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Slenke
03-21-2011, 05:09 PM
I tried to find a picture of this but I failed, have you ever seen any? Perhaps I should clarify that I mean the C/D version.
http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/jakt/124jas39/124-JAS39-6-39207-with-GBU-RecceLiteKustvik-700x423pxdotjpg

signatory
03-21-2011, 05:25 PM
^^ GBU-16

http://i.imgur.com/CJ7TKdotjpg

^^ GBU-12

Slenke
03-21-2011, 05:28 PM
^^ GBU-16


^^ GBU-12
Yeah you're right, kind of tired =)

Isn't there like a "dual-rail" so it could carry two on the same pylon? Or is that only for the NG?

signatory
03-21-2011, 05:43 PM
Yeah you're right, kind of tired =)

Isn't there like a "dual-rail" so it could carry two on the same pylon? Or is that only for the NG?

Yea South Africa use twin store carriers on their Gripens but for typical reasons Sweden has so far decided not to buy them..

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Couple of news-articles here:

Swedish house backs Libya involvement (http://www.thelocal.se/32734/20110321/)

Swedish Gripen fighters on Libya standby (http://www.thelocal.se/32718/20110321/)

katjing
03-21-2011, 06:01 PM
Thanks guys. It seems to me we could, hypothetically, be seeing Gripens with 3 fuel tanks and two bombs over Libya?

signatory
03-22-2011, 03:08 AM
Thanks guys. It seems to me we could, hypothetically, be seeing Gripens with 3 fuel tanks and two bombs over Libya?

Unlikely and would also require 2 NATO wing-pylons which is hypothetically possible to do but not that likely right now.. again, maybe we need to borrow the Hungarian jets.

Btw, one other loadout tried out in the past was the assymetrical one used at Red Flag Alaska.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3809/alaskad3jm2dotjpg

signatory
03-22-2011, 11:50 AM
Baltic Regional Training Event.

http://i.imgur.com/FMiWwdotjpg

In the exercise SwAF Gripens had to intercept a LAF C-27. The significance of this training is verifying handover procedures from NATO to Sweden for Baltic Air Policing.

Said to have gone perfectly.

forsvarsmakten.se (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Blekinge-flygflottilj-F-17/Nyheter/Flyget-ovade-overlamning-i-luften/)

signatory
03-22-2011, 01:44 PM
http://www.volvoaero.com/SiteCollectionImages/VAC/headerLogo_Aero.gif
3/22/2011
Gripen passes 150 000 flight hours-Volvo Aero's engine is the world's safest

by Corporate Communications, Volvo Aero

Gripen aircraft have now flown a total of over 150 000 flight hours. It is noteworthy that not a single Gripen aircraft has suffered an engine-related failure or serious incident during these 150 000 hours. This is unique among the world’s Air Forces.

Saab’s test team has kept a close eye on every flight hour that the Gripen has made since its maiden flight. Similar monitoring has been carried out by the Swedish Air Force and Gripen customers in Hungary, the Czech Republic, pilot training in Great Britain and in South Africa.

It could therefore be seen with a degree of certainty when the 150 000th flight hour was reached recently.

At Volvo Aero, the company can proudly state that the first 150 000 flight hours were achieved without a single engine-related failure or incident. This is the result of a very focused and proactive way of working, in close cooperation with the Swedish Defence Material Administration (FMV) and the Swedish Air Force.

”I believe that this will be a difficult record to beat in a single-engine application,” says Rune Hyrefeldt, Manager of Military Program Management at Volvo Aero.

The Gripen is powered by the RM12 engine which is based on the General Electric F404 and adapted by Volvo Aero and GE engineers in the 1980s to meet the Gripen’s requirements. Since then, Volvo Aero has worked continuously to reduce cost of ownership and increase safety:

* Among other things, the company has developed a FADEC digital engine control system that optimises operation, enables reduced fuel consumption and is used for fault diagnosis.
* Volvo Aero has designed a new air intake for the RM12 which has led to reduced costs and higher reliability. Previously, the engine needed to be inspected every 50 flight hours. Now this inspection is carried out during routine servicing.
* Volvo Aero has also designed a new type of flame holder that significantly reduces operating costs and increases reliability. The new flame holder does not need to be replaced as often as its predecessor and can be changed much more quickly and economically.

”The first 150 000 flight hours with the RM12 have shown that the engine comfortably meets FMV and Swedish Air Force requirements in terms of operating cost, reliability and operational capability,” says Rune Hyrefeldt.

Volvo Aero recently signed a contract with FMV covering maintenance, spare parts supply and product support on the RM12 for Gripen aircraft in Sweden, Hungary and the Czech Republic. A product support agreement for the RM12 was also signed with South Africa last autumn.

Sten Tolgfors, Swedish Minister for Defence, is visiting Volvo Aero tomorrow (Wednesday) and will be able to take part in celebrating this important milestone for the RM12.

The Minister for Defence is visiting Volvo Aero to learn about an offer that Volvo Aero made to the armed forces earlier this year relating to meeting future capability requirements by adapting existing Gripen engines.

”We can offer a flexible adaptation wherein existing engines are developed to meet new requirements when needed. The visit from the Minister for Defence gives us the opportunity to show how we can improve engine performance by using components that were not available when the engine was originally developed, and to answer any questions he may have,” says Martin Wänblom, Senior Vice-President for Marketing and Sales at Volvo Aero.


VA (http://www.volvoaero.com/volvoaero/global/en-gb/newsmedia/press_releases/_layouts/CWP.Internet.VolvoCom/NewsItem.aspx?News.ItemId=99171&News.Language=en-gb)

Breerman
03-23-2011, 04:46 AM
Signatory do you reckon there is a sigint threat if Gripen were to employed in Libya? I figure there are a few things that are kept under wraps for combat service.

signatory
03-23-2011, 09:41 AM
RTAF Photos from that March 15 flight

First Thai operated sortie over Thailand.

http://i.imgur.com/Nih2mdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/S5xoQdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/lf3hidotjpg

All photos (c) RTAF.

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@Breerman, nothing too dramatic compared to normal biz.. I suppose that depends on how they would use the jet in the end but I can't directly now see any reason why they would need to flip the switch on frequencies for instance.

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jochen
03-23-2011, 09:59 AM
RTAF Photos from that March 15 flight

First Thai operated sortie over Thailand.

http://i.imgur.com/Nih2mdotjpg


All photos (c) RTAF.

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The emblem is changed :P

Skyman
03-23-2011, 09:20 PM
More photo from the first flight.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7394/gripenfly1dotjpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6180/gripenfly2dotjpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/430/gripenfly3dotjpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8650/gripenfly4dotjpg

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7016/gripenfly5dotjpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5593/gripenfly6dotjpg

http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/3032/gripenfly7dotjpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3464/gripenfly8dotjpg

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/440/gripenfly9dotjpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/561/gripenfly10dotjpg

Breerman
03-28-2011, 11:02 AM
Unlikely and would also require 2 NATO wing-pylons which is hypothetically possible to do but not that likely right now.. again, maybe we need to borrow the Hungarian jets.

Btw, one other loadout tried out in the past was the assymetrical one used at Red Flag Alaska.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3809/alaskad3jm2dotjpg
Cheers for the previous replies. Would it be feasible to have a typical A2A loadout with two droptanks and then carry a GBU centerline?

signatory
03-28-2011, 11:51 AM
Cheers for the previous replies. Would it be feasible to have a typical A2A loadout with two droptanks and then carry a GBU centerline?

If old info is still correct, not atm since our centerline is not wired up for smart bombs, same issue with most F-16's that have not wired up their inner wing-stores for GBU's (they carry fuel there) but it's an implementable option on both aircraft.

It is possible to add another NATO wing-pylon though for 2 GBU's, delivery of such pylons has been slow so far but if needed things can be pooled together and kitted up.

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BTW, Getting some nice followers on the Twitter thing (http://twitter.com/#!/GripenNews). Thanks to all of you if I forget to say so.

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28/03/2011
IAF won''t accept any last minute offers from contenders

New Delhi, Mar 28 (PTI) The Indian Air Force has decided against accepting any last minute offers from the contenders of the multi-billion dollar deal for purchase of 126 fighter aircraft even as it rejected a bidder''s proposal to equip its warplanes with a more powerful jet engine.

"No offers for upgrades or changes in the original bid submitted by the six aircraft companies would be allowed as their aircraft have been judged on the basis of capabilities offered in the original bid and their performance in the field trials," IAF sources said here.

Six companies -- Lockheed Martin (F-16), Boeing (F/A-18 E/F), Dassault Aviation (Rafale), Saab Gripen, Rosoboronexport MiG 35 and EADS Eurofighter Typhoon are contenders in the USD 11 billion dollar contract of the IAF for procuring 126 Medium-Multirole Combat Aircraft (M-MRCA).

"One defence firm had proposed to equip its aircraft with a more powerful engine along with a host of other capabilities but it was rejected as the aircraft has already undergone trials and we can''t allow firms to make last minute offers," they added.

Though the IAF has accepted some of the futuristic capabilities offered by the companies but they were proposed in the original bid itself by the respective companies, they said.

source (http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5086345)

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@Skyman, Thanks! Great set.

signatory
03-29-2011, 06:33 AM
According to news agency TT the Swedish gov adopted a proposition today on sending among things up to 8 Gripen jets to Libya.

Said to be restricted from doing ground attacks.

We shall see.

