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signatory
10-22-2010, 08:21 PM
Bit more from the press conf in Brazil: By Airpower (http://www.aereo.jor.br/). I used google-translate on this so be careful.

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Gripen 'NG' pre-production series 4 aircraft, first parts production March/April 2011. First flights of these 2012-2013.

2 for Flight Testing
1 for fatigue tests
1 for static tests

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Also the Swedish military seems happy with what they have learned from the NG Demonstrator and on what way to move forward. SwAF Chief of Staff made another confident note this week on having good info for a decision. It is to provide the government with its suggestions on March 31.

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The sun and the skies and the mountains... of South Africa.

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Photo: Gripen D, AAD 2010. By: Rudolf Henning

Suddenly the camo kind of makes sense.

Skyman
10-23-2010, 12:06 AM
Welcome to Thailand. Congratulation for a paid two years vocation on the beach. :D

signatory
10-28-2010, 12:39 AM
Four new Czech Gripen pilots

Over a period of three months, four pilots from the Czech Air Force have been in Sweden in order to train as Gripen pilots. They also spent two days visiting Saab to see where Gripen is produced.

2010-10-26 |

At Saab, they were given a presentation about the company and had the opportunity to visit the simulator, the final assembly and the composite workshop. The prospective Gripen pilots were happy to be able to visit Saab.

"It was fascinating to get to see the place and the hangars where Gripen is produced, said Martin Paček”, one of the pilots.

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Image: The pilots visited the Gripen final assembly during their visit at Saab in Linköping. Photo: Per Kustvik.

Extremely satisfied

The training has taken place at F 7 Såtenäs, which has responsibility for the training of Czech, Hungarian and Thai pilots. The training is carried out at the Gripen centre training facility, a facility that contains all the facilities needed to effectively train Gripen pilots.

The pilots have previously flown the L-159 Alca at Čáslav squadron in the Czech Republic and they are extremely satisfied with the training that is developing them into Gripen pilots. Much of the training is spent in the simulators at the Gripen centre, but theory also plays a major part in the training.

Martin and his friends have now returned to the Czech Republic to commence tactical training at Čáslav Air Force Base. It was four expectant Gripen admirers that returned.

"We are delighted to be operating the Gripen system in the Czech Republic, and if it were up to us to decide, we would want to operate Gripen in the Czech Republic today, tomorrow and in the future," said all four in agreement.


20 Gripen pilots
The Czech Gripen aircraft are based at Čáslav Air Force Base, in the heart of the Czech countryside. At the base, there is one division flying Gripen and another operating the L-159. The Czech Republic has four Air Force Bases in total and at the other three bases there are helicopters and transport aircraft. There are around 20 Gripen pilots at present in the Czech Republic.

gripen.com (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2010/Four_new_Czech_Gripen_pilots.htm)

signatory
10-28-2010, 10:34 PM
Gripen support grows

On demand support services for the South African Air Force's Gripen advanced light fighter aircraft stands at R29 859 175.76 after 10 months. The latest contract, for R6 175 342.54 was awarded September 22 as an extension of ELGS/2008/333.

[...]

Some 50% of the maintenance for the Gripen is done at AFB Makhado and about 15% by the local industry. Regarding the Hawk, some 65% of the maintenance is done by the air force at AFB Makhado, 20% is done by local industry, leaving only 15% to be done overseas. Technology transfer on both aircraft was significant, Engineering News added.

Technology transfer for the Gripen included the radar, the fly-by-wire system and the full authority digital engine control system. "We can operate both these aircraft with our own ground crews and technicians very well," stated Bayne.

link (http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10212:gripen-support-grows&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107)

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South Africa: Sisulu insists Gripens will be kept flying

Defence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu has promised that despite there being no new money for defence, budget cuts and spending shifts will be made to keep the defence force “fully functional” and keep the Gripen jet fighters flying.

link (http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=124939)

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Croatia, Slovenia to pursue joint fighter deal

link (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/10/27/348996/croatia-slovenia-to-pursue-joint-fighter-deal.html)

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SwAF @ Royal Air Force Base Lossiemouth (c) "lossie15"
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SwAF @ Royal Air Force Base Lossiemouth (c) "lossie15"

signatory
10-30-2010, 03:39 AM
Bulgaria to Spend BGN 1 B on Fighter Jets in 2012
Defense | October 29, 2010, Friday

Bulgaria's Defense Ministry will start its BGN 1 B tender for the purchase of fighter jets for the Air Force, Minister Anyu Angelov has announced.

Over the past few months Angelov gradually revealed that the Bulgarian Defense Ministry must purchase new fighter jets to replace the outdated MiG-21s, while modernizing its MiG-29s.

No amount of money the Bulgarian government plans to pay for the deal had been revealed so far, and the BGN 1 B figure mentioned by Angelov probably should not be regarded as precise. It is also unclear how many planes Bulgaria wants to purchase.

Bulgarian Defense Minister Anyu Angelov has said the Cabinet will most likely select from among F-16, Eurofighter Typhoon, or Gripen when it decides to purchase its new multipurpose fighter jets.

Gen. Angelov has made it clear that few other options will be considered outside the American F-16, the German-UK-Italian-Spanish Eurofighter Typhoon, and the Swedish Gripen.

The tender for the procurement of the new fighter jets for the Bulgarian Air Force will be announced at the beginning of 2011. The new plane will be selected by the middle of 2012, and the delivery should start in 2015.

Sweden's Saab has recently been pro-active with respect to offering its Gripen fighters to the Bulgarian government, apparently in an attempt to balance the strong position that the United States and the major Western European powers have in Bulgaria.

link (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=121637)

Flashback:

24 June 2010, in News

During a recent official visit to the Czech Republic, the Commander of the Bulgarian Air Force Major-General Konstantin Popov flew the multirole Gripen fighter.

source (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2010---6/Commander-of-the-Bulgarian-Air-Force-flies-Gripen/)
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Android app: Gripen mission?

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Saab is to study the usability of leg-mounted touchscreen PDA's running Android for information that is now carried in paper form on pilot's legs.

Swedish citizens who know how to program for Android OS can still apply for this work.

link (http://saab.easycruit.com/vacancy/473313/41236?iso=gb)

signatory
11-03-2010, 09:16 AM
Baltic Air Policing 2012

Czech Chamber of Deputies approved foreign missions after the Senate had already given the ok. Included is a return to the Baltics for the Czech Gripens.

September-December 2012.

EN link (http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/zpravy/mps-approve-extension-of-czech-military-contingent-in-afghanistan/551288)
CZ link (http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/snemovna-schvalila-rozsireni-kontingentu-v-afghanistanu/551234)

Good Read: LK Aviation Cosmonautics special magazine (http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Gripen/Gripen%20for%20Czech%20Republic/LK_Aviation_Cosmonautics_2009-9_ENG.pdf) on the 2009 deployment.

A snapshot into the magazine:

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Russian electronic intelligence-gathering (Elint) Ilyushin Il-20M registered as Il-18 and with its transponder turned off.

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Il-18RT radio and electronic reconnaissance aircraft flying on civilian registration RA-75528. Note the open starboard undercarriage door.


An interesting fact is that for two sorties by Russian reconnaissance Il-20Ms the Swedish fighters were also activated, one from Ronneby and one from Såtenäs, so it happened that four Gripens at once converged to watch a single Ilyushin. In one case Czech pilots took over their quarry from Finnish pilots flying their own F-18C Hornet fighters.

Thanks also to this quite high number of readiness sorties to monitor Russian military aircraft, the participation of the Czech Air Force in the “Baltic Air Policing 2009” mission got an extraordinarily positive assessment. The Czech soldiers had clearly shown to the population of the three Baltic countries that collective defence is defi nitely the base of the North Atlantic Alliance.

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A statement from Exercise Joint Warrior:


The Swedish Gripens’ post-attack mission report contains the understatement worthy of a WW2 RAF fighter pilot that they have caused “untidiness and disturbance” aboard their target ship.

RAF 7644sqn blog (http://7644sqn.blogspot.com/2010/10/exercise-joint-warrior-diary-days_26.html#more)

p-)

Henke556
11-03-2010, 05:39 PM
If i remember correctly the helmet mounted sight was ordered for the Swedish Gripens to be integrated in Edition 19 together with Rb98/Iris-T. But what has happened since? I remember seeing it on the aircrafts being tested in Switzerland, but I have not seen any pics(or heard anything about them) of it in service with our combat squadrons..

Maybe Signatory can shed some light on this?

signatory
11-03-2010, 09:52 PM
If i remember correctly the helmet mounted sight was ordered for the Swedish Gripens to be integrated in Edition 19 together with Rb98/Iris-T. But what has happened since? I remember seeing it on the aircrafts being tested in Switzerland, but I have not seen any pics(or heard anything about them) of it in service with our combat squadrons..

Maybe Signatory can shed some light on this?

No real news on this. AFAIK the FMV people is working on a package to be handed over to the air force which of course is sensitive work since we dont need a situation where operative pilots has to work out bugs left in the system. IRIS-T integration included firings with the HMD. Yeap it's supposed to be fielded on combat divisions with MS19.. work on MS19 should be complete at the end of 2011.

Thanakorn
11-04-2010, 07:48 AM
Excellent! Thank you very much.

Breerman
11-06-2010, 08:29 AM
No real news on this. AFAIK the FMV people is working on a package to be handed over to the air force which of course is sensitive work since we dont need a situation where operative pilots has to work out bugs left in the system. IRIS-T integration included firings with the HMD. Yeap it's supposed to be fielded on combat divisions with MS19.. work on MS19 should be complete at the end of 2011.
Is this the same that has already been exported to the South African Air Force?

signatory
11-06-2010, 11:19 AM
Is this the same that has already been exported to the South African Air Force?

Yeah not counting minor variations and it's born out of a South African design in the first place so this is really a SA, UK, Swedish product and everyone exports something to eachother.

Gripen's Cobra, EF's HMSS (Guardian) and once proposed Rafale's Gerfaut all came out of the Denel Archer helmet design basically thanks to the clever helmet tracking system. Each helmet adjusted for specific needs.

I know one nut to crack has been how to make sure neck injuries won't become a factor over time for operational pilots. Test pilots are made of iron so they don't care as much...

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Photo: Royal visit to F21 Wing this week.

One of the perks of marrying into royalty...

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With wheels perfectly on red lines..

Is that you can finally get up close to a Gripen. Our new Prince Daniel is showing all of his emotions at once here next to the more experienced Crown Princess Victoria.

katjing
11-06-2010, 03:09 PM
One of the perks of marrying into royalty...


Is that you can finally get up close to a Gripen. Our new Prince Daniel is showing all of his emotions at once here next to the more experienced Crown Princess Victoria.
It doesn't seem all that difficult to get close to one if you really want to. All I had to do was know a guy who knew a guy. At first I didn't dare to touch it because I know how easy it is to dent small civilian aircraft, them practically being built of aluminum foil, but after I did I realized you can't break it. It's funny how my strongest memories are of the feel of the airframe and the ejection seat, both of which were rock-hard.

signatory
11-06-2010, 05:11 PM
It doesn't seem all that difficult to get close to one if you really want to. All I had to do was know a guy who knew a guy. At first I didn't dare to touch it because I know how easy it is to dent small civilian aircraft, them practically being built of aluminum foil, but after I did I realized you can't break it. It's funny how my strongest memories are of the feel of the airframe and the ejection seat, both of which were rock-hard.

Well yeah or just go to a air show... not every time, but often, they allow people to pet the aircraft and get inside. Daniel otoh had never been up close to one, something Victoria made fun of..

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SwAF exercises in Norway

8 jets at Ørland.

link (http://www.fosna-folket.no/incoming/article1261882.ece#)

JohanGrön
11-07-2010, 02:21 PM
Air Commodore Jasjit Singh, director for Centre for Air Power Studies (CAPS), wrote an article in the Indian magazine Vayu Aerospace & Defence Review (http://www.vayuaerospace.in/) about the central factor in selecting the M-MRCA.

Link to PDF (http://www.vayuaerospace.in/images1/MMRCA-Central_factor.pdf)
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The cost and performance of a combat aircraft broadly depends upon its size and weight and what avionics and weapons it carries. This parameter would virtually rule out the Boeing Super Hornet (an excellent aircraft in its class) and the MiG-35 (for another reason) but both not too far from the Su-30 in size or origin. It would neither be prudent nor affordable to maintain nearly 80% of the combat force consisting of just heavy multi-role aircraft from a single source for the coming decades since the world situation would no doubt have undergone major changes during this period. At around 24,000 kg maximum weight, the French Rafale and the European Eurofighter Typhoon also come closer to the upper end of a mediumcombat aircraft. They offer great advantage in the quantum of fuel and weapon load carried, but it is only actual operation and detailed cost calculations that can tell us of their desirability in our inventory. This leaves us with two types with obvious advantages of being clearly in the category of ‘Medium’ multi-role combat aircraft that have been offered in the RFP: the US Lockheed’s F-16IN Super Viper and the Swedish Saab Gripen NG/IN, both configured specially to meet Indian requirements (hence the ‘IN’ in their nomenclature).
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However, the choice that comes closest to the ‘medium’ multi-role aircraft that the IAF has been seeking since a decade ago (the Mirage 2000 type) is the Swedish Gripen which has maximum and empty weights at around 17,000 kg and 7,000 kg respectively, almost equal to that of the Mirage 2000. Since the Mirage 2000 is not in the running anymore, this makes it necessary to focus on the aircraft type closest to the medium combat aircraft, that is, the Swedish Gripen and Lockheed-Martin F-16, with the EADS Eurofighter Typhoon included at the higher end. Gripen’s manufacturers could also offer some aircraft from Swedish Air Force reserves as an interim. However much would depend upon what is carried by the aircraft in terms of avionics and weapons apart from its flying performance that meets our needs.
But there is a larger issue that should receive serious attention: this refers to the other matter we set out to deal with, that is the impact of acquisitions from abroad on our aircraft industry in the future. It is vital that the next fighter deal must go well beyond simple purchase and even local manufacture of the fighter and its major systems. Even the licence manufacture option leaves the country dependent on external sources of supply. We were lulled in the past into the belief that ‘transfer of technology’ was taking place while the reality that it was ‘production technology’ that was actually transferred and not the essential design technology and data. This is why we have had to go back to Moscow to upgrade even the comparatively less sophisticated aircraft like the MiG-21. We now have the Su-30 being manufactured under license though we don’t know how much design data is being transferred to HAL. This is probably the reason for Russian discomfort over inclusion of the offsets clause from new purchases from them.
Large investments in defence modernisation with high-technology weapons, particularly the acquisition of new fighters must be leveraged to energise our defence (especially aerospace) industry once it is clear that they fit into our doctrine and strategy in the larger context of what quality and quantity of aerospace forces are required for the next several decades. This should aim to serve two key purposes: build interdependence through horizontal and vertical partnerships and, secondly, empower India’s industry through capacity building with acquisition of modern aerospace technology. Both these principles are crucial to strengthening self-reliance through enhancing mutual dependence with countries and their industries that are willing to do so. These are also important for sustaining our broader techno-economic growth rates. But these requirements can be met only through process of acquisition and horizontal diffusion of technology beyond our present vertically organised hierarchical aircraft design and development model remotely, but firmly, managed from South Block. Global trends in aerospace industry on one side and India’s growing technological and economic capabilities on the other, point towards seeking mutual advantages in pursuing the horizontal technology diffusion route. This is where the issue of offsets assumes great importance.
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There is also an article in Vayu Aerospace & Defence Review about the "competing" MMRCA air-to-air missiles. The article does not do any ranking it only describes the alternatives (including AMRAAM, Meteor, IRIS-T, Sidewinder, Mica, Python and Derby).

M-MRCA: the contending missiles (http://www.vayuaerospace.in/images1/M-MRCA-The_contending_missiles.pdf) (link to PDF)

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JohanGrön
11-08-2010, 09:52 AM
"Siren" - The First Female Gripen Fighter Pilot

http://www.timeslive.co.za/multimedia/dynamic/01145/701786_632569_1145494bdotjpg

Maj. Catherine 'Siren' Labuschagne and her three course companions Lieutenant Colonel. Gys 'Samurai' van der Walt, Maj. Lance 'Lancelot' Mathebula and 2lt. Kevin 'Saffron' Chetty is the first locally produced SAAF Gripen fighter pilots.

On Thursday three of the four flew solo for the first time.

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Cheers...

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Make it official!

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Times (http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article695648.ece/A-world-first-for-SAs-woman-Gripen-pilot)


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Here is a South African television show with Siren, Saffron, Samurai and Lancelot
Carte Blanche - Major pilot (http://beta.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/Article.aspx?Id=4183&ShowId=1) (two parts 5.30+5.06)

Check out the Gripen dome simulator and the high G-pressure training simulator!

signatory
11-08-2010, 10:44 AM
Update: Thailand

Program Peace Suvarnabhumi aka Thai Air Defence Solution Phase 1 is in high gear with the next major step being the deliveries of two Saab 340 aircraft including one AEW and six Gripen 39C/D in the next few months. Next month the AEW and early 2011 the first Gripens. By September 2011 the RTAF plan to have all six Gripens operational out of Wing 7 Surat Thani.

Also included is a command and control centre with a Thai national datalink that is in its final stage of development at Saab.

RTAF also released photos of the initial signing ceremony for Peace Suvarnabhumi II aka Phase 2 which includes another AEW and 6 more Gripens. As this option is exercised the next option aka Phase 3 becomes active which is currently discussions around 12 more Gripens. Saab eyes additional sales beyond these for a total Gripen fleet around 30-40 jets over time.

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http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8430/thai12dotjpg

source (http://gripen.rtaf.mi.th/)

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JohanGrön
11-09-2010, 06:37 AM
AviationWeek.com (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/asd/2010/11/08/04.xml&headline=Qatar%20Targets%202012%20Fighter%20Decision)



Qatar Targets 2012 Fighter Decision

Nov 8, 2010
By Robert Wall

LONDON - The competition to supply a new fighter to the Qatar Emiri Air Force (QEAF) is now formally underway.

Evaluation of program candidates has begun, the service’s commander, Brig. Gen. Mubarak Bin Mohammed Al-Khayarin, tells the Shephard Air Power Middle East conference here. The goal is to make a type selection before the end of 2012.

The size of the program is still under discussion, with 24-36 fighters likely to be acquired. The aircraft would replace Dassault Mirage 2000-5s.

The service is evaluating a broad spectrum of aircraft, including the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and F-15, Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale, says Al-Khayarin. Saab officials note they also have entered the competition.

Qatar’s is only one of several military aircraft contests in the region. The United Arab Emirates’ effort to buy a new fighter appears open again, after an apparent impasse between front-runner Dassault and the government following prolonged negotiations. The UAE has signaled interest in the F/A-18E/F, with European officials also believing the type selection is again in play.

Likewise, Oman, Kuwait and Bahrain remain potential buyers of new aircraft.
Meanwhile, discussions continue between the U.K. and Saudi Arabia regarding a follow-on purchase of Typhoons on top of the 72 already on order.

signatory
11-09-2010, 01:56 PM
Brazil's industry is still hoping for Gripen.



Valor (http://www.valoronline.com.br/impresso/akaer/46814/333851/fiesp-aposta-que-lula-optara-por-caca-sueco)- 09.11.2010

Fiesp bet that Lula will opt for Swedish fighter

"We are convinced that the best proposal for transfer of technology is the Gripen, we agree with FAB" Representatives of the industries of the Brazilian aeorespacial believe the decision of President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, on the choice of new fighter aircraft of the Air Force (FAB) will be favorable to the Swedish Gripen.

"The Brazilian industry is convinced that the best aircraft and the best proposal for transfer of technology is the Gripen. Our vision is extremely pragmatic and coincided with the Brazilian Air Force," said Jairo Candido, director of the Department of Industry Defense (Comdefesa), the Federation of Industries of São Paulo (FIESP).

According to Candide, if the domestic industry that will host the technology to be transferred by the new fighters, it makes sense that her opinion is not taken into account. "President Lula and President-Elect, Rousseff, profound knowledge of the industry's position on the issue of Brazilian fighters and were very knowledgeable about the impact of this choice on the future development of the sector," he said.

Besides aerospace industry and FAB, the Swedish fighter also has the preference of the ABC Metalworkers Union, the National Confederation of Metalworkers (CNM-CUT) and the Mayor of São Bernardo do Campo (SP), Luiz Marinho, who signed in April this year, a statement in support of the union movement to the purchase of Swedish fighters by government. The statement was delivered to President Lula in order to strengthen the lobby for the Swedish company Saab, which makes the Gripen.



source (http://www.zemoleza.com.br/noticia/1654136-fiesp-aposta-que-lula-optara-por-caca-sueco.html)

Swingrole
11-10-2010, 12:49 PM
In accordance to the article above:



Lula turns in favor of Gripen




Published in the Swedish magazine Ny Teknik 10 nov 2010

The Brazilian president Lula da Silva will recommend purchase of Gripen instead of Rafale. That's the hottest tip in Brazilian industry at the moment according to the main economical Brazilian newspaper Valor Economica.

The reason why Lula has changed his mind is supposed to be because France did not support the Brazilian and Turkey's draft settlement in the Iranian nuclear fuel issue earlier this spring and that Lula feels betrayed by his old "ally in arms" so to speak.

In connection with the big air force manoeuvre on the 19 of november, where a number of Latin American countries are participating, Lula expects to announce his decision about the winner in the competition.


Source (in Swedish only): http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/flygplan/article2505489.ece

PS We will see what happens, only time will show. I'll believe it when it's on paper...

jokuvaan
11-10-2010, 01:46 PM
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/ba_saabf_brazil-likely-to-chose-dassault-s-rafale-over-saab-s-gripen-media-says-1290774.html funny how according to very same Valor Economica its exactly other way around. Well time will show.

signatory
11-10-2010, 04:49 PM
Well. That nyteknik.se article is a poor Swedish interpretation (as usual) of the Valor article I posted above through google-translate. "Fiesp bet that Lula will opt for Swedish fighter". That article is a industry reaction to the latest Valor rumor that Lula will pick Rafale which is from the one jokuvaan posted (English interpretation).

It's a bet. (Or an attempt to change the politican position... )

What seems to be happening right now is that Team Lula is trying to score a improved deal from France.

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Nice RIAT photo from Nick to brighten up this thread.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/motf/2010/RIAT10/Fjet/Gripen/10-07-18RIAT4592dotjpg

Swingrole
11-12-2010, 05:38 PM
Well. That nyteknik.se article is a poor Swedish interpretation (as usual) of the Valor article I posted above through google-translate.


Funny though is that the Swedish Dagens Industri gives more or less the same version...

http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/11/11/219913/SAAB-LULA-SKA-HA-ANDRAT-UPPFATTNING-FOREDRAR-GRIPEN---MEDIA/

Even SAAB's stock-exchange rate went up by 6.4% at the highes, also according to Dagens Industri.

http://di.se/Artiklar/2010/11/11/220016/Brasilien-rykten-lyfter-Saab/

signatory
11-12-2010, 07:22 PM
Funny though is that the Swedish Dagens Industri gives more or less the same version...

Yes but not really funny though is it. That is at worst unwarranted stock price manipulation due to poor journalism. It pis-es me off. NyTeknik, Di and DN doesn't have reporters on site so they just follow the first poorly translated version out there and trust that its accurate, often one from a unsourced wire service. And change headlines etc to their likings. Food for daytraders.

One headline even said that that the nation of Brazil had changed its opinion but that was not at all in line with the original article (posted here the day before) which were just hopes and wishes expressed by the non-governmental Fiesp organisation. We saw the same in Norway.

I would urge anyone who looks at second hand international news to find the original source and verify its contents with the translated version before posting it here in yet another translated version. Especially articles from Swedish media on international Gripen news which normally has either already been posted here or exists in a better version at the source. Keep that in mind.

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Nordic Battle Group Ex: Joint Action

Gripens in NBG Expeditonary Air Wing contributing with multirole support for the EUBG between Nov 8-18.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5975/imagevaulthandleraspx16dotjpg

The readiness period starts on the new year.

Swe Article (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Aktuellt/Ovningar/Nordic-Battlegroup---ovningsserien-2010/Nyheter/Flyger-lagt-i-det-bla/)

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11/11/10

Saab presents Research and Innovation Centre at São Bernardo do Campo

Start up in december. Initial investment $50m over 5 years. This is created unrelated to the results of the F-X2. But also atteched to the news is the ambition of mayor Luiz Marinho to seek a meeting with Lula and Dillma on F-X2 to voice his opinion in favor of Saab.

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Saab with mayor Marinho.

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Swedish metal worker's union IF Metall also joined for talks with the mayor.

link (http://www.saobernardo.sp.gov.br/comuns/noticia_completa.asp?ref=6938&qt1=)

link (http://www.abcdmaior.com.br/noticia_exibir.php?noticia=25246)

link (http://www.reporterdiario.com/site/noticia.php?id=217407&secao=1)

signatory
11-15-2010, 10:42 AM
11/15/2010
Volvo Aero offers total availability in unique Gripen engine agreement

by Corporate Communications, Volvo Aero

FMV and Volvo Aero have signed an agreement for Volvo Aero to provide maintenance, spare parts and product support to Gripen engines for five years in Sweden, Hungary and the Czech Republic. The agreement is unique of its type: Volvo Aero guarantees constant availability.

The ”RM12 PBL” (Performance Based Logistics) agreement is expected to be worth approximately 1.2 billion SEK to Volvo Aero over a five year period (two years with an option for three more years). The agreement encompasses engine maintenance, spare parts supply and technical product support for the Volvo RM12, the Gripen’s engine.

The agreement is yet another step in developing the already successful cooperation between FMV (Swedish Defence Administration), the Swedish Armed Forces and Volvo Aero.

Contract negotiations have taken place over almost a two year period and have led to, among other things, FMV, the Swedish Armed Forces and Volvo Aero developing solutions that provide Volvo Aero with an incentive to increase cost efficiency. Volvo Aero’s obligations mean that Air Forces in three countries, Sweden, Hungary and the Czech Republic, will be guaranteed constant availability of their Gripen engines on a weekly basis. An availibility guarantee of this level is thought to be unique in the world.

“Benefits to the customer have been in focus throughout the negotiations. We are grateful for the confidence now being placed in us. This helps us to further strengthen our cooperation and our work with RM12 customers in three different countries,” comments Staffan Zackrisson, President and CEO at Volvo Aero.

The Volvo RM12 is now a well-proven engine. The Gripen has accumulated over 143 000 flight hours to date without a single engine-related failure or incident, which puts the RM12 in a class of its own.

“It is therefore no exaggeration to say that we can offer world-class when it comes to flight safety, availability and flight cost,” says Staffan Zackrisson.

VAC (http://www.volvoaero.com/volvoaero/global/en-gb/newsmedia/press_releases/_layouts/CWP.Internet.VolvoCom/NewsItem.aspx?News.ItemId=91777&News.Language=en-gb)

signatory
11-15-2010, 10:52 AM
News filler.

Made a quick list of the key Reconnaissance assets in use on (and selected) for Gripen as some kind of overview. Tried to add some links for further reading, find these on the company name.

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Gripen ISTAR (Intelligence, Surveillance, Target, Acquisition, Reconnaissance) list.

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6707/istardotjpg
Fundamental overview

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LITENING G-III

http://i51.*******.com/2cmq9i0dotjpg

Day/Night Navigation & Targeting Pod.

Detection, recognition, identification and laser designation of air-to-surface and maritime targets.

Passive identification of aerial targets from the Beyond Visual Range (BVR).

User: SwAF, HuAF, SAAF.
Origin: Rafael (http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/334-914-en/Marketing.aspx).

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RECCELITE

http://i51.*******.com/ajt17cdotjpg

Tactical Reconnaissance Pod.

Electro-optic/infra-red.
Shares the Litening targeting pod ILS infrastructure.

Origin: Rafael (http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/334-915-en/Marketing.aspx).

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Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod

http://i51.*******.com/257zif4dotjpg

Tactical Reconnaissance Pod.

Electro-optic/infra-red high-resolution/wide-area coverage.

User: SAAF.
Origin: Thales UK (http://www.thalesgroup.com/Press_Releases/Countries/United_Kingdom/2010/100923_UKPR_Thales_Digital_Joint_Reconnaissance_Pod_ready_to_fly_on_Gripen/).

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MRPS II - Modular Reconnaissance Pod System

http://i51.*******.com/iofdpkdotjpg

Tactical Reconnaissance Pod.

360 degree rotating window section.
Modular design for Film, Electro-optical/infra-red, SAR.

Variants: SPK 39 IV, SPK 39 V. Resolution: High.

User: SwAF.
Origin: Terma (http://www.terma.com/index.dsp?area=26), SAAB (http://www.saabgroup.com/Air/Sensor_Systems/Reconnaissance_Systems/MRPS_Modular_Reconnaissance_Pod_System/).

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Nose Radar PS-05/A

http://i51.*******.com/2j4pttldotjpg

Traditional modes of air, land, sea surveillance.

High resolution Synthetic Aperture Radar images with GMTI (Ground Moving Target Indicator) superposition.

'Large-SAR': Tactical datalink to let Gripen formations stitch together individual SAR images to much larger ones.

User: All Gripen Air forces.
Origin: SAAB (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Sensor_Systems/Fighter_Radar/PS_05_A/).

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EWS 39/S - Electronic Warfare System / Spaning

Passive detection and recording of radio frequency signals from emitters. Type matching against libraries.

Narrow and wideband IFM-receivers.

User: All Gripen Air forces.
Origin: SAAB.

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CA200 - Swedish Armed Forces Strategic Reconnaissance Pod

http://i54.*******.com/2cp6stydotjpg

Long range high altitude wide-area surveillance.

Resolution: Very high.

Origin: FMV the Swedish Defence Material Administration.
Pic: Illustrative only.

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Development Program: CARABAS/SCARAB for Gripen.

Ultra-wideband SAR radar.

Change detection radar - foilage penetrating wide-area ground surveillance.

Detection of man-made changes to the ground. Includes IED, tunnel, mine, troop detection.

Origin: Swedish Defence Research Agency (FOI), SAAB (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Sensor_Systems/Ground_Imaging_Sensors/CARABAS/Downloads/). GNT1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?84527-Gripen-News-Thread&p=4095171&viewfull=1#post4095171), GNT2 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?84527-Gripen-News-Thread&p=4240602#post4240602).

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+ Handheld cameras and at least one set of human eyes.

Lockheed Martin has asked Saab if they would like to integrate Sniper AT (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4547991) but this will only be done on customer's request.
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Siafu
11-15-2010, 04:02 PM
http://www.praguemonitor.com/2010/11/15/%C4%8Dr-call-new-tender-after-gripens-lease-expires-says-pm

I found this article from the Prague Daily Monitor. In summary, the article says the Czech Republic will offer a new tender for fighters after the Gripen lease expires in 2015. All tenders are welcomed, but if BAE and Saab wants to resubmit the Gripen for the new tender, they will have to provide a all information regarding the Gripen corruption case.

It seems the article suggests that it is now for sure the Czech Republic will seek a new fighter. The article did not mention the scandal as a reason for the Czech parliament's refusal to purchase the aircrafts outright in 2002, but I think that would be a good assumption, in which case this may be an attempt to force BAE and Saab to come clean on the corruption case. I'm not here to debate the corruption, but to defend the Gripen.

Yes, the corruption is bad, but to not continue with the Gripen seems uneconomical to me. First, the fighters will still be in good condition. Second, they seem to have served the Czech Republic well. Third, I would guess that the Czech air force has already built up so much time, energy, skills, and logistics with the Gripen that it would seem more costly to me to switch to a whole new plane. Fourth, does the Czech Republic really need a fighter with more capabilities than the Gripen? I really do hope that this is just a pressure tactic and nothing more.

I just can't imagine operating a fighter for 10 years and then jumping to a new platform is a good investment. 10 years is not a long time and, last I checked, the Czech air force is still growing its Gripen capabilities. Also, can the Czech Republic really afford anything that will be substantially better than the Gripen? I know people have a right to be upset about corruption, but please don't take it out on the Gripen. But, should the Czech government actually choose to offer a new tender, someone else might be able to get some used Gripens at a good price.

Caprice
11-15-2010, 06:39 PM
The Gripens' supplier, the British-Swedish BAE Systems/Saab consortiumhttp://www.praguemonitor.com/2010/11...xpires-says-pm (http://www.praguemonitor.com/2010/11/15/%C4%8Dr-call-new-tender-after-gripens-lease-expires-says-pm)

How well informed is the Czeck prime minister(Or media?)?
AFAIK, the Gripen-deal that was signed is between Sweden and the Czech Republic(No BAE participation there). BAE was involved some years earlier, in the canceled tender due to floods or something... Hopefully this is just a declaration(of governmental "justness") to calm media...and opposition? Strangely enough, now days rumors seems to be the truth after some time of media processing...

As you said; to scrap the hole Gripen system and start over would be economically insane IMHO.

C.

Breerman
11-15-2010, 06:48 PM
I think sanity will prevail. But of course otherwise a new deal might open up for Bulgaria or Romania.

