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RomanS
03-22-2004, 07:20 PM
http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/Vol3Issue11/Vol3Issue11Lefkowitz.html

WOW

How long till they target USA? Years? perhaps months?


Terror on the Trains and Al Qaeda's Chechen Connection

Josh Lefkowitz and Lorenzo Vidino

The devastating bomb attacks that ripped through four commuter trains and killed more than 200 people in Madrid on March 11 has led security analysts to focus on securing the world’s railroad networks. Unfortunately, experts throughout the world agree that railroads cannot be completely protected from terrorist attacks, since the implementation of airport-style security measures is largely unfeasible.

Always eager to exploit vulnerabilities, terrorists have demonstrated a sustained interest in targeting rail systems. While a number of plots have been thwarted by solid intelligence gathering and aggressive police work, there is every indication that subways and trains will continue to be attractive targets for terrorists, who have been able to refine their tactics by studying previous plots. There is evidence, for example, that the Madrid bombers may have learned from the past successful efforts of Chechen terrorists.

Chechens have used nearly every conceivable tactic to inflict maximum damage: from suicide bombers blowing themselves up on commuter trains during the morning rush hour to planting bombs on railway tracks in the proximity of crowded stations. While last month’s bombing of the Moscow subway, which claimed forty lives, attracted widespread press coverage, several other attacks in the rural southern areas of Russia by Chechen terrorists have received little attention despite the carnage they have caused.

Significantly, a now-dismantled Al-Qaeda cell that was based in Madrid and actively helped in the planning of 9/11 had several key links to Chechen extremists. In fact, Imad Eddine Barakat Yarkas, the now incarcerated leader of the cell, is accused by Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon of having recruited several militants to train and fight in Chechnya alongside Al Qaeda. Moreover, Yarkas coordinated fundraising efforts within the Madrid Muslim community for Chechen “freedom fighters.”

Abu Qatada, a Palestinian cleric who Spanish authorities have described as “Al-Qaeda’s spiritual leader in Europe,” coordinated the Chechen fundraising from London. Yarkas frequently traveled to London to give funds collected in Spain to Abu Qatada, and, on at least one occasion, was accompanied by Said Chedadi, another member of the Madrid cell involved in fundraising for the “Chechen brothers.” Chedadi is known to have been close to Mohammed Chaoui, one of the three Moroccan men arrested on March 13 by Spanish authorities for their involvement in the deadly Madrid bombings. Another Moroccan alleged to be involved in the bombings, Jamal Zougam, was found with several tapes about jihad in Chechnya, when Spanish authorities searched his Madrid apartment in July of 2001.

While the Chechens serve as the most likely model, there is no shortage of examples of planned and successful attacks on the world’s rail systems. Prior to 9/11, terrorists bombed the Paris metro and released poison gas in the Tokyo subway system. In addition, since 9/11, counterterrorism agents have broken up plots to launch a cyanide attack on the London Tube and bomb railway stations in Dresden and Madrid.

In the United States, the rail network has also been repeatedly targeted. On July 31, 1997, the NYPD launched a pre-dawn raid on an apartment in Brooklyn, New York, after receiving information that two men living in the apartment planned to bomb the New York City subway system. During the raid, police discovered nail-studded pipe bombs, one of which, in the words of a senior law enforcement official, was “all set and ready to go.” NYPD Commissioner Howard Safir remarked, “these individuals intended to take these bombs onto subway trains, set them off, and the probability is that they and many others would have been killed.”

The vulnerability of the New York City subway system again came into focus in September 2003, when Time magazine reported that Saudi Arabia had detained a terrorist with extensive knowledge of a plot to launch a poison gas attack on the subways. In April 2003, news broke that another captured terrorist, Al-Qaeda operations head Khalid Sheik Mohammed, had informed interrogators of an Al-Qaeda plan to target Washington D.C.’s metro.

The warnings from Mohammed and the detainee in Saudi Arabia roughly corroborated an October 2002 FBI statement that “information from debriefings of Al-Qaeda detainees as of mid-October indicates that the group has considered directly targeting U.S. passenger trains, possibly using operatives who have a Western appearance.” The statement also noted, “recently captured Al-Qaeda photographs of U.S. railroad engines, cars and crossings heighten the intelligence community's concern of this threat.”

The information gleaned from the detainees, coupled with the foiled 1997 Brooklyn bombing plot, make clear the peril posed to the U.S. rail system. When this bleak picture is merged with the international threat assessment, it seems likely that the horrors of Madrid may be repeated in the not so distant future.

