]

The same way we should have dealt with previous attacks-hit them where they are, but hit them, not innocent civilians. Some civilian lives would be lost, I am very sorry to say, but that is unfortunately how war is.

screw their civilians.

Do you think that 1 in 10 civilians over there knows about al-queda plans, or knows where ben laden is, or supports them quietly.

You think everyone is innocent there? If they were honest, supportive of west, and used only 1 face. The war on terror would be a lot shorter.

So fok them !

If they nuke our people, we randomly kill theirs.

God will sort them out.

EYE FOR AN EYE

so hypothetically, if a a russian group of radical terrorists want to bring back communism and the soviet union, nuke an american city, you would think it fair if the US retaliated with "random MOABs over St Petersburg or Moscow?

commies don't hijack planes and crash them into civilians

commies don't take hostages in theaters

commies don't blow up trains with civilians in them

commies don't take hospitals and executing pregnant women

commies don't blow up embassies

Ummm yeaaaaaaahhh, I'm gona have to go ahead and disagree with you there Bob


you are obviously not familiar with the term hypothetically, so answer the question, wether it could happen or not if it did wouldn't you think MOABs on Moscow was not the right thing to do?

[RomanS]

Muslim isn't a 'country' either... :roll:

REALLY??

http://www.sandytimes.ru/txt/photo/chukcha.jpg

[MetalBoy]

I don't know why everybody is bashing the commies here. All they did was kill millions of their own people.
http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/bumper_stickers/commie_web.gif

[Marmot1]

Muslim isn't a 'country' either... :roll:

REALLY??

http://www.sandytimes.ru/txt/photo/chukcha.jpg

Your fammily member?

BTW Wasn't it Soviet Union which supported Palestinians, armed them, trained,provided safe heaven in poland,czech,bulgaria and DDR (AFAIK Abu Nidal visited moscow several times back in 80's and they had a safehaven in former comunist block... i.e. Abu Nidal or Abu Daud (sorry dont remember which exactly) wife and daughter lived for some time in Poland... his daughter even attended polish school... Of course I don't have to remind you that such activity was possible only with Big Brother aproval....

[Marmot1]

The Polish Trail


At least from the 1960s, the communist countries of Central and Eastern Europe were a safe haven to many terrorists. The policy of the Soviet Union, carried out by its two most powerful intelligence agencies: the KGB and the GRU, aimed at stirring dissent and trouble in the West and (since the 1967 war) also targeted Israel as a “Zionist enemy”. Palestinian Arabs turned their “national liberation struggle” into a continuous terrorist strategy.


The communist countries overtly supported Yasser Arafat’s PLO but covertly dealt with more radical organizations, like the Black September of Abu Daoud or the ANO of Abu Nidal. These organizations respected no laws or international treaties killing people, hijacking planes and ships, bombing Jewish synagogues, attacking overseas military outposts and diplomatic missions of Israel, the U.S.A. and a number of other states, including some Arab and Muslim countries. The Soviet Intelligence HQ singled out several European communist countries to support the clandestine terrorist organizations.


Poland was included in that number but never was so significant as the GDR [East Germany], Czechoslovakia or Bulgaria. The last three states, or better their secret police, intelligence and counter-intelligence services and the military establishment provided specialized training, sold weapons and munitions, gave logistic support or sheltered and used terrorists from many parts of the World, including those from the Arab countries.



Poland had a lesser but still important part in this game. Under the protection of the secret political police (SB) and the military counter-intelligence (WSW) several notorious terrorists took refuge in Poland, many Palestinian and other “liberation fighters” were treated for wounds in Polish military hospitals, many other received vocational education and military training. The Arafat’s PLO openly recruited Palestinian students in Poland for the war in Lebanon in the 1980s. Poland also sold light arms, grenade launchers, anti-tank weapons and munitions to Palestinian militant groups and to other terrorist groups. These relations developed the best at the time of the military rule in Poland (1981 – 1985) but were continued until 1990 and afterwards (in half-legal or illicit ways).



Abu Nidal and his close family and aides came to Poland in 1981 and stayed there (moving to and from Poland) until 1985 or, according to some reports, until December of 1986. With his wife and children he lived in a small town, Pabianice in Central Poland, in one of three villas guarded by the secret police (SB). Local people took the Arabs for Gypsies, as there were many Roms living in that area . The Arabs drove three cars with police escorts. Abu Nidal decided to stay in Poland after his expulsion from Iraq in 1983. Under a different name, using several passports and protected by the communist secret service he could safely stay in Poland and organize ANO’s activities from there. He could also make money for himself and ANO through an Arab business company, SAS Trade and Investment, owned by Samir Hassan Najmadeen.

//marmot1:My father did some business with this firm (SAS- it had office in INTRACO building in Warsaw) and this guy (Samir Hassan Najmadeen) but after he realized who he was and what was main purpose of this deal he withdrawn.



The company was one of the “frontline” firms for financing the terrorist activity in Eastern and Western Europe. It was closed down by the Polish authorities, under the American pressure, only in 1987 and its two Palestinian managers were expulsed. Abu Nidal spent some time also in Hungary, in Budapest where he used to stay at the spa hotel “Thermal” on the Margaret Island, guarded by 8 Hungarian secret service men. In Warsaw Arab terrorists met at the Warsaw best “Victoria” hotel, where from 1980 to 1987 resided Monzer al-Cassar (known as “The Prince of Morbella”), a Syrian arms trader supplying weapons from Eastern Europe to several terrorist networks.



His business partners were the official trade companies in Poland, including the state-licensed weapons trader “Cenzin”. In Poland Monzer al-Cassar lived in the lap of luxury. Later on in Madrid, during Monzer’s trial in 1995, one of the witnesses (Ahmed Boumershed) told the jury that Abu Nidal had been helped and protected in by three Polish Army generals. One of them was the head of the Military Intelligence (ZII WSW).



Another Palestinian guest of the Polish communist authorities was Abu Daoud (Tariq Shaliq Mahdi), one of the leaders of Black September (part of the Fatah), the man responsible for the bloody massacre of the Israeli sportsmen at Munich, during the Olympic Games of 1972. Abu Daoud stayed in Poland at least one for year, from 1980 to August of 1981, when he survived an attempt at his life at the “Victoria” hotel in Warsaw [he was hit by 6 gun bullets but survived the attack and soon left Poland for East Germany]. Daoud had a Syrian passport for the name: Tariq Shafiq Mahdi.

//marmot1:Hard motha****a after 6 bullets of which 3 or 4 hit him in cheast he left Poland next day since he feel unsafe and he moved to DDR where his safehaven was, the hitman was from Mosad and menaged to escape, when polish agents entered Daoud's room while he was in hospital they found a siutcase full of Dollars, Francs and... Soviet Rubles (wonder for what he required soviet money??? ). Guess why I know that ;) //

Still other famous terrorist, Carlos (Iliych Ramirez Sanchez, now serving his jail term in France) also spent some time in Poland in the years 1985 – 1986. He wanted to settle down there but Abu Nidal persuaded him not, for security reasons. Abu Nidal was right as he,too, narrowly escaped an attempt at his life at the same “Victoria” hotel, in 1985. In both cases, of Abu Daoud (1981) and Abu Nidal (1985) the credit for the aborted aexecutions was easily given to the Israeli intelligence but the perpetrators had never been found. They could as well be Palestinians from the rivaling terrorist organizations.



Black September – Poland – and the Nukes for Saddam



From June 1989 (Poland) to December 1991(USSR), the whole communist system in Eastern Europe and beyond the Urals collapsed without a war or an armed resistance. The partition of the Soviet Union and the peaceful liberation of Poland, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary and other former communist states as well as the pulling out of the Soviet troops and the military equipment from East Germany and Poland (then from other countries) created a unique historical situation: an occasion to hunt for weapons, materials, products and technology that had been considered as top secret in the communist empire.



Also for nuclear weapons and radioactive materials or products that started to flow illegally out from the ex-Soviet arsenals, factories and labs to “end users” in many countries of the World. In the 1990s, the illegal nuclear trade was dominated by the intelligence services, by military- industrial complex and the new mafias, developed from the ex-Soviet and other (Polish, too) secret former intelligence groups turned into criminal organizations.



