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06-21-2006, 10:36 AM
US effort to rehab image falls short

Global wariness of America persists, despite US efforts to mend fences with allies.

By Howard LaFranchi | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor


WASHINGTON – In Europe for two days, President Bush will lay out a full agenda on Iran, aid to Iraq, and farm subsidies in world trade. But he'll also confront a European public that has such a poor view of America that in some countries, the United States is seen as the biggest threat to global stability today - surpassing Iran.

Views like this have figured in Helle Maasbol's family. For the three years she has lived in the US, she's not been able to entice her mom back home in Denmark to pay a visit.

"Her image of the States was going downhill for a while, but it was the war in Iraq that was the real blow," says the wife of a World Bank economist and mother of two girls - all of whom are now moving back to Europe. "I told her often about the wonderful people we've met in America, but she said she wouldn't come as long as the president was George Bush."

Indeed, the US image abroad has continued to deteriorate, despite a concerted effort by the Bush administration to turn things around by mending fences with key allies, taking concrete steps to make diplomacy work, and expanding public-diplomacy efforts in the Middle East and other regions.

At the beginning of his second term, Mr. Bush set out to improve America's relations with the world by extending a more diplomatic hand to international partners, taking more multilateral positions on security concerns like Iran, and naming trusted aide Karen Hughes to help fix the US image abroad. But recent surveys show that public opinion about America continues to fall in countries as diverse as Spain, Turkey, Russia, and Indonesia. And the repercussions of the decline are not just touchy-feely image issues, experts say.

Low public esteem for the US makes it more difficult for governments to unabashedly side with the US on international issues, while less attraction to America can mean a smaller slice of the global tourism pie for the US.
"We lose out on jobs when foreigners don't travel here as much. We lose out on billions of dollars in spending, but we also lose the goodwill we know comes from people getting to know Americans," says Roger Dow, president of the Travel Industry Association of America (TIA).

Noting that he discussed that impact recently with Ms. Hughes, Mr. Dow says, "I asked her, 'What would it be worth to you to have 8 million people going home to say, "You know, they're not so bad." ' You have to figure that into the diplomacy equation."

Eight million is the number of additional visitors the US would greet if it increased its share of the international travel pie by just 1 percent. In 2002, the US reaped 9 percent of international travel, but today the number is down to 6 percent. Each percentage drop represents 150,000 jobs and $15 billion in spending, according to the TIA.

Of course, anti-Americanism is not the only explanation for falling numbers of foreign visitors - any more than disdain for the Stars and Stripes was invented by Bush. Many experts tie the tourism phenomenon to America's place as the world's only superpower, and the resentment that people have long felt toward the power they believe must be responsible when events turn negative.

But others say that US policy under Bush - from the war in Iraq to rejection of the Kyoto accords on greenhouse gases - is responsible for the new spike in anti-US sentiment. "I don't believe the figures we're seeing will change much so long as this president is in office," says Simon Serfaty, an expert in US-Europe relations at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington.

Results of a new global attitudes survey by the Washington-based Pew Research Center show that a country's image of Americans is at least several percentage points higher than the same country's image of America as a nation. Bush's numbers are below both of those categories.

Another poll published this week by the Harris group shows that Europeans generally pick the US as the world's biggest threat to global security over Iran. This was true even in Britain, although Germans and Italians rank the US below Iran.

Ms. Maasbol finds this evolution sad and troubling, especially since she remembers as a little girl hearing "only good things" about America and its role in World War II - yes, even from her mom. "People say Iraq has made things worse for everybody in the world, and that it has brought out the bad side in America with things like the prisoner abuse," she says.

When Bush meets Wednesday with European leaders in Austria, he will hear calls for the closing of the Pentagon's detention facility in Guantánamo, Cuba. Bush is attending the annual US-European Union summit. From there he travels to Budapest, Hungary, where he will give a speech Thursday.

Mr. Serfaty of CSIS says the prisoner-abuse issue and the case of Guantánamo are particularly poignant for Europeans because they suggest an America making the same kinds of mistakes that Europe made in its colonial past.

"Europeans are saying, 'Don't use your power to do what we used to do,' " he says, which was to commit widespread rights abuses in African and Asian colonies while claiming to improve the world. He adds, however, that the European perspective "demonstrates how there is no understanding over there of how 9/11 has changed mentalities in this nation."

