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KB
06-21-2006, 11:28 AM
By Joe Klein
Time Magazine

Posted Sunday, Jun. 18, 2006

"I was up there in the cockpit of that airplane coming into Baghdad," the President told the press corps assembled on the White House lawn after his dash into and out of the war zone last week. "It was an unbelievable, unbelievable feeling." In fact, George W. Bush's body language—let's call it the full jaunty—was reminiscent of his last, infamous cockpit trip, onto the deck of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln in May 2003 to announce the "end" of major combat operations in Iraq, beneath a mission accomplished sign. His public language is more cautious than it used to be, but he seemed downright frothy in a private session with the congressional leadership after his press conference.


He called the new Iraqi Defense Minister an "interesting cat" and Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi, the deceased al-Qaeda leader, "a dangerous dude." Bush had reason, finally, to strut. The al-Zarqawi raid had netted valuable intelligence data that were enabling U.S. and Iraqi forces to roll up al-Qaeda cells—the best haul since the capture of Saddam Hussein, which made it possible for U.S. forces to disable much of the dictator's inner circle in early 2004. What's more, the first elected Iraqi government was finally fully in place. Back home, Karl Rove was officially unindicted in the cia leak case, and the Democrats were busy being Democrats—divided, defensive and confused about the war, with Bush's favorite punching bag, Senator John Kerry, leading the charge.

Kerry gave an eloquent speech to a group of left-liberal activists on the day of Bush's Baghdad trip. "It is not enough to argue with the logistics [of the war] ... or the manner of the conflict's execution or the failures of competence, as great as they are," Kerry said, to wild cheers. "It's essential to acknowledge that the war itself was a mistake." It was an appropriate act of contrition, but then—as is his awkward wont—Kerry overreacted and called for the withdrawal of U.S. troops by the end of the year. It was a proposition that garnered all of six votes on the Senate floor when Senate Republicans gleefully submitted Kerry's idea to a vote later in the week.

And so, a mystery: How is it possible—with 2,500 U.S. solders dead, no discernible progress on the ground and a solid majority of the public now agreeing that the war in Iraq was a mistake—for the Democrats to seem so bollixed about the war and for the President to seem so confident? A good part of it is flawed strategy. Democrats keep hoping that the elections can be framed as a referendum on the Bush policy, and Republicans keep reminding the public that elections are a choice, not a referendum. Last week, in the opening salvo of the 2006 congressional elections, Bush and Rove were reminding voters that the choice would be between the Democratic strategy of "cut and run" and the Republican war against Islamic "fascists," as the President called them. It was clear, yet again, that Bush and Rove would surf the complexities of the conflict for their political advantage. "See, Iraq is part of the global war on terror," the President said. "And if we fail in Iraq, it's going to embolden al-Qaeda types." Rove helpfully added in a New Hampshire speech that al-Zarqawi wouldn't have been nailed if we had pulled out of Iraq, as Representative John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat, recommended last winter.

Rove's assertion was scurrilous and inaccurate. Al-Zarqawi had been eliminated through terrific intelligence work and air power, neither of which required a substantial U.S. ground presence in Iraq. The President's line of attack was accurate but lethally incomplete. His poorly planned invasion of Iraq created the atmosphere that enabled al-Qaeda—and the local sectarian conflicts—to flourish. Iraq had become, in small part, a war against al-Qaeda; for the most part, it is a local sectarian conflict—because of American incompetence. If the President had not allowed General Tommy Franks to "cut and run"—that is, to close his headquarters and begin drawing down the U.S. military presence on May 1, 2003, the very same day as Bush's first cockpit stunt—the U.S. forces might have had a better chance to contain the insurgency. But those are complicated arguments to make in a political campaign. And even the wildest accusations, like Rove's disgraceful Murtha gambit, will force a candidate onto the defensive.
What can the Democrats do? They can play politics or be responsible. The political option is to embrace "cut and run"; call for an immediate withdrawal, as Kerry did; and hope the public is so sick of Bush and sick of the war that it will punish the g.o.p. in the fall. But embracing defeat is a risky political strategy, especially for a party not known for its warrior ethic. In fact, the responsible path is the Democrats' only politically plausible choice: they will have to give yet another new Iraqi government one last shot to succeed. This time, U.S. military sources say, the measure of success is simple: Operation Forward Together, the massive joint military effort launched last week to finally try to secure Baghdad, has to work. If Baghdad isn't stabilized, the war is lost. "I know it's the cliche of the war," an Army counterinsurgency specialist told me last week. "But we'll know in the next six months—and this time, it'll be the last next six months we get."

