Georgian (Gruzia) army [Archive]

wolfrider

06-23-2006, 10:12 AM

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Adax

06-23-2006, 10:18 AM

Nice photos, thx

Luno

06-23-2006, 10:21 AM

Great photos mate :)
And I have a question the gun at the bottom on this picture is that an artillery gun or and Antitank gun?
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koolkat

06-23-2006, 10:30 AM

d30 artillery gun 122mm. And is that a Dana 152mm SPG?

VPR

06-23-2006, 10:57 AM

nice pics, but all the equipment is Russian right?

nuedel

06-23-2006, 11:14 AM

looks like a Dana 152mm SPG

Angrykirill

06-23-2006, 11:20 AM

Zuzana not Dana.

tribal

06-23-2006, 11:38 AM

3..2..1 until RUSSIA STRONG!!! crowd accuses the Gruzini of being incompetent lackeys of U.S.

StukaJr

06-23-2006, 11:53 AM

That's not Georgian Army

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4206/00018l2qi.jpg

Those are US Troops - summer of 2002, I believe. The forces that went to the Beacon of Freedom to teach the Georgians how to throw handgrenades, amongst other things.

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Can someone comment on the usefulness of such varied array of inderect (and direct) fire weapons in a training situation?

Brzeczyszczykiewicz

06-23-2006, 12:05 PM

Zuzana not Dana.

It is Dana. Zuzana has been only sold to Greece, IIRC.

Hellfish

06-23-2006, 12:07 PM

That's not Georgian Army

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4389/00042l2ii.jpg

Can someone comment on the usefulness of such varied array of inderect (and direct) fire weapons in a training situation?

I'm thinking its a firepower demonstration. Looks like they're all doing direct firing.

Heron

06-23-2006, 12:26 PM

nice pics, but all the equipment is Russian right?
they got western style helmet p-)

cinoeye

06-23-2006, 12:29 PM

Nice topic and photos, thanks for this!

I'mOnlyHalfPolish

06-23-2006, 12:48 PM

cinoeye

06-23-2006, 12:54 PM

DO they have their own camo pattern, or they only US woodland?

tribal

06-23-2006, 12:58 PM

since when do US troops go into training or combat with AKs?

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I'mOnlyHalfPolish

06-23-2006, 01:05 PM

FYI the georgian military has its own fleet of UH-1 Iroquois

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/Assets/2005/Air_Force/DF-SD-05-12282.JPG

Georgian Army UH-1 Iroquois helicopters take off from Vaziani Air Base (AB), country of Georgia transporting simulated earthquake victims to nearby medical facilities for further care during a mass casualty exercise.

http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=487

read the third paragraph...

TR1

06-23-2006, 01:08 PM

Why the **** did they buy Hueys????(aside from whoring up to the US)
They had a plenty large fleet of Hips...many more in storage..could have been refubrished for cheaper.

Hellfish

06-23-2006, 01:12 PM

I think they were donated by the US. We've got a couple thousand laying around with many years of service life left in them.

TR1

06-23-2006, 01:13 PM

I think they were donated by the US. We've got a couple thousand laying around with many years of service life left in them.

oh, yeah...i think I read something about that.

I'mOnlyHalfPolish

06-23-2006, 01:23 PM

donated by the US and the Turks, there were some stipulations and some bargaining to the agreement for refueling and training and such

StukaJr

06-23-2006, 01:34 PM

since when do US troops go into training or combat with AKs?

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I see no AK's - maybe one RPK-74, but no AK's. Here is the larger version of that image:

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Military_Desktop_Wallpapers/aat

Weapons don't identify the soldiers. Also, that picture is from the 2002, when 200 or so US Army instructors went to Georgia to train the Georgian Military... The picture is from such an exersise. I remember reading quotes that the soldiers in the picture are American.

daily666

06-23-2006, 01:34 PM

Look preety, preety, thanks for pics and more please.

I'mOnlyHalfPolish

06-23-2006, 01:40 PM

koutch

06-23-2006, 01:47 PM

Georgian spetznaz with bacteriogical WMD
http://www.russianhome.com/borjomi/05.jpg

johanness

06-23-2006, 01:48 PM

nice pix, thx for sharing them

daily666

06-23-2006, 01:53 PM

Georgian spetznaz with bacteriogical WMD
http://www.russianhome.com/borjomi/05.jpg

Isn't that, this famous BORJOMI water that was banned by Russia?

koutch

06-23-2006, 02:00 PM

Thats why i posted it :D
And it is Borjomi, and after i bought some here, i understood why it's banned, it tastes like the rusty water coming from those 5-story communist appartment blocks faucets.

