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Bert
06-23-2006, 12:19 PM
A Swedish cameraman has been shot dead during a huge rally in the Somali capital, Mogadishu, held to support Thursday's peace agreement.

A BBC correspondent says a lone gunman shot the Swedish man in the heart, in the middle of a crowd of thousands.

Mogadishu's Islamist leader has condemned the killing as "barbaric".

The peace deal was agreed in Sudan by the interim government and the Union of Islamic Courts, which took control of Mogadishu two weeks ago.

Both sides have agreed to recognise each other and to stop fighting, but some key issues remain unresolved.

It is not clear why the cameraman was targeted but correspondents say it will affect the Islamists' claims to have restored security to Mogadishu, which they seized two weeks ago.

The Islamists' opponents have blamed them for a series of assassinations in recent years.

But Islamist leader Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed vowed to punish those responsible.

"We will take serious action on this matter," he told the AFP news agency.

"Those who did this are not responsible people and they don't represent the people of Mogadishu, the Islamic courts or the Somali people."

Peace deal

The BBC's Hassan Barise in Mogadishu says the Swedish man was shot once with a pistol during a commotion while an Ethiopian flag was set on fire.

The marchers were also protesting against the suggestion that foreign peacekeepers be deployed in Somalia.

Interim President Abdullahi Yusuf wants peacekeepers but the Union of Islamic Courts is strongly opposed - especially to any involvement of troops from Ethiopia, which is seen as being close to Mr Yusuf.

The seven-point deal made no mention of this major disagreement between the two sides.

Another issue not addressed is whether the Islamists will join the interim government.

The Islamic courts' leader has said the movement does not want to establish its own government, but our correspondent says many Somalis feel that it does.

But our correspondent says nobody was expecting a deal after only one day of talks in Sudan.

The two sides also agreed to stop "media campaigns" against each other and to meet again on 15 July, when the outstanding issues may be addressed.

'No extremism'

Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir described the accord as "the beginning of the end of conflicts in Somalia."

President Yusuf was in the Sudanese capital, Khartoum, for the talks but the agreement was signed by Foreign Minister Abdullahi Sheekh Ismail.

Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf
President Yusuf only controls a small part of Somalia
Afterwards, he embraced Islamic scholar Mohamed Ali Ibrahim, who led the Union of Islamic Courts team, along with deputy chairman Sheikh Husein Mohamud Jumaale.

Mr Yusuf said: "We have no interest in shedding any blood, and we will seek every possible way to preserve the life of the Somalis.

"This is your chance to end the suffering and start developing. Take my advice, and be aware: war leads nowhere."

Mr Ibrahim moved to calm fears that the Union of Islamic Courts could provide a safe haven for Islamist fighters.

"There's no extremism in Somalia and no terrorist element in Somalia. Anyone who wanted to check this, he can come and see with his own eyes," he said.

There have been fears of conflict between the Islamic courts, which control much of southern Somalia, and the interim government, based in Baidoa, 200km north of the capital, Mogadishu.

These fears increased last weekend after the Islamists said Ethiopian troops had crossed the border, apparently in support of Mr Yusuf's government.

International pressure is mounting for both sides to negotiate a peaceful settlement and to establish Somalia's first effective national government for 15 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5108958.stm

Some outlets are already suggesting this has something to do with those f**king cartoons; I can honestly say that was not the first thing going through my mind when I read this. It's not unlikely, though.

Kaapeli
06-23-2006, 12:29 PM
Propably has nothing to do with the toons. I've seen reports of somali being very hostile to all whites down there: robberies and purely racists attacks are bound to happen if you move without an armed bodyguard.

Laworkerbee
06-23-2006, 04:38 PM
"There's no extremism in Somalia and no terrorist element in Somalia. Anyone who wanted to check this, he can come and see with his own eyes," he said.

And be shot dead by some kid high from chewing khat :cantbeli:

R.I.P. Svensk

khukuri
06-24-2006, 12:55 PM
"There's no extremism in Somalia and no terrorist element in Somalia. Anyone who wanted to check this, he can come and see with his own eyes," he said.

And be shot dead by some kid high from chewing khat :cantbeli:

R.I.P. Svensk


Like theres no chance of an exactly similar thing to happen in you own country... think ghetto

Zarathustra
06-24-2006, 01:48 PM
Like theres no chance of an exactly similar thing to happen in you own country... think ghetto

Indeed, murder can happen everywhere.