Press conf 2.30pm CET (2h from now).

Hardguy80
03-29-2011, 06:49 AM
According to news agency TT the Swedish gov adopted a proposition today on sending among things up to 8 Gripen jets to Libya.

Said to be restricted from doing ground attacks.

That's sooo typical swedish ;-(
No risk-taking what so ever from the swedish politicians..


Anyway, we will probably see the gripens deployed in a few days.. And that is a good thing!
Don't see the point in sending eight fighter with no air-to-ground capacity* but since NATO asked us for help...

*They do have the capacity and traing to deliver bombs but the Swedish gouvernment will not win the next election if libyan civilian citizens are killed by misstake!

Hardguy80
03-29-2011, 06:52 AM
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article12799933.ab

http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/gripenplan-till-libyen_6048201.svd

signatory
03-29-2011, 07:41 AM
That's sooo typical swedish ;-(
No risk-taking what so ever from the swedish politicians..


Anyway, we will probably see the gripens deployed in a few days.. And that is a good thing!
Don't see the point in sending eight fighter with no air-to-ground capacity* but since NATO asked us for help...

*They do have the capacity and traing to deliver bombs but the Swedish gouvernment will not win the next election if libyan civilian citizens are killed by misstake!

Yeah the Prime Minister just said agreement with Social Dems = No A2G... reaching a quick agreeement = quick deployment.

I don't think the gov was too worried about A2G, they wanted it, Foreign Minister Bildt wrote a blog entry last night on how important they were for instance. But got to have a agreement with the Social dems and they have a whole other history, NATO scepticism and relationship with arab world. etc. I don't think the press release NATO sent out on Sunday helped either.

It's something anyway. SwAF might as well fly there than here. And I am sure the air force will learn alot.

Means up to 8 Gripens and the tanker aircraft will be sent.

Source (http://svt.se/2.22620/1.2375557/gripenplan_till_libyen)

katjing
03-29-2011, 08:28 AM
*They do have the capacity and traing to deliver bombs but the Swedish gouvernment will not win the next election if libyan civilian citizens are killed by misstake!
On the contrary I don't think half-assing wins elections.

The general problem with Swedish politicians is the same as with the teachers, no one with half a wit want's to become one. So now we're stuck and without options, but in theory I think some new bold blood would go far.



It's something anyway. SwAF might as well fly there than here. And I am sure the air force will learn alot.
True that, and we're heading in the right direction. You've got to crawl before you can make inverted strafing runs on Libyan convoys.

RSone
03-29-2011, 09:26 AM
Any news on if the SWAF det will be operating with the RNLAF wing already at Decimomannu? The RNLAF is already enforcing the NFZ with essentially the same setup: 6 F-16's and a KDC-10. Our F-16's are not supposed to carry out A2G sorties either(in fact no A2G ordnancewas taken along to Italy) but they are carrying LITENING and Reccelite if the news is to be believed(said they could also be deployed to gather intel on ground forces)

jontew
03-29-2011, 11:42 AM
For further discussions please continue here: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?136897-Gripen-Discussion-thread

signatory
04-02-2011, 11:40 AM
http://i.imgur.com/3Y4PFdotjpg

Right now sitting on Sigonella AFB, Sicily but the Gripens may yet change to another place. The bulk of the force and equipment will be sent tomorrow.

LOTS of misinformation and cr4p from SwAF and media atm.. getting tiring.

http://i.imgur.com/4yVTEdotjpg

Swedish Gripen jets leave base

The first three Swedish JAS Gripen fighter jets have left the F17 base in Ronneby, Sweden to take part in the Nato led mission in Libya. [2 april kl 10.42]

Five more will set off on Sunday, along with a C-130 Hercules usable for mid-air refueling.

The jets left in thick cloud at 10.10 am on Saturday. The planes touched down shortly after noon in Sardinia where there'll be based for Nato deployment.

The Swedish parliament on Friday voted in favour of sending the fighter jets to contribute to the international mission to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya. Only the Swedish Democrats were against the government. The planes will not be taking part in any ground strikes.

The Libyan operation will be the first combat tour for the JAS Gripen 39, produced by the Swedish defence group Saab.


SR (http://m.sverigesradio.se/site/index.aspx?artikel=4435096)

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@GripenNews (http://twitter.com/#!/GripenNews)Gripen News Thread
Sweden's FM @carlbildt historic confirmation reply http://bit.ly/gDIbJ0 to #NATO request http://bit.ly/hC7VCf #OperationUnifiedProtector



Gripen News Thread
@GripenNews Gripen News Thread
SAAB: April #calendar month: UK Empire Test Pilots' School http://bit.ly/gjDude #military

Leaper
04-02-2011, 11:43 AM
My training exercise got canceled because that wing left for Libya :( Good luck boys

signatory
04-03-2011, 04:30 AM
http://i.imgur.com/c3h0Zdotjpg
Photo: JAS 39C at NAS Sigonella, April 2 Cred: Ola Nilsson

5 more SwAF JAS 39 launched this morning as planned.

signatory
04-03-2011, 05:45 PM
And they did in fact fly down with two NATO-pylons on the wings.

So the planes are fully ready if politics change.

Muts
04-04-2011, 04:18 PM
GBU's in the arsenal brought to Libya after all.

From www.mil.se

Google translate.


The right weapon for the operation
Published: April 4, 2011 at 18:34
LIBYA In order to maintain the no-fly zone over Libya carrying the Swedish JAS Gripen plan the weapons needed to solve the task.
This means that the Armed Forces means ammunition for the gun, heat-seeking and radar-guided missiles and precision bombs. In terms of precision bombs, they are only for use against air defense on the ground in a self defense situation.

- The likelihood of the use of precision bombs are very small, "said Air Force Inspector Anders Silwer.

Currently, the Armed Forces until the operation rules to be applied to the Swedish unit in the operation. These action rules based on the operation rules of the coalition and has the mandate of the Armed Forces have been given by the parliament and government for the operation.

Armed Forces will not comment on what types of weapons which are carried on each flight mission.

signatory
04-05-2011, 05:54 AM
A good photo.

http://i.imgur.com/4GJoVdotjpg
Photo: Lars-Åke Siggelin/Försvarsmakten

This is from the TTP ex in early March when the SwAF development unit TU JAS also took the opportunity to validate LINK-16. Previous L16 tests has mainly been a FMV/SAAB affair so now it's finally coming into the SwAF.

Gripens from four divisions, Two ASC-890 Erieye's, the C-130 tanker, Finnish Hornets and Norwegian F-16s took part in the TTP which at times had 36 jets in the air. 1000 flight hours produced, 42,000-lbs fuel from tanker a/c. A2A, A2G with precision strike. NVG flights and so on. Good.

And now (soon) the tanker is in Italy.. as well as 2 of those jets in that photo. 227 and 270.

Article (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Skolor/Luftstridsskolan-LSS/Nyheter/Premiar-for-Lank-16/)

Swingrole
04-06-2011, 06:41 AM
Yet another round in the Swiss fighter story...



Swiss look for more, better fighters



StratPost
April 6, 2011
By Saurabh Joshi


Switzerland is again in the market for fighter aircraft after having announced a postponement of a decision, last year, to purchase the replacements for their F-5 Tiger aircraft.

Significantly, not only is the Swiss Air Force looking for additional capabilities in the aircraft, like an AESA radar, it is also planning to increase the order size from 22 to 36. This would result in an increase in the value of the order from the USD 3-5 billion estimated last year.

Switzerland was considering the Swedish SAAB’s Gripen, EADS’ Eurofighter and the French Dassault’s Rafale to replace their F-5 aircraft, before it put the tender process on hold last year, ostensibly for budgetary reasons.

But the Swiss are now looking at other options as well and have invited Boeing to offer the F/A-18 Super Hornet. This could partly be a result of a feeling that they might be able to achieve cost savings, keeping in mind the existing infrastructure for the upgraded F-18 Hornets, which they already operate.

Swiss officials traveled to St. Louis in recent weeks, where they were briefed on the aircraft.

This comes after a change in the political dispensation in the country, from an earlier regime that was more keen on considering an exclusively European solution for their fighter aircraft requirement.

And for that matter, Kuwait, too, is kicking the tires on the Super Hornet. Commemorating the 20th anniversary of its liberation from Iraq this year, Kuwait already operates the Enhanced Performance Engine (EPE)-powered F-18 C/D. According to Abu Dhabi-based newspaper, The National, a proposed purchase of the Rafale was questioned by Kuwaiti Members of Parliament last year, who said they considered the aircraft overpriced and technically deficient.

Source: http://www.stratpost.com/swiss-look-for-more-better-fighters

signatory
04-06-2011, 06:55 AM
Boeing is pretty clever in how they use a few strategically located foreign news-blogs to distribute marketing without having its company name tagged all over the story.

jontew
04-06-2011, 03:26 PM
Seems like they had some fuel problems today, apparentley the americans run their machines on some fuel that is not fully compatible with the one used for Gripen, care to shed some light on this sig?

Breerman
04-06-2011, 05:42 PM
Seems like they had some fuel problems today, apparentley the americans run their machines on some fuel that is not fully compatible with the one used for Gripen, care to shed some light on this sig?
http://www.aftonbladet.se/senastenytt/ttnyheter/inrikes/article12844017.ab

Sigonella is a US Naval Air Station and the Swedish contingent is stationed on the American part of the base. US Navy uses a special aviation fuel called JP-5 whereas Gripen uses standard Jet A-1 which isn't available there. Shouldn't be much more to it than to call in a fuel truck, but obviously someone didn't do his/her job.

signatory
04-07-2011, 12:27 AM
I dunno, ever tried to work with Italian contractors? p-) Especially on Sicily...

