Boots Boots Boots... 62 boot threads in one

[pruneorchard]

Who makes these boots:

hehe an australian TERRA GP combat Boot... kidding

[bigjeff]

Is it issued by army or it's a private purchase?

[digrar]

They're made by terra and they are issued kit.

[grist]

I like their hats.

[slobo]

I rarely see photos of the IDF in boots other than standard black or brown para issue. Is it strict policy not to wear other than issue? Are there preferred brands or other country issue boots commonly worn? I'm particulalry interested in cold weather wear as well.

[UoUo]

I rarely see photos of the IDF in boots other than standard black or brown para issue. Is it strict policy not to wear other than issue? Are there preferred brands or other country issue boots commonly worn? I'm particulalry interested in cold weather wear as well.

In most common IDF units regular black or brown/red boots are the standart boots.

In most SF units there are other kinds of boots.
Well i'll try give you some Photos depite the fact that the best source (isayeret) does not allow to post his photos.

Here you have unit 669 that use Spacial boots :



Wel i couldn't find other good pic's i'll try bring some more later.

EDIT : i found that pic's.

this is Nir he was a navy seal operatoer and he died during operation agianst terroists in the west bank. :(



You can see the boots in the pic.

[Catch22]

Boots UoUo posted are popular among French and Israel waterborne units, they're fairly simple made of canvas and rubber with some cork inserts. In my opinion better for wet-ops than US jungles. Once I think I've seen some SEAL guy wearing such boots.

I think French call them patagues (sp?) and they come in two varieties - higher and lower.

[UoUo]

Boots UoUo posted are popular among French and Israel waterborne units, they're fairly simple made of canvas and rubber with some cork inserts. In my opinion better for wet-ops than US jungles. Once I think I've seen some SEAL guy wearing such boots.

I think French call them patagues (sp?) and they come in two varieties - higher and lower.





They are U.S made or what?

[UoUo]

I think that those boots called "Paladium"

http://www.israelmilitary.com/product_info.php?cPath=6311&products_id=1152&osCsid=1dc03686332e2bc8b0b211c59813f58a


Well 37$ it's not so much for a good boot.

I have a question to the Israeli members that served in the army.
A soldier must walk with the boots his unit gives him right? he don't have the right to buy boots and use them?

Cuz i heard vests are aproved to be buy and used.

[Digital Marine]

Paladium´s are more civilian shoes

[Catch22]

I've got some issue boots like that from FFL. Except they're fully green ones.

Issue short ones:

[oldsoak]

Boots UoUo posted are popular among French and Israel waterborne units, they're fairly simple made of canvas and rubber with some cork inserts. In my opinion better for wet-ops than US jungles. Once I think I've seen some SEAL guy wearing such boots.

I think French call them patagues (sp?) and they come in two varieties - higher and lower.





They look remarkably similar to the jungle boots issued to British troops in WWII era. Canvas and rubber.
IIRC, I remember seeing photos of DAK troops wearing a similar boot in WWII. I thought that in the Israeli army, brown boots meant you were a para and black boots were issued to everyone else. Can any Israeli verify this ?

[UoUo]

Almost true.

yes brown boots are in general means you are para.
And most of the SF use them 2.

[Golani68]

A few golani units wear a walking boot
when working in west bank

better for running in

I know of one shop that give a whole unit the boots as a gift

[Belial]

the canvas/rubber boots referred to higher are produced either by Palladium or by Pataugas.
I, myself, own a few pair of those.
As said before they're nice for amphibious operations and also for bivi.


Don't bother about the websites of both these brands, they're full of girlie models and come with an annoying flash interface and stupid music.

[Belial]

Those were given to me by my father, I still wear them from time to times, I don't know what year they are from, but my father told me he found them along with a bunch of other unissued stuff back in the 60's after a colonial regiment had been disbanded not far from where we lived.
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[spyguy]

Any one know where in Tel Aviv you can pick up a set of the Brown/Red boots? I will be there on travel and realized it would be nice to have boots on the next stop in my travles and seeing how they've probably been proven and because of the supply might not be too expensive. Not to mention they wouldn't be a bad pair to take home. Thanks.

SG

wouldn't mind them being used.

[UoUo]

Yes.

You can buy them in dizngof center.
In dizngof street.

i'll try to give you more deatils.

[UoUo]

Our famous retail shop "Crazy Richard" Army Surplus and T-shirts is located in Dizingoff Center - in the heart of Tel-Aviv.
You may contact us prior to your visit by phone: 03-6204612

Working Hours:
Sun. - Thu.: 9:30AM - 9:00PM
Fri.: 9:30AM - 3:00PM
Saturday night: After Shabbat, 7:00PM-10:00PM


We look forward to hearing from you and seeing you in Israel.



Well i don't know what they whould chrage you as a tourist.

:|

http://www.israelmilitary.com/index.php?cPath=6311&osCsid=80a4ac5caffc163b4ffef82619d30605

[RP]

SF units (actually, many units that are not SF aswell but nm that) are usually issued with civilian standard hiking boots from companies such as:
Solomon, Asolo, Scarpa, Garmont and even Nike (!).

Some of them buy them from the unit budget, some are from donations.

[leatherneck]

Anyone ever own a pair of these boots? They look like old style converse boots. I heard people rave about them. I was just wondering too if the Israelis actually use them with fairly heavy loads because they look like they have zero ankle support? Although I like the idea of being able to "feel" wear you are walking.

http://zahal.org/gear/p3.htm#

[Captain_Smollet]

No one uses those with heavy loads or in LRRP missions. Those are very similar to old style sport shoes from 70-80th.

Last time I saw them in 2001. They were used for CQB training in certain
unit, never saw those in combat. If you consider buying those - spare your money.

In SF community trekking boots from Scarpa and Co with Gortex and Vibram outsoles are very common.

And those are from Old Era...

[East Scout]

Yeah i have used them before in warm weather and in the fall..Great boot. I had a pair last summer that i wore till they actually rotten and fell apart. Lessoned learned is that if you get them wet let them dry totaly through.

I wore them with some pretty good loads in hilly and swamp woodland enviroment and never had a problem twisting anything..Infact its getting warm so its time to order another pair..I got mine from Brigade but ill try these guys now.

Thanks for the link! ;-)

[Ruledbyjames]

Bought them and thought they were crap. Honestly, I would invest in a pair of Bellevilles 790's. I know they are heavier but there is no comparison between the two pairs. I love my 790's. Once you break them in (which takes about 5 minutes) they are like wearing runners. If you are worried about the price go on ebay. I got mine for $60 shipped to Irealnd.

[Belial]

These boots are of the same built as french Palladium or Pataugas boots which are quite popular among trekkers.
They were issued in Indochina and Algeria.

They come in various shapes, french issue jungle boots look alot like the ones on your link (the rubber/leather label on the ankle is different) some models come also with a pair of buckles to secure the ankle like on the french army issue leather boots.

Here are mine, formerly belonging to my father but found in a cardboard box.

[Marsuitor]

You don't buy these boots to last. At the price they retail at you should get the picture. I've owned three pairs during the last three years and they usually last for some six months before they break down. During this time they are very comfortable boots in warm climates. They're well ventilated, lightweight and comfortable to walk in. I've used them for jungle treks, desert work as well as for walking about in mountains. They never let me down, but it's time to change them when the sole starts ripping from the canvas after long use.

Take care,
Marcus

[East Scout]

I agree Marlus they dont last..Disposable is the word Ill use;-)..I tried to order mine from that Isreali company but there was a CC problem..I ordered OD ones from Brigade-Quatermaster in the stead........

http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=9712&M5COPY%2Ectx=27437&M5%2Ectx=3617&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Boots%20%2D%20Magnum%99%2C%20Lightweight&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=Scorpion%20Desert%20Boots&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam

[Andreas]

Doing some chemical warfare there marcus? With your smelly boots?




p-) p-)

Cheers
Andreas

[Marsuitor]

HAHA! Good one! :lol:
Niami/Ranonnga in the night, talk piss and entertain the kids.

Take care,
Marcus

[Andreas]

I thought that was a pretty good find.

+10 for me, jippi!!

Cheers
Andreas

[Kaplanr]

I certainly wouldn't use them operationally. They're super comfortable, except when wet, then your feet slide around in them. Argument about no support is true too. The notion of them as commando boots is PR, in Israel they're called Palladium or Commandos, as a noun.