Breerman
11-16-2010, 03:15 AM
Powerful image

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8889/gripenngdemo450gallondrdotjpg

Gripen NG Demo with Meteor, IRIS-T, Paveway, and 450 gallon drop tanks

Skyman
11-16-2010, 05:52 AM
Today, Thai cabinet approve the second phase of Gripen. RTAF delegate will sign the contract soon. Second phase included 6 Gripens (All C version), 1 Saab 340 AEW, 12 RBS-15Fs, 24 master-degree scholarships, 24 man-years of technology transfer, and also industrial cooperation.

Sorry it's in Thai. :)


ครม.อนุมัติก่อหนี้ผูกพัน 5 ปี จัดหาเครื่องบินขับไล่ 6 ลำ 1.62 หมื่นลบ.

ข่าวทั่วไป สำนักข่าวอินโฟเควสท์ (IQ) -- อังคารที่ 16 พฤศจิกายน 2553 16:33:09 น.

นาย ศุภชัย ใจสมุทร รองโฆษกประจำสำนักนายกรัฐมนตรี เปิดเผยว่า ที่ประชุมคณะรัฐมนตรีได้อนุมัติตามที่กระทรวงกลาโหมเสนอในการขออนุมัติก่อ หนี้ผูกพันข้ามปีงบประมาณ โครงการจัดหาเครื่องบินขับไล่อเนกประสงค์ทดแทนเครื่องบินขับไล่แบบ 18 ก/ข (ระยะที่ 2)

โดยอนุมัติให้กองทัพอากาศก่อ หนี้ผูกพันข้ามปีงบประมาณ โครงการจัดหาเครื่องบินขับไล่อเนกประสงค์ทดแทนเครื่องบินขับไล่แบบ 18 ก/ข (ระยะที่ 2) วงเงิน 16,222 ล้านบาท ระยะเวลาดำเนินการ 5 ปี ตั้งแต่ปีงบประมาณ 54 - 58 โดยการจัดซื้อเครื่องบินขับไล่อเนกประสงค์แบบ Gripen 39 C จำนวน 6 เครื่อง พร้อมอุปกรณ์ การส่งกำลังบำรุง การฝึกอบรม และการบริหารโครงการ จากองค์กรจัดหายุทธภัณฑ์ทางทหารสวีเดน (F?RSVERETS MASTERIEL VERK : FMV) โดยวิธีรัฐบาลต่อรัฐบาล รวมทั้งการปรับปรุงอาคารสถานที่ และการบริหารโครงการเพื่อเตรียมรับเครื่องบินของกองทัพอากาศ

พร้อม กันนี้ ให้กองทัพอากาศรับ ข้อเสนอพิเศษจากรัฐบาลสวีเดนประกอบด้วย 1.เครื่องบินควบคุมและแจ้งเตือนทางอากาศ (SAAB 340 AEW) ติดตั้งอุปกรณ์เรดาร์แบบ ERIEYE จำนวน 1 เครื่อง 2.ระบบอาวุธนำวิถีต่อต้านเรือผิวน้ำ (RB15F) จำนวน 12 นัด พร้อม TROLLEYS 3.ทุนการศึกษาระดับปริญญาโท 24 ทุน การถ่ายทอดเทคโนโลยี 24 MAN-YEARS และความร่วมมือทวิภาคีด้านอุตสาหกรรม

ทั้งนี้ ให้ผู้บัญชาการทหารอากาศหรือผู้แทนเป็นผู้ลงนามในข้อตกลงการจัดซื้อเครื่อง บินขับไล่อเนกประสงค์แบบ Gripen 39 C ในฐานะผู้แทนรัฐบาลไทย รวมทั้งการลงนามในเอกสารแก้ไขเปลี่ยนแปลงข้อตกลงจัดซื้อที่อาจเกิดขึ้นในภาย หลัง เฉพาะในกรณีแก้ไขรายละเอียดที่มิใช่สาระสำคัญ โดยวงเงินรวมไม่เปลี่ยนแปลง
--อินโฟเควสท์ โดย ธนวัฏ เสือแย้ม/กษมาพร/รัชดา โทร.02-2535000 ต่อ 317 อีเมล์: rachada@infoquest.co.th--

http://www.ryt9.com/s/iq01/1029206

signatory
11-16-2010, 10:44 AM
Good to see the timely decision in Thailand.

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Saab receives breakthrough Rapid 3D Mapping™ order for Gripen simulators

16 November 2010, in News

Defence and security company Saab has received an order from FMV, the Swedish Defence Material Administration, for the delivery of 3-dimensional (3D) models to the Swedish Gripen simulators. The 3D-models will give the simulators a highly realistic visualisation model.

The 3D-models will be generated by the system Rapid 3D Mapping™ based on aerial images, developed by Saab.

“This is an important milestone that proves that 3D-models generated by our new product Rapid 3D Mapping™ can be used with excellent results for visualisation in simulators”, says Ulf Hellberg, Head of Business Development within Saab’s business area Dynamics.

“The 3D-models provides the customer with a more realistic solution compared to traditional ways of building visualisation models”, says Magnus Brege, Marketing Director Rapid 3D Mapping™.

The world-leading technology behind Rapid 3D Mapping™, is a results of Saab’s unique competence in image processing, navigation and systems integration resulting from the long experience in developing advanced systems for missiles.

saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/Saab-receives-breakthrough-Rapid-3D-Mapping-order-for-Gripen-simulators/)

Rapid 3D Mapping (http://www.saabgroup.com/Civil-security/Police-and-Rescue-Solutions/Solutions-for-Police-Strategic-Command/Rapid-3D-Mapping/)

Henke556
11-16-2010, 02:58 PM
Nice to see that Thailand buys another 6 aircrafts. I wonder when the news reach the Swedish press? When they sign the new contract, will there be with an option for buying more Gripens? Any more info on that?

Here's a pair of articles in a local paper in Sweden, quite well written and nice pics:)

http://nwt.se/mera/motor/article803568.ece

http://nwt.se/mera/motor/article803569.ece

Googletranslatetion:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnwt.se%2Fmera%2Fmotor%2Farticle803568.ece&act=url


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnwt.se%2Fmera%2Fmotor%2Farticle803569.ece&act=url

fish_b
11-16-2010, 05:20 PM
Seems as though the Gripen is making its way slowly but surelly as a top contender for purchasing from all over the world.

I can only hope we get One of 3 variants so by taking out the french contender and leaving just 2 of the good planes a Gripen E/F is a very wet dream indeed .

Any news on the future definitive capabilaties as well as customer costumization of the Gripen ?

signatory
11-16-2010, 09:23 PM
@ Henke, sure expect new options but not to actually see one exercised as soon as this one.. I think their military has other priorities such as launching a submarine program but the options do come with expiration dates and usually good contents. Now it seems like the Thai's want more free hands on future capabilities so we can only sit and wait to see if they grab more of the same or initiate some different kind of process. Very interesting times ahead. This latest deal should be wrapped up very soon...

@ fisb_b

We can hope :) I think they got the next gen Gripen fairly right in time with the market 2015+ as pretty much the only new single engine jet with high capabilities for a decent purchasing and operating price and in the meantime can offer C/D machines before they get there...


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First Czech 39C machine hit 1000 flight hours on November 5th. Fleet has over 10,000Fh as you know. So congrats to Czechs for 5 years of accident free flights woot

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+ Thanks guys for reading and contributing to this news-thread! Almost 1 million views. Mostly accident free....

Skyman
11-17-2010, 10:17 AM
The cabinet approval of Thai phase 2 order is required by law. RTAF need to negotiate and come up with the final contract for cabinet review, after they approved RTAF will have an authority to sign that contract.

Now only one step needed is you need to prepare the pen with enough ink before signing it. :D

signatory
11-19-2010, 04:35 AM
Disclaimer; factual errors are unintentional.

Swedish Air Force: At The Crossroads

http://i52.*******.com/2rcpsg5dotjpg
Graphics: Volvo Aero.

The Volvo Aero Corporation (http://www.volvoaero.com/volvoaero/global/en-gb/Pages/volvo_aero.aspx) is finding itself in a unusual situation. To support their own ambition to deliver uprated RM12EF engines for the Swedish Air force Gripens as well as cooperate with General Electric on the F414G for Gripen exports and/or SwAF as well.

VAC outlines the RM12EF as being comparable in thrust at all altitudes but slightly lower on start. 30-40% cheaper on life-cycle costs for the SwAF over 30 years corresponding to 7 Bn SEK ($1Bn) due to their existing support chain. The second advantage they suggest is a stronger commonality with existing RM12 (http://www.volvoaero.com/volvoaero/global/en-gb/products/Aircraft%20engines/RM12/Pages/technical_data.aspx) users. VAC does identify risks on development as being slightly higher.

Reflection: VAC does not produce their own aircraft engines and instead do their main military business selling modified units, unique components and support services (http://www.volvoaero.com/volvoaero/global/en-gb/newsmedia/press_releases/_layouts/CWP.Internet.VolvoCom/NewsItem.aspx?News.ItemId=91777&News.Language=en-gb). While they own parts of the F414 and cooperate with GE their Swedish business unit would make the most money on a Swedish fleet of RM12 and/or RM12EF by selling various services. VAC has not flown their proposed engine upgrades and a ready product would be several years away. VAC says they were unable to offer this engine to Brazil due to FAB's 'tight schedule' (2016) so would they be able to provide RM12EF for Gripen E/F pre-production aircraft?

It's fair to believe that a RM12EF upgrade would be cheaper if the ambition is to only deliver increased thrust for SwAF aircraft. Volvo says nothing more on further upgrades to the RM12 beyond these (up tp) 22% while the F414G from start delivers up to 22% with further growth steps to uprate the engine on thrust and ways to lower life cycle costs already demonstrated for the USN. Actual thrust output depends on flight and throttle conditions. The Swedish ambition (http://tolgfors.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/gripen/) for Gripen E/F is to find a international partner and build on the same specifications. Today offers to countries such as Brazil means the F414G would also be flown by the SwAF. If no partner is found the specs, scope and schedules could change.

Volvo claiming 7 Bn SEK savings over 30 years otoh suggests the SwAF would fly Gripen until 2050. This is not the plan. No word on RM12EF fuel consumption which for the F414G is typically lower on Gripen than the RM12. How hot does it run compared to F414G? How's performance at supercruise conditions? Healthy rivalry? GE has been very forward on Gripen NG; they provided two F414 engines to Saab without costs and helped on engine integration. The Indian decision to select a version of F414 for its own single-engine fighter Tejas is also interesting during these circumstances. For the Gripen it's always good with competition between sub-contractors so users can select their own best way forward.

The armed forces has concluded a study on operating both C/D and E/F Gripens in the SwAF but right now they are not taking part in this public debate. Personally I think us deadly ones [especially some politicians] need to see a proper study on using either one or even both engines and preferably one offer with GE providing some support and spares through VAC (I expect this anyway) to form a final opinion before acting like lobbyists for individual companies in the defense industry. But in my humble opinion the more common sense decision on a long term commitment for Gripen that might include not just E/F but also G/H versions would be to select F414G for the SwAF. There's simply more growth in that engine based on current data and a better choice for exports (perhaps the only choice). The VAC offer of providing upgraded engines of the existing inventory also means these engines wouldn't be totally new.

In fact the F414G is what the SwAF has been ready for since 2008 for E/F when the state first began to support Gripen NG's on the export market.

RM12EF info: Volvo Aero PDF (in Swedish) (http://www.volvoaero.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/VAC/new%20site/documents/2010/Fakta%20om%20motorvalet.pdf)

Note: The Indian Ministry of Defence issued a $600m tender for the supply of 99 engines, modifications, ToT and integration. GE won (http://www.gereports.com/india-orders-99-ge-f414-engines-for-tejas-fighter-jet/) with their F414-INS6 as the lowest bidder. India will receive a uprated F414 adapted to single-engine use for both land based and naval fighters. With orders from India and the USN the number of F414-based engines will exceed 1300 units.

Everyone's opinion is welcomed. VAC will be sent this post.

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Sancho78
11-19-2010, 07:22 AM
The Swedish ambition (http://tolgfors.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/gripen/) for Gripen E/F is to find a international partner and build on the same specifications. Today offers to countries such as Brazil means the F414G would also be flown by the SwAF. If no partner is found the specs could change as well as the schedules.
Volvo claiming 7 Bn SEK saving over 30 years suggests the SwAF would fly Gripen until 2050. This is not the current plan. No mentioning on fuel consumption which for the F414G is typically lower on Gripen than the RM12. Healthy rivalry? Volvo has suddenly erased the F414 from their web-site (http://www.volvoaero.com/volvoaero/global/en-gb/products/Engine%20components/military_engines/Pages/Military%20engines.aspx) but they should know once you post pics on the web they never go away (http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3959/volvof414enginedotjpg). GE has been very forward on Gripen NG, they provided two F414 engines to Saab without costs and helped on engine integration. The Indian decision to select a version of F414 for its own single-engine fighter is also interesting during these circumstances.


Can you explain why the decision of India is interesting in this regard, or do they mean for Gripen E/F in MMRCA?



+ Thanks guys for reading and contributing to this news-thread! Almost 1 million views. Mostly accident free....

Good work btw!

Slenke
11-19-2010, 08:18 AM
Can you explain why the decision of India is interesting in this regard, or do they mean for Gripen E/F in MMRCA?
No he refers to the Tejas which will have the F414 engine. The F414 engine was originally developed for planes with two engines, which means that if you're gonna put it in a single-engined fighter you'll need to make sure it's even more reliable than before. You need to double up on things to create redundancy. This was done with the Swedish version of the 404-engine, the RM12 which turned out to be very reliable.

Sancho78
11-21-2010, 07:41 AM
No he refers to the Tejas which will have the F414 engine. The F414 engine was originally developed for planes with two engines, which means that if you're gonna put it in a single-engined fighter you'll need to make sure it's even more reliable than before. You need to double up on things to create redundancy. This was done with the Swedish version of the 404-engine, the RM12 which turned out to be very reliable.

Hi I know that he refers to Tejas her, but my question was, why the engine selection for Tejas is interesting for Volvo, or Saab? I guess because of commonality in regard of MMRCA, or are there other reasons?
Would be interesting to know, if Volvo proposed to help on Kaveri engines thrust upgrade, like Snecma did, because that would have been an advantage for Saab and Gripen, because Saab could have combined it with the offer to join AMCA.

signatory
11-21-2010, 07:53 AM
Hi I know that he refers to Tejas her, but my question was, why the engine selection for Tejas is interesting for Volvo, or Saab? I guess because of commonality in regard of MMRCA, or are there other reasons?
Would be interesting to know, if Volvo proposed to help on Kaveri engines thrust upgrade, like Snecma did, because that would have been an advantage for Saab and Gripen, because Saab could have combined it with the offer to join AMCA.

Well the main interesting aspect is the use of an engine for single-engine applications and that they will receive a version with higher thrust than the baseline engine. In my opinion these interesting parts has nothing to do with the MMRCA but instead what might become an interesting candidate product for Gripen NG and also from the view of finding a second user on the same engine. Volvo has some kind of arrangement with DRDO and the Gas Turbine Research Institute on propulsion systems but how much they actually do if anything that I don't know. I don't think any assistance on Kaveri would help Saab in the MMRCA tender either.

+ Thanks for the kind words earlier Sancho78 :)

Slenke
11-21-2010, 07:58 AM
Hi I know that he refers to Tejas her, but my question was, why the engine selection for Tejas is interesting for Volvo, or Saab? I guess because of commonality in regard of MMRCA, or are there other reasons?
I just answered that. Volvo Aero and SAAB are interested because of the process of turning an engine originally developed for 2-engined planes, into an engine fit for a single-engined plane. The F414 will, as you know, be put into the Gripen NG.

The commonality with MMRCA I think is an added bonus and a sales argument.

Sancho78
11-21-2010, 08:27 AM
Volvo has some kind of arrangement with DRDO and the Gas Turbine Research Institute on propulsion systems but how much they actually do if anything that I don't know. I don't think any assistance on Kaveri would help Saab in the MMRCA tender either.

I do, Saab/Gripen can point in MMRCA only on cost basis, but lacks on many others, especially on beeing operational, or on politics, which means Saab has to offer something else, that others can't (or only a few can). Imo this would be the team up on AMCA with assistance, or co-developments on AESA radar and Kaveri engine. We know that the base techs of Tejas MK2 will be used for AMCA too, we also know that Saab proposed a stealth fighter design to S. Korea and the the offer of Gripen E/F combined with the offer to co-develop AMCA and the neccesary engine and radar techs could be a big point for Saab.
Boeing can't offer the same, because of US gov and law restrictions, the EF partners have enough trouble to fund the EF and EADS alone is pushing for a radar co-development for Tejas. India already teamed up with the Russians for a 5. gen fighter, so there is not much more to gain from. Which leaves only the French and although they can offer co-developments on the base techs (AESA radar and engine), Dassault has no plans for a 5. gen fighter development, but focuses on making Rafale steathier and on UCAVs.
Saab instead has already 5. gen fighter studies going on and what is more likely? That that Swedish Forces will go for Gripen E/F, or even G/H as the article said, or would like to get a co-developed AMCA?
I told you before, I think it was a big miss for both countries that we didn't joined on Gripen/Tejas, but this could be a second chance. ;)
Otherwise I don't see chances for Gripen in India, because it simply offers not enough and Rafale is better suited, while the Super Hornet might win on political and cost reasons.

signatory
11-21-2010, 09:36 AM
I do, Saab/Gripen can point in MMRCA only on cost basis, but lacks on many others, especially on beeing operational, or on politics, which means Saab has to offer something else, that others can't (or only a few can). Imo this would be the team up on AMCA with assistance, or co-developments on AESA radar and Kaveri engine. We know that the base techs of Tejas MK2 will be used for AMCA too, we also know that Saab proposed a stealth fighter design to S. Korea and the the offer of Gripen E/F combined with the offer to co-develop AMCA and the neccesary engine and radar techs could be a big point for Saab.
Boeing can't offer the same, because of US gov and law restrictions, the EF partners have enough trouble to fund the EF and EADS alone is pushing for a radar co-development for Tejas. India already teamed up with the Russians for a 5. gen fighter, so there is not much more to gain from. Which leaves only the French and although they can offer co-developments on the base techs (AESA radar and engine), Dassault has no plans for a 5. gen fighter development, but focuses on making Rafale steathier and on UCAVs.
Saab instead has already 5. gen fighter studies going on and what is more likely? That that Swedish Forces will go for Gripen E/F, or even G/H as the article said, or would like to get a co-developed AMCA?
I told you before, I think it was a big miss for both countries that we didn't joined on Gripen/Tejas, but this could be a second chance. ;)
Otherwise I don't see chances for Gripen in India, because it simply offers not enough and Rafale is better suited, while the Super Hornet might win on political and cost reasons.

Well maybe but the ToT also has to match requirements and be absorbed properly. I don't really buy into this offer this and offer that position. India is strong enough to select pretty much who and whatever they want as sub-contractors and for assistance if they need to without first getting it through offset-deals. Right now they have yet to identify their requirements on a MCA so I am sure they will study first what needs to be done, what they can do it, and whenever they need to find foreign components or assistance they will scan the market and include India's own ToT requirements in those proposals. Technology wise I don't think India over time really need that much foreign ToT anyway. Saab's offer is to give them alot of ToT on design, systems and weapons integration and war winning solutions on COTS hardware which could prove interesting for a country that seeks to either develop its own products or pick sub-components from a open market. But the main offer is to deliver a fresh cost-effective multirole fighter to close a fighter gap that still exists in the country, and that is the reason why India launched the MMRCA. They didn't launch it just so big powers could spoon-feed them with (mostly current gen) technology that India might not even need as a return favor for buying billions worth of aircraft. Most of all they need jets.

Sweden plan to fly Gripen until 2040 which does impliy a G/H version of some kind but that doesn't mean next gen collaborations will not start sooner which is why Sweden does the 5G+ research to get an advanced position in such a program but it's far too soon to even talk about these... but that first target would naturally be a European program and there's some arrangements in place already for this under ETAP and EDA's FAS4Europe (FAS=Future Air System).

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Tossing in this article which is mostly a summary of recent MMRCA news/rumours since this is a news-thread after all. Sorry chaps p-)

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Aviation Week: Shortlisting, Shortly

Nov 22, 2010
By Asia-Pacific Staff
New Delhi

The downselect, which industry officials had widely expected would not take place until after February’s Aero India show in Bangalore, could become official as early as next month, program watchers indicate. The actual announcement of the decision, however, is still not expected until after the air show. Remaining in the battle to build at least 126 fighters would be the Saab Gripen, the only single-engine offering, along with the Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

[...]

The Gripen appears to have found indirect support from the government. The director of the Indian government’s official air power think tank says the Gripen suits the service’s requirements best. In a recent column, Air Commo.Jasjit Singh writes: “The choice that comes closest to the ‘medium’ multirole aircraft that the [Indian air force] has been seeking since a decade ago is the [Indian version of the Gripen NG].”

Source (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?topicName=Check6&id=news/awst/2010/11/22/AW_11_22_2010_p35-270656.xml&headline=Shortlisting,%20Shortly&channel=&from=topicalreports)

signatory
11-23-2010, 04:23 AM
NTM: Czech insight

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/343/5088835331a84392780azdotjpg
Photo: Vincent Paige

Text from CzAF 211 Squadron on Nato Tiger Meet (http://www.211squadron.cz/letka/ntm10.html). It's all in Czech but perhaps google (http://translate.google.se/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=cs&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.211squadron.cz%2Fletka%2Fntm10.html) is still your friend.

Czech Tigers Honored

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7627/3041820120dotjpg
211th Tactical Squadron

Upon their return to the Czech Republic, the men and women of 211 Tactical Squadron where welcomed as heroes, with articles about both Czech Squadrons and the NATO Tiger Association in all major newspapers, and prime-time TV interviews.

All this media exposure led to an extremely positive impact with the public opinion, which is a good thing for the future of both the Czech Squadrons and the NTA.
211 squadron, represented by Lt. Col. Jaroslav Mika callsign “GYRO”, was decorated with the medal of the Ministry of Defense.

NATO Tiger Association (http://www.natotigers.org/tigernews/index.php?newsID=122)

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Saab AB Selects SDL LiveContent for Gripen Fighter Aircraft Program

22 November 2010

SDL, (LSE:SDL) the leading provider of Global Information Management solutions, is pleased to announce that it has been chosen by Swedish aerospace company Saab, to meet the needs of the Interactive Electronic Technical Publication (IETP) requirements of the Gripen fighter aircraft program. Gripen is the first of the new generation, multi-role combat aircraft to enter service. The Gripen IETP project is a two-year, multi-phase project with simultaneous deliveries via CD and the Web to ensure that the most accurate and up-to-date information is available for the Swedish War Fighter.

Saab evaluated many commercially available, off-the-shelf IETP products against its current and future user requirements, as well as system design goals, before choosing SDL LiveContent™, an interactive delivery solution that provides advanced distribution and viewing of XML content. SDL LiveContent, recently named one of KMWorld Magazine’s Trend-Setting Products, implements the new data model/schema for S1000D 4.0, which is now regarded as the premiere standard in the aerospace and defense industries. The new 4.0 specification makes it easier to author content, provides more intuitive XML tags, and adds a new level of consistency and coherence to the specification.

“Saab conducted a rigorous evaluation to select the tools that best aligned with its strategic project goals,” said Kevin Duffy, CEO, SDL Structured Content Technologies division. “The support and services team knew exactly what they needed to do, to meet their customer and end user needs and they found the best fit with SDL. We are very pleased to have been selected by such a strategic, growth-oriented company and we’re looking forward to supporting Saab’s success with the Gripen program,” Duffy said.

SDL (http://www.sdl.com/en/about-us/press/2010/saab-ab-selects-sdl-livecontent.asp)

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RM12EF

The debate on engine for the SwAF continues. I got some clarifying points from Volvo (http://www.volvoaero.com/volvoaero/se/sv-se/newsmedia/future_combat_aircraft/Pages/Default.aspx)'s Robert Limmergård with perhaps the main one being:

RM12EF is intended only for aircraft that carries the airframe hull corresponding to C/D machines. Modifications seems to be very minor. RM12EF is however not for NG-hulls with the larger fuel tanks etc. What Volvo seeks is a discussion on what Swedish E/F machines should look like.

GE is unwilling to open up on the F414G design-side and Volvo is not really interested in only producing parts. Apparently there will be some kind of entry into this debate on Newsmill (http://www.newsmill.se/) shortly.

Note: I write about this here since Sweden is contracted to support 3 of the 4 export countries and they all use RM12 so what the SwAF will do with its own RM12-fleet is naturally of interest to these countries too.

Breerman
11-23-2010, 06:34 AM
^
I didn't get that from reading that Volvo Aero brochure. Quite the contrary actually since everything they seem to talk about is how well RM12EF would fit the new aircraft.

The RM12EF would IMO be the better choice with lower costs/cost of risk and with similar performance to F414G. Current NG Demo has a t/w ratio that according to public data is at parity with F-22 and significantly higher than F-35. There are other parameters as well but I think it's safe to say that this performance level will be sufficient to 2040.

That extra F414G-money should much rather be spent on EW (active cancellation?) and other enhancements. I just read that Boeing apparently has stated that the F-15 Silent Eagle have a frontal RCS in range of F-35.

What was that moron Allan Widman mumbling about? Procurement of 100 new aircrafts?

I don't know what kind of service life the SwAF Gripen C/D fleet has left in them but at least in the past the date 2040 was always mentioned. Given that this is possible and that Saab secures a Gripen NG export order the best option given the circumstances might likely be to:

- Pre-order a limited batch (less than a squadron) Gripen BR/IN (F414G) for the SwAF 2012-2015
- REMO current Gripen C/D fleet to the same standard and beyond but with RM12EF ~2020 for an intended service life until 2040.

Slenke
11-23-2010, 06:59 AM
^
I didn't get that from reading that Volvo Aero brochure. Quite the contrary actually since everything they seem to talk about is how well RM12EF would fit the new aircraft.

The RM12EF would IMO be the better choice with lower costs/cost of risk and with similar performance to F414G. Current NG Demo has a t/w ratio that according to public data is at parity with F-22 and significantly higher than F-35. There are other parameters as well but I think it's safe to say that this performance level will be sufficient to 2040.

That extra F414G-money should much rather be spent on EW (active cancellation?) and other enhancements. I just read that Boeing apparently has stated that the F-15 Silent Eagle have a frontal RCS in range of F-35.

What was that moron Allan Widman mumbling about? Procurement of 100 new aircrafts?

I don't know what kind of service life the SwAF Gripen C/D fleet has left in them but at least in the past the date 2040 was always mentioned. Given that this is possible and that Saab secures a Gripen NG export order the best option given the circumstances might likely be to:

- Pre-order a limited batch (less than a squadron) Gripen BR/IN (F414G) for the SwAF 2012-2015
- REMO current Gripen C/D fleet to the same standard and beyond but with RM12EF ~2020 for an intended service life until 2040.
I do not agree. Volvo hasn't said anything about increased fuel efficiancy for a supposed RM12EF. For Gripen to be competitive, not only on the export market but also for national defence, it's overall performance needs to be increased by quite a lot. Everything needs to be increased; supercruise, EW, IR-sensors, radar, weapons-carriage, range (especially since the BAS-90 system doesn't work without conscription) and a net gain in overall performance compared to Gripen C/D. Also, Sweden not using the same engines as future export customers makes it look like they're not believing in their own product.

signatory
11-23-2010, 07:03 AM
Sweden and Thailand signs new Gripen deal

Publicerad: 2010-11-23 12:52

Sweden and Thailand today signed an agreement for the delivery of a further six Gripen fighter aircraft together with one Saab 340 Airborne Early Warning surveillance system and the Swedish RB 15F missile system.

http://www.fmv.se/ImageVault/Images/id_1087/conversionFormat_4/scope_4/webSafe_1/ImageVaultHandler.aspx

At a ceremony in Stockholm today, the Director General of Sweden’s Defence Materiel Administration, FMV, Gunnar Holmgren and Ittha**** Subhawong, Air Chief Marshal, Commander in Chief of the Royal Thai Air Force, signed an agreement for the delivery of a further six Gripen fighter aircraft together with one Saab 340 Airborne Early Warning surveillance system and the Swedish RB 15F missile system.

This is the second phase of the co-operation between the Kingdom of Sweden and the Kingdom of Thailand, the first phase started with the agreement in February 2008. Today’s agreement consists of six Gripen fighter aircraft of the latest C version together with one Saab 340 Airborne Early Warning surveillance system and the Swedish RB 15F missile system.

In a comment to the agreement the Director General of FMV, Gunnar Holmgren stated:

“I am very pleased that we have been able to conclude the negotiations of phase 2 in a successful way for both parties. The content in phase 2 and phase 1 will give RTAF a very capable air defence together with both surveillance and net work centric operation capability”

The agreement also includes logistic support and training. Delivery of the Gripen aircraft will take place during 2013.

Since 1 August 2010 Sweden has a new authority to promote defense export and benefit Swedish defence and security policies, the Swedish Defense and Security Export Agency (FXM).

In a comment to the agreement the Director General of FXM, Ulf Hammarström stated:

“From FXM I am very pleased to see the co-operation between Sweden and Thailand further strengthened through the new agreement. We look forward to take part in the continuing co-operation between the two countries”

Due to the commercial terms of the agreement the value is not to be disclosed.

For further information please contact Ulf Lindström, Communications Manager at FMV, cell phone + 46 70 982 63 96, E-mail: ulf.lindstrom@fmv.se or Cina Gerdin, Head of Communications at FXM, cell phone + 46 766219311, E-mail: cina.gerdin@fxm.se

:D (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=5416)

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Saab receives FMV Gripen order for Thailand

23 November 2010, in Press Release

Defence and security company Saab has received an order from FMV (Swedish Defence Material Administration) for six Gripen aircraft intended for the Royal Thai Air Force. The order is worth approximately 2,2 billion SEK.
The six Gripen aircraft are of the single-seat C version and the project duration is between 2010 -2013. They are part of an intergovernmental business transaction where FMV, as representative of the Government of Sweden, sells an integrated air-defence system based on products manufactured by Saab, including Gripen.

Saab’s role in this business transaction is to, as an FMV sub-supplier, deliver the ordered Gripen aircraft and to upgrade the Saab Erieye radar system equipped Saab 340 that FMV is selling to Thailand.

The order is a follow-up to an earlier order from 2008 when FMV ordered six Gripen intended for Thailand.

“The order strengthens the co-operation between Thailand and Sweden. It also serves as further proof of Saab’s ability to deliver sophisticated integrated defence systems as well as strengthening international faith in the Gripen system,” says Håkan Buskhe CEO of Saab.


Saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/Saab-receives-FMV-Gripen-order-for-Thailand/)

signatory
11-23-2010, 07:14 AM
@ Breerman, RM12EF is out of the question for a new aircraft that is based on the hull that is commonly refered to as NG. What they talk about is E/F and E/F is not defined yet. Volvo's guy said this not once but twice because I wanted to verify this fact to end alot of debates on what could be possible ways forward, they can not offer RM12EF to either the Demonstrator or NG. The military is wrapping up its position on capability requirements right now, if they want longer range for a number of machines these machines will not be built with RM12 or RM12EF.*



* I suppose it's theoretically possible to order the design of new C/D airframes with new internal fuel tanks and new landing gears plus the use of RM12EF. But it has to be done through such a major effort.. can't be a hack like Gripen Demo. This is why Saab will build proper test vehicles for the Gripen NG program.. create new blueprints, new structural testing. New flight tests.

Sancho78
11-23-2010, 07:15 AM
But the main offer is to deliver a fresh cost-effective multirole fighter to close a fighter gap that still exists in the country, and that is the reason why India launched the MMRCA. They didn't launch it just so big powers could spoon-feed them with (mostly current gen) technology that India might not even need as a return favor for buying billions worth of aircraft. Most of all they need jets.


You are right about that the competition was issued initially to close the gap, but that was MRCA with Mirage 2000-5, Gripen C/D, F16 B52 and Mig 29SMT, but now we have M-MRCA. The GoI and MoD didn't take the chance to close the gap then and opted for a bigger competition that we see now and that is about political, offset and technological advantages for India. That's why I say, that Gripen E/F has only the cost-effectiveness to offer, while it lacks behind in those key areas.
Secondly even if the aim would be fast induction and reducing the number gap, already operational fighters like F16 B60, F18SH, or the Rafale that will be available from 2012 on, have obviously clear advantages over the Gripen, that still will need quiet some time to offer fully developed and operational Gripen E/Fs.



Tossing in this article which is mostly a summary of recent MMRCA news/rumours since this is a news-thread after all. Sorry chaps p-)


Sure, just asked because I didn't understand the part of the article and wanted your opinion on a possible co-development offer be it for Kaveri engine, or AMCA.

Regards

Breerman
11-23-2010, 07:26 AM
I do not agree. Volvo hasn't said anything about increased fuel efficiancy for a supposed RM12EF.
Volvo Aero states that RM12EF will have a 30-40% lower life-cycle cost compared to F414G.

http://www.volvoaero.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/VAC/new%20site/documents/2010/Fakta%20om%20motorvalet.pdf


For Gripen to be competitive, not only on the export market but also for national defence, it's overall performance needs to be increased by quite a lot. Everything needs to be increased; supercruise, EW, IR-sensors, radar, weapons-carriage, range (especially since the BAS-90 system doesn't work without conscription) and a net gain in overall performance compared to Gripen C/D. Also, Sweden not using the same engines as future export customers makes it look like they're not believing in their own product.
Everything above is a given one and on track. What I said was that the extra money spent on F414G won't be of any real use since RM12EF can provide similar performance. F414G would arguably have better potential for an even higher output but I don't see any real need for that for the reasons mentioned. That extra money is better spent on other areas.