There are many reasons to believe that many dangerous nuclear materials, parts of the weaponry or even some nuclear weapons (like the famous “suitcase bombs” or nuclear demolition ammunition) slipped out from the Soviet hands into the hands of some terrorist organizations, like the notorious al Qaeda or, more sure, were bought from Russia and from some post-Soviet countries by the states aspiring to become nuclear powers.



At least from 1992 to the end of 1996, in Poland and the former GDR, the Ukraine, the Baltic States, in Czechoslovakia (then split into two states), Hungary and Bulgaria there operated many intelligence organizations of Arab and Muslim countries, looking for nuclear materials, products and know-how and recruiting former Soviet specialists.



The same action was undertaken in several ex-Soviet states of Central Asia (specially in Kazakhstan) and in the Russian Siberia. In Poland Libyan and Iraqi intelligence officers, disguised as diplomats and businessmen, hunted for nuclear materials including the weapons-grade uranium and plutonium, strontium and a Soviet secret product used as detonator for nuclear missile warheads. The Iraqi intelligence envoys to Poland operated mainly through Palestinian go-betweens.



One of them was a member of Black September [just another name for Abu Nidal Organization, ANO). His meeting place was the new “Marriott” hotel and some Arab business offices downtown Warsaw. His task was to find out possible suppliers of the wanted materials, to examine the samples and to negotiate the prices and the commissions. He had a Jordanian passport. Later on, when the American intelligence put some pressure on the Polish special services, that terrorist linked to Abu Nidal moved to Kiev in the Ukraine and continued his activity there, until 1995.



There were dozens of other “nuke-hunters” from many countries, operating in Poland in the 1990s. Some of the names were well known to the Polish intelligence and counter-intelligence services but they had not been disclosed for operational and state security reasons. One of the more spectacular efforts to obtain special nuclear products from Russia via Poland had been noted in 1996. The mediators for the Iraqi Intelligence were Palestinians living in Poland and a private trade company, co-owned by Polish and Iraqi businessmen. The go-betweens were some Jordanian sheiks. The alleged purchaser was supposed to be “The King of Saudi Arabia”.



Again, the names of the people involved had to be kept secret, as it wasn’t the last operation of that kind. Earlier, in France, the CIA. station in Paris was informed of a large (multi million dollar) nuclear transaction sought between a Russian military establishment and an unidentified Arab state. Members of Abu Nidal Organization were also part of that deal and the transit country was supposed to be Poland.

David M. Dastych



See permski you breaded Palestinians against West and West breaded other groups & afghans against you

[Tane Angle]

As individuals, some might be clean, but as nations, it would seem that we are all dirty. Well, South Korea hasn't been too aggressive towards too many people, there are some South Koreans here, right? (I'm trying to lighten the mood.)

I'm not a fan of scapegoating, and I'm not a fan of blaming only one side. Neither Clinton nor Bush impressed me in their anti-/counterterrorism policies, and few nations in the world have impressed me either, including my own sometimes. Maybe someday things will change?

Hope all is well over there, to all the folks of the world here. Because after all, Russians or Americans, Muslims or Jews, gay or straight, black, white, red, yellow, or magenta, we are all humans, one people. I think nearly all humans just want some peace and quiet, to raise their kids in safety. Anyways, have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[soma]

Give the MUSLIMS of the world 48 hours to give out responsibile for such attacks, or any information leading to arrest of the terrorists.

After 48 hours if nothing comes out of it, randomly start launching MOABs on the cities in the Middle East.
They kill our people, we kill theirs.

Sorry I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY OUT.

IDIOTIC and RACISTIC :bash:

And your solution which doesn't tremble on those lines?

[StukaJr]

I'm afraid that IF casualties exceed 100,000 civilians in the case of a suitcase nuke set off in a major city - MOAB's are not that short of a gruesome yet very true reality that could come raining down on the purpetrator nation. As a matter of fact - MOAB's, Daisy Cutters, cluster bombs and other "dumb" weapons have been used on multiple occasions by multiple nations as a detterent/retaliation weapon against terrorist acts in the past 5 years. Cruel? Yes! But it has been happening and will continue to happen...

Civilians have been major targets ever since Spanish Civil War - that's just how things are... Cruel - maybe... But bringing the war to the civilians became the only way to halt production of war materiel and stop the 100 year wars - civilians are not too pressed to seek end to war or look for political resolutions of conflicts...

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Hope all is well over there, to all the folks of the world here. Because after all, Russians or Americans, Muslims or Jews, gay or straight, black, white, red, yellow, or magenta, we are all humans, one people. I think nearly all humans just want some peace and quiet, to raise their kids in safety. Anyways, have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Good point

Normally I dont like to entertain the "what if" scenario, because none of us would know exactly what would happen (I'm pretty positive there are contingency plans in place for this). Most likely all major cities would be evacuated and there most likely would be some sort of aggressive action against the people responsible for it (nuclear strike is highly doubtfull...).

[James]

This weekend just about every news channel had the chilling report of Al Quada posses suit case nukes according to Al Zwahiri's biography writter . So let's say one goes off in LA , New York , Pennsylvania - what would be the "proper " way to retaliate ?
They say that 100,000 people would die and even more from the fall out and spread radiation reducing that particular area unusable for quite some time . I just wonder what would be the response would be , any ideas ?

Justice, not vengeance. I HOPE our national leadership would launch an effort against whatever orginization was responsible, and bring them to justice. I don't mean that we should treat it as a criminal act, though. We should just do whatever needs to be done to deal with those people and/or orginizations responsible.

As far as the comments about razing the cities of the middle east... Do you honestly think that would make the perpetrators say

"Oh damn. We shouldn't have done that!"

IMHO, such attacks might kill a few bad guys, a lot of civilians, and create a new, larger generation of people who want to do bad things to us, not because of ideology, but because now they want revenge.

Anyway, just a thought.

[fdt]

commies don't hijack planes and crash them into civilians

commies don't take hostages in theaters

commies don't blow up trains with civilians in them

commies don't take hospitals and executing pregnant women

commies don't blow up embassies


as for 1. .... but they shoot down the civilian planes with civilians inside.
as for 2. .... but they turn monasteries into concentration camps.
as for 3. ..... but commies first order civilians to go out and then shoot them all (why damage the good train?).... or they send the train to Siberia where they unload the civilians (frost does the rest).
as for 4 Are You sure?
as for 5 They did, they did...

[fdt]

Permskii, Your weak point seems to be You don't read classics. Why nuke, why MOABing? There are ol' ways to deal with bandits/terrorists:

приказ

пОЛНОМОЧНОЙ кОМИССИИ вцик N 116
Г. тАМБОВ
23 ИЮНЯ 1921 Г.