[RP]

Israel SF mostly use standart civil hiking boots such as: solomon, asolo, garmont, scarpa, and even Nike.

[Catch22]

They are ok in soft terrain such as sand or swamp. Not too good for longer marches on rocky or paved surfaces - very little cushioning. I'll add to what Marcus and Brandenburger said - they are "wear&forget" boots, nothing to cry over. But good if you need to get your feet wet. They dry reasonably fast, unfortunately so they soak that fast too. For true hiking use something rugged.
I remember fantassin mentioned some french snipers liked them because they had green rubber soles and fabric was easy to paint or camouflage. I think Pretorian669 has them on in his photos painted in 6c desert camouflage.

I have still some pairs from France, very similiar to the ones Belial showed, just with olive rubber soles. Nowadays I use them mainly for yachting etc, since they lack proper cushioning for walking or running.

[Ruledbyjames]

Hahaha the 1st sale I ever made on ebay was to a guy called Pretorian669.

[East Scout]

If you get a set make sure you add some extra pads in them as you feel EVERYTHING you walk on..

[Brabo]

Hey guy's

I'm about to buy some new boots for hiking and military use in the future.
I found two combatboots:

1. Meindl Army Pro


2.Hanwag Special Forces GTX


Does some of you got a review about these boots
esspecially of the one from Hanwag?

[dacanadianbomb]

Dman I thought someone was reviewing our member combatboots.

[Andreas]

I have a pair very similar to the hanwag boots in the picture. I bought them from a surplus lot from the german army. And So far im very pleased with them.

Just for normal hiking I would stick with a semi-high top boot.

If your not planning on long marches with 50kg++ pack in rocky terrain I would stay clear of the "very high-top" ones...

Just my two cents

[Andreas]

Have a look see:

http://cgi.ebay.com/German-Mountain-Boot-Lowa-Haix-9UK-Super-Grade-as-new_W0QQitemZ5479235891QQcategoryZ11497QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[LpDUDE]

What boots does the Army wear with the ACU uniform?

[wbear]

Alot wear these. 790's

[D3ath]

I thought they were getting foilage-green boots ?

[ABNINF]

Nope, we were issued Bellville's, both the hot and cold weather versions. Corcoran is making an appearance too. I wear a set of 5.11 HRT boots now, since they're authorized over here.

[stuntman]

NO NO the real BTDT are using these badboys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

:-p

[Omaha]

Christ, why don't we paint everything ACU?

[Chet Mystery]

I thought they were getting foilage-green boots ?

Nope, but the Air Force is :roll:

[usm2b]

can anyone post a pic of "green-foilage boots"?

[Canadian Sig]

Nope but how about some nice Cadpat ones?

[ca180sx]

They really are making everything ACU. It's like a new fashion statement. And to think that the we don't have enough money to buy the KC130's we need or even enough side armor SAPI plates for my Marines. But the Army has enough to make matching ACU shave kits and all that stuff.

[DnA]

Nope but how about some nice Cadpat ones?



lol, I'm happy those didn't make it past the trial stage.

[p51]

They really are making everything ACU. It's like a new fashion statement. And to think that the we don't have enough money to buy the KC130's we need or even enough side armor SAPI plates for my Marines. But the Army has enough to make matching ACU shave kits and all that stuff.
Yeah, and the funniest thing of all is that you can find plenty of those ACU shaving kits and crap like that, but try to find boots, a hat, or the issue web belt at your local Army Clothing sales... Good freaking luck with that!
I have a full set of ACUs with all insignia but I can't wear them until I can find the belt and the correct pattern boots, as the unit I'm with only allows one type of each (and yes, they are checking)...

[Digital Marine]

p51,

have you tried www.bellevilleshoe.com (http://www.bellevilleshoe.com) or www.aafes.com (http://www.aafes.com) ?

[bluffcove]

HOW DO YOU POLISH THOSE?



and they look like gay doc martens!

[Maine Finn]

Yeah, and the funniest thing of all is that you can find plenty of those ACU shaving kits and crap like that, but try to find boots, a hat, or the issue web belt at your local Army Clothing sales... Good freaking luck with that!
I have a full set of ACUs with all insignia but I can't wear them until I can find the belt and the correct pattern boots, as the unit I'm with only allows one type of each (and yes, they are checking)...

I looked for the issue belt at Clothing Sales for awhile before finding it buried in the underwear aisle, of all places. Not sure what I can tell you about the boots, though.

[GoSka37]

HOW DO YOU POLISH THOSE?



and they look like gay doc martens!


That's the beauty... you -don't-

[usm2b]

That's the beauty... you -don't-

I don't polish my bellevilles...but they don't look like gay doc martins

[AFJROTC55]

i am in the market for a new pair of boots, i havent bought a pair in two years, i am looking for a pair of Gore Tex Belleville Model 700's size 12, i work alot in wet and alot of LR Pack Humping, i have never owned a pair of Belleville's, a buddy of mine let me borrow his for a few days just to try out, see how i liked them. and i was wondering if they are good for long hikes. say 9 days, 8+ miles per day, mountainous terrain, w/pack, are they everything that they're cracked up to be.

and if anybody knows some good prices for them, list price at Belleville is like 144$. i found a place that sells the for 95$, then i found this place,

www.militarysupplyhouse.com/footwearus1.htm

they're used, for 30$, i'm a bit suspicious, i emailed them asking what "condition good" meant but if anybody knows better, please enlighten

thanks

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[XxDrAg0nxX]

I personally wouldnt buy seconds for boots if i can help it.

Thats because i feel wierd in it, and its not broken-in in the shape of my feet.

[AFJROTC55]

yeah, good point, but, see, there are some places that sell Mil Surp stuff that has small defects or was issued once or a lace strap broke or something small, then there are places that you could buy a pile of leather and some rubber and ductape it to your foot and it would work better than what they consider "good, used".

and the whole broken in thing, yes and no, for boots, yeah you're probably right.

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[Mr.K]

check on ebay, and remember if its too good to be true it probably is. I wouln't buy used boots for 30$.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Belleville-ICB-gore-tex-combat-boots-New-12W-12-W_W0QQitemZ7752371470QQcategoryZ63850QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[narbilistic]

Ebay has some good prices for new ones, I got a pair of des 390's for 60 shipped and the day after I saw a pair for 30 shipped. I got a pair of gel pad soles for them, they feel great.

[mogsniper94]

I like my bellvilles(blk). I have done a good amount of hiking in them, and wear them for swat as well. I would recomend them. I have continuously went back to the old pair in lew of new stuff that just aint as good. They are a vendor for the USMC , and the guys like them way more than the standard USMC infantry boot which is kinda crappy.(bellville makes a good desert goot)

I am going to resole them and continue using them.. I think i have had them for 5 years now. still in good condition.

[GoSka37]

I don't polish mine either. And they are far from being gay doc Martins...

[Maine Finn]

That's the beauty... you -don't-

Only downside to 'em is that cleaning them results in rubbing off the suede from the boots. Mine are lookin' a tad bit bald these days.

[rokdoc]

Throwing them in the washing machine won't hurt them any. Can't say what it'll do to the washer, though...

[akmarksman]

HOW DO YOU POLISH THOSE?



and they look like gay doc martens!
x3!!!
yeah..the 5.11s are nice..

[Frens]

does anybody have experience with this Converse boots?

[SMGLee]

Best pair of boots on the market... better and more comfortable then the Oakley. on par with GSG9 but with more support and longer wear.

[Doomsayer]

After seeing oakley and converse making tactical boots ... I wonder when the Tactical Gucci and Military Dolcie & Gabana lines come uit

[dave81]

Holy crap it's the Terminator! Actually I have seen a guy wearing the tan version with his ACUs. I would think they were waaaay out of regulation (being overly "fancy") but he was a senior NCO working at a brigade HQ. Seriously, though, what's with all the bells & whistles on this boot?

[twominds]

hey armani designes police uniforms in italy, so they're allready there.. :)

[UNDERDOG1]

frens, where you find the boots..? europe? I'm interested..

[Frens]

frens, where you find the boots..? europe? I'm interested..

actiongear.com (http://www.actiongear.com)

[Zero The Hero]

Well Hugo Boss started it all with his spring collection of -33 for the SS... :)

[TacoDelRio]

I think I heard about the lip of rubber on the toe peeling up somewhere...