Btw I think BAS-90 was scrapped years ago.

Edit: As noted now RM12EF is out of question for an NG upgrade.

signatory
11-23-2010, 07:35 AM
Secondly even if the aim would be fast induction and reducing the number gap, already operational fighters like F16 B60, F18SH, or the Rafale that will be available from 2012 on, have obviously clear advantages over the Gripen, that still will need quiet some time to offer fully developed and operational Gripen E/Fs.

Sure, just asked because I didn't understand the part of the article and wanted your opinion on a possible co-development offer be it for Kaveri engine, or AMCA.

Regards

Yea they want to close the gap but not with something that is outdated on delivery. I've seen several comments from the IAF/MoD that they want absolutely the latest tech so imo they dont have to spend large sums on upgrades on these largely foreign machines in the future. If a technology solution is operational today and has been since a few years it's probably a bit too old already in some ways. But no one knows how much those factors will weigh in... The RFP stipulates that the first machines should be delivered 36 months after contract signature which means no earlier than 2014.

Breerman
11-23-2010, 07:40 AM
@ Breerman, RM12EF is out of the question for a new aircraft that is based on the hull that is commonly refered to as NG. What they talk about is E/F and E/F is not defined yet. Volvo's guy said this not once but twice because I wanted to verify this fact to end alot of debates on what could be possible ways forward, they can not offer RM12EF to either the Demonstrator or NG. The military is wrapping up its position on capability requirements right now, if they want longer range for a number of machines these machines will not be built with RM12 or RM12EF.
Ok taget

Then it's a different story really.

Given the politicians we have SwAF will probably go for the cheapest option which would be a REMO with the same hulls and a mod of the same engine. Then I guess the question would be if it's possible to increase the weapons load (including larger drop tanks) on existing platforms. Maybe in combination with buddy refueling. I don't know much about flying but I know that fuel capacity is important not just for range but for kinematic advantage.

Slenke
11-23-2010, 08:52 AM
Volvo Aero states that RM12EF will have a 30-40% lower life-cycle cost compared to F414G.

http://www.volvoaero.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/VAC/new%20site/documents/2010/Fakta%20om%20motorvalet.pdf
Better fuel-economy allows for better range, Volvo says nothing about that.



Everything above is a given one and on track. What I said was that the extra money spent on F414G won't be of any real use since RM12EF can provide similar performance. F414G would arguably have better potential for an even higher output but I don't see any real need for that for the reasons mentioned. That extra money is better spent on other areas.

Btw I think BAS-90 was scrapped years ago.

Edit: As noted now RM12EF is out of question for an NG upgrade.

I know BAS-90 was scrapped years ago, even so they had an exercise not long ago. What I was trying to say as that without BAS-90 you need planes with better range and ability to carry more weapons. Thus I see the NG-airframe with the F414 as the only realistic option, unless the common stupidity of the Swedish politicians and military will prevail. Gripen needs a net gain in performace, not just same performance as C/D with a few extra weapons on it.

madschristoffer
11-23-2010, 10:37 AM
....Thailand
The Royal Thai Air Force ordered six aircraft with six more on option,



looks like its time for an wiki update on the gripen ;)

jontew
11-23-2010, 11:36 AM
Good times.....good times! :D

Breerman
11-24-2010, 01:05 AM
I know BAS-90 was scrapped years ago, even so they had an exercise not long ago.
Don't think it was under the same name but who knows.


What I was trying to say as that without BAS-90 you need planes with better range and ability to carry more weapons. Thus I see the NG-airframe with the F414 as the only realistic option, unless the common stupidity of the Swedish politicians and military will prevail. Gripen needs a net gain in performace, not just same performance as C/D with a few extra weapons on it.
Agreed, but what we realistically can hope for now is a NG export order resulting in either a mixed fleet for the SwAF or a unitary NG/F414G-fleet.

signatory
11-29-2010, 11:18 AM
- Swedish debate -

One note of clarification on the Volvo RM12EF debate. Without taking input from politicans into consideration on engine choice.. what Volvo themselves look for is a debate on a Plan B option in case state obligations towards the export market is not exercised. Such as if Brazil says no to Gripen NG. If they otoh pick up NG then this debate - according to Volvo - will be gone.

Plan B as seen by Volvo could involve the slot-in engine upgrade to C/D aircraft with a more powerful RM12 to be followed by a larger next step that includes a new airframe with larger fuel-tanks combined with a yet more powerful RM12(EF) engine the one said to be comparable to the F414 at 22Klbs. Another option could be to skip the first step all together.

The airframe most commenly refered to as the NG and built for the F414G is otoh already in development so if time and/or export factors is viewed more important than possible savings on the engine side (by using upgraded RM12's) Plan A (NG/F414) would likely also be the fundamendal design choice for a Plan B...

Been checking off the opinion amongst people and firms behind this debate in the previous week. Getting good new input from Volvo and some politicans. I think some of them [politicians] are still a bit too confused and I advice people with more questions to address them directly to the companies behind the products for confirmation on what's even possible.

-- end blah blah -

p-)

signatory
11-29-2010, 11:21 AM
Since there's no new news I thought I could post some Jane's stuff (etc) from earlier this year that is now public material in their IDR Samle issue. At least I don't remember seeing it here

http://i56.*******.com/15gck0ydotjpg

IDR Sample Issue (http://www.janes.com/advertising/pdf/IDR_sample_issue.pdf)

Preview:

Further improvements to the sensor suite
are also being evaluated, including the potential
to add 360 degree passive sensor
coverage to the aircraft in a similar way to
Northrop Grumman’s Distributed Aperture
System (DAS).

Note: "the NG may embrace the same pilot helmet used on the F-35." source (http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,179416,00.html)

Studies have also been initiated
to examine the potential anti-stealth
applications of Saab’s Coherent All RAdio
BAnd Sensing (CARABAS) ultra-wideband
ground surveillance synthetic aperture radar
(SAR) technology in an air-to-air role.
“We already have this technology in the
VHF band,” Lt Col Nilsson asserts, but “are
there any tactical applications ? Could we rebuild this as a stealth
finder? There are studies.”

http://i53.*******.com/8ytjdjdotjpg

Whereas all existing AESA systems
utilise a fixed antenna, Raven will feature
a ‘swashplate’ design whereby the angled
antenna can be rotated to increase its field
of regard. According to Lt Col Nilsson this
essentially allows the coverage of the radar
to be increased from the ±70 degrees provided
by the current generation of AESAs
to around ±105 degrees.

Furthermore, while the performance
of existing systems typically degrades beyond
±40 degrees, Raven avoids this problem
according to Bob Mason, Executive
Vice President Marketing and Sales Radar
and Advanced Targeting at Selex Gallileo.

“The swashplate design ensures full performance
throughout the field of regard by
mechanically repositioning the array to the
optimum position,” states Mason.
Specifically with regards to air-to-air combat
the ability to reposition the antenna in
this way in effect allows the radar to ‘look
over its shoulder’, and the pilot to track targets
marginally behind the aircraft, enabling
mid-course direction of missiles even in
high off-boresight scenarios. “This additional
40-50 degrees [therefore] gives you an
enormous advantage in the BVR role,” says
Lt Col Nilsson.

At present a prototype system is installed
in the Gripen Demonstrator aircraft, with
this test article set to be subjected to a number
of incremental ‘capability drops’ over
the course of the next three years until the
radar reaches production standard. “The
production standard radar will be ready by
2013,” states Mason, “however Selex and
Saab have agreed a complete capability
roadmap out to 2020, which has a number
of capability insertions to meet expected requirements
in those timescales.”

http://i55.*******.com/aphyedotjpg

[I]Note: "M-MRCA Contract by March 2011” Source (http://www.vayuaerospace.in/images1/Interview_with_IAF_Air_Chief.pdf)

Effort will also be expended on reducing
the aircraft’s radar cross section (RCS)
through modifications to the air-intakes and
wing leading edge and the use of composite
materials and new surface coatings.
RCS reduction measures are not new to
the Gripen programme. “From the very
start we have worked with this issue,” explains
Lehander. “After the latest changes
we have made, [reducing RCS] is nothing
more to do with the aircraft, it is the weapons.”

As a result of this realisation, further
work on this aspect of the Gripen NG’s design
has included the possibility of installing
weapons within conformal fuel tanks in
a similar way to that proposed by Boeing as
part of the proposed ‘Silent Eagle’ variant of
the F-15.

The issue of RCS reduction for the aircraft’s
stores will also be helped by the
new weaponry employed by the Gripen NG
such as the clearance of the MBDA Meteor
beyond visual range (BVR) and Diehl
IRIS-T within visual range (WVR) air-to-air
missiles. “AMRAAMs [advanced mediumrange
air-to-air missiles are] not very good
RCS wise, whereas the new missiles have
RCS thinking behind them,” Lt Col Nilsson
points out. New weapons pylons are also
planned as part of this effort, “the survivability
and RCS area is continuous work”,
adds Lt Col Nilsson

The Gripen production line is currently
running at a rate of 12 aircraft per year, comprising
eight new-build aircraft and four A/B
to C/D rebuilds for the Swedish Air Force,
with the order book able to sustain production
until at least 2014.

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Videos of relevance:

2010/08/16
Bob Mason Presents AESA RADAR for Gripen (http://saab.picsearch.tv/?cat=&q=&bandwidth=high&lmediaid=IhEwytG4mAgY7DbBp0Hklg&order=posted&mediaid=Wi_ArLh8vNiSpsJWpL-XbA&page=1)
Bob Mason Presents ES 05 RAVEN AESA RADAR for Gripen at Farnborough Airshow 2010


2010/08/20
NG presentation at Farnborough Airshow (http://saab.picsearch.tv/?cat=&q=NG&bandwidth=high&lmediaid=KsdNGN-LcOAyrAxGo1hPTA&order=posted&mediaid=IhEwytG4mAgY7DbBp0Hklg&page=1)
Eddy De La Motte presents Gripen NG Demonstrator at Farnborough Airshow

Slenke
11-29-2010, 11:48 AM
- Swedish debate -

One note of clarification on the Volvo RM12EF debate. Without taking input from politicans into consideration on engine choice.. what Volvo themselves look for is a debate on a Plan B option in case state obligations towards the export market is not exercised. Such as if Brazil says no to Gripen NG. If they otoh pick up NG then this debate - according to Volvo - will be gone.

Plan B as seen by Volvo could involve the slot-in engine upgrade to C/D aircraft with a more powerful RM12 to be followed by a larger next step that includes a new airframe with larger fuel-tanks combined with a yet more powerful RM12(EF) engine the one said to be comparable to the F414 at 22Klbs. Another option could be to skip the first step all together.

The airframe most commenly refered to as the NG and built for the F414G is otoh already in development so if time and/or export factors is viewed more important than possible savings on the engine side (by using upgraded RM12's) Plan A (NG/F414) would likely also be the fundamendal design choice for a Plan B...

Been checking off the opinion amongst people and firms behind this debate in the previous week. Getting good new input from Volvo and some politicans. I think some of them [politicians] are still a bit too confused and I advice people with more questions to address them directly to the companies behind the products for confirmation on what's even possible.

-- end blah blah -

p-)
If Brazil and India says no to Gripen, what do you think will happen?

signatory
11-29-2010, 01:45 PM
If Brazil and India says no to Gripen, what do you think will happen?

Hm I think Sweden will support the airframe/engine that Saab is designing, soon building, and eventually test flying for its own export ambitions. (Basically what's offered to BR, IN) because it's very difficult to justify from reading the procurement policy to invest in two new Swedish development programs without having the export market in mind. First continued support such as shared R&D on test vehicles and then in the future a purchase to meet our own time schedules.

There's still many years to find a export partner for the Swedish needs but not so much time if we need to activate a Plan B based on RM12EF if it's to have more fuel etc. Maybe it's possible to do a bit of both since by all accounts we will fly C/D for quite some time regardless of a E/F purchase.. they will most certainly get a new sensor upgrade.. maybe it's still possible to get a more modest thrust increase on RM12 for a number of jets that we plan to fly the longest without changing airframe (it's a slot-in replacement) and also present this to existing export users.. We could order Saab to build a E/F that works with RM12EF but if this is not a product Saab themselves want I assume the total cost will be presented as unreasonably high compared to NG/F414G where they already take some spending on themselves.

There's other potentional "NG" customers but the state's obligations currently is only towards Brazil.. and has been in more informal ways towards Switzerland by offering MS21. This could change with a vote in Parliament in about 2 weeks time afaik. If they agree to the gov's proposal the NG-offer will be available to all countries. And not just to new users of Gripen of course..

xav
11-29-2010, 01:50 PM
Sweden and Thailand signs new Gripen deal


Does the deal involves chickens this time too ?

BjornD
11-29-2010, 01:54 PM
- Swedish debate -

One note of clarification on the Volvo RM12EF debate. Without taking input from politicans into consideration on engine choice.. what Volvo themselves look for is a debate on a Plan B option in case state obligations towards the export market is not exercised. Such as if Brazil says no to Gripen NG. If they otoh pick up NG then this debate - according to Volvo - will be gone.

Plan B as seen by Volvo could involve the slot-in engine upgrade to C/D aircraft with a more powerful RM12 to be followed by a larger next step that includes a new airframe with larger fuel-tanks combined with a yet more powerful RM12(EF) engine the one said to be comparable to the F414 at 22Klbs. Another option could be to skip the first step all together.

The airframe most commenly refered to as the NG and built for the F414G is otoh already in development so if time and/or export factors is viewed more important than possible savings on the engine side (by using upgraded RM12's) Plan A (NG/F414) would likely also be the fundamendal design choice for a Plan B...

Been checking off the opinion amongst people and firms behind this debate in the previous week. Getting good new input from Volvo and some politicans. I think some of them [politicians] are still a bit too confused and I advice people with more questions to address them directly to the companies behind the products for confirmation on what's even possible.

-- end blah blah -

p-)

This makes sense. Volvo is participating in a planned upgrade RM12EF to the Gripen C/D fleet now in service. There will be an upgraded engine and conformal fuel tanks. Saab will also work on reducing the RCS further, one option is converting the conformal fuel tanks to weapon bays as in Boeing F-15SE (silent eagle), the other option is stealthier pylons as JANES pointed out. One must remember that C/D is a fairly new aircraft expected to be in service for example with Thailand and South-Africa for perhaps 30 years.

signatory
11-29-2010, 04:48 PM
Does the deal involves chickens this time too ?

No and chickens was not part of the previous deal either. Or on any of the four export deals won by Gripen.

Back in 2004 PM Thaksin suggested on himself a exchange of food products instead of money since Russia had offered something like that but of course EU regulations doesn't allow for barter trade with Non-EU raised chickens.

Beast of war
12-01-2010, 12:33 PM
http://i56.*******.com/4r9sbadotjpg
Swedish Gripen

Beast of war
12-01-2010, 12:45 PM
http://i55.*******.com/nmdlzodotjpg
Nice one!

Beast of war
12-01-2010, 12:50 PM
http://i53.*******.com/zlda9kdotjpg
Swedish Air Force Gripens.

Sancho78
12-01-2010, 01:51 PM
Not directly Gripen related, but interesting by the fact that we recently talked about it:



Work on India's AMCA design will last into next year as funding commitments grow

...Program officials indicate that talk have begun with Sweden's Saab on technology consultancy and partnership, although the company refused to comment. ...http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/TPTmvdVUQmI/AAAAAAAALvw/DRqDU_UmL5E/s1600/amcadotjpg

kme
12-01-2010, 08:36 PM
Beast of war, are these beautiful pictures available in higher resolution for use as desktop background? Any copyright problem with them?

signatory
12-01-2010, 09:03 PM
Yeap really nice photos.

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Gripen in Wikileaks:

On ISAF:



2008-04-11 15:03
¶3. (C) For the battalion OMLT to be operationally effective
would require a change in the current Swedish policy that
decisions to deploy Swedish soldiers outside their PRT area
be made in Stockholm, rather than in the field. Our sources
indicate no such deliberation is underway. In addition, the
Swedish Armed Forces has indicated its desire on several
occasions to deploy Medevac helicopters, JAS-39 Gripen
aircraft and possibly additional soldiers in its PRT.

source (http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/04/08STOCKHOLM272.html)



2008-01-22 15:03

¶4. (C) Regarding the possibility of Sweden sending JAS Gripen fighters to Afghanistan, Ahlin said the Social Democrats had told the Moderate-led Alliance government they would not agree to this mission. Afghanis would not be able to distinguish Swedish planes from those of countries engaged in combat operations in Iraq, per Ahlin. (Note: The Swedish military continues to argue for a Gripen mission to Afghanistan,) Kosovo and the Balkans ----------------------

source (http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/01/08STOCKHOLM51.html)

On Thailand:




Friday, 04 December 2009, 08:28

16. (SBU) One area in which potential cooperation has not been fully realized is in military armaments. Thaksin started pursuing possible deals for Russian weapons in 2003 in exchange for debts Russia had incurred earlier in purchasing Thai rice. In 2005 Thaksin had attempted to broker a deal with Putin in which Russia would sell a dozen Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jets to Thailand in exchange for 250,000 tons of frozen poultry worth $500 million. In the end, however, the deal fell through; in October 2007, Thailand signed a $1.1 billion agreement to purchase six Saab JAS-39 Gripen jets from Sweden.

Viktor Bout

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/238045)

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Recce Pod Integration programme for South African Gripen at full speed

The Gripen weapons and sensor integration programme is constantly evolving and continues to cover new ground. Recently, the integration test flight with the new Thales Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod for the South African Gripen was carried out successfully at the Saab test and evaluation facilities in Linköping, Sweden.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/3BD362F3-9B94-4C1E-9DE1-DD21D96D594C/11044/SouthAfricanGripenwithReccePodSaabStefanKalm3757_4dotjpg
Image: South African Gripen with Recce Pod. Photo: Stefan Kalm, Saab.

2010-12-01 |

The integration test took place on a South African series production Gripen. The Recce Pod completed its factory integration tests already in June this year and is now completing the integration tests on the Gripen platform. The reconnaissance pod will be delivered to the South African customer after the integration phase next year.

“We are at full speed ahead regarding our weapons’ and integration program for Gripen .The capabilities of Gripen and the ease of weapons and sensor integration are exceeding all our expectations. It is a truly remarkable platform to work with and fly. We see no boundaries and limitations for this aircraft and we look forward to continue our co-operation with our customers to keep Gripen at the cutting edge of technology”, says Gripen Test Pilot Johan Sjöstrand.

Gripen (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2010/Recce_Pod_Integration_programme_for_South_African_Gripen_at_full_speed.htm)


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Saab initiates Swedish-Brazilian Research and Innovation Centre

Today the development of a new Swedish-Brazilian research and innovation center in São Bernardo do Campo, Brazil, begins. Saab is one of the initiators and the co-operation starts with a two-day workshop on December 1 and 2.

Gripen (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2010/Saab_initiates_Swedish_Brazilian_Research_and_Innovation_Centre.htm)

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Speaking of Brazil, there was actually some Swedish representation at CRUZEX V after all; Chief of Staff of the Swedish Air Force Anders Silwer spent some days at the exercise.

Beast of war
12-02-2010, 01:45 PM
Beast of war, are these beautiful pictures available in higher resolution for use as desktop background? Any copyright problem with them?
Here you are:
HiresGripen (http://i52.*******.com/2z3yqf8dotjpgHiresGripen) (not so Hires!!)
HiresGripen (http://i53.*******.com/ic33ncdotjpgHiresGripen)
HiresGripen (http://i51.*******.com/24ctki8dotjpgHiresGripen)

Swingrole
12-03-2010, 09:15 AM
A little bit off topic but interesting reading anyway. I don't blame the Americans acting as they did. But the Norwegians handling of this – so called – procurement is despicable, for to say the least. Stabbing SAAB and the Gripen project in the back the way they did. And it only shows that the reprentatives of the Eurofighter was right on the spot when claiming it was a rigged game from start to finish.




Sweden 'tricked' in failed Norway Gripen bid




The Lokal (Sweden's news in English)
Published: 3 Dec 2010

Sweden was deceived by both the United States and Norway regarding the latter’s interest in signing a multi-billion kronor deal to buy Sweden's JAS Gripen fighter plane.

Citing US diplomatic cables recently released by WikiLeaks, the Aftonbladet newspaper reports that Norway’s supposed interest in the Gripen was just a show.

According to Aftonbladet, the United States threw a spanner in the works of the Gripen deal by stopping the export of an American-made radar component for use on the Swedish plane.

The prelude to the snub included a 2008 meeting between Sweden’s defence minister Sten Tolgfors and the US ambassador at the time, Michael Wood.

During the meeting, Tolgfors asked for permission to buy the American-made Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar system for the Gripen.

But documents released by WikiLeaks describe how the Americans worked to scuttle the Swedes’ radar request.

“We suggest that we delay the decision about the AESA-permit for the Gripen until after Norway’s decision,” read one US diplomatic cable, according to Aftonbladet.

The newspaper writes that the US embassy in Oslo also placed a “call for help” to Washington for assistance in putting high-level political pressure on Norway following negative reports about the F-35 in the Norwegian press.

After the call, prospects for the F-35 brightened; Norwegian politicians gave signals that made the United States confident its plane would win the Norwegian tender. But the Americans were careful not to claim that the aircraft purchase was a done deal before Norway announced its decision.

“We must continue to act like an honourable and elegant competitor,” read a cable from the US embassy in Oslo.

Read the whole article here: http://www.thelocal.se/30584/20101203/

Moxica
12-03-2010, 09:34 AM
Just get used to it and laugh for every raise of cost that the JSF brings with it

fish_b
12-03-2010, 09:42 AM
What did you expect when you invest almost 400 billion dolars in a plane that is supposed to be the master of all jack of none it just happenes to hjave problems beeing the master of anything and not beeing the jack of everithing...! Stept have to be taken in ordewr to make sure you win and get at least part of your investment back.

Apan76
12-03-2010, 09:48 AM
A little bit off topic but interesting reading anyway. I don't blame the Americans acting as they did. But the Norwegians handling of this – so called – procurement is despicable, for to say the least. Stabbing SAAB and the Gripen project in the back the way they did...

This is not really news, but it confirms the statement that Norway is a "banana republic"...

I think i read somewhere back in the days that Saab got some money for development of Gripen NG from Norway. So did Saab/Gripen really lose any money on this? Wasn't the Gripen NG development started by the time Norway started showing interest in Gripen? I think Gripen is strengthened by this and it proves that JSF isn't so superior to Gripen as some people claim, because if JSF were superior it wouldn't need that political backup, right?

But who thought weapon deals were fair and square?

Swingrole
12-03-2010, 09:58 AM
Just get used to it and laugh for every raise of cost that the JSF brings with it

Yup, and I guess that the Norwegian government – and the taxpayers – are starting to realize that they are about to open Pandora's box F-35 style...

jontew
12-03-2010, 11:10 AM
We pretty much suspected this but atleast we have a receipt on it now. First the NATO-thing and now this, makes you think twice about who the hell we have as a neighbour.

Dompedidomp
12-03-2010, 11:44 AM
A politician from the Norwegian MOD gave signals to the US embassy that the F-35 would win the Norwegian tender one month before the winner was announced. What is the big problem ?

Why would the US embassy in Oslo place a “call for help” to Washington for assistance in putting high-level political pressure on Norway only two months before the announcement, if they knew they would win. This is an indication that the americans was nervous, and the competition was real.

signatory
12-03-2010, 08:56 PM
Why would the US embassy in Oslo place a “call for help” to Washington for assistance in putting high-level political pressure on Norway only two months before the announcement, if they knew they would win. This is an indication that the americans was nervous, and the competition was real.

Well the US embassy wasn't part of the internal process by the NoGov. They were spectators just like the rest of us. What media interprets wikileaks docs as is always questionable. The majority of Norwegian public and industry was otoh for a JAS 39 purchase so the embassy saw the US bid was losing the PR-battle and that in turn could influence a political decision since they didn't know how the new socialist gov would act compared to the rightw that had previously down-selected the JSF.

Those reasons is probably why Sweden/Saab stayed in the game despite Eurofighter dropping out. Eventually the JAS 39 offer was attacked on points made classified or otherwise untraceable such as dubious cost escalations on a fixed price as well as hidden capability simulations that clearly lacked the necessary data from the manufacturers to be properly relevant. Requirements were changed towards the end to favor a more passive-stealthy weapons system. Why those things happened is only something for Norwegians to discuss if anything but the reality is that whole process was to reconfirm the JSF but try to get a better deal for Norway on the industrial side.

Bad intel and naive prospects of closer nordic coop hit official Sweden in the ass.

Good thing that's all over with. And hopefully no more Mikael "Thales" Odenberg and Sten "Raytheon" Tolgfors disturbances on AESA development. Viva Selex.

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http://www.volvoaero.com/SiteCollectionImages/VAC/headerLogo_Aerodotgif

12/2/2010
Armscor and Volvo Aero sign product support agreement for the Volvo RM12 engine in Gripen

by Corporate Communications

Volvo Aero has signed an important agreement with Armscor, the Armaments Acquisition Agency for South Africa. The agreement means that Volvo Aero will take responsibility for product support of the South African Air Force’s Gripen aircraft Volvo RM12 engines.

In practice, the agreement means that Volvo Aero will have responsibility for technical product support, maintenance of modules and accessories as well as materiel supply for the Volvo RM12 engines in South Africa for an initial period of 17 months.

Engine maintenance will be substantially carried out by Volvo Aero in Trollhättan, Sweden.

On a purely financial basis, this is a relatively small contract because the engines are new and experience is showing that Volvo RM12 maintenance requirements are low. But the agreement is still a strategically important success for Volvo Aero because South Africa usually takes responsibility themselves for maintenance of various systems, or let the aircraft manufacturer take full responsibility.

“We are very pleased to have been able to secure this first agreement with Armscor and their end customer, the South African Air Force. Our aim is to develop cooperation to include engine product support of greater scale and for a longer term,” says Bengt Lundgren, Program Manager at Volvo Aero.

The agreement may even become significant in equivalent agreements in other Gripen export markets. It is envisaged that Thailand will sign a similar direct contract with Volvo Aero and likewise the Czech Republic and Hungary when their current lease agreements expire. Product support from a common supplier with focus on coordination of all Volvo RM12 operators benefits both customers and Volvo Aero.

The last engines are to be delivered to South Africa in early 2011 with deliveries in Gripen aircraft concluding around the end of 2011.

December 2, 2010
Volvo (http://www.volvoaero.com/volvoaero/global/en-gb/newsmedia/press_releases/_layouts/CWP.Internet.VolvoCom/NewsItem.aspx?News.ItemId=92907&News.Language=en-gb)

signatory
12-03-2010, 09:25 PM
Here's what former DefMin Mikael Odenberg approved on the Thales AESA demonstrator.

http://i52.*******.com/mjb7h3dotjpg
Odenberg in the middle. Grey suit. Not listening?

The decision.

http://i53.*******.com/91f2xldotjpg

(100 Mkr= abt 15m USD)

....

kme
12-04-2010, 07:46 AM
A year or two ago a Gripen belly-landed in Sweden. The pilot apparently forgot to lower the gears and had turned off the acoustic warning.

But does anyone know what happened to the airframe? I have an argument with a friend, who cliams it must be at total write-off while I argue that most like only the parts in contact with the tarmac needs replacement. After all the plane is designed for 12 g, so a "soft" slide can't possible inflict serious damage to the airframe itself.

Does anyone have actual facts on the faith of this particular airframe?

Henke556
12-04-2010, 04:09 PM
A year or two ago a Gripen belly-landed in Sweden. The pilot apparently forgot to lower the gears and had turned off the acoustic warning.

But does anyone know what happened to the airframe? I have an argument with a friend, who cliams it must be at total write-off while I argue that most like only the parts in contact with the tarmac needs replacement. After all the plane is designed for 12 g, so a "soft" slide can't possible inflict serious damage to the airframe itself.

Does anyone have actual facts on the faith of this particular airframe?

The belly landing was because the pilot thought the landing gear warning signal was a different signal, the plane had just been modified in some way, and the warning signals had changed.

It was not a total write off, AFAIK it was repaired..

katjing
12-05-2010, 08:47 AM
A politician from the Norwegian MOD gave signals to the US embassy that the F-35 would win the Norwegian tender one month before the winner was announced. What is the big problem ?

Why would the US embassy in Oslo place a “call for help” to Washington for assistance in putting high-level political pressure on Norway only two months before the announcement, if they knew they would win. This is an indication that the americans was nervous, and the competition was real.
The big problem is how they told lies about Gripen, but that's no news and wikileaks didn't reveal it. I think this wikileaks thing just reminded people they are upset with Norway for the trash talking.

signatory
12-06-2010, 10:56 AM
Google-translate:

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Thai and Swedish Gripen technicians side by side


http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6026/49375021dotjpg
Photo: Emil Lindberg/Försvarsmakten

Blekinge Wing (F 17)

Thailand has recently purchased an additional six JAS 39 Gripen, which means they will have twelve of the JAS 39 Gripen delivered in early 2011. In addition to the purchase of the aircraft itself includes a lot of other things such as education, training stage, spare parts stores.

For nearly a year has 20 pieces of Thai engineers trained in Sweden. It is the technical and flying personnel is the category that takes the longest to train.

It is a challenge for the Thai engineers will be trained in Sweden.
- Adjustment is large for them, "said John Linden, technicians on the Gripen system. First, they must adapt to our climate, staying in our culture and on top of this, they learn a new and advanced aircraft systems, "he continues.

Training Package for Thailand

In order to qualify for the JAS 39 C / D requires a long training in both theory and practice. The training is divided into two stages. The first half, an educational theory in Halmstad then superseded by a training stage in dressing. This year the charge F 17 for internship training of 10 of the first 20 Thai engineers.

Internship phase is called OJT (On the job training) and follow a plan that treats all stock groups (such as hull, steering systems, hydraulic systems, fuel systems and engine).

In practice, working Swedish and Thai staff side by side as staff in training should never work alone but will be supervised by instructors who supervise the practice, while the Swedish personnel will share their experiences.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/6386/90379804dotjpg
Photo: Emil Lindberg/Försvarsmakten

Soon it's time to go home to warmer climes

So far, everything worked well. Most of the practice is completed and now we will try to give them the last of them to be able to work with aircraft on its own when the first shipment arrives in Thailand early next year.

Down in Thailand, there will be a support group for two years, consisting of Swedish technical staff.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4166/63208828dotjpg
Photo: Emil Lindberg/Försvarsmakten


Swedish article (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Blekinge-flygflottilj-F-17/Nyheter/Thailandska-och-svenska-Gripentekniker-sida-vid-sida/)

Natter
12-06-2010, 12:33 PM
Google-translate:

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Thai and Swedish Gripen technicians side by side


http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6026/49375021dotjpg
Photo: Emil Lindberg/Försvarsmakten

Blekinge Wing (F 17)

Thailand has recently purchased an additional six JAS 39 Gripen,) which means they will have twelve of the JAS 39 Gripen delivered in early 2011) . In addition to the purchase of the aircraft itself includes a lot of other things such as education, training stage, spare parts stores.



Swedish article (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Blekinge-flygflottilj-F-17/Nyheter/Thailandska-och-svenska-Gripentekniker-sida-vid-sida/)

No, they will have 6 A/C flown down to Surat Thani in late february at the earliest, the other six will follow at a much later stage....

The heavy rain has hindered some of the work that needs to be complete before the base can host the aircraft on a an acceptable level but the schedule may hold.

signatory
12-07-2010, 08:45 AM
I don't know if this news is an absolute truth because media tend to interpret short comments by Lula any which way they want.. what we still wait for on F-X2 is the presidential down-select and confirmation by the national defense council.. will be interesting to see if Lula-Dilma-NDC can agree on something before the end of Lula's term. Seems like Lula is hot for the Rafale but the other two sides we don't know yet...

Dilma got the F-X2 dossier from Jobim yesterday.


Brazil to delay decision on new air force jets
2010-12-07 12:49:40 GMT (*******)

* Rousseff will make decision on new jets

* New round of lobbying likely from companies

SAO PAULO, Dec 7 (*******) - Brazil's government has postponed a decision on a key jet fighter contract worth more than $4 billion until President-elect Dilma Rousseff takes office next year.

Brazil is in the final stages of picking a company to manufacture at least 36 jets, which are to be assembled locally.

The deal is hotly disputed -- international defense contractors are hoping to capitalize from Brazil's growing defense spending -- and could eventually rise to include more than 100 aircraft.

The finalists are the Gripen NG made by Sweden's Saab, the F-18 made by U.S.-based Boeing Co, and the Rafale made by Dassault.

The administration of current President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has repeatedly expressed its political preference for the Rafale jet, in part because it sees the French as offering the most generous transfer of technology.

Yet Lula said during an interview with TV Brasil late on Monday that he would leave the decision up to his successor, Rousseff, who will take office on Jan. 1.

Some analysts say Brazil is using the deal as a bargaining chip to help pressure France to agree to agricultural subsidy cuts as part of trade negotiations between the European Union and South America's Mercosur bloc.