Seems a bit shady though.

signatory
04-07-2011, 02:03 AM
SELEX Galileo to expand its presence in Brazil http://bit.ly/g3rISk (pdf)


More about the Agreement with ATMOS:
The agreement with ATMOS, which follows on from a recent memorandum of understanding,
focuses on individual target programmes such as the Raven ES-05 AESA for Gripen Next
Generation (NG), and details the training, development, production and support activities to
be carried out by ATMOS.

In addition to the Raven ES-05 AESA radar for the Saab Gripen NG proposed for the FX-2
programme, the agreement also covers all radars in the SELEX Galileo portfolio including the
Seaspray 5000E and 7000E AESA surveillanc

Herman the II
04-07-2011, 02:24 AM
http://www.aftonbladet.se/senastenytt/ttnyheter/inrikes/article12844017.ab

Sigonella is a US Naval Air Station and the Swedish contingent is stationed on the American part of the base. US Navy uses a special aviation fuel called JP-5 whereas Gripen uses standard Jet A-1 which isn't available there. Shouldn't be much more to it than to call in a fuel truck, but obviously someone didn't do his/her job.

I always thought JP-5 usage was limited to aircraft carriers, interesting.
Just shows how one simple human error can halt a complete operation.

signatory
04-07-2011, 05:52 AM
http://i.imgur.com/qMfJ7dotjpg

Photos: SwAF preps at Sigonella #UnifiedProtector

Album (http://gripennews.imgur.com/sigonella1)

Cred: Sgt Johan Lundahl/Combat Camera

signatory
04-07-2011, 06:15 AM
Force Commander Wilson said at a press conf they now have a order from NATO for the first mission to be executed this afternoon.

It's worth to mention since it's kind of historic for multiple reasons.

BTW, this comment I made earlier..


I dunno, ever tried to work with Italian contractors? Especially on Sicily...

lol. Anders Silwer said they had a delay on the fuel due to a civilian contractor. I wanna see those invoices when they get back!

Sancho78
04-07-2011, 08:32 AM
A good photo.

http://i.imgur.com/4GJoVdotjpg


Really nice picture, but why are they flying only with a single missile? Other allied fighters that were send to Italian, or Greek bases were fully armed when they left their home countries.
Regarding the fuel issue, does it mean the Gripen NG Demonstrator is also using a different fuel because it has the F18SH engine?

Slenke
04-07-2011, 09:20 AM
http://i.imgur.com/4GJoVdotjpg


Really nice picture, but why are they flying only with a single missile? Other allied fighters that were send to Italian, or Greek bases were fully armed when they left their home countries.
Regarding the fuel issue, does it mean the Gripen NG Demonstrator is also using a different fuel because it has the F18SH engine?
That picture has nothing to do with Libya. And why would you fly fully armed from the home country to another friendly country while flying over other friendly nations? It's not like you're flying over Iran.

signatory
04-07-2011, 10:04 AM
Yes the photo is from a exercise in Sweden last month.



Regarding the fuel issue, does it mean the Gripen NG Demonstrator is also using a different fuel because it has the F18SH engine?

No. Super Hornet doesnt have to use JP-5 either. It could probably do good from running on JP-8 or JET A1 but most of all this is a issue on what is most suitable for the whole organisation. JP-5 is much better for carrier ops.

Sancho78
04-07-2011, 10:53 AM
Yes the photo is from a exercise in Sweden last month.



No. Super Hornet doesnt have to use JP-5 either. It could probably do good from running on JP-8 or JET A1 but most of all this is a issue on what is most suitable for the whole organisation. JP-5 is much better for carrier ops.

I see, thought it was related to the pics posted before that of Gripen in Sicily. Regarding armed fighters on the way to the their bases in Italy:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5264/800xqqdotjpg


British Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon jets land at the Gioia del Colle NATO Airbase in southern Italy March 20, 2011.http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?195079-Libyan-Conflict-Photos-and-Videos&p=5538134&viewfull=1#post5538134


http://www.f-16.net/modules/Gallery2/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=434741&g2_serialNumber=2



UAE block 60s arrive in Italy for Libyan operationshttp://www.f-16.net/news_article4321.html


That's why I asked about Gripens.

Slenke
04-07-2011, 03:00 PM
That's why I asked about Gripens.
Yeah, but why stress the aircrafts more than necessary? It's not like Germany would launch missiles while overflying..

Breerman
04-07-2011, 03:26 PM
UAE aircrafts probably passed by the Libyan no-fly zone en route to base and the British Eurofighters were probably under NATO command and ready to be diverted if necessary.

SwAF Gripens flew in EU/NATO airspace and the unit didn't hand over command to NATO command until 1-2 days ago.

signatory
04-07-2011, 04:28 PM
Sancho78, Do not hotlink images. It's against forum rules. Also what you posted weren't relevant to this thread.

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Some info (swe) and a pic about the first Unified Protector mission here. (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Libyen-UP/Nyheter-fran-Libyen/Forsta-skarpa-uppdraget/)

signatory
04-09-2011, 05:23 AM
http://i.imgur.com/g8hBJdotjpg

JAS 39C 'TIGER 37' refuel from SwAF C-130 'MIGHTY 65' for a recon mission near Tripoli, April 8 under Unified Protector. Crd: FC Stefan Wilson

Source (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Libyen-UP/Nyheter-fran-Libyen/Forsta-uppdraget-over-Libyen/)

signatory
04-10-2011, 09:25 AM
SAAF takes delivery of three more Gripens

By Dean Wingrin

The SAAF received an additional three new Gripen C fighter aircraft today.

Arriving on board the cargo vessel Achtergracht (registered in Amsterdam) yesterday, the three aircraft were offloaded in Table Bay Harbour this morning. They had been loaded onboard the vessel at the port of Norrkoping in Sweden.

The single seat aircraft, serialed 3917 to 3919, were towed the eight kilometres from the harbour to AFB Ysterplaat on the quite weekend streets of Cape Town. They will be made ready for flight at the airforce base prior to departing for AFB Makhado in the Limpopo province.
source (http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/984/saaf-takes-delivery-of-three-more-gripens)

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Henke556
04-10-2011, 01:08 PM
Is this the first time the Iris-T is used on "real" missions?? I haven't seen them on any other aircrafts than the Gripens over Libya..

On a side note, this blog can be pretty interesting to follow, it's the newly started official blog of the Swedish Air Force.

http://flygvapenbloggen.se/

Shark with freaking laser
04-10-2011, 01:20 PM
Norwegian F16s in Libya are also equipped with Iris-T. I'll see if I can dig up some photos...

Edit:
153031

Link to more pictures: http://forsvaret.no/om-forsvaret/forsvaret-i-utlandet/libya/mediearkiv/Sider/default.aspx

Natter
04-10-2011, 02:37 PM
Is this the first time the Iris-T is used on "real" missions?? I haven't seen them on any other aircrafts than the Gripens over Libya..




No. Even other Gripens have used Iris-t:s on "real missions"...and probably came closer to using them than the Gripens over Libya will...

Henke556
04-10-2011, 03:32 PM
@shark with with freaking laser
Nice to see!

@Natter

Do you mean South African Gripens during WC 2010? South Africa is the only Gripen user besides Sweden that has bought the Iris-T.. WC 2010 can't be compared with a war against another country..

Natter
04-10-2011, 04:06 PM
@Natter

Do you mean South African Gripens during WC 2010? South Africa is the only Gripen user besides Sweden that has bought the Iris-T.. WC 2010 can't be compared with a war against another country..

Ok, That´s your choice.

I have no problem comparing flying CAP over a country with no remaining air force and no medium to high level GBAD:s to hunting unannounced, radio silent aircraft breaching the safety bubble and with the finger on the trigger asking them to perform a 180 or else....Knowing that you have only that many seconds left before one of the following must occur 1) You shoot down an innocent aircraft, effectively ending the WC 2) You let an act of terrorism occur 3) The mofu turns 4) You prevent number 2. Where there close calls? Hell yes, and not only with civilian aircraft.


Interesting that no one has published any news from thailand lately. The massive floods that left 2 million with no home has effectively put an end to any and all flights and even led to the evcuation of th entire SwAF support group during its peak...

Loke2
04-12-2011, 03:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhs3k_JNbUE

Gripen NG with heavy load.

signatory
04-12-2011, 06:08 AM
Interesting that no one has published any news from thailand lately. The massive floods that left 2 million with no home has effectively put an end to any and all flights and even led to the evcuation of th entire SwAF support group during its peak...

Big and tragic flooding. Affected is said to be below 0.5m in the south, affected is a broad term - most of them do have homes. Flash floods and heavy rain happen from time to time although smaller in size but Surat Thani province usually pick up speed in short time, roads drying up, quickly repaired and so on. Wing7 helping out with aid. And RTAF/RTN exercise is still planned as noted on the twitter:


GripenNews Gripen News Thread
RTAF Gripens and Saab 340AEW to take part in joint RTN naval exercise April 21-22 http://bit.ly/dTEKbr #Thailand #Wing7
8 Apr



RIAT_UPDATES RIAT 2011
3 x Swedish Air Force JAS 39 Gripens (F/FS/S) Confirmed #RIAT
8 Apr

BTW, SAAF Gripens were indeed exposed to a huge threat during the World Cup patrols. The Vuvuzela.

signatory
04-12-2011, 08:39 AM
Video: Swedish Armed Forces on Sicily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrAUSVn6WKA

Loke2
04-13-2011, 08:14 AM
For your amusement...