[Frens]

how do they fit? I mean I need help with size...I usually wear a 44 1/2 (Europe)...would a 11 (USA) be ok?
btw, I'm talking about the waterproof model without the Thinsulate insulation

[uglybaby]

Not to hijack and I don't know if they will ship to Europe but these are the best boots I've bought for the price.
http://www.lapolicegear.com/5tahbo.html
Maybe not the color's you were looking for but a great deal on fantastic boots none the less. I can email you pictures if you like.

[crazyman]

'long as we're on the topic of boots, has anyone tried 5.11's? saw some on sale here, and i could use a new pair o' boots so i was curious

[bshnt2015]

The Converse boots wears like a pair of running shoes. Sitting in a patrol car for 10-12 hrs, you want comfort and less weight to lug around, they fit that role, still giving you a balance of ankle/foot protection for kicking in doors or that foot chase where the suspects is wearing the $250.00 Nike shoe to get away from you. Price wise not bad compare with Magnum, Oakley, Danner, or SWAT boots. Some of SWAT guys are using the Converse.

The 5.11 is another decent brand, holds up to daily wear, a little heavier, currently being deployed with a co-worker who is off to the big sand box.
Some of the comments heard around the locker room is the 5.11 is good and wears well. As soon as my Danners wear out onto these 2 new boots for a try.

[Devil68]

They look nice and have a fair price to it.
How are they on like marble floor? do they make that squiki noise alot of other boots do? or have they eliminated that like the Bates M9 boots.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67962

I believe this was discussed earlier, someone had some input on it.

[Irish]

Just a few pic's of my new issue boots.their called HAIX.feel free post ur pix of yer boots if yee want.:)

[East Scout]

Where are they made?

[CQB_Operator]

Haix = Made in Germany
http://haix.de/

[Irish]

They are a German Boot Buddy.have to say in the box you get a spare set of laces and a cleaning gel,which I have never got from any other boots that I have been Issued with before.

only got them today so Yee will have to wait to see what I think of them,unless any of the Irish Lads who have them already contribute to what they think of them.,but any of the lads I know who have been Issued with them, like them.

[East Scout]

Ah ok..thanks guys..I especially like the tread.......

[Irish]

I've been wearing MATTERHORN for the past 5 years which I have no complaints with,so I was due a new Issue.

The new boot Issue In the Irish DF is HAIX and as I said, I haven't heard any Bad things with the New boot.

Any of the Irish Lads who have worn them overseas are very welcome to post what they think of them.p-)

[Resurrection]

Nice boots! They look real comfortable.

[Irish]

comfortable alright.they even give ya a spare set of insoles!!:)

[FDF_Hemppis]

Have Haix boots too... (Airpower P3)

Test your boots for leaking before you do squat, (put them on and stand in a ditch or something ;)) mine started leaking after a few months (:() and I've heard that they have had some QC issues lately...

Also if you have the proper weather, I suggest you test if they've improved the sole; at least the P3's I have are ****ing slippery when cold. Not exactly winter boots :|

[Boom]

They are a German Boot Buddy.have to say in the box you get a spare set of laces and a cleaning gel,which I have never got from any other boots that I have been Issued with before.

only got them today so Yee will have to wait to see what I think of them,unless any of the Irish Lads who have them already contribute to what they think of them.,but any of the lads I know who have been Issued with them, like them.

Hi Irish, arty types got issued a good while ago, at least you still had the cleaning gel, spare laces & spare insoles in the box.....mine did not

[Dalleer]

Just a few pic's of my new issue boots.their called HAIX.feel free post ur pix of yer boots if yee want.:)


I see you've acquired a pair of the newer German Bundeswehr "Kampfstiefel 2000" - boots. They're supposed to be quite good in terms of quality etc.

Now that I heard they were manufactured by none other than Haix, I'm sold: I wish I could get a pair of those myself, but the closest place to find them new is in England.

Recently I ditched my Finnish M/91 - boots too, and bought Haix Airpower P3's just like Mr. Hemppis over there:







I've been much happier with them compared with the M/91's (naturally). So far they haven't leaked in water in nor have they caused any trouble just yet. I'm very happy with the purchase.

[Irish]

Hi Irish, arty types got issued a good while ago, at least you still had the cleaning gel, spare laces & spare insoles in the box.....mine did not
why didn't ask the Q about that..I would have.

[Irish]

I see you've acquired a pair of the newer German Bundeswehr "Kampfstiefel 2000" - boots. They're supposed to be quite good in terms of quality etc.

Now that I heard they were manufactured by none other than Haix, I'm sold: I wish I could get a pair of those myself, but the closest place to find them new is in England.

Recently I ditched my Finnish M/91 - boots too, and bought Haix Airpower P3's just like Mr. Hemppis over there:







I've been much happier with them compared with the M/91's (naturally). So far they haven't leaked in water in nor have they caused any trouble just yet. I'm very happy with the purchase.
As far As I know,any one in my Unit who has them Issued likes them.
have to wear them around the Barracks first to break them in.then Il properly test them in the hills..Cheers for the Heads up;-)

[Katana-sr]

I see you've acquired a pair of the newer German Bundeswehr "Kampfstiefel 2000" - boots. They're supposed to be quite good in terms of quality etc.


That isn't the Kampfstiefel 2000. Similar, but not the thing. I still have my Kampfstiefel 2000 from my now-ended military service and they look different. Hold on, I'm going to take some pics and edit them in.

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[Irish]

That isn't the Kampfstiefel 2000. Similar, but not the thing. I still have my Kampfstiefel 2000 from my now-ended military service and they look different. Hold on, I'm going to take some pics and edit them in.
All I know is they are HAIX,I have no Idea what Model no they are. The Irish Df have them on issue.They changed from Matterhorn.

[Dalleer]

Yes, true: they're not Kampfstiefel 2000, I checked.

I just figured they'd be the new German boots since they looked a hell of alot like them. And what lead me even further to my conclusion was the fact that these shoes were manufactured by Haix and they looked like Kampfstiefel 2000´s.

[ed316]

[Irish]

rofl Very funny..Should have said "MY NEW MILITARY ISSUE BOOTS"!!

[Buckeye67]

I recently picked up a new pair of boots for work - Magnum Elite 900 6". I tried on half a dozen or so pairs of different boots at the uniform shop (Thorogoods, 5.11's amongst others) and the Magnums felt great as soon as I put them on. They have a moisture wicking as well as a waterproof sympatex lining (which will come in really handy when I spill coffee on my shoes in the Comm Center!). Not a bad boot for the money (about $100USD).

[Boom]

why didn't ask the Q about that..I would have.


Someone got to the box before I did......you know yourself

[Roaming East]

small little girly feet lol

[Hypnotic]

My Boots sorry i just got in so laces are everywhere!





Sorry this photo got little blurred :-(


Hypno

[Sneeker]

Im Thinking Danner Acadia's, with thinsilate 200 and gortex. I work at an Airport and it gets cold here and hot here. Ranges from -40 to +40 those are the extreams. Im not to worried about the temp cus i use about the same weight thinislate on the boots I have now, but they dont have gortex. Are these boots worth the money, are the comfortable and so on. Im on a tarmac all day.

[HoboWithAK]

Are you required to wear steel or non-metallic safety toes?

I'll say what i've said forever. The best two work boots on this planet are made by Redwing or Rocky. Period. A combat boot is a combat boot, a work boot is something different.

[Digital Marine]

Check out www.bellevilleshoe.com (http://www.bellevilleshoe.com)


Their 700 model is very comfy and durable!

Feels like you're wearing sneakers.

[Ruledbyjames]

Belleville 790's are awesome. They feel like running shoes and have been nothing but gold for me. Check ebay, I got min for $70 dollars shipped to Ireland. Mine are steeled toed and cause no problems.

[Durandal]

I'll say what i've said forever. The best two work boots on this planet are made by Redwing or Rocky. Period. A combat boot is a combat boot, a work boot is something different.

X2

My Redwings rock...

I have several pairs of work boots and combat boots. For working, I have to go with Redwing...