Pandy
06-21-2006, 12:15 PM
A thing that people don't care about now is, well, the fact that there are always mistakes in WAR. War is never perfect, and never will be. Now, people are more worried about our casualties then what we have acheived.

Another problem I have been seeing is the fact that the european community is just sitting on their hands. Seems to me that they don't have the resources, the money, nor the public support to assist the united states in stabilizing Iraq. I don't know, I wouldn't be supporting those countries if I was the president, nor be happy to send my tax money to help their countries. Allies are allies, and allies need to come help each other in the time of need. Iraq is one of those things we need help on, and well, if France or Germany gets attacked, well, I'll be remembering 2003-2006 and be against supporting our allies. But I know why the governments in europe are not helping, they're scared of the terrorists, simple ****s. (But Poland, you guys are always first to fight! Rock on motha ****ers! Don't let me forget the UK too.)

Since May 2003, I still think we should have deployed at least a million troops into iraq. Doesn't have to be ALL US Forces, if it was a mix with european armies, iraqi defense forces and us armed forces, it would have been simply and easy to crush the insurgency. The reason why we have 2,500 deaths is the fact that 135,000 troops is not enough for the job.

Don't get me wrong, I think we shouldn't have attacked Iraq in the first place. But, if we should have attacked, it should have been in 2004 or 2005, after the election. And ANY body who thinks the war was about oil is DEAD wrong. If you look at the gas prices right now, your dead wrong. I don't see BUSH'S WAR OIL flowing into my tank at cheap prices, so kiss my korean ass. (Note; I don't think the price of gas is bush's fault either, supply and demand is a bitch.)

If I was elected president in 2008, I would tell every insurgency group IN iraq one thing. "Stop within the next 24 hours, support the government, and we'll be out of your country within the next few months. If you don't stop, we'll just start a bombing campagin against you. If we see you, there's a bomb coming." **** this ****, if they're killing us, we need to kill them back.

Pandy for President 2034.

Rictor
06-21-2006, 12:40 PM
Aren't his approval ratings at something like 30%? I hardly call that winning anything. And if the Republicans still have most of their former power, it only speaks of the amazing, unbelievable incompetence of the Democrats.

Fargin
06-21-2006, 12:47 PM
A thing that people don't care about now is, well, the fact that there are always mistakes in WAR. War is never perfect, and never will be. Now, people are more worried about our casualties then what we have acheived.

Another problem I have been seeing is the fact that the european community is just sitting on their hands. Seems to me that they don't have the resources, the money, nor the public support to assist the united states in stabilizing Iraq. I don't know, I wouldn't be supporting those countries if I was the president, nor be happy to send my tax money to help their countries. Allies are allies, and allies need to come help each other in the time of need. Iraq is one of those things we need help on, and well, if France or Germany gets attacked, well, I'll be remembering 2003-2006 and be against supporting our allies. But I know why the governments in europe are not helping, they're scared of the terrorists, simple ****s. (But Poland, you guys are always first to fight! Rock on motha ****ers! Don't let me forget the UK too.)

Since May 2003, I still think we should have deployed at least a million troops into iraq. Doesn't have to be ALL US Forces, if it was a mix with european armies, iraqi defense forces and us armed forces, it would have been simply and easy to crush the insurgency. The reason why we have 2,500 deaths is the fact that 135,000 troops is not enough for the job.