AK-Lover
03-22-2004, 07:32 PM
Now they have just probably gotten the rest of the non-muslim world on russia's side with chechnya. The west needs to realize the same thing for kosovo. :)

Mr Gently Benevolent
03-22-2004, 07:37 PM
Now they have just probably gotten the rest of the non-muslim world on russia's side with chechnya. The west needs to realize the same thing for kosovo. :)
Nah we will probably just bomb the **** out of the Serbs as usual.

RomanS
03-22-2004, 07:37 PM
Now they have just probably gotten the rest of the non-muslim world on russia's side with chechnya. The west needs to realize the same thing for kosovo. :)

WRONG

Certain people in US are on the Russia's side. Majority either don't care, or pro-Chechen. Its a fact.

Europe is pro-Chechen. It will hurt me to see Chechens attack Europe in the future. But even than, they will still be pro-Chechen.

World doesnt want to see Russia as friend, powerful and super power.
;)

cut
03-22-2004, 07:56 PM
I don't think people in europe are particularly pro-chechen, I've never heard anything to suggest that, most people don't really care about chechnya.

RomanS
03-22-2004, 07:57 PM
I don't think people in europe are particularly pro-chechen, I've never heard anything to suggest that, most people don't really care about chechnya.

they soon will start caring after Chechens will bend you all over and do you with the beats of dj alah

Mr Gently Benevolent
03-22-2004, 08:02 PM
they soon will start caring after Chechens will bend you all over and do you with the beats of dj alah
You make it sound all so interesting, dj alah does not play much these days since he sprained his mixing wrist when firing an RPG-7 at a Chechen rebel training camp in Thanet, he's like all spasticated.

cut
03-22-2004, 08:10 PM
they soon will start caring after Chechens will bend you all over and do you with the beats of dj alah

how did you come across that particular conclusion?

RomanS
03-22-2004, 08:11 PM
its a matter of time before Chechen terrorists will atack Europe.

France is been warned read the news.

cut
03-22-2004, 08:14 PM
indeed but why would Europe support chechens?

RomanS
03-22-2004, 08:15 PM
because OBSE is made of them

cut
03-22-2004, 08:17 PM
OBSE?

RomanS
03-22-2004, 08:21 PM
in English OSCE

http://www.osce.org/

cut
03-22-2004, 08:24 PM
And that means Europeans support chechens? by that logic everyone in the UK or Spain supported the war in Iraq.

Haiw
03-22-2004, 08:27 PM
...and that every Muslim is a terrorist.

Oops...did I say that out loud?

AK-Lover
03-22-2004, 08:30 PM
Nah we will probably just bomb the **** out of the Serbs as usual.
great, and then when the world terrorists need a new training ground.....kosovo! Since the 90% Albanian muslim popualtion supported KLA terrorists who had strong ties to Al-Qaida overwhelmingly and then that same Al-Qaida reamed america 2 years later.......... While you talk you're stupid bull**** I hope you know children died from nato bombs both serbian and albanian children. In fact a bomb was dropped on the same nursery hospital where I was born. I guess I can say from a bystander point of view "naw, well just probably fly some more plane's into New York as usual" Think what you say my friend. :|

cut
03-22-2004, 08:31 PM
Nah we will probably just bomb the **** out of the Serbs as usual.
great, and then when the world terrorists need a new training ground.....kosovo! Since the 90% Albanian muslim popualtion supported KLA terrorists who had strong ties to Al-Qaida overwhelmingly and then that same Al-Qaida reamed america 2 years later.......... While you talk you're stupid bull**** I hope you know children died from nato bombs both serbian and albanian children. In fact a bomb was dropped on the same nursery hospital where I was born. I guess I can say from a bystander point of view "naw, well just probably fly some more plane's into New York as usual" Think what you say my friend. :|

keep your friends close and your enemies closer

Mr Gently Benevolent
03-23-2004, 04:58 AM
Nah we will probably just bomb the **** out of the Serbs as usual.
great, and then when the world terrorists need a new training ground.....kosovo! Since the 90% Albanian muslim popualtion supported KLA terrorists who had strong ties to Al-Qaida overwhelmingly and then that same Al-Qaida reamed america 2 years later.......... While you talk you're stupid bull**** I hope you know children died from nato bombs both serbian and albanian children. In fact a bomb was dropped on the same nursery hospital where I was born. I guess I can say from a bystander point of view "naw, well just probably fly some more plane's into New York as usual" Think what you say my friend. :|
I did not think you would be so squeamish about dead children, lets face it your Serb brothers filled more than a few mass graves with them in Bosnia.

Elmo
03-23-2004, 05:23 AM
Now, where does it say that "Chechens are behind the Madrid attacks" in the article????