[Sneeker]

I prefer not having a safty toe, the job im at dosent require it at all unless my boss is asking if you know what i mean. But all it dose is gets really cold in the winter and once it is cold it is hard to heat up, so once your feet get cold your pooched. Im a fueler so i just need somthing that is going to be water proof kind of warm in the winter kind of cool in the summer, or breathable, and comfortable on the tarmac. A steel toe dosent really fit the bill for me as much as it did when I was chucking bags, and working around heavy stuff. Id go with a composite toe but i cant find one i like. See the reason im asking is because they give me a boot voucher and it pays for the boot but i can only buy at the store they buy from. The place caries the boot ive been wearing for the past 3 years which is fine but only prob is its steel toe and is cold when its super cold out and not water proof. so that my problem and Just wondering if Danner is a good quality boot and if im going to run into any problems or if i should stick to what ive got, and suck it up.

Ps Id love a Belleville, or a redwing . But they dont have them where im going. Nutz
Thanks guys for your input

[Scout Ranger]

hi elkow, sorry for riding along with your thread.

i also would like to know the suggestion of members here if magnum response or viper(both side zip version) gets the job done in urban work? mostly walking in stoney and cemented roads.

[scrybe]

Im Thinking Danner Acadia's, with thinsilate 200 and gortex. I work at an Airport and it gets cold here and hot here. Ranges from -40 to +40 those are the extreams. Im not to worried about the temp cus i use about the same weight thinislate on the boots I have now, but they dont have gortex. Are these boots worth the money, are the comfortable and so on. Im on a tarmac all day.



I've had two pairs of Acadias and currenty have a pair of the steel-toed Quarrys. I love Danner boots. My last pair of Acadias I wore the soles flat on. They were still perfectly comfortable, but I almost busted my ass a couple times on wet asphalt.

There may be some other boots worth looking at, but I would imagine you would definitely be happy with the Acadias.

[Sneeker]

Nice Thanks guys

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

Where are the rounds from?

[Irish]

Where are the rounds from?
Some how I doubt you'll get an answer.

[JVeld]

They look pretty confortable !

[Hypnotic]

Sorry the belt of ammo is from a M249 SAW. Brought them last year. From War And Peace Show.

Hypno

[Resurrection]

Sorry the belt of ammo is from a M249 SAW.

Hypno

Is that what they call them in the UK?

[Buckeye67]

Sorry the belt of ammo is from a M249 SAW.

Hypno

Didn't know those came in 7.62x51.

(Edit: That sure as heck ain't a belt of 5.56. It isn't even live ammunition, which is a good thing looking at his other posts :p.)

[moughoun]

Is that what they call them in the UK?
no they don't, M249 and SAW are US designations.......no British soldier or Marine would use those term's

[moughoun]

Didn't know those came in 7.62x51.

(Edit: That sure as heck ain't a belt of 5.56. It isn't even live ammunition, which is a good thing looking at his other posts :p.)
I'm leaning with Buckeye on this.....it reek's of bs

[oldsoak]

I'm leaning with Buckeye on this.....it reek's of bs

- probably stuck to the sole of his boots...

[Hypnotic]

- probably stuck to the sole of his boots...

They aint real there dud rounds you think im able to have ammo in my house in the UK.

If u want i can post all the ammo i got 1 sec

Hypno

[Buckeye67]

Actually, could you post a photo of your entrenching tool? You seem to be good at digging a hole for yourself. It must be a beauty.

[Hypnotic]

I aint digging know hole! tbh

[Hypnotic]

All my stuff i brought at the show.

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Close up of ammo

(http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sa4000748dl.jpg)

This 303 rounds but hey im apparntly im bs so i no nothing:roll:



This Ammo clip i have no idea what it is any ideas?

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Hypno

[Buckeye67]

Maybe you could ask someone down at the barracks (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1594972#post1594972) what it is? Y'know - next time you're down there cleaning something.

Just exactly what barracks would those be anyway?

Also, is english not your native language?

[Hypnotic]

Also this is the show i think i got this video from militaryvideos. Its the worlds biggest military fair. I have a load of pictures from i it mainly of the battles and Tanks etc.. but theres a few of weapons.

http://media.putfile.com/War-And-Peace-05

Hypno

[oldsoak]

mate - no disrespect but I'd be careful about the impression you give here, because theres quite a few a chaps here who the job for real. The initial impression was that you had live link stacked next to issue boots in your billet - which sent alarm bells ringing as that breaks quite a few regs in about every army there is. Yep, you've cleared it up, but poseur is one label you dont want to have if you want to be taken seriously. You dont have to be anything other than yourself here.

[DnA]

Since my old jungle boots are pretty worn out, etc its time to replace them. I've been checkin out the ones on the Altama website, I've heard a few bad things about quality of their boots, but everything else I've heard about them is good.

Anyways, what would bet the best boot for military use, mainly for field use in the woods an FIBUA; an has the best support, etc.

3 Boots that I thought looked pretty good

3LC Black Jungle Mil Spec Boot
http://www.altama.com/Tp1/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=4168 <-- I'm thinking these ones would be pretty good since they got a vibram sole.


Black Jungle Original Ripple Boot
http://www.altama.com/Tp1/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=6877

Black Jungle Sahara Boot
http://www.altama.com/Tp1/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=6878

[HOLLiS]

sportsman guide has some great prices on Bates Boots. you need to watch the prices, when they close out a run the deals are real good.

[USMC Tanker]

Altama makes GREAT boots. I love the look and feel of the old green jungle boots...

[Uncle Sam]

Ok, So I've been wearing these Merrells for about 4 months now and it's time for a review...I'm sure some of you might already own a pair, so this is for the ones who don't.

Merrell Chameleon II Stretch

http://www.merrell.com/Shop/Detail.aspx?NavID=FT-O-CHM&PID=9779



Color: Light Brown (But come in many other colors)
Fit: True to size

These things are, as James would say, "the bees knees" !!

Comfortable, functional, pretty neat looking and a great shoe to wear all day in the heat with no problems. Also good for trail running, backbacking, and general outdoor activities. Lacing system is a breeze, just snug them, pull down the tightener and never worry about laces coming undone or even having to tie them ever again.

I highly recommend getting a pair.

[UNDERDOG1]

I own the very same model, but for me they sucks badly.

I used them for trail running and little hiking, and lasted two months before failing apart.

They are comfortable, but the sole offer no support for running and also, the lace system is prone to being discomfortable.

However, I'm rather tall and heavy, and I tend to accelerate wear greatly on shoes.

[Uncle Sam]

Interesting.

I think they're intention is not for "running", but like for short jaunts through the woods, not serious trail running.

[Suigenesis]

I've got a pair on my feet right now, I love them.

[James]

Molly747 has a pair. I might get myself a pair when my Lowas wear out.

[East Scout]

Altama makes GREAT boots. I love the look and feel of the old green jungle boots...


X2
They are good boots and Ill take OD over stait blk any day ...I really like Panama soles above all others..I have an old pair of OD JBs that are dated 1972 (thats as old as me) and they are still rolling strong..

[Digital Marine]

http://www.bellevilleshoe.com/bootseries/220desstblackpub.htm

http://www.bellevilleshoe.com/bootseries/300TROPSTpub.htm

Belleville = good

[TacoDelRio]

I was thinkin' of a pair fo their high-tops. Looks good with the speedy-lacing-whatever system.

Thanks for the review, Uncle Sam!

[Blarney]

Ive had the Sawtooths and I use the Reflexs now. Amazing shoes and extremly comfortable.

[ekranoplan]

Yo Underdog,

I'm searching for a good trial running shoe... any recommendation? Up until now I used regular running shoes for trail - doesn't really work for me.

[RGRBOX]

http://www.bellevilleshoe.com/bootseries/220desstblackpub.htm

http://www.bellevilleshoe.com/bootseries/300TROPSTpub.htm

Belleville = good

I'm with DM on this one... the Altama boots were the best, when they were the only ones out there... now a lot of companies make Jungle /Desert boots, and my Bellevilles are tops.. more comfortable then any other lightweight boots on the market that's I've tried... I'm still waiting to get the new Warrior Boots from BHI... but for the durability, and quality of the boots,and the comfort... belleville = Best

[tango44]

New Balance my friend!

[Catch22]

I'd stick to Lowas or Meindl if I were you James...

[bluffcove]

Salomon might be worth a look.

[FOCUS]

3LC Black Jungle Mil Spec Boot <- That's exactly same what I thought.
(I trust in Vibram sole)
BTW, how about ripple sole? Is it comfortable? Is it strong enough?

[stuntman]

Well I also have a pair of Chameleon II gortex xcr, but not the stetch version.