Don't get me wrong, I think we shouldn't have attacked Iraq in the first place. But, if we should have attacked, it should have been in 2004 or 2005, after the election. And ANY body who thinks the war was about oil is DEAD wrong. If you look at the gas prices right now, your dead wrong. I don't see BUSH'S WAR OIL flowing into my tank at cheap prices, so kiss my korean ass. (Note; I don't think the price of gas is bush's fault either, supply and demand is a bitch.)

If I was elected president in 2008, I would tell every insurgency group IN iraq one thing. "Stop within the next 24 hours, support the government, and we'll be out of your country within the next few months. If you don't stop, we'll just start a bombing campagin against you. If we see you, there's a bomb coming." **** this ****, if they're killing us, we need to kill them back.

Pandy for President 2034.
You've got my vote, right after I put a bullit in my head.;)

dangerclose
06-21-2006, 01:13 PM
You've got my vote, right after I put a bullit in my head.;)

So please vote for him.

demotivater
06-21-2006, 01:21 PM
Aren't his approval ratings at something like 30%? I hardly call that winning anything. And if the Republicans still have most of their former power, it only speaks of the amazing, unbelievable incompetence of the Democrats.
41% as of today, and climbing slowly. Things aren't nearly as bad as you're supposed to think they are.

Macs.
06-21-2006, 01:41 PM
Another problem I have been seeing is the fact that the european community is just sitting on their hands. Seems to me that they don't have the resources, the money, nor the public support to assist the united states in stabilizing Iraq.

Or maybe they just don't want to ?

America invaded the Iraq knowing that it didn't have the support of many european nations.
It was not like we suddenly left you alone there.


And I personaly wouldn't send any of my countrymen to Iraq, for serval reasons, for example I have no freaking clue why Iraq was invaded, was it because of the WMDs, Terror, Oil, Whatever ? Sorry, I don't like support something I don't know where I am at. But thats just my personal opinion.


I don't know, I wouldn't be supporting those countries if I was the president, nor be happy to send my tax money to help their countries. Allies are allies, and allies need to come help each other in the time of need. Iraq is one of those things we need help on, and well, if France or Germany gets attacked, well,

So when can we expect the military help of the US in places like the Ivory Coast or Congo ?

And last time I checked both French and Germany were still "supporting" the US, just not with troops in Iraq. (French and Germany are both in Afganistan + other OEF Operation like at the horn of Africa, German Soldiers guard US Bases in Germany, German troops training Iraqi Police + Alot of Money for Iraq...)


I'll be remembering 2003-2006 and be against supporting our allies. But I know why the governments in europe are not helping, they're scared of the terrorists, simple ****s. (But Poland, you guys are always first to fight! Rock on motha ****ers! Don't let me forget the UK too.)

No, we were scared of Saddams WMDs. :roll: *YAWN*

ElHombre
06-21-2006, 03:58 PM
His public language is more cautious than it used to be, but he seemed downright frothy in a private session with the congressional leadership after his press conference.

'frothy'?

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Clarsachier
06-21-2006, 04:13 PM
'Drooling' might be a better word.

Red
06-21-2006, 04:29 PM
The are a 3 reasons in my mind as to why he win's domestic battles :

(1)The ability of the Republican party especially the President's men to shape debates in language that suits them.
(2)The complete ineptitude of the Democratic party.
(3)No one has presented a feasible alternative to the Presidents plan for the War in Iraq and the global war against Islamic fundamentalism.

vryhpyammoadded
06-21-2006, 06:57 PM
Yep, he’s pretty much right, the Democrats are stuck with a platform of “being responsible” on the Iraq issue but deep down this isn’t what will give them the majority. What they really need is a commitment to real, not perceived, integrity.
The constant harping of the negative concerning the Republicans is wearing thin on the public and is a tried and true plan to incrementally nibble away your opponent’s power. It might win them some seats for the short term but in the long run it will hurt the country even more.
I wish all US politicians would stop trying to turn the country into some repeat of a 20th century severely polarized banana republic where the winning party chases the losing one into the hills at gun point and vice versa the next elections.

VOD
06-22-2006, 02:04 AM
Democrats a horrible leaders, there party is in shambles not to mention completely unorganized.

I like Bush as a leader, but as a politician he is a corrupt theiving liar.