Boots Boots Boots... 62 boot threads in one

[FROGFOOT-MKDN]

This is the footwear I currently use.

1. Ridge Blackhawk Plus, bought in US, September '97, 57 $, still going strong even after 9 years, light, waterproof, keeps feet warm even in -20 Celsius.

2. Alpina, alpine hiking boots, 20 years old, got them from my father, look old, but function as new, heavy, very soild manufacture.

3. Nevados, got them for 2 months, 30 $, very light, extremely comfortable, I'll see how long they'll last.

4. Planika, 2 years old, paid around 100 $ in equivalent Macedonian currency, great manufacture, keeps feet warm & dry, waterproof.

All except the Nevados, are made from leather.

[uglybaby]

Does anyone know where I can purchase a pair of desert combat boots in digital camo? I have a pair of 5.11 HRT boots that I got in a combo deal at lapolicegear.com last year but no one seems to sell them anymore. They aren't listed on the 5.11 site either. Any other boots that you know of that come in a digital camouflage? They're for a female and I style is gonna be more important than tactical function.

[H3]

Does anyone know where I can purchase a pair of desert combat boots in digital camo? They're for a female and style is gonna be more important than tactical function.

When she's got them on can we see the photos please !!!!!!!!

[the_recruit]

When she's got them on can we see the photos please !!!!!!!!


Yeah seriously those most look bugged out.

[LRPV]

Love the Chuck Norris avatar...

[uglybaby]

If someone gives me some boots to put this little hottie in I'll try and get a picture up.

[LRPV]

If someone gives me some boots to put this little hottie in I'll try and get a picture up.

If she's that good...don't bother with the boots....:)

[Roanoke]

Err....

http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=7880&TabID=1&CatID=84

That?

It says it's in desert digital.

[uglybaby]

Thanks for the suggestion but...I'd never get photos if I suggested those as a replacement. I have an inquiry in to 5.11 and lapolicegear.com where I originally bought them. Nobody else seems to make one in desert digital that I can find. Strange, because there was a time about a year ago when digital and marpat where in vogue so I thought I'd find some cheap knockoff's or something.

[miguelencanarias]

Colombians use digital camo boots now. Ask a Colombian member of the forum if he can get them.

[uglybaby]

Okay they are discontinued and haven't found any on ebay. I'll keep looking. I'll check out the Colombian suggestion thanks for the help.

[Dan2004]

Not exactly digital desert...

http://1starmy.com/viewproduct.asp?Productno=2731

Not even close.

[-[Crosshair]-]

Actual digital camouflage boots will be really hard to find, since armies just use regular tan boots normally.

[CDNsoldier_r]

have u seen the cadpat boots yet crosshair?

[Roy Batty]

-;2235458']Actual digital camouflage boots will be really hard to find, since armies just use regular tan boots normally.

true. The 58,000 of us wearing black boots are just an anomaly. p-)

[maple.leaf]

Not exactly digital desert...

http://1starmy.com/viewproduct.asp?Productno=2731

Not even close.

http://1starmy.com/uploadimages/Product_2731.jpg

What crack-head designed those? :cantbeli:

[Argyll]

They were on offer with LAPolice gear as they're a discontinued article.

[-[Crosshair]-]

have u seen the cadpat boots yet crosshair?

http://forums.army.ca/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16772&g2_serialNumber=1

I really don't want those. :cantbeli:

[DevilDogHopeful]

-;2238449']http://forums.army.ca/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16772&g2_serialNumber=1

I really don't want those. :cantbeli:

Are they really going to issue the Canadian Soldiers those things? I don't know about the rest of you but ...UGLY.

[-[Crosshair]-]

I've never even heard about it until now, my guess would be no.

[H3]

When she's got them on can we see the photos please !!!!!!!!

Soooo much interest in helping you find those boot's , or is it we just want to see the photos of the intended wear-er !!

[memphiz]

Are they really going to issue the Canadian Soldiers those things? I don't know about the rest of you but ...UGLY.
It was a trial Idea that never went through, becouse you couldnt polish them, all that came with the boots was a OD paste to put on, and eventually the boot just became OD.

[the_recruit]

-;2238449']http://forums.army.ca/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16772&g2_serialNumber=1

I really don't want those. :cantbeli:

Thats wat i thought they were gunna look like, and yes, they are ugly. but its doesnt have to look good to be good. It may very well be helpful

[Roy Batty]

It was a trial Idea that never went through, becouse you couldnt polish them, all that came with the boots was a OD paste to put on, and eventually the boot just became OD.

I have seen a number of bozzos from The puzzle palace wearing them and they use "Kiwi Neutral" on the boots so they don't turn OD.

[memphiz]

I have seen a number of bozzos from The puzzle palace wearing them and they use "Kiwi Neutral" on the boots so they don't turn OD.
Haha what a bunch of wankers

"Im so cool, im completly CADPAT"

[bilbo baggins]

(http://forums.army.ca/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16772&g2_serialNumber=1)http://forums.army.ca/gallery2/main....serialNumber=1 (http://forums.army.ca/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16772&g2_serialNumber=1)

I really don't want those. :cantbeli:
(http://forums.army.ca/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16772&g2_serialNumber=1)

Reminds me of the line from one of the SHREK movies when Donkey says "My feet, my feet, I can't see my feet!" rofl

[MBTex]

So how have these held up. Over the year.

[stuntman]

Well so far my merrels are ending thier second season and they are holding up like new. For some strange reason they actually feel more comfortable..:)

[TacoDelRio]

My Phaser Peak's are great. Only had them since last august, but have put tons of miles on them. Nothing has fallen off yet. I've never worn such comfortable shoes. They're so comfortable that they kind of piss me off, since I don't feel anything at all.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/Telegraph%20Pk%20NE%20Face/DSC03618.jpg

[Karo]

Hi,

just a short question: does anybody know the exact name of the ADIDAS sneakers worn by Spetsnaz? (rightest one in the pic)

http://www.rms3d.com/images/Chechnya/2/IMG_9276.jpg


Thanks in forward!


best regards

[Herrmannek]

Adidas? I would not put a penny on this... Trademark sports shoes are quite expensive and post commie countries aren't known from enforcing trade mark protection... Its more like to be knock off... I can't help you with exact model...

[silveykyle]

They look like sambas or gazelles, they are indoor soccer shoes.

[Lov3ll]

They look like Adidas Berlin
http://www.trainerstation.com/adidas-brand-history.html

[hist2004]

During the Soviet-Afghan War, Soviets used Chinese copies of the Adidas sneaker.

Hist2004

[GazB]

They are hardly Spetsnaz issue. This guy probably bought them with his own money from a local shoe shop... they could be locally made near somewhere where he was based. Some might call them adidas, but there are a dozen different makers of such shoe types and it could be any one of those. Having three stripes is a signature of Adidas, but hardly exclusive, or concrete evidence. A lot of western shoe makers have their shoes made in countries with weak labour laws in sweat shops. More often than not those sweat shops produce extra products after hours that could be going anywhere with any label on the box. Profits going into managers pockets... the workers just get an extra shift and their dollar a week pay packet...

[redfox0035]

During the Soviet-Afghan War, Soviets used Chinese copies of the Adidas sneaker.

Nope, there were a lot of different sneakers in Afghanistan (incl. originals), but most praised were so called "Moscow adidas", licensed Adidas sneakers made in USSR:

http://www.efsi.ru/eng/about-kco-history.php

Since then they become very popular as extremely cheap, comfortable and durable shoes.

That's some modern variations:

http://www.efsi.ru/eng/products_00.php?Id=8&Start=11
http://www.efsi.ru/eng/products_00.php?Id=8&Start=16

[nilz]

Either Gazelles or Berlins, leaning towards Gazelles...

[hist2004]

Nope, there were a lot of different sneakers in Afghanistan (incl. originals), but most praised were so called "Moscow adidas", licensed Adidas sneakers made in USSR:


by Misha Pozhininsky

"Russia's boots defeated the Nazis 40 years before. Soviet troops were now wearing "sneakers." They held up better on the rocks and you could run in them without carrying the weight of iron on your legs. I got a pair of these myself. They were made by the Chinese and after some problems the merchants got a connection that would supply them. I remember once that some journalists from Poland were in Bagram, but one of the commanders told them to only aim their cameras from our waists to our faces, because they did not want others to know that the soldiers of the USSR were in shoes that joggers would wear."

Hist2004

[redfox0035]

by Misha Pozhininsky
"They held up better on the rocks and you could run in them without carrying the weight of iron on your legs. I got a pair of these myself. They were made by the Chinese and after some problems the merchants got a connection that would supply them."

There were different types of them: the most praised were "Moscow-made" (dark blue color with white stripes); made by Kimri shoes plant were less confortable than "Moscow adidas", but more durable; all kinds of no-name & chinese replicas, and the orinal westerners. The irony was that original western shoes were the first ones that were frayed torn on Afghanistan rocks.

[Karo]

Thanks for your replies!

[GazB]

The irony was that original western shoes were the first ones that were frayed torn on Afghanistan rocks.

