Boots Boots Boots... 62 boot threads in one

[PJD]

I am new here, not interested in armchair soldier comments or any bs just valid opinions. Heading on a selection in a month and a bit, going to be doing a lot of humping, was wondering if anyone has had any experience with BlackHawks WarriorWear Black ops boot, or 5.11 Tactical HRT boot. Are either of these boots up to the job or should I be looking elsewhere, want a boot that can handle the weight and pounding whilst minimzing blisters and hot spots. Some help would be greatly appreciated.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

I am new here, not interested in armchair soldier comments or any bs just valid opinions. Heading on a selection in a month and a bit, going to be doing a lot of humping, was wondering if anyone has had any experience with BlackHawks WarriorWear Black ops boot, or 5.11 Tactical HRT boot. Are either of these boots up to the job or should I be looking elsewhere, want a boot that can handle the weight and pounding whilst minimzing blisters and hot spots. Some help would be greatly appreciated.


i HAve tried both before, but liked the blackhawk ones a lot better, they were MUCH MUCH MORE comfortable out of the box, the 511s were a little hard.

But long term use, I cannot give an opinion, and hoping to find one before i actually buy it :)

[mikec62001]

As you probably know during the Embassy Siege (Op Nimrod) the SAS had the choice between two types of boots.

Standard Northern Ireland/British Army boots or a softer sole boot (climbing type boots).

Does anyone know what type of boot they used..

I've noticed many of the abseilers wore the softer sole boots

Can anyone help

Cheers

[Sneeker]

that just might be the worst picture ever. Dose he even have boots on i cant tell, or are those ninja shoes?

[DeltaWhisky58]

mikec62001 - The topic of kit worn during the Iranian Embassy assult has been pretty well done to death both here and elsewhere over the years. There are plenty of wannabe books, website etc., on the topic out there.

[wild_wild_wes]

What boots are these?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/AyeGuy/afsofpcum144df.jpg

If these guys use them, they are prolly pretty good!

[scrybe]

Asolos:
http://www.asolo.com/content.asp?L=3&idMen=432
http://www.rei.com/product/667406

[Kilo Golf]

^^ they are good, but take a while to break in.

--KG

[Bricchetto]

Crispi mod. SWAT, confortable like slippers, I used also to 'jump'.


and these are the 'glorious' regular boots for paratrooper of Italian Army.......how many blisters to march with....



Crispi boots are very good stuff, as Jolly as well.


That's my italian paras boots, but I was a tankman, you can see it.... there was a lot of rain that night...

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/9093/img0073small0ww.jpg


My Chiruka:

http://tinypic.com/i50tb4.jpg


http://tinypic.com/i50tns.jpg


My Bates:


http://tinypic.com/i50u44.jpg


http://tinypic.com/i50uib.jpg

[RAPACE]

the amazon 5 from magnum hi-tec are very goods! nice color, confortable, strong for very intensive military use in desert area.

[PJD]

I put a post up in the boots thread but not much luck with quality responses, figured I would give this a try. I am heading on a selection next month, going to be doing a lot of humping with heavy loads. I have narrowed my boot selection down to three, Adidas GSG-9.2, 5.11 Tactical HRT, and Blackhawks Warriorwear black ops boot. My question is this, does anyone have any real experience (operational or domestic) with any of these three boots. I am particularly interested in how they do on prolonged patrols in rough terrain, secondly how the fit is? and are the sizes fairly accurate?

[Dispatcher]

Ive worn the adidas gsg type shoes for a while. Nice shoes for urban environment imho. Im not sure if they would do well in the terrain.

I have the 5.11's on backorder, i hope they arrive within two weeks. If this thread is still alive by then, ill let you know.

[James]

You might consider hiking or trekking boots if you've got long patrols planned. I would personally take regular combat boots over any of the choices you listed. My absolute number 1 choice would be Vasque Sundowner classics (if they're acceptable).

What's selection for? I'm not used to hearing about choices during these things.

[theholeinthedonut]

......1) going to be doing a lot of humping with heavy loads.................... 2)Adidas GSG-9.2, 5.11 Tactical HRT, and Blackhawks Warriorwear black ops boot...............3)prolonged patrols in rough terrain..............
Those three do definitely not fit together!!! Believe me!!! The boots you mention are either for urban environment with no yomping and no loads or for short patrol duty. If you are really going to do a lot of humping with a heavy pack you will be in a world of pain. James is right, get some good mountain or hiking boots...depending on the terrain you will be yomping.
If you tell us where you are, Asia, America or Europe we might be able to give you some help regarding the brand and type. Then be quick...80% of the people have to break their booots in...only one good way to do this: wear them!

[Jarhead]

donut is right...if you plan hiking a lot i would recommend you haix moutain boots, they are not pretty heavy and once you have walked a few miles with them they are comfortable like sneakers

[PJD]

Selection will be held part in California and part in Canada. I am an avid hiker and am well aware the benefits of a good hiker, I use Asolo and Salomon. I plan on trying my salomon's, but if the DS deem they are a no go, then I need a decent milspec black boot to fall back on. I have searched high and low for reviews on boots and come up with not much, I read reviews about people wearing boots in a ware house, or to the mall...you know as well as I do that is no good. So recommendations from guys who have field or operational experience would be helpful, I plan on buying a set online in the next few days.

[theholeinthedonut]

Try to get BW mountainboots...I think I read about people buying them in the states.

[silentsport]

I have used BW warrior wear boots for almost a year now, I have used them in southamerica (way too hot) and in europe, I like them since my knees dont hurt with a heavy load, but I have no idea how the others perform, and remember that they really get hot in high temperatures...

[Laconian]

I don't think the boots you listed would treat your feet well for long patrols and/or humping a large ruck. I have 5.11 and they are fine for garrison/urban ops but I would not choose them for field use. They are heavy, but Danner Acadias are a mil spec boot that could take the abuse you mention.

[cagey veteran]

I would go Danner Acadia..and you better start wearing them everyday, actually I am going to dig mine out, and start weraring them again!!
I have had mine for 10-11 years, had them resoled, woren them in desert tocanadian winter.weighted marches, and up to the top of africa...for me there is no other choice...but thats me, and the other guy...
good luck on selection...I hope you haven't said too much already.

[RAPACE]

try bates falcon, great boots for tactical use, but LRRP job prefere lowa combat or mountain boots

[James]

Selection will be held part in California and part in Canada. I am an avid hiker and am well aware the benefits of a good hiker, I use Asolo and Salomon. I plan on trying my salomon's, but if the DS deem they are a no go, then I need a decent milspec black boot to fall back on.

What kind of "selection" is this? You should get a packing list that tells you exactly what is and isn't allowed.

[Laworkerbee]

James,

Can you recommend me a boot for Costa Rica

[James]

James,

Can you recommend me a boot for Costa Rica

The whole time I was there I wore Teva sandals. ;)

[Laworkerbee]

Well we have some hiking planned around a volcano, I keep meaning to show you my itinerary which I'll send it via PM tonight.

Thanks for the earlier tips as well.

[James]

Well we have some hiking planned around a volcano, I keep meaning to show you my itinerary which I'll send it via PM tonight.

Thanks for the earlier tips as well.

Cool. I think any good sturdy boots that aren't too warm should do fine.

[baboon6]

James do you have a bigger version of your avatar?

[ZoneOne]

LaWorkerBee,

I'd suggest Keen's for a hiking shoe that is great to wear w/ shorts and even pants. It's not going to ride above the ankle like a boot, but they are great for hiking.

I've had a pair of Keens that I've wore all over the place while hiking/backpacking.

[LillaMy]

Forget the boots you mentioned and listen to the boys that advice you to get a proper sturdy boot that you can do a lot of humping with!