They are a great shoe but during the winter time, medium weight(wool) socks are required. Another problem with them is that since they have a lug sole they are not the best grip on wet surfaces. Other then that I absolutely love them..
If you are looking for a trail running shoe, I wouldn't suggest a pair of these or this type. If it was the end of the world I would totally use my merrels but running fast or even moderet distance is out of the question. A good running trailshoe is something like a pair of Montrail Vitesse they are better for running and the heel is wider which can support the impact of running.. If you run all weather you can try any trail runner with XCR gortex. I never really liked these new hybrid type trail shoes but they are sized like sneakers and happened to be the best all around type of footwear you can purchase. And if you are practical like I am this type of shoe is for you...

[RGRBOX]

3LC Black Jungle Mil Spec Boot <- That's exactly same what I thought.
(I trust in Vibram sole)
BTW, how about ripple sole? Is it comfortable? Is it strong enough?

The ripple soles on the Altama boots are too heavy... and the ripple sole models are the commercial quality boots, not the mil spec...

[AIRBORNEJOCK]

have a look on the altberg website www.altberg.co.uk (http://www.altberg.co.uk) they make some pretty good boots and a great jungle boot variant (microlite)

[scrybe]

I bought a pair of the expensive ($100ish) Altama jungle boots for LTC at Fort Knox. They didn't make it through the entire month before the front of the soul started peeling away from the toe. I might have had a rare bad experience, but I was pretty dissapointed.

[FOCUS]

The ripple soles on the Altama boots are too heavy... and the ripple sole models are the commercial quality boots, not the mil spec...
Thank you RGRBOX and...I got more question, is there any advantages from using ripple soles?

[ekranoplan]

Thanks for input people!!

Have to check out what's available locally. I know there're Merrell shops around (heck I only wear Merrell lately) but couldn't really find the model for runing trail. There's big forest next to where I live and after rain it can get muddy, so yeah, all weather is definitely a good idea.

[Digital Marine]

Thank you RGRBOX and...I got more question, is there any advantages from using ripple soles?

From what i heard, it's better on the feet.. softer impact.. etc?

[RGRBOX]

Thank you RGRBOX and...I got more question, is there any advantages from using ripple soles?

When I was spending a lot of time in the sand box.. many parts of Ft.Bragg included, I had some guys who wore them.. but they were lighter ripple soles they had put on thier Jungle Boots.. they all swore by them.. once I began selling them, I tried a pair on, and found them complete crap.. too heavy (altama models) , and they make a lot of noise..

I prefer vibran soles on my boots.. but to be honest with you.. the Belleville soles are a little to hard.. The Matterhorn vibran soles are softer, and feel better to me.. but the Belleville are some good boots..

[DnA]

Info on the ripple soles I got on another forum from a ex Army Ranger


Those ripple soles suck IMO. They are not too bad if you are in Georgia where everything is sand and where the shoulders of the highways are sand (ruckmarching), but anywhere else they suck. They also increase the lack of ankle support in a already poorly supported boot.
If you really want to wear jungle boots (I wore nothing but for years) then you can get a boot shop to strip off the jungle sole completly, then add on a vibram gumlight, that was my personal favourite. Keep it as low as possible, without inserting any cushioning that will elevate your foot too much (ankle support weakness).


I'm gonna check get my jungle boots that I got resoled with the vibrams an check out the local gear/surplus stores an see if they got any good altama or wellco jungle boots instock an get those resoled(if needed).

[ktk_ace]

im wearing the standard SAF gore-tex panama soled issued boots for casual walking and airsofting. Not exactly cheap at 100 SGD (ard 67 USD) but hey its gore-tex, has panama sole ,a new balance kind of shock absorbing pad and speed lacing!

http://auctions.yahoo.com/sg/auction/97377034

ps. im not the one selling the boots, im just providing a link to a pic to show them off XD

[Blarney]

Merrells perhaps?

[UNDERDOG1]

For trail running I recommand SALOMON

www.salomonoutdoor.com

For hiking the absolutely best boots I have tried are ASOLO ones (used also by PJ pararescues, SEALs, and Italian navy special forces)

[andreen]

I have a pair of MAGNUM TacTrop. And I am satisfied.

[An Cosantóir]

Tha Magnum Amazon Jungle Boot is on issue within the Irish Defence Forces to all personnel on overseas deployment to Liberia,Sierra Leone and in Afganistan they are extremly light and comfortablte boot and they have Dri-Lex system in them for added water repellency. They have preformed well in the hot and humid temparture of West Africa and are liked by troops that use them.

[Irish]

Tha Magnum Amazon Jungle Boot is on issue within the Irish Defence Forces to all personnel on overseas deployment to Liberia,Sierra Leone and in Afganistan they are extremly light and comfortablte boot and they have Dri-Lex system in them for added water repellency. They have preformed well in the hot and humid temparture of West Africa and are liked by troops that use them.

yea,there pretty good alright:)

[Noble713]

So I finally got issued my TA-50. I've been here 4 months, and still no rucksack. *sigh* Where's a CIF when you need one.... (apparently halfway across the state).

I noticed we have these new brown boots (Belleville 390s). They have much thicker soles than my old desert boots, which are close to disintegrating. So how good are these Bellevilles? I'm just starting to break them in now, they're a little big, (easily fixed with thicker socks) but otherwise comfortable. Thoughts from the peanut gallery?

Oh yeah, and getting issued Oakley glasses is just plain cool. woot

[GoSka37]

Bellevilles in general are great boots. I'll admit i'm a civvie. But i love combat boots. Every time i got a pair that were either from a specialty company or just Hi-Tec Magnums they always crap out on my in less then six monthes. The Bellevilles i have now have lasted almost a year or more with no troubles or major wear or tear. The only thing i really need are a new pair of Insoles. Either way they are very comfortable.

[SGMGSG9]

I have a year old pair of Belleville 790's. I to got mine a little to wide. But after putting a couple insoles & a pair of thicker socks on there nice to wear! Its like a pair of "ballistic high top sneakers." I work on the range @ F.N. Manufacturing, the place that makes the M240 & M249, S.C.A.R., etc. So I'm around grease & oils of all different kinds. From time to time I get them wet too. I'm a heavy weight dude so they provide plenty of anchel support too. The one feature I have been most impressed with are there laces. They must be kevlar or some equivalent because its been a year now & theirs no sign of wear on the laces. The stuff is so tuff its starting to cut through the steel eyelet's! Let me close with this, my next pair of work boots WILL BE ANOTHER PAIR OF BELLEVILLE'S, when the pair I have now wears out, Some time in the next 6 or 7 months.


P.S. When we get visitors & dignitaries, I notice a lot of the military personnel are wearing Belleville's. It makes me feel good to know I choose my footwear well.

[tahoe]

Soles on the old boots are a typical problem. I have some 390s and 790s now, and love them both. I like the 390s better than my old deserts or even my old Altama jungles.

[kiddnplay]

I've had my boots since summer 05 and they have been through NTC and now 5 months of Iraq. They are still holding up surprisingly well. Bar-none the best boot I have had in 10 years. They break in very well. I would recommend getting some SOF Soles, which you can order through www.brucemedical.com. They are $25.00 a pair, but they are the best insoles I have ever used and they make the boots wear like tennis shoes. The only downside is that the 390s do not come in ripple sole, which in my view would work better over here. I just had my wife order a new pair of 390s and have Ripple soles put on them, so we'll see how those work. I like em.

[James]

I have a pair of B'ville 550s. I put Superfeet insoles in them. They are glorious.

[Apogee]

I've got a pair of 390's and I love them. Took no time at all to break in. I'm taking them with me to Ranger School, so we'll see how they hold up during that craziness.

[IRISH RANGER]

Sorry the belt of ammo is from a M249 SAW. Brought them last year. From War And Peace Show.

Hypno

The m249 S.A.W is 5.56 those rounds in the pick are 7.62????

[Roaming East]

The m249 S.A.W is 5.56 those rounds in the pick are 7.62????
welcome to the show, drinks are to the left. dont think there are any chips left though...

[Till Eulenspiegel]

I am ashamed to admit that I still wear Altama's. Plain leather ones at that. I bought 5.11 insoles for them because the plain insoles started to hurt my feet quite badly. The 5.11 insoles rock. Cheap but great. I recommend them.

I think I met buy a pair of Danner Acadias but I have a hard time justifying the expense over the Bellevilles, however, I hear that they are superior to the Bellevilles in every possible way, and I am not a big spender but when I do buy something I want top quality even if it costs somewhat more.