StukaJr

06-23-2006, 02:06 PM

there is nothing to identify them other than weaponry...and that sh*t is not american. as for the western style camo its all part of westernizing their military and their attempt at getting into the NATO sphere of influence.

I wasn't idenitifying, I was simply refering to the fact that I have previously saw that pic stating that the troops in that very picture were American.

Camo - exactly! When I said "gear" - I meant their rucks, harnesses and other items that appear to be missing from the equipment of their Georgian counterparts from other pictures. I remind you, this is 2002 and I haven't seen any evidence that Georgian troops had more than a basic harness with a few pouches and a canteen cover as part of their load bearing equipment - leave alone the knowledge how to actually pack their rucks like that :)

johanness

06-23-2006, 02:24 PM

Thats why i posted it :D
And it is Borjomi, and after i bought some here, i understood why it's banned, it tastes like the rusty water coming from those 5-story communist appartment blocks faucets.

Maybe you bought it from russians or polands.

The real borjomi is one of the finest water in the world...and known for it

daily666

06-23-2006, 02:36 PM

Maybe you bought it from russians or polands.

The real borjomi is one of the finest water in the world...and known for it

Why Russians or "Polands"? Are we famous for selling fake Georgian mineral water?

I don't want make any political statements here but I agree with koutch, it tastes like it's been taken from a battery of some kind. Some may like it but dunno what makes it so wonderful.

StukaJr

06-23-2006, 02:39 PM

Why Russians or "Polands"? Are we famous for selling fake Georgian mineral water?

I don't want make any political statements here but I agree with koutch, it tastes like it's been taken from a battery of some kind. Some may like it but dunno what makes it so wonderful.

It was suppose to have healing/cleansing qualities - it was told to be good for the kidneys or so I was told. It does have a strong taste for mineral water but then many mineral waters do - depends on the source and the "minerals" I suppose.

What was the exact reason it was banned?

daily666

06-23-2006, 03:14 PM

It was suppose to have healing/cleansing qualities - it was told to be good for the kidneys or so I was told. It does have a strong taste for mineral water but then many mineral waters do - depends on the source and the "minerals" I suppose.

What was the exact reason it was banned?

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060506/47619386.html

johanness

06-23-2006, 03:53 PM

johanness

06-23-2006, 03:55 PM

political...sometimes I write to fast

TR1

06-23-2006, 04:19 PM

georgian wine is decent......

Digimon

06-23-2006, 04:22 PM

So you believe russian embargo for georgian wine and other goods was because of real quality problems?

Or maybe it have some plitical reasons?

If you have the money,try some georgian wine and judge yourself.

It does seem that it was a quality issue to a large extent.

Why to a large extent? Because not banning it was a political decision, just like the decision not to raise prices on gas, or the decision to allow unimpeded imports of low quality products from former Soviet Republics, simply because their economies depended on them. So, politically, something had to change to stop that practice, and to that extent, an independently justified decision was also a political one.

If Russia banned “Perrier” I would not hesitate very much before concluding that it was largely a political decision. I would hesitate to think that “Perrier” has a quality problem, i.e. that the decision to ban it could be justified on independent grounds. This is not so with regards to Bargzhomi, or any other product coming from a country with a rundown economy, high corruption levels, and lack of competitive markets. The chances that Bargzhomi is not from the source, but simply the tab water with sodium added, are so much greater when it comes from the same country that produces 20 times more wine than all of its vineyards combined would allow.

johanness

06-23-2006, 04:36 PM

Seems like a problem of russian black market.

Put an embargo on Germany if polands sell you Polski Fiat and declare you
they are Mecedes Benz's?

Max Power9999

06-23-2006, 05:11 PM

Seems like a problem of russian black market.

Put an embargo on Germany if polands sell you Polski Fiat and declare you
they are Mecedes Benz's?

And what if the Fiats, declared as Mercedes, come from Germany?

Switek

06-23-2006, 05:11 PM

Seems like a problem of russian black market.

Put an embargo on Germany if polands sell you Polski Fiat and declare you
they are Mecedes Benz's?

I am sorry to inform you that there is no poroduction of Polski Fiat in Poland anymore. There is produced only Fiat (few models) as only brand.... :-(

Why Vatican declared that small fiat (126p) is an only saint car? Couse theorethically you can not make a sin inside.