Boots is not easy, I would recommend that you find yourself a very knowledgeable dealer in you area and try out a boot that will fit your feet. All feets are different and you can not decide from a catalog or internet site, you've got to try them out in a proper way!

I can recommend you the get some good inlay sole like: http://www.superfeet.com/

The socks you use is also equally important, I would recommend high quality wool socks with no seams..

If I where to recommend a boot then it would be "Meindl Performance" but you got to really try it out!!

Walk ****loads of miles before boot camp, that is not the place to start wearing in new boots..

Last but not least...don't tie you boots to tight and don't wrap the shoelace around your wrist, if you do your achilles tendon will most likely get inflamed.

[RAPACE]

nice message, it's true ! i use sorbothane insoles and talc (US version is very good to prepare the feet to walk)and socks from "1000 miles".
confortable two socks in one;good against burns.

[Pete031]

Try Lowa. Great all around boots.

[Split-50]

I have the 5.11 HRT Urban(black). I wore them for 8 months in city streets environment... They were ok... not good, definitely not great, just ok. I had to change the insoles right off for arch support and cushion. I'm in New England and the soles sucked in the winter... they use some type of rubber that gets very hard and slick when cold I wasn't inmpressed. They are certainly not worth $150 that i paid. I am fairly confident in saying YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY NOT TAKE THESE OFF ROADING OR ON A RUCK MARCH.... They're just not built well enough

Go with DANNER... you'll never go wrong. I just looked at the new Danner Desert Eagles... they are pretty sweet!

I wear Oakley shorty boots in summer and Danner Ft.Lewis in winter.

[Laworkerbee]

Thanks ZoneOne

I will check them out

[James]

James do you have a bigger version of your avatar?

Sorry - I do not.

[Irish]

I would go Danner Acadia..and you better start wearing them everyday, actually I am going to dig mine out, and start weraring them again!!
I have had mine for 10-11 years, had them resoled, woren them in desert tocanadian winter.weighted marches, and up to the top of africa...for me there is no other choice...but thats me, and the other guy...
good luck on selection...I hope you haven't said too much already.



took the words outta my Mouth..Danner..!!!

Them Go-Faster Boots (GSG9-5-11) are only suitable for urban..You asked for advice and your getting it...I'd go with Danner..

[Catch22]

What about those Haix you got issued Irish? Dissapointment?

[Irish]

What about those Haix you got issued Irish? Dissapointment?


Nope..I love my Haix, best Issue boot I've ever Worn..I recommended Danner as I am unaware if HAIX are available in the US.

I have Rock climbed in the HAIX and in wet conditions..nothing but good to say about them boots.

[scrybe]

I've gone through three pairs of Danners. Love 'em.

[PJD]

First off, thanks for all the replies and advice. What I am not is a new guy, attending a boot camp. Socks, insoles, powder your feet before walking, break your boots in etc...although thoughtful advice, with no doubt best intentions, its not required. I don't want anyone to get upset or take anything the wrong way. There is no where decent around here where I can purchase mil spec black boots. Like I said before I am going up there with both my Asolo's and Salomon hikers but if for some reason I get denied I want something I can fall back on. Its not a boot for strictly humping, I need something that can handle weighted marches, plus running with kit, fast rope, CQB etc. I give it to the end of the week and although it sucks I will have to purchase something online. Thems the breaks.

[LRPV]

So what are you up to these days? I'm intrigued at your selection course, is it military? Forestry? (jumpers) Across to Canada as well? Seems like the topography could be interesting.

[Pete031]

why not wear your issued boots then.

[zonk]

which selection is this.......

my bellevilles have held up well in terrain like fort hood and fort bragg, with little trouble and still remain quite comfortable. i would make sure that whatever boot it is leaves enough room for your feet to swell a little also from the hiking. I know i will probably catch **** for saying issued bullevilles, but to me they have worked out quite well and i would recommend them to anyone

[LRPV]

You might want to look at suitable pants...


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=120810

[James]

I'm curious too - What kind of selection is this? Why don't you have a packing list? If you were at a military base, you wouldn't have to order milspec boots on the internet either... hmm...

[James]

which selection is this.......

my bellevilles have held up well in terrain like fort hood and fort bragg, with little trouble and still remain quite comfortable. i would make sure that whatever boot it is leaves enough room for your feet to swell a little also from the hiking. I know i will probably catch **** for saying issued bullevilles, but to me they have worked out quite well and i would recommend them to anyone

X2 - I have a pair of Bellevilles, and they're the cat's pajamas. Very comfortable.

[Cipher]

I looked at the Adidas site and they don't have the boot in tan.

I was looking for a new pair of boots, too. :-(

[LRPV]

All we need now is a "Req: Best all environment cam shirt" thread and we'll have a matching set....pants, boots, shirt.:)

[James]

I'm very suspicious...

[Pete031]

Hardcore Airsoft team selection process? Stuff just doesn't add up.

[PJD]

actually its a paintball team tryout, I am fat and useless....if I pass this then I will be a 10 level dungeon master and can go on to become master of the military internet chat forums.

[cagey veteran]

maybe you should roll them 14 sided dice on a pair of boots superstar...lol
I'll have my man figure out who you are. selection in heat, at altitude..i got your number

[PJD]

this is proving to be quite useless as i suspected. Good luck to everyone in your careers and future endeavours, I am sure you are all well on your way. To the arm chair operators, forums are a great place to hide.... but who are you hiding from? probably yourself. Take that for what its worth, I have better things to do with my time then try and justify myself through a ****ing computer screen.

[Irish]

this is proving to be quite useless as i suspected. Good luck to everyone in your careers and future endeavours, I am sure you are all well on your way. To the arm chair operators, forums are a great place to hide.... but who are you hiding from? probably yourself. Take that for what its worth, I have better things to do with my time then try and justify myself through a ****ing computer screen.


You asked for advice and got some from BTDTs..Nice move fella!!!

[DeltaWhisky58]

PJD, make sure you don't catch your backside in the door as it slams closed behind you as you are ejected!

:bash:

[Mundzos]

Does Anyone have any experience with these boots...I am looking for new hunting boots and I am not sure if I should buy those military ones. It gets pretty cold around here and I am not sure if they will keep my feet warm...

Thanks a lot.....

[USMC Tanker]

I'm not a big fan of the Bates boots.

I prefer Bellevilles.

[Mundzos]

I'm not a big fan of the Bates boots.

I prefer Bellevilles.


I found a really good deal on them, so if I can use them for hunting I would not mind paying $20 for it.....I just don't want to freeze my feet while hunting....

[wayneard3413]

+1 on the Bellevilles

But if they are only $20 pick em up... I have used my summer boots in the dead of winter since they are more comfortable and just wore some insulated socks

[Bachelor]

Go to:
http://quanticoboot.com/qb/default.aspx

I prefe MATTERHORN with Thinsulate like:
http://www.shoestoboot.com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=430&Category=162

http://www.shoestoboot.com/images/cove/matterhorn/1996_8_9_2005_m.jpg

[Ol' Bob]

I've worn bates for a while now and I hate them to death, I'm crediting them with the broken foot I'm currently sporting. I'm picking up a pair of Danners next week as soon as my swollen foot shrinks back down. If your just hunting in them then they might be alright though.

[JC0352]

I'd say Matterhorns, Danners or Bellevilles are all better than Bates.
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/improvements/media/boot_full.jpg
Marine Corps Insulated Bellvilles

[USMC Tanker]

Danners are awesome but expensive.

[Ol' Bob]

I'd say Matterhorns, Danners or Bellevilles are all better than Bates.
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/improvements/media/boot_full.jpg
Marine Corps Insulated Bellvilles

Got any idea where I could order a pair of these? Are they too insulated for Iraq? I was about to buy some danner jungle boots yesterday, but held off. Do they come in a jungle version or just ICB style?