Saudi Assistant Defence Minister for Military Affairs Prince Khaled Bin Sultan Bin Abdulaziz is said to have not yet dropped the possibility of buying the Saab JAS 39 Gripen aircraft for the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF). The following 440-word report sheds more light on the Saudi plans with regards to the aircraft. It also tells what about the talks Prince Khaled held with Swedish Ambassador to Riyadh Jan Thesleff on the matter early this week.


http://tacticalreport.com/view_news/Saudi_Prince_Khaled_and_the_JAS_39_Gripen_aircraft/1829

I wonder if anybody buy these reports...

signatory
04-13-2011, 03:00 PM
Speaking of amusement...


@GripenNews Gripen News Thread
@NATO gonna mirror flip all #SwAF photos until we join #NATO or what's the deal here? http://t.co/olgb0Kg #monkeysatwork

signatory
04-14-2011, 11:59 AM
http://i.imgur.com/1BWasdotjpg

JAS 39C with RECCE and LITENING III Pods for #Unifiedprotector #SWAD (c) Sgt Johan Lundahl/CC/SAF

More Photos and Article: (http://bit.ly/fxxCyA)

signatory
04-14-2011, 01:39 PM
Good job #SWAD kicking into gear.

http://i.imgur.com/wpgO3dotjpg

Libyan SAM site photo taken by JAS 39 #SWAD degraded quality for release (c) SAF #UnifiedProtector

Source (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Libyen-UP/Nyheter-fran-Libyen/Bidrar-i-operationen/)

GT:


Assists in the operation
Published: April 14, 2011 at 15:14
Libya

Swedish fighter aircraft deliver reconnaissance images to NATO in Operation Unified Protector.
- We are one of several nations in the coalition under NATO leadership. What we do is an important part of this complex operation, "said Stephen Wilson, director of the Swedish force Air Force Intermediate Libya, FL 01, based in Sicily.

According to the Swedish Riksdag decision from April 1, then the Swedish Gripen aircraft monitoring the no-fly zone over Libya under Security Council Resolution 1973rd In addition, the Swedish unit, FL 01, through reconnaissance mission to supply information to the operation.

- The FL 01's reconnaissance capabilities can provide relevant information about the opponent's ability to challenge the no-fly zone, which can be invaluable information for the NATO-led coalition, "said Stephen Wilson.

The unit flies one to two missions per day, but if necessary more than that. The unit also has its own air refueling capability in Tp84T/KC-130 Hercules. When the connection flies is controlled by NATO orders, which are classified as secret. Since April 7, FL-01 has carried out 16 aircraft movements in Operation Unified Protector, a number of which has been said reconnaissance missions. First air refueling during missions conducted on Friday 8 April.

Apan76
04-15-2011, 05:43 AM
First swedish female pilot in Gripen:
153288

http://flygvapenbloggen.se/

signatory
04-15-2011, 09:34 AM
NTM 2011

So the NATO Tiger meet will apparently be without the cash-strapped Hungarians. Several other NATO-cancellations too. But CzAF will bring 4 Gripens.

http://bit.ly/ezrzdP

kme
04-15-2011, 09:21 PM
Can anybody point me to a reference to the distribution between one and two seater Gripens? The English wikipedea isn't too clear.

signatory
04-16-2011, 12:24 PM
Can anybody point me to a reference to the distribution between one and two seater Gripens? The English wikipedea isn't too clear.

Not right off the bat but F100 program envisions 25% D's in the fleet.

aayush
04-17-2011, 06:59 AM
Hi,
It is true that IAF love Gripen NG . But they will go for F 18 SH because of US pressure.
OR
Can split MRCA in two . Gripen + F 18 SH . Both with same engine . GE 414.
Can use same weapons , as SAAB offers weapon's open options for any weapons.
OR
May go for Indian Navy for Gripen as Indian Navy also want 100+ aircraft after IAF.
But they will keep Tejas and Gripen two different things . I mean to say no SAAB support for Tejas . Because after F 16 which will face out after F 35 , only few single engine aircraft will be there. For export market of Tejas , they may do like this. SAAB do offer for Tejas support . But DRDO think in different way .
I also love Gripen , want to see Gripen NG in India and with support for Tejas and AMCA also. I think IAF got money and they will go for Gripen NG also now or later.

signatory
04-18-2011, 11:46 AM
aayush, hiya and welcome. As you can tell by the lack of comments on your post; this thread is for news... those never-ending fighter tender debates go on somewhere else. As they should.

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Weapons load-out activities JAS 39 on NAS Sigonella


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzF8fVSgLXM

(c) Swedish Armed Forces

signatory
04-20-2011, 12:38 AM
Compiled a summary of the EWS so maybe even a few normal people can understand some parts of it. Info with more details has already been posted here and there in bits and pieces so this is like an overview.

http://i.imgur.com/nkZoTdotjpg

Jpg direct. (http://i.imgur.com/nkZoTdotjpg)

JohanGrön
04-20-2011, 09:04 AM
Compiled a summary of the EWS so maybe even a few normal people can understand some parts of it. Info with more details has already been posted here and there in bits and pieces so this is like an overview.

Jpg direct. (http://i.imgur.com/nkZoTdotjpg)

Links to Saab product sheets for HES-21 ESM/ELINT and self protection (http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Electronic%20Warfare%20Solutions/HES-21/HES-21%20product%20sheet.pdf) (some of the products included), BOW Radar warning and ESM system (http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Electronic%20Warfare%20Solutions/BOW/BOW%20product%20sheet.pdf) and BOL Advanced countermeasures dispenser (http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Electronic%20Warfare%20Solutions/BOL/BOL%20product%20sheet.pdf) (for F/A-18 (http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Electronic%20Warfare%20Solutions/BOL/BOL%20F-18%20product%20sheet.pdf)). I couldn't find anything on the internal jammers on the Saabgroup pages.

Found this pic in an old presentation from Gert Sjunnesson from Saab, and one can see that it's possible to add a towed decoy if found necessary :
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9652/gripenewsdotjpg

Slenke
04-20-2011, 11:16 AM
http://i42.*******.com/zsttp4dotjpg

Upandaway
04-21-2011, 10:18 AM
From the "Ares" blog:

"At yesterday's roll-out of the 500th Super Hornet/Growler, Boeing program vice-president Kory Mathews confirmed that the F414 Enhanced Performance Engine would be the baseline for the company's offer to India. The idea of the engine has been around for some time, but GE is clearly ready to commit the funds necessary to make the engine a reality...

The new engine offers up to a 20 percent thrust boost. That would take the EPE up to 26,500 pounds of thrust, giving it the best thrust/weight ratio of any fighter engine -- almost 11:1. Alternatively (an option understood to be attracting interest at Saab) the EPE could be delivered with a 10 percent uprate and very generous temperature margins, extending its life and reducing fighter life-cycle costs.

The EPE "will not make much difference at an air show", says Boeing chief test pilot Ric Traven, but dramatically improves the fighter's performance at high speed and altitude, halving supersonic acceleration times. For the Gripen, the extra thrust would translate into further-improved supercruise (supersonic level flight without afterburner) capability."


http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a98ca66c5-16cc-44a7-bfa3-45d1436e826f&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

signatory
04-22-2011, 05:46 AM
Video #UnifiedProtector #Libya by SwAF JAS 39 LITENING III. Possibly sealed off runway. http://bit.ly/giDhT9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojgy5H_LJc0

src http://bit.ly/eNrIfn

JohanGrön
04-25-2011, 04:10 PM
http://i.imgur.com/g8hBJdotjpg

JAS 39C 'TIGER 37' refuel from SwAF C-130 'MIGHTY 65' for a recon mission near Tripoli, April 8 under Unified Protector. Crd: FC Stefan Wilson

Source (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Libyen-UP/Nyheter-fran-Libyen/Forsta-uppdraget-over-Libyen/)

It was FV pilot Duke (http://flygvapenbloggen.se/2011/04/25/duke-lufttankar/) who flew TIGER 37 on this photo.

JohanGrön
04-27-2011, 01:01 PM
Rumours (http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/04/flash-rafale-typhoon-move-to-next-level.html) about a downselect of Rafale and Typhoon for MMRCA in India.

jontew
04-27-2011, 01:09 PM
A goddamn shame if true :(

Slenke
04-27-2011, 02:32 PM
Do the Swedish Airforce want the NG model or what do they want?

signatory
04-27-2011, 02:45 PM
Gripen not on the shortlist for the Indian MMRCA programme


27 April 2011, in Press Release

Today defence and security company Saab AB has received information from the Indian Ministry of Defence that Gripen has not been shortlisted for the Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme.

”We are offering India a world class next generation fighter aircraft to a very competitive price and an extensive technology transfer programme. We have received this decision and will closely monitor the future process and provide additional information if requested by the Indian Ministry of Defence. We are confident that the Gripen system is the perfect match for the Indian Air Force as well as meeting the highest requirements for the international markets,” says Håkan Buskhe, President and CEO at Saab.

India is one of Saab’s most important markets. For example, Saab recently announced an investment in a research and development centre in India.