Not really ironic. Western shoes of that type were probably made by the lowest bidder for people who never left paved footpaths. The money that was charged for these shoes more often went to the name in the name brand rather than in the materials used to make them. The customer in the west is more often worried about fashion and wearing the right name than the average spetsnaz soldier I would think.

BTW can't believe a thread is about gymshoes (as we here in NZ call them) from a photo that includes a Pecheneg maching gun... any one know how that weapon is performing?

[GNR]

My issue cadilacs have seen better days and it's time to replace them.
Who makes the best boots?

[1AssToRisk]

Danner.. Hands down. No need for anyone else to post anything.

[Exer]

altama for me

[Carib]

altama for me

i second that, here here

[b33f]

Haix

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[nickless]

The traditional german boot makers like Meindl, Lowa or Hanwag all make excellent boots and they have a black military line. I own a pair of Hanwag "Yukon" for rough terrain and a pair of Meindl "Desert All Terrain" as a lighter boot.

I'm not too convinced of Haix - as far as I know, they only started making military boots again some time ago, so they lack the years of experience the other companies have from the civilian market. They made some mistakes when they designed the new mountain boot for the Bundeswehr, which then got rejected.

Between the other companies, I would base my decision on the fit of the boots - Meindls are on the wide side, Lowas are narrow.

[GunnerBhoy]

mite get some stick for this put ive got a pair of Pro Boots, walked getting on a hundred miles in em, there water pfroof and very comfy.

[zootia]

I use USMC bates. Very comfy and sturdy

[Bobbo_]

I just got my bates bootes. I have no experience with any others, but they rock... For my use at least.

[gaijinsamurai]

My favorites are Danner. #2 are the Corcoran (non-paratrooper).

[Rekka]

The traditional german boot makers like Meindl, Lowa or Hanwag all make excellent boots and they have a black military line. I own a pair of Hanwag "Yukon" for rough terrain and a pair of Meindl "Desert All Terrain" as a lighter boot.

I'm not too convinced of Haix - as far as I know, they only started making military boots again some time ago, so they lack the years of experience the other companies have from the civilian market. They made some mistakes when they designed the new mountain boot for the Bundeswehr, which then got rejected.

Between the other companies, I would base my decision on the fit of the boots - Meindls are on the wide side, Lowas are narrow.

Couldn't agree with you more.

As i have narrow feet i have ownwd a couple of Lowa mountain boots for about 15 months now and the quality is excellent. I also really liked the fact that they didn't have to be 'walked in' you just strap them on and off you go.

[tango44]

Oakley For Me

[digrar]

My issue cadilacs have seen better days and it's time to replace them.
Who makes the best boots?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84159&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100336&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78641&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102199&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=99836&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=99587&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95571&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95251&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=83872&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=85547&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79477&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79220&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77600&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78622&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78123&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76900&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75844&highlight=boots

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75985&highlight=boots

[RomanS]

Pecheneg maching gun... any one know how that weapon is performing?

Friend of mine who took the picture above said a few like it, and some dont. Cant change the barrels after running it for a long time is a main complain. Accuracy is better they say.

[Seraphim]

Anyone help me find a 4-6inch black boot with a safety toe. Price range around $200

[XIE]

Do people here think a Duty/Military boot should be 8" in height? Do you feel 6" is enough support for military specfic activity?

[scrybe]

Anyone help me find a 4-6inch black boot with a safety toe. Price range around $200

Danners with Safety Toe (http://www.danner.com/category/work/protective+toe.do?page=3)

There's another one on page 2 and a few more on page 4.

Search around online and you can find cheaper prices than the that website.

[TacoDelRio]

Do people here think a Duty/Military boot should be 8" in height? Do you feel 6" is enough support for military specfic activity?


I don't see why not. From my standpoint, if it keeps your ankle sorta stable (kinda sorta), and keeps the junk outside (snow, dirt, leaves, rocks, etc) from getting in over the top, then it's good.

[Scottie]

I'm very new to the whole buying boots scene, and would appreciate a little bit of guidance. What i'm looking for are a pair of reasonably priced military boots for a dry/desert climate that will take a little bit of pounding. I noticed the other thread, but the boots there seemed to be a little too pricey for me. This will only be a short-term investment, so I don't feel obliged to spend 100s of dollars on some boots. I am looking at $50 (30 quid)max price range. Thanks.

[weizen]

Well either you are going to get cheap boots which are cheap. Or you can try to buy some used ones.

[Scottie]

Well either way I'd like to stick to my price limit.

[schwarz]

Why are you going to be doing while wearing them..If your going to the SandBox dont skimp, but I would think you know that.

[jagermeister]

thats a hard price to stick to man. i just orderd some new boots about 20 seconds ago and i spent 300 bucks. Good boots are a crucial piece of gear and i wouldnt settle for anything but the highest quality.

[Kilo Golf]

50 bucks is too cheap, you want something reliable and nothing 50 bucks is worth it. Just like jager said buy something more expensive, plus it will last longer and not tear you feet up.

--GN

[Souk]

http://store.matrixbb.com/catalog/Shoe_CD_707_lg.gif

Condor D.I.M. Sierra Boots.
Description :
Genuine suede leather upper with padded collar
Special compounded polyurethan midsole direct injected to the upper for maximum bounding and extra comfort.
High traction rubber sierra design outsole
Cushioned EAV removable contour insole for extra comfort and support
Speed lace system
Steel shank
12 pair per master carton
Unit weight: 5lbs

Size : 6-13
Color : Desert Tan
PRICE: $59.99



Basically the same thing the USMC uses, except without the expensive price and the EGA to the side.

[vulpine]

http://store.matrixbb.com/catalog/Shoe_CD_707_lg.gif

Condor D.I.M. Sierra Boots.
Description :
Genuine suede leather upper with padded collar
Special compounded polyurethan midsole direct injected to the upper for maximum bounding and extra comfort.
High traction rubber sierra design outsole
Cushioned EAV removable contour insole for extra comfort and support
Speed lace system
Steel shank
12 pair per master carton
Unit weight: 5lbs

Size : 6-13
Color : Desert Tan
PRICE: $59.99



Basically the same thing the USMC uses, except without the expensive price and the EGA to the side.

I have these. They are very comfortable. Soft soles once broken in almost like tennis shoes.

[Scottie]

I'm going to be using them probably about twice a week for hiking/trekking. I'd prefer to use combat boots than 'trainers' if you understand.

[Dan2004]

http://www.uscav.com/prodinfo/images/22878.jpg (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/)

This my prefered LPC. Just plain old Altamas. These are the absolute best boots that I have ever worn.
If you want a good pair of hot-weather desert/jungle boots, these are what you need. They're not too expensive either ($99 USD at US Cavalry), and they won't turn your feet into hamburger.

Here's the link http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=7093&TabID=1&CatID=373

Also, they've got some cheap Rothco knockoffs on the same site for like 35 bucks.

[Fenris Wolf]

I am looking at $50 (30 quid)max price range. Thanks.

I'm going to be using them probably about twice a week for hiking/trekking.

Twice a week or twice a year?

I don't know what you mean with "hiking". How many miles? If you walk twice a week about 20 miles, you walk about 20,000 miles a year. And you don't want to spend more than 50 bucks for good boots?

This is like buying a $3000 precision rifle and using it with the cheapest ammo available...

I know a lot of people who bought very cheap boots and all of them bought good (expensive) boots later. It's a difference between using boots to walk from your car to the shooting range and walking long distances...


just my 0.02$


Fenris

[Scottie]

You make a good point. I'll be using them hopefully round 6-8 times a month, for a short 3-5 mile 'walk' in desert ground (rocks, sand).

[Souk]

could always join ROTC and get USMC Boots


i got mine for free ;D

[Scottie]

could always join ROTC and get USMC Boots


i got mine for free ;D

Well this is all a part of an exercise program towards the Military.

[Souk]

well if its a part of a program, why dont they issue you the boots?

sad that i have mine and wear them once a month .

[Remington Rand]

http://www.uscav.com/prodinfo/images/22878.jpg (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/)

This my prefered LPC. Just plain old Altamas. These are the absolute best boots that I have ever worn.
If you want a good pair of hot-weather desert/jungle boots, these are what you need. They're not too expensive either ($99 USD at US Cavalry), and they won't turn your feet into hamburger.

Here's the link http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=7093&TabID=1&CatID=373

Also, they've got some cheap Rothco knockoffs on the same site for like 35 bucks.
I agree on the altamas. I have had a good experience. Though I will say I talked to a couple of my friends that went to both A-stand and Iraq and didnt like their Altamas.

[Beowulf]

In order to get a decent recommendation you need to provide all of the pertinent information, rather than just hinting at the fact that you might be training for some military stuff at some time somewhere.

I can't really make a recommendation because I don't know what you'll be doing. If you're doing anything more than a weekly nature hike with no ruck, no weight over trails or road in nice weather then 50 dollar boots will tear your feet up.

spend less money on haxxoring your game console and buy a decent pair of boots.

[Beowulf]

I've had high end boots, and issue boots. The issue boots are a little cheap and will get torn up faster. The armed forces have been doing a better job of getting decent boots.

I still like the old jungles, and I miss my pair of Wellco tuffcushions that I had soaked in neets foot oil, they were comfy. Unfortunately, I rucked myself flat footed and now wear a wide boot instead of a regular.