[USMC Tanker]

Danner has hot weather boots with the ventilation holes.

[Albatross]

bates makes crap boots, get some matterhorns or danners.

[FROGFOOT-MKDN]

Mundzos, since you look like you are in Bosnia, check out Alpina and Planika, both made in Slovenia. Here in Macedonia you can get good pair of Alpina boots starting with 72 Euro(100 $) and going as high as 165 Euro(230 $) for highest quality Planika boots.

[FROGFOOT-MKDN]

Alpina, Slovenia

www.alpina.si

[Mundzos]

Mundzos, since you look like you are in Bosnia, check out Alpina and Planika, both made in Slovenia. Here in Macedonia you can get good pair of Alpina boots starting with 72 Euro(100 $) and going as high as 165 Euro(230 $) for highest quality Planika boots.


I've heard that those are good, unfortunatelly, I don't live in Bosnia anymore....and I will not visit Balkans in next few years....unless of course another war erupts....p-)

[FROGFOOT-MKDN]

Picked up last issue catalog of Alpina boots yesterday, really nice.

[FROGFOOT-MKDN]

ALPINA SPORT CORP.
P.O. BOX 23
HANOVER, N.H. 03755 USA
tel.: +1 603 448 3101
fax.: +1 603 448 1586
e-mail: info@alpinasports.com
www.alpinasports.com

[Clegg]

Allright so here's the deal, I'm going to FDF (Nylands brigad, KJK) in the January contingent of 2008. In the information booklet I got they mention a bunch of items I need to bring, shaving gear, et.c. and some kind of rubber bands to blouse the trousers inside your boots with, exactly what is this?

[Sparky2129]

Possibly a different thing where you come from but in the Marine Corps we use these.
http://www.slygear.com/bootbands.html
Never messed with the velcro ones, just the elastic OD green ones

[LaoSexMachine]

Yep, boot bands. It works.

[NavyTimes]

Why in the world do you need to bring your own bands??? Surely there must be a kiosk or shop in the camp where you can get them, if you dont get some along with the rest of your kit?

/baffled

[Clegg]

Why in the world do you need to bring your own bands??? Surely there must be a kiosk or shop in the camp where you can get them, if you dont get some along with the rest of your kit?

/baffled

Asked myself that too but it was right next to 'social security card and identification card' in the 'IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT YOU BRING THESE ITEMS" -list. : D

[NavyTimes]

Good thing you have the experts to ask then. :) Good luck!


Edit:
Maybe this is some weird sort of test of the recruits initiative? lol

[Kilo Golf]

Rubber-bands work just as well, or you could just tuck your pants into your boots.

--KG

[Beowulf]

Rubber-bands work just as well, or you could just tuck your pants into your boots.

--KG

Yeah, I've always just tucked my pants in. People look at me like I have a **** growing out of my face, but whatever.

[NavyTimes]

I always just used a normal broad rubber band myself. Though that velcro thingy looked sort of handy.

[Anthony91]

Yeah, I've always just tucked my pants in. People look at me like I have a **** growing out of my face, but whatever.

I tried that with my SgtMaj...and I ended up doing 30 right on the spot. Of course...this is just in JROTC.

TIP: Just blouse your boots...it just looks more professional.

[Beowulf]

I tried that with my SgtMaj...and I ended up doing 30 right on the spot. Of course...this is just in JROTC.

TIP: Just blouse your boots...it just looks more professional.

hmmmm You're right, I look like ass. I'll be sure to square myself away from now on.

My right shoulder was a little heavy, and distracted me from my appearance...

[Anthony91]

hmmmm You're right, I look like ass. I'll be sure to square myself away from now on.

My right shoulder was a little heavy, and distracted me from my appearance...

I was telling the newbie who was asking the question, but alright.

[Beowulf]

I was telling the newbie who was asking the question, but alright.

Aren't there some oppressed ding-dongs that you need to liberate?

I'm gonna put an AR 600-9 filter on your Call of Duty game.....

You're on word ration.

[James]

I tried that with my SgtMaj...and I ended up doing 30 right on the spot. Of course...this is just in JROTC.

TIP: Just blouse your boots...it just looks more professional.

Wow. Just wow. :cantbeli:

[James]

Aren't there some oppressed ding-dongs that you need to liberate?

I'm gonna put an AR 600-9 filter on your Call of Duty game.....

You're on word ration.

roflroflrofl

[wayneard3413]

See the longer this thread got the chances of someone saying something dumb as hell just kept rising

[wayneard3413]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t37/wayneard3413/situational.jpg

[Hollis]

LOL, great comments.

BTW I was amazed to see those blousing bands still around. We also had some metal spring type that were as uncomfortable as hell.

[Laconian]

I tried that with my SgtMaj...and I ended up doing 30 right on the spot. Of course...this is just in JROTC.

TIP: Just blouse your boots...it just looks more professional.

I'm speechless...No, wait, I'm not. Are you f*ckin' kidding me? Punch yourself in the throat...Repeatedly.

[wayneard3413]

Run kid run... Your getting surrounded

[Sloppy Joe2]

I was telling the newbie who was asking the question, but alright. lean to the left a little for me

[California Joe]

I............I got nothin'.

[wayneard3413]

I............I got nothin'.

Now i find that very hard to believe lol

[Sloppy Joe2]

I............I got nothin'.baby got back, thats what you got ;)

[Hollis]

I............I got nothin'.


Baby Jesus is gonna cry for sure now.

[p2pPower]

Allright so here's the deal, I'm going to FDF (Nylands brigad, KJK) in the January contingent of 2008. In the information booklet I got they mention a bunch of items I need to bring, shaving gear, et.c. and some kind of rubber bands to blouse the trousers inside your boots with, exactly what is this?

Well I dont know how its in Nyland but we in North-Karelia got everything from army, shaving gear, etc. included. And got bands from army too though u can buy better ones like http://www.slygear.com/bootbands.html from cantina. Only thing what I actualy took with me then was own underwear cause armys underwears will scrats your ass off:P and thats not nice feeling:D but rubberbands and things I dont think that u need to stress about those. If u smoke take alot smokes with u:D and remeber those underwear thats pretty much all what u need to consern:D

[Clegg]

Well I dont know how its in Nyland but we in North-Karelia got everything from army, shaving gear, etc. included. And got bands from army too though u can buy better ones like http://www.slygear.com/bootbands.html from cantina. Only thing what I actualy took with me then was own underwear cause armys underwears will scrats your ass off:P and thats not nice feeling:D but rubberbands and things I dont think that u need to stress about those. If u smoke take alot smokes with u:D and remeber those underwear thats pretty much all what u need to consern:D


Thanks for your advice on the underwear and yeah i'm planning on buying ****loads of cigarettes.

[Jurpula]

Bring your own underwear and SOCKS! Back when I served the socks were just plain horrible.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Yeah, I've always just tucked my pants in. People look at me like I have a **** growing out of my face, but whatever.

I tried that with my SgtMaj...and I ended up doing 30 right on the spot. Of course...this is just in JROTC.

TIP: Just blouse your boots...it just looks more professional.


Well Anthony - I've seen you post some ****e on this board, and you assured me the other day that you'd matured a lot over the past three months, but this is one the most asine ****ing posts I've ever seen.

Do you realise who you've just patronised - you arrogant little cnut!

Situational awareness:

Yes [ ]
No [ ]
No Hope whatsoever [X]

[Johnny_H02]

I tried that with my SgtMaj...and I ended up doing 30 right on the spot. Of course...this is just in JROTC.

TIP: Just blouse your boots...it just looks more professional.

DAOTW Material???

Just sayin...