The delay could open the door to a new wave of lobbying and presentation of technical proposals by the companies involved. Rousseff plans to reevaluate the technical proposals made by all the parties before making her final decision, a source with knowledge of the decision told 'Royters' on Tuesday.

Brazil has signed a strategic defense agreement with France worth billions of dollars, which includes the local assembly of helicopters and conventional and nuclear-powered submarines.

Latin America's largest country is looking for a generous technology transfer offer and local assembly as part of the deal.

Brazilian governments have been postponing the decision for years, trying to balance the need for new jets against political considerations as well as the desire to obtain proprietary technology from companies as part of the deal.

(Reporting by Brian Winter; Writing by Samantha Pearson; Editing by Raymond Colitt and Paul Simao)

source (http://www.forexpros.com/news/general-news/brazil-to-delay-decision-on-new-air-force-jets-179509)

Skyman
12-07-2010, 11:28 AM
No, they will have 6 A/C flown down to Surat Thani in late february at the earliest, the other six will follow at a much later stage....

The heavy rain has hindered some of the work that needs to be complete before the base can host the aircraft on a an acceptable level but the schedule may hold.

The other six will be delivered in 2013.

Nice article and photo, BTW. :D

phlerp
12-08-2010, 06:45 AM
Ok, I know this is a swedish news paper and journalists know little about what they write more often than not. But from a speculative perspective it's kind of interesting... even though it's nothing more than rumors:


"My impression is that the F-X2 (the code name for the fighter jet tender) is dead and buried," said Nelson During, head of the specialized website DefesaNet.



Marcelo Rech, an analyst for another site, InfoRel, agreed. He said Rousseff was likewise emphasizing the fight against poverty as her priority coming into office.

"For me, that was a clear signal that the F-X2 project has ceased to be a priority," he said.


Source: http://www.thelocal.se/30688/20101208/

Swingrole
12-08-2010, 03:48 PM
If Brazil really IS going to postpone the FX-2 procurement (?) then at least I have a strong feeling that their reputation when it comes to fighters is going to take som HEAVY beating...

energo
12-08-2010, 04:28 PM
Well the US embassy wasn't part of the internal process by the NoGov. They were spectators just like the rest of us. What media interprets wikileaks docs as is always questionable. The majority of Norwegian public and industry was otoh for a JAS 39 purchase so the embassy saw the US bid was losing the PR-battle and that in turn could influence a political decision since they didn't know how the new socialist gov would act compared to the rightw that had previously down-selected the JSF.

Those reasons is probably why Sweden/Saab stayed in the game despite Eurofighter dropping out. Eventually the JAS 39 offer was attacked on points made classified or otherwise untraceable such as dubious cost escalations on a fixed price as well as hidden capability simulations that clearly lacked the necessary data from the manufacturers to be properly relevant. Requirements were changed towards the end to favor a more passive-stealthy weapons system. Why those things happened is only something for Norwegians to discuss if anything but the reality is that whole process was to reconfirm the JSF but try to get a better deal for Norway on the industrial side.

I think you have a couple of reasonable points there. The Swedes put their hopes on Nordic defence and industry prospects, which resonated well within certain corridors of the Norwegian government. The Swedes arguably had the best industrial deal, at least on paper.

But let me just correct you on one issues; there was never a change in the fighter project's requirements. Those were completed as part of the 2007 defence study, approved by Pariliament, before the fighter evaluation in 2008. For instance the four combat scenarios as well the emphasis on autonomous operations were defined as part of this process.

However, that the Swedes and Norwegians disagree on certain cost issues is no real surprise. Each air force have their own idea of what the costs of ownership is going to be long term based on their unique experiences. Consider that the Swedish and Norwegian operational environments are quite different. The Norwegians primarily operate in arctic blue water conditions - with winter storms and long, dark polar nights - over a rugged fjord-leaden coastline. They enjoy great cost benefits from NATO partner cooporation, in particular on deployments. They monitor huge maritime territories, with critical natural resources, and face regular intercepts of Russian aircraft and other air-sea-subsea vessels.

Also a thing to consider is that the Norwegians don't share the Swedish luxury of having a fairly young aircraft fleet. Certain snags don't show up until you have a certain amount of hours on the airframe. The Norwegian F-16 fleet has an average of 4000-5000 hours while I believe the Gripens are somewhere inbetween 1000-2000 hours - correct me if I'm wrong.

Intention is not to start off a debate, just offering a perspective.

B. Bolsøy
Oslo

Breerman
12-08-2010, 04:57 PM
Each air force have their own idea of what the costs of ownership is going to be long term based on their unique experiences.
The Norwegian government based their cost calculations not on Saab's bid/the experience of the Swedish Air Force, but on their experience with American planes... I believe Viggen had something like 1/3 lower costs compared to F-16, and Gripen in turn have substantially lower costs than Viggen.

The offer wasn't hypothetical either, the numbers were binding and backed up the Swedish government.


Consider that the Swedish and Norwegian operational environments are quite different. The Norwegians primarily operate in arctic blue water conditions - with winter storms and long, dark polar nights - over ia rugged fjord-leaden coastline.
Which logically would be in favor of the most dependable fighter out there.


Also a thing to consider is that the Norwegians don't share the Swedish luxury of having a fairly young aircraft fleet. Certain snags don't show up until you have a certain amount of hours on the airframe. The Norwegian F-16 fleet has an average of 4000-5000 hours while I believe the Gripens are somewhere inbetween 1000-2000 hours - correct me if I'm wrong.
Which logically wouldn't be in favor of a new and untested aircraft like F-35.

Also, and Signatory may correct me on this, but didn't the Austrians fly something like 22 000+ flight hours with their J-35 Drakens?

Loke2
12-08-2010, 05:00 PM
But let me just correct you on one issues; there was never a change in the fighter project's requirements. Those were completed as part of the 2007 defence study, approved by Pariliament, before the fighter evaluation in 2008. For instance the four combat scenarios as well the emphasis on autonomous operations were defined as part of this process.

But the Swedes did not know that those four scenarios would define some of the main requirements. Had they known that it was a requirement to operate in the vicinity of a double-digit SAM with no support they most likely would have pulled out like Eurofighter did. So perhaps you are right that the requirements did not "change" however that's not the point; the point is that these key requirements were somehow "hidden" so the bidders were not aware of them. So for the bidder it looked like the requirements had changed.



Consider that the Swedish and Norwegian operational environments are quite different. The Norwegians primarily operate in arctic blue water conditions - with winter storms and long, dark polar nights - over a rugged fjord-leaden coastline. They enjoy great cost benefits from NATO partner cooporation, in particular on deployments. They monitor huge maritime territories, with critical natural resources, and face regular intercepts of Russian aircraft and other air-sea-subsea vessels.

Also a thing to consider is that the Norwegians don't share the Swedish luxury of having a fairly young aircraft fleet. Certain snags don't show up until you have a certain amount of hours on the airframe. The Norwegian F-16 fleet has an average of 4000-5000 hours while I believe the Gripens are somewhere inbetween 1000-2000 hours - correct me if I'm wrong

There were several meetings between the FMV and the Norwegian Mod where Norway tried to explain the differences in cost -- still after those explanations the FMV could not make the numbers add up. So even taking into account what you mention above (and other factors you did not even mention) there was a mismatch in the cost calculations.

signatory
12-09-2010, 03:20 AM
But let me just correct you on one issues; there was never a change in the fighter project's requirements. Those were completed as part of the 2007 defence study, approved by Pariliament, before the fighter evaluation in 2008.



So let me correct you then...

The fighter evaluation began December 2005 by issuing the RBI. Norway evaluted the Request for Binding (RBI) Information from Eurofighter, Gripen and JSF and Norway concluded that they all met the exhaustive requirements as laid down for new fighter capacity approved December 2006 including combat effectiveness and costs. This also included the established operative capability requirements KD 1 from march 2004.

When the Request for Proposals (RFP) were issued January 2008 it was to be evaulated against the requirements laid down in the 2007 paper that you indeed talk about.

So the capability change happened after the RBI, Eurofighter quit as soon as they saw certain points in the RFP better tailored for another type of machine. Sweden felt they could deliver the capability with forms of active stealth through EW and system in system methods. It's very unlikely that Sweden in the capacity of FMV would have submitted a RFP response had they fully known about the new requirements and what individual scenarios and perhaps more importantly what war fighting methods would be used to live up to them and in what way these would be simulated. We're talking requirements and missions that is way beyond the capability of the NoAF today and had these been the basis for the RBI it's doubtful any jet other than JSF would have made it to the RFP.

signatory
12-09-2010, 05:56 AM
SAAF pilots conduct training in Sweden

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SAAF Major Catherine Labuschagne and others went to Sweden for centrifugal testing. News site Corren grabbed her to ask questions, some of which she's probabaly heard over and over again by now.

Article+Video (Swe/Eng mixed) (http://www.corren.se/ostergotland/linkoping/?articleId=5458094&date=&menuids=)

Video only (http://www.corren.se/24corren/#category=5017163&clip=5458084&date=2010-12&startTime=0m0s)

No idea if the vid works outside Sweden.
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Ps. Today is the anniversary of Gripen's first flight.

Pss. Delivery process of RTAF Saab 340 imminent. Hopefully at the new home in 10 days.

BjornD
12-09-2010, 10:48 AM
Wikileaks has confirmed that the F-35 purchase by Norway was a high level diplomatic event by US diplomats, ambassador and obviously CIA, to support the Norwegian MOD's desire to buy the F-35, indeed a circle of events highly supportive of both parties interests (high level corruption), that the US GOV took part in on behalf of the GON (Norway) and that they together would focus on the published strong points in favour of F-35 in the criteria documents and to control any simulation based on the same criteria, for justification of such fighter purchase procurement of the F-35, and to flood the media with supportive experts (psyops):
The direct link to wikileaks:
http://wikileaks.ch/origin/39_0.html
http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2008/10/08OSLO585.html
QUOTE [excerpts]:
"Recent comments by the Ministers of Foreign Affairs and Defense indicate that the process is on-schedule and will be decided on the stated criteria which play to the F-35's strengths.

"As a result of this committed effort, we now believe the tide has turned in Norway. The media have recently run a number of articles from active duty and retired officers extolling the strengths of the F-35. Commentators who have previously said the Gripen is the best plane have been attacked by leading Parliamentarians for being ill-informed. While articles in favor of the Gripen still appear...."
UNQOTE

signatory
12-10-2010, 02:57 AM
First part is just Swedes talking about why there's OTJ training for 10 RTAF guys but then it gets real advanced as broken English meets the Swedish pea/pork-soup (Ärtsoppa) a standing Thursday dish on Swedish restaurants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYdAm-_jac

From Swedish Television Sydnytt. (http://svtplay.se/v/2263768/thailandska_flygmekaniker_utbildade)

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Google Images: Peasoup and pancakes. (http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=on&biw=1277&bih=931&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=%C3%A4rtsoppa+pannkakor&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)

:)

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Note: Thailand’s fighter order a boost for SA aerospace company (http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/south-east-asian-countrys-fighter-order-a-boost-for-south-african-aerospace-company-2010-12-03)

signatory
12-13-2010, 11:16 AM
Swedish stuff:

Got an answer from the Defence Minister Sten Tolgfors today on the issue of Rb75/AGM-65 Maverick for the JAS 39C/D. There has existed various ambitions, unclear answers and rumours in the last year or so.

The translated answer: Based on government requirements on operative effect and financial limitations there exists no plan as of today to procure AGM-65.

With the earlier decison to not life-extend, modify and integrate the Swedish version RB75 on 39C/D this answer confirms that there's no plan today to use Maverick on Swedish 39C/D's.

The investment plan calls for the integration of Small Diameter Bomb (MS20) as the next new ground attack weapon. Decided and planned weapons in the armed forces investment plan (2010-2013) has government support.

Note: This doesn't mean we will never ever see AGM-65 on SwAF 39C/D's but it unfortunately means there's no decision available today. And that's quite crappy imo.

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Brazilian stuff:

DefMin Nelson will meet with President elect Rousseff to see if there will be any decision on F-X2 down-select this year.

Source (http://jcrs.uol.com.br/site/noticia.php?codn=49191)

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Czech stuff:

Discussions on what to do after the lease of Gripens expire.

Source (http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/domov/zpravy/obrana-ma-tri-varianty-ochrany-nebe-dve-pocitaji-se-stihackami/569397)

Use Google-Translate if you're interested.

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Flares go nice with the season...

Hungarian Gripen there on display. (Notice removed pylons)

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signatory
12-14-2010, 11:54 AM
Santa delivers a Gripen

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Photo: HD/NST Mats Roslund

The Ängelhom Aviation Museum (http://www.engelholmsflygmuseum.se/word/) has been very good this year so Santa in the form of Saab test pilot Fredrik Müchler gave them a JAS 39A to put on display. The jet has been with Saab as a test jet.

39.101 first famous for being the first series-produced Gripen is perhaps more recently better known as the jet that has undertaken alot of METEOR BVR-missile test flights.

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METEOR testing in Scotland, 2007.

Swedish Article + Photos (http://hd.se/angelholm/2010/12/14/tomten-kom-till-flygmuseet/)

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Handover of Saab 340 planes to RTAF

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At a ceremony at Saab's factory in Linköping on the 13th Dec. FMV conducted the handover of one 340 equipped with ERIEYE and another one for transport and training.

FMV:Swedish (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=5458)


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Saab increases presence in Thailand through investment in local defence industry

14 December 2010, in News

Saab has signed a letter of intent with the Thai company Aviasatcom Co., Ltd. for becoming a part-owner and strategic partner with up to 40 percent of the shareholdings. Aviasatcom, which was founded in 1992, develops and delivers products to the armed forces of Thailand. The company has approximately 120 employees.

The intention is that Saab will become a part-owner and strategic partner with up to 40 percent of the shareholdings, and in this way strengthen its presence in Thailand. Saab will thus gain a strong presence in Thailand and good capabilities for providing local support to its customers. Other factors behind the commitment are the recent orders from the Royal Thai Air Force for additional Gripens and Saab Erieye AEWs, as well as other business opportunities for Saab's product portfolio that are opening in the country. Thai policy for public sector procurements stipulates precedence to domestic companies, which gives Saab a competitive advantage.

"Our engagement in Aviasatcom facilitates Saab's widened operations in the country and improves the opportunities for actively marketing Saab's entire product portfolio," says Saab Chief Marketing Officer Jonas Hjelm. "We also gain the opportunity to locally and cost-effectively develop technology and products for the Thai military."

The goal is to finalize collaboration during the first quarter of 2011. Kay Rosander is coordinating the initiated process and is assigned to Saab's office in Bangkok.

Saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/Saab-increases-presence-in-Thailand-through-investment-in-local-defence-industry/)

Skyman
12-16-2010, 02:35 AM
Saab increases presence in Thailand through investment in local defence industry


Great! This is what I want to see..

signatory
12-17-2010, 04:56 PM
Delay: India

Stratpost: IAF’s MMRCA tender stuck in offset limbo (http://www.stratpost.com/iafs-mmrca-tender-stuck-in-offset-limbo)


Although no letter arrived by November-end, the vendors did receive telephone calls advising them that the deadline for resubmission of offset proposals was extended to January 21, 2011 and that the letter listing discrepancies in the respective proposals would arrive by December 17, 2010, that is, today.

No such letter has been received till this evening.

AW: Tech Transfer Issues Could Hold Up Indian Fighter Buy (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?topicName=india&id=news/awx/2010/12/16/awx_12_16_2010_p0-277753.xml)


Evidence is growing that the downselect decision for India’s Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) may not be announced until the fourth quarter of 2011, with the holdup centered on terms for technology transfer.


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Delay: Brazil

Defence Minister Jobim now expecting a early 2011 down-select and contract signature by 2012. New President Rousseff will reevalute the bids.

link (http://www.correio24horas.com.br/noticias/detalhes/detalhes-1/artigo/decisao-sobre-cacas-da-fab-precisa-sair-no-inicio-do-ano-que-vem-diz-jobim/) link (http://www.financeone.com.br/noticias-economia/decisao-sobre-cacas-da-fab-precisa-sair-no-inicio-do-ano-que-vem-diz-jobim/) link (http://noticias.bol.uol.com.br/brasil/2010/12/17/jobim-diz-que-prazo-esta-se-esgotando-e-que-dilma-escolhera-cacas-no-inicio-do-ano.jhtm)


(Not too sad about this delay...)

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Swedish support: Parliament votes in favor of Government proposition.

Parliament decided on the 16th to give the go-ahead for what the government had proposed on the defense budget and its investment plan. This includes a continued commitment to Brazil as well as upgrades to the 39C/D fleet.

173 votes for, 29 against. 134 abstained.

Parliament (http://www.riksdagen.se/Webbnav/index.aspx?nid=3120&doktyp=betankande&bet=2010/11:F%C3%B6U1)
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Saab awarded Gripen Support contract in South Africa

Saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2010---12/Saab-awarded-Gripen-Support-contract-in-South-Africa/)
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Saab ensures superior knowledge in the field of composites (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/Saab-ensures-superior-knowledge-in-the-field-of-composites/)

Compraser - a centre for development of composites manufacturing

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The Automatic Tape Layer machine inside the clean room at Saabs composite work-shop.

17 December 2010, in News

Together with a number of local, other Swedish companies and with local government support, Saab has established a centre for the development of innovative composites manufacturing technology in Linköping, Sweden. The centre will be based on Saab premises and utilize the existing infrastructure.

The other companies behind Compraser are the Linköping-based companies Applied Composites AB (ACAB), RUAG Space AB, Exova AB and from Trollhättan Volvo Aero. Through cooperation with the Swedish research company SiComp, the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm (KTH) and Linköping Univeristy as well as the local community in Linköping, the centre is a perfect step for the increased focus on fiber composites and will mainly be a centre for the development of automation, verification and manufacturing technologies. The center will also serve to bring the ideas in the national composites into the same forum.


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Image: The production of the A320 Ailerons.

As a further step to improve Aerostructures composite knowledge and to bring the most efficient thinking into the market, Saab initially invested and has gradually increased the focus within its department for Composites Research and Development.

The department was defined some years ago with the purpose to look into innovative design solutions, prototype methodologies, new tooling concepts and assembly ideas for the Aerostructures composites work-shop.
- It was a major step into the focus on composites and became a vital part of on-going high-rate production of the A320 Ailerons, the ramp-up of the 787 cargo doors work package, but also as integer part in the Gripen NG development and the Clean Sky development, where Saab develops an integrated wing panel in composites, says Magnus Falk, head of Business Development, Marketing and Salses at Aerostructures.

Among others the department team have been involved in the;

* Tooling concepts for the UAV NEURON’s composite panels.
* Conceptual design and manufacturing process enhancements for the highly integrated cargo door for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
* Conceptual design and manufacturing of composite parts for the EU-program ALCAS such as wing spar and the highly integrated sub sale wing box.
* Conceptual design and manufacturing of the redesigned A320 Aileron integrated composite box.

- The use of composites tools for skin panels have been a success. Those tools have been seen as a very fast way from CATIA model to a real composites part and our composites team has shown only ten weeks in real lead time and another outcome have been a patent of the composite tool support structure, says Magnus Falk.

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Saab: More efficiency with Lean Supply Chain development (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/More-efficiency-with-Lean-Supply-Chain-development/)

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RTAF Articles

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Time to leave Sweden and go back home for several of the RTAF ground and air crews. Both Thais and Swedes sound happy with what they have accomplished.

SWE Article1 + photos (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Skaraborgs-flygflottilj-F-7/Nyheter/Thailandska-piloter-och-tekniker-klara-for-hemfard/)

SWE Article2 + photos (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Skolor/Forsvarsmaktens-tekniska-skola-FMTS/Nyheter/Thailandska-tekniker-redo-for-Gripen/)

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I see what you did there.... p-)

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(Not really a RTAF jet...)
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English version of previous news from FMV on RTAF Saab 340s (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=5467)

SniperRu
12-18-2010, 11:10 AM
Meanwhile in Sweden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNRt0PehiYQ

katjing
12-20-2010, 05:13 AM
Meanwhile in Sweden
That's a JA-37, which means that the clip is probably a few years old. Still funny though.

signatory
12-20-2010, 12:05 PM
Welcome-ceremony at Wing 7 Surat Thani for AEW delivery

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:)

(A bigger ceremony will happen together with the Gripens.)

Very positive news to get another user with the Gripen+Erieye combo.

signatory
12-30-2010, 11:49 AM
A quick look at some events during the year 2010.

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Gripen NG Demo and 39D, Photo: Jamie Hunter Jamie Hunter won the 2010 Aviation Week Photo Contest Military Category with this photograph taken in August during a visit to Linkoping. Source (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2010/first_prize_for_gripen_in_aviation_week_photo_competition.htm)


Thailand signs for additional Gripens in follow-on order.
Taking JAS 39C/D exports to 66 jets on 4 airforces (3 sales, 1 lease)

Delivery process of RTAF air defense order begins.

SAAF graduates its own Gripen pilots including the first female.

Czech Republic Gripen Sqd wins the highest award at NATO Tiger Meet.

Sweden participates with 14 Gripens during RAF's Joint Warrior Ex.

CzAF Gripen display pilot wins best flying display at Waddington.

SAAF Gripen fires A-Darter and flies RECON pod.

First prize for Gripen in Aviation Week photo competition.

First Gripen NG Production Drawing released in Brazil.

SwAF flies 18 Gripens over Stockholm to honor the Crown Princess wedding.

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by molle

SAAF uses Gripen to secure the airspace over FIFA World Cup.

Hungary hosts Load Diffuser Ex for HuAF-USAFE multi-role exercises.

Sweden signs for METEOR missiles and full integration on JAS 39.

System edition version 20 ordered and definition of MS21 under way.

Saab presents Sea Gripen concept, a carrier borne NG variant.

Gripen NG Demo:

New large fuel tanks.
Flies all the way to India for field evaluations.
Takes part in Royal International Air Tattoo (RIAT).
AESA, SATCOM, MAW integration and demonstrations.

+ a lot more.

And..

Gripen News Thread hits over 1 million views! :-D

Even better is that we after over 20 years still are fortunate enough to have had no loss of human lives due to a Gripen incident. Good job all ground and air crews out there.

So...Next year begins with news.

At midnight January 1 the Swedish Air force Expeditionary Fighter Unit SE 03 stands up ready for the European Union Battle Group NBG 11. The following month Thailand is set to receive its first Gripens and in March the Swedish military will hand in its Gripen planning suggestions to the Government.

News just never stops.. thanks for watching and contributing to the soon 5 year old GNT :)

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Gripen NG Demo and 39D, Photo: Jamie Hunter

Chrisis
12-30-2010, 02:06 PM
And thank you Signatory for all the good and exciting news about Gripen!

Kunal Biswas
12-30-2010, 03:43 PM
Sweden into 5th generation fighter market?

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The division of Fluid and Mechatronic Systems, FluMeS at the department of Management and Engineering in Linkoping University, have been rewarded a contract from SAAB and FMV to realise and build a scaled demonstrator of a generic fighter concept.

The concept constitutes a goal and common study object for the defence long term research and development strategy within aeronautics. The concept is a common development between SAAB and FOI with focus on stealth capability, internal load bays and “super cruise” capability.

The goal of the demonstrator is to:

Show a cost effective way, with short lead time, to design and manufacture a flying demonstrator of a concept
Evaluate the usage of scaled demonstrator as a tool for aircraft development, including as “flying wind tunnel”
The demonstrator is in 13% scale and is jet powered. Its characteristics are the following:

Length 2,4 m
Wing span 1,5 m
Take off weight 15 kg
Thrust 160 N

Maiden flight took place in November 2009 and was a success. During the winter the demonstrator is equipped with flight test equipment in order to prepare the coming flight campaign, planed under the spring/summer 2010. This work is the result of a project realized within the framework of NFFP4, Swedish National Aeronautics Research Programme.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_BvFadE7w


http://www.iei.liu.se/flumes/aero/gff?l=en





Gripen Future? ;-)

signatory
01-02-2011, 04:23 PM
Almost 2 years late but someone called Luptonga uploaded this key note speech from Aero India 2009 which has crap audio and video but is fairly informative on the Swedish view concerning aircraft requirements with things like continuous upgrades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtqlrYC2Kig

SwAF's Anders Silwer highlights a few key features. One being on broadband low observability and also supercruising as not only fuel saving but important to avoid tracking from what he sees is the more advanced developments on IR-sensors in the coming future.

He also mentions Red Flag 08 and noted about the SwAF squadron commander "the only thing that prevented his smile from going all around of his head was his two ears"...

A few fuzzy snapshots:

Multirole, long term flexibility, affordability for more hours in the air. Quick and easy to upgrade. High levels of NCW with multiple datalinks. BB LO, SC. He seems especially excited about the new avionics architecture for rapid capability insertions.

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Address all spectras. This work has been ongoing since day 1 and new technology has been inserted over time. The Swedish Aerospace Industries foresees in their National Research Agenda the use of more nanotechnology on the jet.

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Avoid afterburner. IR-images.

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Beyond NG?

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BTW. On beyond NG.. Swedish industry has a view that building up more Gripen countries as allies and technological partners through technology transfer and education programs/scholarships (Thailand being an example) it will help to form a kind of Gripen coalition that shares similar views/requirements for a future generation fighter. This would then also be useful in negotiations with non-Gripen countries with their own needs for a new jet built under a collaborative partnership. The Swedish Aerospace Industries target for 2020 is to have Gripen in 8 countries.

signatory
01-02-2011, 04:52 PM
Sunday post 2..

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On display at the Saab stand at Aero India 2011. Rafael's Lite Shield.

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Lite Shield

Title:Close Protection EscortJamer Electronic Attack Pod

The Lite Shield is a relatively small, electronic attack pod that implements “close protection” to ensure immediate, flexible and constantly available electronic attack capability and response. It is equipped with the most advanced EW components, which shield the strike formation from being detected and engaged prior to completing its mission.

The Lite Shield is mounted on an aircraft’s targeting pod station, therefore enabling the jamming aircraft to carry out the primary mission and the electronic attack simultaneously, conserving coordination and resources. The Lite Shield enhances air force attack without impinging on space for the weapons payload.

* Continuously available EW protection
* Full operational flexibility with no need for pre-planning
* One-pod-protection against search radars for an entire formation
* Cost-effect solution eliminating the need for dedicated EW aircraft
* Quickly integrated to any platform that is already certified for the Litening targeting pod.

Rafael (http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/336-1684-en/Marketing.aspx)

Lite Shield Brochure (http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/7/1107.pdf)

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signatory
01-05-2011, 11:37 PM
Don't remember posting this. (that (repost) from Kunal Biswas reminded me)

FOI taking a look at airflow on the front bay.. one version has a spoiler on it and that seems to be helpful.
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http://www.foi.se/upload/foi-logo-startsidan.gif

FOI
Swedish Defence Research Agency

CFD investigation of a Military Aircraft Model with Embedded Weapons Bay. (http://www2.foi.se/rapp/foir2775.pdf)
(FOI-R--2786--SE), (Technical Report)

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Don't think the alternative video of "GFF" was up here either? Shows a bit more than the one first released.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_BvFadE7w

Both studies under the Swedish National Aeronautics Research Programme.

search words: Saab stealth 5th generation concept fs2020 flygsystem 2020

signatory
01-06-2011, 04:17 AM
Might as well add this then. A study done 2008 at Linköping Uni on FS2020 intakes.

A CFD Investigation of a Generic Bump and its Application to a Diverterless Supersonic Inlet (http://liu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:221/FULLTEXT01)

http://i55.*******.com/5b8virdotjpg

http://i54.*******.com/kf2xdedotjpg

http://i52.*******.com/5nm3o5dotjpg

You may notice all this stuff is a few years old and I mentioned back in this thread a note from a 2009 government report (http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c6/12/64/55/60192619.pdf)that national research had a program called "FS2025". Perhaps an extension to FS2020 or a different path but either way it's written as research relating to JAS Gripen so it's worth typing about it here.

Wanna compare those pics with the new radome ACAB is showing off?

http://i54.*******.com/2pqqaepdotjpghttp://i52.*******.com/351xwdedotjpg

Zhur
01-07-2011, 08:00 AM
In 70's and 80's SAAB produced fighter jets - Draken, Viggen.

Are they constructing and producing fighters today?
Any links to interesting projects?..

Zhur
01-07-2011, 08:05 AM
I've found some info about SAAB "Gripen". Is it real?

pocoloco
01-07-2011, 08:06 AM
Opsec doesn't allow me to tell you much... just google it ;)

vrb
01-07-2011, 08:10 AM
They also build the 93 and 95 super jet. They are ultra low altitude 4/5 people medium range transport vehicles.

Oh and the Griphen, contender for India's century long requirement for Mig21 replacements and darling of the South African Air Force.

MC Spoilt B'stard
01-07-2011, 08:11 AM
They now are producing the Saab Grippen and Saab Grippen Next Generation (NG)

http://www.saabgroup.com/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/

dobrodan
01-07-2011, 08:15 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?84527-Gripen-News-Thread

Here´s a little thread for you...

Bushranger
01-07-2011, 08:23 AM
Not much happening here..................................................................

The Dane
01-07-2011, 08:24 AM
Drakens still fly today :)

The premier aircraft in our fleet is the Saab SK-35 Draken. We have two J-35 single-seat aircraft and four SK-35 two-seaters. These ex-Royal Danish Air Force mach 2 fighters are ideal platforms for weapons captive-carry and deployment testing, with seven weapons hardpoints and two camera pod hardpoints. Additionally, one SK-35 is configured for superstall and spin training.

http://www.ntps.edu/aircraft

wagon
01-07-2011, 08:25 AM
Occasionally I see a SAAB flying past me....

pocoloco
01-07-2011, 08:27 AM
configured for superstall and spin training.

Lacking the super hover thingy though I see. p-)

Bushranger
01-07-2011, 08:28 AM
Occasionally I see a SAAB flying past me....

900 turbo that is.

Only because you drive like a women

wagon
01-07-2011, 08:37 AM
900 turbo that is.

Only because you drive like a women

Says you. My car will pass everything except a petrol station.

Zhur
01-07-2011, 08:42 AM
They now are producing the Saab Grippen and Saab Grippen Next Generation (NG)

http://www.saabgroup.com/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/

Thank You for the link. Nice new bird! )


Opsec doesn't allow me to tell you much... just google it ;)

I'm too lasy for googling.

Breerman
01-07-2011, 03:08 PM
I'm a bit surprised intake design etc. isn't classified. Hopefully they kept some stuff for themselves.

@Signatory

Do you know if there are any differences in capabilities between the Gripen HMS (SwAF) and the Eurofighter HMS?

Quietscheentchen
01-07-2011, 05:14 PM
http://i52.*******.com/ms2a69dotjpg

----I guess this shows the simulated airflow in the bay? It looks somewhat...female...to me...if you know what i mean...

signatory
01-07-2011, 07:40 PM
Thanks to the mod for adding a dozen junk posts to this thread :)


I'm a bit surprised intake design etc. isn't classified. Hopefully they kept some stuff for themselves.

@Signatory

Do you know if there are any differences in capabilities between the Gripen HMS (SwAF) and the Eurofighter HMS?

Nah shouldn't be anything significantly different between them although I can't find out if the RAF will use NV video-trackers from the start. Nice PR department they got though I wish we saw articles like "death helmet" in our honerable tabloids...

Previous reply:

Gripen's Cobra, EF's HMSS (Guardian) and once proposed Rafale's Gerfaut all came out of the Denel Archer helmet design basically thanks to the clever helmet tracking system. Each helmet adjusted for specific needs.

Intakes... you can also notice they didnt get to play with anything else like the more sensitive info behind those frontal intakes. The air canals and everything else leading up to the engine face.

Ponen
01-07-2011, 07:50 PM
I guess this shows the simulated airflow in the bay? It looks somewhat...female...to me...if you know what i mean...

Oh wow.. Who could have guessed god thought of aerodynamics when he designed the female human?

Deivid
01-07-2011, 08:04 PM
I really wanted that Brazil acquired the naval Gripen NG, the Gripen NG is one of the best aircraft I have ever seen, but lacks capacity Stealth.

kme
01-07-2011, 08:17 PM
... but lacks capacity Stealth. Compared to what? Gripen has 1/10 of the RCS of a F-16. The RCS of Gripen is bigger than a F-35, but Gripen is a fighter, not an attack aircraft.

SweNationalGuard
01-08-2011, 06:32 AM
And the F-35 is not yet operational, if it ever will be du to the spiraling costs of the programme.

Deivid
01-09-2011, 09:55 PM
Compared to what? Gripen has 1/10 of the RCS of a F-16. The RCS of Gripen is bigger than a F-35, but Gripen is a fighter, not an attack aircraft.

That I was not aware, thanks.

Hugs!

signatory
01-09-2011, 10:45 PM
Of course there's no "NG" machines to bring there but I guess we can see a couple of Ceasar and David's + Demon if she's ready to go.