[HoboWithAK]

Sounds like you could use some jungle boots. Probably the most underrated, economical pieces of gear ever.

[TacoDelRio]

As said, Altama, or Wellco, or another USGI contractor.

Don't skimp. Your feet will pay for what your wallet doesn't.

[Silent 6]

Taco gave you the best advice. As an avid Hiker you get what you pay for.
There are a broad range of boots available. Military boots, for hiking, may not be your best bet. Look into a reputable hiking/walking store. There are some great trail running shoes (i.e. trainers) that may be more appropriate. there are some really good boots available from Vasque, Asolo and Lowa at reasonable prices. Ebay can often have good boots for your price range.

Your feet will be your primary means of transportation throughout life, don't abuse them!

[Jsjoholm]

near double your budget but .. $90 USD for a pair of Merrell Sawtooths. Including shipping. Check Amazon or pricerunner or something. I've seen them for far less too.

Good boots comfy boots, i have mine on right now.

[Scottie]

Thanks for the suggestions people, I'll take them all into account for my next purchase. As seen, I'll invest more into this, and yes I am of course inexperienced in this area, so apologies for the misunderstandings. Cheers.

[TacoDelRio]

I second the advice on Merrell boots. I have a pair that I use for everything, and they're literally the most comfortable pair of anything I've ever tried on. I've put tons of miles on them and they're doing just great.

For trail runners, I have a pair of Salomon XA Pro 3D running shoes that are quite good. They were $100, but if you don't NEED boots (as in, you're in a warm environment, no water/snow/etc risks), they may be OK for you. I've put Lord only knows how many miles on them since I got them nearly a year ago, and I need to replace them soon. Considering how much running I do/did with them, they're above par.

I bought some cheapo Chinese jungle boots to train up before I joined the Army, and after one 10 mile walk in the mountains, I had a large thick blister on each heel, that ended up having about 2mm of meat removed from the soles of my heels (skin, not boot). I couldn't walk right for a month, and had to buy those Dr Scholl's heelcups. I literally wore a hole through the insole of the boot into the actual sole itself. Don't buy cheap. Do not buy cheap.

As my usual advice to customers, I say just wait and save up more money, and buy something good. You generally only buy quality once.

[Herrmannek]

Not the desert ones and probably unavailable outside Poland, but I'll stick to the price limit :)

polish Desanty, standard army boots 120zł=40$ they are not great but I'm sure good enough for described type of use, especially price fits perfectly quality.
http://allegro.pl/item175851751_nowe_buty_wojskowe_skoczki_desanty_wawa.html
all leather, boot sewn to the sole... stamp of the ministry of defense inside.

Anyway if author doesn't mind I would like to change topic a little. Whenever I use my feet for longer walks(3 hours+) they kill me. Its like electricity going up when I put foot on the ground... Any ideas what it can be and how to get ride of it. I wanted to start hiking this year, but lost all confidence... being stuck 5hours from civilization with hamburger foot isn't great :) Anyway anyone have other good ways to make boots more comfortable?...

[Christophe]

Whatever you want to get, stay away from 2nd hand boots.
Take care of your feet and get something decent.
If you are training to become part of a certain unit, get the issue boots. I doubt they´ll let you wear gucci gear during the tests.

Just my 2C.

[TacoDelRio]

Hermmanek, talk ot a podiatrist. You might simply be wearing the wrong shoes. Everyone has different feet, so much different in some cases that you need special inserts. I have similar problems after long distance hikes or runs, and it's usually due to a lack of support of the forward part of my arch and the balls of my feet.

[Herrmannek]

As far as I know we haven't got a lot of those(podiatrist) here... Thanks, next time I go to the ordinary doc I will ask him about that...

[TacoDelRio]

Sorry to hear about that. I don't know much about feet, so I'm of limited use. I hope you find a good doctor. Take care of your feet and they'll take care of you.

[Jsjoholm]

Would just like to join the choir on the topic of 'buy quality, buy once". It is JTFS really. That is why I am on my third 5.11 Watch, and getting a store refund because of it.

[Scottie]

Yea looks like I'll be spending a bit more on some boots. I'll head down to the shop this weekend and check some out. Like TacoDelRio said, I'll be using these for training towards the military. Thanks.

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

I bought some cheapo Chinese jungle boots to train up before I joined the Army, and after one 10 mile walk in the mountains, I had a large thick blister on each heel, that ended up having about 2mm of meat removed from the soles of my heels (skin, not boot). I couldn't walk right for a month, and had to buy those Dr Scholl's heelcups. I literally wore a hole through the insole of the boot into the actual sole itself. Don't buy cheap. Do not buy cheap.



I bought these as well, and after three miles of running the soles fell off.... :bash:

My "good" pair (Meindl, army pro) were 300 USD, and I've been wearing them for FIVE years now. DAILY. Re-soled once, heel repaired once.
Done swimming, running, climbing, everything in them.
Not bad huh?

[Herrmannek]

don't know what sh!t you are sold .. I never bought boots more expensive than 80$(not less than 30$) and never ever lost sole, of course I don't buy boots with glued only sole... blisters are rather irrelevant to the boot itself, its fault of rather poor fit at purchase or switching from soft snickers into something more serious...

[weizen]

Whenever I use my feet for longer walks(3 hours+) they kill me. Its like electricity going up when I put foot on the ground... Any ideas what it can be and how to get ride of it. I wanted to start hiking this year, but lost all confidence... being stuck 5hours from civilization with hamburger foot isn't great :) Anyway anyone have other good ways to make boots more comfortable?...


don't know what sh!t you are sold .. I never bought boots more expensive than 80$(not less than 30$) and never ever lost sole, of course I don't buy boots with glued only sole... blisters are rather irrelevant to the boot itself, its fault of rather poor fit at purchase or switching from soft snickers into something more serious...

When you buy high quality shoes from a reputable manufacturer you usally get what you pay for. Meindl produces very good shoes, which are actually usefull e.g povide good support in rough terrain, cushioning and will last many years. Not like he bought a pair of gucci high heels.

[EsoognomEhT]

Go to RQMS.
Draw boots.
"Lose" boots.
Pay for new pair (at much cheaper prices than the shops)

p-)

[Herrmannek]

When you buy high quality shoes from a reputable manufacturer you usally get what you pay for. Meindl produces very good shoes, which are actually usefull e.g povide good support in rough terrain, cushioning and will last many years. Not like he bought a pair of gucci high heels.
Problem with expensive boot is they are expensive :) Question is if cheap ones can be okey. I say they can and often are... If it wouldn't be that way Russians would never win any war :)

[Catch22]

I bought these as well, and after three miles of running the soles fell off.... :bash:

My "good" pair (Meindl, army pro) were 300 USD, and I've been wearing them for FIVE years now. DAILY. Re-soled once, heel repaired once.
Done swimming, running, climbing, everything in them.
Not bad huh?

I concur, I have 3 pairs of diffrent Meindls and one Lowas and I'm absolutely happy with them, looking forward to get me another pair for summer hiking. You get what you pay for. And besides it's a question of your own comfort and health ffs! You want to spare on that?

And Herrmanek, I know you're a cheapo but try and get yourself a pair of well cushioned Salomons (low or mid height) and good cushioned insoles for them. You're rather heavy, right? All that burning effect you describe sounds like effect of wearing poorly cushioned boot by a "heavy stomper". And don't you ever dare to reccomend standard polish issue boot to anyone! They are utter crap - joke says they were originally ordered by sicilian mafia 'cause they are better and cheaper than concrete for drowning folks.

[TacoDelRio]

Scottie, where do you live, and what size do you wear? I've got some older issue leather boots I don't use (they don't fit). Size 12 regular width.

[weizen]

Herrmannek: cut the booze and use the money to buy some decent hiking shoes. ;) Maybe then you will have less problems while hiking.

I think all the people with decent shoes here agree that you get what you pay for.

[Herrmannek]

And Herrmanek, I know you're a cheapo but try and get yourself a pair of well cushioned Salomons (low or mid height) and good cushioned insoles for them. You're rather heavy, right? All that burning effect you describe sounds like effect of wearing poorly cushioned boot by a "heavy stomper". And don't you ever dare to reccomend standard polish issue boot to anyone! They are utter crap - joke says they were originally ordered by sicilian mafia 'cause they are better and cheaper than concrete for drowning folks.
I haven't noticed their weight, actually I was worried they are to light :). It was winter trip in deep wet snow, mud and walking along stream trials, although leather was growing wet outside foot inside was dry, not bad for 120zł :). before that wanted to buy BW boots, but started to look for them when season ended and no one had pair in my size... ~250zł was as much as I could pay... Now money are gone and I will have to use what I've got. Of course I don't walk that much but I wear my DESANTY all day long 10 hours a day and haven't got even one blister, they are little warm, but its nothing excessive... After all conscripts use those for whole 9 months and live so they can't be that bad. Better cushioned boots sound nice, will try it when buying some cheap hikes for the summer :). I don't think I will be able to buy salomons anytime soon :) Until then I will have to change my walking habits :)



@~above post
I don't drink booze nor any other alcoholic beverage...