[Lazarou]

In the information booklet I got they mention a bunch of items I need to bring, shaving gear, et.c. and some kind of rubber bands to blouse the trousers inside your boots with, exactly what is this?
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5241/sarmaritke6.jpg
Särmäri

You can buy boot bands from the garrison's canteen (Sotilaskoti), they cost about 2€/pair. And don't worry, you'll have plenty of time to buy them. p-)

[DeltaWhisky58]

DAOTW Material???

Just sayin...

Nah, he gets his own special award for that nugget of posting awareness!

[Johnny_H02]

Nah, he gets his own special award for that nugget of posting awareness!

That wouldn't include any of the following would it?


1 wet sock fastened securely in the mouth
1 Blindfold over the eyes
1 Bucket of cold water to be poured at a moments notice
2 sets of plastic flex cuffs to bind both feet and hands

[James]

I KNOW someone somewhere saved the picture of Anthony AKA A-Dawg aka Starfox Kid that he posted a couple of years ago...

[DeltaWhisky58]

Is that the same hardened veteran Starfox Kid who always blouses his pants over his boots and advises on Army procedures to MP.Net moderators perchance?

The very same SFK who claims to have matured greatly whilst he was away from us?

Surely not ... ... ... ? :roll:

[Hutz]

I KNOW someone somewhere saved the picture of Anthony AKA A-Dawg aka Starfox Kid that he posted a couple of years ago...

Probably the wrong one, but my fav for sure.

Okay, okay, the guy deserves some razzing, but he doesn't need abuse.

[LRPV]

I'm scarred....

[Andreas]

I realy enjoy this thread...

[Jarhead]

Is that the same hardened veteran Starfox Kid who always blouses his pants over his boots and advises on Army procedures to MP.Net moderators perchance?

The very same SFK who claims to have matured greatly whilst he was away from us?

Surely not ... ... ... ? :roll:
Naw Delta, its Tony himself, I´m sure you didn´t recognized him because he´s a real man now
Look closer;)

[tyovan]

Is anyone else wondering if Anthony could do those 30 push-ups??

[Jarhead]

Is anyone else wondering if Anthony could do those 30 push-ups??
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6389/050923man3wv.jpg
Yes, he can

[p2pPower]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6389/050923man3wv.jpg
Yes, he can
WTF! that has to be DDR woman gymnastp-) "I havent took anything, this is fully natural muscle"rofl

[UKWolf]

I've been told (and seen for myself) that these boots are what Lowas are based on, so they have to be pretty good, from the press Lowa boots get. I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience of the boots and what they are like.

Many tas!

Wolf

[Frank the soldier]

LOWA Shoes / Boots....yeeahh. Great ! ! !

[Rekka]

I've been told (and seen for myself) that these boots are what Lowas are based on, so they have to be pretty good, from the press Lowa boots get. I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience of the boots and what they are like.

Many tas!

Wolf

I haven't got any experience with their BW mountain boots, but owning a pair of Lowa Saphir's and a pair of Lowa Combat boots GTX and i swear by them.

They fit perfect from the moment you step into them and they don't need any breaking in at all.

I've owned Meindl's in the past but they're more for a wider foot and when i switched to the Lowa's i found the fit and the support when you walk just a bit better then with the Meindl's.

Altho not cheap they're definately worth every cent.

[TallGuy]

I've got the BW Mountain boots and they're great. They might be a little stiff at first but after wearing them for a day or two they'll soften up. I haven't got a single blister wearing them. There are a few military contractors that make the boot e.g. Haix or Lowa. My boots are Haix. If you decide to get a pair, get them one size larger so you can wear thick socks.

I got them from Recon Company:

http://www.recon-company.com/Bergschuh_Original_nach_TL_der_Bundeswehr_mit_GORE_TEX_Futter_-821-728-d.html

[Andreas]

dident soemone post a funny pic of anthony here a couple of hours ago?

[Sloppy Joe2]

dident soemone post a funny pic of anthony here a couple of hours ago?it was in invite only

[Irish]

hmmmm You're right, I look like ass. I'll be sure to square myself away from now on.

My right shoulder was a little heavy, and distracted me from my appearance...


ROTFLMAO!!

[tyovan]

it was in invite only

Ive yet to ever get invited.. Can anyone here get me in?
:(

[Sloppy Joe2]

Ive yet to ever get invited.. Can anyone here get me in?
:(you can still look in the there, and if you look at the invite only rules, you cant ask to be invited.

[Jippo]

Allright so here's the deal, I'm going to FDF (Nylands brigad, KJK) in the January contingent of 2008. In the information booklet I got they mention a bunch of items I need to bring, shaving gear, et.c. and some kind of rubber bands to blouse the trousers inside your boots with, exactly what is this?

Take a half a meter of thinnest elastic waist band from your mothers sewing kit. If you want to be hip take black, not white. :) If you want to do it at home tie a ring that fits your upper ancle, cut the excess of, repeat process for the other leg. Make it fit, but not too tight or it'll hurt after some hours. The idea is that you roll the the pants between your leg and the band where the boot ends so it looks nice & fluffy.

Thats what I used for the whole time, no need to spend even two euros.

[Kap]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5241/sarmaritke6.jpg
Särmäri

You can buy boot bands from the garrison's canteen (Sotilaskoti), they cost about 2€/pair. And don't worry, you'll have plenty of time to buy them. p-)


2€/pair????????? WTF your country actually makes you pay 2 euro for a pair of blousers? They cost like 25 cents here which is equal to 16 euro cents. :|:|

[Irish]

Two Rubber Bands work just as well..........:)

[Jarhead]

Mine are from HAIX and they are the best boots I have ever owned

[Blumenteufel]

I spent four years in the Mountain Infantry and went through some pairs of them. HAIX is a, in my opinion, not so good subcontractor of LOWA.

If you can, get a pair made by LOWA, I think the first to produce these shoes were MEINDL ( = best ) until the army went from one cheaper producer to the next with the same model.

A good shoe nevertheless!

[Jarhead]

Where were you serving Teufel
233?

[SARGE!!!!]

I got a pair of these about 3 years ago. Can't fault them, they're brilliant. They have saved my feet on Dartmoor and many other tabs throughout England.Something about warm dry feet that make me smile.
Be aware, Webtex do a copy which are nowhere near as good(In my opinion)

[Billy No Mates]

Be aware, Webtex do a copy which are nowhere near as good(In my opinion)

If your refering to what Webtex call the Pro XT boot i would agree,the interior membrane never sat very well in mine and they were just never as comfortable as the surplus LOWA pair i had before .

[Blumenteufel]

Where were you serving Teufel
233?

3./231 from 2001 to 2003 and 3./232 Sniper Ptn from 2003 to 2005

Where are you serving, Wachbattaillon I guess :]


Cheers,

Bleamedeif

[Jarhead]

Not bad Teufel
I´m not in the Wachbattalion
Infantry my friend... Jägertruppep-)p-)
But now I´m doin reserve...Pz.Gren.Bat. 391 got my Beorderung last Week
Déhre

[JC0352]

Got any idea where I could order a pair of these? Are they too insulated for Iraq? I was about to buy some danner jungle boots yesterday, but held off. Do they come in a jungle version or just ICB style?

Ol' Bob,
Sorry, I just saw this. You should be able to find these at cash sales or the PX (on Mainside). I don't know where cash sales is located at Lejeune. They're great in the sand box like when it gets really cold December-February (at least in Ramadi). I had these and some of the hot-weather Bellevilles which had Gore-tex but they also had the drainage holes and were fine in hot weather (pictured).
http://belleville-boots.com/16.jpg
What did they issue to you at MCRD?