Particularly troubling for the US may be indications that America is slipping even in places where it is lavishing new attention. Opinion of America dropped 15 points in India compared with last year - despite a Bush visit to India in March and his calling for a new strategic partnership between the two countries.

There are some bright spots for the US. The Pew survey found that America's image improved among French youth, for example. "Feelings about America were bad in 2003 at the start of the war, but you don't see that so much among the young people anymore," says Swann Gros, a 17-year-old Parisian on his first visit to America this summer. Demonstrating an awareness of current events, he says the French know that Bush "is not so popular with Americans now - just as the French don't so much like Jacques Chirac."

Pandy
06-21-2006, 12:22 PM
GOOD. We don't need them **** heads anyways.

TheBelgian
06-21-2006, 02:05 PM
You'll go far here with that enlightened attitude.

annihilation
06-21-2006, 02:59 PM
Well will have to wait till 2008. Really alot of anti-american feelings is more attributed to dislike, well hatred of Bush. Who can really blame them on that. I imagine the world will change views when the new presidential election takes place, that is if the constitution isn't amended to place him as our new king lol.

All that being said, I would like to see those who where polled / interview that hated america, how many would accept a visa or citizenship to this country? I bet the number would be surprising.

"I hate America, you capitalist pigs....oh wait my visa application got accepted...I love america, it has been great to me!!!!"

ElHombre
06-21-2006, 04:20 PM
a european once told me that the best antidote for anti-americanism is getting to know actual americans and not their gov't.

ed316
06-21-2006, 04:37 PM
Who cares? No Americans are going to lose sleep over this.

BlackRain
06-21-2006, 04:44 PM
Who cares? No Americans are going to lose sleep over this.

Wait a second... I thought we had no reputation left already.

Did our rep finally go below zero and end up in the negative range?

I wonder what 'high' rep country could give us a few rep points.

signatory
06-21-2006, 04:49 PM
That's a BS article from a BS site.

Factually wrong on many points.

ed316
06-21-2006, 04:49 PM
Wait a second... I thought we had no reputation left already.

Did our rep finally go below zero and end up in the negative range?

I wonder what 'high' rep country could give us a few rep points.

These polls keep comming out and no American seems to care. I don't it here in the building I work or the places I go to eat, drink, and be merry.

Seriously, what country in the world cares if they are hated or not? People will go on with there lives. Work, play, and spend quality time with your family.

foxtrot023
06-21-2006, 04:50 PM
a european once told me that the best antidote for anti-americanism is getting to know actual americans and not their gov't.

true. Americans are usually very warm and kind people. The gov. however has a very bad rep.

c62
06-21-2006, 06:18 PM
The gov. however has a very bad rep. That's because our gov't doesn't adhere to the politically correct socially progressive left like the euros do. So they get bent at us.

Ed316 is right, we really don't care. Being the most powerful country in the world rocks.

signatory
06-21-2006, 06:29 PM
That's because our gov't doesn't adhere to the politically correct socially progressive left like the euros do. So they get bent at us.

Ed316 is right, we really don't care. Being the most powerful country in the world rocks.

Tell The Christian Science Monitor they should not care.

Siddar
06-21-2006, 06:48 PM
Tell The Christian Science Monitor they should not care.

They post same basic story every six to twelve months. Sense 9/11 the respose has been same that most americans simply dont care. But you can take it to bank that you will see this story again for CSM soon.

TheStorm
06-21-2006, 09:46 PM
That's a BS article from a BS site.

Factually wrong on many points.

I'm curious - please elaborate.

HOLLiS
06-21-2006, 09:54 PM
a european once told me that the best antidote for anti-americanism is getting to know actual americans and not their gov't.

I think that can be safely said about any country. The USA isn't the best..and it is a far cry from the worse.

I really think it has to do with people and the system they operate in (how much they can get away with).

chuckster
06-22-2006, 12:44 AM
Another thing to consider is WHERE the anti-American sentiment is. I think it is concentrated in Western Europe and the Middle East. The Mideast goes without saying, but remember that Eastern Europe has higher regard for the USA than Western Europe, and there are nearly as many people in EE as WE. Also, I think the regard for the US is higher in China and India. Each of these two coutries have more people than WE. With regard to WE, they say 'see, these 20 countries hate you', not thinking that in Europe something as small as Luxumburg qualifies as a country just as India or China. If you weigh the results by population, a lot more people like America than the poll would reveal.