Here are the Alt's:

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I know, I will clean and shine them before long, I promise...

I get a whole lot more miles out of my Timberlands though:

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They are very comfortable and are amazingly cool in the warmer months are quite warm even on cold days in the winter. Brushing the suede is tedious work and I really don't do it as often as I should, but I can't be bothered to brush them every other day or so. My only complaint is that the soles aren't the best I've ever seen, however, considering my standards and how much I've worn the, they are still excellent. Hey, we Ecco wearers expect the soles to last forever.

[Roaming East]

pshht, i WISH i had Altamas. Im still wearing Wellco basic issue craps.
Until i fully restore my Magnum troopers back to service grade anyway.

[Till Eulenspiegel]

Alrighty, so some of you might have seen in the boots thread two threads or so down that I have (still) Altama's which, frankly, aren't exactly the best anymore. Sure, I could resole them with some nice new Vibram sole but I think it's time to get something more modern, more comfortable, and overall better in every way.

Here is what I want:

1. I must be able to run with ease for short periods in these boots. No, I am not asking for trail shoes/boots or the like, I have a nice Adidas trail pair for that. I just don't want glacier climbing boots that weigh three kilos.

2. Must be waterproof, however, breathality is still a must. I suppose Goretex XCR lining is the best option here but I will settle for anything else just as long as it is reliable and breathable.

3. These boots must be comfortable even when it is reasonably cold but not overheat my feet in even early summer.

4. This is actually the most important thing: The boots must be durable. Price is unimportant really, I just want durable, long-lasting boots.

I am sure someone will ask what enviroments I will be wearing the boots in, so here goes:

Rocky hills, mountain trails, maybe a bit of sand, a fair bit of urban jungle and some of those smooth, shiny floors (So I don't want to slip and break my neck.)

Here is the FINAL (no more recommendations, please, unless they sing for me and can fly) list of what I'm considering (in no specific order):

1. Lowa Kerano GTX Mids:

http://www.lowaboots.com/catalog/ShowBoot.cfm?StockNum=17004536&Category=12&Type=M

2. Danner Desert Eagle GTX (Yeah, I know they are marketed as desert boots):

http://www.danner.com/products.asp?catid=12&prodid=2234

3. Vasque Wasatch GTX (heavier boots) or Vasque Caldera (lighter/hikers)

http://www.vasque.com/products/m-wasatchgtx.cfm
http://www.vasque.com/products/m-caldera.cfm

4. Merrell Phaser Peak Waterproofs:

http://www.merrellboot.com/Shop/Detail.aspx?NavID=FT-O-HIK&PID=8899

5. La Sportiva Pingora GTX and Thunder GTX:

http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/147 (Pingora-lighter)
http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/185 (Thunder-more leather)

6. Raichle Ranger GTX:

http://www.raichle.ch/raichle/katalog.asp?view=detail&did=66&dart=4&tid=4372&sid=2

7. Asolo Speed GTX and Odyssey GTX:

http://www.asolo.com/content.asp?L=3&idMen=277 (Speed)
http://www.asolo.com/content.asp?L=3&idMen=274 (Odyssey)

8. (POTENTIAL SIZE ISSUE) Meindl Bergen MFS or Gomera Men GTX:

http://www.meindl.de/deutsch/modelle...il2.asp?ID=334 (http://www.meindl.de/deutsch/modelle/schuh_detail2.asp?ID=334) (Bergen-Lighter)
http://www.meindl.de/deutsch/modelle...il2.asp?ID=329 (http://www.meindl.de/deutsch/modelle/schuh_detail2.asp?ID=329) (Gomera-Heavier)

However, they only come up to size 12? That is US/UK size, right? Well neither US or UK size 12 is good for me. I have US size 13 feet which would be UK 12.5, and I do want my boots to fit.

9. Haix Airpower P6 Desert:

http://www.haix.de/usa/policemilitary_produktdetail_us.php?artikel=206213

I know I've already mentioned Lowa, Vasque, Asolo, Raichle, Meindl, Haix, and La Sportiva. Are these really all the same, sort of, seen one, seen 'em all? I heard that Lowas are generally more durable than La Sportivas but that Asolos last forever? Anyone actually have any experience with either/all of these?

Lastly: Sorry for the really long post, it really isn't easy to find new boots as there are so many options. I am just trying to narrow down my list of boots that I should hunt down so that I can try them on. I would love to try on all of these but I can only spend so much time finding and traveling to stores where they have these in stock as I don't live in the middle of boot heaven. I hope someone can give me some good advice.

Thanks in advance,

Till E.

ETA: Updated the list. Now I need help eliminating my options.

[Till Eulenspiegel]

pshht, i WISH i had Altamas. Im still wearing Wellco basic issue craps.
Until i fully restore my Magnum troopers back to service grade anyway.

Altamas were my basic issue. I thought that they WERE basic issue before the new no-polish rough-out boots came in in the last few years.

I wouldn't buy these if I had a choice. But I guess getting them "free" was worth it.

[bluffcove]

Where are you planning on Hiking? what season, and what altitude?
Snow is differnt to rock is different to Veld,
Mountaineering or walking, expedition or climbing?

These will help to answer the question.

[Till Eulenspiegel]

Where are you planning on Hiking? what season, and what altitude?
Snow is differnt to rock is different to Veld,
Mountaineering or walking, expedition or climbing?

These will help to answer the question.

Alright, I always like good questions, and these are indeed good.

I plan on hiking/walking in all seasons except summer but even then, I might wear these boots on cooler days or colder places around the world.

I could see anything from a bit of snow to some moderate rocks to lots of mountainous forest trails, gravel roads, maybe a little sand (but not the heat of a desert of anything like that), plenty of rainstorms, a touch of salt water maybe, add a dash of mud, and a healthy dose of built-up town/city streets on my way to the next hill/village/whatever. I wouldn't say I would wear these for mountaineering or climbing, really more like walking, moderate hiking (no big packs or multi-day trips), a bit of sprinting through forests or down some little town's streets, so these must be more asphalt/concrete/slick floor friendly than not. No real heavy, "extreme", or terribly rough use.

I hope this clarifies it a bit.

Thanks,

Till E.

P.S.: Think of this as a pair of boots you could take most places for most common activities where boots may be required/not a hindrance. Boots to go to war in? I don't know. That's really not what I do.

[TallGuy]

I recommend 8" Mountain Hunter boots from Cabela's. I've been wearing these boots for 10 years now and they're still holding up, I don't use them every day, but quite often. They're great in fall, winter, spring and even summer, well, up to 25°C(77°F). They work good in the mountains and in urban areas. They have great ankle support and traction. They're on sale now at Cabela's, only $179, a good price for boots made in Italy...



http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0005204810879a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=mountain+hunter&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=mountain+hunter&noImage=0

[Till Eulenspiegel]

I recommend 8" Mountain Hunter boots from Cabela's. I've been wearing these boots for 10 years now and they're still holding up, I don't use them every day, but quite often. They're great in fall, winter, spring and even summer, well, up to 25°C(77°F). They work good in the mountains and in urban areas. They have great ankle support and traction. They're on sale now at Cabela's, only $179, a good price for boots made in Italy...



http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0005204810879a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=mountain+hunter&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=mountain+hunter&noImage=0

Thanks for the recommendation but I don't know if I really want insulated boots. Besides 3.6lb is a bit heavier than I want. I will certainly keep it in mind though. They sound like my father's Timberlands that he has worn everywhere, and I mean absolutely everywhere, from Canadian snowstorms to Italian beaches to the Rocky Mountains and all over Vienna and Budapest. Those are damn light as well. Too bad they don't make those anymore or that is what I would be buying, especially since they were superlight.

[UNDERDOG1]

I wholeheartedly recommand the ASOLO boots, either the gtx or fsn, they are used by Navy SEALs, usaf PJs and italian navy special forces.

I own a goretex pair that were ABUSED and they hold up extremely well.

Once broken, they are extremely comfortable.

[Catch22]

Add Meindl shoes to your list too. MFS or Island Pro of some version may be the ones you need.

[Freibier]

I'd also add HAIX to the list, www.haix.de (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/www.haix.de)

[Roaming East]

Altamas were my basic issue. I thought that they WERE basic issue before the new no-polish rough-out boots came in in the last few years.