[JC0352]

don't forget your dogtag in the left boot there killer :)

[YoungGun]

Hi,

I served with the last tank bataillon of the former 1. Gebirgsdivision. I purchased the original mountain boots myself an they are still great! The original ones have just one flaw: The soles are very slippery one ice and snow, so you'd better stick to LOWA or Meindl. They've got a different sole and are thus the best alternative.

Besides that, those boots are really the best I've ever had!

Yours,
YoungGun (not so young anymore, as some may guess...p-))

@ Jarhead: About time a real Jäger shows the Grenis how work is done!!! ;-)

[Laworkerbee]

This thread has delivered like no other.

[boone]

This thread has delivered like no other.
Ha Ha! You found itwoot

[Dan2004]

Two Rubber Bands work just as well..........:)

...........Or two of your girlfriend's hairbands. You know, if you spent the night and are late for drill. Improvise, adapt and overcome...

[Sand Man]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6389/050923man3wv.jpg
Yes, he can

Those are tumors!

[Jarhead]

@ Jarhead: About time a real Jäger shows the Grenis how work is done!!! ;-)
I´ll do my best SIR;)

[YoungGun]

I´ll do my best SIR;)

No need to be formal: I served 10 months and made it to Hauptgefreiter after 9 months.

Being in the reserve I had some unpleasant experiences with the Grennies...

[StuRat]

2€/pair????????? WTF your country actually makes you pay 2 euro for a pair of blousers? They cost like 25 cents here which is equal to 16 euro cents. :|:|

Looks like we have it cheap in Australia, the bands are sewn into the hem of the trousers with a toggle to tighten it :)

[Sneeker]

update.
I bought the Acadia's and I love them! Ive hade them for almost 2 years now and they are the best boot ive ever owned. Im on my second pair of soles and the lether and everything else is still going strong. Only thing ive had go wrong with them is i had to re-stich a small section of the boot.

[Kartoon]

Yeah, I've always just tucked my pants in. People look at me like I have a **** growing out of my face, but whatever.

I never accepted tucking pants into boots and I would give the new recruits hell for that(not nearly the stupidest reason to, there were plenty of other excuses competeing for that title). It looked stupid, and the bands cost 1,20 € at the nearby cafe/shop at our garrison, so not affording them was no excuse.
Altho I never understood why they weren't issued but had to be purchased separately. After all we all got a shaving kit worth 17 € on our first day so...

[UKWolf]

The one problem with rubber bands are the thickness/quality. I've seen cadets on parade with their trousers nicley done with bands. Then they make a single right turn, band snaps, cue one stupid-looking trouser hem.

One thing you could do is bulk buy a load, and sell them off to other recruits for profit. from what I've heard, you can make quite a turnover. (Friend of mine, currently in the TA, did the same and made himself £50)

[Adam Wilhelm]

http://pvtmurphy.com/strips/commission/CSM-Ron.jpg

[wayneard3413]

I never accepted tucking pants into boots and I would give the new recruits hell for that(not nearly the stupidest reason to, there were plenty of other excuses competeing for that title). It looked stupid, and the bands cost 1,20 € at the nearby cafe/shop at our garrison, so not affording them was no excuse.
Altho I never understood why they weren't issued but had to be purchased separately. After all we all got a shaving kit worth 17 € on our first day so...

Wow did you entirely miss the reason why this thread is so damn long to begin with?

[JC0352]

X2 I think all points about boot bands have been made and this thing needs to end, unless it gets really funny again

[wayneard3413]

Well after Kartoons little statement there it might just happen

[Hollis]

I don't think he truly understood what band they were asking for:

http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/products.asp?CID=2&area=cattle&dept_id=492

He'll be safe to date any one's daughter after training.

[wayneard3413]

Sh!t hollis... everyone was having a good day then you had to come drop something like that on us... Thanks man

[Hollis]

Sh!t hollis... everyone was having a good day then you had to come drop something like that on us... Thanks man


I am a dad, so I think you can understand. It is not that I don't enjoy shooting my 12 gauge, cleaning it gets tiresome. This seems like a great alternative.

[Adam Wilhelm]

HOLLis... the party crasher. rofl

[wayneard3413]

Haha gotcha.... Although a $10 boresnake would help save some time and not give me so many nightmares

[Kartoon]

Wow did you entirely miss the reason why this thread is so damn long to begin with?

Well tell me why it shouldn't be so long? If this little thread has less right to grow up than all the other threads then where is the equality? :hug:

But seriously tho, I might have misjudged the need for another post in this topic, but in the sence of everything else here being merely pointless load of rat s**t I think you're missing the point of public forums. Isn't 90 % of posts made here a total waste of time, effort and web space? :cantbeli:

And I say this in all positiveness, I don't mean to offend you the least bit.

Thank you and forgive me woot

[Kartoon]

I don't think he truly understood what band they were asking for:

http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/products.asp?CID=2&area=cattle&dept_id=492

He'll be safe to date any one's daughter after training.

I'll look into that, do they make these for larger "equipment" also?

:cantbeli:

[wayneard3413]

I was referring you your post where you said that people who dont use blousing bands look stupid and there is no excuse not to... If you go back a few pages you will find a certain young man you felt it looked "unprofessional"... You might want to take a look and see what that got him

[Jippo]

Lousiest reason to give **** to anyone anyway. :) If a soldier looks ok, I don't mind if he uses dried camel dung to keep the appearance. There is no need to use blousers, they just make life that much easier as they are quick to use.

[Kartoon]

Well I wouldn't even try to suggest I'm in a place where I could make such a statement. How your pants look don't really matter on the field.
It's hard for me to explain what I want to say really. Although I've had military training, it's hard to remain politically correct because my training never aimed into shipping me to a real operation. For you it's a different story.
When I was in the military sadly 60 % of our time was a total waste, where our mere purpose was to make the life as hard as possible for our new recruits or NCO students. Bitching about pants not being properly bloused was what we did, among other stupid stuff that has pretty much nothing to do with being "a real soldier".

We discussed this in another thread, you and me, wayneard, and you convinced me I should concider myself a soldier. And that it had nothing to do with having seen combat or not, but rather the mentality. Now you're doing just the opposite by misinterpreting my posts.

[Hollis]

Kartoon, in a way we have two militarys. Garrison Soldiers and Combat soldiers, so to speak.


Garrison is all about neat, straight, starched, polished, attention, saluting, parading etc.

Combat is about living, trying to stay alive and completing the mission.

If it worked and you needed it, yes, otherwise it never happened. If it was one more thing you did not have to carry, you did not carry it.

At least from my view. I was a Bush Marine.

[wayneard3413]

Hey man i im no way trying to degrade what you have done or are willing to do... All im saying is that word to the wise you might want to watch how you word things

[Kartoon]

Yes, I understand that, and that's why I don't think it should be concidered disrispectful to say e.g that unbloused pants look bad or "unprofessional" as mentioned. Isn't it clear that it is said garrison in mind. :)

And wayneard, I hear you. But as I said, it's sometimes hard to stay politically correct, although my intentions are good. It's hard to see all things from another view. A view, that has survival as the first priority.

[Laconian]

Hey, you like blousing bands/rubbers, etc. good for you. I hated them and tucked my trousers into my boots. I only used them to wrap my poncho onto my LBE. Even now, if I have to gear up, I blouse my boots by tucking them in. The guys that used to get dinged for tucking their boots were the guys that pulled them super tight, like leggings around their calves. They called that "GWs" then and they set the Top off like a rabid pit bull on ribeye whenever he saw it.

[dkgenerallee]

Ive read some very good reviews on these, and they are made under corcoran and matterhorn. So im wondering are they the same quality as the matterhorn boots? If anyone has owned a pair please let me know.

here is a link to the boots im talking about.. http://armynavy.ws/bknight.htm

From the site above these are $148, but from uscav.com they are $160 and $184 from another site.