оПЫТ ПЕРВОГО БОЕВОГО УЧАСТКА ПОКАЗЫВАЕТ БОЛЬШУЮ
ПРИГОДНОСТЬ ДЛЯ БЫСТРОГО ОЧИЩЕНИЯ ОТ БАНДИТИЗМА
ИЗВЕСТНЫХ РАЙОНОВ ПО СЛЕДУЮЩЕМУ СПОСОБУ ЧИСТКИ.
нАМЕЧАЮТСЯ ОСОБЕННО БАНДИТСКИ НАСТРОЕННЫЕ ВОЛОСТИ, И
ТУДА ВЫЕЗЖАЮТ ПРЕДСТАВИТЕЛИ УЕЗДНОЙ ПОЛИТИЧЕСКОЙ
КОМИССИИ, ОСОБОГО ОТДЕЛЕНИЯ, ОТДЕЛЕНИЯ ВОЕННОГО
ТРИБУНАЛА И КОМАНДОВАНИЯ ВМЕСТЕ С ЧАСТЯМИ,
ПРЕДНАЗНАЧЕННЫМИ ДЛЯ ПРОВЕДЕНИЯ ЧИСТКИ. пО ПРИБЫТИИ НА
МЕСТО ВОЛОСТЬ ОЦЕПЛЯЕТСЯ, БЕРУТСЯ 60-100 НАИБОЛЕЕ
ВИДНЫХ ЛИЦ В КАЧЕСТВЕ ЗАЛОЖНИКОВ, И ВВОДИТСЯ ОСАДНОЕ
ПОЛОЖЕНИЕ. вЫЕЗД И В®ЕЗД В ВОЛОСТЬ ДОЛЖНЫ БЫТЬ НА ВРЕМЯ
ОПЕРАЦИИ ЗАПРЕЩЕНЫ. пОСЛЕ ЭТОГО СОБИРАЕТСЯ ПОЛНЫЙ
ВОЛОСТНОЙ СХОД, НА КОЕМ ПРОЧИТЫВАЮТСЯ ПРИКАЗЫ
пОЛНОМОЧНОЙ кОМИССИИ вцик N 130 И 171 И НАПИСАННЫЙ
ПРИГОВОР ДЛЯ ЭТОЙ ВОЛОСТИ. жИТЕЛЯМ ДАЕТСЯ 2 ЧАСА НА
ВЫДАЧУ БАНДИТОВ И ОРУЖИЯ, А ТАКЖЕ БАНДИТСКИХ СЕМЕЙ, И
НАСЕЛЕНИЕ СТАВИТСЯ В ИЗВЕСТНОСТЬ, ЧТО В СЛУЧАЕ ОТКАЗА
ДАТЬ УПОМЯНУТЫЕ СВЕДЕНИЯ ЗАЛОЖНИКИ БУДУТ РАССТРЕЛЯНЫ
ЧЕРЕЗ 2 ЧАСА. еСЛИ НАСЕЛЕНИЕ БАНДИТОВ И ОРУЖИЯ НЕ
УКАЗАЛО ПО ИСТЕЧЕНИИ ДВУХЧАСОВОГО СРОКА, СХОД
СОБИРАЕТСЯ ВТОРИЧНО И ВЗЯТЫЕ ЗАЛОЖНИКИ НА ГЛАЗАХ У
НАСЕЛЕНИЯ РАССТРЕЛИВАЮТСЯ, ПОСЛЕ ЧЕГО БЕРУТСЯ НОВЫЕ
ЗАЛОЖНИКИ И СОБРАВШИМСЯ НА СХОД ВТОРИЧНО ПРЕДЛАГАЕТСЯ
ВЫДАТЬ БАНДИТОВ И ОРУЖИЕ. жЕЛАЮЩИЕ ИСПОЛНИТЬ ЭТО
СТАНОВЯТСЯ ОТДЕЛЬНО, РАЗБИВАЮТСЯ НА СОТНИ, И КАЖДАЯ
СОТНЯ ПРОПУСКАЕТСЯ ДЛЯ ОПРОСА ЧЕРЕЗ ОПРОСНУЮ КОМИССИЮ
(ПРЕДСТАВИТЕЛЕЙ оСОБОГО ОТДЕЛА И вОЕННОГО ТРИБУНАЛА).
кАЖДЫЙ ДОЛЖЕН ДАТЬ ПОКАЗАНИЯ, НЕ ОТГОВАРИВАЯСЬ
НЕЗНАНИЕМ. в СЛУЧАЕ УПОРСТВА ПРОВОДЯТСЯ НОВЫЕ РАССТРЕЛЫ
И Т.Д. пО РАЗРАБОТКЕ МАТЕРИАЛА, ДОБЫТОГО ИЗ ОПРОСОВ,
СОЗДАЮТСЯ ЭКСПЕДИЦИОННЫЕ ОТРЯДЫ С ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНЫМ
УЧАСТИЕМ В НИХ ЛИЦ, ДАВШИХ СВЕДЕНИЯ, И ДРУГИХ МЕСТНЫХ
ЖИТЕЛЕЙ И ОТПРАВЛЯЮТСЯ НА ЛОВЛЮ БАНДИТОВ. пО ОКОНЧАНИИ
ЧИСТКИ ОСАДНОЕ ПОЛОЖЕНИЕ СНИМАЕТСЯ, ВОДВОРЯЕТСЯ
РЕВКОМ И НАСАЖДАЕТСЯ МИЛИЦИЯ.
нАСТОЯЩЕЕ пОЛНОМОЧНАЯ кОМИССИЯ вцик ПРИКАЗЫВАЕТ
ПРИНЯТЬ К НЕУКЛОННОМУ ИСПОЛНЕНИЮ.

[StukaJr]

IMHO, such attacks might kill a few bad guys, a lot of civilians, and create a new, larger generation of people who want to do bad things to us, not because of ideology, but because now they want revenge.

Anyway, just a thought.

Unfortunately, civilians die in every major military campaign - by direct and inderect means... Smart weapons that go off course, tons of dumb bombs dropped on the nation, unexploded ordinance, campaigns waged entirely from the air - you can't have wars that only target armed enemy combatants! Wars are bloody, messy, they kill civilians in their homes, send people homeless or destroy foodstocks for them to starve - unexploded ordinance kills civilians generations after the war is over. It's the sad sad truth but there is no reason to wear the pink shades and pretend everything is hunky dory.

As for future generations hating "us" or "them" for taking military actions against the madmen running their country - that's pure bull crap! Germany doesn't hate America for Carpet bombing that flattened their cities (single raid to Drezden killed more civilians than A-Bomb in Nagasaki - more than 100,000), Japanese don't send suicide bombers for millions of civilians that burnt up in napalm flames dropped on cities with no military targets - because these nations had their economy rebuilt, future generations were given means of living happy lives. Majority of people would not join a rebellion unless they had no other means of supporting themselves...

[StukaJr]

commies don't hijack planes and crash them into civilians

commies don't take hostages in theaters

commies don't blow up trains with civilians in them

commies don't take hospitals and executing pregnant women

commies don't blow up embassies


as for 1. .... but they shoot down the civilian planes with civilians inside.

So did US, Israel and plenty of other nations - these are called mistakes, not premeditated acts of terror. Also - saying "shoot" in present tense, is like saying that it's a constant occurance or repeating action. USSR shot down a single commercial airliner that entered its airspace - use of plural is not called for...

as for 2. .... but they turn monasteries into concentration camps.

During WWII (since we are going that far in history) US carpet bombed a monastery that served a refuge to civilians after germans repeatedely stated they were not in the monastery... And they weren't - for some reason, germans were real stickers to Geneva convention when it came to fighting Western Allies...

as for 3. ..... but commies first order civilians to go out and then shoot them all (why damage the good train?).... or they send the train to Siberia where they unload the civilians (frost does the rest).

Are bringing up events from decades and decades ago? How about "relocation camps" for US citizens of japanese descent? How about slow yet sure extermination of native americans over period of more than 100 years?

as for 4 Are You sure?

What are you implying? That you can prove otherwise?

as for 5 They did, they did...

When and where?



If you dig deep enough - every nation has its hands dirty... So what's the point?

[StukaJr]

sorry - double post

[WARPIG]

WOW. I haven’t seen a thread with this much bull**** in a long time. One idiot suggest that if a suitcase nuke pops off in the US that we go tap some random Muslims. Great idea. Instead of having the extremists wage Jihad against the US.. piss of every Muslim in the world and give the rest of the world reason to hate and fear us.
Where the hell did this commie discussion and Russian hate bull**** come from? It’s like watching junior high pot heads kick each other in the balls to see who will quit first.

We are doing what we should do right now. Putting pressure on Al queda in Afghanistan… giving Iraq a chance at stability and prosperity, and making the world aware that we will hunt terrorists down wherever they are. The more we give those countries that breed terrorist a chance to live in peace the fewer terrorists we will have. Seeking revenge for a hypothetical attack is not an answer. The question might be who do we blame for such an attack? Or how do we prevent them from doing it? If there is some aspiring Martyr out there with a mini nuke.. what are they waiting for? Someone has to tell them when to put the hit out. There has to be a message they are sending or a statement to make. What could we do to stop them? Nothing. Revenge won’t keep it from happening again. Heck, we could try the Nazi tactic and exterminate Muslims as Permiskiwoman would suggest. Hmm I am sure the world would stand for that. Reading permiski’s posts is like watching human evolution come to a screeching halt.

[fdt]

commies don't hijack planes and crash them into civilians

commies don't take hostages in theaters

commies don't blow up trains with civilians in them

commies don't take hospitals and executing pregnant women

commies don't blow up embassies


as for 1. .... but they shoot down the civilian planes with civilians inside.