As a former user of small Fiat I declare that's not the truth. You can make a sin inside... (a matter of proper technique...)rofl rofl rofl

Digimon

06-23-2006, 05:25 PM

Seems like a problem of russian black market.

Put an embargo on Germany if polands sell you Polski Fiat and declare you
they are Mecedes Benz's?

Even barring the fact that it was explicitly acknowledged by Georgian officials that the problem with Barzhomi’s sodium levels is that too much was “put in” when it was prepared, and the fact that Georgia imports Moldovian wine for re-labelling and subsequent re-export to Russia, the national identity of the counterfeit product can be determined by comparing quantities imported into Russia (customs declarations) to quantities produced by Georgia for export. The discrepancy represents the counterfeit product that Russia had nothing to do with.

Your response implies that Georgians are decent and Russians are scum, although I do not suggest that you meant it this way. Nevertheless, I think that the situation is less complex. I am far from saying that counterfeit products are not produced within Russia – both, Georgian mineral water and Georgian wine is a lucrative brand in Russia. But it is precisely because the brand had traditionally enjoyed such high esteem that almost anything could be sold under their labels. Given this fact, limited resources, and lack of enforced quality control, I seriously doubt that Georgian producers would abstain from abusing the situation, just as I doubt that Russian producers would. The problem is not that Georgians make bad wine, the problem is that making wine is a business, and business goes where money is. And as long as quality controls are not enforced, counterfeit market has a huge potential for profit, much larger, indeed, than the market for the real deal.

VPR

06-23-2006, 05:38 PM

Georgian spetznaz with bacteriogical WMD
http://www.russianhome.com/borjomi/05.jpg

rofl fu.cking brilliant rofl

Mr.Armageddon

06-23-2006, 08:23 PM

DO they have their own camo pattern, or they only US woodland?
It's woodland.

StukaJr

06-23-2006, 10:02 PM

Watching these threads hi-jack is like an ADD kid making a Christmas Wishlist...

With that said, my memories of Borjomi are from the Soviet Russia - where there weren't any chlorine or urine in it :D

Alan

06-23-2006, 10:41 PM

Oh boy , look at all the pretty targets for Ossetians to shoot at.

Georgian Army.. I'm sorry, but I just can't say it with a straight face.

God couldn't turn Georgians into an army.

rhino

06-23-2006, 10:51 PM

Oh boy , look at all the pretty targets for Ossetians to shoot at.

Georgian Army.. I'm sorry, but I just can't say it with a straight face.

God couldn't turn Georgians into an army.

yet they are independent, hmmmmm

Thank You, God

I would ask what happen to punishing blesphemy but I trust it all takes time
Amen

Alan

06-23-2006, 10:54 PM

yet they are independent, hmmmmm

Thank You, God

I would ask what happen to punishing blesphemy but I trust it all takes time
Amen

Independant from who? Who wants them?

Russia? Don't make me laugh.

And Georgians are not ones to speak of independance, not so long as they continue to opress my people with their fascist little genocide attempts.

Pfft, and some army, lat time we had about a 300 to 1 kill count on them, and all that considering that the entire population of South Ossetia is about 70,000.

rhino

06-23-2006, 10:59 PM

Independant from who? Who wants them?

Russia? Don't make me laugh.

And Georgians are not ones to speak of independance, not so long as they continue to opress my people with their fascist little genocide attempts.

Pfft, and some army, lat time we had about a 300 to 1 kill count on them, and all that considering that the entire population of South Ossetia is about 70,000.

I think you mixing up the definition of independence

here (thank you wikipedia.org)
Independence is self-government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-government) of a nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation), country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country), or state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State) by its residents and population, generally exercising sovereignty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty).
The term independence is used in contrast to subjugation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjugation), which refers to a region as a "territory" —subject to the political and military control of an external government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governing_body). The word is sometimes used in a weaker sense to contrast with hegemony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony), the indirect control of one nation by another, more powerful nation.
Independence can be the initial status of an emerging nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation) (often filling a political void), but is often an emancipation from some dominating power. It can be argued that independence is a negative definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Negative_definition&action=edit): the state of not being controlled by another power through colonialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism), expansionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansionism) or imperialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism). Independence may be obtained by decolonization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization), or by separation or dismemberment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismemberment).