PermskiiOMON, :cantbeli:

Mr Gently Benevolent
03-23-2004, 05:47 AM
Now, where does it say that "Chechens are behind the Madrid attacks" in the article????

PermskiiOMON, :cantbeli:
Yeah I noticed that I think its a case of wishful thinking. I will just wait to Spanish authorities ID the group behind the attack.

wulfstan
03-23-2004, 08:37 AM
I've met hundreds of Albanian Kosovars here in the UK, and the feeling i got was they (esp the younger ones) aren't interested in Islam much. The way they see it is that they were forced into Islam by years of Turkish rule during the Ottoman empire, convert or die, as one guy put it. Historically the Albanians are Catholic, after all Albania is a Catholic country by and large, it's just that the Albanian Kosovars found themselves in Serb ruled former Yugoslavia, where they were mostly muslim.
In Kosovo, they were alienated from the Serb government and system due to the Islamic hang over from the Turkish era.

ibstolidude
03-23-2004, 09:16 AM
in English OSCE

http://www.osce.org/
Organising Some Crappy Elections

Loco
03-24-2004, 07:12 AM
Yeah I noticed that I think its a case of wishful thinking. I will just wait to Spanish authorities ID the group behind the attack.
They did it. Spanish policemen were good doing their job, almost the day after the bombs some of the authors were caught, the accounts is rising up. The most of terrorists are marroqis, and some of them have the same profile than those of 9/11: Some fighting experience in Afghanistan in the case of Zougam, and high education leven in university in the case of 2 other terrorists, one of them got a degree in a Chemistry and the other one a degree in Physics and didn´t look like crazy talibans, even they owned their own business shop in down town Madrid.

Mr Gently Benevolent
03-24-2004, 07:16 AM
So they are not Chechens Loco , Permski will be sad I will break the news to him. Good work Spanish law enforcement.
woot

Royal
03-24-2004, 08:05 AM
in English OSCE

http://www.osce.org/
Organising Some Crappy Elections

Organisation for Spreading Chaos in Europe

Rantanplan
03-24-2004, 08:51 AM
It's amazing how the russians and serbs try exuse their imperialistic and fascistic wars with the "muslim" argument and spread their lies here. muhajedin or not, they are still fredom fighters. Don't tell **** about their cruelty and warcrimes, I saw the same **** from russian soldiers too. And don't tell me that the are terrorists because terrorism is the weapon of the weak and you bombed them back to the stoneage, killed their children and raped their women.

cut
03-24-2004, 08:56 AM
It's amazing how the russians and serbs try exuse their imperialistic and fascistic wars with the "muslim" argument and spread their lies here. muhajedin or not, they are still fredom fighters. Don't tell **** about their cruelty and warcrimes, I saw the same **** from russian soldiers too. And don't tell me that the are terrorists because terrorism is the weapon of the weak and you bombed them back to the stoneage, killed their children and raped their women.

don't forget wangchung (george w bush)

intelligenzija
03-24-2004, 09:46 AM
It's amazing how the russians and serbs try exuse their imperialistic and fascistic wars with the "muslim" argument and spread their lies here. muhajedin or not, they are still fredom fighters. Don't tell **** about their cruelty and warcrimes, I saw the same **** from russian soldiers too. And don't tell me that the are terrorists because terrorism is the weapon of the weak and you bombed them back to the stoneage, killed their children and raped their women.
o_O the vietcong were just freedom fighters too

Rantanplan
03-24-2004, 10:22 AM
o_O the vietcong were just freedom fighters too

Vietnam was in the first line a civil war. I don't think we can compare this two completly different wars.

intelligenzija
03-24-2004, 11:12 AM
I don't want to compare these wars. I want to compare the mentality of the soldiers but anyway..

StukaJr
03-24-2004, 01:30 PM
Vietnam was in the first line a civil war. I don't think we can compare this two completly different wars.

How is war in Chechnya not a civil war? Is it not fought on sovereign russian soil? Has it not had been home to hundreds of thousands of russians before they were driven out by these "freedom" fighters? Has it not been a peaceful land with constitution, freedom to practice any religion and ethnical customs? Do you not have chechens on both sides of the conflict - aka federal government versus mujahadeens?


I saw the same **** from russian soldiers too

No you didn't. You just go by hearsay...