“We are committed to the Indian market and continue our plans for growth and see huge business opportunities in the aerospace, defence and security sectors,” says Håkan Buskhe.

Gripen is in service with the Swedish, Czech Republic, Hungarian, South African and Royal Thai Air Forces. The UK Empire Test Pilots’ School (ETPS) is operating Gripen as its advanced fast jet platform for test pilots worldwide.

SAAB (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/Gripen-not-on-the-shortlist-for-the-Indian-MMRCA-programme/)

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@Slenke et al..

Kind of. In case some people missed it, this year began with Sweden opening up a debate on what to do with Gripen's long term future... it landed in how the military decided that it wants one more year before presenting its final opinion. But they said multiple times that they do not see any need for a new version until around 2025. Just one notable difference would be the opportunity to buy AESAs with Galllium Nitride MMICs instead. And that they want continued independence to make a suitable selection for themselves. In their mind exports should not be the driver.

The Government otoh issued its own opinion that exports should actually be the driver of a decision and said that if India were to select Gripen, SwAF would fall in line and go with a closely matched configuration and production schedule. Which is not compatible with SwAFs own requirements. They also had this naive and rather silly idea of India as being a potentional "partner".

So depending on what side you support... missing the shortlist can for sure have different meanings. There's much more to this also, such as obligations to current users, employment and R&T issues... but either way it was a long shot in the first place to win and looking a few years ahead the market is not going to be exactly cluttered with modern yet cost-effective fighters. I'm not exactly sad today but we will just have to see what exactly our politicans do with our military...

My 2 öre.

Breerman
04-28-2011, 04:37 AM
Since it was brought up and not to vent party politics but as a reflection on the reality of the international politics involving large defence tenders:

What seems to be the Indian decision right now is a bit surprising but then again maybe not so much. For one politics is seen as the greatest individual factor and especially in the case of India with it's 1.2 billion population and political aspirations to match.

Sweden for one can not offer India a seat in the security council and what not but Sweden as a country could indeed compete for large international arms orders even with the political aspects in consideration. However that is something that would require an active independent foreign policy doctrine combined with a real political commitment to promoting arms export.

Nevertheless the reality is that there is no foreign policy doctrine at all today thus that aspect of a tender is automatically nullified in the eyes of any potential customer. Secondly, Sweden's overall commitment to national defence is very questionable which in turn says the opposite of what someone who is looking for an ambitious long-term military-political partner wants to hear. On top of that we send them an effiminate defence minister who is a also a "conscientious objector" to the use military force, which to be sincere sounds like a joke. Would you rely on someone like that for war-time support/deliveries? In fact I don't think even prime minister Reinfeldt believes a minion with a very limited political mandate could come close to competing with Sarkozy and Putin in a big boys' game, yet that is what he chose to do.

Since India at this point did not go with it's traditional partner Russia and did not seek additional support from USA but was looking for an independent choice this was a great opportunity. The size of the deal with 120-200 aircrafts and a potential total order value of some $15 billion simply deserves much greater attention and effort on the political side.

hulaku
04-28-2011, 04:46 AM
Since India at this point did not go with it's traditional partner Russia and did not seek additional support from USA but was looking for an independent choice this was a great opportunity. The size of the deal with 120-200 aircrafts and a potential total order value of $15 billion simply deserves greater attention and effort on the political side.

IMHO as an Indian I think it was the fact that the Gripen had an American engine made it loose out.

And also the fact that Saab has been supplying a lot of high-tech stuff to the Pakistanis (The Eyerie) which did not go un-noticed. The French have for some time refused to sell any electronics to the Pakistani JF-17 keeping an eye on this deal.

And then there is the Tejas factor.

signatory
04-29-2011, 09:43 AM
Saab Targets Smaller Gripen Orders After Losing Bid for India

By Ola Kinnander - Apr 29, 2011 2:45 PM GMT+0200
...

Saab sees potential for Gripen orders in Brazil, Romania, Croatia, Denmark, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Hungary and the Czech Republic, Buskhe said in an interview today. Hungary and the Czech Republic are existing customers that may expand their orders, he said.

“We feel good about the Gripen program, it has lots of potential,” Buskhe said, adding that it “remains a profitable business.”

India’s defense ministry informed Saab April 27 that the Gripen hadn’t been shortlisted for its plan to buy 126 jets.

Saab still has a “good chance” to win an order from Brazil, which initially plans to buy 36 planes, Buskhe said. The Stockholm-based company has “not received any negative signals” from Brazil, and hopes for a decision “within months,” the CEO said.

Saab said today that first-quarter net income rose to 279 million kronor ($46.5 million) from 69 million kronor, beating the average estimate of 205 million kronor in a Bloomberg survey of five analysts.

...


http://bloom.bg/kLxvqT

signatory
04-29-2011, 05:38 PM
Operation Unified Protector update

Since April 7: 64 missions

On Thursday morning SwAF Gripens and the KC-130 were the only ones to fly from NAS Sigonella. Using the secondary runway.

Main runway had not been cleaned up after the UAE F-16 crash the day before. It's also the only runway there with the BAK-12 rescue system that the American built jets want to hook up to in case of emergencies (in fact the 2nd UAE F-16 was saved by this system on Wednesday). So they had to sit it out.

Schooled.

http://i.imgur.com/EjcfNdotjpg
SAM site image from recon mission... degraded quality.

source (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Libyen-UP/Nyheter-fran-Libyen/Tillstand-till-flygning/)

signatory
05-01-2011, 04:03 PM
CzAF at Plasy 'Den ve Vzduchu' Air Show this weekend.

Photos: Daniel Beran, MF DNES

http://i.imgur.com/98GHcdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/CLqbHdotjpg

Nice shot of the air brakes.

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SAAB: May #calendar month - South African Air Force protected the 2010 FIFA World Cup

http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Gripen/Gripen%20Calendar%202011/Second%20page/May%20365x263%20pxdotjpg

Link to month (http://bit.ly/gjDude)

signatory
05-02-2011, 07:33 AM
Date: April 28, 2011

Saab Selects Eaton to Provide Ducting Systems for the Gripen Next Generation Fighter Aircraft

IRVINE, Calif. …Diversified industrial manufacturer Eaton Corporation announced that it has been selected by Saab to design complete ducting systems for the Gripen Next Generation fighter aircraft’s bleed air and environmental control systems. Components manufactured by Eaton for the Gripen Next Generation aircraft include pneumatic ducts, rigid and flexible joints and V-band couplings.

“Eaton’s best-value option for Saab combines superior technical capabilities with competitive pricing,” said Bradley J. Morton, president of Eaton’s Aerospace Group. “Eaton’s global expertise is unmatched in the design and manufacture of these critical components and we are pleased to contribute our technology to the production of the Gripen Next Generation fighter.”

Ducting systems for the Gripen Next Generation fighter convey engine bleed air throughout the aircraft; the air provides cockpit pressurization, wing anti-icing and avionics cooling.


Eaton (http://www.eaton.com/Eaton/OurCompany/NewsEvents/NewsReleases/PCT_268561)

JohanGrön
05-03-2011, 06:42 AM
Commander Sverker Göransson visited FL01 on Sigonella this Sunday. Seen here studying the SPK 39 (http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Sensor%20Systems/MRPS%20recce%20pod/Recce%20Pod%20product%20sheet.pdf) recon pod on a Gripen.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8351/sverkergspk39dotjpg
[Link (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Libyen-UP/Nyheter-fran-Libyen/Belaten-OB/)]

signatory
05-04-2011, 05:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bFZ5iVZ-dE


gg W.
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Trade delegation to Brazil

Sweden's Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt will lead a trade delegation to Brazil 17-18 May (http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/14143/a/167633). The first day will see bilateral talks with President Dilma. SAAB is with them. Focus on research and innovation.

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To Swedish Air force personnel; If you wanna vent opinion or got a story to share (maybe under alias), besides writing to fans that @GripenNews (http://twitter.com/#!/GripenNews) thing on Twitter is now followed by a few that I would call influential players in the media, government, industry and peace .org's. One way is to just write here and ask me to link it for people to see, or send me a PM and I will act middle-man. Just know you got this option... (PM me if you dont wanna post in English)

signatory
05-06-2011, 11:44 AM
New Tiger scheme for the Czechs.

Shot by Milan Nykodym

http://i.imgur.com/iC8WCdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/1rKUVdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/QEi5rdotjpg

Links to hires: http://bit.ly/lfpqW7 http://bit.ly/j1FZXQ http://bit.ly/lPmpyM

jontew
05-06-2011, 12:15 PM
Awesome! :D

bababooey
05-06-2011, 05:39 PM
New screensaver! Yeah baby !

-Max2-
05-06-2011, 06:05 PM
Nice Tiger Meet scheme !


CzAF at Plasy 'Den ve Vzduchu' Air Show this weekend.

Photos: Daniel Beran, MF DNES

http://i.imgur.com/98GHcdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/CLqbHdotjpg


It is curious that they are carrying Sidewinders on the outer wing pylons and not on the wingtips. Any reasons ?

I just noticed that CzAF Gripens also have the pylon under the air intake to mount a targeting pod. Are the Czechs using their Gripens in the A2G role now too ?

signatory
05-06-2011, 08:25 PM
Nice Tiger Meet scheme !

It is curious that they are carrying Sidewinders on the outer wing pylons and not on the wingtips. Any reasons ?