[weizen]

@~above post
I don't drink booze nor any other alcoholic beverage...

Ok sorry, I meant that you should just save some money.

[Herrmannek]

Ok sorry, I meant that you should just save some money.

No need to sorry :)

[Catch22]

I haven't noticed their weight, actually I was worried they are to light :). It was winter trip in deep wet snow, mud and walking along stream trials, although leather was growing wet outside foot inside was dry, not bad for 120zł :). before that wanted to buy BW boots, but started to look for them when season ended and no one had pair in my size... ~250zł was as much as I could pay... Now money are gone and I will have to use what I've got. Of course I don't walk that much but I wear my DESANTY all day long 10 hours a day and haven't got even one blister, they are little warm, but its nothing excessive... After all conscripts use those for whole 9 months and live so they can't be that bad. Better cushioned boots sound nice, will try it when buying some cheap hikes for the summer :). I don't think I will be able to buy salomons anytime soon :) Until then I will have to change my walking habits :)

It's a free country - you may try to f_ck up your feet as much as you want, but you've been warned. ;-)

[hammerlock]

If you were in Canada i would say buy yourself a good pair of MKIII combat boots. I wore them all though basic and for years afterwards, yes there are better but they work and once you break them in and have a good pair of insoles there fine.

50.00 buck is a bit cheap and you should spend a bit more but don;t buy into the whole hi-tech boot thing. Standard combat boots work, they wore them all though WW2 though the 50's to 80"s when the hi-tech boots started to take over.

[Kilo Golf]

Just got a pair of Lowa Renegade GTX's and should be issued a pair of Asolo Fsn 95 GTX's later this week too. Next week I am going to be TDY for about 2 weeks hiking approx. 60 miles of the Appalaichan Trail. I will be using these boots and will send my reviews on them.


--KG

[XxDrAg0nxX]

As a matterfact, I did yesterday. Its extremely light and comfortable. I opted for the Desert Ops instead because they seemed a bit more breathable and just make more sense since I'll be using them in Iraq. I can't comment on the durability. I'll get back to you in a year.

I found the boot a little hard all over, did it soften out after a while?
Comfort level?

[Gamby]

Hi,

After plenty of research on the net and on this site, I decided to buy a pair of new Belleville 700ST's. I love 'em!

The only thing is that I'm getting blisters at the back of my ankles. If you feel inside the boot, there is a seam at the back where the goretex lining joins together. The stitching feels rough, almost like a course metal file!

What should I do? I'm tempted to cut that part out, or cover it with something. Any active duty guys have any tips or tricks to fix this?

Thanks in advance,
Gamby

[Pook2]

Got thick socks? And nylons to go under those?

[Acid Bath]

I bought the same boots and had almost the exact same problem you describe, but only on my right foot. The left boot was the best thing I ever wore. I sent an e-mail to the company and explained the problem and they said it was a defect and to pay to have it sent back and get a new pair. I sent them back and to compensate me for paying to have defective boots sent back they sent the new pair back express. The new boots are the best things I have ever put on my feet, I suggest you send an e-mail to the company.

[Gamby]

ICB Use and Care instructions state:

"1. Wear with: 1 pair of socks, cushion sole, acrylic, polyester olefin, nylon, lyrca blend. 1 pair of insole inserts if desired."

So I'm wearing Wigwam Ultimax F6077 40% Olefin 36% Acrylic 20% Nylon, 4% Lycra.

Please tell me more about nylon unders? If I was in the military I would just wear what everyone else wears with them but I'm kinda shooting in the dark here.

[lt tahoe]

One way to avoid blisters on road marches is to put a pair of short nylons on under your boot socks. I used to grab a few from the womens' shoe department whenever my girlfriend tried on shoes. Free and effective! Just make sure you take them off when you get back and don't walk around the squad bay with them on :)

I actually got issued some really thin cotton socks at one point that worked pretty well, too. Sure they were cotton, but they were so thin it didn't seem to matter much. I have never seen them since.

[Shrap]

The "nylon unders" are actually called "liners" socks. They're used in outdoor for a long long time to prevent blisters. They're usually made of nylon, polyester, polypropylene or even wool. You will find them at your local outdoor shop for sure. About 5-6 $ Canadian / pair.

I would advice against cotton liners since cotton traps moisture in, making you lose warmth and making you more ****e to blisters.

[Royal]

or even wool.

or even silk...

Send your boots back.

They shouldn't feel like that.

[GNR]

or even silk...

Send your boots back.

They shouldn't feel like that.

I 2nd that, it sounds like they are sewn wrong.

[Bohemoth]

Nobody mentioned the good old battle-proven GI Altama boots with Panama Soles.
Here the desert version:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/kwp/e84160b7.jpg

[krasnayaarmiya]

BW Bergschuh one of the contractors for German Army current issue boot pretty much the same as Lowa High Mountain (Bundeswehr) boots. VERY comfortable, very light, probably not great for extreme heat, but great waterproofing, amazing soling. They get excellent traction in the slickest of mud. Had mine one year, and they are a real assett. Look on Ebay. They did cost me over $250 bucks, though.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

My Bates M9, current everyday wear.

[Gamby]

Email to Belleville has been sent. Thanks again guys!

[trey40]

my gen 1 oakley boots are starting to show their age, but i have been very pleased with them and plan on getting their current production boots. they have a larger footprint and have been good to my ankles by spreading out the shock from jumping and decending down ropes, etc. i dont think they have the support or tread for extended mountaineering ops. i would go for something from north face for that

[Kilo Golf]

I love the Oakleys but I have already burned up a pair from fastroping and they don't grip too well in the back of a 53...


--KG

[jagermeister]

oakleys suck....i had some for about 3 months before they wore out. I got some new danner acadia GTXs or something like that. Best boot ive ever worn.

[Jsjoholm]

I picked up a pair of Merrell Sawtooths some weeks ago and used them for two weeks in Tikrit - the sole on the left boot started to seperate from the shoe after one week though. I have emailed Merrell about this but they haven't gotten back to me as of yet.


It all worked out well with the reseller shipping me a new pair to replace the old broken ones. And after wearing them for a month or so in Israel - what happens ? The sole starts to seperate on the right boot just like it did on the old pair.. Superglued it for now, seeing as I don't have the time to sit around waiting for merrell. But I am so buying something else when I get back to the States. Meindl Desert Fox looks alright. Even my old Magnum Amazon Desert's are holding up better than the Merrells I've had so far, doesn't that just take the cake...

[trey40]

chuck taylors with some tan spray paint is all you need buddy

[NLD]

Currently in use

Meindl Perfect; Nice boot for winter/mountain ops. Very comfortable but
also heavy.

http://www.kampeermarkt.com/php_content/shop/afbeeldingen/produkten/Perfekt.jpg

Scarpa Concordia; Good alround boot and very comfortable. Some Dutch soldiers choice.

http://www.sherpa.ru/i/product/38/m/4174.jpg

Salomon Expert Mid; Lightweight ops, I use it more for biking or small summer walks

http://ski-sport.dnh.cz/upload/$$37959$km$salomon_expertmid_w500%5B1%5D.jpg

I also got some dutch army lightweight combat boots. These army 'abuse boots'. More survivalboots then hikingboots to me.

Planning to use
I'm planning to buy a pair of Danner Acadia's. But they are very pricy compare to a Meindl or a Lowa Army boot. The Hanwag Specialforce is also a nice option. With all the options it's hard to make up your mind.

[Andrew116]

Theres a good chance that Im going to find my self riding horses and hikeing throught the woods all summer long.

Whats a good brand of boot that is fairly easy on the wallet.

I'd like them to be light weight (almost like desert boots if not) Probably able to drain water (like jungle boots) kinda low cut though its less of a issue.

Is there like a general boot or am I asking the impossible?

Thanks

[lightcav]

you'll be hard pressed to find a riding boot that you can hike in. I would recommend Ariat bran boots with a low heel or some other lacer style boot. Packers are nice but the heels are pretty high for hiking. Not cheap and always made in leather, never suede.

Sounds fun. What are you doing that intails horseback riding?

[Andrew116]

lightcav[/LEFT];2433826]you'll be hard pressed to find a riding boot that you can hike in. I would recommend
Ariat bran boots with a low heel or some other
lacer style boot. Packers are nice but the heels are pretty high for hiking. Not cheap and always made in leather, never suede.

Sounds fun. What are you doing that
intails horseback riding?

I might be
volunteering to ride with
mentally
handicapped kids, (
Therapeutic Riding)
Plus
Im always in the woods and
hiking up and down hills, cliffs, through rivers and looking for something better then out tennis shoes p-)

[lightcav]

Noble cause.

I would recommend getting two pairs of boots. One for hiking and getting a cheap pair of low heeled riding boots.

Ariats are usually pretty expensive so I would rule them out. Look for Justin brand boots they make lacers and ropers essentially the same only one is laced up and the other is pull-on. They are more reasonable than other riding boots and you can usually find them used on ebay for cheaper than retail.

I have two pairs of Justin lacers and one pair of Ariats. The Ariats are way better but you can usually find Justin's on ebay for cheaper. I got a pair of Justin's for around $20.