[dkgenerallee]

http://armynavy.ws/bknightboot32.jpg

[ADK031]

They look almost exactly like the Danner Acadia, except this company's "version" has more Thinsulate, 400 more grams, but no Gore-Tex so that would explain most of why this model is cheaper. That and this boot's stitching looks a bit less than Danner's. Same sole so I would guess it's re-soleable as well.

[dkgenerallee]

Well, I know Danners are top of the line and these are only 50 dollars less. So the quality shouldnt be too much of a difference right?

also i have a pair of bates tan warrior leather boots, and some of the stiching came loose near the toe cap, after only 2 trips to the woods and wearing them for about 3 weeks. What factors can lead to the stiching coming undone? i.e. (poor quality, type of material, quantanty of stiches?)

In addition im not going to use these for trainin, hunting... I just love combat boots and im just buying these simply to have a good pair of cold weather combat boots.

[dkgenerallee]

As far as the difference of stiching between these and the arcadia's, i cant really tell the difference in the amount.

Are there more stiches per in., or more reinforcing stiches?

[ADK031]

Well if the Danners are only $50 more in your neck of the woods I would buy them, but that's me. I'm afraid of change when what I know works. Danner has been very friendly to my feet (Ft. Lewis model) for 2 pairs worth. The stitching actually looks to be the same upon closer inspection.

[dkgenerallee]

http://armynavysuperstores.com/1996.jpg
I was also thinking about these matterhorns.. http://armynavysuperstores.com/matt1996.htm

They are almost the same, but they have water resistant leather and a gore tex bootie. Im not really looking for the most expensive boot, just a good warm(and dry) long lasting boot. And ive also heard good things about matterhorn. These also have the vibram sierra sole which i hear is pretty good in snow and shedding mud.

[ADK031]

I believe that Matterhorns are on a par with Danner, in fact I think they were around before Danner. If your feet sweat alot like mine do, you should probably stay away from anything with more than 200 grams of Thinsulate for Fall, Spring, Winter.

[dkgenerallee]

Ok, i believe the matterhorns are the ones i will get. The ones shown they offer in 200 gram thinsulate. If they are on par with danner then they should be great.

Thanks for the advice adk031 it helped alot.

[dkgenerallee]

I have a pair of model 1996 matterhorns on the way, and ive read every review i could find on pretty much all the matterhorn combat boots. I didnt see one bad review. Take a look at the ones on this page at uscav.com they are for the usmc model you are talking about.

http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=5556&TabID=1

Matterhorn is a high quality company, and is top of the line quality. The only thing better is maybe danner. If you want a good set of insoles check these danner fatigue fighters out they are great.

http://www.danner.com/category/accessories/airthotics-footbeds.do

hope that helps

[digrar]

Next week will make it a year since he last logged in, but I think he'll find that information very helpful, cheers...

[8thidpathfinderpower]

I do not know if Ft. Drum still issues Matterhorns, but whenI got my first pair in 1991, I found them to be great boots. But, they are not made for hot weather.

[seraosha]

Since we are necroing...

I wore my mattys while in Haiti and in the field in Louisiana...sure, they are cold weather boots, but the gortex shell breathes just fine, and if you like dry feet (and if you saw what was in the gutters in Port au Prince you would too), they are pretty hard to beat.

Close to 13 years now, and they are still doing great. Best spent money on my feet yet.

[JC0352]

That's what I had issued to me at MCRD San Diego in '99 and I thought they were great!

[Dragonscript]

I still have mine from the original issue in 98 and they are great boots except for the tread & insoles. The tread pattern just sucks when it comes to ice, i slipped in them more often than i did in jungles, so just replace the tread and put good insoles in them and they feel just like sneakers.

[Ashen]

I got a pair of Lowa boots for an early Christmas present, specifically, these ones.

http://www.rvops.co.uk/military-footwear-87/lowa-boots-84/gore-tex-lined-lowa-combat-boots-507.html

Now, normally I take a UK 9.5 size. However, when I try these boots on, they feel fine when I stand still, but as I start running my feet slide forward and rub on the front of the boot. It's not painful, but not particularly comfortable either, and just doesn't feel right.

Is this normal? Is it because they are new, or need to be broken in properly? Or is it recommended to get the next size up with Lowa boots?

Thanks for your time.

[Dragonscript]

When it come to boots i always like to get the next size larger, verus what i get for running shoes. The reason for this is so that i can wear two layers of socks and most boots don't come in extra-wide. Also, while i don't have these exact same boots, i do have something similiar and like all boots you just need to break them in to get that comforable feel to them.

Try on the next size larger, if you can, and see how that works.

[Ashen]

Thankyou. I wasn't sure about breaking them in, as a friend of mine has these boots too and he said that he didn't have to break them in. I'll swap them for a ten and see how that goes.

Edit: OK, just followed my dad's advice and tried them with a thinner pair of socks. They feel much better now, so I guess the answer is not to use British Army issue socks. Anyone suggest any thinner pairs that'll do the job?

[nickless]

Just get them in the right size. If you can't wear thicker socks in military or trecking boots, you don't have the right size, it's that simple. ;)

[Ashen]

Fair enough.

[lt tahoe]

I don't think thinner socks is the answer--your boots should fit your socks. Try the next size up.

[wotsnext]

Dont get them too big.....All footwear needs to be broken-in to some extent, Shoes only ever get bigger..not smaller, Your heel needs to to be held back by secure laceing, A shoe that is 2 sizes to big will still hurt your toe if it is too loose................Trust me I have sold 1000s of pairs of shoes over the years.

[Ashen]

Thanks for all your help...guess this is what I deserve for buying an item of clothing off of the net, huh? Never again!

[wotsnext]

Thanks for all your help...guess this is what I deserve for buying an item of clothing off of the net, huh? Never again!
Well as long as they prove o/k you could reorder with confidence, So much stuff is now made in the far east and the sizing is very unreliable.

[Dragonscript]

A good sock combo is to wear wool socks over a polypropylene sock liner, taht way your feet are dry and warm. I have immersed by entire boot into freezing water and in five minutes my foot felt dry again. The rest of me felt like **** but my feet were dry.

[James]

I swear by Smartwool socks. That's all I wear now. They're spendy, but you won't regret them.

[James K]

Lowas tend to run a half size smaller than normal , this was the case when i got my desert seekers

[Chet]

I customize 1/6 scale figures and I got a small set of questions for all tankers around the world:

What kind of boots do AFV/tanker crew members wear in your respective military? I know that at one time the US Army had tanker specific boots, wasn't sure if they still wear them.

Do you wear BDU when you are not in your vehicle or is the coverall your uniform?

I saw the thread on the CVC helmet issue, do you guys wear regular helmets when you are dismounted? I noticed that the new ACH MICH TC-2002 has an option to be used as a CVC, is that a helmet that you might wear?

What kind of vest/bodyarmor do you wear? I saw the RAV being used but wasn't sure how wide-spread it's use is?

What personal gear do you wear beside what I asked, so I can make a figure "authentic"?

One last question, what personal firearms are you issued? I kow that most tankers are provided with a pistol, but what else? M-4 carbines are used but how many per crew? What in particular do the IDF use?

Thanks a whole bunch, I know it is a great deal to ask. I see tons of figures for Infantry and Paratroopers but just one for AFV/tank crewmember.

Thank you again,
Chet

[45commandorm]

Cant go wrong with lowa's, i could yomp forever in them bad boys

[Crux]

I sold Lowas for years, just because your toes hit up front does not mean you need a larger size! Think about your foot and how much it elongates when you apply your body weight, that can be corrected and also consider a "tounge depressor" and possibly different lacing. Stretching part of the boot is not uncommon. Most of the time when people up-size it makes it worse.