So did US, Israel and plenty of other nations - these are called mistakes, not premeditated acts of terror. Also - saying "shoot" in present tense, is like saying that it's a constant occurance or repeating action. USSR shot down a single commercial airliner that entered its airspace - use of plural is not called for...

as for 2. .... but they turn monasteries into concentration camps.

During WWII (since we are going that far in history) US carpet bombed a monastery that served a refuge to civilians after germans repeatedely stated they were not in the monastery... And they weren't - for some reason, germans were real stickers to Geneva convention when it came to fighting Western Allies...

as for 3. ..... but commies first order civilians to go out and then shoot them all (why damage the good train?).... or they send the train to Siberia where they unload the civilians (frost does the rest).

Are bringing up events from decades and decades ago? How about "relocation camps" for US citizens of japanese descent? How about slow yet sure extermination of native americans over period of more than 100 years?

as for 4 Are You sure?

What are you implying? That you can prove otherwise?

as for 5 They did, they did...

When and where?



If you dig deep enough - every nation has its hands dirty... So what's the point?Have You read the "Black Book of Communism"? Have You lived 22 yrs of Your adult life in communist country? Have You in Your family people who were imprisoned and executed by communist regime? What the f*ck can You know about communism...? I don't have to prove anything to You.

As it comes to Yanks and others deeds throughout history... what the f*ck does it have to do with communism?

I must say, that I would really prefer to quarrel about communism with communist than with You, real commies at least know smth about communism...

Communism is not about country or a nation it's an ideology that is inhuman in it's roots... no other ideology has caused so many victims throughout all history of mankind... even the greatest plagues can not match it's death toll...

[usa320]

Hate to say it, but i think if someone blew off a nuke in a major American city, Syria, Iran and perhaps pakistan would be turned into parking lots...

In the event of such a drastic and devestating attack, i fear the only response would be a full scale strategic one.

A couple of cruise missiles just wouldnt do justice for the millions killed.

[usa320]

commies don't hijack planes and crash them into civilians

commies don't take hostages in theaters

commies don't blow up trains with civilians in them

commies don't take hospitals and executing pregnant women

commies don't blow up embassies


Someone has never been to North Korea i see.

:roll:

[WARPIG]

commies don't hijack planes and crash them into civilians

commies don't take hostages in theaters

commies don't blow up trains with civilians in them

commies don't take hospitals and executing pregnant women

commies don't blow up embassies


Someone has never been to North Korea i see.

:roll: To include you usa320?

[usa320]

hell yes...i would never go there...

[fdt]

hell yes...i would never go there... Some should go there to see a real communism in action. I knew once a NK guy. He was a student in our campus. As only best brainwashed scum was sent to study abroad he was extremely "nice". He wanted to live alone in a room, but according to hostel rules he was to tolerate a roommate. So he developed a sweet habit of beating out his roommates... For a long time he was quite succesful (taek.. **** ..wondo and such...) until he got my 6ft 5in friend as his mate. The second day of their cohabitation asshole was crushed... Asked how it was, my friend answered karate is karate... mass is a mass. ;)

And then in 1989 communism fell. Guys from NK embassy came for their "hero" and he was never heard of... I believe they wanted to save him from the poisoning influence of the normal country... Now he must be a proud communist party leader in his village... :lol:

[ShadowNeo]

If America decided to launch a Nuclear attack after such an attack in an American city occurred - it would, in my opinion, be pretty stupid.

Given USA230's comment, Nuking Pakistan, Syria or Libya is beyond stupidity, the terrorists kill innocent people and you retaliate and kill just as much if not more? What justice is in that?

Oh and given Permskii's comment about Muslims not fighting against terrorists, what about the Muslims who proudly serve in the armed forces in the UK and around the world? Get that anti-muslim **** out of your head for once.

[StukaJr]

Have You read the "Black Book of Communism"? Have You lived 22 yrs of Your adult life in communist country? Have You in Your family people who were imprisoned and executed by communist regime? What the f*ck can You know about communism...? I don't have to prove anything to You.

As it comes to Yanks and others deeds throughout history... what the f*ck does it have to do with communism?

I must say, that I would really prefer to quarrel about communism with communist than with You, real commies at least know smth about communism...

Communism is not about country or a nation it's an ideology that is inhuman in it's roots... no other ideology has caused so many victims throughout all history of mankind... even the greatest plagues can not match it's death toll...

Ummm - I've lived roughly 15 years in a socialist country - in Moscow, Russia to be exact. Have not had any personal experience with political prisoners nor have I known any cases of people politically imprisoned in my lifetime. I have my share of soviet propaganda instilled in my head, counter-balanced by Bulgakov, Solzhenizin and other people "burnt by the sun of the revolution" (little Michalkov there for you) What's your quiestion?

As for death toll - note that most of your examples will come from the era when people were persecuted and executed for simply being in the wrong country club at the wrong time. "Communists" killed "capitalist pigs" and "capitalist pigs" did their best to irradicate the world of "communism" - by any means possible and wherever one or the other side held the upper hand...

Communism does not call for extermination of its people or any crimes that were commited in its name - however, I'm not denying that it became a very easy tool in the hands of dictators to form a very effective meat grinder. Secondly, Russia and most of the countries that are painted communist, were never in fact communist - communism means absolute surrender of private property, abolishing monetary units and other utopical pipedream. Most of the "commie" countries were in fact socialist - in some countries socialism worked, in some it obviously didn't.... Of course you had your Stalinist purges, Khmer Roughe and other nightmare dictatorships - but what the heck! Paint everything with the same brush! Commies, Pol Pot, Canada, China - all commies, all the same! Perhaps I can add Hitler to the "democracy" and get away with it using the same methology!

That's where Yanks and other deeds in history come into the discussion - it was not the inherently evil commies commiting the crimes around the world - it was the inherently evil century where misinformation ran rampant, wrong kind of people were exterminated and all kind of WMD were tested on unsuspecting civilians by all sides... Yanks or the Commies! That's my point - don't make me prove it

Maybe you can calm down and discuss things instead of blowing your lid

[RomanS]

WOW. I haven’t seen a thread with this much bull**** in a long time. One idiot suggest that if a suitcase nuke pops off in the US that we go tap some random Muslims. Great idea. Instead of having the extremists wage Jihad against the US.. piss of every Muslim in the world and give the rest of the world reason to hate and fear us.
Where the hell did this commie discussion and Russian hate bull**** come from? It’s like watching junior high pot heads kick each other in the balls to see who will quit first.

We are doing what we should do right now. Putting pressure on Al queda in Afghanistan… giving Iraq a chance at stability and prosperity, and making the world aware that we will hunt terrorists down wherever they are. The more we give those countries that breed terrorist a chance to live in peace the fewer terrorists we will have. Seeking revenge for a hypothetical attack is not an answer. The question might be who do we blame for such an attack? Or how do we prevent them from doing it? If there is some aspiring Martyr out there with a mini nuke.. what are they waiting for? Someone has to tell them when to put the hit out. There has to be a message they are sending or a statement to make. What could we do to stop them? Nothing. Revenge won’t keep it from happening again. Heck, we could try the Nazi tactic and exterminate Muslims as Permiskiwoman would suggest. Hmm I am sure the world would stand for that. Reading permiski’s posts is like watching human evolution come to a screeching halt.

Listen Euro fag

You don't know jack **** about America, the United States, her history, people and beliefs here.

If you nuke USA, and kill hundreds of thousands of people here, you just gonna wish for a MOAB or something smaller.

American people will want revenge, they won't give a **** about good or bad muslims. If this happens let their alah help them.

If I survive it, I will grab the next seat on the plane to any place where USA will need me to kill those mother f u c ke rs.

Thats right. I live here, and respect USA, and will die for America if it comes to this, and I also know people here will want a revenge. They ain't going to listen to Euro homo****** pointers and advices on how to deal with our issues.

I don't think Russia or US listens to Europe right now.