Alan

06-23-2006, 11:09 PM

I think you mixing up the definition of independence

Russia isn't after Georgia's soveregnity, Georgia doesen't matter.

However, Georgia claims that Russia wants to take Ankhasia and Ossetia from them.

Well, now I have to get righteously pissed.

How can someone take away something that doesen't belong to Georgia in the first place.

One, Ossetia and Abkhasia do not wish to be a part of Georgia, as they never were culturally, ethnically or Historically. And if they wish to be independant, it's their right.

Georgia has NO claim over South Ossetia on any grounds whatsoever, it was NEVER their land, and never will be.

The Georgians tried to genocide the South Ossetians TWICE!

Where is justice, huh?

I want freedom for Ossetia, we WANT TO BE A PART OF RUSSIA! That is the Ossetian will. The Georgians have no right to tell us with whom we belong.

They attack Tskhinval again and heaven help them, because that will be it, the final straw. The Ossetians will fight back with everything they have[and that's more weapons than Georgia thanks to our president], and we'll whip the ALL OVER AGAIN!

YRISTON DJIGITI URA!!!!

rhino

06-23-2006, 11:30 PM

Russia isn't after Georgia's soveregnity, Georgia doesen't matter.

However, Georgia claims that Russia wants to take Ankhasia and Ossetia from them.

Well, now I have to get righteously pissed.

How can someone take away something that doesen't belong to Georgia in the first place.

One, Ossetia and Abkhasia do not wish to be a part of Georgia, as they never were culturally, ethnically or Historically. And if they wish to be independant, it's their right.

Georgia has NO claim over South Ossetia on any grounds whatsoever, it was NEVER their land, and never will be.

The Georgians tried to genocide the South Ossetians TWICE!

Where is justice, huh?

I want freedom for Ossetia, we WANT TO BE A PART OF RUSSIA! That is the Ossetian will. The Georgians have no right to tell us with whom we belong.

They attack Tskhinval again and heaven help them, because that will be it, the final straw. The Ossetians will fight back with everything they have[and that's more weapons than Georgia thanks to our president], and we'll whip the ALL OVER AGAIN!

YRISTON DJIGITI URA!!!!

obviesly being a resident of the parts you have a better view of what is going on there, here I have a different view, for me you want to be a part of one not the other? your choice. god bless you on your way out. to belive that russia doesnt have its fingers in politics of the region is naive, do they want Georgia back? not likely. do they want to influence Gruzia's politycs? most fvcking likely! are the Osetians and Abhasians being used as a pawns in a bigger chess game? it does look like it, but its a view from here so it is different like I said.

sh1t! Djigit- that one I havent hear in a long time

TR1

06-24-2006, 12:39 AM

Brute

06-24-2006, 01:58 AM

do they want to influence Gruzia's politycs? most fvcking likely!

I see only one reason why Russia would want to influence Gruzia's politics right now, and it is to stop them from bringing NATO to its door step.

Polyshot

06-24-2006, 02:25 AM

http://www.abkhazeti.ru/new/modules/typetool/pnincludes/uploads/00034l.jpg

What other things did the Bundeswehr donated to them besides these old style steel helmets with Flecktarn camo helmet cover?

wolfrider

06-24-2006, 08:33 AM

I see only one reason why Russia would want to influence Gruzia's politics right now, and it is to stop them from bringing NATO to its door step.
NATO influence in Gruzia its more about future Russia concerns. Today Chechen separatists based in Gruzia is headach for Russian army in Chechnia.

johanness

06-24-2006, 08:53 PM

Even barring the fact that it was explicitly acknowledged by Georgian officials that the problem with Barzhomi’s sodium levels is that too much was “put in” when it was prepared, and the fact that Georgia imports Moldovian wine for re-labelling and subsequent re-export to Russia, the national identity of the counterfeit product can be determined by comparing quantities imported into Russia (customs declarations) to quantities produced by Georgia for export. The discrepancy represents the counterfeit product that Russia had nothing to do with.

Your response implies that Georgians are decent and Russians are scum, although I do not suggest that you meant it this way. Nevertheless, I think that the situation is less complex. I am far from saying that counterfeit products are not produced within Russia – both, Georgian mineral water and Georgian wine is a lucrative brand in Russia. But it is precisely because the brand had traditionally enjoyed such high esteem that almost anything could be sold under their labels. Given this fact, limited resources, and lack of enforced quality control, I seriously doubt that Georgian producers would abstain from abusing the situation, just as I doubt that Russian producers would. The problem is not that Georgians make bad wine, the problem is that making wine is a business, and business goes where money is. And as long as quality controls are not enforced, counterfeit market has a huge potential for profit, much larger, indeed, than the market for the real deal.