Western Europe is upset because the USA won't join their Socialist World Order, and they hate Bush because he's leading America farther away from it. While every world leader has his faults, I agree with him on this point. I'd rather be hated by Western Europe than give up my individuality and everything I stand for just for a few free Socialist benefits.

VOD
06-22-2006, 01:56 AM
No matter what we do we will always be that bad guy. Its kind of sad really, everything good we do or try to do will always be tossed out the window by the international community.

"Did you hear about that whole iraqi family being murdered by insurgents and that market being suicide bombed by Sunni extremists that killed 35 people, and did you hear Kim Jong Ill opened a new concentration camp for his political enemies"
"yea, that sucks"
"It also turns out a bunch of Al Queda militants were killed in a shoot out with US forces and some innocent bystanders got killed by the crossfire"
"OMGZ!!!! Those evil NAZI amerikans are killing babies again! I hope they all get teh death!!! Bush is such a facist dictator kitten eating monster!!!!"

chuckster
06-22-2006, 02:14 AM
"Did you hear about that whole iraqi family being murdered by insurgents and that market being suicide bombed by Sunni extremists that killed 35 people, and did you hear Kim Jong Ill opened a new concentration camp for his political enemies"
"yea, that sucks"
"It also turns out a bunch of Al Queda militants were killed in a shoot out with US forces and some innocent bystanders got killed by the crossfire"
"OMGZ!!!! Those evil NAZI amerikans are killing babies again! I hope they all get teh death!!! Bush is such a facist dictator kitten eating monster!!!!"

Amen to that.

HOLLiS
06-22-2006, 02:27 AM
I can understand a certain amount of Anti_USA in Europe. When Reagan was president, he talked about the winability of a tactical nuclear exchange with the Soviets. Problem was the battlle field was in Euorpe, the Europeans went bonkers.

The good side of this, The Soviets finally realize they no longer had to fear a European invasion. There was no longer a need to have and maintain the "buffer" states.

This lead to parastoicka(SP) The opening up of the Soviet Union or its end.

foxtrot023
06-22-2006, 10:34 AM
That's because our gov't doesn't adhere to the politically correct socially progressive left like the euros do. So they get bent at us.

Ed316 is right, we really don't care. Being the most powerful country in the world rocks.

You are not correct in this aspect. We euros might disagree with some current US policies, but you will not find us planning to bomb US targets. Many folks here think it is Europeans that hate the US, well, we dont hate the US, nor do we hate the americans, although many will disagree with the US government policies.

Latin America dislikes the US with far more intensity. Ditto for the Middle East.

Sure, many folks here won´t lose sleep over it, but the end result is that the US is not an isolated nation, it has to interact with others, and as a result of current or past policies, the US has not make many friends over the years. Trust me on this, Europeans should be the last of your concerns.

Not that all is gloom and doom though. It is just that many folks dont seem to understand that policies carry a reaction to them, something we in Europe understood quite a bit ago due to our colonial background. We did some pretty messed up things, some of it is still around, like in the Middle East, but the US is also down that path.

BTW, just to make my opinion clear, I do not hate the US, I lived there, I married an American girl, and I have family there. I am merely pointing out that for every action there is a reaction in politics/policies/international affairs

annihilation
06-22-2006, 01:06 PM
I can understand a certain amount of Anti_USA in Europe. When Reagan was president, he talked about the winability of a tactical nuclear exchange with the Soviets. Problem was the battlle field was in Euorpe, the Europeans went bonkers.


How would a european not realize the battlefield would be in europe, thats was a given at the time.

annihilation
06-22-2006, 01:13 PM
You are not correct in this aspect. We euros might disagree with some current US policies, but you will not find us planning to bomb US targets. Many folks here think it is Europeans that hate the US, well, we dont hate the US, nor do we hate the americans, although many will disagree with the US government policies.

Latin America dislikes the US with far more intensity. Ditto for the Middle East.

Sure, many folks here won´t lose sleep over it, but the end result is that the US is not an isolated nation, it has to interact with others, and as a result of current or past policies, the US has not make many friends over the years. Trust me on this, Europeans should be the last of your concerns.

Not that all is gloom and doom though. It is just that many folks dont seem to understand that policies carry a reaction to them, something we in Europe understood quite a bit ago due to our colonial background. We did some pretty messed up things, some of it is still around, like in the Middle East, but the US is also down that path.