I wouldn't buy these if I had a choice. But I guess getting them "free" was worth it.
your right. My wellcos are the exact same boot, just made by a different contractor

[Till Eulenspiegel]

your right. My wellcos are the exact same boot, just made by a different contractor

So... do you still wish you had my Altamas? p-)

[Till Eulenspiegel]

Add Meindl shoes to your list too. MFS or Island Pro of some version may be the ones you need.

Thanks, but wow... one more option... too many!!! The Bergen MFS or Gomera Men GTX both seem nice though:

http://www.meindl.de/deutsch/modelle/schuh_detail2.asp?ID=334 (Bergen-Lighter)
http://www.meindl.de/deutsch/modelle/schuh_detail2.asp?ID=329 (Gomera-Heavier)

However, they only come up to size 12? That is US/UK size, right? Well neither US or UK size 12 is good for me. I have US size 13 feet which would be UK 12.5, and I do want my boots to fit.

Someone mentioned Haix? What's the take on these? They are expensive, for sure. But they do seem quite good if they supply GSG9 with their boots. Why are there so many choices? Is there any way I should consider eliminating my options (I mean by what aspect should I do it)? I really can't go and try on every single one of these...

The Haix Airpower P6 Desert is very good looking, in any case. I would be all over it like white on rice.

http://www.haix.de/usa/policemilitary_produktdetail_us.php?artikel=206213

Ok, I am going to start eliminating my options based on how "heavy" they are constructionwise (and also, in turn weightwise). I see that I have chosen boots that would be overkill and unnecessarily heavy for my purposes.

[Freibier]

I have the Haix Airpower P2 for several years.
They're very comfy and hold up to quite some abuse. They're not my everyday shoes but I use them when hiking, etc. and I am very satisfied with them.

[uglybaby]

Do you want a a low boot like the hiker style you are looking at or a higher style like the desert boots (danner haix)? I think thats going to be important to decide before you make any choice. They all look like good choices though.

[Howitz]

http://www.altama.com/Tp1/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=3350

these maybe?
A little cheaper, but i know the altamas i have (com-spec jungle boots) have worn like iron, and these seem to be a good boot for running.

http://www.batesfootwear.com/Catalog/buydetail.asp?rnd=1314358&NavID=M:B&ProductID=10135&SizeTypeID=M&NavType=undefined

I have a pair of these on order, I've read nothing but good things about 'em, they make a goretex version also (in black though)

[sgt_ludy]

after years of boot try and error i recommend 5.11 HRT Boot Urban:

http://www.511tactical.com/index.asp?dlrID=511&dept=1&number=11001

[boulderbum]

I have a different version of the Merrell Phasers. The metal lace-loop things chipped when I tied to laces tightly, now the chips are wearing down and snapping the laces.

Other than that they've been good, maybe mine was a lemon. Still something to consider.

[Ruledbyjames]

I have a pair of 790's steel toe. Great boot and very comfortable!!

[sh1ft]

Don't get the desert eagles - they have the worst grip on wet floors of any boot I've tried (and that's alot of boots).

raichle, garmont, merrell are all GTG.

It depends on what fits properly.

What about danner acadias (black goretex versions)?

[Brabo]

I'm about to buy some new (combat)boots.
there are three types I like, but before a choose I want
to here your oppion about these boots.
(They are all around the same price)

HANWAG Special Forces


MEINDL Army Pro


DANNER Striker

[GothicSnake]

I've never heard of the three listed but the last one looks most similar to the pair of Army-issues I have, which are extremely comfortable and durable, so I'd go with #3, depending on the price.

[HOLLiS]

Not everyone has the same feet. A good boot for me maybe wicked on your feet. If you have been fitted by a salesperson who uses the least painful method, go to one that knows aboout feet sizes.

Least painful method, is trying boots on regardless of size until you find one that is least painful to wear.

Not every boot manufacturer uses the same "last" (theoretical foot size) to build their boots on. Also have you feet measure (branock devise) in the unweighted and weighted sized. Check for pronation.

The important length is not toe length, it is arch length. Wearing bigger boots, the widest part of your foot will fall back towards the thinest part of the boot, arch.

Look at your feet, a flat heel, and scrunched up toes, and callous mean your BOOTS are not fitted properly. If you are prone to feet problems see a good boot fitter.

[Fisch]

I made very good experiences with the Lowa Combat Boot. It's comfortable but yet durable.
You can find it here (http://www.lhd-shop.de/Product.lhd?product=40100014) but the link is in german...

[cosimo]

I can vouch for the quality of the meindl boots. I've subjected mine to some pretty heavy use for the last two years and they're still going strong. They were comfortable straight from the box. I used them for a fifteen mile hike when I first bought them with no blisters or discomfort at the end. I packed my old boots just in case. As Hollis said fit is everything. You must try them on first, don't just order them from the net unless the store will allow you to return them. Hanwag and Lowa boots are of similar quality and reputation as Meindl. I get to meet a lot of HM forces training in the hills and nearly all use Lowa, Meindl and Hanwag if they have the cash for them. Danner not easy to get hold of where I am and I don't know anyone who has used them. The boot shown above does not look as capable for prolonged mountain or backcountry use. Looks more like a high speed kind of boot. If that cordura wets out it will stay wet for days.

[TacoDelRio]

While on the topic, has anyone here used Asolo semi-rigid boots in a military environment?

[crazyman]

i went and got myself a pair of 5.11 boots, no complaints here. used em on a 10 mile ruck march about a week after getting them, no blisters or hot spots or anything. other'n them, id recommend the RFI-issued hot weather bellevilles. wore em every day in iraq, and i swear by the things.

[Roaming East]

never had an ounce of complaint over my Magnum Troopers. Had them for over 5 years and its like wearing custom fit sneakers (especially after having worn crappy issue gear)

[Ezekiel25:17]

I had the Danner Acadia. It was a good boot.

[gaijinsamurai]

Danners are great boots. I also recommend Corcorans (the non-paratrooper model).

[11BravoAlpha]

Go for HanWag!
Recently bought my second pair of HanWags and I love them!
Especially if your feet are wide, they offer a perfect fit and the craftsmanship put into these boots is really outstanding.
They`re wholly German engineered and made, they`re actually from Bavariawoot

[Brabo]

Great info,

But are the open hooks (lowa / meindl) no-problem to wear?

And should I go for a High or medium high boot?

[Mountain Man]

X2 on the Danners. Wear them everyday and just bought my second pair. The last ones lasted 3 years. I only bought the second pair so I had a street pair to keep nice and shiney and the old pair is retired for the range.

And yes, you need to get what fits the best for you above all.

[scrybe]

I haven't tried the other brands, but I've owned three pairs of Danners; 2 pairs of Acadias and 1 pair of Steal-Toed Quarrys. They make great products.

[Digital Marine]

Check out www.bellevilleshoe.com (http://www.bellevilleshoe.com)

I have the 700's, they are very comfortable.

[OMON]

meindl !

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[OMON]

* double post

[Grimm]

I have a pair of Haix Tibet. Extremly happy with them.
They look a lot like those meindl boots.. Go for Meindl!

[CQB_Operator]

HANWAG or Meindl but certainly not the Danner

[Brabo]

Check out www.bellevilleshoe.com (http://www.bellevilleshoe.com)

I have the 700's, they are very comfortable.

I'm from the Netherlands too
but were can i buy and try these boots
they look nice
and most the same as danner

[Digital Marine]

I'm from the Netherlands too
but were can i buy and try these boots
they look nice
and most the same as danner

I didn't try them, i hear its a big no-no to buy boots before trying them on.. but mine were perfect... i think i just got lucky.

The closest place where i know you can get them is here in Italy:

http://www.arcoefrecce.it/softair/type.asp?ID_tipo=9020

I would recommend buying them from there because the import taxes i had to pay for the US shipment were crazy! since Italy is inside the EU.. you will not have that problem.

[Hypno85]

never heard of those makers but i like the HANWAG Special Forces. Might have to look into getting some of them my Standard supplyed boots are ok but need some better ones for work.

[Ruledbyjames]

Id say about 90% of the Irish army wear Meindl. It seems like everyone has a pair.

[USMC Tanker]

I'm thinking about buying a pair of Magnum Amazon 4 Desert Boots. Pictured below:




From what I hear, they're light, comfortable, and feel more like tennis shoes than a heavy pair of boots. Sounds good to me, especially for when the CO gets a hankering for a boots and ute's run through the trails. Anyone have any first hand experience with these boots?