(but she's probably not)

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Saab to bring Gripen trio to Aero India
January 9, 2011
By Saurabh Joshi

Swedish defense major Saab is planning to get three Gripen NG aircraft to Aero India, the air show in Bangalore due to be held next month. Inderjit Sial, head of Saab in India told StratPost that while two of the aircraft would conduct flight displays, the third would be on static display. The aircraft is in the race to win the Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

The company is also flying in two other aircraft, the Saab 2000, which it is pitching in response to the Indian Navy’s Request for Information (RFI) for Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance (MRMR) aircraft, as well as the Saab 340, a 34-seater aircraft in which the company hopes to interest the Indian Coast Guard in association with the Indian company, Punj Lloyd. The Coast Guard is expected to lease a total of 12 aircraft for maritime patrol.

Saab will also display its RBS-15 Anti-Ship Missile and its Giraffe MB radar which it hopes to offer the Indian Navy as part of a network of coastal defense batteries, as well as its RBS-70 MANPADS missile system and HARD radar, which it is pitching to the Indian armed forces.

Besides this, the company will show off its Head Up Display (HUD) built in association with Samtel for light helicopters and aircraft, which will allow operations in weather conditions that require CAT III facilities.

Stratpost (http://www.stratpost.com/saab-to-bring-gripen-trio-to-aero-india)

Gripen IN site (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-for-India/The-Fighter-Gripen-IN/)

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IAF pilots like Gripen? EF at the top? Rumours.

http://idrw.org/?p=2266

katjing
01-10-2011, 06:50 PM
Today we saw reports of how Swedish members of parliament have some disagreements about how to proceed with the Gripen system.

In the article the procurement cost for the E/F version is mentioned to land somewhere between 30 and 60 billion SEK, roughly 4-9 billion dollars. Sweden's biggest party, the social democrats, seem to want to reduce the Gripen numbers from 100 to 60-80.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=4276112 (Swedish)

The claim seems to be that the E/F version could cost as much as 85 million dollars per aircraft. How is this possible? Aren't the E/F's supposed to be upgraded aircraft? Will we buy completely new ones?

signatory
01-11-2011, 02:36 AM
Today we saw reports of how Swedish members of parliament have some disagreements about how to proceed with the Gripen system.

The claim seems to be that the E/F version could cost as much as 85 million dollars per aircraft. How is this possible? Aren't the E/F's supposed to be upgraded aircraft? Will we buy completely new ones?

It's not possible.. beware of parliamentarians pushing own agendas. Ugh can't they at least let the military draw up some proposals before they start banging on drums.. We have always known the air force should stay upgraded .. the question is what added costs should be considered to receive added capability beyond normal upgrades to the system.

It's not good that they also seem to draw a direct link between the number of machines converted to E/F with the total inventory numbers of Gripen (regardless of model). It's clear that we will use both C/D and E/F for a period.. conversion takes time. Ordering only 60-70 conversions to E/F is kind of ok if we retain for instance the last 31 C/D's we ordered and place them with training/tests (+ export support). We're probably at 2025 by then. Years before that I really would want to see a FS2020/25 demonstrator built and funded like Gripen Demo.. using many components from E/F project with a new airframe to show (first of all existing Gripen users but also new interests) the next step.

Sancho78
01-11-2011, 08:27 AM
Interview with Saab India Chief Mr. Inderjit Sial


...Vishal Kansagra: What missile systems are being on offer to India?
Inderjit Sial: Keeping customer requirements in mind, RBS-70 MANPAD and RBS-15 Mk3 air-to-surface missile are being offered currently.


Vishal Kansagra: Any plans to offer Taurus 350 KEPD?
Inderjit Sial: We don’t see a requirement for this class of weapon right now, but we might offer it in future.


Vishal Kansagra: What about financing solutions for purchase?
Inderjit Sial: We customize various solutions depending on needs of the customer. For instance we have got support from Swedish government to transfer some Gripens from Swedish Air Force in case Gripen is selected in MMRCA competition. This will reduce the time to build up numbers in IAF and will fast track training...


...Vishal Kansagra: What about compulsions in Swedish policy for offsets?
Inderjit Sial: Our offset policies are meant to infuse technologies into local industry rather than just fulfill offset obligations. This approach not only gives a boost to local industry but also reduces the overall cost of our products. Swedish government has cleared us to offer latest technology we have without waiting for any approvals...


...Vishal Kansagra: What about Swedish foreign policy about not selling weapons to countries involved in conflict?
Inderjit Sial: Sweden is a neutral country like India and Swedish foreign policy is very clear about regions involved in conflict. We have a very smooth working relationship with various entities in India. As of now India is not involved in any conflict hence I would not speculate.
http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4940


So no Taurus on offer for India so far, but more interesting Gripen C/D as a stop gap?
No approval needed for Swedish tech transfer, but what about the foreign parts?
The last point is very interesting too, because India was interested in Swedish fighters in the past as well, but these kind of restrictions of GoS were reported to be the reason not to procure them. If there are still such rules (maybe signatory can help here), the Gripen is obviously a no go for India, with it's neighborhood.

signatory
01-11-2011, 11:28 AM
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4790/gripenlefthomedotjpg


Gripentopgun.com (http://gripentopgun.com/aboutus.aspx)

Tangential
01-11-2011, 11:55 AM
I don't know if it is a mistake or not but the SAAB representative talks about the air-to-surface version of RBS-15Mk3.

So will we be seeing RBS-15 carried by Su-30MKI/LCA in the future.

Leaper
01-12-2011, 11:57 AM
http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Blekinge-flygflottilj-F-17/Nyheter/JAS-39-Gripen-uppfangad-av-utrullningshinder-/

phasio
01-12-2011, 01:04 PM
for swedish audience

http://www.folkochforsvar.se/index.php/videoarkiv

webcast discussion about Gripen and its future

signatory
01-15-2011, 11:44 AM
You can check out Vishnu Som's flight on Gripen Demo here at the NDTV web.

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Bigger, Higher, Faster: The world's best flying machines

Published On: January 15, 2011 | Duration: 20 min, 12 sec

VIDEO (http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-special-ndtv-24x7/bigger-higher-faster-the-world-s-best-flying-machines/187964)

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Good to see Stig Holmström... other than that not too much new footage.

signatory
01-15-2011, 05:35 PM
PRESS BACKGROUNDER

Vixen radar family – squarely at the front of the AESA market

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7937/radarravenes05dotjpg

Introduction
SELEX Galileo produces a range of modern, multi-mode air intercept and fire control Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar systems affordably designed for small to large fast jet platforms.

These high performance systems include the Vixen 500E, which is employed by the US Customs and Border Protection Agency for use in their Cessna Citation 550 aircraft and the Vixen 1000E, which is in full scale development for the Swedish Gripen Next Generation aircraft.

The Vixen 1000E is now termed the Raven ES-05 radar and is under development, with Saab, as part of the Gripen NG programme. The Raven ES-05 radar incorporates an innovative repositioner mechanism (known as a swashplate) to allow a significant increase in the field of regard. The increased field of regard provides significant operational advantages for the Gripen aircraft.

Product Capability
In addition to considerable UK government investment in AESA, SELEX Galileo has
engaged in a complementary long term programme of spending to develop advanced radar technology. This technology is now mature, product ready, free of export constraints and is the basis of the latest generation of AESA products launched by the Company. SELEX Galileo has developed modular, scalable AESA technology which underpins a broad family of products to address the airborne radar market. The use of common components such as Transmit Receive Modules (TRMs) supports a competitive cost base. This is further supported by a long standing strategic supply agreement with a semiconductor manufacturer ensuring a secure source of ITAR-free [Note: International Traffic in Arms Regulations / Signatory] , low-cost Gallium ****nide.

European and other potential export customers now also wish to acquire an AESA capability and indeed, in certain export markets such as India, AESA fire control radar is a prerequisite. The investment in fire control AESA radar systems is essential given the strategic intent of SELEX Galileo to remain successful and be dominant in Europe as Europe’s leading airborne radar supplier. Success in Fire Control Radar also serves as a basis for the affordability of our AESA surveillance products.

The Vixen radar family is a group of generic AESA fire control radar systems primarily intended for military fast jet applications, operating in both an air-to-air and air-to-surface role. Designed to be flexible and scalable, and implemented from a set of common hardware and software modules, the Vixen family can cover the majority of fast jet and air intercept applications. Vixen offers greater operational performance, additional functionality, improved ECCM resistance and significantly longer times between critical failures (and hence better availability and reduced life cycle costs) than its mechanical scan equivalent for a comparable price.

After an open competition with other European radar suppliers, SELEX Galileo’s Vixen 1000E radar equipped with a swashplate repositioner was selected in 2009 as the AESA radar for the Gripen Next Generation (NG) aircraft. AESA radar is seen as an essential element of any modern fighter aircraft and the swashplate design is considered to offer a vital competitive edge in the crowded fighter aircraft market. The Vixen 1000E is now termed the Raven ES-05 radar and is under development, with Saab, as part of the Gripen NG programme. Current export targets for the Gripen NG aircraft include countries such as India, Brazil and Malaysia.

Future Developments
Further investment in fire control AESA radar systems is essential given the strategic intent of SELEX Galileo to remain successful and dominant in Europe in the airborne radar market.

Future investment will include development of new lightweight transmit/receive modules, use of Gallium Nitride, new modes and closer integration with other aircraft systems such as the defensive aids suite.

Conclusion
SELEX Galileo remains committed to being the leading European AESA radar supplier and will continue to invest in AESA radar technology to meet emerging export markets.

Selex (http://www.selexgalileo.com/EN/Common/files/SELEX_Galileo/Press_Releases/Backgrounders/07Vixen_radar_Backgrounder.pdf)

signatory
01-16-2011, 08:35 PM
In the MMRCA debate the Super Hornet is often mentioned as the heaviest candidate while Gripen IN is often refered to as the lightest. That is clearly true in terms of empty weight. Gripen has a empty weight 50% that of SH and is lighter than any of the other candidates.

The actual difference in terms of load and range capability might not be as dramatic otoh. A quick look at the lightest vs the heaviest:

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8299/gripenngload1okdotjpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6897/superhornetload1okdotjpg

Built from these public company documents.

Gripen to NL1 (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/NLGRIPENPRESSBRIEFAug08.pdf)Gripen to NL2 (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/NLGRIPENOVERVIEWAug08.pdf)Gripen to BR, Gripen NG the Fighter (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-for-Brazil/The-Fighter-Gripen-NG/)Super Hornet to Japan (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/69333187/superhornetSH_09_Flipbook_Japan)Super Hornet home (http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/fa18ef/index.htm)
Load example A2A (http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Gripen/Gripen%20for%20India/Saab_Gripen_SL7935cdotjpg)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

Note: This is only to illustrate the new capability of Gripen NG and not to be a jet vs jet discussion.

Ed: Btw ppl, I had to update the load example above.. the payload is 7200 kg not 7000kg that I first wrote. A lapsus on my part. Of course loads over 6000kg means a reduction of fuel to meet MTOW but none of the actual load examples would need that. They are all well within limitations. And yes it can take both Maverick and 1000lbs on the outboard station just like Gripen 39C can today.


http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5757/39cdcaesar009naftxairdo.thdotjpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/i/39cdcaesar009naftxairdodotjpg/)http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/930/39cdcaesar009naftxatogc.thdotjpg (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/39cdcaesar009naftxatogcdotjpg/)http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8683/gripenngbotten.thdotjpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/gripenngbottendotjpg/)http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7078/gripenngcutthrough.thdotjpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/gripenngcutthroughdotjpg/)http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2286/gripennginfoload2000.thdotjpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/gripennginfoload2000dotjpg/)http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/708/gripennginfo8008.thdotjpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/gripennginfo8008dotjpg/)http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6954/saabgripensl7935c.thdotjpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/saabgripensl7935cdotjpg/)

Some stuff is proven. Some is partially proven. Some is expected. Things can change.

Search words: Gripen NG load payload light heavy super hornet MMRCA GBU

phlerp
01-17-2011, 05:10 AM
Though it is just speculations from Aviation Week about what will happen with the F-X2 competition in hindsight of the floodings in brazil, it is not that far fetched at all.
Could Floods Wash Away F-X2? (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3A27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3A538fc2ff-b256-460d-b123-f86a3a2ee49d&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest)

If Dilma Roussef don't cancel F-X2, is it even politically possible for her to chose Rafale which is considered as the most expensive alternative?

signatory
01-17-2011, 07:05 AM
Though it is just speculations from Aviation Week about what will happen with the F-X2 competition in hindsight of the floodings in brazil, it is not that far fetched at all.
Could Floods Wash Away F-X2? (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3A27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3A538fc2ff-b256-460d-b123-f86a3a2ee49d&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest)

If Dilma Roussef don't cancel F-X2, is it even politically possible for her to chose Rafale which is considered as the most expensive alternative?

Who knows... this is a deal not to be signed for another year anyway. Also there has most definitely been a stronger US effort since her election. They got a price in between the other two.

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Brazil's Rousseff "starting over" in jet tender

BRASILIA | Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:26am EST

BRASILIA Jan 17 (Re-ut-e-r-s) - New Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff has decided to delay awarding a multi-billion dollar Air Force jet contract and reevaluate all of the finalists' bids while seeking new guarantees on sensitive issues such as technology transfers, sources with knowledge of the decision told R-e-u-t-e-r-s.

The decision comes as a surprise because Rousseff's predecessor, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, had repeatedly expressed his preference while in office for a bid by France's Dassault (AVMD.PA) to build its Rafale jets, leading to speculation the final decision was a mere formality.

Yet Lula left office on Jan. 1 without resolving the issue, leaving the choice to Rousseff, his former chief of staff.

Rousseff has decided to restart the evaluation process and has no clear preference at this point, a senior government source said.

The other finalists for the contract, which will be worth at least $4 billion, were the Gripen NG made by Sweden's Saab (SAABb.ST) and the F-18 made by U.S.-based Boeing Co (BA.N).

Last week, Rousseff personally asked visiting U.S. senators for additional technology transfer guarantees from the U.S. Congress to bolster the Boeing bid, sources with knowledge of the conversation said. (Reporting by Brian Winter, Editing by Todd Benson and Kieran Murray)

Link (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=Brazil%27s+Rousseff+%22starting+over%22+in+jet+tender&cp=0&pf=p&sclient=psy&site=&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=Brazil%27s+Rousseff+%22starting+over%22+in+jet+tender&pbx=1&fp=fd0f73886609171d)

Kunal Biswas
01-17-2011, 12:46 PM
BTW. On beyond NG.. Swedish industry has a view that building up more Gripen countries as allies and technological partners through technology transfer and education programs/scholarships (Thailand being an example) it will help to form a kind of Gripen coalition that shares similar views/requirements for a future generation fighter. This would then also be useful in negotiations with non-Gripen countries with their own needs for a new jet built under a collaborative partnership. The Swedish Aerospace Industries target for 2020 is to have Gripen in 8 countries.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/TPTmvdVUQmI/AAAAAAAALvw/DRqDU_UmL5E/s1600/amcadotjpg

xav
01-18-2011, 12:04 PM
Have the dual center tanks configuration ever get tested in real flight on the Gripen NG Demo ?
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2035/gripenng500hi9dotjpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/gripenng500hi9dotjpg/)

If yes, are there any pics of it?

signatory
01-18-2011, 12:21 PM
Have the dual center tanks configuration ever get tested in real flight on the Gripen NG Demo ?
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2035/gripenng500hi9dotjpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/gripenng500hi9dotjpg/)

If yes, are there any pics of it?

No it's not possible on the Gripen Demo/NG afaik. Old PR-drawing before they actually built something.

Btw ppl, I had to update the load example above.. the payload is 7200 kg not 7000kg that I first wrote. A lapsus on my part. Of course loads over 6000kg means a reduction of fuel to meet MTOW but none of the actual load examples would need that. They are all well within limitations. And yes it can take both Maverick and 1000lbs on the outboard station just like Gripen 39C can today.

Slenke
01-18-2011, 02:37 PM
No it's not possible on the Gripen Demo/NG afaik. Old PR-drawing before they actually built something.

Btw ppl, I had to update the load example above.. the payload is 7200 kg not 7000kg that I first wrote. A lapsus on my part. Of course loads over 6000kg means a reduction of fuel to meet MTOW but none of the actual load examples would need that. They are all well within limitations. And yes it can take both Maverick and 1000lbs on the outboard station just like Gripen 39C can today.
Weren't they supposed to add a station to the NG?

signatory
01-18-2011, 02:49 PM
Weren't they supposed to add a station to the NG?

2 more. And yeah there's three there (see added pics in that post) but there's physical space limitations... it seems that the only chance of a future fit would be 300 gal tanks on a more forgiving NG airframe but I would say using the larger 450 tanks under each wing makes more sense.

signatory
01-19-2011, 06:47 PM
MMRCA jet deliveres moving towards 2015

With a contract signature moving into 2012 after a late 2011 selection followed by exclusive negotiations the delivery of first MMRCA jet won't happen until 2015 as the RFP stipulates a 36 month setup window from contract date.

This news also reveals that India is still in the offset/ToT evaluation phase and has yet to open up the financial bids.

Defensenews:




Deadline Emerges For India's $10B Warplane Deal
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI
Published: 19 Jan 2011 13:06

NEW DELHI - India could award the $10 billion Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contract by the end of the year, according to the country's defense minister.

M.M. Pallam Raju, the minister of state for defense, said on the sidelines of a Jan. 19 conference here that the warplane contest could be decided by December. The conference was hosted by an industrial lobby group, the Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India.

"I am hopeful of awarding it by the end of this year," Raju said.

The MMRCA program, for the purchase of 126 planes, is running behind schedule, The Indian Defence Ministry has made no formal announcement on the short-listing of aircraft after flight trials last year.

Raju said the ministry still has to carry out a comparative analysis of different vendors in terms of offset and transfer of technology offers before the financial bids are opened.

Defensenews (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=5490485&c=ASI&s=AIR)



Note: The Gripen Raven AESA will be ready for production by 2013. Selex expects to deliver the first pre-production model to Saab in Q3-2011.

Henke556
01-20-2011, 12:38 PM
There has been a lot of talk about that the new Gripen E/F needs a new radome/wider hull to fit the new radar since it's bigger. Is ES-05 raven really bigger then the PS-05? I don't think it looks like the radome is bigger/wider on the Demo aircraft compared to the current versions of the Gripen. And it has flown with the ES-05 prototype hasn't it?

signatory
01-20-2011, 12:48 PM
There has been a lot of talk about that the new Gripen E/F needs a new radome/wider hull to fit the new radar since it's bigger. Is ES-05 raven really bigger then the PS-05? I don't think it looks like the radome is bigger/wider on the Demo aircraft compared to the current versions of the Gripen. And it has flown with the ES-05 prototype hasn't it?

It's heavier + needs more cooling and electricity which the NG-models are designed to support. Size? I don't know. Yeah it has flown on the Demo, but that airplane is a bit of a hack...

Sancho78
01-20-2011, 03:08 PM
Of course loads over 6000kg means a reduction of fuel to meet MTOW but none of the actual load examples would need that. They are all well within limitations.

2 x Taurus KEPD 350 = 2800Kg
2 x 1700l fuel = 2800Kg fuel
2 x METEOR = 370Kg
2 x IRIS - T = 174Kg
=> 6144Kg + weight of the fuel tanks itself and the pylons (not sure about their figures, can you add them?)

Obviously the heaviest load of the Gripen of course, but the range in such a deepstrike mission should be reduced, compared to the F18SH, or the Rafale, not sure about the F16IN.


P.S. Is there any official reaction from Saab, or from Sweden in generell about the new delays in the FX2 competition and the hype about the F18SH now?
I mean there is a lot of talk about the blow for Dassault, but if the reports are true and the new president wants closer ties the US, it's an even bigger blow for Saab, because they now get 2 serious opponents. Moreover the biggest advantage the Gripen had in Brazil, was the clear cost advantage over the Rafale offer, but the F18SH fits in between and according to the wikileakes offers more industrial benefits as well (production of parts for all F18SH including USNs).

signatory
01-20-2011, 03:11 PM
2 x Taurus KEPD 350 = 2800Kg
2 x 1700l fuel = 2800Kg fuel
2 x METEOR = 370Kg
2 x IRIS - T = 174Kg


This load-out is not possible so your calculation is meaningless.

Sancho78
01-20-2011, 03:28 PM
This load-out is not possible so your calculation is meaningless.

Ah, just saw your post regarding the fuel tanks on the centerline stations, of course in that case the payload would be less. Can you still give a figure about the weight of the fuel tanks and the pylons on the Gripen?

Slenke
01-20-2011, 03:38 PM
This load-out is not possible so your calculation is meaningless.
What about 2 taurus on the center positions? To big?

Sancho78
01-20-2011, 04:02 PM
What about 2 taurus on the center positions? To big?

Seems like that, at least that's what this loadout says:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?84527-Gripen-News-Thread&p=3872957&viewfull=1#post3872957

signatory
01-20-2011, 06:14 PM
Ah, just saw your post regarding the fuel tanks on the centerline stations, of course in that case the payload would be less. Can you still give a figure about the weight of the fuel tanks and the pylons on the Gripen?

Probably about the same as for other jets.

KEPD 350 might not be the best weapon to compare with SH anyway since we don't really know how many it can take with external fuel. With every jet there's restrictions on loadout combinations and SH is no exception. NG's predecessor 39C has proven 2xKEPD350 plus centreline fuel but I have yet to see any version of Hornet (I.E EF-18) fly more than one plus ext-fuel?

Double drop tanks on the 39NG ventral's is certainly not impossible. It really depends on two things; 1 the final design of a NG production jet and 2 the design of the fuel tanks.

Upandaway
01-21-2011, 01:24 PM
Hlo all, long time reader, first time caller.

A great thread this, for all us Gripen phanatics =-)

Anyhow... Has this been posted before? Very interesting presentation by Saab for the Netherlands.
Lots and lots of details in this one, such as a fairly detailed comparison between the Gripen and JSF using open source material.

http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/DutchAirForceAssociation_Gripen_2009.pdf

Well worth a look!

Also, this video on the India campaign, about the "Top-Gun" competition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UzvEcKv-qM

signatory
01-22-2011, 05:01 AM
http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/DutchAirForceAssociation_Gripen_2009.pdf

Well worth a look!



Yep! Thanks for adding it.

IRIS-T killing capability : Air to air missiles and SAMs.

Sweet.

An expensive hard-kill countermeasure.. nice to have.

signatory
01-25-2011, 08:11 AM
Saab receives order from FMV regarding development of existing Gripen system

25/01/2011

Defence and security company Saab has received an order from the Swedish Defence Material Administration (FMV) regarding development of the existing material system 39 (edition 19). The order amount is 127 MSEK.

The order consists of development work and modification material to subsystems in Gripen C/D. The work will be carried out in 2011 and 2012.


Saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/Saab-receives-order-from-FMV-regarding-development-of-existing-Gripen-system/)

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On the sidelines: nEUROn fuselage roll-out at Saab Linköping More here (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?137804-European-UCAVs-Take-Shape&p=5432788&viewfull=1#post5432788).

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7303/imagehandlerydotjpg

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/5236/dutchairforceassociatiodotjpg

Sancho78
01-25-2011, 08:36 AM
Probably about the same as for other jets.

KEPD 350 might not be the best weapon to compare with SH anyway since we don't really know how many it can take with external fuel. With every jet there's restrictions on loadout combinations and SH is no exception. NG's predecessor 39C has proven 2xKEPD350 plus centreline fuel but I have yet to see any version of Hornet (I.E EF-18) fly more than one plus ext-fuel?

By the fact that the SH has 5 wet stations and carries 4 x fuel tanks in tanker missions, there should be no doubt that it can offer a similar load like the Rafale with 2 x cruise missiles and up to 3 x fuel tanks, even if it would be heavier missiles like Taurus. Don't forget that even the F18 Hornets, or F16 has shown this earlier:

http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2004/aug/260804/LFK023_KEPD%20on%20EF18dotjpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/991599adotjpg

http://www.williamsfoundation.org.au/media/news/img/jassmdotjpg


The F18SH would carry Taurus in the inner and the fuel tanks on the mid wingstation. EF on the other hand is more limited and will offer only the same loadout like the older Gripen, 1 x fuel tank and 2 x missiles, which limits the range of course.

However, the Gripen E/F can carry a good load of weapons too, especially if all these multipylons will be ready and available and for such a light fighter.

Yoron
01-25-2011, 08:53 PM
What a marvelous thread this have become. I'm impressed, almost no BS that I could see, just information and thoughts. Try to make such at 'Defence talk' and it will be 'shoot down' in two red seconds :) Pleased to read up on Gripen again, been busy with other stuff for a while.

I just wish the military could let go of their stupid 'secrecy stamp' when it came to how Gripen did in the various exercises. It would be nice to have some good authoritative links there. Maybe it's our politicians that put the breaks on though? Seems like some stinkers want Sweden to dismantle our aviation industry and buy ? F-16? I don't know really? But, God, do I ever get tired reading them..

Anyone that have some good links on recent joint exercises?

Yoron
01-25-2011, 10:20 PM
Some general Gripen info, not NG specific. It’s from me, Robban, and various others.

A hot engine change can be made in 45 minutes by a team of three. 10 maintenance hours per flight hour, includes all depot level maintenance. Twice as reliable as its competitors. Twice as easy to repair. Enough ground equipment to support four Gripens can be carried by a single C-130 Hercules. The Gripen can be refuled and rearmed in less than 10 minutes. An airborn time of 60 seconds is possible when on high alert with the APU running, all systems fully avaliable 10 seconds after take off. The F-16 needs 3-4 minutes, and its INS and radar will not be fully avaliable. Gripen mean time between failures(MTBF) is proven to be 7.6 hours. During Red Flag Alaska the seven Gripens that participated logged 346 hours during 225 missions, with 99% availability, USAF best MTBF is 4.1 hours. The Gripen costs less than 2000$ per flight hour. Airframe life is 8000 hours. On a CAP 385km from base, a Gripen can stay on station for two hours carrying 2X AMRAAM, 2X AIM-9 and 2X droptanks. When carrying 3X 1000lbs GBU-16 on a LO-LO-LO strike profile, the Gripen has a mission radius of 648km. With 2X GBU-16's and extra fuel tanks radius increases to 833km. Ferry range is 3500km according to Col Jan Jonsson of the Swedish Air Warfare Center. The Gripen can accelerate from M 0,5 to M 1,1 in 30 seconds. The Gripen can sustain M 1,1 using dry thrust, while carrying a droptank and AAM's. The Gripen can operate from 800m long and 9m wide road*****s. Take off and landing distances can be down to 350 meters. We have made simulated hangar landnings with Gripen, without needing to get hooked, successfully. Now, that probably isn’t needed for most forces, and it still needs to proven realistically on a factual ship. But I’m confident that it can do it, no problems.

Radar (JAS-39): 20% longer than RDY (M2000-5), and 40% longer than the AN/APG-68 for F-16C/D Block40/42. The detection range for the APG-68(v)9 (Polish F-16) is 90~105 km for RCS 5m2 target. The PS-05 detection range against similar sized target is >120km.

JAS-39A: the effective range for Gripen to detect MIG-29 is 60 km longer than the effective range for MIG-29 to detect Gripen. F-16C/D: the effective range for Falcon to detect MIG-29 is 5 km longer than the effective range for MIG-29 to detect Falcon.

Take into consideration the 0.1m2 (average) RCS of the Gripen(F-16C 1.2m2), its superior manoeuvrability and agility, its TIDLS, and its much superior MMI, SA, EWS39 and much more modern infrastructure, the Polish F-16's would never know what hit them. And this RCS is for an Gripen A version. The C version is even smaller, and the NG smaller yet. According to some USAF sources, the F22 radar signature is that of a small bird, the F-35 that of a smaller chicken, and the Gripen NG with air-air missiles as that of a medium-large bird of pray, such as an Eagle, in terms of IR/Heat, the Gripen and the Rafalé performs very well, and even having smaller signatures than that of the F-22 and F-35.

During Spring Flag 2007 when the Hungarians participated in their first international exercise with their Gripens they flew for the red team, meaning their job was to die. They rarely had AWACS or radar support of any kind and they weren't allowed to use AMRAAM's. Yet they made 10 kills in a day. Including a Typhoon. The Hungarian pilots commented that other aircraft couldn't see them on radar, not even visually, and they had no jammers of their own with them. They got a Fox 2 kill on an F-16 who turned in between the two Gripens but never saw the other guy and it was a perfect shot. The Gripen was designed to take on and beat the Su-27 and future derivatives of its design. It's not a machine that needs to be complemented by a larger more capable fighter (F-15-F-16). It's not a more modern F-16 like so many people seems to think.

During Red Flag the Gripens didn't even need to use their EWS39. They remained undetected anyway. And no disrespect to the Norwegian pilots because I know they're just as well trained as us, but during a combat exercise with the Royal Norwegain Air Force, 3 Swedish Gripens went up against 5 RNAF F-16's. The Result was 5-0, 5-0, 5-1 after having flown 3 rounds. During Loyal Arrow in Sweden, 3 F-15C's from the USAF were intercepted by a Gripen acting as an aggressor. The result was 2 F-15's having been shot down and one managed to escape due to better thrust/weight. One Gripen pilot knocked down five F-16 block 50+ during close air combat in Red Flag Alaska. And the Gripens never lost any aerial encounter, or failed their mission objectives. It was the only fighter that perfomed all planed starts, while others where sitting on the ground waiting for the weather to clear up

F-16 has a higher TWR, but one need to consider drag and wing loading too. The Gripen has much lower drag. And far lower wing loading. It can reach supersonic speeds on dry thrust while carrying a full armament of four AMRAAM's two Sidewinders and an external fuel tank. Even though the Gripen lacks the TWR of the F-16 it can nearly match it in climb rate thanks to low drag. The Gripen has positive lift on all control surfaces at all times. The F-16 needs to kill lift in order to turn by forcing the tail down. The Gripen just adds lift in front of the CG with the canards and the aircraft turns by itself. The canards then stabilize the turn rate, creating minimal drag. The IRIS-T is now being integrated for the Gripen. And with its modern infrastructure it can make much better use of it than the F-16. The Gripens ITR is much better than the F-16's and will therefore get its weapons on the F-16 first. The Mirage 2000 for example wins 9 times out of 10 against the F-16 in WVR, and nearly always kills the F-16 during the first turn. This is thanks to its higher ITR. And the Gripen has a higher ITR than the Mirage 2000.

Gripens flight computer is outstanding, and can make some worldclass calculations. Gripens Fedec are highly impressive, it even has a backup mechanical calculation system. something only a handful of companies can manage. The air craft also incorporate a very low radar profile making it hard to find. And it has a superior data link. And in real tests against other aircrafts the radar has been found very hard to jam by other systems, meaning that it will work in practice, not only in theory. And those country's using it have found it working in all weathers.

The radar is capable of detecting, locating, identifying and automatically tracking multiple targets in the upper and lower spheres, on the ground and sea or in the air, in all weather conditions. It can guide four air to air missiles (AMRAAM, MBDA Meteor) simultaneously at four different targets.

"The Gripen has seven external hardpoints for carrying payloads: one at each wingtip, two under each wing and one on the fuselage centreline. The air-to-air missiles include MBDA (formerly Matra BAe Dynamics) MICA, Raytheon AIM-120B AMRAAM and Lockheed Martin / Raytheon Sidewinder AIM-9L (Swedish Air Force Designation RB74).

Sidewinder, mounted on the wingtips, is an all-aspect attack, short-range missile for enhanced dogfight capability. Air-to-surface missiles include the radar-guided Saab RBS15F anti-ship missile and Raytheon Maverick missile. Later versions of the aircraft for Sweden will be armed with the short-range Diehl BGT Defence IRIS-T air-to-air missile and the MBDA Meteor beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missile. Deliveries of IRIS-T began in December 2005. Meteor is due to enter service in 2010. The Saab Bofors / MBDA Taurus KEPD 350 long-range stand-off missile, with a range of 350km, has been successfully flight tested on the Gripen. In May 2008, South Africa placed an order for the IRIS-T air-to-air missile to equip its Gripen fleet until the indigenous Denel A Darter missile enters service.

The internally mounted 27mm Mauser high-energy gun can operate in an automatic radar-guided aiming mode. (The 27mm Mauser BK 27 revolver cannon was designed specifically for the Panavia Tornado strike fighter, although it is also used in Germany's version of the Alpha Jet, in the SAAB Gripen, and has been chosen for the Eurofighter Typhoon and the JSF. A four-barrel naval CIWS mount was developed but not used; a simpler remote-control single-barrel mounting is achieving more success.

The latest round is the 30x150B used in the GIAT 30M791, which has been selected for the new Dassault Rafale. Capable of 2,500 rpm, it holds the record as the joint fastest-firing revolver cannon. The rim, belt and head dimensions are different from those of the original 30x113B DEFA case.) The stand-off dispenser is the DWF39 from EADS (formerly DaimlerChrysler Aerospace) and Bofors. The Bofors ARAK 70 rocket pod is cleared for carriage on the Gripen. "


The original NG radar specs. Those may have changed slightly, but if so, to the better I expect. :)

“Ericsson’s future airborne radar is Not Only a Radar, NORA (for the NG), but also a complete electronic warfare system including jamming and data communication. The new radar will use an Active Electronically Scanned Array, AESA, built up with approximately 1000 individual transmit/receive modules. The antenna, mounted on a single-axis platform, will give well over 200? coverage in azimuth. NORA will offer superior performance by virtue of a number of core capabilities at Ericsson – beam agility, beam widening, multi-channel processing, target-specific waveforms and low radar cross-section.....