I wouldn't recommend riding in hiking boots or combat style boots. When I was little I used tennis shoes but it was risky and I would strongly recommend against using anything but riding boots with a heel. Your foot will get stuck in the stirrup if you fall off and when you dismount. The horses you'll be riding will probably not run or bolt but you never know, you could get dragged.

[Creeper]

I used to ride Western horse and IMHO suggest that since you are hiking as well, go with a lite hiking boot commonly found on http://rei.com/.

I would not recommend 'Packers' but take a look at these:
http://images.rei.com/media/l/1168072.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:myGoto(largeFeaturedImgLink);)
http://www.rei.com/product/733435?vcat=REI_SSHP_FOOTWEAR_TOC
or
http://media.rei.com/media/981791.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:myGoto(largeFeaturedImgLink);)
http://www.rei.com/product/748510?vcat=REI_SSHP_FOOTWEAR_TOC

[ZaakM433]

I may vouch for the latter mid sized shoe mentioned in the above host. They are of mesh construction however so don't expect them to stand up to too much heavy abuse, but I have found they held up better than I expected to ordinary wear. With any shoe/boot (depends on your definition) meant for hiking once the tread is worn down it loses a significant amount of grip. While I wished to use them for hiking I found I wore them more in the tennis shoe replacement capacity since they were so comfortable, much more comfortable when standing or walking for long periods because of better ankle support.

They are Merrell Mesa Ventilator Mids. I purchased mine from Cabela's B&B for $80 2 years ago. After 2 years the toe box has split away from the base of each shoe on the inward facing side of each shoe and the tread is quite worn down. I need to replace them, time to get used to wearing something else.

EDIT: The above pictured shoe is the Moab, which is almost identical to the Mesa. Perhaps the Moab has a few improvements over the Mesa and would be even better.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

http://www.shoestoboot.com/images/cove/matterhorn/1997_87.jpg
anyone tried this before?

Matterhorn 10" Waterproof All Leather Field Boots with ComforTemp® -

This comfortemp thinggy, seems like its supposed to keep your foot warm when its cold, and keep your foot cool when its hot.... it would be a wonderful technology if it really works :)

[Grumpy Bastard]

Nobody mentioned the good old battle-proven GI Altama boots with Panama Soles.
Here the desert version:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/kwp/e84160b7.jpg

What apart from on the first page?

[NLD]

anyone tried this before?

Matterhorn 10" Waterproof All Leather Field Boots with ComforTemp® -

This comfortemp thinggy, seems like its supposed to keep your foot warm when its cold, and keep your foot cool when its hot.... it would be a wonderful technology if it really works :)

Problem I find with goretex boots, is that they are too warm during the
summertimes. In the winter they are very good.

I don't have matterhorns, but some dudes I know have. Much the same as Danner.
A good boot. But expensive.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Problem I find with goretex boots, is that they are too warm during the
summertimes. In the winter they are very good.

I don't have matterhorns, but some dudes I know have. Much the same as Danner.
A good boot. But expensive.

It seems to be combined with comfortemp.
A quote from its website:

"Comfortemp® is the brand name for intelligent nonwovens (http://www.comfortemp.com/htm_english/vliesstoffe.htm), into which mPCM (http://www.comfortemp.com/htm_english/mpcm.htm) materials have been integrated. They interactively react to changing body or outside temperatures.
Depending on the individual situation or activity level they absorb excess body heat and store it until it is needed again. This keeps you in the comfort zone (http://www.comfortemp.com/htm_english/komfortzone.htm) longer."
http://www.comfortemp.com/htm_english/index2.htm
Its supposed to keep the feet cool...

[Vostok]

got a question for those of you with the Bates M-9.

How well does the side zip hold up to constant use? I've seen some of the local infantry-types using them, but never got a chance to ask them.

Also anyone have any experience with the Lowa Seeker PT?

[XxDrAg0nxX]

My M9 is the non-zipp version.

However supercomfortable it is, the upper part of it seems to be made of PVC, thus it has peeled off.

Overall its a good boot.

[RallyPointCebu]

This is rather an old thread.. but anyways... i bought this boot in Singapore.. its a merril... its nice... i use it all the time when i go outdoors and stuff.. good grip in muddy/wet terrain... nice ankle support... i use/carry over backpack for 3-4 days hike; dpends on the climb/hike.

the setting is hot tropical climate, dry and dusty in the urban area and, wet and muddy in the rural area. so my boot is pretty much batterd. ill post my pics later on...

this is the model of the boots... i bought this for SGD 114.00 thats 1.5SGD for a 1 USD.

http://www.merrellboot.com/Shop/Detail.aspx?NavID=FT-O-HIK&PID=12004
(http://www.merrellboot.com/Shop/Detail.aspx?NavID=FT-O-HIK&PID=12004)

[TacoDelRio]

Just goes to the main page, Cebu.

[James]

It all worked out well with the reseller shipping me a new pair to replace the old broken ones. And after wearing them for a month or so in Israel - what happens ? The sole starts to seperate on the right boot just like it did on the old pair.. Superglued it for now, seeing as I don't have the time to sit around waiting for merrell. But I am so buying something else when I get back to the States. Meindl Desert Fox looks alright. Even my old Magnum Amazon Desert's are holding up better than the Merrells I've had so far, doesn't that just take the cake...

That's too bad. I've had a pair of Sawtooths for more than two years, and they're great.


chuck taylors with some tan spray paint is all you need buddy

I've seen that before... You can get them re-soled and use some good insoles too.

[Sand Man]

Oakleys are not doing good in this thread.


How about the newer Elite Special Forces S.I. Assault Boots? Anyone tried it?

http://oakley.com/pd/view_large/4314

[Jsjoholm]

That's too bad. I've had a pair of Sawtooths for more than two years, and they're great.

James, yea it is too bad but they are very comfortable shoes and I am not giving up yet. Third time is the charm, or 'do it again, and do it right' to Merrell. Their costumer support has been very helpful and I feel very at ease with talking to them about these problems, that I have gotten two pairs of lemons doesn't make the whole family deceased. <end of cliché speak>

They have even offered me a new pair, or a full refund including all my shipping costs. So what do I got to lose on getting a new pair and see if they won't hold up better.

[Jsjoholm]

Oakleys are not doing good in this thread.


How about the newer Elite Special Forces S.I. Assault Boots? Anyone tried it?

http://oakley.com/pd/view_large/4314

Looks nice, but I would just like to express an opinion, imho anything that calls itself elite, special forces and/or d3333lta is to be weary of. And Oakley hasn't yet made much of a reputation in the boot industry as reliable. How much are they anyway?

[RallyPointCebu]

Just goes to the main page, Cebu.
OK... my bad... heres the link.
http://www.merrellboot.com/Shop/Detail.aspx?NavID=FT-O-HIK&PID=12004

http://www.merrellboot.com/Shop/Detail.aspx?NavID=FT-O-HIK&PID=12004

[TacoDelRio]

Good boot, I think.

I've got Merrells with alot of use on them, and I haven't had any problems yet, thankfully. They seem to be good boots (Phaser Peak).

[jagermeister]

Looks nice, but I would just like to express an opinion, imho anything that calls itself elite, special forces and/or d3333lta is to be weary of. And Oakley hasn't yet made much of a reputation in the boot industry as reliable. How much are they anyway?

i wore my oakleys for about 3 months before they were in the trash.....

[Jsjoholm]

i wore my oakleys for about 3 months before they were in the trash.....

Yea that sounds like what my coworkers have experienced with them, one of them picked up a pair of the 8" assault boots and they fell apart after 5 months on the job. And that guy didn't really leave the camp all that often to actually get around to using his boots. I'll stick to my Danners, and *cough*merrells*cough*.

I went to Oakley's webpage just now, to figure out which boots he had bought - and I saw that they don't call them "military boots" or the such but instead they refer to them as "military-inspired boots".. inspired...
They do look good though, them Oakleys. Their designs are sporty and modern.

[bghon]

I wears SWAT Original everyday for work...no problem so far...and it's manufactured in USA.

[jango]

I have notice that there are lot of soldier who are not wearing the standard issue combat boot that they are supplied with and are buying and wearing civilian camp and hiking boots and footwear.

I was wondering what is your favorite brand of hiking boot and would you prefer it over the boot that you would be supplied with by your branch of your countries defence forces.

[Zero The Hero]

Where have I seen this question before?

[ZoneOne]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php?searchid=787644

[XxDrAg0nxX]

IF I am not wrong, there is a so called military issue Oakleys and a commercial version.

I was told you could tell by the label on the side of the boot, but I forgot what that label was :D

Refer to this site: https://www.usstandardissue.com/boots.aspx
However I see NO NSN numbers. So... pls dont jump to conclusions..

[Roldwin]

What can you tell me about a pair of Magnum Elite ?? I'm thinking about buying them

[scrybe]

Evita las Magnums!

Never heard good things about their longevity. Comfortable for a while, but fall apart within a few months.