[USMC Tanker]

Bump? Any help is appreciated guys...

[spectre17]

friends of mine have had waterpoofing problems with the black boots... the build quality wasn't that good with the magnums either... then again it might have just been a dodgy pair and dodgy care

[CPLHUNTER]

I'm thinking about buying a pair of Magnum Amazon 4 Desert Boots. Pictured below:

From what I hear, they're light, comfortable, and feel more like tennis shoes than a heavy pair of boots. Sounds good to me, especially for when the CO gets a hankering for a boots and ute's run through the trails. Anyone have any first hand experience with these boots?

Never worn them before but they get good reviews online. I'm sure they're alot more comfortable than my Bates...

[bandaid]

I have a pair and like them,don't know how good for long term heavy use,I've only had them for a short time.

[croberts038]

they're pretty good. the sole is soft and absorbs around rocks and stuff while other boots with stiffer soles, the whole boot tends to shift when you step on a rock. if they're good enough for the brits....

[andehbrown]

Really comfortable, and the tennis shoe comment is pretty much spot on but they WILL fall apart quite rapidly.

[James]

I knew some guys who tried to wear the old HiTecs in 29 Palms in the 90s. A new pair of boots wouldn't last a week in the field. I guess their okay for urban stuff, but that's it.

[SamHamam]

They were British army issue for some time, possibly the worst boot I've had on issue and as a British Soldier that's saying something. Fine for trips to the pub in the UK but far too hot in Iraq, very little ankle spport. Absolutly nothing good to say about them as an operational boot.

My blokes and I bought Altbergs or Meindels in the UK or the US issue desert boot (the jungle boot design like the previous UK boot) from the US PX to replace them.

[TacoDelRio]

i've got a pair. Took a year before I wore the soles down to the point where I didn't have any good grip.

I like them. They're Chinese, but they're of good quality, and not too pricey. I might buy some of them Blackhawk boots, and if so, I'll let you know how those work out.

[Mountain Man]

I would never go back to Mags. I would wear the stealths for 6-7 months on the street everyday. Never had a pair last more than that without literally falling apart. The shank also would break after 4-5 months and the dang things would creak/squeak. Switched to Danners and have bought 2 pairs in the last 4 years. I just replaced my first pair and retired them to range duty only because they would not shine up anymore.

Benefit of the Danners too is that you can resole them! Some people do not like the weight but I don't notice it.

[Brabo]

Buy these



They cost around 160 euro

[kk111]

the successor of the "meindl desert fox":

Meindl Safari (New 2006)

145 Euro (in germany)

[DnA]

I got a pair of magnum stealths, for walking around in Garrison or doing FIBUA they are alright, but for the field they suck, thought I was gonna break my ankles when I wore them on a FTX awhile ago. On uneven terrain they are horrible, atleast thats been my experiance with them.

[nickdrak]

the successor of the "meindl desert fox":

Meindl Safari (New 2006)

145 Euro (in germany)

Nice! Are those available in a shorter (maybe 6") version? Do they offer wide widths?

[Laconian]

I wore through a couple of pairs of the black ones on the street and I'll never buy another pair. I just got a pair of the 5.11 HRT boots in desert and they seem pretty decent. I haven't run any trails yet, just normal wear for a day or two.

[Jabroni]

Sod the Magnums off although theyre good, Buy a pair of Corcorans, They were originally made for Paratroops and are now made in Desert Suede, Corcoran also makes magnum type boots too

http://www.shoestoboot.com/corcoran_boots.cfm

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=L&ai=BkMknV8-nRJmxO6i6QuTW9b0JhaaGEYH38_IB2Z-L-wqA8QQIABACGAIoAjgAQIoWSJo5UPvp5pkGyAEBlQJJShAKqQLtSTWqktO-PsgC1eo9&q=http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/710-35650-5910-0%3FRedirectEnter%26mpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%252Fcorcoran-boots_W0QQsocolumnlayoutZ4QQsocomparecolumnlayoutZ1QQsonewuserZ1QQsosortorderZ1QQsosortpropertyZ1%26keyword%3Dcorcoran%2520boots

[Brabo]

Meindl is ok then,

But does all those open hooks work fine?

[OMON]

Meindl is ok then,

But does all those open hooks work fine?



ye sure, i would choose for meidl

[Jabroni]

If anyone is a Paratrooper or related to Airborne Forces, You will love Corcorans

[Jabroni]

If anyone is a Paratrooper or related to Airborne Forces, You will love Corcorans








Established since WW2, Corcoran have made decent boots especially for Paratroops and have became popular with SF units worldwide

[Sneeker]

What are you? A rep for these guys?

[James]

Wow! We've never ever heard of those before! Thanks for the info!

[scrybe]

Wow! We've never ever heard of those before! Thanks for the info!

That deserves an LOL.

[Boina verde]

If anyone is a Paratrooper or related to Airborne Forces, You will love Corcorans



This boat locks very much alike the Portuguese PQ boats.

[RGRBOX]

I still have my original pair, that are a half size too small now.. anyway, you can pretty much kiss them goodbye... the change in uniforms witht he ACUs, and the Drees Blues will probably mean the end to wearing them.. I hope it doesn't but you the way the people up top are working to try to get rid of the spcial in the look of the US jump status units will probably spell the end.. first the beret, and now this...

[Slater]

From Defenselink:



Wellco Enterprises, Inc.,Waynesville, N.C.,* is being awarded a maximum $19,947,973 fixed-price with economic price adjustment contract for infantry combat boots. The using services are Army and Air Force. Other locations of performance are in Puerto Rico. This is an indefinite-delivery/quantity-type five-year contract exercising option year three. There were 70 proposals solicited and three responded. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The date of performance completion is July 9, 2007. Contracting activity is DSCP, Philadelphia, Pa. (SPO100-03-D-0320).



Wolverine World Wide, Rockford, Mich., is being awarded a maximum $20,763,841 fixed-price with economic price adjustment contract for infantry combat boots. The using services are Army and Air Force. Other locations of performance are in Arkansas. This is an indefinite-delivery/quantity-type five-year contract exercising option year four. There were 70 proposals solicited and nine responded. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The date of performance completion is July 9, 2007. Contracting activity is DSCP, Philadelphia, Pa. (SPO100-03-D-0321).



Belleville Shoe Mfg. Co. *, Belleville, Ill., is being awarded a maximum $19,861,853 fixed-price with economic price adjustment contract for infantry combat boots. The using services are Army and Air Force. Other locations of performance are in Arkansas. This is an indefinite-delivery/quantity-type five-year contract exercising option year three. There were 70 proposals solicited and nine responded. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The date of performance completion is July 9, 2007. Contracting activity is DSCP, Philadelphia, Pa. (SPO100-03-D-0322).


I knew that Belleville and Wellco were established sources, but is Wolverine a recent entrant into this market?

[Howitz]

Wolverine owns Bates, so not really.

[Boina verde]

You don't have a diferent beret?

[RGRBOX]

You don't have a diferent beret?

They gave the Black Beret to the legs in the Army.. and the Rgrs changed to the Khaki (Sand Color) Beret..

[Brabo]

I've seen some of those American made boots.
Don't like it. Is stick to the German made boots like
Meindl or hanwag.

Thanks for all the info

[OMON]

I've seen some of those American made boots.
Don't like it. Is stick to the German made boots like
Meindl or hanwag.

Thanks for all the info

MEINDL !!!!!!!!

[Tamir]

Do meindl have a different site listing their army model? I can find this boot on their site http://www.meindl.de

[buckeyedoc]

I still have my original pair, that are a half size too small now.. anyway, you can pretty much kiss them goodbye... the change in uniforms witht he ACUs, and the Drees Blues will probably mean the end to wearing them.. I hope it doesn't but you the way the people up top are working to try to get rid of the spcial in the look of the US jump status units will probably spell the end.. first the beret, and now this...

Still have mine too. Loved them. When the Army was talking about new dress uniforms, I was hoping they would bring back the WWII era style uniforms. I would like to see the brown Corcorans back in service. Oh well. I did buy a pair of Corcoran Maurader boots and loved them. They were the most comfortable boot I've owned.

[ZaakM433]

I didnt know that Wolverine owns Bates, did they acquire them recently? Ive noticed that the shoes and boots marketed as Wolverine have been changing their image lately.