So if we get nuked, tell the American people that responding with force is not an answer. if this tragedy ever happens, i would suggest for European people to shut the phuck up, and keep brewing your cheese, or come and help cleaning the mess. But most likely first one would be more appropriate for Europe to do. Its not like they are much help in anything.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

WOW. I haven’t seen a thread with this much bull**** in a long time. One idiot suggest that if a suitcase nuke pops off in the US that we go tap some random Muslims. Great idea. Instead of having the extremists wage Jihad against the US.. piss of every Muslim in the world and give the rest of the world reason to hate and fear us.
Where the hell did this commie discussion and Russian hate bull**** come from? It’s like watching junior high pot heads kick each other in the balls to see who will quit first.

We are doing what we should do right now. Putting pressure on Al queda in Afghanistan… giving Iraq a chance at stability and prosperity, and making the world aware that we will hunt terrorists down wherever they are. The more we give those countries that breed terrorist a chance to live in peace the fewer terrorists we will have. Seeking revenge for a hypothetical attack is not an answer. The question might be who do we blame for such an attack? Or how do we prevent them from doing it? If there is some aspiring Martyr out there with a mini nuke.. what are they waiting for? Someone has to tell them when to put the hit out. There has to be a message they are sending or a statement to make. What could we do to stop them? Nothing. Revenge won’t keep it from happening again. Heck, we could try the Nazi tactic and exterminate Muslims as Permiskiwoman would suggest. Hmm I am sure the world would stand for that. Reading permiski’s posts is like watching human evolution come to a screeching halt.

Listen Euro fag

You don't know jack **** about America, the United States, her history, people and beliefs here.

If you nuke USA, and kill hundreds of thousands of people here, you just gonna wish for a MOAB or something smaller.

American people will want revenge, they won't give a **** about good or bad muslims. If this happens let their alah help them.

If I survive it, I will grab the next seat on the plane to any place where USA will need me to kill those mother f u c ke rs.

Thats right. I live here, and respect USA, and will die for America if it comes to this, and I also know people here will want a revenge. They ain't going to listen to Euro homo****** pointers and advices on how to deal with our issues.

I don't think Russia or US listens to Europe right now.

So if we get nuked, tell the American people that responding with force is not an answer. if this tragedy ever happens, i would suggest for European people to shut the phuck up, and keep brewing your cheese, or come and help cleaning the mess. But most likely first one would be more appropriate for Europe to do. Its not like they are much help in anything.
Er.....huh I am lost on this one.

[Marmot1]

You will die for Russia You will die for USA, and what if both will enter in a conflict??? you will stand in the middle and commit suicide?

[Haiw]

WOW. I haven’t seen a thread with this much bull**** in a long time. One idiot suggest that if a suitcase nuke pops off in the US that we go tap some random Muslims. Great idea. Instead of having the extremists wage Jihad against the US.. piss of every Muslim in the world and give the rest of the world reason to hate and fear us.
Where the hell did this commie discussion and Russian hate bull**** come from? It’s like watching junior high pot heads kick each other in the balls to see who will quit first.

We are doing what we should do right now. Putting pressure on Al queda in Afghanistan… giving Iraq a chance at stability and prosperity, and making the world aware that we will hunt terrorists down wherever they are. The more we give those countries that breed terrorist a chance to live in peace the fewer terrorists we will have. Seeking revenge for a hypothetical attack is not an answer. The question might be who do we blame for such an attack? Or how do we prevent them from doing it? If there is some aspiring Martyr out there with a mini nuke.. what are they waiting for? Someone has to tell them when to put the hit out. There has to be a message they are sending or a statement to make. What could we do to stop them? Nothing. Revenge won’t keep it from happening again. Heck, we could try the Nazi tactic and exterminate Muslims as Permiskiwoman would suggest. Hmm I am sure the world would stand for that. Reading permiski’s posts is like watching human evolution come to a screeching halt.

Listen Euro fag

You don't know jack **** about America, the United States, her history, people and beliefs here.

If you nuke USA, and kill hundreds of thousands of people here, you just gonna wish for a MOAB or something smaller.

American people will want revenge, they won't give a **** about good or bad muslims. If this happens let their alah help them.

If I survive it, I will grab the next seat on the plane to any place where USA will need me to kill those mother f u c ke rs.

Thats right. I live here, and respect USA, and will die for America if it comes to this, and I also know people here will want a revenge. They ain't going to listen to Euro homo****** pointers and advices on how to deal with our issues.

I don't think Russia or US listens to Europe right now.

So if we get nuked, tell the American people that responding with force is not an answer. if this tragedy ever happens, i would suggest for European people to shut the phuck up, and keep brewing your cheese, or come and help cleaning the mess. But most likely first one would be more appropriate for Europe to do. Its not like they are much help in anything.
This is gonna be a strong contender in both the Most Stupid post of the year and Most Ignorant post of the year categories... :roll:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Awaiting the come back to PermskiiOMON's post with relish. :D

[RomanS]

WOW. I haven’t seen a thread with this much bull**** in a long time. One idiot suggest that if a suitcase nuke pops off in the US that we go tap some random Muslims. Great idea. Instead of having the extremists wage Jihad against the US.. piss of every Muslim in the world and give the rest of the world reason to hate and fear us.
Where the hell did this commie discussion and Russian hate bull**** come from? It’s like watching junior high pot heads kick each other in the balls to see who will quit first.

We are doing what we should do right now. Putting pressure on Al queda in Afghanistan… giving Iraq a chance at stability and prosperity, and making the world aware that we will hunt terrorists down wherever they are. The more we give those countries that breed terrorist a chance to live in peace the fewer terrorists we will have. Seeking revenge for a hypothetical attack is not an answer. The question might be who do we blame for such an attack? Or how do we prevent them from doing it? If there is some aspiring Martyr out there with a mini nuke.. what are they waiting for? Someone has to tell them when to put the hit out. There has to be a message they are sending or a statement to make. What could we do to stop them? Nothing. Revenge won’t keep it from happening again. Heck, we could try the Nazi tactic and exterminate Muslims as Permiskiwoman would suggest. Hmm I am sure the world would stand for that. Reading permiski’s posts is like watching human evolution come to a screeching halt.

Listen Euro fag

You don't know jack **** about America, the United States, her history, people and beliefs here.

If you nuke USA, and kill hundreds of thousands of people here, you just gonna wish for a MOAB or something smaller.

American people will want revenge, they won't give a **** about good or bad muslims. If this happens let their alah help them.

If I survive it, I will grab the next seat on the plane to any place where USA will need me to kill those mother f u c ke rs.

Thats right. I live here, and respect USA, and will die for America if it comes to this, and I also know people here will want a revenge. They ain't going to listen to Euro homo****** pointers and advices on how to deal with our issues.

I don't think Russia or US listens to Europe right now.

So if we get nuked, tell the American people that responding with force is not an answer. if this tragedy ever happens, i would suggest for European people to shut the phuck up, and keep brewing your cheese, or come and help cleaning the mess. But most likely first one would be more appropriate for Europe to do. Its not like they are much help in anything.
This is gonna be a strong contender in both the Most Stupid post of the year and Most Ignorant post of the year categories... :roll:

Read your location, and go make your cheese

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Er... Permski WARPIG is not a Euro he is an American.

[RomanS]

hard to tell when he acts like a european liberal

[UkrainianAmerican]

Nu naverno yesche odin is samogo LEVOGO shtata :D

[RomanS]

калифорния, из гей-франциско 100 пудов

[StukaJr]

He is probably like me - happily residing in People's Republic of California... Don't belive me - just look at our flag... It has a bear and a red star on it rofl

http://www.notfrisco.com/calmem/bearflag.jpg

Dammit - you beat me to the punch!

[5jumpchump]

"If there is some aspiring Martyr out there with a mini nuke.. what are they waiting for?"

Maybe they are waiting for the re-elections . They nailed Spain on re-election day so maybe they have the same plan for us ? Either way if one goes off i think there will many attacks on the muslims and Arabs that live here in the states on a scale that will have to keep them in camps for thier saftey . :(

[UkrainianAmerican]

He is probably like me - happily residing in People's Republic of California... Don't belive me - just look at our flag... It has a bear and a red star on it rofl

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/flags/usa/caflagb.gif
Hmm, the thought has crossed my mind. :lol:

[RomanS]

"If there is some aspiring Martyr out there with a mini nuke.. what are they waiting for?"