THX a lot for your informations.most of them were new for me

after I respeak with some georgians,it's true what you said

even in georgia you can be selled "georgian wine" made of coloured sugar-
water.......for 15euro a bottle

it's a shame

I was in Georgia 1 year ago for holliday,and got a taste for the originall wine
made by natives...and was really the best wine i ever drink

best regards

johanness

Digimon

06-25-2006, 12:10 AM

NATO influence in Gruzia its more about future Russia concerns. Today Chechen separatists based in Gruzia is headach for Russian army in Chechnia.

What you have to do now is simple: connect the two dots... you are almost there.

Considering that the factors at play are: Chechnya, border, Georgia, terrorism, what would make NATO a headache? The essential element is that air strikes on the territory of Georgia and air strikes on the territory of a NATO member are quite different issues, with largely different implications. No country wants to be in a position of Israel, which has to concern itself with Palestinian refugee camps functioning as support bases in Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon. But, for obvious reasons, Israel’s position would be even less enviable if these countries were members of NATO, while Israel was not.

wolfrider

06-25-2006, 06:22 PM

Lazarou

06-25-2006, 06:34 PM

Digimon

06-25-2006, 07:40 PM

I dont believe NATO will include Gruzia with several thousands terrorists in "Pankijskoe uschelie". And if it will happen, Russia will not have problem (no political no moral) to bomb any targets in Gruzia. Do you really believe NATO will start a war (of any kind) with Russia because of Gruzia?

If the only measure of what constitutes a political problem was a war then maybe there is no problem. Unfortunately this is not so. Air strikes on the territory of another state are illegal under international law, and while air strike against a pharmaceutical plant in some state like Sudan - which lacks both legitimacy in the eyes of international community and a possibility of independent verification of the level of threat such structures represent – maybe a grey area, strikes against a NATO member are not. Russia considers Zakaev a terrorist, but Britain, where he has a refugee status, does not. And while people like that do have a tendency to get blown up in Saudi Arabia, this tendency goes down to zero when they move to London. NATO umbrella over Georgia is not a military problem, it is a political problem – the umbrella of international legitimacy. Therefore, when what is basically a terrorist base near the border with Chechnya becomes a refugee camp in the eyes of the international community, the setback to Russian attempts to resolve the problems in Chechnya are enormous.

Would NATO risk a war with Russia over Georgia? Whatever the answer is, it is beside the point. If Russia needed no other means to protect its interests than nuclear deterrent, then it would quickly reduce to the status of North Korea. Russia does not risk a war, it risks losing international legitimacy in the way it defines and solves its problems, and as Iraq War has shown, this is a very serious problem indeed.

mladina

06-27-2006, 03:15 AM

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Are these guys members of special forces brigade? They are armed with H&K G36 wright? Any photos of them? Strangely Georians are using also hungarian AMD - 65...

wolfrider

06-27-2006, 11:17 AM

G-e-o-r-g-i-a
Too many people confusing it with US state, but yes you are right

wolfrider

06-27-2006, 11:31 AM

Air strikes on the territory of another state are illegal under international law Oh, come on, we both know what worse this international law - strong side is always right. Examples? US: Panama, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Iraq and few more. USSR - Hungary, Chekhoslovakia, Afghanistan, GEORGIA. Israel - Lebanon. Need more?
Russia considers Zakaev a terrorist, but Britain, where he has a refugee status, does not.
Perfect example of impotence of international law.
Therefore, when what is basically a terrorist base near the border with Chechnya becomes a refugee camp in the eyes of the international community, ...
Here again - he who pays to the girl (international media) same who are dancing her (international law).

Digimon

06-28-2006, 12:51 AM

If you can bring the examples of US doing air strikes on NATO members then maybe these instances could be relevant to the argument. Examples of Panama, and other states outside of NATO, only serve to illustrate my point about why NATO in Georgia is a serious problem for Russia. It is quite important for Russia to keep Georgia in a status similar to Panama, for reasons I have already listed.

Whether International Law is impotent or not is beside the point. International Politics, just like internal politics, are about perceptions, not about truth. What is essential for political success on the international scene, is not that you know that you are right, but that others think that you are. Kim Jong Il could be an angel who is tragically misunderstood, but that is certainly of little help to his country.