Heron
06-24-2006, 02:07 PM
R.i.p.
:(

Freibier
06-24-2006, 02:13 PM
Damn :( 123

Luno
06-24-2006, 02:22 PM
his name where Martin Adler ,47 years old

here is the last photo taken of him alive :-(
http://img.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0606/24/adler440.jpg

Resurrection
06-24-2006, 02:27 PM
From an interview about his job...


Fast nu menade jag närmast det faktum att du kan dö när som helst.

- Jaså, du menar så. Men dö kan man ju göra var som helst. Genom att bete sig på rätt sätt kan man eliminera 90 procent av riskerna. Man måste vara påläst och hålla låg profil, veta man gör, lita på sin intuition och helst ha ett nära samarbete med lokala medarbetare som har lokalkännedom, som kan kulturen och området. Men det viktigaste är att hela tiden vara medveten om att man aldrig är säker.

http://www2.amnesty.se/ap.nsf/webbreportage/1569D84CE50ED1CBC1256F8F00341F99?opendocument

SOG
06-25-2006, 04:51 AM
Somolia: Round 2, FIGHT!

Plastic_Yank
06-25-2006, 10:53 AM
Like theres no chance of an exactly similar thing to happen in you own country... think ghettoIn America, there'd have been a fairly good chance that the intended victim would be able to defend himself with his own firearm.

...Besides, I can't think of the last time (in the U.S.) some young punk decided to gun down a cameraman covering some demonstration or other.:|

Firetxmi
06-25-2006, 11:19 AM
In America, there'd have been a fairly good chance that the intended victim would be able to defend himself with his own firearm.

...Besides, I can't think of the last time (in the U.S.) some young punk decided to gun down a cameraman covering some demonstration or other.:|

Correct. This kind of thng only happens in other countries! :roll:


"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Matthew 7

Plastic_Yank
06-25-2006, 07:55 PM
Correct. This kind of thng only happens in other countries! :roll:Well, when those other countries are places like Somalia, maybe Sudan...




Matthew 7It warms my heart to see you engaged in such rigourous self-criticism, comrade.

khukuri
06-25-2006, 08:07 PM
In America, there'd have been a fairly good chance that the intended victim would be able to defend himself with his own firearm.

Ohhh yeah... cuz in somalia its difficult to get hold of a gun for self defence. Dude youre talking out of your ass rofl rofl


...Besides, I can't think of the last time (in the U.S.) some young punk decided to gun down a cameraman covering some demonstration or other.:|

yea you dont have casual murder in USA

Plastic_Yank
06-25-2006, 08:14 PM
yea you dont have casual murder in USAwhy try to disprove something I didn't say? You're just wasting typespace.


Ohhh yeah... cuz in somalia its difficult to get hold of a gun for self defence. Dude youre talking out of your assSensors read "doubtful".;-)

VOD
06-25-2006, 09:39 PM
Kill the white man!

Laworkerbee
06-26-2006, 02:47 AM
Like theres no chance of an exactly similar thing to happen in you own country... think ghetto

I can't think of of instance where someone has shot a cameraman for the hell of it but I'm sure it's capable of happening in a nation of 300 million people, it just has not happened as far as I know of.

moughoun
06-26-2006, 03:24 AM
Well, when those other countries are places like Somalia, maybe Sudan...



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everyone in Somalia is packing, more so then in the US, it didn't help:roll:

Plastic_Yank
06-26-2006, 11:23 AM
everyone in Somalia is packing, more so then in the US, it didn't help:roll:Everyone except the dude in question, apparently.:roll:

Firetxmi
06-26-2006, 12:07 PM
Everyone except the dude in question, apparently.:roll:

I don't thnik the first thing I wold do when I go to a foreign country is look for someheat to pack either. Thats why they have Person Security Details....

Plastic_Yank
06-26-2006, 02:51 PM
I don't thnik the first thing I wold do when I go to a foreign country is look for someheat to pack either. Thats why they have Person Security Details....That's kind of the European mentality, isn't it?

Anyway, did this guy have security of some sort, or did he just think he could mix it up with the locals with impunity?

Resurrection
06-26-2006, 02:52 PM
He was a freelance journalist guys...

VOD
06-26-2006, 04:05 PM
He was a freelance journalist guys...

And it doesnt make him any safer, sorry to say. I dont get it, when people have a camera they think they are invisible to whats happening, that they cant be affected by whats going on.... its a shame.

Resurrection
06-26-2006, 04:07 PM
I dont get it, when people have a camera they think they are invisible to whats happening, that they cant be affected by whats going on.... its a shame.

Nah, he was well aware of the risks. That's what they were talking about in the interview I posted... that he could die at any moment.