[dobrodan]

Two and a half year ago I bought a pair of goretex ECCO-boots, just to have something decent to use in the winter... I have used them for almost anything!
These boots has been through oil, saltwater, snow, slush, sharp rocks, you name it... And not least, lots and lots of walking. And it hardly shows... They are almost as good as they were when they were new. The sole is hardly showing any wear, and they are still completely dry!

I couldnt find the exact model in ECCO´s website, but this is the closest I could find:

http://www.ecco.com/performance/ProductDetails.aspx?c=9e403d4b-b507-4f46-8b11-3fd927aeb10b&pc=21561ebe-dc67-4927-a017-6c9a0696edf4&s=fcd4a9f4-ecfb-4d9f-9e1d-66b3d117b9eb&p=5f39506d-9ec3-499d-abdf-d1ae86b0beee

[Kilo Golf]

Just finished my 8 day Appalacian Trail hike and my Lowa boots rock! I didn't need to break them in at all. I did 80 miles and my feet feel great. I definately reccomend them to anyone. I did not get my ASOLO's in time, so I didn't get to try them out. I noticed most of the people that are hiking the entire trail said that the ASOLO TPS 520 GTX's are the best boots you can buy. Some buddys of mine have them and will never use any other boots again. I plan on getting some in the future. These boots are expensive but worth more than their weight in gold!

--KG

[Roldwin]

Evita las Magnums!

Never heard good things about their longevity. Comfortable for a while, but fall apart within a few months.


Thanks for the advice amigo. What do you recomend me? right now I don't remember what other boots are permitted in our army

[Roldwin]

mmmm those BESTARD looks nice to me

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9440/5140450qk3.jpg

[huey_crew_chief]

Is Wellco one of the corperations that make the belleville stye boots for the US Army? Thanks!

[Jarhead]

yup, you are right

Jarhead

[Sneeker]

Isnt Wellco the same brand that your mom would by you to save oh $60 and then have to by 20 more pairs a year. Or is that Lynx brand shoes? To many concusions. Its all fuzzy. Help

[huey_crew_chief]

Isnt Wellco the same brand that your mom would by you to save oh $60 and then have to by 20 more pairs a year. Or is that Lynx brand shoes? To many concusions. Its all fuzzy. Help
Do you mean "buy" instead of "by". Wellco has been making combat boots for decades, I just didn't know if they had a current contract with the US Army for the Belleville type boots.

[Grey2Green10]

Yes, Wellco is one of the corporations that the US Army uses to issue boots for the ACU. I would disagree that they make the "Belleville style" however, as Belleville itself is also one of the corporations used as a supplier for the Army. In my personal opinion, if you don't mind spending a few more dollars, then go with Belleville. I wore Wellco boots during CBT and they were terrible; I've been wearing Belleville with no problems.

[huey_crew_chief]

My black issue Bellevilles have been going strong for 6 years. I put alot of miles on them and alot of JP8 on them too. I love them! I just got a good deal on the wellcos, so I figured I'd try them. I don't play in the filed anymore so I should be fine just rolling on the streets with them.

[huey_crew_chief]

Oh, one more thing. By "Belleville" style, I mean that the USMC combat boot general issue was Rocky and Belleville. It was just a quick reference to use. The Army adapted them soon after. They started giving us the good stuff at about the time I got out. Most of they guys were still autherized to wear their black boots with th ACUs when I got out.

[Sneeker]

Do you mean "buy" instead of "by". Wellco has been making combat boots for decades, I just didn't know if they had a current contract with the US Army for the Belleville type boots.

Ya I do mean buy. Thanks.
:fork:

[Shrapp]

I have had my Wellco Boots for 4 years now, outstanding quality.

[David]

i got issued bellevilles when i first got issued acu's, and wore the same pair in iraq for a year, they got torn to hell, stiching coming out, stained, suede rubbed til it was smooth, toe caps crushed until they were broken in half and eventually the sole started to break along the ball of my foot area. but they're comfortable as hell, i don't wear them in garrison anymore because they look like ****, but i just bought a new pair.

[dave81]

My Bellevilles are halfway through their second deployment and there's barely any wear on the sole. It's ridiculous. Of course I wore a hole in the ankle part of the canvas within the first few weeks (I guess it's the way I walk), but the rest of the boot has held up incredibly well...Maybe too well?!?

(Cue dramatic music: Dun-dun-DUNNNNN!!!)

[rubberduckie]

Hey guys, just a question here, i noe theres alrdy a boot thread here, but i just wanted to ask, to compare th Oakley Si Boots and th Black Hawk Desert Ops Boots, which is a better deal?

Have heard a lot of mixed comments on th Oakleys i.e. falls apart easily, comfy, wears out fast, etc. But hafnt heard much of anything on th BH boots, anyone can tell me bout em?

Thnx loads,
Marc

[SMGLee]

Oakley is no better then soime of the cheaper brand. it is not any more comfortable and it wear fast. no luck with the BHI boots but if you want a great pair of boots at a reasonable price... Converse makes a great product that is better then the Oakley but at a much lower price.

[JDBL14]

Nobody mentioned the good old battle-proven GI Altama boots with Panama Soles.
Here the desert version:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/kwp/e84160b7.jpg

i have a "generic" pair of these and they are really great, only problem was that originally they came with a cheap perforated foam insole, well i swapped it out for a dr. shoals memory foam insole and they are truely great, i've had them for over 4 3 years with many trails and almost everyday use, and they've stood up great

[Old Soldier]

The BH Desert Ops boots are the most comfortable boots I've worn in 25 years.... (And I have Oakleys as well.)

[tango44]

Oakley is no better then soime of the cheaper brand. it is not any more comfortable and it wear fast. no luck with the BHI boots but if you want a great pair of boots at a reasonable price... Converse makes a great product that is better then the Oakley but at a much lower price.

Oakley is the best! it is the most confortable boot that I wear in the last 18 years during my career, my last pair last for more than 2 years that's fair enough for me, the only thing is that this are not cheap!

[James]

Get Bellevilles and put Superfeet insoles in them.

Glorious.

[silentsport]

i had oakleys and i used them 2 years, till they fell apart. loved them, but they are not waterproof. now I use BHI boots, very good too, and waterproof:-)

[ABNINF]

I've got a pair of the 5.11 HRT desert boots and they're extremely comfortable. Had them for a year now, and they're just now starting to get worn down. Just another option.

[Puyo]

My favorites are Belleville 550ST, very comfortable & hard.

[substance]

BHI Desert Warrior boots are unlike any I've ever worn. they don't massage your feet as you run but they come close. Funny incident happened. Stepped into this large grease bucket next to a bird and literally just washed my boot off with a hose.(?maybe because it was so fresh?) just thought i'd share.

[uglybaby]

I second the 5.11's. If you can somehow find a pair of the digital camo desert boots (these seem to be lighter and more breathable than the coyote ones I have as well cause of the fabric insteado of seude) I think you would be happy with them. They are by no means waterproof, but I have really sweaty feet and these let them breathe like no other boots I've owned. Really light and comfortable for all day walking, hiking or whatever.

[jagermeister]

oakleys are the worst boots ive ever worn they got tossed in the trash after about 3 months. I wont put anything but Danners on my feet, hands down best boot ever!p-)

[rubberduckie]

Hey guys, thanks for all th info! really much appreciated...shall consider th other options suggested. Seems like th Oakleys wear out fast...paying just for th 'brand name' huh...

[jizzmonkey]

I've had both, the oakleys were comfy but I wore them everyday in Iraq for about 6 months and they ended up with 100 mile/hour tape all over them, the BHI's seem just as comfy and have lasted hella longer. If you fax Oakley a copy of mil ID you get the government prices which are on average 30 -50% cheaper, they'll only keep it on file for a year and you have to fax it to them again but it's worth it. I got the oakley boots for 96 bucks. Assualt gloves were 35 bucks as opposed to the usual 50 bucks and you can get the most of the M-frames with all lenses for half the price the catch with the glasses is that the order has to be 125 bucks or more, so get some friends to join in. Fax them a copy of your ID and they'll send you the price list in excel format.

[jizzmonkey]

as a matter of fact Pm me an e-mail and I'll send the agreement and price list.

[thomas93190728]

Belleville and Merrell. Both are excellent, very tough and durable.

[Jsjoholm]

oakleys are the worst boots ive ever worn they got tossed in the trash after about 3 months. I wont put anything but Danners on my feet, hands down best boot ever!p-)
I hear what your saying but.. That must be a bit awkward when its time for them ballroom dances...p-)

[hk53]

the same water problem over here

the o boot fits good en walks great :)



i had oakleys and i used them 2 years, till they fell apart. loved them, but they are not waterproof. now I use BHI boots, very good too, and waterproof:-)

[Otter9309]

I had a pair of the first gen Oak's, and it was a very comfy boot. I liked everything about the boot, but it was not H2O proof. I ordered another pair, but received the second "improved" gen. The 2nd gen O's SUCK!! they do not breathe and the sole is not as flexible. I would say if you can find the 1st. gen get them, other wise keep away.

S.

[Jaeger]

This is the case: I want to buy a pair of Belleville 790 and in order to do so, I need to order them from the US as there are no retailers in Sweden. I sure could use some help from people with some experience with these boots!

My shoesize is around 9 (265mm), but how do I know or measure how wide the boot should be?