I just noticed that CzAF Gripens also have the pylon under the air intake to mount a targeting pod. Are the Czechs using their Gripens in the A2G role now too ?

Yeah Czechs don't do A2G with Gripen.. afaik that pylon is there because there were no covers for the underlying electrical interface etc available at the time and Sweden who owns the jets had no interest in getting any of those anyway. Maybe there's also a cost involved I dunno. Kind of guessing. It's a bit silly to have it there that I will say. The AIM-9M.. well it's a good place :) Possibly easier handling with the hoists. They have shot live rounds from the wingtips in training though and didn't miss so it's not like they dont work there or so.

Atle
05-06-2011, 09:24 PM
Sidewinders is known for causing quite bad vibrations when mounted on wingtips.Swedish Airforce Gripens often carried dummy and simulation Sidewinders without fins.
AFAIK IRIS-T does not have these issues.

signatory
05-06-2011, 09:56 PM
Hungary otoh flies the Diehl sidewinder AIM-9L/I-1 on the wingtips for their live QRA's. It has several changes in electronics and seeker.

signatory
05-08-2011, 05:18 PM
Swedish military has an interesting story with good photos.

http://i.imgur.com/1o3dodotjpg
Photo: Louise Levin/SAF

Damage to forward canopy shield's anti-radar coating from 'unknown weather phenomena' #FL01 #OUP first reported as sandstorm. No sand has been found so far and they have never seen this damage before. Theories include some freak upwind thunderstorm that brought with it particles but so far they don't really know. Happened on two jets at the same time and there's no other damages to be found. The thin coating contains the metals gold and indium tin oxide.

Article in Swedish (http://bit.ly/jSf9Dw)

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Ex 'Arctic Fighter Meet' this Mon-Fri;

8x FAF F-18 #Hornet, 3x #Hawk, 6x SwAF JAS 39 #Gripen http://bit.ly/k0Trdr #AFM11 #Sweden #Finland

kme
05-08-2011, 05:58 PM
Sounds to me like accelerated thermal and UV degradation of the plastic film due to the intense Mediterranean sun.

Slenke
05-08-2011, 06:08 PM
Sounds to me like accelerated thermal and UV degradation of the plastic film due to the intense Mediterranean sun.
But it happened on two planes at the same time.

Upandaway
05-12-2011, 06:33 AM
Interesting, and IMHO quite accurate article about India's MMRCA at Aviation Week.


Key Quote:



"The unusual procedure has some questioning what lies ahead. An official with one of the losing vendors says that “if the Typhoon and Rafale won this round on technical compliance and performance grounds, who says it’ll play out the same way on price? These planes are not cheap.”
With the defense ministry opting to choose between two of the most expensive fighters in the competition, there is a sense that negotiations could still fail, in light of the Indian defense establishment’s legendary sensitivity to unit price. “The known prices of the two final contenders could throw budgetary allocations for the MMRCA acquisition completely out of gear. The finance ministry won’t like that one single bit,” agrees an Indian air force officer who observed field trials of the six aircraft at the Leh air base in the Himalayas.
Saab CEO Hakan Bushke is even more explicit. “We are still offering the Indian government the Gripen,” he said after the company noted it was not selected. In these processes, there can be changes of direction, he added."

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/awst/2011/05/09/AW_05_09_2011_p36-318902.xml&headline=Indian%20Fighter%20Downselect%20Questions%20Remain

Lots of "entertainment" left in this one folks...

signatory
05-12-2011, 05:55 PM
Sorry, no time to do this pretty.. just adding the tweets. Follow links.


South African Air force completes Air Capability Demo http://bit.ly/kH3W6r www.saairforce.co.za http://twitpic.com/4wrk8q #military #gripen



LDP-images of parked #Libyan jets near #Tripoli. Taken by #Gripen #OUP (c) SAF (lores) http://twitpic.com/4wrngc http://twitpic.com/4wrnlj



Sweden: Resources tied to #Libya + deficit forcing SwAF to cancel major exercise week 20 http://bit.ly/mCmQxz #underfunded #EU #defense #BS

Take it easy GNT'ers.

signatory
05-13-2011, 10:34 AM
http://i.imgur.com/d8hxgdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/KDs5Wdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/l36XYdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/e32Npdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/3DY6Adotjpg

Photos 211.Sqn

signatory
05-16-2011, 02:21 AM
OUP update

Between April 7 to May 12 the Gripen unit has flown 104 missions, producing 65,000 images.

http://i.imgur.com/Uup5Ddotjpg
Nearing Libyan coastline Photo: FL 01/Försvarsmakten

http://i.imgur.com/qETQzdotjpg
Over Libya Photo: FL 01/Försvarsmakten

Article (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Libyen-UP/Nyheter-fran-Libyen/Halla-trycket-uppe/)

signatory
05-17-2011, 05:28 PM
David Cenciotti wrote a photo-article with some very nice photos abt NATO Tiger Meet 2011.

Link (http://cencio4.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/ntm/)

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Ah yeah @ Swedes.. can't help but comment on TV4 using that SANIP agreement as evidence on SAAFs Gripen/Hawk selection by saying the consultant Fana Hlongwane were tied to Defmin Modise.

Seen that info before in British media so not new to me anyway and shouldnt be new to SAAB.. TV4 used it differently and said it was a direct link to Modise on winning the deal in the first place.

Hm well the doc was signed 4 years after Modise left office and covers the tranche 3 (19 jets) so if Fana Hlongwane acted as a lobbyist to make sure those jets were not cancelled he must have done so towards the MoD successor. But there's no talk of him in this piece of news. So a bit puzzled. The new MoD came from a rival party too so I dunno how well he was tied with the consultant.

Sanip is used for the offsets so I guess they wanted a consultant with insight and as boardmember of Denel and involved in politics that guy probably fit in nicely. Offset-corruption is a global phenomena and maybe there's something there but I just thought the info got a bit mixed up in the news report...

The follow-up story will be interesting to watch. Apparently SA dont need an airforce 'cos a Swedish nurse says so.

signatory
05-18-2011, 05:07 AM
Saab receives order from FMV regarding development of existing Gripen system

18 May 2011, in Press Release

Defence and security company Saab has received an order from the Swedish Defence Material Administration (FMV) regarding development of the existing material system 39 (edition 19). The order amount is 152 MSEK.
The order consists of development work in Gripen C/D, for example enhanced working environment in the cockpit. The work will be carried out in 2011 and 2012.

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2011---5/Saab-receives-order-from-FMV-regarding-development-of-existing-Gripen-system/)

signatory
05-19-2011, 05:54 AM
Swedish industry vision FAPS (Future Air Power System)

http://i.imgur.com/iTKRSdotjpg

NRAFlyg (http://www.vinnova.se/PageFiles/5128/nraflygadd20111.pdf)

Now all they need is money!

Basically Swedish industry will do two things, support Gripen in near and long term. And next to that continue with demonstrator work for UAS and future unmanned fighter to secure a strong position in these fields. Work will blend across lines when possible.

Maktab
05-20-2011, 03:26 AM
Ah yeah @ Swedes.. can't help but comment on TV4 using that SANIP agreement as evidence on SAAFs Gripen/Hawk selection by saying the consultant Fana Hlongwane were tied to Defmin Modise.

Seen that info before in British media so not new to me anyway and shouldnt be new to SAAB.. TV4 used it differently and said it was a direct link to Modise on winning the deal in the first place.

Hm well the doc was signed 4 years after Modise left office and covers the tranche 3 (19 jets) so if Fana Hlongwane acted as a lobbyist to make sure those jets were not cancelled he must have done so towards the MoD successor. But there's no talk of him in this piece of news. So a bit puzzled. The new MoD came from a rival party too so I dunno how well he was tied with the consultant.

Sanip is used for the offsets so I guess they wanted a consultant with insight and as boardmember of Denel and involved in politics that guy probably fit in nicely. Offset-corruption is a global phenomena and maybe there's something there but I just thought the info got a bit mixed up in the news report...

The follow-up story will be interesting to watch. Apparently SA dont need an airforce 'cos a Swedish nurse says so.
Regardless of the details of the SANIP case, I don't think there's any doubt that there was significant corruption involved in South Africa's Strategic Defence Package purchase. There were too many payments to 'advisors' with influence, short-circuits of the acquisition process and inexplicable decisions to believe otherwise. The only debate that remains is how extensive the bribery was and what influence it had on the final equipment chosen. For one, it's almost certain that the BAE Systems Hawk Mk120 would have lost to the Aermacchi Mb.339 had it not been for corrupt interference, as the Mb.339 was seen by the Air Force as offering 80% of the Hawk's capability at half its price.

It's also incorrect to say that Modise's successor as MoD, Mosiua Lekota, came from a different party as at the time he was still a fully-fledged and powerful member of the ANC. It was only years later, after a split within the ANC had resulted in President Mbeki being ousted and Jacob Zuma coming to power, that Lekota and other Mbeki loyalists formed a new opposition party called COPE. All indications are that Hlongwane remained powerful and influential during Lekota's tenure, being on the board of Denel (the state arms company) and chairing another powerful defence group that some believe has received favourable treatment from the government. He also paid for a new house for the outgoing chief of the defence force, who was on good terms with both Mbeki and Lekota and who joined his company soon afterwards.

