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Martin-NL
06-25-2006, 03:39 PM
Nice vid p-)
Mcbain321
06-25-2006, 07:50 PM
huh??? i don't remember taiwan bombing Iraq
Vintendo
06-26-2006, 09:45 AM
So... it was Taiwan that bombed Iraq? Sneaky Sneaky! :D
I wonder what a Chinese beach landing would look like... not pretty.
Chucky
06-26-2006, 10:02 AM
Taiwanese propagandap-)
Exactly. Fancy show of force on TV.
pave_hawk
06-26-2006, 10:28 AM
huh??? i don't remember taiwan bombing Iraq
Iraq? That's only a piece of cake for ROC forces.
I remember some of them wanted to send a fleet to France to demonstrate their power after the French didn't support their application for WHO. huh, maybe they will send La Fayettes some day, haha
chardson67
06-26-2006, 01:16 PM
China will not focus on "Normandy Style Beach Landings" they'll probably concentrate dropping Elite Airborne Units on the heart of Taiwan which is Taipei and other Major cities, they should do this in overnight raids and install a new government, control the TV, radio and newspapers and then they will probably see what the USA does... The Marines from Okinawa and Guam can respond quick. American Carriers can also be there within TWO DAYS. etc.... etc... form a coalition, MDTreaties with the Philippines, Singapore, Australia and Australia, which means they can set up bases there and bring the war in China's Land (China will be on the defense.)
well, let's see what happens, but i'm thinking this will be China's last resort if they do attack Taiwan, On my whole viewI think they're not ready to face the Americans.
huh??? i don't remember taiwan bombing Iraq
that part of film is just trying to show u the china Battle missle attack on Taiwan.For the freedom,we have to fight back.
Heron
06-27-2006, 12:42 AM
that part of film is just trying to show u the china Battle missle attack on Taiwan.For the freedom,we have to fight back.
lol
you mean...for the freedom,now iraqis have to fight back??
lol
you mean...for the freedom,now iraqis have to fight back??
Taiwan is not iraq and China is not America.
redflash
06-27-2006, 09:44 AM
nice video after all, but park some tanks on the beach head 'waiting' for the landing forces is just stupid, feel bad for the crews, 'waiting' for the incoming missles.
oh yea. how many of them are truly willing to fight for the 'freedom'?
anyway. great video. thanks
pave_hawk
06-27-2006, 02:13 PM
Taiwan is not iraq and China is not America.
huh..., I remember Mr. Chen Shui-Bian advocateduniversal value of human rights and democracy many times. So what is the difference between freedom of Iraqis and Taiwanese? ha...
Vintendo
06-27-2006, 11:16 PM
nice video after all, but park some tanks on the beach head 'waiting' for the landing forces is just stupid, feel bad for the crews, 'waiting' for the incoming missles.
oh yea. how many of them are truly willing to fight for the 'freedom'?
anyway. great video. thanks
I get the feeling Chinese arrogance and overconfidence will end up biting them in the ass...
h22chen
06-27-2006, 11:47 PM
awesome vid.
huh..., I remember Mr. Chen Shui-Bian advocateduniversal value of human rights and democracy many times. So what is the difference between freedom of Iraqis and Taiwanese? ha...
What does Iraq or America have to do with this thread at all?
nice video after all, but park some tanks on the beach head 'waiting' for the landing forces is just stupid, feel bad for the crews, 'waiting' for the incoming missles.
oh yea. how many of them are truly willing to fight for the 'freedom'?
anyway. great video. thanks
That is truly an interesting question:
Taiwanese soldiers will be standing on the beaches of the land they were born in and raised. The PLA soldiers will be heading to the beaches of a land that they have never been in or seen. It is interesting for you to question only the willingness to fight of the Taiwanese soldiers while not wondering for a moment about the PLA peasant soldier's desire to be there.
As for the utility of tanks parked on the beach head. Well, a single tank parked on the beach ruined the PLA invastion of Kinman in 1949. Allies were lucky that the German panzer reserves were nowhere near the Normandy on 6/6/44, and the Allied air tried very hard to keep the German panzers away from the beach heads after 6/6. So clearly, a lot of people think it's not healthy for the invading infantry to have hostile armors on the beach.
gd168f
06-28-2006, 12:30 AM
overnight raids and install a new government, control the TV, radio and newspapers
I personally think that these coup d'etat tactics may work in Africa, but not in Taiwan. there is so many tv stations, radio stations. Communication paths are too well developed in this island. Even with power shortage there is still way to know what was going on as it has been proved when a earthquake hit Taiwan in September 1999.