The Belleville website says: "In some cases, we have found our hot weather boots are slightly larger in fit than your normal running shoe size. In most cases, we have found that boots containing a GORE-TEX® bootie may require ½ size larger than our hot weather boots for a proper fit."
Is this something I have to consider?

How do you wear your boots in the US Army in terms of socks? In Sweden, it´s standard to have two pair of socks and I believe that our bootsizes take that into account.

Any general experience drawn from Belleville or 790 in particular is highly appriciated aswell.

Thanks alot!
Martin

[piesmatt]

I have that pair in black Gore Tex in 10.5. The Gore Tex size is the same as your gym shoes. They are also the most comfortable boot I've ever worn!

[Scrim]

Buying boots online sucks. The first pair never fit!
The companies are good about returns, hell they usually give you 30 days to wear them on carpet only. Your problem is that its going to cost you a bloody fortune to send back and forth from US to Europe if they dont fit.

I dont know if this helps, but Ive worn an 11 1/2W for years in leather and jungle boots, mostly Altma. I just got some Corcoran and Belleville deserts and I had to get both in 10 1/2W. So they are sized big.

[nemrac]

i just got a pair of altama flight line jungle boots. i web site also says that the jungle line are slightly larger. so i went with 1/2 size smaller in reg. lenght was good but to narrow. if you go 1/2 size smaller get a wide.

[Ruledbyjames]

I've a pair of 790s. Get them! They're a fantastic boot all round, great in rough terrain and comfortable for walking round town in. Ankle support is good as is the sole of the boot. Well worth the investment!

Try ebay cause I got mine for dirt cheap there!

[dave81]

Do what I do: Find someone on eBay selling the same brand and model of boots in the approximate size you want. Ask them to measure the length and width of the removeable insole, and compare it to your own feets, then you'll know what size to get. I buy shoes online this way and have so far haven't had any problems with fit when they arrive in the mail.

PS: In the US Army we normally wear one pair of socks with the boots. Of course, if you get something like Thor-Lo socks, they're as thick as two pair.

[Sabre]

I've only ever bought boots online after trying them on in store (they're cheaper online, and I'm skint!). There's no way I'd buy boots that I haven't tried on. Feet vary greatly in length and width, as do boots. Just because you are a 10 in one manufacturer's boot doesn't mean that all 10's will fit you. You may find that the boot is the wrong shape (ie too narrow). If you are going to be tabbing distances in these boots, try a pair on first, if you can't then don't buy them.

There are great boot makers in Europe (especially Sweden!), I would suggest you try some of their boots on. Lowa, Meindl, Hanwag, Lundhags are all great makes. Also, consider if you really need gore-tex in your boots. It's something of a double-edged sword.

[Jaeger]

I usually don´t buy boots online for just the reasons you guys mentioned, but in this case I stand with no choice as there are no retailers around for the 790. I´m somewhat of a bootfetisch and I simply want them, end of story p-).

Dave81> Thanks alot, I will use the advice on measuring the insole!

Sabre> Don´t worry. I use different boots on duty, both GT´s and leather. Desert boots don´t work very in rain, mud and snow anyways. Thanks for the tip though!

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Today I somehow decided to 'sun' my Bates M9 boots.

So I dug out my Altama Tatical Boots from the cabinet.

I left for work.

GOD DAMIT..

Its now disintegrating right before my eyes!:roll:

And Hell my shop floor has like footprints of black melted rubber!

I flipped the boots over, the soles are cracked...

I didnt expect its lifespan could be so short...

I am now walking around in slippers :(

Will post pics later when I can...

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Here they are...

I am losing my confidence in Altamas...

Anyone experienced such a thing before?

[ShakesFIST]

Where do you work?

Maybe you stepped in something...

[Rakki]

I read somewhere that modern footwear are designed to bio-degrade if they haven't been in use for say, a year or so.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Where do you work?

Maybe you stepped in something...

I have a cybercafe / computer shop.. I doubt its something i stepped on..

It seems to be 'dried' out due to old age?

But this is Singapore... stuff here rust just being left out in the open :roll:

[XxDrAg0nxX]

I read somewhere that modern footwear are designed to bio-degrade if they haven't been in use for say, a year or so.


What the? If thats true, then spending a lot on boots (something which i thought would last me years) seems to be getting pointless :(

However every other part seems ok though, I doubt the coudura parts would degrade :p

[quinsen]

If you buy a new pair of boots, buy LOWA oder Meindl. ;)

[XxDrAg0nxX]

If you buy a new pair of boots, buy LOWA oder Meindl. ;)

Any link for that? A search gave me jibberish i didnt understand :D

I was actually aiming for that blackhawk boots, I tried the patrol one, not bad, VERY comfortable. Just not too sure about the other waterproof one.

[bersaglieri]

I read somewhere that modern footwear are designed to bio-degrade if they haven't been in use for say, a year or so.

I'm just trying to imagine the unit cost of a pair of boots with the inbuilt computer power to decide that they have'nt been used for 12 months and to then switch off the molecular bonds in the materialsp-)

...or in other words - how on earth could a pair of boots differentiate between not in use and in use? They would ALL start to biodegrade after 12 months , no matter the level of useage.

[astro]

That's some pretty radical meltdown!
It looks very much like a chemical response on the rubber; you cleaned your work floors with a different kind of cleaner recently? Maybe there was even a puddle outside you've walked in that was more... toxic.. than you thought?

[XxDrAg0nxX]

That's some pretty radical meltdown!
It looks very much like a chemical response on the rubber; you cleaned your work floors with a different kind of cleaner recently? Maybe there was even a puddle outside you've walked in that was more... toxic.. than you thought?

Not really, come to think of it, I have kept the boot in storage for like 1 year??
The cracks seems to resemble that of dried rubber.
I can actually PEEL off bits and pieces of it now...:-(

[Robbee]

I had exactly the same thing happen to a pair of Danner boots that had been in storage (in the attic) for a couple of years in a high humidity climate.
It was almost as if the sunlight set off some kind of a reaction and the soles just melted.

[quinsen]

Any link for that? A search gave me jibberish i didnt understand :D

http://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/footwear.html

[Herrmannek]

synthetics are often made from few substances, some of them are to make them softer and they are "****e" to leaving the mix.. maybe this happened to you boot... poor quality, warm conditions -> no boot... Buy new one :)

[XxDrAg0nxX]

I had exactly the same thing happen to a pair of Danner boots that had been in storage (in the attic) for a couple of years in a high humidity climate.
It was almost as if the sunlight set off some kind of a reaction and the soles just melted.

Wow it can happen to a pair of Danners???

Hmm, my boots were kept in a dark cupboard...

And scientists here who can confirm why this happens?

[Herrmannek]

Wow it can happen to a pair of Danners???

Hmm, my boots were kept in a dark cupboard...

And scientists here who can confirm why this happens?

Can't, but you can read some more here to credit the claim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasticizer

[XxDrAg0nxX]

synthetics are often made from few substances, some of them are to make them softer and they are "****e" to leaving the mix.. maybe this happened to you boot... poor quality, warm conditions -> no boot... Buy new one :)

Are Altamas that bad?

I thought such a thing happens to rubber when its dry?

btw can anyone access www.blackhawk.com (http://www.blackhawk.com)? it seems to be prompting me username and password to enter?

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Can't, but you can read some more here to credit the claim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasticizer

Why do I have a feeling they are developing this not to protect the environment, but its so that we will have to spend more on a replacement when the product degrades :roll:

[Herrmannek]

Don't know if Altama is that bad. it could be bad batch... If we don't know what exactly this sole is made of we can only guess...

can't enter too...

[Ubar]

just get some lowas and forget about boot problems ;)

[XxDrAg0nxX]

just get some lowas and forget about boot problems ;)

Lowas are quite inaccessible to me here :(

Only the blackhawk ones seem to be a good option, or those okleys..

BUTTT

The blackhawk site doesnt seem to be working properly :( cant do my research...

[Roaming East]

hmmm, found a pair of my fathers' desert boots back from the FIRST gulf war. still in excellent shape. Guess they dont make combat boots for combat anymore.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

hmmm, found a pair of my fathers' desert boots back from the FIRST gulf war. still in excellent shape. Guess they dont make combat boots for combat anymore.

Any pics? :D

I have no clue how they looked like during that time...

[Robbee]

My danners were an old pair from the late 80's. They had been stored for a couple of years in an attic with outside temperatures from 0˚C to 40˚C throughout the year.
After doing a bit of research online, it looks like the old rubber broke down due to the heat of the concrete. I'm not sure if they had nitrile soles back in the day.

[Roaming East]

Any pics? :D

I have no clue how they looked like during that time...

Look just like GI issue Jungle boots with suede instead of black leather and all khaki material. the sole is an odd reddish color rubber though.

[ShakesFIST]

Maybe they were knockoffs? Kind of like the Oakley boots. There is the US boots and the overseas boots.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Maybe they were knockoffs? Kind of like the Oakley boots. There is the US boots and the overseas boots.

Hmm that never crossed my mind... :roll: I hope not... The guys at the store told me it was direct from Altama.