With that said, I don't doubt that the news report might be stretching things a little, as in general the media's reporting on arms deal corruption has been pretty poor and often severely lacking in any understanding of military equipment, requirements or acquisitions. But I would not be so quick to dismiss this either.

signatory
05-20-2011, 04:43 AM
Thanks for that Maktab.



With that said, I don't doubt that the news report might be stretching things a little, as in general the media's reporting on arms deal corruption has been pretty poor and often severely lacking in any understanding of military equipment, requirements or acquisitions. But I would not be so quick to dismiss this either.

This is why I addressed my comments to Swedes: I want to make sure info is not mixed up with who did what as it legally matters a great deal if something was done by a Swedish company or a British one. And for what product. I have no intention of dismissing corruption, in fact I think it's impossible to have any government without corruption. Hopefully more info can come out and clarify what went on. With experience in seeing Gripen-related news here, I for one am not a fan of accepting insinuations and rumours as facts hance my comments.

The way the rest of their reporting was done was pretty much pinning South Africa's social problems on JAS 39 and with such bias in reporting it is also right to question the info. Indeed I see Hlongwane was on BAE's paylist for a long time for an obvious classic corruption (or 'lobbyism' as politicians would say) arrangement, this was reported years ago.

The report was however very specific in that this was now Saab paying to secure the deal as he had ties with Modise. They didn't talk about anything else on that point which I ought they should have done (since Modise had already left office by the time of the highly mentioned Sanip contract).

Saab says they haven't seen any payments go out and the person signing the contract was a BAE employee (in itself a bit weird).

Upandaway
05-20-2011, 07:37 AM
An interesting comment by "Marcase" (who seems like a straight kind of guy) at the Ares Blog:

"Somewhat related, so I'm just throwing it out there.

Had an interesting talk yesterday with someone who is much more qualified than I am, and who is involved with the Dutch JSF participating program.

If JSF gets cancelled, or priced beyond our budget, one option is to buy no more than 30 or so F-16 replacements - most probably single-engine Gripen NGs. These would be the usual "swing-role" fighters but with no more than ten for expeditionary ops.

In addition to that, the main air strike force would consist of UCAVs; partly Reaper-type armed ISR UAVs, but - if at all possible - mostly future operational strike versions of the Phantom Ray or X-47B.

The minds here are ready for radical cultural defense changes (giving up all tanks was one), and having an air force "fighter" force consisting of unmanned strike "platforms" (as opposed to "aircraft") could be an effective alternative.

Having said that, it is realized that an unmanned wing may be just as expensive as a manned fighter wing, nevermind the needed R&D would be "substantial".

But in case of a full cancellation (and not just a withdrawal) from the JSF program, the high level international industrial partners could use their (lost) investments as a form of credit to enter a US UCAV program, bypassing a potential Congressional "F-22 classification".

Nothing of this is on paper or policy of course, and there are enormous political, financial and industrial hurdles to be taken, but the Higher Ups are considering - interesting - alternatives."

Kind of reminds you of that presentation-PDF for the netherlands competition posted a while back doesn't it?

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a95c7cb4c-9c7f-4c83-934e-388bdd84b27f&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

Comments, page 3.

Milligram
05-20-2011, 11:12 AM
Siderius posted a new topic a few hours ago:

"Brazil postpones fighter deal to 2012"

From the link in brazil-weekly:

"Brazil’s purchase of 36 fighter jets will be made in 2012 says Rousseff

Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff revealed this week that the purchase of 36 fighter jets for the country's Air Force and involving billions of dollars but which has been postponed for years will be made in 2012."

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/05/19/brazil-s-purchase-of-36-fighter-jets-will-be-made-in-2012-says-rousseff

signatory
05-20-2011, 11:54 AM
Flying Gripens out of Southern Thailand must be one of the best jobs in the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2lEM7eIBHA

(flight from abt 1 min in)

Ty pramote2513.

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Upandaway, yeah the thought is interesting... one option might be to buy UCAV's from the US so to tap into that whole machinery and doctrine to satisfy politics, costs and capability.

Skyman
05-21-2011, 01:13 PM
Flying Gripens out of Southern Thailand must be one of the best jobs in the world.


More photo will come tomorrow. p-)

signatory
05-21-2011, 06:15 PM
More photo will come tomorrow. p-)

And video :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT3IZ0P7-dI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT3IZ0P7-dI
From: nopmedia5

Ps. check PM

signatory
05-22-2011, 03:05 AM
SAAF deal:

Used copy n paste like a real journo to make a little pdf:

The evaluation of Gripen by South Africa, in summary. (http://scr.bi/lTeme8)

Basically it's based on the extensive Investigative report by South Africa's Public Protector, Auditor-General and National Director of Public Prosecutions 14 November 2001.

With so much 'info' tossed around over the years a overview might be useful. The full report is also linked in the pdf.

Slenke
05-22-2011, 06:04 AM
SAAF deal:

Used copy n paste like a real journo to make a little pdf:

The evaluation of Gripen by South Africa, in summary. (http://scr.bi/lTeme8)

Basically it's based on the extensive Investigative report by South Africa's Public Protector, Auditor-General and National Director of Public Prosecutions 14 November 2001.

With so much 'info' tossed around over the years a overview might be useful. The full report is also linked in the pdf.
From the pdf


Claim: Inflated price of Gripen. Expensive compared to other fighter jets.
Answer: The average unit procurement price of South African Gripens (without surrounding costs)as reported by the auditor is US$ 34m. A cost below that of comparable multirole fighters and inline with Swedish Air Force procurement costs.
That's not much at all.

Skyman
05-22-2011, 12:36 PM
And video :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT3IZ0P7-dI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT3IZ0P7-dI
From: nopmedia5

Ps. check PM

p-)

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9185/gripena2a22dotjpg

Sadly there is no red bicycle here.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2316/gripena2a17dotjpg

A2A photo

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/383/gripena2a9dotjpg

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6607/gripena2a10dotjpg

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5983/gripena2a7dotjpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3450/gripena2a6dotjpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4518/gripena2a5dotjpg

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3824/gripena2a3dotjpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2356/gripena2a4dotjpg

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2048/gripena2a2dotjpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9402/gripena2a1dotjpg

With the Erieye

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9185/gripena2a22dotjpg

A bit feel like we are in Sweden. rofl rofl rofl

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8259/gripena2a12dotjpg

and ...

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8118/gripena2a24dotjpg

signatory
05-22-2011, 02:58 PM
Very cool Skyman. Lucky Sukasom. But I still wait for photos of low-flying Gripen over Koh <something> p-)

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OUP Update

http://i.imgur.com/Uoh1Edotjpg
Gripen with Recce pod SPK 39, LITENING III and IRIS-T land at Sigonella after a mission for Unified Protector. Photo: Louise Levin

FL01 flown 136 missions and shot 72,000 images.

A few of them (degraded quality ofc):

http://i.imgur.com/Olrr5dotjpg

That ship is toast.

http://i.imgur.com/hRchHdotjpg
Spare-SA2 missiles near residential area

http://i.imgur.com/K1RSDdotjpg
SA-2 group most likely inoperative, however Libyan systems change status over time and sometimes also get picked up by EWS-39

http://i.imgur.com/LtBy5dotjpg
Shilkas near residential area

Photos: FL01 Försvarsmakten

signatory
05-24-2011, 09:04 AM
Saab Prepares for UK Expansion

24 May 2011, in News

Global defence and security company, Saab AB will open new UK headquarters and draw on British engineering expertise in a new Saab Design Centre in London.
With 200 employees already based throughout the UK, Saab is preparing to expand its reach into the British defence industry by opening a central London office to co-ordinate all in-country operations.

The opening of the company’s new UK headquarters will be followed by the opening of an engineering design centre. The facility will capitalise on the UK’s maritime jet engineering expertise and is scheduled to open in the late Summer.

Initially staffed by approximately 10 British employees, its first project will be to design the carrier-based version of the Gripen new generation multi-role fighter aircraft based on studies completed by Saab in Sweden.

Saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/Saab-Prepares-for-UK-Expansion/)

signatory
05-24-2011, 10:06 AM
http://i.imgur.com/sqX2Tdotjpg

Photo: Craig Hoyle, Flightglobal

happyslapper
05-24-2011, 10:08 AM
Is this a 'wing and a prayer' approach to capturing a potential UK rethink of the F-35 for the RN?

signatory
05-24-2011, 10:54 AM
Here's Craig's article:


Saab to complete Sea Gripen design work in UK
By Craig Hoyle

Saab is to recruit a small team of engineers to staff a new design centre for its Sea Gripen concept in the UK, in an effort that could eventually lead to the construction of a flight demonstrator.

The Swedish company announced its plan following a 24 May meeting with Ministry of Defence officials in London, where it is also to open a new headquarters to accommodate the project team.


Full Article (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/05/24/357137/saab-to-complete-sea-gripen-design-work-in-uk.html)


@Happyslapper

Maybe a little bit... can't really disconnect this move from sales efforts of the normal Gripen NG's imo. I don't know costs involved in such an endevour but if they can offer a fuel conservative METEOR/RBS-15 fighter at roughly half price of F-35C and with a smaller logistical footprint than existing twin engine jets maybe they can interest some country that would like to involve its own industry in a partnership. Not everyone can offer STOBAR jets either.

Sometimes it's also just smarter to do marketing with real R&D rather than crap like model competitions or fly bloggers in a backseat...

JohanGrön
05-25-2011, 06:58 AM
FL01 flown 136 missions and shot 72,000 images.