Even if the Chinese take control of some TV, radio stations, do you really think people are stupid to just believe what they will be told? politics is already a national sport.
gd168f
06-28-2006, 12:52 AM
As for the utility of tanks parked on the beach head. Well, a single tank parked on the beach ruined the PLA invastion of Kinman in 1949. Allies were lucky that the German panzer reserves were nowhere near the Normandy on 6/6/44, and the Allied air tried very hard to keep the German panzers away from the beach heads after 6/6. So clearly, a lot of people think it's not healthy for the invading infantry to have hostile armors on the beach.
link for a M5 light tank (http://www.taiwanho.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=kinmen_kuningtou&id=kinmen_park_bulldog_tank)
mladina
06-28-2006, 02:45 AM
Any info on taiwanese 101st recon battalion? I believe unit was described previous year in one thread...
pave_hawk
06-28-2006, 12:07 PM
That is truly an interesting question:
As for the utility of tanks parked on the beach head. Well, a single tank parked on the beach ruined the PLA invastion of Kinman in 1949. Allies were lucky that the German panzer reserves were nowhere near the Normandy on 6/6/44, and the Allied air tried very hard to keep the German panzers away from the beach heads after 6/6. So clearly, a lot of people think it's not healthy for the invading infantry to have hostile armors on the beach.
I think the situation in Kinman 1949 was quite unique. PLA inf had not fire cover, no backup, no antitank weapons and were outnumbered by defenders in that battle. I don't think future landing, if any, will happen in a similar situation. So it is probablly not a good example for today.
Armor forces have not only armor but also mobility. It should be used as a counterattack power to the direction where the invaders have the highest probability of achieving a breakthrough, other than consumed on the beach head where the enemy firepower is the fiercest. Otherwise, what is the difference between a tank and a bunker? Armors on the beach head are dangerous for both sides. For the defender, if you lose your armors, you might lose the war at the beginning because you have no mobile strength against future invasions. Just use the example of 1944, although German Panzers were deloyed arround Calais, I never heard they had the plan to run to the beach head and shoot landing allies. Artillery can do this job better. A better example might be the battle of Anzio. With the help of panzer forces, the German blocked any advance of the allies to inland successfully even they didn't have the airpower.
So the RT2000 is more deadly for PLA landing troops than M60A3, M48H and M41. The time when armors should appear on the beach head is not the beginning of the enemy landing, but the end of a successful antilanding.
pave_hawk
06-28-2006, 12:07 PM
sorry for a mis-posting.
Remenber the words :只有抵抗才有自由
That's mean :Only Fight Back Get Your Own Freedom.
We don't like the war .But If China use the SRBM attack our land.
It's will like US use CM/JDAM bombing Baghdad.
What we trainning for battle but we just want peace.But Freedom is never free !
Vintendo
06-29-2006, 08:17 AM
What does Iraq or America have to do with this thread at all?
They used some footage of Iraq to simulate a Chinese missile attack.
I think the situation in Kinman 1949 was quite unique. PLA inf had not fire cover, no backup, no antitank weapons and were outnumbered by defenders in that battle.
Every battle was unique, period. But in any case, why was the PLA out numbered and had no back-up in that battle? Because the boats, after dropping off the first wave, were destroyed by machinegun and shell fire from the defenders. The 2nd wave never made it. Even then, the PLA landing forces had artillery support from Xiamen. The defender's losses were heavy as well.
Taiwan's lesson from this battle (defending against amphibious invasion from a small island) is that it must put as much firepower as forward as possible, and destroy as much enemy (men and ships) as far from the beach (in the water) as possible.
Your armor theory is fine, but Taiwan is not France. Not much plain, no depth, and too many rivers for any significant armor maneuver. If the armors do not destroy enemy on the beach head, there's nowhere else for them to fight. So the armor becomes much like a bunker, as you said. Well, that's exactly how Taiwan intends to use it.
Again, the key is, no beach head for PLA (hence no need for armor concentration and attacking any breakout, as you imagined) If the beach is lost, you can be sure all bridges in the western Taiwan will be blown (or try to). The battle will become an small-unit infantry batte in the hills and mountains, cities and towns.
Taiwan's employment of armor is granted very atypical, but that is due to the geography (rivers, towns, rice fields, lack of depth). The geography also means if the PLA has fire superiority at the beach, then really it has fire superiority as well in the western Taiwan. Taiwan's supposed armor concentration and counter-attack will not happen anyway.
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