BTW, just to make my opinion clear, I do not hate the US, I lived there, I married an American girl, and I have family there. I am merely pointing out that for every action there is a reaction in politics/policies/international affairs

So then it would be better not to interfere and just leave each nation alone to their own issues. Then if the world is going to hate us, they can hate us for not doing anything. Far cheaper IMO too.

foxtrot023
06-22-2006, 01:24 PM
So then it would be better not to interfere and just leave each nation alone to their own issues. Then if the world is going to hate us, they can hate us for not doing anything. Far cheaper IMO too.

That is also very true. The US can basically do nothing and pull back. One could argue that still some nations would interfere with the US, like in 1941, but it is an option that the US has, like they had in 1940. The question is- in today´s global economy, trade and politican environment, is it more dangerous to intervene or not?

CPLHUNTER
06-22-2006, 01:26 PM
Well will have to wait till 2008. Really alot of anti-american feelings is more attributed to dislike, well hatred of Bush. Who can really blame them on that. I imagine the world will change views when the new presidential election takes place, that is if the constitution isn't amended to place him as our new king lol.

All that being said, I would like to see those who where polled / interview that hated america, how many would accept a visa or citizenship to this country? I bet the number would be surprising.

"I hate America, you capitalist pigs....oh wait my visa application got accepted...I love america, it has been great to me!!!!"

Yeah, exactly...all that hatred goes right out the window

CPLHUNTER
06-22-2006, 01:27 PM
No matter what we do we will always be that bad guy. Its kind of sad really, everything good we do or try to do will always be tossed out the window by the international community.

"Did you hear about that whole iraqi family being murdered by insurgents and that market being suicide bombed by Sunni extremists that killed 35 people, and did you hear Kim Jong Ill opened a new concentration camp for his political enemies"
"yea, that sucks"
"It also turns out a bunch of Al Queda militants were killed in a shoot out with US forces and some innocent bystanders got killed by the crossfire"
"OMGZ!!!! Those evil NAZI amerikans are killing babies again! I hope they all get teh death!!! Bush is such a facist dictator kitten eating monster!!!!"

That's the glory of selective reporting...such BS!!!

God I hate being an evil baby killing american!

HOLLiS
06-22-2006, 01:54 PM
How would a european not realize the battlefield would be in europe, thats was a given at the time.

yes, But Reagan publicly was discussing it, and many thought Reagan was going to do it. It sure mobilized the European peaceniks. Leftist and just about anyone else. Not a good time for Americans to visit Europe then.

annihilation
06-22-2006, 02:37 PM
That is also very true. The US can basically do nothing and pull back. One could argue that still some nations would interfere with the US, like in 1941, but it is an option that the US has, like they had in 1940. The question is- in today´s global economy, trade and politican environment, is it more dangerous to intervene or not?

Well that would really depend I guess. Does America benefit in anyway ($$$ or trade or other ways). I don't think you can go totally isolationist anymore. But i think we need to set back and mostly only interact with nation for economic purposes (and even this only to insure that our companies have access to their markets and such). Not for humanitarian, sanctions or other reasons nations interfere now.

khukuri
06-23-2006, 12:27 PM
So then it would be better not to interfere and just leave each nation alone to their own issues. Then if the world is going to hate us, they can hate us for not doing anything. Far cheaper IMO too.

Well not really, its more how you do things, it doesnt necessearly standing btw doing nothing and doing...
otherwise foxtrot023 made a good post

HOLLiS
06-23-2006, 12:36 PM
I think the other issue with Socialist, they know, whether they want to accept it or not, Socialism doesnot work. China is investing heavy in the "free Market economy", The Soviet Union is gone and Russia is going free market, and just about everyone else is.

You can not have a viable economy with heavy entitlement programs. Socialist tend to bite the hand that feeds them (the economy whoch needs to be business oreintated). I think this adds to the Eruopean dislike of the. There are also those still fighting the cold war.

Clarsachier
06-23-2006, 12:57 PM
How would a european not realize the battlefield would be in europe, thats was a given at the time.

Yeah, that was considered by many to be a tactic agreement between the U.S. an USSR to guarantee that the nuclear devastation would not be on either of their soils.

That's why France refused to put it's nukes or forces under NATO control even thought they paid NATO dues and conducted joint excercises.