Maybe they are waiting for the re-elections . They nailed Spain on re-election day so maybe they have the same plan for us ? Either way if one goes off i think there will many attacks on the muslims and Arabs that live here in the states on a scale that will have to keep them in camps for thier saftey . :(

Very true

Why throw your wild card on the table right away?
Keep the best for last

I too agree for muslims to get into one place if the nuke goes off in US. It will be worst in the southern states especially. This is where majority of real American patriots live, and they won't give a **** what part of Pakistan the person is from.

Once you will start seeing thousands of dead Americans on the street, women, children, elders, there will be no time explaining on which part of good muslim you are.

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace

[Marmot1]

The EU’s
population is estimated at 365 million people, being 7% of the world’s total population
(more than USA and Japan combined) and the EU’s trade accounts for 27% of the world’s
total Gross Domestic Production.

Add to this 80+ million in 2 months and couple percent so it would be like 1/3 of world GDP comes to EU. Add non EU countries in europe and it would be even more... Sorry it is more than Russia so guess who is better partner for US?

[ShadowNeo]

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace

You are becoming more and more of a disgrace every day with this anti-muslim bull****.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace

You are becoming more and more of a disgrace every day with this anti-muslim bull****.
I agree, Permski does post some good technical stuff but he is an inveterate racist.

[RomanS]

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace

You are becoming more and more of a disgrace every day with this anti-muslim bull****.

I would be anti-British as well if my best friends were killed by Brits.

SO SUE ME

[Marmot1]

"If there is some aspiring Martyr out there with a mini nuke.. what are they waiting for?"

Maybe they are waiting for the re-elections . They nailed Spain on re-election day so maybe they have the same plan for us ? Either way if one goes off i think there will many attacks on the muslims and Arabs that live here in the states on a scale that will have to keep them in camps for thier saftey . :(

Very true

Why throw your wild card on the table right away?
Keep the best for last

I too agree for muslims to get into one place if the nuke goes off in US. It will be worst in the southern states especially. This is where majority of real American patriots live, and they won't give a **** what part of Pakistan the person is from.

Once you will start seeing thousands of dead Americans on the street, women, children, elders, there will be no time explaining on which part of good muslim you are.

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace
:cantbeli:
Yeah put them in concentration camps use ciklon-B and make the "Muslim endlosung"

And then change name from USA to 4th REICH and all ppl will be happy...

:cantbeli:

[StukaJr]

But US produces 33% of the world's trash... 11 million tons a year - that's almost 115 lbs per person daily... rofl

[UkrainianAmerican]

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace

You are becoming more and more of a disgrace every day with this anti-muslim bull****.
I agree, Permski does post some good technical stuff but he is an inveterate racist.
No, seriously Islam is not a race.

[Marmot1]

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace

You are becoming more and more of a disgrace every day with this anti-muslim bull****.
I agree, Permski does post some good technical stuff but he is an inveterate racist.
As long as he post pics everything is ok but when he use keyboard.... :slap:

[UkrainianAmerican]

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace

You are becoming more and more of a disgrace every day with this anti-muslim bull****.
I agree, Permski does post some good technical stuff but he is an inveterate racist.
As long as he post pics everything is ok but when he use keyboard.... :slap:
Dont you have to review for a law test or something?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

No, seriously Islam is not a race.
I know that but its Permski's attempt to bash Muslims and Isalm at every turn that sticks in my craw its this kind of hate that dragging the forum down.

[RomanS]

If US gets nuked, i seriously doubt Europe will even offer their help.
Their tail will be tacked in between their legs, and they will squick like little lemmings in fear and horror.

On September 11th 2001 WHO WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO CALL G.W.BUSH to express his Condolences and offer any help if needed.

Believe me my friends, Russia will be the first country again to step up, and help USA recover.

It's not just my words. When my American friends went to Russia with me, many Russian officers and operators expressed their SUPPORT if anything happens to US.

Some were still very pissed at muslim terrorists for what they did to USA.

So if a situation like a suitcase nuke happens, Russia can provide a lot more resources than anyother country for US. And I will be there to give all I have, including translations, connections etc...

[ShadowNeo]

No, seriously Islam is not a race.

So your saying some of the crap that he is posting should simply be overlooked on the technicality that Islam isn't defined as a race? :cantbeli:

[Marmot1]

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace

You are becoming more and more of a disgrace every day with this anti-muslim bull****.
I agree, Permski does post some good technical stuff but he is an inveterate racist.
As long as he post pics everything is ok but when he use keyboard.... :slap:
Dont you have to review for a law test or something?
No. :backhand:

[Haiw]

Its not a RACE for CHRIST'S SAKE!

its a disgrace

You are becoming more and more of a disgrace every day with this anti-muslim bull****.
He seems to have taken quite a generous drink of Sixguns anti-Europe bottle as well... :roll:

[RomanS]

No, seriously Islam is not a race.

So your saying some of the crap that he is posting should simply be overlooked on the technicality that Islam isn't defined as a race? :cantbeli:

how is Islam = race

So when you fill out an aplication for anything, and you are from Pakistan lets say. What do you fill in the RACE space?

Islamic?
loool

[ShadowNeo]

If US gets nuked, i seriously doubt Europe will even offer their help.
Their tail will be tacked in between their legs, and they will squick like little lemmings in fear and horror.

On September 11th 2001 WHO WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO CALL G.W.BUSH to express his Condolences and offer any help if needed.

Believe me my friends, Russia will be the first country again to step up, and help USA recover.

It's not just my words. When my American friends went to Russia with me, many Russian officers and operators expressed their SUPPORT if anything happens to US.

Some were still very pissed at muslim terrorists for what they did to USA.

So if a situation like a suitcase nuke happens, Russia can provide a lot more resources than anyother country for US. And I will be there to give all I have, including translations, connections etc...

Here we go with the proud-russian stuff again :roll: . So your president happened to have Bush on the speed-dial, woopie. I guess that completely negates the condolences received from other countries :roll: .

You seem to be confusing the world stance on Iraq with the world stance on 9/11 again.

[UkrainianAmerican]

No, seriously Islam is not a race.

So your saying some of the crap that he is posting should simply be overlooked on the technicality that Islam isn't defined as a race? :cantbeli:
Not a technicality.
Islam like most religions is an ideology. Hence wheres a racist hates people because they are born into a certain race/ethnicity, Islam is hated bacause it is a belief. If you are born to arab parents but dont believe in the Koran you are not muslim, and definitely not islamist.

[ShadowNeo]

how is Islam = race

So when you fill out an aplication for anything, and you are from Pakistan lets say. What do you fill in the RACE space?

Islamic?
loool

Didn't say that Islam was a race, but your apparent inability to distinguish Islamic Extremists from law abiding Muslims is just as bad as someones prejudices against a certain country or race.

And many application forms in this country do happen to have Religion as a box, and yes, Muslims are included. Along with Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, Jews and every other religion.

[Marmot1]

OK you hate muslims only becouse of their faith. Now better...? and definition for you if it is so hard for you to understand that this is not apriciated on this forum


Religious discrimination
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Religious descrimintation is valuing a person or group lower because of their faith, or treating someone differently because of what they believe.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

If US gets nuked, i seriously doubt Europe will even offer their help.
Their tail will be tacked in between their legs, and they will squick like little lemmings in fear and horror.
Well it seems to be the European nations that are helping to restore order in Afghanistan, you remember Afghanistan don't you, no disrespect to the Russians that died there but it was mission not accomplished for the Russian military was it not, it must be galling to think that it was America, Europe and the Gulf States that helped fund and arm the Afghans.




Believe me my friends, Russia will be the first country again to step up, and help USA recover.
Help yourselves first that would be a better idea, I have no dislike of Russians Permski but ultra nationalist bleatings are becoming painful.

[UkrainianAmerican]

OK you hate muslims only becouse of their faith now better... and definition for you if it is so hard for you to understand that this is not apriciated on this forum


Religious discrimination
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Religious descrimintation is valuing a person or group lower because of their faith, or treating someone differently because of what they believe.
Well if they believe that i am an infidel ripe for extermination, then I sure dont think very highly of them.

[ShadowNeo]

Well if they believe that i am an infidel ripe for extermination, then I sure dont think very highly of them.