It's planned to scan +-60 deg electronically and 60 deg mechanically in azimut, permitting scanning over a 240 deg arc and electronically +-60 deg up and downwards. ...

Fully programmable signal and data processors enable the radar to handle these air defence, attack and reconnaissance missions. This also gives the radar a very high growth potential to meet future requirements. The radars flexible waveforms make it possible to avoid ambiguities and allow performance characteristics to be optimized for all operating modes. The radar also matches the data link requirements for advanced medium range missiles...Ericsson has started development work for upgrading the PS05/A multimode radar. Some of the up-grades have been possible to incorporate, since new, faster and more powerful processors and components have become available on the market. An essential part of these upgrades is a new data processor who will replace the D80 processor in the Systems Computer in Swedish Air Force Gripens. It is a Modular Airborne Computer System (MACS) with higher capacity. A significant upgrade of the signal processor is also included which will dramatically enhance functions in both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions....

Ericsson AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) is a new airborne radar project currently in development at Ericsson Microwave Systems. The AESA technology will improve the radars overall performance drastically, especially its target detection and tracking capability. Beam direction can be changed instantaneously, detection range will be considerably increased, and jamming suppression further improved. The AESA radar will feature multibeam capability with all beams individually and simultaneously controlled. It can also operate simultaneously as a fire control and obstacle warning radar, and be used both in intercept and ground attack missions. The multibeam concept also allows for radar operation, data linking, radar warning and jamming simultaneously. As a consequence of the very large number of transmitter and receiver modules, the radar will have a high system availability through graceful degradation...."

Gripen will, due to size only, give approximate 25% of the radar reflection of a F35 JSF. Our ASEA radar have the ability to 'see' stealthed aircrafts due to the 'electromagnetic holes' they will create in the air flying under stealth. We don't need to 'burn through' to do that, it will be 'passive mode', defining their position. The Lockheed Martins JSF.still weights around 2000kg to much, and they will have significant trouble reducing that weight. And when the aircraft is taxing on the ground it is near a 'meltdown' due to its heat conditions.

Our new Gripen will see a F35 JSF coming at least as fast as it will be able to see a Gripen, and that is in good time before any need to shoot. We choose away any increased 'stealth', due to that it generally cost a aircraft its flight performance, creates a small weapon load, combined with a higher fuel consumption. And if it comes to a dogfight? Which plane would you prefer..

Also, according to two reports, one from RAND and the other from Australia the stealth is somewhat exaggerated.. JSF won't, according to those, be able to keep its stealth with a heavy outer weapon load, which was a Norwegian demand. Doing so the F35 JSF will lose its 'signature adaption' as well as its 'claimed' better maneuverability than a Gripen.

Then we come to the Digital Link. Ever heard about the Internet? And why it was built the way they did it. In case of a nuclear war my friends. They made the Internet ‘peer to peer’ so that with only a few nodes left they still would be able to communicate. We started planning for this kind of airborn link in the fifties. Draken was our first aircraft using it, decades before anyone else. We have a long, long experience of developing and using this system. Don’t mix it with any other Digital link system. And don’t believe that because the newest generation of aircrafts are trying to incorporate it they have our experience. We are still the world leaders on peer to peer digital links, and that’s nothing but the truth.

When we, more or less, ‘joined NATO’ we had to downgrade our system as they used an inferior system without peer to peer, namely LINK 16. And that one I still find hard to forgive our military geniuses, that they so much craved to play with the big boys that they choose to weaken our defence capability (TARAS). It Sux, bigtime. But we still have our link, adapting it to NATO. So we will use both. Ours because it will work, without AWACS, we can bind it to any other vehicles aircrafts etc still existing surviving in the warzone, lending their radar images while coming ‘silent’ without radar ourselves. Can you see what that that makes possible?

Also we should be able to connect several individual radars to get a really ‘wide picture’ if needed, although this is my own guess, as well as we might be able too use those radars to ‘magnify’ the reception. But those two is what I think, so, if we can you won’t see any papers on that. But it’s quite possible; after all, we’ve had forty years of ongoing development. The second demands a lot of computer-power in ‘real time’ situations though? So.. A maybe perhaps :), I would definitely have tried though as that would create, using the combined radars, a ‘super radar’ accessible to all pilots, and ground bases/vehicles too.

The first Drakens with datalink capability were J35B's with the Stril 60 system, delivered in 1964. A centralised system is not the same, so please don’t argue about this. At least read up on why Internet is thought to survive a nuclear war and still be able to connect before you do.

Americans had a similar data-link in the MA-1 fire control system. F-101B's fitted with a datalink system that were operational by 1962, called NORAD SAGE. But the F-101B had only a passive datalink. The pilot followed SAGE steering commands transmitted by the datalink to his displays which made it no more than a centralized digital flight-commander. You need to see the difference between those concepts to understand what I’m talking about, and that one you will know best in a real fight. But you won’t, as you won’t know what hit you. With our system there is very little warning. The first warning will be when you notice the missile homing in on you, and by then it will be far too late.

Yoron
01-25-2011, 10:31 PM
TIDLS (datalink)

”One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track a target, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto a target's track through triangulation from several radars; or allows one fighter to jam a target while another tracks it; or allows multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to "burn through" jamming transmissions. TIDLS also gives the Gripen transparent access to the SAAB-Ericsson 340B Erieye "mini-AWACs" aircraft, as well as the overall ground command and control system. This system provides Sweden with an impressive defensive capability at a cost that, though still high, is less than that of comparable systems elsewhere.

TIDLS can connect up to four aircraft in a full-time two-way link. It has a range of 500 km and is highly resistant to jamming; almost the only way to jam the system is to position a jammer aircraft directly between the two communicating Gripens. Its basic modes include the ability to display the position, bearing, and speed of all four aircraft in a formation, including basic status information such as fuel and weapons state. The TIDLS is fundamentally different from broadcast-style links like Link 16. It serves fewer users but links them more closely together, exchanging much more data, and operating much closer to real time.

TIDLS information, along with radar, EW, and mapping data, appears on the central MFD. The display reflects complete sensor fusion: a target that is being tracked by multiple sources is one target on the screen. Detailed symbols distinguish between friendlies, hostiles, and unidentified targets and show who has targeted whom.

Today, Sweden is the only country that is flying with a link of this kind.

The Flygvapnet has already proven some of the tactical advantages of the link, including the ability to spread the formation over a much wider area. Visual contact between the fighters is no longer necessary, because the datalink shows the position of each aircraft. Leader and wingman roles are different: the pilot in the best position makes the attack, and the fact that he has targeted the enemy is immediately communicated to the three other aircraft.

A basic use of the datalink is "silent attack." An adversary may be aware that he is being tracked by a fighter radar that is outside missile range. He may not be aware that another, closer fighter is receiving that tracking data and is preparing for a missile launch without using its own radar. After launch, the shooter can break and escape, while the other fighter continues to pass tracking data to the missile. In tests, Gripen pilots have learned that this makes it possible to delay using the AMRAAM's active seeker until it is too late for the target to respond.

But the use of the link goes beyond this, towards what the Swedish Air Force calls "samverkan," or close-cooperation. One example is the use of the Ericsson PS-05/A radar with TIDLS. An Ericsson paper compares its application, with identical sensors and precise knowledge of the location of both platforms, to human twins: "Communication is possible without explaining everything."

"Radar-samverkan," the Ericsson paper suggests, equips the formation with a super-radar of extraordinary capabilities. The PS-05/A can operate in passive mode, as a sensitive receiver with high directional accuracy (due to its large antenna). Two PS-05/As can exchange information by datalink and locate the target by triangulation. The target's signals will often identify it as well.

The datalink results in better tracking. Usually, three plots (echoes) are needed to track a target in track-while-scan mode. The datalink allows the radars to share plots, not just tracks, so even if none of the aircraft in a formation gets enough plots on its own to track the target, they may do so collectively.

Each radar plot includes Doppler velocity, which provides the individual aircraft with range-rate data. However, this data on its own does not yield the velocity of the target. Using the TIDLS, two fighters can take simultaneous range-rate readings and thereby determine the target's track instantly, reducing the need for radar transmission.

In ECM applications, one fighter can search, while the wingman simultaneously focuses jamming on the same target, using the radar. This makes it very difficult for the target to intercept or jam the radar that is tracking him. Another anti-jamming technique is for all four radars to illuminate the same target simultaneously at different frequencies.'”

Our Swedish Data-link updates every second (or faster:), as compared to Link16 (every twelfth second) This makes it possible for us to fly 'radar silent' and even shoot its missiles from it without any own radar. And the data-link is able to steer you in, in every detail (close control) through its data commands. Which means that Gripen will be very operational even with its radio totally jammed. The NATO variant Link16 can, if I'm correct, open up to four(?) 'timeslots/channels' and if you place them correctly in time, give you a update every third second. (But we can also do that kind of stuff and as our systems each update every second by themselves (or faster:) you might wonder how much info we would be able to transmit that 'NATO' way opening new 'timeslots'. Not that I know of course, just guessing here:)

Our system have the possibility to use AWACS, and satellites, and 'peer2peer'. It seems to me that Link16 first handedly is a 'centralized' system, now also trying to in cooperate some of the Swedish 'ideas'. As for what is best in a battle situation? I prefer the one with the most options myself, and that's not Link16. And it's not only Gripen using our system, it's used in all types of military vehicles, that's why it is so redundant. And that's why we still will have a 3-D sphere of information, even when all AWACS is down. We use all available radar, and their data links too. But remember, ours system is 'peer to peer', just like the Internet, built for durability.

“Link 16 (also known as TADIL J in the US) has been designed to optimize the use of the MIDS/JTIDS architecture. MIDS is a major U.S.-led international programme in which Link 16 compatible data communications terminals are being developed. Link 16 is defined as the designation for Joint Tactical Information Data System (JTIDS) waveform and protocol compatible radios that transmit and receive data messages in the TADIL-J message catalog. Gripen and Saab 340 with Erieye.

Link 16 has been developed to meet the information exchange requirements of all tactical units, supporting the exchange of surveillance data, EW data, mission tasking, weapons assignments and control data. Link 16 is the NATO-standard tactical datalink that is being adopted by more and more users, on more and more platforms, to support coalition operations. In addition to the Swedish data link, Link 16 is now an option in Gripens onboard datalink capabilities. This further enhances Gripen’s interoperability and gives users an even wider choice of networked systems to meet their national and international needs.”

Well, in a way, maybe, but for a prise. We lost some sweet capabilities to that adaption, but hey, look at the bright side, we gained some weight :)

“In BVR combat, where information and situational awareness are key to success, a datalink system gives the user unrivaled battlespace awareness. The advantages of datalink systems are well recognized elsewhere and include the JTIDS used by US armed forces and Britain's RAF, and NATO's Link 16. However, these other systems are fitted only to a few aircraft and are generally command-driven systems used to guide other aircraft. They do not allow a free flow of information between platforms and are limited in the type of data they can handle. Furthermore, compared to the CDL39 their basic data exchange rates are painfully slow. Types like the Super Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon will be the first operational aircraft outside Sweden to have datalink capability that comes anywhere matching that of the Gripen.

The CDL39 is fully integrated with Sweden's new tactical Radio System(TARAS) - a secure radio network for JAS39 Gripen and JA37D Viggen fighters, S100B Argus AEW&C platforms, S102B Korpen SIGINT aircraft and ground-based Stridslednings Central, Command and Control Center (StriC) units. The FMV is currently working to make CDL39 capable of communicating with JTIDS for international Gripen operations. Up to four aircraft can be actively transmitting on the datalink at any one time and an infinite number can be receiving(passive).

As its most basic function the CDL39 can transmitt radar/sensor pictures and aircraft/weaponry status data anywhere on the TARAS network. To send data on the link all the pilot has to do is select the appropriate radio channel/which will be preset by the mission planning system) and transmit. extensive testing has shown the system to be unjammable.

The Gripen's datalink offers enormous flexibility. For example, in the air to surface role one aircraft "package" can attack a target, obtain a radar picture of the the target area and realy it to the cockpits of the next wave of attackers. Those aircraft would receive an accurate image of the target area, allowing them to know which targets have already been attacked. Furthermore this information can be relayed back to the StriC for decisions based on the actual situation.

In the air to air role it is possible for one Gripen to transmit its radar picture of an airborn target to the radar screen of another aircraft. The second aircraft can the leave its radar switched off, approach the target and engage it without ever betraying its precense. Weapons launch even can be guided from the first aircrafts radar. Using AEW&C radar, a much larger airpicture can be datalinked to a formation of Gripens, to increase their combat reach.

The Gripen/datalink combination offers formidable capabilities. The airforce has run air defence exercises deplying just six Gripens to defend half the country. Using the CDL39, three pairs of aircraft flying CAP are able to monitor Sweden's entire east coast, from the northern edge of the island of Gotland in the Baltic to Ronneby Air Base and beyond, to the souther tip of the country. Each Gripen pilot can be confident that everybody knows where everyone else is at all times, what they are seeing and what they are doing.

(Edinburgh, April 21, 2010) -- SELEX Galileo's prototype of its Raven ES-05 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, the Raven 1000P, is playing a key role in the Saab Gripen Next Generation flight proving and demonstration programme. The programme has been very successful, demonstrating radar modes in flight as well as showing the effectiveness of the SELEX Galileo and Saab team in integrating the radar into the weapon system and proving real capability in very short timescales.

Both air-to-air and air-to-ground modes have been integrated with great success and the expected performance has been achieved. Particular focus was placed on the air-to-ground capability and Raven 1000P produced excellent medium and high resolution SAR imagery at long ranges. Trials will continue and capability insertion will take place at the appropriate points in the development schedule.

And when it comes to Meteor we already have tested it in flight. “Saab together with FMV Test & Evaluation Department accomplished the campaign very successfully. Saab evaluates and analyzes the data gathered from the test firing together with the supplier,” said Michael Östergren, Project Manager at FMV. With this firing the first of two phases in the Swedish integration is now completed. The first phase was designed to support the development of the missile while the next phase is designed to fully integrate the missile on Gripen. The final integration with Gripen for the Swedish Air Force has recently begun and is expected to be finalized during 2013.”

This one is from Robban.

"The Gripens max allowable AoA is 26 deg. The Gripen has flown controllably up to at least 110 deg AoA during tests. The Draken and Viggen could both do the so called cobra maneuver. Compared to these two the aerodynamics on the Gripen is more advanced, and its handling and maneuverability quite superior. AFAIK, the Gripen pilot cannot pull through the "stops" and achieve higher AoA's, but he/she can pull through the 9G stop and get 12G should he need it. Gripens G build up is 6G/sec, and in some cases even 12G/sec. I read this in a RSwAF news magazine called "Flygvapennytt" 10 years ago. I need to dig it up! :) I wonder how the JF-17 compare here?

I have seen the Gripen make such a rapid pull up that it could be mistaken for a cobra. The aircraft however continued flying straight up after the pull up, with little to no visible speed loss.

When I sat in 39.823 a couple of years back the technician told me to pull the stick to the stop. I did, and the stop was quite firm. He told me, there you have 9G. Then he told me to put some more back pressure on it. I did and all of a sudden the stick moved backwards a half an inch more. There you have 12G he said.

He pointed out another funny thing. Next to my right shoulder on the side panel there was a switch, locked by a very thin copper wire. The switch said "war" and "peace". It was locked in the peace setting. By simply breaking the wire and switch to war, he said the systems, the engine, everything in the airplane would be boosted. More thrust, longer radar detection range etc. The version D has an 8G limit, and a lower allowable AoA. Its lower level of instability makes it less snappy in pitch. Its ITR and its STR is lower than that of the C. It is slightly heavier, and the larger canopy might affect drag in a negative way. I guess roll rate is not affected as much."

And yes, we might have an 4-4.5 generation airframe, but the electronic capabilitys, and its ‘peer to peer’ is cutting edge, nobody else there yet, as far as I know. Actually, I've read somewhere that the USAF acknowledged it as a 'fifth generation' fighter, due to its super-cruise capability and semi-stealth features, low radar signature and extremely low IR/heat signal. In a way you could say we got lucky with it, but using good planning luck often seem to come.

When it comes to the aircraft crashing in Stockholm it was because of PIO (pilot induced oscillations), although created because the joystick wasn't responding as it should. They tried to blame it on the pilot first but after tests they had to call in a software specialist from the states to trim the software speaking with the plane. That as only the Americans used the system then if I remember right, and we needed their expertize in this. In February 1989 a JAS 39 Gripen prototype crashed when landing in Linköping, Sweden. Pilot-induced oscillation as a result of an over-sensitive, yet slow-response steering system was determined to be the cause. Subsequently, the steering system was redesigned.

Pilot-induced oscillation was blamed for the 1992 crash of the prototype F-22 Raptor, landing at Edwards Air Force Base in California. This crash was linked to actuator rate limiting, causing the pilot, Tom Morgenfeld, to over-compensate for pitch fluctuations.

The wiki Accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_JAS_39_Gripe n doesn't mention that it seems? Don't know why? It's like all electronics that needs to communicate with humans, we need to find the right parameters, but Gripen has had very few crashes. In fact I think one of the lowest in the world, or the lowest?
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This is the crash statistic I could find. there should be a better one, somewhere?

AIRCRAFT TYPE FIRST 90000 HOURS FIRST 213000 HOURS

AV-8A . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25. . . . . . . . . 50 (Includes RAF)
A-4 . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .37. . . . . . . . . 64
A-7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 37. . . . . . . . . 73
F-8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 44. . . . . . . . . 79
A-6. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .16. . . . . . . . . 33
F-4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17. . . . . . . . . 44
F-100 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .39. . . . . . . . . 78
F-102 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .27. . . . . . . . . 38
F-104 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .43. . . . . . . . . 88
F-105 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .31. . . . . . . . . 47
F-106 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .15. . . . . . . . . 26
A-10 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .08. . . . . . . . . 17
F-15 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .04. . . . . . . . . 15
F-16 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10. . . . . . . . . 30

So for the Gripen. . . . . . . . . . . . 3. . . . . . . . . est ?

Two crashed during the development and evaluation phase.
A further three aircraft have crashed in service with the SwAF: 1999, 2005 and 2007.

In january 2008 the aircraft type surpassed 100 000 flight hours.
2009 surpassed 130 000 flighthours.

Yoron
01-25-2011, 11:27 PM
What we lost when we 'joined' forces, adapting to NATO operations was Taras. And our radio security. And that still blows my mind away, that we agreed to it. Treason it would be if someone else had done it to us other than our own military and politicians.

"Interoperability and management of the Swedish TARAS-system compared with JTIDS/MIDS. The Swedish tactical radiosystem (TARAS) has a similar architecture from a technical point of view as the NATO system Joint Tactical Information Distribution System/Multifunctional Information Distribution System (JTIDS/MIDS). The prime service offered by JTIDS/MIDS is the tactical datalink Link 16. One purpose with this thesis is to describe similarities and dissimilarities between the two radio systems from a technical point of view. According to these similarities and dissimilarities this thesis studies whether there is any ability to adapt the TARAS-system to JTIDS/MIDS or not. An adaptation which has the ultimate goal of interoperability between Swedish air and seaforces and NATO. Another purpose is to use the flagrant similarity between the systems regarding complexity, and consequently the demand to ensure the efficient and co-ordinated use of data links in any operational theatre cell as a basis for discussion on how a Swedish data link planning and management cell, supporting TARAS, should be organised. By using a selected nation’s, The United Kingdom’s, data link management cell as a basis for discussion it is examined if any conclusions can be drawn as to how a Swedish data link planning and management cell should be organised and working in the future. The issues regarding organisational level within the Swedish Armed Forces, major tasks and competency of the crew is examined. The conclusions in the thesis is that there is no interoperability between the two systems TARAS and JTIDS/MIDS.

Consequently, Sweden must leave the TARAS-system and adapt the JTIDS/MIDS-system if any interoperability at the highest level, between on the human level (brain-to-brain), is to be achieved. Regarding the data link planning and management cell, the only general conclusion that is possible to draw in the comparison with the U.K. cell is that the Swedish analogue should be organised in a joint way and within the framework of the organisation of the Air Component Commander’s organisation. When it comes to tasks and competency of the crew, the dissimilar philosophies for using the systems and the use of NCOs, a category that doesn’t exists in Sweden, makes further comparisons impossible."

Which naturally is qualified BS. Off course you could compare what they did, and what you would find was that our system and philosophy was the one that would survive on a battlefield, even with all AWACS down. So, to me our philosophy was, and still is, the better one, specifically adapted to our needs and datalink. For example, the JTIDS used 127 different frequency hopping patterns, our TARAS up to 256, and there were other differences too, that I won't go into, if you're not specifically ask me about it. But please don't. I saw that they (military library) had taken this pdf away and I guess they had a reason. But Taras was a very sweet system. Still, if we wanted to play in the 'big league' and yeah, that was something of a wet dream for some of our military and politicians we had to change over to the American system.

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"Various sources including Air Forces Monthly (March 2004 issue) say the RSAF turned down American Link-16 in favor of Smart Data Link (SDL) made by IAI of Israel in 1999. Singaporean F-16C/D Block 52s have this Israeli SDL but newly ordered F-15SGs will have Link-16.

According to an Aviation Week & Space Technology article "NEW THREATS, NEW TACTICS" on 31st October this year, it is an enormous disadvantage not being able to get into Link 16 network when you are operating with coalition air forces, particularly the US forces.

"All the annoying things that will bite you on day one of combat will bite you on day one of Red Flag," Jordan explains. "If you can't get into the Have Quick [secure communications network] or into Link 16 [datalink network], and if you don't fix the [problems], you're going to get comm-jammed and it'll be painful. If you're not up on the datalink, you don't get the surveillance tracks and don't know where those MiGs are. Then, you're left listening to the radio instead of looking at a picture--and getting comm-jammed. It's a cascading [situation] then.

[snip]

At one point, a simulated MiG "aggressor," flying at low altitude, slipped through a blockade of F-15 Eagles and immediately went after an EA-6B in the blue force's "backfield." An alert Singaporean F-16 pilot either spotted the simulated MiG or was directed to intercept it by an AWACS controller, shooting down the MiG and saving the high-value jammer aircraft."
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"The process of linking the program to JTRS was originally funded by all MIDS nations. This was intended to continue with international participation, and that was the case until security issues in the area of encryption arose in the 2B stage of the program. Previously, the terminal contained a separate and removable hardware encryption package. By being separable, it enabled anyone to work on the terminal without compromising the secure and secret data enclosed. Now, however, the MIDS JTRS uses software encryption that is integrated with the overall functions of the terminal, and is therefore vulnerable to interference.

JTRS replaces traditional hardware encryption, which is physically separable from the terminal, with a highly integrated software package. Previously each nation was able to insert and replace its national encryption without compromising the security of other nations. National Security Agency (NSA) policy had not kept pace with how to deal with software encryption within international programs, analysts contend. As a result, the United States has had to fund the final stages of MIDS JTRS without the full participation of the other partners."

“We have been working closely with the security policy apparatus all through this development. Last summer the NSA described the MIDS JTRS program as the ‘policy icebreaker’ for software cryptographic systems. The problem is that all of the old policy was based on hardware security systems. Software-based security systems require a new paradigm,” Prater noted.

“This is a whole new world and the old rules don’t apply,” he continued. “Understanding all of the implications and getting the policy right is a difficult process that will take time. There are two national policies in play here, on the one hand is the security policy, which we cannot afford to get wrong, and on the other hand the national military strategy, which is based on interoperability and coalition warfare. The proper balance between security and interoperability is essential.”
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Among the “major headaches” anticipated in this program, Huff said, is obtaining permission from the U.S. government to share JTRS technology with the MIDS partner countries.

He said the MIDS office is working with the Defense Department and the National Security Agency to figure out how the Europeans can participate in this program.

“For each software module, we have to seek NSA guidance to release information,” he said. “It’s very painful.”

Unlike the current MIDS, where the encryption chip is a piece of hardware, the JTRS is entirely software based. “In JTRS, we have reprogrammable [security] engines, keys, cryptographic algorithms, and code that is not releasable,” said Huff. “Somehow, we have to come up with a way to package it in an anti-tamper environment. NSA is working on this.”

Under a worst-case scenario, the allies would have to develop their own software and each partner would have to come up with compatible algorithms for interoperability, said Huff. “We really don’t want to do that. We want the United States to do the [security] work and find a way to provide it to them.”
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So what does this mean, anyone remember how USA wanted to implement 'secret keys' making it possible to open all 'private keys' for RSA encryption ASE and the Zimmerman algorithm? You should because this is the same concept. Qualified BS.. We only got the private keys when in a war situation. Do you think the American government would accept unencrypted communications for its fighters? So why do they expect their 'trust worthy' partners to do so? And guess what, our yellow belly Military, and politicians agreed to this too :) I still have trouble believing that they did. It stinks..

--Quote--

Under a worst-case scenario, the allies would have to develop their own software and each partner would have to come up with compatible algorithms for interoperability, said Huff. “We really don’t want to do that. We want the United States to do the [security] work and find a way to provide it to them.”

--End of quote

Of course they want that:)

Then they can control when and whom to use or not use encryption. As if the idea of open and closed keys, aka Zimmermann isn't public knowledge? And as I understand it this was the main reason why we (Sweden) couldn't use our own data link as we wouldn't get the encryption then?

So, how trustworthy is USA themselves then?
When it comes to its hi tech, even when saying that they 'sell it with the aircraft'?

---Quote--

"The author was involved in the import of many software based weapon systems while in Armscor in his youth. In each case South African software engineers controlled the software and made sure of the algorithm integrity. In each and every case the imported software was found to be incompetent”, but because of DoD policy in those days, the problem and above equation was recognised and South Africa kept control of the system software.

In the middle 90’s the author’s company sold a radar warning simulator to a European NATO member for their F16s. During the tests it was conclusively established that the F16 electronic warfare system was blind over half its intended frequency spectrum. It was operationally useless. When these aircraft were required for use in Bosnia, a US approved operation, the USAF issued “combat software” with the “latest upgrades”. After the deployment, the upgraded software was erased. This NATO country could then only use its aircraft in US approved operations and had in fact, no sovereignty."

From South African Army Journal 2008 issue 2.

---end of quote--

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This might interest those of you wondering about how the process selling arms works in the United States, and what they are planning to do about it. USA Moves to Improve Arms Export Regulation Process. (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/usa-moves-to-reform-arms-export-regulation-process-04665/)

signatory
01-26-2011, 05:50 AM
By the fact that the SH has 5 wet stations and carries 4 x fuel tanks in tanker missions, there should be no doubt that it can offer a similar load like the Rafale with 2 x cruise missiles and up to 3 x fuel tanks, even if it would be heavier missiles like Taurus. Don't forget that even the F18 Hornets, or F16 has shown this earlier:

http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2004/aug/260804/LFK023_KEPD%20on%20EF18dotjpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/991599adotjpg

http://www.williamsfoundation.org.au/media/news/img/jassmdotjpg



Nah you're being too enthusiastic here. Jassm is lighter/smaller and well within heavy stores restrictions on the SH compared to the Taurus so that is a different argument. You brought up KEPD 350 but Gripen could use jassm or something else and possibly use two drop tanks instead of one but KEPD 350 was the discussion and that's why I'm saying it is not proven what SH can actually carry.

SH has a lower G-load limit than both Rafale and Gripen and its inner wing stores are designed for 1305Kg which is less than KEPD 350. However, distributing the off-scale load has at least enabled the Spanish EF-18 to carry one but nothing else heavier on that same wing. What happens with the external fuel tanks is that they empty first in the aircraft fuel system and quickly become lighter. That is why you see SH with that kind of config. It's so far not proven that SH can fly with 2xKEPD350 at all. And btw I wouldn't just assume that more fueltanks means longer range when comparing two different aircraft. Twin-engine and more drag has to be taken into account. Gripen has SH-range with just half the fuel.

Anyway, nice little discussion.

Back to news.



Swedish Defense Minister Visits Singapore and India
25 January 2011 | news Newsdesk

Swedish Defense Minister Sten Tolgfors will visit Singapore and India from 25 to 28 January 2011.

Tuesday and Wednesday, Mr. Tolgfors will hold bilateral talks with his coleague, Singaporean Defense Minister Teo Chee Hean. Thursday and Friday, January 27 to 28, he will travel on to India to hold talks with the Indian Defense Minister AK Anthony.

On the agenda are issues such as materiel cooperation and security policy issues.

source (http://www.scandasia.com/viewNews.php?coun_code=se&news_id=8207)


Ps. Limited discussions is welcomed concerning Gripen news but for larger debates and OT Loke created a far more suitable thread (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?136897-Gripen-Discussion-thread). Don't be afraid to use it. p-)

signatory
01-27-2011, 10:02 AM
Gripen presentation to Bulgaria next week

Bulgaria's Defense Minister to visit Saab and Swedish counter-part.

Source:Bulgarian link. (http://www.livenews.bg/bulgaria/s/349961566-Anyu_Angelov_shte_se_sreshtne_s_rakovodstvoto_na_SAAB.html)

Previous news (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=121637)

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1806/photoverybig121637dotjpg
Bulgaria's Defense Minister Angelov says the government will spend BGN 1 B on new fighter jets, starting a tender in 2012.


The tender for the procurement of the new fighter jets for the Bulgarian Air Force will be announced at the beginning of 2011. The new plane will be selected by the middle of 2012, and the delivery should start in 2015.

Yoron
01-27-2011, 01:04 PM
148992
Brakes applied..

Ain't she lovely :)
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Here you have a sweet PDF Optimize-driven design in, and by, SAAB (http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=19&ved=0CF0QFjAIOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.solid.iei.liu.se%2FResearch%2FProOpt2009%2FJ%25C3%25B6nk%25C3%25B6ping%25202010-10-07%2Ftorsten.pdf&ei=9rpBTeGvIIySOs_rlNwB&usg=AFQjCNEkp8pimUl1mSh9Cj-NkFf8ewp42Q)
It mentions some interesting stuff, and research (drag etc.).

And here's the official SAAB website In English - Air - (http://www.saabtech.se/en/Air/)

signatory
01-31-2011, 09:22 AM
'Blog' entry by SweDefMin Tolgfors.

Google translate.


Gripen for India (http://tolgfors.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/gripen-for-indien/)
Posted January 31, 2011
Filed under: 1 |

In New Delhi I met among others my Indian colleague A.K. Antony.

The reason I went to India at this time was to highlight the Government's support for the Saab Gripen.

But there are also a number of other important issues to talk with India on right now. India is pursuing a significant development cooperation with Afghanistan. India will also considerable emphasis on maintaining the security of international maritime transport and the fight against piracy in the Indian Ocean. There is a new MOU on defense between Sweden and India and the related working group has just held its first meeting. We look forward to a second meeting in the spring.

India is now preparing to short list a number of planes, that they choose to move forward with in the process.

In a few weeks, it is Aero India, where a Swedish delegation will attend. State Secretary Håkan Jevrell will come together with other such as Håkan Espmark to represent the Defense Department there.

Gripen is a well proven fighter. We have personally flown more than 120,000 hours, with very good experience. At the same time, the Gripen NG will be the most modern aircraft in the Indian contract, since the next generation of Gripen is developed to be operational right on delivery to India. Competitors are a few years older models.

The demonstrator has flown over 150 passes and has been in place in India.

We see the fact that the Gripen is a single-engine as a big advantage, both in terms of price, operating costs and reliability. "Double the engines, double the trouble." A significant portion of the additional thrust that an engine provides extra is spent to offset the plane's increased weight.

Gripen has proven to be successful at high altitude basing and is designed to be for "quick turnaround times" and "small ground crews."

The purchase price is significantly lower than competitors, but even more interesting is that the life-cycle cost is significantly lower relative number of competitors. Should India choose Gripen opens up completely new possibilities for technical cooperation in aviation.

The Indian Minister Antony is focused on creating an open procurement process that is determined by the different aircraft's own merits. He is also very clear in his work against all forms of corruption.

It really is an attitude that I welcome.

Sten Tolgfors, Minister for Defence

signatory
02-02-2011, 07:12 AM
Update.


Gripen presentation to Bulgaria next week

Bulgaria's Defense Minister to visit Saab and Swedish counter-part.

Bulgaria's Defense Minister Angelov says the government will spend BGN 1 B on new fighter jets, starting a tender in 2012.

Those talks with the Swedish DefMin will happen this Friday (http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/110/dateMode/day/date/110204). The 2-day visit to Sweden begins Thursday.


Bulgaria Buys Fighters
Offers sought from five leaders in arms manufacturing

Bulgaria will spend a billion levs for fighter planes.

Bulgaria seeks to buy eight fighters, two of them training ones. The framework contract option provides an opportunity for the delivery of eight other aircrafts at a later stage.
The aircraft may be second-hand.

source (http://paper.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2011-02-02&article=35387)

1 bn BNG = 512m EUR

How would Gripen fit into that budget? Depends on requirements of course but there is clearly some room to maneuver in. Croatia received (http://www.jutarnji.hr/stari-f-16-besplatno--tristo-milijuna-dolara-za-obuku-i-dijelove/776092/) an offer of exSwAF 8 x JAS39C/D, training, spare parts for 220m EUR.

Saab already indicated they could (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=115242) rival costs of the nearest competitor. And at a briefing late last year (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=120402) highlighted economic investments as part of a deal. But money aside, most of all it depends on who you want to work with. Or listen to.