The "volume" of the boot is also very important. If your low-volume and the boot is high-volume your going to slide forward no matter what.

[8thidpathfinderpower]

Armored crewmen in the US Army wear cvc coveralls, or nomex flight suits. they wear the same web gear as the regular units, IE IOTV and OTV, with molle pouches. As for the helmet, they usually wear what is called a CVC helmet, which consists of a kevelar outer shell, a foam padded inner shell, which also houses the ear phones for the commo gear also.

[lt tahoe]

8ID is correct. We still wore tanker boots when I was in; and when dismounted, you switch to a standard helmet and leave your CVC helmet in the vehicle.

[Heazy]

Hi, i'm headed to Alaska for my first duty station and would like some good recommendations for winter boots. I was thinking of getting Danners, either the insulated hunting ones or just buying the winter ACU tan acadias. However, i wanted to explore something either than military-style winter boots/shoes. Anyone have any experience with Gore-tex Merrels? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[theholeinthedonut]

Different considerations come into play. What temperature range will you be wearing the boots in.....will you wear them only outside for long periods of outside duty...or will you be mainly working inside with just short walks from one building to another. Then you will need different boots for outside work during the middle of winter then those you wear when it's thawing.
If you need good muklukks have a look at the US Elitegear website.
http://store.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=useg&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=425640285&Count2=342780709

[Hutz]

For winter up north, can't beat mukluks, white.

[Heazy]

Good call on the mukluks, I assume the Outdoor Research ones. They make awesome products. Like donut said, i'm taking all those considerations into account. Mainly just for off duty wear, to and from buildings, and into town, etc.

[James]

Sorrells are good to go for cold and snow.

[ADK031]

Mukluks, especially army issue styles are quite different in feel and support from wearing a regular boot, say like a Danner Ft. Lewis. You should try them on and walk around before buying them. They are defintely very warm, Canadian issue are rated down to -40. That being said if you do go with Danner you would be much better off with something like the Ft. Lewis rather than a desert model. Check out the Ft. Lewis with 600 grams of Thinsulate.

[Cedan]

stay away from gore-tex boots mate, its **** in cold weather, if you're going to be outside for a long time get some decent leather boots, get wool soles in the boots with insulated covers on top of the boots like this: http://www.forsvarsbrukt.no/produkter/Fotposnybild.jpg

if you manage to get frostbites with that, I'll be impressed

[Wall]

stay away from gore-tex boots mate, its **** in cold weather,
What? I have used goretex boots now for 3 years, and i have noting bad to say about them in winter use.

Maybe its more like what type of goretex boots you buy... There is huge differences.

[Kilkenny]

Sorrells are good to go for cold and snow.

Good call Sorel boots are awesome. They are not gore-Tex which is good. Gore-Tex will eventually get wet and when they do you feet will be screwed.

http://www.sorel.com/

[ADK031]

No, I wouldn't recommend GoreTex if your MOS is infantry as your feet will be immersed in water higher than the top of the boots for enough times to make you hate GoreTex/Sympatex etc....It is true that GoreTex is bad when wet because it takes along time to dry (provided you even have the opportunity) and it is of course significantly heavier when wet. If your MOS is MP or something similar than you'll be OK with a GoreTex boot. All depends on what and where you'll be using them. Gaiters would help.

[Heazy]

No, I wouldn't recommend GoreTex if your MOS is infantry as your feet will be immersed in water higher than the top of the boots for enough times to make you hate GoreTex/Sympatex etc....
Yeah i'm a 11b. Already had a bad experience with GoreTex boots, had to wear soaked GoreTex winters for 2 days during a bivuac. :-(
I'll check out Sorels next time I go to REI. Thanks for the recommendations!

[INCONEL]

http://www.baffin.com/


And buy large enough to put inner-soles in them

[Kjes]

Just wondering if you guys get Alfa boots in the states. It's a Norwegian manufacturer that's been the official supplier of boots to our military for decades with a boot (M-77) that's been unchanged since 1976, because it's just that good. (Sounds a bit like a commercial) I definitely agree with Cedan, get some great leather boots like the M-77 (cough cough) and get something like
http://www.forsvarsbrukt.no/produkter/Fotposnybild.jpg

[gaijinsamurai]

I've had good luck with Sorels and Danners. The Sorels being better for warmth, but the Danners having the edge on maneuverability and all-around practicality.

[nasredin]

Hello
Can anyone identify this boots. I know the brand is Merrell, I just don't know the model

Thanks.


http://i1.uploadem.com/01082008/snapshot20080108182529.jpg

http://i1.uploadem.com/01082008/snapshot20080108182447.jpg

[Laconian]

They look like the Phaser Rush found on the hard to find Merrill website: www.merrell.com

You may want to brush up on your search-fu...

[Hollis]

They look like the Phaser Rush found on the hard to find Merrill website: www.merrell.com (http://www.merrell.com)

You may want to brush up on your search-fu...


Or the Morraines, or they changed the name.

[Crimsonel]

Those are the Rushs for sure, nice plain and subdued! Phaser Rush

[Nephilim]

oho...

*runs for cover*

[Ohtar]

Those two pictures are from some kind of documentary?

[Crimsonel]

I like the goretex danners with about 600 g thinsulate for mid range cold wx. but I will caution as well against using in scenarios where full immersion is common. here is what I have used for several years in temps from -30F, to 102F:

I love the desert Acadias for about 75% of conditions they are great and can come with or without g-tex.

I use the Danner Ft. Lewis with 600g in the early spring and Fall to stay warm down into freezing temps without sacrificing too much on manueverability and causing foot sweat.

For extreme temps I use a -100F Lacrosse with full lace and they seem to work well and offer good support for a Pacboot. The temp rating is over rated but they do well down to - 25 deg if you dont put them on frozen and are not sitting for too long.

[STEPAN1983]

Hello everyone! I need help from israeli guys... In september I'm going to visit Israel for one week. During the visit, I'm going to buy an israeli red boots.

1. I've been told that there are two versions of this boots - old and new - what is the difference? Maybe there are a lot of versions?

2. What boot sizing system is used in Israel? Do they have a width types like in US system? My size is 7 1/2 or 8 ("D" or "R" - middle width) for US system and 40 - 41 for Euro system. How can I compare Israel sizes to US and Euro sizes?

3. IMHO, israeli boots look like a copy of US "Combat-1" boots. Am I right?

4. What companies produce this boots? Is there a commercial copies and official govermental-ordered boots? I want a real boots, not some commercial crap...

P.S. I'm not going to buy this boots by internet ways, only a real shop in Israel.

[Steelersfan413]

I had wondered about these boots about a week ago in a "todays pics" thread.

My dad, (who is from Israel,) told me that they were used for paratroopers

[MFS1589]

They look like the Phaser Rush found on the hard to find Merrill website: www.merrell.com

You may want to brush up on your search-fu...

Wrong! Not Merrells. Try Vasque Wasatch GTX I am sure you can find a link for them.

[California Joe]

It's good to have a goal in life.

[LaoSexMachine]

just get a pair of dr.martens in ox blood


btw, you are going to israel and can only think about boots? check out the women in the military thread.

[miguelencanarias]

Those boots go great with the Blood Diamond pants.

[LRPV]

They only work well when using the Israeli lace-up method.

[IDF_TANKER]

Hello everyone! I need help from israeli guys... In september I'm going to visit Israel for one week. During the visit, I'm going to buy an israeli red boots.

1. I've been told that there are two versions of this boots - old and new - what is the difference? Maybe there are a lot of versions?
I don't think you would find the old boots anywhere... Anyway, the new boots - "light boots" - are, well, lighter and have shock suspension in sole(you can see that the sole has two layers) and as far as I remember they have a blue band inside(for marking the light version).