You truly believe all Muslims think that? :cantbeli:

[Marmot1]

OK you hate muslims only becouse of their faith now better... and definition for you if it is so hard for you to understand that this is not apriciated on this forum


Religious discrimination
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Religious descrimintation is valuing a person or group lower because of their faith, or treating someone differently because of what they believe.
Well if they believe that i am an infidel ripe for extermination, then I sure dont think very highly of them.

Not all of them have belives simmilar to permski, most of them are very peacefull and friendly just like most of russians, and I know a few...(russians & muslims)

BTW. There is 1 bilion muslims and only small group is really extremistic most of them are peacefull.

[UkrainianAmerican]

OK you hate muslims only becouse of their faith now better... and definition for you if it is so hard for you to understand that this is not apriciated on this forum


Religious discrimination
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Religious descrimintation is valuing a person or group lower because of their faith, or treating someone differently because of what they believe.
Well if they believe that i am an infidel ripe for extermination, then I sure dont think very highly of them.

Not all of them have belives simmilar to permski, most of them are very peacefull and friendly just like most of russians, and I know a few...(russians & muslims)

BTW. There is 1 bilion muslims and only small group is really extremistic most of them are peacefull.
I know a few muslims too. On a personal level they are pretty friendly and kind. When the conversation ends up being about politics, I want to rip their heads off.

[Marmot1]

OK you hate muslims only becouse of their faith now better... and definition for you if it is so hard for you to understand that this is not apriciated on this forum


Religious discrimination
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Religious descrimintation is valuing a person or group lower because of their faith, or treating someone differently because of what they believe.
Well if they believe that i am an infidel ripe for extermination, then I sure dont think very highly of them.

Not all of them have belives simmilar to permski, most of them are very peacefull and friendly just like most of russians, and I know a few...(russians & muslims)

BTW. There is 1 bilion muslims and only small group is really extremistic most of them are peacefull.
I know a few muslims too. On a personal level they are pretty friendly and kind. When the conversation ends up being about politics, I want to rip their heads off.
And they want your. It's OK as long as you and them only "want" and don't "act". Besides there was only one system where everyone must had the same opinion as others and it was called comunism, in democratic coutry it is normal that ppl have diferent opinions. OK enaugh for today I must go to bed since in the morning I will have chit-chat with Police ;) (need to register new weapon and it take a lot of "red tape" in poland to do this...)

[RomanS]

how is Islam = race

So when you fill out an aplication for anything, and you are from Pakistan lets say. What do you fill in the RACE space?

Islamic?
loool

Didn't say that Islam was a race, but your apparent inability to distinguish Islamic Extremists from law abiding Muslims is just as bad as someones prejudices against a certain country or race.

And many application forms in this country do happen to have Religion as a box, and yes, Muslims are included. Along with Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, Jews and every other religion.

I never said I HATE ALL THE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD!

I do hate the extrimists with all my SOUL, and the rest of the muslims I don't respect and don't trust them.

I have all the mother fuking reasons and rights to have this opinion.

When I was younger and more stupid - I didnt care for the muslims.
I started caring a lot more when I was shoping with my mother at the market in Moscow.

She was constantly getting hit on, and whistled by Azeris, Chechen, Afgani and other muslim immigrant workers. It pissed me off, because they didnt have the respect for a woman.

The serious **** began when my friend was stabed by an Azeri thugs. 27 stabs because his sister was abused by them, and he came to the market with a pipe and cracked a scull of an Azeri who took part in the rape.

And than we had a group of Afganis living near a movie theater. They were refugees from the war, and were common in Russia. The mother fukers tried to preach their islam to me everytime they saw me with my friends coming out of Svyato Danilov monastery. Their appartment block was across from it.

in 1993 my mom recieved a phone call from her friends living in Grozny. They were asking us for shelter, and money to get them the hell out of there.

You know those times come on. When Russia chose to be democratic, and drop the communism bull****, but Dzhohar Dudaev chose extreme islamic rule of sharia for his new country.

My mom sent the money to her friend, and she came to live with us. She tolled us the new Chechen police were going around the city and killing many Russian non-believing in allah families.

When the war started, my friend was sent there with 245th regiment and was sent to relocate from Goiskoe to Komsomolskoe. Near Yarish Mardi on april 16th his column was attacked, and slaughtered.

After the fight was over, Chechen muslim fighters were carving interesting artistic designs on the chests of dead Russian soldiers. For many hours they cut off parts of their bodies, and the things they did to their faces were horrible. All because they didn't want the parents of the kids to have an open casket funeral.

My friend, whom my mom adopted in 1986 (who i lived with like a brother) came in from the 124th Rostov Lab in a zinc casket in the 4th city hospital near Serpuhov street.

After many hours of recognition process, my mom finally recognized him and collapsed. The military officer tolled us he was one of many discriminated like this after the battle.

There was another kid that I grew up with that came back home without his head, *****, testicals and arms. The video tape with his execution later was shared with us by my friend from MVD.

He too, like Eugene Rodionov was asked to convert to Islam or die. He didnt say a word, and was beheaded by Islamic mis understood peacful people.

I was grinding my teeth hard when I watched the video tape. I moved my cheeks up and down during the funeral to hide crying when his mother got on her knees and started beating her head against the casket.

The final end came when my friends were watching a tape from the Bamut death camp. The local civilians participated in the beheading of several Russian soldiers. Chechen kids were stabing the twitching young Russian soldier with AKM bayonets, as he layed there bleeding out of his throat.

Another Chechen women came in out of the crowd, and grabed the knife in agner off the Chechen freedom fighter (he was in the middle of slicing the throat of another soldier) and started finishing the job herself. As she finished the job, her face covered in blood and her left eye twitching, she walks towards the camera holding the head of the soldier and screaming
THIS WILL HAPPEN TO EVERY KAFIR WHO COMES TO CHECHNYA


NOW YOU GONNA TRY TO CHANGE MY MIND????????????

GOOD FU C KING LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RomanS]

There was a peacful time in my life in the years of 1997,1998 and 1999

I came to USA, and it was my best time of my life. I didnt want to think about Chechnya anymore, about my friends throats being sliced, and other stuff like that.

I started to concentrate on my career in show business, and what did I get?

Beautiful job, lovely girl on the side, best American friends, life was the ****!

On August 1999 I was following the succseful operation, when our forces pushed the Chechens away from Dagestan. Remember when Hatab and Basaev invaded our neighbor? It felt good to see them being ****ed up. The Chechen responce came in onn September 1999 when a bunch of apartment buldings in Moscow were blown up.

I had Russian TV, and was watching our fire man carefully putting remains of a young boy into the body bag, and than he had to sit down, and cry.

Another war started. This time Putin made it clear. Russia will put an end to the armed thugs and bandits. First months of war went on a huge sucsess. Grozny was taken with minium casualties, Gudermess and Urus Martan fell right after. Chechens had to get help. Guess who came for it.
Al queda was the first and the biggest sponsor. Thousands of islamists came to help their allah brothers.

And everything was all over again. Endless executions of Russian soldiers, police man, priests, construction workers, their own people even.

I was far away though! In a new world, and being happier than ever. I was proud to be around American people. They treated me with respect, love and gave me the chance to be who i want to be.

On September 11th 2001 ...........

[Marmot1]

Nobody want to change your mind. But keep your racial/religion slur for yourself. My familly ,instead tasted some "civilization" from soviet's in Katyń, in prisons, etc. but that do not mean that I have to hate and kill every Russian in the world. If you dont like muslims it's OK but keep it to yourselve and don't deign us with this.

[James]

IMHO, such attacks might kill a few bad guys, a lot of civilians, and create a new, larger generation of people who want to do bad things to us, not because of ideology, but because now they want revenge.

Anyway, just a thought.

Unfortunately, civilians die in every major military campaign - by direct and inderect means... Smart weapons that go off course, tons of dumb bombs dropped on the nation, unexploded ordinance, campaigns waged entirely from the air - you can't have wars that only target armed enemy combatants! Wars are bloody, messy, they kill civilians in their homes, send people homeless or destroy foodstocks for them to starve - unexploded ordinance kills civilians generations after the war is over. It's the sad sad truth but there is no reason to wear the pink shades and pretend everything is hunky dory.