Wikileaks: US Sought to Discourage Bulgaria from Buying Brand-New Fighter Jets, French Corvettes (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=124805)

Update2: Bulgarian Air Force Major-General Konstantin Popov will be part of the small delegation. Popov flew Gripen 39D back in June 2010 during a Czech visit to learn about their operational experience.

signatory
02-02-2011, 02:25 PM
http://www.dn.se/images/2011/01/12/JAS_202dotjpg

That jet which rolled into the F 17 safety net recently after a icy runway slip only suffered a dent to its external fuel tank and went back in the air just 2 days after.

Source SR Radio (http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=105&artikel=4326841)

kme
02-02-2011, 10:40 PM
Is this sort of equipment default on Swedish air force bases? I would be highly surprised if we have it in Denmark, but I don't know for sure.

JohanGrön
02-03-2011, 02:09 AM
Yes, they are standard equipment on Swedish AF airbases. The normal ratio where one catch a year in the safety net (utrullningsnät) as far as I can remember (data from the early 90:s, damn I'm old ...).

They were (are?) also present on all Swedish road bases were you had the added effect of wind shear (vindskjuvning) due to the adjacent tree lines making a short or long sättningspunkt (touchdown point in english perhaps?) a factor to relate to.


//JG

signatory
02-04-2011, 09:38 AM
Some recent news and photos from our South African friends.

Gripen squadron leader can't wait for Mondays
Date: 2 February 2011

By Ken Helfrich


http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6679/wb2714gripdotjpg

He is not the first black man to command a SA Air Force squadron but he is the first to have the sharp end of the country's airborne fighting force under his control.

Lt Col Musa Mbokota is the new boss of 2 Squadron at AFB Makhado in Limpopo and is well acquainted with the Swedish-manufactured Gripen fighter jets that are the long-range spear of the nation.

The man who goes by the call-sign "Midnite" when he is in the cockpit of the fourth generation fighter, first encountered military jets when he was at boarding school in Elim, not too far away from what was then AFB Louis Trichardt (now Makhado).

"I used to see the jets (Mirages) flying over at incredible speeds and then pass low over the school. It was awesome, it was technical, it was teamwork and it was handsom. It was everything I wanted to do," he said in an interview with the SAAF magazine, Ad Astra.

The decision made, he joined the SAAF after finishing schooling, and the rest, as they say, is history. His understanding and appreciation of flying fighter jets by hours spent in the cockpit of the SAAF's former front-line fighter, the Cheetah, made him a natural for Gripen selection and in 2002 he had his first flight in one of the new jets in Sweden.

Three years later he moved into the front seat of the aircraft and successfully did his conversion to the type early in 2008.

A career highlight to date was last year's Fifa Soccer World Cup when the Griens were deployed alongside other SAAF aircraft in an air policing role.

"From a pilot's point of view I think the Gripen is the ultimate," said the man who enjoys his work so much that when he finishes on a Friday, he cannot wait for Monday to get back to work.

Source: The New Age via saairforce.co.za (http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/954/gripen-squadron-leader-cant-wait-for-mondays)

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Airforce upbeat on its future
Date: 28 January 2011

"For the South African Air Force, the year 2010 - SAAF 90, was a year of achievement in the face of significant challenges." These were the words of Chief of the Air Force, Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano, in his address at the annual Air Force Day Parade held on Friday 28 January 2011 at the Zwartkop airfield near Pretoria.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9039/gripen400x300dotjpg

In his address, Gagiano made mention of a number of achievements during the past year. The most publicly recognised must be the SAAF's contribution to Operation Kgwele, the Defence Force security participation in the FIFA Soccer World Cup. Gagiano mentioned that more than 2 000 airforce personnel were utilised for this operation, 2 318 hours were flown (including 400 combat air patrols), almost 65 000 flight authorisations were issued and 12 921 civilian pilots were screened. The SAAF, Gagiano said, achieved "a substantially higher than expected aircraft availability during Operation Kgwele, purely through the dedication of the focused and revitalised personnel concerned."

Significant progress had been made during 2010 with regard to the development and integration of air-to-air missiles on the Hawk and Gripen. This involved the test-firing of the new IRIS-T from a Gripen in June 2010 and the first developmental test-firing of the A-Darter missile which will be integrated onto both the Gripen and Hawk. A helmet-mounted capability will also be added to the Hawk.

A further highlight was the training of new aircrew for the Gripen, allowing existing Gripen pilots to be transferred to 85 Combat Flying School (Hawk) and the Central Flying School as instructors.

[...]

saairforce.co.za (http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/952/airforce-upbeat-on-its-future)

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Air Force Day Parade

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/951/fileddotjpg
Photo: Warbirdsfly @ avcom.co.za

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6808/img4407m800copydotjpg

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Bulgarian Minister of Defence visits Saab

4 February 2011, in News

The Bulgarian Minister of Defence Anuy Angelov met yesterday with senior representatives of the Swedish defence and security company Saab as part of a bilateral official visit to Sweden. The Minister visited Saab’s production facility in Linkoping where the Gripen fighter aircraft is being manufactured.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9861/bulgariandelegation1122dotjpg

Image: The Bulgarian delegation visited Saab in Linköping. Photo: Saab/Per Kustvik.

The Bulgarian delegation was hosted by Lennart Sindahl, Executive Vice President and Head of Saab Business Area Aeronautics. Topics concerning the modernization of the Bulgarian Air Force were discussed and the possibilities for Sweden to deliver Gripen fighters to Bulgaria.

”Bulgaria is an important market for Saab and we see a strong possibility to develop the industrial ties between our two countries”, said Lennart Sindahl, Executive Vice President and Head of Saab Business Area Aeronautics.

Minister Angelov will also meet with the Swedish Minister for Defence Sten Tolgfors and Saab President and CEO, Håkan Buskhe.

The Bulgarian Ministry of Defence recently issued a Request for Information for multirole fighter aircraft to the Bulgarian Air Force. Gripen is one the contenders. Sweden and Saab remain fully committed to the modernization process of the Bulgarian Air Force. Sweden offers Bulgaria brand new, fully NATO interoperable, multirole Gripen fighters in an intergovernmental deal.

http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/About%20Saab/Newsroom/News/Bulgarian_delegation_11220_440dotjpg

Saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2011---1/Bulgarian-Minister-of-Defence-visits-Saab-/)


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Nice to see 39830-31.

Thanks for watching. Have a good weekend. Let's see what Aero India will bring in terms of news...

signatory
02-06-2011, 10:04 PM
Prepwork for Aero India...

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6192/india1idotjpg

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8164/22983609dotjpg

Note: 39829 took part in the Swiss evaluation programme.

Photos By Maj VK Singh, DPR via Livefist (http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/02/photos-preparations-for-aero-india-2011.html)

Tarmak007 (http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2011/02/super-sunday-aero-india-2011welcome-to.html)
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Very nice photo from the 2010 tour, should be good for some backgrounds.

http://i54.*******.com/np0vlxdotjpg
Photo by 'iomedes'

Direct Link (http://i54.*******.com/np0vlxdotjpg)

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And I borrowed that one, plus some clips lying around (some might be new to a few people) to stitch together a simple promo for this thread. Or something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfO9TIrbIzk

No engine noise in this one, not that kind of scenes really.

jontew
02-07-2011, 01:07 PM
Damn! Really nice vid there sig!

katjing
02-07-2011, 02:00 PM
And I borrowed that one, plus some clips lying around (some might be new to a few people) to stitch together a simple promo for this thread. Or something.

No engine noise in this one, not that kind of scenes really.
Nice! But what whats with the F-16? Delete it!

signatory
02-07-2011, 04:24 PM
Nice! But what whats with the F-16? Delete it!

:) I considered it. But got to show the enemy sometimes... Thanks for comments guys.

On Thursday (http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Events/2011/AeroIndia%202011/Press%20Briefings%20Aero%20India%202011%20Saab.pdf)is the Gripen IN pressbrief with the headline Gripen IN - Next Generation Intelligence.

Kunal Biswas
02-07-2011, 07:31 PM
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/850/gripendotjpg












http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1746/gripen1dotjpg

Loke2
02-08-2011, 05:09 AM
A story on the Indian MMRCA competition, page 46:

http://gb.zinio.com/reader.jsp?o=int&pub=69582310&prev=sub&offer=274582255



What the Indian fighter pilots wants from the MMRCA competition is summarized well by Air Commo. Ramesh Phadke, a former fighter pilot who now advises a government-funded think tank, the Institute for Defense Studies & Analyses:

"A light, easily maneuverable, agile and relatively inexpensive fighter that delivers every time, generates high sortie rates and is easy to maintain and train on a day-to-day peacetime schedule."

signatory
02-08-2011, 05:12 AM
AE11

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5416/img0136bs.thdotjpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/img0136bsdotjpg/)http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1843/img0153tm.thdotjpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/img0153tmdotjpg/)http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4104/img0160rm.thdotjpg (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/img0160rmdotjpg/)

Photos: InMoD


Swedish Saab to open R&D unit in India

* To add 300 engineers over 5 years-CEO

* Is in race for $11-bln Indian fighter jet order

(Adds details, background)

BANGALORE, Feb 8 (R.e.u.t.e.r.s) - Swedish defence and aerospace

group Saab AB plans to open a research and

development centre in India "soon," as it looks to boost its

presence in one of the fastest growing aircraft markets, its

chief executive said on Tuesday.

The Swedish firm plans to add 300 engineers over five

years, Hakan Buskhe told a media briefing.

High spending on arms and a rapid increase in civil

transport in Asia's third-largest economy has lured global

players like Saab, Boeing and Airbus to India.

Last October, Airbus' chief executive Tom Enders said the

company plans to more than double its team at its India

engineering centre to 400 by 2013.

source (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/1-swedish-saab-open-r-d-unit-india-20110208-003123-034.html)

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Saab have JV's with Indian companies already, such as TATA CS (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/saab_leverages_india_for_gripen_next_generation_development.htm) that worked on Gripen NG and Samtel (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2010---2/Saab-and-Samtel-in-cooperation-on-new-generation-Head-Up-Display/) for helicopter HUD's (also signed for eventual MMRCA offsets).

JohanGrön
02-08-2011, 07:08 AM
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Photo by Maj VK Singh / DPR Defence

Sancho78
02-08-2011, 04:03 PM
A story on the Indian MMRCA competition, page 46:

http://gb.zinio.com/reader.jsp?o=int&pub=69582310&prev=sub&offer=274582255


I see what you did there! ;-)

Interesting article and when read completely, it sums up the important point pretty well.

Kunal Biswas
02-09-2011, 02:36 AM
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7190/grippenfighteraircrafttdotjpg






http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5360/aeroindiaphoto3718319dotjpg











http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6572/aeroindialotiii2dotjpg











http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5159/aeroindialotvii2dotjpg



http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?193885-Aero-India-2011-%28-International-airshows-%29

signatory
02-10-2011, 08:38 AM
Nice photos there Kunal Biswas, if possible try to give credit to photographers when adding their work :)

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A bit shaky but only video I found from the show..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5hbba9TDZ8
By: MrJaideepsingh

Looked at the seminar (http://aeroindialive.nic.in/show_ondemand.asp?id_episode=3&id_part=3).. thought this particular sentence would be newsworthy just to confirm that March is still going to be interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUKPSrb4YlI

Can you tell he's not a native English speaker....? :P

kalerab
02-10-2011, 09:03 AM
http://www.fotogaleria.lietadla.com/foto/363/36399dotjpg

@ Jiří Matoušek

signatory
02-11-2011, 06:30 AM
From SAAB this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APC3if_GCWU

@ 1m30s, CEO mentions that March launching of the first E/F test aircraft.

Today http://www.gripen.com was switched up to SAAB Group as it now redirects directy to the main campaign site.

(BTW, club Håkan? Three people named Håkan in that video... Håkan Buskhe (Saab), Håkan Jevrell (DefMin) and Brig. Gen Håkan Bergström (DefMin advisor). Håkan is sort of ****ounced 'hawk-ann'. )

Murphy
02-11-2011, 07:29 AM
@ 1m30s, CEO mentions that March launching of the first E/F test aircraft.



Presumably they just dropped the second F414G delivered by GE into this "new" E/F testvehicle with features reported here earlier: larger wingspan, new cockpit arrangements, additional RCS reduction features, IRST fittings etc? Or is it a further reworked NG Demo he's talking about?

And then there were supposed to be 3 or 4 of pre-production E/F aircraft, correct?

wildfrespo
02-11-2011, 11:01 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3dae6tttOCo/TVTZ0xiZ2LI/AAAAAAAAMm4/REox_PtySec/s1600/Gripen%2B%2526%2BLCH%2B%2528back%2Bground%2529%2BVKSL5818-718596.JPG

signatory
02-12-2011, 12:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnpF7JwSgA

http://i56.*******.com/15mz67ddotjpg


Vice Admiral Shekhar Sinha,Deputy Chief of Integrated Defence Staff (PP & BD),HQ IDS (PP&FD) also Gray Eagle of the Indian Navy is taking of first hand experience of flying in the Gripen Air craft at Aero-India 2011, in Bangalore on February 10, 2011.

Kunal Biswas
02-12-2011, 02:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnpF7JwSgA


Nice and informative..


Some Pics from Aero-India-2011 :

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4868/gripenvksl5814dotjpg




http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/340/gripenaircraftvksl5792dotjpg

From:
http://chhindits.blogspot.com/
http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/
http://livefist.blogspot.com/


Thread On Aero India 2011 :
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?193885-Aero-India-2011-%28-International-airshows-%29/page2

Kunal Biswas
02-13-2011, 05:53 AM
Indian MRCA deal Got bigger!



It is already known as the world’s biggest defence import deal in a long time. Now, it transpires, it is even bigger than that. The Indian Air Force is in the market to buy 126 Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) from one of six foreign vendors bidding for the contract.

Over time, however, the IAF plans to buy 260 of them, Deccan Chronicle has learnt. That means, what has been talked about as a $10-12 billion deal will eventually fetch the winner of the contract close to $25 billion.

While the IAF floated a request for proposal (RFP) for only 126 fighters, sources privy to the armed forces’ Long-Term Integrated Perspective Plan said that that document puts the number of medium fighter jets the IAF needs at is 260. Ministry of defence officials, however, refused to confirm that there was any plan beyond the current RFP.

America’s Lockheed Martin (F-16) and Boeing (F/A-18), the 4-nation Eurofighter consortium (Typhoon), France’s Dassault (Rafale), Sweden's SAAB (Gripen) and Russia’s Mikoyan-Gureyvich (MiG-35) are locked in a high-intensity public relations as well as behind-the-scenes war to win the contract.

Air Chief P.V. Naik had on Thursday said that the Contract Negotiations Committee would achieve key milestones towards evaluating the packages offered by the various vendors in a week or two and that the contract would be ready for signing by September, except if "dissatisfied vendors put a spoke in the wheel".

That, sources said, looked almost inevitable given the size of the contract and what it could do to the fortunes of the winner. It could potentially keep alive assembly lines for some fighters from the 1970s/1980s vintage for another 30 years, ensuring that some 25,000 to 30,000 people would find employment in what are currently stricken economies in the US and Europe.

The sources also said that the eventual number of the frontline air superiority Sukhoi-30 MKIs from Russia in the IAF's fleet would also go up to 280.

The IAF would need these higher numbers of combat jets of different classes considering that it has to plan for threats coming from two fronts.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/bengaluru/fighter-deal-bigger-126-will-rise-260-358

signatory
02-14-2011, 03:35 AM
Lots of pre/post-show media buzz on this. No Bollywood celebs or VIPs - just some aviation interested kids getting a chance to fly a jet through the Saab Top Guns contest.

And the winner: Shashank H R. Congatulations!


Tarmak007 fan Shashank is the star of Aero India

http://i.imgur.com/0xa1edotjpg


Tarmak007 (http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/)

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http://i.imgur.com/67Flddotjpg

BANGALORE: For someone who's never flown before, young mechanical engineering student H.R. Shashank's romance with the sky will begin with no less than a fighter jet — the SAAB's fighter jet Gripen JAS 39.

In seventh heaven (http://www.24dunia.com/english-news/shownews/7/BMS-student-gets-to-fly-Gripen-today/9139411.html)

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Shashank ‘saab’ flew the Gripen
Bangalore, Feb 13, DHNS:

In a country where dreams of stepping into an aeroplane are latent, the first aircraft Shashank H R, a 20-year-old engineering student from Bangalore stepped into was a fighter plane. And more, he co-piloted it, performing some risky turns.

Yes, Shashank-saab flew SAAB’s fighter plane Gripen with test pilot Robin Norlander here on Sunday, a day after he was declared the winner of the SAAB Gripen contest. “We took off towards the West of Yelahanka Air Force Station roughly at about 12.35 pm, as it was planned. My mind was not trained to do this but it acclimatised in the course of the flight,” Shashank, breathing heavily, said after his flight landed.

The Malleswaram boy said the plane then climbed up to the altitude of 5,000 km. “We then got the clearance to get up to 15,000 km by the Air Traffic Control. When we reached that altitude, I performed the left and the right turns when I was given the control, but we lost altitude and dropped down to as low as 5,000 km. Robin then took us back to 15,000 km,” Shashank said.

Explaining why the firm had chosen Shashank, SAAB India Director Eddy le da Motte, said: “It’s just not our style to fly celebrities, we wanted to fly Indian citizens and sell our fighter to the nation.”

His efforts might have not already bagged SAAB the coveted $10-12 billion Medium Multi-Role Aircraft (MMRCA) deal that the Gripen is competing along with five other contenders, but it surely won one of the contestants’ heart.

Kasmeera Shah, one of the finalists from the SAAB Gripen contest had told Deccan Herald on Saturday: “Gripen is a good aircraft, It can win the MMRCA deal…”

Stating that Shashank had a good flight, Robin Norlander said they had performed some risky turns during the sortie and the Bangalore boy held himself up quite well. The aircraft had flown about 340 miles south of the air base. It even performed a formation with a SAAB 2000 and a SAAB 340.

The SAAB 2000 had taken Selween Mascarenhas from Goa, Shaival Sheth from Mumbai, Chiranth Ashok and Kasmeera Shah from Bangalore, who were all the finalists of the contest as passengers.

Speaking to Deccan Herald, Shashank’s parents M V Meera and H S Ramesh said: “He has made the entire State proud.” Ramesh further explained that Shashank was always interested in aircraft. “I had brought him to the 1996 air show and he has been very keen on aircraft ever since, I am happy that he could achieve something like this.”

Shashank had in fact missed an exam to be able to fly the Gripen. “I had my Graduate Aptitude Test in Engineering (GATE) exams today, but I missed it for this,” he said, adding: “I was not sure if I would come out in flying colours there and this seemed like a wise choice!”

By the satisfied look on his face, it was.

link (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/137538/shashank-saab-flew-gripen.html)


http://i.imgur.com/LKbmOdotjpg

Livefist (http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/02/blore-engineering-student-wins-contest.html)

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http://www.deccanherald.com/images/editor_images1/2011/02/12/air-250dotjpg

The fight to fly a fighter aircraft was over and four happy faces accompanied the young man from Bangalore who overwhelmed them as they all stood proudly in SAAB’s pilot uniforms.

The final five: Shashank H R (centre), the winner of the SAAB Gripen’s contest, along with the other finalists at the Aero India 2011 on Saturday. DH photoThe ones smiling were Selween Mascarenhas from Goa, a pilot with Jet Airways, Shaival Sheth from Mumbai, Chiranth Ashok and Kasmeera Shah from Bangalore. They had all made it to the finals of SAAB Gripen’s contest, but lost to Malleswaram boy Shashank H R, who will get to fly the Swedish fighter Gripen at Aero India.



Another Bangalorean, Kashmera Shah, an employee with Infosys and the lone woman to make it to the final, was thrilled over the simulation test.“It had been my childhood dream to be an air force pilot. The day my mother saw the contest advertisement she asked me to enroll and I am happy that I came this far,” a elated Shah said.

DNA (http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_aero-india-2011-bangalore-student-beats-2400-to-fly-gripen_1507053)

deccanherald (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/137263/bangalore-boy-wins-flight-gripen.html)

jontew
02-14-2011, 12:56 PM
Oh man, thats one lucky guy for sure :D

signatory
02-15-2011, 10:28 AM
http://i.imgur.com/5UGg1dotjpg
sarit2006

http://i.imgur.com/ajtHedotjpg


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Coming days:

RTAF getting Gripens. Wing 7 has a countdown clock (http://www.wing7.rtaf.mi.th/gripen.php)...

Brazilian DefMin Nelson Jobim visits Sweden & Britain for bilateral talks Feb 19-27. (provided his Swede-allergy doesn't break out).

...

signatory
02-15-2011, 04:55 PM
Bit shaky but mostly complete:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B8WD9gwQM4
MrJaideepsingh
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* FEBRUARY 15, 2011, 3:50 P.M. ET

UPDATE: Brazil Defense Min: Budget Cuts To Trim BRL4B From Defense


(Adds Correa announcement.)

BRASILIA (Dow Jones)--Brazil's government will cut 4.02 billion Brazilian reais ($2.4 billion) from its BRL15.17 billion defense budget this year under proposed fiscal tightening, Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said Tuesday.

In a note published on the ministry website, the government confirmed that discretionary defense spending would be reduced by 26.5% of total allocated defense ministry spending.

The reduction in defense spending comes as part of the government's plans to reduce overall spending by BRL50 billion this year in an effort to curb excess demand in the economy and inflation pressure.

Jobim, however, said the proposed cuts would not necessarily hinder the government's plans to make a final decision this year on a purchase of new fighter jets for its armed forces.

The purchase of up to 36 jets, which has been on hold since 2002, is expected to cost the government up to $4 billion or more.

But according to Jobim, the purchases would only have an impact on the federal budget in 2012 or 2013.

Among the finalists for the tender are Rafale fighters produced by France's Dassault Aviation (DSY.FR), Gripen jets manufactured by Sweden's SAAB (SAAB-B.SK) and F-18 Super Hornet fighters by the U.S.'s Boeing Co.(BA).

Brazilian government officials had initially hinted at a preference for the Rafale jets, but more recently have indicated a willingness to further review the competing proposals from SAAB and Boeing.

Earlier in the day Friday, Brazilian Federal Budget Secretary Celia Correa said the government would give full details of its proposed 2011 budget cuts by Monday or Tuesday next week.

-By Gerald Jeffris, Dow J (http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110215-715065.html)
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@ Skyman, PM.

Upandaway
02-16-2011, 05:35 AM
Presentation on Gripen flight-testing from a conference in India this January

http://aeroindialive.nic.in/show_ondemand.asp?id_episode=4&id_part=4

Starts around 1:20:00

h/t pngwerume @ Saaf Forum

signatory
02-17-2011, 10:24 AM
Czech Republic - Request For Information

RFI sent to SAAB/Sweden. EF, FR, USA.

CzAF currently fly leased 14 Batch 3 JAS 39C/D taken out of SwAF production slots. Lease contract expires 2015.

source (http://www.natoaktual.cz/ministerstvo-obrany-se-diva-po-novych-stihackach-f7g-/na_cr.asp?c=A110217_071515_na_cr_m00)

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SAAB AB Full Year/Q4 2010 report

Market welcomed it.

Aeronautics division doing good.


Saab AB, the Swedish maker of the Gripen jet fighter, rose the most in more than four months after the value of new orders in the fourth quarter beat analysts’ estimates.

“The order intake was better than expected, which bodes well,” Mats Liss, an analyst at Swedbank Markets who recommends investors buy Saab shares, said by phone.

Saab today said it received orders worth 11.9 billion kronor ($1.84 billion) in the quarter, up 69 percent from a year earlier. Most analysts had estimated less than 10 billion kronor, and Liss expected between 8 billion and 9 billion kronor, he said. Saab said the improvement stemmed from an increase in large orders, including one for an airborne surveillance system, and an order for six Gripen for Thailand.

source (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-16/saab-rises-most-in-four-months-after-orders-beat-estimates.html)

Year-End-Results (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2011---1/The-year-end-report-2010/)

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Bird strike today (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Norrbottens-flygflottilj-F-21/Nyheter/Fagelkollision/)

SwAF jet from F 21. Bird hit nose, blood on the canopy. RTB. No problemos.

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Smokin'!

http://i.imgur.com/eHdF2dotjpg
by Sridhar Parthasarathy

Tangential
02-17-2011, 10:59 AM
Czech Republic - Request For Information

RFI sent to SAAB/Sweden. EF, FR, USA.

CzAF currently fly leased 14 Batch 3 JAS 39C/D taken out of SwAF production slots. Lease contract expires 2015.

source (http://www.natoaktual.cz/ministerstvo-obrany-se-diva-po-novych-stihackach-f7g-/na_cr.asp?c=A110217_071515_na_cr_m00)


So if i understand the situation correctly:

The Czechs think BAe did something wrong in the initial Gripen bid.

The Czechs wont allow SAAB to enter the bidding process unless the Brits investigate BAe.

The Czechs will allow BAe and the UK to offer the Eurofighter.

The logic is almost as logical as Norwegian maths.

Maybe this rant should be in the discussion tread :/ sorry.

signatory
02-17-2011, 11:44 AM
@ Tangential

Or more like the case of one slightly uninformed politican trying to look tough on corruption for domestic reasons. BAe-Saab's offer never materialised which is the whole reason why they lease jets directly from the Swedish state after a second tender process. He didnt even mention the Swedish state (FMV) on this issue... the side that is most likely to offer extended lease and/or upgrade to E/F. Anyway, seems like the RFI is mostly to investigate if other bidders can at all deliver something that could fit a budget especially in terms of life cycle costs. And then the next move would be to decide what to do.. I suppose almost anything can happen.

signatory
02-18-2011, 12:16 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Qaegidotjpg

Yesterday the Swedish government signed off on the RTAF Gripen x6 delivery and today they began their long flight to Wing 7 Surat Thani.

Spotted in Hungary which is just one of several stops on the way. Hold thumbs everything works out fine especially that final jump on/off the Andaman Islands. Let's keep those sharks in the air...

http://i.imgur.com/TekOWdotjpg

Credit: Zord @ Air Power blog (http://legiero.blog.hu/2011/02/18/thai_atutazok)

http://i.imgur.com/UH88hdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/Pmg1cdotjpg

39.860 - 70101
39.861 - 70102
39.401 - 70105
39.862 - 70103
39.863 - 70104
39.402 - 70106

Credit: Zord @ Air Power blog (http://legiero.blog.hu/2011/02/18/thai_atutazok)

jochen
02-18-2011, 01:22 PM
http://i.imgur.com/UH88hdotjpg

Why do they have swedish airforce mark on them in that strange place?

signatory
02-18-2011, 02:41 PM
Why do they have swedish airforce mark on them in that strange place?

International bureaucracy... they are atm Swedish state airplanes. There's Thai flag and insignia under those stickers.

Gonna be great seeing those jets in beautiful South Thailand woot

Sancho78
02-18-2011, 04:17 PM
150279


Is the Location of this antenna new and what is it for? The Gripen participated at Aero India had them higher above and I know this only from Gripen NG. Anything else that was changed?

signatory
02-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Is the Location of this antenna new and what is it for? The Gripen participated at Aero India had them higher above and I know this only from Gripen NG. Anything else that was changed?

ILS antenna. First moved to its new position on the South African aircraft and since then on Thai and new SwAF jets. Thai Gripens have a few other changes such as extra cooling to the engine. They also get a national datalink developed and supplied under ToT by Saab.

signatory
02-19-2011, 06:12 PM
RTAF Gripens setting off car alarms on Crete p-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1du3zlKfDyg
By MichailAlex

Don't expect the same luck with spotters in the arab dictatorships.. maybe someone in India will snap them though.

Upandaway
02-19-2011, 06:13 PM
Seems like the "competition" (circus rather) in Brazil has been suspended until further notice.
Dilma warns that there is no 'climate' to buy fighter planes (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=sv&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.aereo.jor.br/2011/02/19/dilma-avisa-que-nao-ha-clima-para-comprar-cacas/&rurl=translate.google.se&usg=ALkJrhjfegkNzFyIp0qJRRNzrA5OWOy0Gw)

BRASILIA - The Plateau has suspended the purchase of 36 fighters to join the Air Force (FAB) is in effect while the period of fiscal austerity.
. After announcing a budget cut of $ 50 billion, the president Rousseff assessed that there is no "climate" to consider a military spending of U.S. $ 7 billion (about $ 12 billion), reported that the four ministers O Estado de S. Paulo.

Leia mais (Read More): Airpower (http://www.aereo.jor.br/#ixzz1ERvIDFe7)



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signatory
02-21-2011, 01:09 PM
Back to Alaska (http://www.eielson.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=5545) for the SwAF.

http://i.imgur.com/Nuopzdotjpg

Red Flag- Alaska 11-4: October 6 - 21


Source (http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/artikel.aspx?ArticleID=5988250)

signatory
02-22-2011, 10:26 AM
Some photos of the arrival to Surat Thani..

Good job getting them there!

http://i.imgur.com/RJO0Wdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/kc51Ydotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/a0QnFdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/I182idotjpg

signatory
02-22-2011, 03:12 PM
Former Thai F-5 and F-16 pilots got the itch...




http://i.imgur.com/JrITvdotjpg

Pilots itching to fly latest Gripens, seen as a new force in the region
By The Nation

Published on February 23, 2011

After a long wait for the much-heralded Swedish-made Gripen jet fighters to be commissioned, Royal Thai Air Force pilots are now itching to fly the new aircraft that will replace vintage F-5 fighters.

The Gripen, with the designated code of JAS-39 C/D, has technological advantages 30 years ahead of even the US-made F-16 fighters, the newest aircraft in the RTAF, according to Wing Cmdr Natthawut Duangsoongnern.

One of six pilots who underwent the basic flight course on the Gripen, Natthawut said: "The RTAF's addition of Gripen is a significant addition to air power in the region."

With full use of its support systems, including weaponry and air defence, Gripen is regarded as a fighter of the future, said Natthawut, who with five other pilots was selected from more than 20 with F-5 and F-16 flying experience.

Wing Cmdr Jakkrit Thammawichai is commander of Wing 701 in Surat Thani where the first six Gripen will be stationed. He said another six Gripen jets and their support systems would be handed to Thailand later.

Four of the fighters are two-seaters for training, while the other eight, the C model, are one-seaters.The RTAF purchase of Gripens provides not only the fighter jets, but also an entire support system that includes technology transfer and scholarship and supplementary training in advanced technology.

With real-time data links through encryption among all jets, the Gripen is superior to other fighters that have equivalent technology, meaning that the Gripen can fight or defeat enemy fighters at a ratio of one to four, or even one to eight.

"This well explains why we don't need to employ them in large numbers," he said.

Unlike deployment of mainly US-made fighters, in which technology regarding electronics warfare has been classified, Gripen offers open training including electronic countermeasures.

"This means we can stand on our own in terms of mastering difficult and advanced technologies. This is a great leap forward for the RTAF," he said.

The six pilots will train another four after they fully complete entire courses.



TheNation (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/02/23/national/Pilots-itching-to-fly-latest-Gripens-seen-as-a-new-30149300.html)



6 Gripen jets land, await official handover

* Published: 23/02/2011 at 12:00 AM

Six Gripen jet fighters have landed in Surat Thani where they will wait to be officially handed over by the Swedish manufacturer.

The fighters, flown by Swedish pilots, made a smooth touchdown on the runway of the Wing 7 air force base about 7.30pm yesterday after leaving Sweden on Feb 18 and stopping over in Hungary, Greece, Egypt and India en route to Thailand.

They are the first batch of 12 Gripen 39 C/D jet fighters that will replace the ageing F-5A/B jets. They will become the pride of the air force which was allocated almost 40 billion baht to acquire the state-of-the-art planes.

Air force commander Ittha**** Subhawong, who earlier said he wanted to conduct test flights of the planes, led executives of Gripen manufacturer, Saab, to welcome the six jets in Surat Thani yesterday.

Two air force pilots who have undergone training on the Gripens in Sweden flew with the six jets. However, they took the back seat in the planes commanded by Swedish pilots because the jets technically still belong to Sweden.

The jets will be inspected and officially handed over to the air force next month.

Thailand is the first country in Asean to own Gripen jets, said Gp Capt Putthipong Phonchiwin, who completed Gripen training and returned home earlier.

He said his experience with the fighter was unforgettable.

"The Gripen is very cool indeed. For me, it's the number one fighter," he said.

"It's different from the F5 jet I've flown before. It's like a sedan and a sports car. Thailand is the only country in Asean to operate the Gripen."

The jet can also be fitted with weapons which are now used on the US-made F16 jets, Gp Capt Putthipong said.

The air force is sending 10 more pilots to train on the aircraft as the other six jets are due to arrive in Thailand next year. Gp Capt Putthipong said F5 and F16 pilots were extremely keen to become Gripen pilots.

Bpost (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/223007/6-gripen-jets-land-await-official-handover)
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Year-End report for the Swedish military is out. Nothing surprising or interesting in terms of JAS 39. Flight hours for the SwAF Gripens stood at 12,777 I.E 99% of planned outtake and comparable to 2009. During the year IRIS-T, GBU-49 and Link 16 went operational. 6 additional LITENING Pods delivered.