And don't tell me that they are terrorists

How do you explain Moscow "Nord-Ost", IED's and the fact that westerners are taken hostage when traveling through the region in exchange for ransom money? Fits the defenition of a terrorist in my encyclopedia Britannica.


muhajedin or not, they are still fredom fighters

Then the same mujahadin - flying planes into Twin Towers, are freedom fighters? 201 dead in spannish bomb attack - freedom fighters? The explossion in subway tunnel in Moscow, the bomb on train tracks just found in France... Can you justify those too? Or is this "pick and choose" time, when some tragedies are cool and some are in the name of freedom?

Chechnya got their autonomy in '97... What did they do with it? Sent their marauders into neighboring Dhagestan - logic defies me...

execrable
03-24-2004, 02:28 PM
muhajedin or not, they are still fredom fighters

Then the same mujahadin - flying planes into Twin Towers, are freedom fighters? 201 dead in spannish bomb attack - freedom fighters? The explossion in subway tunnel in Moscow, the bomb on train tracks just found in France... Can you justify those too? Or is this "pick and choose" time, when some tragedies are cool and some are in the name of freedom?
Then the brave muj of the Northern Alliance, freedom fighters?
Mujahideen is in the eye of the beholder. Everything is subjective.
Except for the fact that Russia sucks, just kidding :) .

StukaJr
03-24-2004, 02:53 PM
This is current occurance in EVERY nation in the world - some political party, religion or ethnical group is not being represented by the government of the country where they reside... There is always political struggle going on for the group in power to stay in power and the underdogs take over the reigns of that power - be it city government, republic/state or maybe even the entire country... It's a healthy struggle and it maintains the system of "checks and balances".

Taking up an armed rebellion because your views are not represented by the current political climate - is an act of terrorism and treason. There is a reason why nations adapt constitutions, laws and maintain military to protect its sovereinity - somehow, being an anarchist or a religious zealot doesn't exclude one from following the nation's laws.

Put down your gun, march down to the ballot box - wait 4 years - rinse and repeat. If you are in the minority - perhaps there is a very good reason.

execrable
03-24-2004, 03:30 PM
Put down your gun, march down to the ballot box - wait 4 years - rinse and repeat. If you are in the minority - perhaps there is a very good reason.
The Founding Fathers of America would probably agree with you. As would the anti-Taliban Muj in Afghanistan. Seriously thought, it sort of makes sense but “If you are in the minority - perhaps there is a very good reason” Jesus what is that?

StukaJr
03-24-2004, 04:21 PM
By "minority" I mean people's opinion that are less popular or their beliefs/ideas are not shared by the majority of the population - I didn't mean "minority" in ethnical/racial ways. Hope it makes more scense now.

Ummm... let me re-phrase that:

If you are in minority of public/political opinion - maybe there is a good reason, as in majority of people do not want change/content with the current state of the nation. When Majority of population are discontent with the government - they can exact change by peaceful election, unless of course they are governed by a totalitarian dictatorship. When government opposition takes up armed rebellion - it's a good sign that the opposition does not have the support of the nation or the popularity of the population.

Nizark
03-24-2004, 10:03 PM
Now they have just probably gotten the rest of the non-muslim world on russia's side with chechnya. The west needs to realize the same thing for kosovo. :)

WRONG

Certain people in US are on the Russia's side. Majority either don't care, or pro-Chechen. Its a fact.

Europe is pro-Chechen. It will hurt me to see Chechens attack Europe in the future. But even than, they will still be pro-Chechen.

World doesnt want to see Russia as friend, powerful and super power.
;)


Well, as an American, I am very much on Russia's side against the chechens. I think that if the US and Russia could come together on most issues, instead of poking each other with a sharp stick all the time, we could have more to gain, and the world would have two poles of power instead of just one. Hell, the WMD that russia has may get more under control as well. If you ask an general American where chechnya is, they woudl probably say Africa.

Sergei
03-25-2004, 03:06 AM
It's amazing how the russians and serbs try exuse their imperialistic and fascistic wars with the "muslim" argument and spread their lies here. muhajedin or not, they are still fredom fighters. Don't tell **** about their cruelty and warcrimes, I saw the same **** from russian soldiers too. And don't tell me that the are terrorists because terrorism is the weapon of the weak and you bombed them back to the stoneage, killed their children and raped their women.

Rantanplan, you should quit doing drugs, they seriously damage your brain.



I saw the same **** from russian soldiers too
I highly doubt that, you just heard the rumors and tales of the local "wanabee fighters".

RomanS
03-25-2004, 04:53 AM
Rantanplan is a terrorist SUPPORTER!

Truthsayer
03-25-2004, 02:40 PM
PermskiiOMON>> grow up.

I would propose that some MOD edit the title of this thread since it's false and another lie to justifie some russiens hatred towards chechniens, be them muslims or not.