As for future generations hating "us" or "them" for taking military actions against the madmen running their country - that's pure bull crap! Germany doesn't hate America for Carpet bombing that flattened their cities (single raid to Drezden killed more civilians than A-Bomb in Nagasaki - more than 100,000), Japanese don't send suicide bombers for millions of civilians that burnt up in napalm flames dropped on cities with no military targets - because these nations had their economy rebuilt, future generations were given means of living happy lives. Majority of people would not join a rebellion unless they had no other means of supporting themselves...

Eh...

Thanks for that insight. I was referring to earlier references about flattening entire cities, not dropping a few J-Dams here and there. Of course wars are dirty and messy. TO think otherwise is to show ignorance.

I have to disagree with your assertions about inciting future hatred against us as well. We aren't talking about a conventional war against a nation state with an organized government, etc. We are talking about war against a statelss terrorist organization. As an example...

An act takes place against a city in the U.S. We track the ringleaders to Karachi Pakistan. The terrorists are not Pakistani, but they are holed up in an apartment complex. We bomb said apartment complex. 12 trerrorists are killed, and 300 Pakistani civilians die.

I just made up that scenario, but I really don't think that the freidns and relatives of those dead civilians who were innocent would think,

"Gee, war is a dirty business, and it is tragic that my friends/family members were killed, but good in the end because 12 terrorists were killed."

I think they would want a piece of our hide.

Apparently my ideas weren't clear in my original post, so I'll try and clarify them now.

I don't think it is a good idea to flatten entire cities simply because we know that there are some terrorists there.

UBL is Yemeni/Saudi, correct? I don't think it would have been appropriate to flatten Riyadh in the days immediately after 9/11.

That was my point. I hope this heped clarify my position.

[Tane Angle]

True, the rules of our culture do not apply in other lands. At least a fair portion of the attacks in Iraq have been launched by angry family members of an innocent civilian killed by our forces there. Likewise, many of the female suicide bombers in Israel-Palestine were actually very peaceful people before a family member was killed, driving them to seek vengeance. Vengeance begets vengeance. Sadly, sometimes we have to accept some civilian casualties, but it should be most grudgingly that we do so.

Also, I just wanted to clarify that I bear no dislike for the Russian people or government. I've met some very respectable Russians through work, very professional folks.

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

[AK-Lover]

man if the muslims want to be martyrs and go to allah why don't we help them out! :P
http://www.disastershelters.net/images/resources/bomb.jpg
****ERS! rofl
http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1018333399232_2002/04/11/wld12japan.jpg
Or we can save money and reduce political "fallout" by the god ol' proven and true .......CARPET BOMBING! they deserve no better anyway :D woot rofl rofl

[StukaJr]

Ignore AK-Lover, ignore AK-lover, ignore... breath in... breath out... breath in....
____________________________________________________________
To James:

I see your point, I guess there is some miscommunication as at least our views are not that far off. I'm not advocating leveling civilian targets in the countries that instigated terrorism - however, assault on a nation in force will produce high enough casualties among civilian population to alienate some/all people. Heck, everybody remembers those SNAFU during Kosovo air campaign when US bombed chinese embassy due to bad intel, bombing of tribal meetings in the Mog or dropping food supplies into minefields - nobody planned it that way, but consequences are no less the same.

Almost all of the highjackers that participated in 9/11 attack were Saudi citizens and Osama Bin Laden with his henchmen are Saudi (heck, Bin Laden is royalty) - however, it was Taliban controlled Afganistan that gave these men safe heaven and base of operation.

How about this example - any given nation army, guargmired in guierilla warfare, surrounds a potentual target that is believed to have terrorists inside. Army moves in to take building, comes under heavy fire - retaliates with heavy weapons and kills everybody inside. Upon inspection of the building - finds a dozen dead terrorist among a dozen dead civilians. Could those civilians be aiding and abaiting terrorists? Did the terrorists took civilians hostage? Could the deaths of civilians be avoided without exposing the one's army to a lot more dangers?

There are a lot of scenarios where indiscriminate use of air power + bad intel lost support or even alienated population against the nation that was there to help/mediate internal conflict. There are also scenarios where civilians purposely mix themselves in with enemy combatants so their deaths make interfering force look bad.

[GrimmyRX]

Give the MUSLIMS of the world 48 hours to give out responsibile for such attacks, or any information leading to arrest of the terrorists.

After 48 hours if nothing comes out of it, randomly start launching MOABs on the cities in the Middle East.

They kill our people, we kill theirs.

Sorry I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY OUT.

Yes, because EVERY Muslim must have participated in the nuking of an American City. :bash:

[GrimmyRX]

Hate to say it, but i think if someone blew off a nuke in a major American city, Syria, Iran and perhaps pakistan would be turned into parking lots...

In the event of such a drastic and devestating attack, i fear the only response would be a full scale strategic one.

A couple of cruise missiles just wouldnt do justice for the millions killed.

So, lets say 1 mill Americans are killed in a Nuclear blast, are you saying that this one million equals the combined population of Syria, Iran and Pakistan?

[StukaJr]

In My Humble opinion - retaliatory nuclear strikes would be out of the quiestion. In case of a dirty bomb attack, portable nuke set off in a majorly populated area or any act of terrorism of unseen proportions in casualties - the world would form a very strong coallition, led by the nation that suffered the attack, with dedication the world has not seen since WWII. Plain and simple - every nation unable to police its own citizens or combat guierillas would see interference from the coalittion - maybe not all at once, but defenitely in quick succession.

[AK-Lover]

And why not nuke them back? I'd rather like to see massive carpet bombing with HE and Incendiary bombs to produce as much destruction and horrific burning effect as possible in retaliation to 1 million of my civilains being killed. StukaJr, you just have too much empathy to the muslims maybe you should go join al-qaida you terrorist ****wad! :bash: :slap:

[StukaJr]

:hug: You are one funny guy, AK-Lover...

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Don't worry AK-Lover you will see some carpet bombing soon in whats left of Greater Serbia, your Serb brothers will no doubt get all worked up over the recent events in Kosovo and have another go at ethnic cleansing only to cleansed themselves by the US Airforce again, a couple of bombing runs over Belgrade should give the folks back home something to write about.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Don't worry AK-Lover you will see some carpet bombing soon in whats left of Greater Serbia, your Serb brothers will no doubt get all worked up over the recent events in Kosovo and have another go at ethnic cleansing only to cleansed themselves by the US Airforce again, a couple of bombing runs over Belgrade should give the folks back home something to write about.

rofl

I would be the first one lined up to to press the cruise missle button.

[ShadowNeo]

dibs on second in line.

[Backis]

Now the king told the boogie man
You have to let that raga drop
The oil down the desertway
Has been shakin' to the top
The sheik he drove his Cadillac
He went a cruisin' down the ville
The muezzin was a standing
On the radiator grille

The shareef don't like it
Nuke the casbah Nuke the casbah
The shareef don't like it
Nuke the casbah Nuke the casbah

By order of the prophet
We ban that boogie sound
Degenerate the faithful
Whit that crazy casbah sound
But the beduin they brought out
The electric cameldrum
The local guitar picker
Got his guitar picking thumb
As soon as the shareef had cleared the square
They began to wail

Nowover at the temple - oh!
They really pack 'em in
They in-crowd says it's cool
To dig this chanting thing
But as the chanting direction
And the temple band took five
The crowd took a wiff
Of that crazy casbah jive

The king called up his jet fighters
He said you better earn your pay
Drop your bombs between minarets
Down the casbah way

As soon as the shareef
Was chauffeured outta there
The jet pilots tuned to
The cockpit radio blare
As soon as the shareef was
Outta their hair
The jet pilots wailed

The shareef don't like it
Nuke the casbah Nuke the casbah.

He thinks it's not kosher
Fundamentally he can't take it
You know he really hates it.



I'm surprised the old "nuke Mecca" hasn't surfaced yet... :roll:

-edit-
Stupid me forgot to mention that this is a slightly modified version of "Rock The Casbah" by The Clash.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

http://www.danzigercartoons.com/img/2004/dancart1960.jpg
Thought this was funny its sort of in keeping with Permski's "the Chechens did Madrid" statement.

[AK-Lover]

http://www.baileythomson.btinternet.co.uk/assets/saddam_killdaddy.jpg
Owned! rofl rofl