2. What boot sizing system is used in Israel? Do they have a width types like in US system? My size is 7 1/2 or 8 ("D" or "R" - middle width) for US system and 40 - 41 for Euro system. How can I compare Israel sizes to US and Euro sizes?
The Europe system, same as in Russia.


3. IMHO, israeli boots look like a copy of US "Combat-1" boots. Am I right?
Have no idea.


4. What companies produce this boots? Is there a commercial copies and official govermental-ordered boots? I want a real boots, not some commercial crap...
One of the companies which produce the boots is Alba. In any way, if you go to the big military/tourist gear chain stores like Rikoshet(can find it practically in every mall) and ask the military boots - you'll get it. One way to see that the boots are "genuine" - there have to be small pockets on the upper edge of the boots for holding the dog tags.


Anyhow, what's with the red boots?

[STEPAN1983]

Thank you very much, IDF TANKER!!!
I'll explane why I want that boots :) I like classic army boots and I need a new all-leather boots for moderate weather (mostly for the town life). But the black ones look too militaristic, so I need something brown/red. I found three opportunities - Belleville chocolate brown boots for USMC and Navy - the only way to get them is to order from USA, Corcoran brown boots - too retro, and israeli boots.
My mother is going to visit her old university friend. She (the friend) is jewish and she lived in Turkmenistan (former republic of USSR). She emigrated to Israel in 90-s with her small daughter and very old father, because the president's regime (so called Turkmenbashi - Father of all turkmens) persecuted all non-turkmen and russian-speaking people. She lives in a small town near Tel-Aviv, so it won't be a problem for me to get to Tel-Aviv and find some big store.

[IDF_TANKER]

Thank you very much, IDF TANKER!!!
I'll explane why I want that boots :) I like classic army boots and I need a new all-leather boots for moderate weather (mostly for the town life). But the black ones look too militaristic, so I need something brown/red. I found three opportunities - Belleville chocolate brown boots for USMC and Navy - the only way to get them is to order from USA, Corcoran brown boots - too retro, and israeli boots.
My mother is going to visit her old university friend. She (the friend) is jewish and she lived in Turkmenistan (former republic of USSR). She emigrated to Israel in 90-s with her small daughter and very old father, because the president's regime (so called Turkmenbashi - Father of all turkmens) persecuted all non-turkmen and russian-speaking people. She lives in a small town near Tel-Aviv, so it won't be a problem for me to get to Tel-Aviv and find some big store.
Good luck, man. Only be beware, that these boots are not really comfy - the standard thing for IDF soldiers is to buy the orthopedic insoles, so you might want to by the boots 1-2 sizes bigger than your normal size(although I heard that new boots already come with the insoles, but maybe it's only in army). Besides, you will want to put thick sport/military socks (there is no soft layer inside) - another reason to buy a bigger size.

[GrimReaper]

IDF_TANKER, the current model is mainly "Brill" pruduction and not "Alba".

Stepan,take it from my personal experience after using every type of issued boot in the IDF in the past 8 years (and currently the new model red boot) stick with the belleville's ! Just use a credit card and order it on the net.
The isreali boot is very low-tech, low-durability and in addition has bad insulation which you'll probably want if you're from Moscow.

[STEPAN1983]

I know that israeli boots are simple and old-style, but - there is an opportunity in september and I'm gonna use it.

I've heard that Belleville (and Danners too) are the best, but -
- For me its too expensive to buy something directly from USA. There is no any Danner boots in Moscow and there are some black leather and tan gore-tex Belleville boots.
- I've never used to buy boots in the internet before, I'm not sure in my size. I've carefully measured my size according to this info: http://www.boot.com/bsizcvt.htm
but what if the ordered boots will not match? - different companies, different sizes (for the same number of size) When measuring, I use summer synthetic socks with cushion zones and I need boots with light lining (cambrelle or analogs - brown Bellevilles).

[The_Dude]

Hi

I hope you guys can help me.
I bought a pair of Belleville boots but I can't quite figure out what model they are.
My guess would be something like 790, but the sole pattern is different from my 790A's and they don't have the Belleville tag/marking/branding on the outside.

http://www.abload.de/thumb/dsc001044yu.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=dsc001044yu.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/dsc001067er.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=dsc001067er.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/thumb/dsc00108qlx.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=dsc00108qlx.jpg)http://www.abload.de/thumb/dsc00109ruw.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=dsc00109ruw.jpg)

[nasredin]

Wrong! Not Merrells. Try Vasque Wasatch GTX I am sure you can find a link for them.

Look at that! - you are right. They are not merrells. And yes it's a discovery channel, but not a docummentary - rather a show called 'future weapons' i believe.

Thanks
-n.

[M_trace1187]

i think those are the newer 790s

[matolman1]

Go ahead and buy the red boots. You will always have a cool momento from your time in Israel.
ben

[dutch508]

Check ZAHAL


they have information on Israeli uniforms and equipment.

[GrimReaper]

Well, if you have the money to spare when you visit, they sell at about 360-400 Israeli shekels - around 100$.

[matolman1]

I'll sell you a pair of my black boots, IDF Issued, unworn for $50

[wbear]

Maybe some non standard contract boot.

The sole attachment method is old style. The newest 790's etc have a "direct attach" molded on style sole. Its lighter and more flexible making it more comfortable to wear.

[Trunk_Monkey]

I'm pretty sure that it's the older version of the 790. I've got 2 pairs of the 700s. One has the newer "Vanguard" sole, while the other has one similar to the one in your pics. I can't explain the lack of external marking on your pair. The main difference between the 2 is that the newer (Vangaurd) are much lighter weight wise.

[yankee]

Good morning to all, what are the shoes used by the paratroopers of the
Spéciales forces on the KSK (different shoes)

- meindel ?
- lowa ?
- ???

exact modéls and réfèrence please
thank you very much to all for response
yankee

[Jarhead]

BW-Kampfstiefel, the common Combat-boot
BW-Bergstiefel(made by HAIX,LOWA,MEINDL), boots the mountain-troops get issued
so far....

[yankee]

thank you for response

in ksk on don't have the lowa mountain or other high quality shoes ?

yankee:)

[Jarhead]

HAIX,LOWA and MEINDL is top quality

[yankee]

what is the best in the three ?

yankee

[Jarhead]

There are different opinions which are the best, I own a pair of HAIX and I love them, they are probably the best pair of boots I ever wore.

I hope a few other members will show up here and post their point of view.
Anyway use the search button we already have had a threat about boots, there are also some post about the BW-Bergstiefel

[yankee]

thank you

what is your modél on haix ? i like the haix BGS what is your opinions ?

and i like too the lowa mountain GTX But I am afraid what heavy for long march

yankee :)

[Jarhead]

I have the normal HAIX BW-Bergstiefel
http://www.asmc.de/images/product_images/popup_images/23103_0.jpg

[yankee]

i like too this modél :lol:

few question on this modél ?

not gore-tex ?
same quality on the lowa mountain GTX ?
is your best choice ? for you !

thank you
I will soon buy a pair of shoes
But I do not know what to take?:roll:

[Jarhead]

Its Goretex
I cant compare it with LOWAs because I haven´t worn anyone yet
Its a good pair of boots, no matter what you do, you can march in them for hours without problems.

Have a look on the boot threat.
For what are you going to buy this boots?

[yankee]

for military use :)

in the paratroopers ! long march , jump , all days use !

yankee

[Jarhead]

Than you´ll love this boots, they are the best choice

[yankee]

thank you very much for all response :)

you buy with ASMC ? and for the size is the same with lowa ?

[quinsen]

I own a pair of the LOWA Mountain Boot GTX. Would never change to another brand/model.

I heard Haix is the best for slim, Lowa for normal and Meindl for bigger feet (of the same size). There shouldn't be any differences in the quality.