To illustrate my point about perceptions and legitimacy I would like to point out to a recent event – the appointment of Umarov as the President and Basaev as the vice-President of Ichkeria. This appointment is a great victory for Russia for it completely deligitimizes in the eyes of the international community all efforts by the secessionists. This was made possible because Russia consistently removed all of the secessionist leaders who had at least some semblance of legitimacy, reasonableness, and moderation in the eyes (mind you) of the said community. No individual who has admitted responsibility for Beslan will ever be recognized, engaged - not to mention supported - by any self-respecting state, and none of them could blame Russia for refusing to negotiate. This loss of legitimacy for the secessionists – who are now firmly seen as terrorists - and the gain in legitimacy for the Russian political efforts in Caucasus is a fundamental shift from the situation that had developed in the mid 90’s.

wolfrider

06-28-2006, 08:28 AM

When you said international law I supposed we talk about a law approved by majority of worlds countries - UN for example, but then you returned to previous topic about NATO members. Why? They have other law then rest of the world? Or legitimacy of all their actions presumed doesnt matter if they right or no? Beslan school attackers and their leaders still supported by UK and Scandinavian countries. What international law says about that?
Law is like a stick - it has two sides (sorry for bad translation, but you know what I mean?). What side to use decides those who have the power to decide (and to achive the decision goals) . As to NATO members let me remind you about Turkey and Greece, how many times they violated international law and what was NATO/US reaction.
In order to end offtopic part - I agree with you that if Georgia will be NATO member it will be much more difficult to Russia to decide to bomb some targets in Georgia. But if NATO will close their eyes on terrorists activities over there, NATO will violate international laws and it will be much more easy to Russia to legitimate bombing. As for targets, what NATO will say about bombing of terrorists camps? Those are our terrorists, dont touch them? (what they are actually doing now with chechens in London).

TacoDelRio

06-28-2006, 09:12 AM

Good photos. I guess we know where our old TA50 is going! Creating some sore backs in Georgia!

Good stuff.

Alan

06-28-2006, 12:43 PM

Too many people confusing it with US state, but yes you are right

If you folks aim for name authenticity, then it's Sakartvello.

And Ossetia would either be Alania or Yriston.

wolfrider

06-28-2006, 03:25 PM

Alania is understood - good football club :-)

Digimon

06-30-2006, 07:43 PM

When you said that the actions of the NATO are presumed to be right, you got your finger on it. I am saying precisely that. I am not justifying it, I am simply pointing out that it is a game of a sort: there is a certain naiveté within the core of the NATO countries that paints the whole world in black and white, and they are never in the black by definition. This conviction is simply a fact, that perhaps could be eroded over time, but, at this time a fact nevertheless. You recognise this fact, and now all that remains is to recognise that as far as international politics are concerned it is one of the most important ones.

When I speak of legitimacy that NATO membership extends, I do not mean legitimacy as some abstract property reflected in the eyes of God, rather, I mean the principle: “he is my buddy, he can do no wrong”. It is a bit more complex than that, but in the final analysis The Great Game of international politics is about getting the critical mass on your side, and the truth does not stand for much...

Hence, NATO in the south Caucasus is a serious problem.

haze99

07-16-2006, 08:53 PM

Yes, the Republic of Georgia has imported Romanian Model-1963 (AKM) rifles and PSL sniper rifles. (though I have only seen these in use during training.)
As shown, Hungarian AMD-65 (AKMS) and Bulgarian LMG (RPK) have also been placed into serivce with the Georgian Army. No, I have not seen any AKM-63's exported from Hungary in use. Other than in Somalia.

Bubba Gump

10-27-2007, 01:13 PM

In Iraq.
http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/c40e2f8d2994f6bbff39239ea4257afb.jpg
http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/aa888d6118716286820302847363847f.jpg
http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/90d64af7d3fdd97b2ab6f0ac778b7887.jpg
http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/7946ea18632206b44c825a31428f2654.jpg

Bubba Gump

10-27-2007, 02:06 PM

Hueys donated by Turkey

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=154371
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=154372

Bluewings

10-27-2007, 03:03 PM

Impressive pics I can see the Georgian army has made many reforms despite the financial situation.

Also for the sake of Orthodoxy, Russians and Georgians stop arguing and sit down and talk about all the issues between you two, you have a lot in common. No there should be no war between the two countries and for the love of god NATO won't provide anything constructive to the situation...