ÅR10 (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/upload/dokumentfiler/%C3%85rsredovisningar/%C3%85rsredovisning%202010/Huvuddokument%20%C3%85R%2010.pdf)

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signatory
02-22-2011, 11:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJKXpqDFXmY


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http://www.fmv.se/upload/Grafik_pa_sidan/logo_fmv.gif

Delivery of Gripen fighter aircraft to Thailand

Publicerad: 2011-02-22 23:13

At a ceremony in Thailand February 22 FMV handed over six Gripen fighter aircrafts from the latest C- and D-version to the Royal Thai Air Force.

http://i.imgur.com/TrwUfdotjpg
Air Chief Marchall Ittha**** Suphawong from the Royal Thai Air Force welcomes the pilots and the six Gripen fighter aircrafts.

This completes the final delivery of the first phase of the integrated air defense system that Thailand procured.

Just before Christmas, FMV delivered the first parts of the air defense systems that Sweden and Thailand agreed on in 2008. And today FMV completed its commitment by delivering the six Gripen aircrafts. They arrived in Thailand after having flown from Sweden via Hungary, Crete, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman and India.

“We have now successfully delivered a complete air defense system. Swedish pilots and technicians will now help Thailand to start using the system”, said Arne Héden, head of Gripen Thailand at FMV.

The agreement of 2008 between FMV, as a representative of Sweden and Thailand, covers six Gripen aircraft (four Jas 39D and two Jas 39C) with associated equipment and services, a Saab 340 aircraft with airborne radar surveillance system, a Saab 340 for transport and education and an integrated Command and Control system with data links.

The agreement contains, in addition, an extensive logistical support, training for Thai pilots and technicians as well as simulators. Sweden will also help as advisors in Thailand during the introduction of the Gripen and the Erieye system in the Royal Thai Air Force.

The equipment, together with the commitment to train pilots and technicians as well as bilateral agreements for the development of advanced data link and transfer of technology, form a comprehensive solution.

http://i.imgur.com/y5XIldotjpg

In November 2010 FMV signed a new agreement with Thailand, which covers additional six Gripen fighters of the latest C version, along with a Saab 340 with Erieyeradar and the Swedish missile RB 15F. Delivery of the components will take place during 2012 and 2013.

As part of the contract, Sweden will transfer the latest technology in advanced military aircraft to Thailand. The purpose of this is through long-term partnership develop the aerospace and defense skills in Thailand. This will also serve as a base for industry in Thailand in terms of future development.

http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=5554

JohanGrön
02-23-2011, 06:44 AM
Year-End report for the Swedish military is out. Nothing surprising or interesting in terms of JAS 39. Flight hours for the SwAF Gripens stood at 12,777 I.E 99% of planned outtake and comparable to 2009. During the year IRIS-T, GBU-49 and Link 16 went operational. 6 additional LITENING Pods delivered.

ÅR10 (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/upload/dokumentfiler/%C3%85rsredovisningar/%C3%85rsredovisning%202010/Huvuddokument%20%C3%85R%2010.pdf)

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From the Year-End report :



28 st. Multifunctional Information Distribution System Low Volume Terminal (MIDS LVT terminaler) har mottagits. Med hjälp av dessa realiseras kommunikation med taktiskt datalänksystem Länk 16. Länk 16 kommer i första hand användas för stridsledning av Gripensystemet och utgör en förutsättning för interoperabilitet med andra nationer.



The new terminals (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/mids-lvt.htm) are using NATO cryptos to "talk to" Link-16 networks as I understand but are they at the same time seamlessly operational with the cryptos for the current data/fighter-link or are they mutually exclusive?

If they are able to operate at the same time, side by side in one aircraft, any plans for integration along the lines for the thai solution (sharing plots between Gripens current data link and Link-16) ? Are the thai's using Link-16 terminals in their F-16?



ACM Ittha**** said the US had allowed the Secos-link system on the Gripen fighters to link with the system of the US-made F16 fighters.
An air force source said permission was obtained after Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva raised the matter with US President Barack Obama during his visit to the US last month.
link (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/security/222825/new-era-for-air-force-with-modern-jets)

Secos = The thai version of the Gripen data link.

signatory
02-24-2011, 06:48 PM
Outtakes from the FMV 2010 report.



http://www.fmv.se/upload/Grafik_pa_sidan/logo_fmv.gif

Sharp Shooting with AMRAAM missile
In May, there was a shooting by an live charged-AMRAAM missile from the JAS 39 Gripen at the test site Vidsel. The shooting was part of a demonstration of India as a potential customer of the Gripen system. The shooting was witnessed by an Indian pilot from the rear of a JAS 39 Gripen.

The shooting was carried out in collaboration between air combat school and Norrbotten Wing F 21, A specific firing profile was developed in extensive work in close collaboration between the Armed Forces, FMV and missile manufacturer Raytheon. This was the first time a live loaded AMRAAM missile was tested over land in Europe.

Meteor missile from the JAS 39 Gripen
During the fall was the test site Vidsel hosted a launch of a meteor robot from the JAS 39 Gripen in Swedish service. It was the first test shots and it was a so-called "safe-separation" test. In this shot they wanted to verify the robot and aircraft in the separation phase. The robot flew as planned, and was suspended with FTS (Flight TerminationSystem) when it flew the planned route.

With Meteor JAS 39 Gripen receives a significantly increased ability to act against airborne targets at long distances with very high performance.

Air Refueling Tests with the JAS 39 Gripen
In June FMV conducted flight tests with the JAS 39 Gripen C / D to the U.S. Air Force tanker plane KC-135R.

A total of six test flights, with 33 connections between planes and tankers. The requirements for certification were met during the tests and FMV's work led to justification for the clearance of the U.S. tanker plane.

During the year a number of major projects completed and delivered completed. Notable is the development of RBS 23 Bamse missile system, acquisition UndE 23, protection package to combat 90, systems work MARKUS, Stridsbåt 1990 HS Series 1, adjustment program avionics / sensor JAS 39 Gripen, the modification of a Hercules transport aircraft 84 for air refueling, Ledsyst phase 3.

March
FMV puts order for the further development of the JAS 39 Gripen version C / D. Improvements in self-protection, a new light attack weapon and the capacity for data communications with ground units are examples of developed abilities.

Export
FMV conducted on behalf of the government until August 1, 2010 support activities to promote Swedish defense exports. With the establishment of the new Defence Export Authority (FXM) 1st August, responsibility for this activity to FXM.

Up to 1 August 2010, a large number of export-supporting activities undertaken. FMV has left support in campaigns to promote the JAS 39 Gripen in potential customer countries. During the year, activities were conducted in India, Bulgaria, Croatia, Switzerland, Brazil, Thailand and Malaysia. FMV has made resources available to satisfy certain countries wishes to implement acquisitions directly from the Swedish state, so-called Government-to-Government sales.

(Note: FXM is not equally good as FMV on its reporting. Only names regions where they gave support. No specific countries.)

FMV YE10 (http://www.fmv.se/upload/Bilder%20och%20dokument/Publikationer/Informationsmaterial/%C3%85rsredovisningar/FMV%20%C3%85R2010_%20****lig%20extern%2011FMV1951.pdf)




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signatory
02-25-2011, 08:00 AM
http://i.imgur.com/KYvH4dotjpg

Gripen News Thread (signs pact with the devil(?) and..) goes Twitter.

I plan on using the @GripenNews (http://twitter.com/GripenNews) account to point to selected news-posts of wider interest that has been made by either one of us in this thread. Hopefully to help spread the word on interesting stories.

So we'll see how this plays out.

Follow the Gripen News Thread On Twitter. (http://twitter.com/GripenNews)

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I don't know if this thing below can even count as news..

IDRW: (http://idrw.org/?p=2913) Sea Gripen will be ready for Indian Navy in no time: SAAB Official

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signatory
02-25-2011, 08:57 AM
New team of RTAF Pilots Begin Gripen Training In Sweden

http://i.imgur.com/Ea1P6dotjpg
Finding a suitable mask.

As six Swedish fighter jets were delivered to Thailand this week the RTAF sent over six new Thai fighter pilots to Sweden and F 7 Skaraborg wing for JAS 39C/D training.

For the next six months the Thai students, former F-16 pilots, will train on JAS 39C/D and simulators. Going through CT (conversion training) and CRT (combat readiness training) for tactical handling of onboard weapon systems.

This is the first Thai group to go directly into C/D aircraft.

SweMil [Swedish] (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Skaraborgs-flygflottilj-F-7/Nyheter/F-7-fortsatter-utbilda-thailandska-piloter/)

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GNT on Twitter (http://twitter.com/GripenNews)

jontew
02-25-2011, 12:51 PM
As six Swedish fighter jets were delivered to Thailand this week the RTAF sent over six new Thai fighter pilots to Sweden and F 7 Skaraborg wing for JAS 39C/D training.

Brings my geeky mind to other things! :D

Anyway, good idea with the twitter initiative! Will follow for sure!

signatory
02-26-2011, 08:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbGwukmfjQQ
(c) RTAF / nopmedia5


Timeline 2011-02-22: Air Chief Marshal Ittha**** Subhawong arrives in a F-5. Six Gripens (4D, 2C) land. Arrival ceremony. Press Interviews.

Backgrounder: Delivery of Gripen fighter aircraft to Thailand. (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=5554)

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http://i.imgur.com/Delow.gif (http://twitter.com/GripenNews)
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Thanks jontew, always nice to hear from you :)

Kunal Biswas
02-27-2011, 04:25 AM
About my Gripen experience: Shashank.

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Hello everyone. I am Shashank, the boy from Bangalore who co-piloted the Gripen at Aero India 2011, It all began, when I was taken to the air show in 1996. I was just 7 years old. I was moving around wonderstruck with my father Ramesh. Since then, I got really addicted to aircraft and their working. As I grew up I started reading a lot on aviation. Prior to Aero India 2011, I came to know about the contest to ‘Fly the Gripen’ conducted by SAAB.Once I cleared all the hurdles and was declared the winner of this contest, I had to decide whether to appear for the GATE exam or co-pilot the Gripen. I thought and thought and realized that this could be a once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity. So I GATE-crashed and chose the cockpit!
On Sunday, February 13 (the last day of Aero India 2011), it was already time for me to leave for the Yelahanka AF Station. I prayed to God to provide me strength. I prayed God to give me the energy to handle the G-force!
I took the blessings from my grandmother before leaving for the AF Station along with my parents and my sister. My granny said that I would do well and she is very proud of me. I could see my mother getting bit emotional. Honestly, I was not scared. I was not nervous. Remember I had never flown before, not even in a civil airplane. This was my first flight.
At the SAAB Stall, we were treated well by the Swedish delegates. I met Robin Nordlander -- the chief Test pilot who flew me in the Gripen. I also met Fredrik Muchler -- another Test pilot. I was briefed by Robin Nordlander about the flight. Later, I was kitted out in a G-suit and a life vest. Finding an appropriate oxygen mask took some time... I must really thank the person who kitted me out. (I forgot his name!). Hats-off to his patience. Everybody was very friendly with me and my family.
Finally, at 12.10 in the Noon, we started walking towards the JAS-39D bearing the number 829 that was parked next to a Tejas and a Sukhoi-30 MKI. After getting on to the rear seat, the pilot hopped on to the front seat and closed the canopy. It was a tense moment for my mother Meera. I could see my sister -- Shobhita -- a journalism student -- cheering me up.
The pilot then asked for a taxi clearance to Runway 9 and then we were cleared for the same. While we were taxiing the pilot told me turn on OBOGS (On-Board Oxygen Generation System). I turned it on and pressed the "test" button to test the functioning of OBOGS which inflated the G-suit momentarily. Then I wore the oxygen mask. Robin also commanded me to change the ejection seat mode from "safe" to "arm". The pilot then held the jet short of Runway 9 requesting Yelahanka ATC for a take-off clearance. Once the clearance was given from the tower, Robin steered the aircraft to the runway applied brakes and stopped. I looked to my right and saw the crowd who were watching the air show. It was a very happy feeling for me as I belonged to that crowd during the previous air show and this time, I'm already in flying a fighter!
Robin gave a full afterburner thrust. I couldn't hear anything, but felt the vibration. During the take-off, I was pushed against the seat and I felt a bit dizzy because of the heavy acceleration. Soon everything was normal and the ATC gave us the clearance to climb up to 6,000-ft and later 15,000- ft. Robin demonstrated some S-turns to me. He then gave me the stick controls while he was still controlling the throttle. I performed some 2.5-3 G turns. It was a very good feeling. At just 1.5-1.6 G, one would feel very heavy. At 2.5-3G one would be pushed against the seat and Robin told me that we pulled a maximum of 5G. "In Sweden, we usually fly above 5,000-ft -- or else the people below us would curse us for noise pollution,” Robin said.
Later, Robin took back the controls and asked me: “Can I show you something?" I told him to go ahead. He brought the engine to idle and extended the airbrakes which I was able to see from the overhead mirror. The airspeed dropped to 150kts and he sustained the aircraft at that speed. He then increased the engine throttle to afterburner and then accelerated the plane to 500kts.But I didn't feel dizzy his time! Robin then contacted with the pilots of SAAB 2000 and the SAAB 340 for a formation over Yelahanka AF Station.
The touchdown was very smooth and the landing run was there for a very less distance. We taxied to parking and Robin gave me a command to turn the OBOGS off and to change the ejection seat mode from "arm" to "safe". We got down from the aircraft and we walked towards the SAAB pilots' room. I was awarded a certificate of associate membership of the Gripen team by Fredrik Muchler. It was a memorable event.


More: http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2011/02/i-took-my-grandams-blessings-before-co.html

Skyman
02-28-2011, 07:41 AM
Some photo from the delivery day at Wing7, Thailand.

RTAF Commander-in-chief fly to Wing7 on F-5
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7924/55515313dotjpg

All Gripen landed around 19.30.

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Parking

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Pilot

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Swedish insignia on the jet.

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Some more photos of the Erieye in the hangar.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9533/erieye6dotjpg

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7254/erieye9dotjpg

signatory
02-28-2011, 09:27 AM
@Skyman, Good photos! Now just tell Sukasom to come post here too p-)
@Kunal Biswas, Cool story. Nice to see ordinary guys get a chance.

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Five years in Hungary

HuAF launched 12 of its 14 Gripens on February 22 to make a note of the five year anniversary (First Gripens landed 2006-03-20).

http://i.imgur.com/AkOAFdotjpg
Photo: Gyurákovics László

MH59.hu Photos and Video. (http://www.mh59.hu/rovatok/hu/hirek/ot_eves_a_gripen_program/)

mig29ovt
02-28-2011, 11:55 AM
why does the thai photos have the date 22-02-2554?

signatory
02-28-2011, 12:06 PM
why does the thai photos have the date 22-02-2554?

Thai buddist calendre.. just different start point.

signatory
03-01-2011, 09:50 AM
Armed Forces Budget Proposition 2012 - Focus: JAS 39 planning

Note: Post might / will get updated.

Current Long term Position:


Continued commitment to R&D of current and future generation Gripens.

More time required to define a configuration for SwAF induction 2020+ should either Brazil/India not partner up for Gripen NG.

Recommendations on future JAS 39 due in 1 years time.


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Google-translated (adjusted):

http://i.imgur.com/sqsVy.gif

Budget Proposition 2012
Headquarters
February 28, 2011 (Released March 1)

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Period 2012-2014:
Capacity for reconnaissance against the land-and air-and sea-arena, and to transfer information to other entities is maintained in the fighter system. Combat Aviation's ability to operate in darkness and all-weather is developed. Concepts for Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance (ISR) is being developed with a focus on Time Sensitive Targeting (TST) including integration with strike process.

The ability for operative effect is maintained and developed by a enhanced ability to influence targets in the air over long distances is introduced on the JAS 39. [note: METEOR]. The ability to influence targets on the ground with gradual effect, during all-weather situations and with increasing distance between the target and platform is added during the period with the introduction of the Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) in the JAS 39.

The capacity to swing role is improved further to utilize the JAS 39 operational potential. Video link between the pilot and Forward Air Controller (FAC) is introduced on the JAS 39 to improve the ability to affect targets on the ground.

The ability to influence sea targets is maintained. An investigation of new anti-ship missile is carried out, as the Rb 15 lifetime ends shortly after the period.

The capacity for protection is maintained and developed by strenghtened self-protection on the JAS 39.

Fighter System
The Armed Forces have implemented a work in order to lay the foundations for a position regarding maintaining and further development of fighter aircraft systems JAS 39 Gripen in the period from 2012 to at least 2040.

The work was done on the basis of an overall picture of various options to development, regulatory and dimensioned threat picture, the Armed Forces long-term economy and the recent decision mode.

Armed Forces can conclude that the agency now has modern air force units where the final delivery of the JAS 39 C / D in accordance with the Government's decision on Action Plan JAS 39 Gripen, is ongoing.

Armed Forces continue to believe that current and future global development, including technological development, demands a more extensive capability upgrade of warplanes for the period 2020-2030 in order to maintain sufficient operational capacity.

The Armed Forces want to further clarify the importance of having continued free hands to operate, maintain and further develop the JAS 39 Gripen until at least 2040. The Armed Forces plans to conduct further work aimed at deepening decision-making.

With regard to reports that requires a government permit request is specifically within the context of assigned authority. The Armed Forces plan to come back in the budget proposal for 2013 on future development of the air combat system.

In addition, the Armed Forces, in accordance with the Authority's budget proposal for 2011, will during 2011 recommend an order to further develop the JAS 39 C/D to ensure that the system must be operationally relevant for the duration of the JAS 39 C / D operative time, pending the coming decision on a higher capability upgrade.

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Sources:
Swedish Armed Forces BP12 Doc.1 (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/upload/dokumentfiler/Budgetunderlag/Budgetunderlag%202012/HKV%202011-02-28%2023%20383.53426%20Bilaga%201%20FM%20BU%2012.pdf) [Swedish text]
Swedish Armed Forces BP12 Doc.2 (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/upload/dokumentfiler/Budgetunderlag/Budgetunderlag%202012/HKV%202011-02-28%2023%20383.53426%20Missiv%20FM%20BU%2012.pdf) [Swedish text]
Defence Minister Sten Tolgfors (http://tolgfors.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/framtidssakring-av-flygvapnet/)[Swedish text]

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Leaper
03-01-2011, 09:52 AM
Great...let's spend more money on that f-n plane...........................

Slenke
03-01-2011, 10:15 AM
Great...let's spend more money on that f-n plane...........................
Well, there aren't many realistic alternitives.

signatory
03-02-2011, 07:35 AM
March Calendar

Gripen fighter pilot Major Catherine Labuschagne of the South African Airforce.

http://i.imgur.com/DHjO8dotjpg

Get Calendar months at Saab [Select PDF] (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-Calendar-2011/)

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More smoke from Aero India 2011.

http://i.imgur.com/rFgPAdotjpg

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TP 84T Goes Tactical

http://i.imgur.com/Fvxbjdotjpg

Also mentioned in the Swedish armed forces 2012 budget proposal was the addition of TP 84T (C-130 H2) as a tactical asset in the period 2012-2014.

Today the tanker aircraft is used only for training of Swedish Gripen pilots.

Worth to mention is also a December 2010 ACM meeting with the Finnish Armed forces where several points of collaboration were explored. Including getting the Finnish F-18 aircraft to use the Swedish tanker for exercises. So hopefully we could see the current cross-border training expanded to also involve joint aerial refueling for more time in the air.

Source (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/upload/dokumentfiler/Budgetunderlag/Budgetunderlag%202012/HKV%202011-02-28%2023%20383.53426%20Bilaga%201%20FM%20BU%2012.pdf)

Leaper
03-02-2011, 07:37 AM
Well, there aren't many realistic alternitives.

Let's just leave it at where it is. Our Military needs alot of new stuff

Natter
03-03-2011, 04:43 PM
I strongly believe that the evolution of the NG will slow down now. Brazil heading into the fog. India being, well, India.Switzerland not knowing where to go and Swedish MoD needing more time (or more correctly not wanting to commit any substantial funding prematurely).

A guess would be that the next demo aircraft take off in, say, mid to late 2014, early 2015? That is if not India or any other player commits to the project and therefore pour fuel into the industrial engine.


This might actually be a good thing leading to a more mature fighter where the current demo will get more development time and flight hours while others systems such as the radar paces along.

kme
03-03-2011, 05:52 PM
I strongly believe that the evolution of the NG will slow down now....

A guess would be that the next demo aircraft take off in, say, mid to late 2014, early 2015? That is if not India or any other player commits to the project and therefore pour fuel into the industrial engine.You may be right, but I don't hope so as it will leave doubt about the Swedish goverment's support to JAS-39 E/F. It would make sense to skip the A -> C and B -> D running upgrades and go ahead to upgrade to E/F directly. Not for the entire fleet, just a high single digit number to proof commitment. It won't be *that* expensive and what is good for SAAB is good for Sweden.

pysen
03-04-2011, 12:24 PM
A guess would be that the next demo aircraft take off in, say, mid to late 2014, early 2015?

How about in a few weeks?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUKPSrb4YlI (at 20 sec into the video). Will be interesting to see what the speaker is actually refering to.

Natter
03-04-2011, 01:14 PM
......................Will be interesting to see what the speaker is actually refering to.

The first demo aircraft, 39-7.

signatory
03-04-2011, 01:49 PM
^^ Yeah. SAAB switching into marketing mode again. Too bad they can't fix their aweful websites while they are at it. Parts production for real NG-airframes were according to the T-1 consortium supposed to begin this month although it is quite difficult to look into these 'unofficial' SAAB-projects. To me it's pretty obvious what the Swedish military wants, or don't want. The budget prop made it even more obvious. Unfortunately we have politicians to think about too.

Kindly continue the discussion here (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?136897-Gripen-Discussion-thread) if there's an itch to go on a rant, I am atm saving myself for some politicans..

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Saab signs Gripen agreement with FMV
03/03/2011

3 March 2011, in Press Release

Defence and security company Saab has received an order from FMV (the Swedish Defence Material Administration) regarding the Gripen system for the continuous upkeep of its operative capability. The order is worth MSEK 120.
The order includes technical support, product maintenance, flight test and simulators to ensure the operative capability of the Gripen system. The work will be done during the second quarter of 2011, mainly at Saab facilities in Linköping, Arboga, Gothenburg and Järfälla.

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/Saab-signs-Gripen-agreement-with-FMV/)

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http://i.imgur.com/Delow.gif (http://twitter.com/GripenNews)

signatory
03-05-2011, 02:27 PM
MMRCA Shortlist to Be Announced In April

Mar 4, 2011

By Neelam Mathews mathews.neelam@gmail.com
NEW DELHI

The shortlist for the six contenders for India’s Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program is to be announced in the first week of April.

Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik had declared at Aero India on Feb. 10 that he was optimistic that price negotiations would start within a few weeks and a deal could be signed by September, “provided dissatisfied vendors do not put a spoke in the wheel and delay proceedings.”

Aviation Week has learned that two or three vendors will be asked to submit their offset proposals within six months. The defense ministry will negotiate offsets with the down-selected companies only. Recently, the ministry asked all MMRCA vendors to hold back on presenting their offset proposals.


Aviation Week (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=AviationWeek.com&id=news/awx/2011/03/04/awx_03_04_2011_p0-294027.xml&headline=MMRCA%20Shortlist%20to%20Be%20Announced%20In%20April)




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Whatever happens I hope it ends soon.

Kunal Biswas
03-05-2011, 03:13 PM
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Whatever happens I hope it ends soon.


Thanks for the News, Lets hope for the best...

kme
03-05-2011, 09:41 PM
signatory, any chance that you or someone else can update the production number for JAS-39 on wikipedia. They still state a 2008 figure.

EDIT: Ok there is conflicting information on wikipedia: The main text claims "A total of 236 Gripens have been ordered as of 2008." but the fact box claims:"Number built 219 as of 2010" This is a mess. Who ordered 17 JAS-39 prior to 2008 and haven't got them? Not the Thai - that only accounts for six planes. The South African planes was delivered by 2010.

signatory
03-06-2011, 04:30 AM
signatory, any chance that you or someone else can update the production number for JAS-39 on wikipedia. They still state a 2008 figure.

EDIT: Ok there is conflicting information on wikipedia: The main text claims "A total of 236 Gripens have been ordered as of 2008." but the fact box claims:"Number built 219 as of 2010" This is a mess. Who ordered 17 JAS-39 prior to 2008 and haven't got them? Not the Thai - that only accounts for six planes. The South African planes was delivered by 2010.

SAAF has 10 or 11 still to be delivered (final delivery in 2012) and the SwAF has about 2 dozen from the A-C REMO to receive. BTW.. conflicting information on wikipedia? Surely not! rofl

kme
03-06-2011, 05:43 AM
SAAF has 10 or 11 still to be delivered (final delivery in 2012) and the SwAF has about 2 dozen from the A-C REMO to receive. BTW.. conflicting information on wikipedia? Surely not! rofl Oh - I completely forgot the SAAF backlog. Those and the newly delivered six Thailand planes makes the numbers add up. Except for the new six Thai ordered...

Wikipedia never becomes any better than we the users makes it, and I've just demonstrated that I'm not competent to correct it :oops:

Giorgi001
03-06-2011, 09:28 AM
signatory

I was wondering, if you could answer me to this question.

This two documents have the same numbers, but i could not find this page in this PDF file.

Why?

http://a.pix.ge/h/3ga6vdotjpg
http://www2.foi.se/rapp/foir0338.pdf


Thank you!

signatory
03-06-2011, 09:41 AM
signatory

I was wondering, if you could answer me to this question.

This two documents have the same numbers, but i could not find this page in this PDF file.

Why?

http://a.pix.ge/h/3ga6vdotjpg
http://www2.foi.se/rapp/foir0338.pdf

Thank you!

Says abstract... you will find it on page 48 in that pdf. And the English header is just a summary since the report is in Swedish. Here's the webpage (http://www.foi.se/FOI/templates/PublicationPage____171.aspx?qu=V%C3%A4rdering%20av%20n%C3%A4tverksorienterad%20krigf%C3%B6ring%20&au=&yr=&fomr=&sort=ar%20DES).

Giorgi001
03-06-2011, 11:55 AM
Says abstract... you will find it on page 48 in that pdf. And the English header is just a summary since the report is in Swedish. Here's the
I was interested because, I could not find in this PDF file that scan, wich indicates that FOI successfully completed research of reducing RCS of JAS-39C Gripen.
Do you know, where I can find that document with this scaned information?

signatory
03-06-2011, 04:36 PM
I was interested because, I could not find in this PDF file that scan, wich indicates that FOI successfully completed research of reducing RCS of JAS-39C Gripen.
Do you know, where I can find that document with this scaned information?

No I don't know really what you're talking about. SAAB design, other entities support research and testing but nothing that will be release as public info. This particular FOI report you linked to is a method study on NCW and they used that general rcs value for (39A/B) Gripens for their simulations.

Saab has in marketing used the info below, also in line with that FOI info.


• radar cross section is “less than one-tenth” that of an F-16;

AINOnline:Singapore Air Show >> February 2006 (http://www.ainonline.com/airshow-convention-news/singapore-air-show/single-publication-story/browse/0/article/gripen-dealing-for-thailands-fighter-contract-4420/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[story_pointer]=4&tx_ttnews[mode]=1)


Another FOI report (http://www2.foi.se/rapp/foir1646.pdf)looked at fatigue testing of JAS 39D and on page 12 they say testing were done to verify among things RCS reductions on that new airframe.

More recently, Jane's had some general talk in an article (http://www.janes.com/advertising/pdf/IDR_sample_issue.pdf)on this issue for Gripen NG if that can be interesting.

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Effort will also be expended on reducing
the aircraft’s radar cross section (RCS)
through modifications to the air-intakes and
wing leading edge and the use of composite
materials and new surface coatings.

RCS reduction measures are not new to
the Gripen programme. “From the very
start we have worked with this issue,” explains
Lehander. “After the latest changes
we have made, [reducing RCS] is nothing
more to do with the aircraft, it is the weapons.”

As a result of this realisation, further
work on this aspect of the Gripen NG’s design
has included the possibility of installing
weapons within conformal fuel tanks in
a similar way to that proposed by Boeing as
part of the proposed ‘Silent Eagle’ variant of
the F-15.

The issue of RCS reduction for the aircraft’s
stores will also be helped by the
new weaponry employed by the Gripen NG
such as the clearance of the MBDA Meteor
beyond visual range (BVR) and Diehl
IRIS-T within visual range (WVR) air-to-air
missiles. “AMRAAMs [advanced mediumrange
air-to-air missiles are] not very good
RCS wise, whereas the new missiles have
RCS thinking behind them,” Lt Col Nilsson
points out. New weapons pylons are also
planned as part of this effort, “the survivability
and RCS area is continuous work”,
adds Lt Col Nilsson

Giorgi001
03-07-2011, 03:54 AM
signatory

Thank you for so hard job/providing information and link for them.

According to some of the russian websites, the SwAF form 2003 delivered 3-rd part of JAS-39, model "C", so for this time the FOI alraedy successfully completed recsearching of reducing RCS and I can assume that this result of reducing the RCS could be used/implemented in "C" models.
I hope, Gripen NG has RCS smaller then JAS-39C model.


No I don't know really what you're talking about.
I am talking about this scaned copy http://a.pix.ge/h/3ga6vdotjpg
I found the pdf document with the same number/year of issue, but there is no the page with this scaned information.
I am interested, why?

signatory
03-07-2011, 05:17 AM
I am talking about this scaned copy http://a.pix.ge/h/3ga6vdotjpg
I found the pdf document with the same number/year of issue, but there is no the page with this scaned information.
I am interested, why?

It's not scanned so you wont find that page no. Abstract + reference page stitched together to a jpg.

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FXM and SAAB will present Gripen RFI offer to Bulgaria on March 9

Giorgi001
03-07-2011, 01:02 PM
Abstract + reference page stitched together to a jpg.
Thank you.

signatory
03-09-2011, 05:56 PM
http://i.imgur.com/DEuQD.gif

Sweden Offers Bulgaria to Buy Gripen Fighters

9 March 2011 / 18:24
March 9 (BTA) - The Swedish Government, represented by the Swedish Defence and Security Export Agency (FXM), handed the Bulgarian Defence Ministry a reply to an official inquiry regarding the purchase of new fighters for the Bulgarian Air Force, representatives of FXM and SAAB told a news conference.

The Swedish proposal, presented at a news conference on Wednesday, involves the sale of eight new NATO-compatible multi-target fighters, Gripen, that could be used for over 30 years.

source (http://newsweb.bta.bg/en/c/ES/id/66448)

Src bg (http://darikfinance.bg/novini/50795/%D8%E2%E5%F6%E8%FF+%ED%E8+%EE%F2%E3%EE%E2%EE%F0%E8+%E7%E0+%E8%E7%F1%F2%F0%E5%E1%E8%F2%E5%EB%E8%F2%E5+Gripen)

(Flashback: Gripen News Thread 08-23-2006. Gripen responds to Bulgarian fighter requirements (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?84527-Gripen-News-Thread&p=1872038&viewfull=1#post1872038) ... )

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BRIEF: FXM Answer Czech RFI

Yup.

source (http://zpravy.idnes.cz/svedsko-poslalo-letouny-gripen-do-hry-o-nove-ceske-stihacky-pqv-/domaci.asp?c=A110308_144718_domaci_jw)

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http://i.imgur.com/Delow.gif (http://twitter.com/GripenNews)

signatory
03-13-2011, 07:13 PM
MMRCA rumour time.

US diplomatic activity has increased quite a bit in recent weeks. With more to come.




US friendship faces ‘St Antony’ test
Monday , March 14 , 2011 |

Signals from the defence ministry in recent weeks are that Sweden’s Saab JAS 39 Gripen and France’s Dassault Rafale have an edge in the Indian selection process at this stage of the MMRCA deal.

The Telegraph India (http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110314/jsp/nation/story_13711279.jsp)

Dankster
03-14-2011, 03:27 PM
SAAF has 10 or 11 still to be delivered (final delivery in 2012) and the SwAF has about 2 dozen from the A-C REMO to receive. BTW.. conflicting information on wikipedia? Surely not! rofl

BTW, how many Gripens does the Swedish Air Force have in total? Weren't they going to downsize the fleet to ~100?

signatory
03-14-2011, 04:37 PM
BTW, how many Gripens does the Swedish Air Force have in total? Weren't they going to downsize the fleet to ~100?

Yeah downsizing and upgrade to ~100 x C/D fleet in process... will be done to 2014. The fleet might actually go below that number for a moment because A/B is now decommisioned faster than C/D is being delivered. I haven't done a count in some time but might be at 110-120 or so now.

Dankster
03-14-2011, 04:42 PM
That seems like a waste. Even the earlier model Gripens should still be useful

signatory
03-14-2011, 05:17 PM
That seems like a waste. Even the earlier model Gripens should still be useful

Well they retire a few years too early that is true.. after 2020 they would have possibly been replaced by Gripen G/H under previous defence planning (and C/D would have been upgraded to E/F). Instead parts from them are now used to build lower-cost C/D jets with 0 hour airframes that will be used to 2025 or so (+ lower cost C/Ds offered on export). They also lower spare parts costs on the remaining fleet.

Political decisions and export ambitions has been and continue to be a nuisance for the SwAF... if politicians get what they want a number of C/D jets will not grow too old either.