Hope my bates M9 will last me a while longer before it disintegrates too :cantbeli:

[Silent 6]

I just threw out my Altama jungle boots that I had purchased back in 1993 while in ROTC. They've been through it all over the past 14 years. They were worn down, paint covered and torn. It was time for them to go.

Those boots, IMHO, look like they've been exposed to some chemical.

[Herrmannek]

It's a free country - you may try to f_ck up your feet as much as you want, but you've been warned. ;-)

Update on my military current polish issue boots... I overcame health problems. Got gel insole(cushioning and some profiling for flat foot, they are great BTW) now with growing strength of my feet footache is almost gone(4 days of walking in rocky mountains and no problems). Now problem is that after five months of daily use with occasional off road trips they started to give up their life... leather is still intact, but the composite sole of the left boot separated into two parts and is held in place only with stitching and bolts, all gluing is gone.. Now boot makes loud whistling noise when walking, when air is pushed out of the sole sandwich... They are still walkable but I don't expect them to last to long...

Right boot is still strong so I suppose its a quality control/manufacturing error. It seems I got the lemon :)


As a side note. I'm curious if guy who sold me them new over allegro(~ebay) will be willing to swap them for new ones.

[James]

Is a Merrell Sawtooht a good pair of boots?

Read the damn thread. :cantbeli:

[James]

Found it already
But who want to read all those pages hehhehe :)

Most say it's good
But everybody says it about new gear
I was looking for some reviews from guy that have the boot
for some time now. (durability etc)

You must have missed my comments about wearing them for more than 2 years.

[Grumpy Bastard]

Merrell are an established and well regarded manufacturer. Many people would recommend the Sawtooths and I don't doubt them. However a lot of folks on the net will sing their praises simple because they have see the odd pic of a Navy Seal or SF chappy trottin' about in them without having any personal experience.

Boots & footwear in particular are very much an item in which your own preferences make a huge difference. Add in the factors of socks & insoles combined to this then a annonymous online recommendation/or sale is of minimal use without trying the boots.

I do buy footwear over the web but usually models I've used before.
I wouldn't buy a pair of boots for "serious" use as a first time purshase on online as it's more than likely to be a waste of money.

It the Sawtooths fit the profile of what you want to use them for try hard to find a local stockist & try them out at least.

[James]

I put Superfeet Insoles (http://www.superfeet.com/) in all my boots. I also wear Smartwool socks (https://www.smartwool.com/default.cfm). I've had great luck with my Merrel Sawtooths, though colleagues who've worked in Baghdad have had their soles melt off of the uppers in summer time (I work in A'Stan, and it isn't as hot here).
On this trip I switched to Vasque Sundowner Classic (http://www.vasque.com/products/m-sundownergtx.cfm) with the same insoles mentioned above; far and away the best boot I have ever worn. Not too hot, even if it's 120F; comfortable to wear, all day long.

[Bohemoth]

i have a "generic" pair of these and they are really great, only problem was that originally they came with a cheap perforated foam insole, well i swapped it out for a dr. shoals memory foam insole and they are truely great, i've had them for over 4 3 years with many trails and almost everyday use, and they've stood up great
Haha, I also swapped my Altama's insoles against one of those sophisticated ones with special support and reflex zones etc., but later changed back to the simple standard insole as they are easier to wash and give me a better direct feeling with the ground.

My new boots, the Belleville 500 as used by the USMC are 21st Century High Tech Boots compared to the good old Altama GI boots, but for all-day use I find the Altamas more comfortable (and more stylish :lol:).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/kwp/ef7d74bb.jpg

[TacoDelRio]

I own two pairs of Merrells. Some boots for mountaineering with some mixed in ice climbing (typically beats the living snot out of feet and footwear), and a pair of trail runners.

My only complaint so far is that the glue used to hold the toe-end of the sole on the trail runners isn't strong enough, as it peels back (dumb mistake). It also is not stitched on.

Both have a $^*(%&*load of miles on them. Buy a pair.

[Dan2004]

I've been looking at getting a pair of 10" Altama Ripples, and I've heard good things about them. Stuff like how comfortable they are, and how well they handle rough terrain. But what i want to know is: Can I do D&C in them?

Most of my time on duty is spent on a hard, even surface, i.e., the drill-floor in an armory. Just looking at the sole, I'm thinking I'm going to execute a facing movement and wind up on my ass. Are the good for hard surfaces?

The boots I'm used to are the relatively flat lug-soled ICBs and Panama-soled jungle boots which are well suited for the garrison environment, but they beat the hell out of my feet in the field. I used to have a pair of Matterhorns, and while they were great cold weather boots, they were stiff even after years of wear and were just plain painful.

Can anyone help me out with this?

Hooah,

Dan

[brianm423]

I've been looking at getting a pair of 10" Altama Ripples, and I've heard good things about them. Stuff like how comfortable they are, and how well they handle rough terrain. But what i want to know is: Can I do D&C in them?

Most of my time on duty is spent on a hard, even surface, i.e., the drill-floor in an armory. Just looking at the sole, I'm thinking I'm going to execute a facing movement and wind up on my ass. Are the good for hard surfaces?

The boots I'm used to are the relatively flat lug-soled ICBs and Panama-soled jungle boots which are well suited for the garrison environment, but they beat the hell out of my feet in the field. I used to have a pair of Matterhorns, and while they were great cold weather boots, they were stiff even after years of wear and were just plain painful.

Can anyone help me out with this?

Hooah,

Dan

I always liked my Altama ripples. Good for the field and garrison. They are heavy, but comfy. I found that the sole did wear down pretty fast compared to other styles. I wore them for about a year right before tan boots were authorized to wear with BDUs. Since then, I've only worn Belleville 390s. They are the best boots I've ever had IMHO. I have like 3 pairs of them and a pair of the 790s. Don't think I would get a pair of tan ripples after wearing Belleville.

[Dan2004]

I always liked my Altama ripples. Good for the field and garrison. They are heavy, but comfy. I found that the sole did wear down pretty fast compared to other styles. I wore them for about a year right before tan boots were authorized to wear with BDUs. Since then, I've only worn Belleville 390s. They are the best boots I've ever had IMHO. I have like 3 pairs of them and a pair of the 790s. Don't think I would get a pair of tan ripples after wearing Belleville.

Thanks for the input. I've heard from alot of folks that the soles seem to wear down more quickly.

[MARINO]

I won't change my iturri's for nothing :lol:

[Ghostryder]

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3513/1139748334008dj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-08-15

Far left and second from right

[DnA]

The red boots are the issue Paratrooper boots. The other ones look like civvie hiking boots.

[JDBL14]

wow, thanks for that one...

[Kilo Golf]

The red boots are the issue Paratrooper boots. The other ones look like civvie hiking boots.

No sh!t! p-)

--KG

[davidtkl]

I think they are Israeli paratrooper boots ?

[zero]

where can we purchase this kind of boots online anyway?

[Hellfish]

where can we purchase this kind of boots online anyway?

You dug up a two year old thread to ask this?

Are they for airsofting?

[digrar]

They're **** and no one likes them.

[CPL]

I like their hats.

Yeah...looks cool..are they ostrich feathers on top of them..?

[zero]

You dug up a two year old thread to ask this?

Are they for airsofting?

well i was searching thru google and came to this. I didn't know this was a two year old tread.

[BillySing]

They're **** and no one likes them.

X2.

They last about as long as a weedy 13 year old airsofter who's just insulted Mike Tyson. Or Nikolai Valuev. or Both.

[digrar]

Yeah...looks cool..are they ostrich feathers on top of them..?

Emu plume. The origninal cavalry and light horseman blokes used to wear one they had pludcked from an emu on the run, on horseback. It was a sign of good horsemanship.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

http://www.blackhawk.com/images/catalog/83BT03_0BIG.JPG

http://www.blackhawk.com/product1.asp?P=83BT03&C=C0864

Blackhawk! Warrior Wear Black Ops Boots http://www.blackhawk.com/images/site/pd_underline.gif

Does anyone have any experience with them?
Thinking of it as my next boot...

[justuser]

I would like to get my hands on Garmont T8 all terrain, but have no idea where to find stone shop(in europe), because obviously I need to try the size first. I emailed to garmont couple times but that lazy bastards were not even able to answer:-) So I will stick to old good jungle boots

[silentsport]

only good things to tell about those blackhawk boots, waterproof and warm. I had a pair of oakleys for 2 years, they are good for running, but fell apart pretty bad.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

only good things to tell about those blackhawk boots, waterproof and warm. I had a pair of oakleys for 2 years, they are good for running, but fell apart pretty bad.

Are the materials used breathable enough? moisture wicking bla bla bla?

Cos I find after a while my current bates M8 seems to get less breathable over time...

Is it possible or advisable to actually wash the boot inside out?

[IanSolo]

http://www.frinchillucci.it/open2b/var/catalog/b/1827.jpg

Crispi mod. SWAT, confortable like slippers, I used also to 'jump'.




and these are the 'glorious' regular boots for paratrooper of Italian Army.......how many blisters to march with....

http://images.google.it/url?q=http://www.iltricolore.it/public/Anfibi_1.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGoBlsrnMfteCql2S6sjipxaxWLlg