A few of them (degraded quality ofc):

http://i.imgur.com/Olrr5dotjpg

That ship is toast.

Photos: FL01 Försvarsmakten
It's the Al Ghardabia KONI-class frigate of the Libyan Navy (ex Soviet built sub hunter). It was not sunk but it's military ability disabled according to the RAF whose Tonkas hit it in the wee hours on 20th May :
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4706/alghardabialibyankonicldotjpg
link (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/20/501364/main20064585.shtml)


The two frigates, a Soviet-built Koni class anti-submarine boat and a French-built Combattante class missile craft, were moored at the dock when they were hit with laser-guided bombs. It was not immediately clear whether their crews were aboard when they were struck.
"Our aim was not to destroy these ships but to remove their military ability," NATO spokesman Wing Cmdr. Mike Bracken told reporters. "They were identified as legitimate and legal targets."
But Bracken declined to say whether the frigates had been used in any naval operations - such as the mining of Misrata port - in recent weeks. He said NATO has "meticulously communicated" to all government troops that the risks of being around military equipment were extremely high



Same ship in Valletta (Malta) 2005
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4917/alghardabia2005dotjpg
hres (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/AlGhardabia2005dotjpg)

signatory
05-27-2011, 07:52 AM
Gripen on display this weekend

http://i.imgur.com/vAboCdotjpg

Saturday 28th

Čáslav Open Day (http://bit.ly/j7EbiS), Cz.

Sunday 29th

Västerås Flygmuseum RollOut & Flygdag (http://bit.ly/ltcPzQ), SE

Skaraborg Wing (F 7) Open Day (http://bit.ly/mG3rDi), SE

signatory
05-28-2011, 05:17 AM
With a reminder of old news: Malaysia sent a RMAF evaluation team to Saab last year, looked at Gripen/Erieye for a number of days.





2011/05/28

[..]

Meanwhile, he said the RMAF's development plan included buying the muti-role combat aircraft, radars, sensors and the airborne early warning and control system.

The shopping list also include the F-16 Fighting Falcon and F/A-18E/F Super Hornets of the United States, Dassault Aviation's Rafael (sic!) from France and the Saab JAS 39 Gripen from Sweden.

"We are looking at acquiring between 12 and 18 ultra-modern fighter jets per squadron, to replace the aging MiG-29N Fulcrums by 2015. Ideally, we want to operate not more than two types of fighters for ease of logistics, maintenance and the like."

http://bit.ly/mJ00sS

(Now what the RMAF wants and what the RMAF gets is something different... they tried to get AEW's since about 1995.)

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signatory
05-30-2011, 12:52 PM
@tidls , check your PM's.

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Thailand hosts 8th ASEAN Air Forces meeting Jun 13-16. Members curious on #RTAF's #Gripen experience. Bangkok Post http://bit.ly/mPw28y


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Photo from Caslav open day. QRA Gripens and pals.

http://i.imgur.com/B7okIdotjpg

signatory
06-01-2011, 12:27 PM
Very good.

Link-16 operative on Gripen in OUP

After alot of discussions with NATO the Swedish jets can now link up to NATO's joint situational picture.

http://i.imgur.com/NV1m0dotjpg

Link-16 operative on #Gripen in #OUP since Monday. Photo: Loading MIDS terminal with crypto-keys (C) SAF/Levin #FL01


http://i.imgur.com/NiKfidotjpg
(C) SAF/Levin

Article in Swedish (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Libyen-UP/Nyheter-fran-Libyen/Operativa-med-Lank-16/)

jontew
06-01-2011, 04:07 PM
This month in the Gripen calendar:

http://i.imgur.com/tv8E9ldotjpg
http://imgur.com/tv8E9

I just love that picture...so much firepower in one place :D

signatory
06-03-2011, 01:45 AM
Bill Sweetman writes abt the Euro-canards / Gripen in the June issue of DTI http://bit.ly/k3eMKn

A snippet:

http://i.imgur.com/ass4wdotjpg

Milestones, Schmilestones.

signatory
06-04-2011, 03:50 PM
#OUP

Two stories in the news today.

1. SwAF Gripens fly Reconnaissance Missions & Combat Air Patrols during the same sortie, often refueling more than once.

I'm a bit puzzled as to why since it doesn't seem the number of sorties increased so either recce demand is lower or they need to take someone's NFZ slots. Flying CAP after Recce also means a longer delay until NATO get its images.

http://bit.ly/iJh94c

2.

The current Gripen mandate ends June 22. There's negotiations right now to see what the Swedish contribution will be after that.

From being the strongest voice on sending jets, the Social dems are now the loudest voice on taking them home (they changed leadership over that time). The Gov seems keen on keeping the jets but mumbles things like changing the role/definition.

Parties always agree on something behind closed doors and then parliament just verify it like a marionette army so right now it's not easy to say what will happen.

Most likely some middle-ground stuff with redefinition of words to avoid some parties losing face. The PM named a possible reduction on the number of jets and of course that wont do anything but reduce the backup capability and place highest risk on losing planned sorties.

http://bit.ly/k8HHv7

signatory
06-05-2011, 03:32 PM
^^ Yeap.. exactly what is happening. A little bit of everything. Do less for more money I would assume..

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OUP

82,500 images shot so far.

http://i.imgur.com/7oorJdotjpg
LITENING IIIG, SPK 39V, AMRAAM 120B, IRIS-T, BK27

http://i.imgur.com/x2I2Cdotjpg
Photos FL 01

Article (Swedish) http://bit.ly/ih8sGU

- google translate -


- We get an enormous amount of praise for the quality of the pictures we take and the reports we deliver, and above all to reports reach higher headquarters so quickly, complement Stefan Wilson.

Swing-role

In recent weeks, the JAS 39 Gripen's ability to swing-role has been used increasingly. After completion of the reconnaissance missions and air refueling, the pilots have been assigned for hunting role, instead of directly returning to base in Sicily. Every day there are a number of violations of the no-fly zone with helicopters and small propeller aircraft used to transport, bombrelease fire control for artillery.

JAS 39 Gripen has the ability to discriminate and identify slow-moving and low-flying air targets using fighter radar and designation pod, where the latter's video cameras can be used for visual target acquisition at long distances. Combined the radar and designation pod gives an ability many of the other aircraft in the coalition lacks.

- Our sensors and the fact that we always fly with fighter weapons, makes that during a mission we can help to enforce no-fly zone in several ways, says Stephen Wilson.

signatory
06-06-2011, 04:38 AM
BBC report from Linköping

Video and text (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13641934)

Rhys Williams from the Empire Test Pilots' School (http://www.qinetiq.com/home_etps/Who_we_are.html) chats during a walk-around. Vid (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13641418)

Russian Text version (http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/business/2011/06/110605_saab_gripen_project.shtml)

signatory
06-08-2011, 08:27 AM
To save political face the involved parties agreed to move 3 of the 8 jets from Sigonella to Sweden and to expand on the Recon role.


Swedish parties agree to extend Libya mission
June 8, 2011 share

Sweden's government and two major opposition parties announced Wednesday they had agreed to extend the country's military mission over Libya, which was set to end June 22, for three more months.

"The [Swedish] defense minister will officially announce the agreement" at a meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels, Foreign Minister Carl Bildt told reporters.

Speaking alongside representatives of the Green and Social Democrat parties, Bildt heralded a "strong and broad agreement" on the matter.

Sweden, which currently has eight of its Gripen fighter jets helping enforce the no-fly zone over Libya, will reduce the number to five but also lift the restrictions on what kind of surveillance missions the jets can carry out.

"We are also opening the door for the air surveillance to continue, even during a ceasefire," Bildt said.

Defence Minister Sten Tolgfors's spokesperson Mikael Oestlund meanwhile told AFP by telephone from Brussels that the new plan "should be considered an enhanced Swedish contribution, since there will no longer be restrictions on what kind of surveillance they can take part in."

The mission will also be broadened to include Swedish soldiers specially trained to operate on board ships, who will be under British command.

Sweden, which is not a member of NATO, announced in March it would participate in the NATO-led air campaign against Moammar Qaddafi's forces but said its warplanes would not carry out ground strikes - a condition also imposed under the new plan.

-AFP/NOW Lebanon (http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=279590)

signatory
06-08-2011, 12:40 PM
BAE offloads Saab aerospace stake

ByJohn O’Doherty in London

Published: June 8 2011 17:03 | Last updated: June 8 2011 17:03

BAE Systems has sold its remaining 10 per cent stake in the Swedish defence group Saab for £152m, bringing to an end its 16-year involvement in the company, which makes the Gripen fighter jet.

BAE is selling 11.2m shares for roughly £152m ($249m) representing just over 10 per cent of the group’s equity. This leaves the investment vehicles of Sweden’s Wallenberg family as Saab’s largest shareholder with an almost 30 per cent stake.

ft.com (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/6471d438-91e5-11e0-b8c1-00144feab49a.html#axzz1OhbArMzU)

http://i.imgur.com/g1KzC.gif

katjing
06-08-2011, 04:44 PM
To save political face the involved parties agreed to move 3 of the 8 jets from Sigonella to Sweden and to expand on the Recon role.
My impression is that Juholt is trying to win cheap political points by playing with Swedish foreign policy. Outrageously irresponsible it is the kind of thing best left to the communists, the greens, and other parties with little real power.

If the social democrats continue like this there will come a day when they are not welcome to the table to discuss Swedish foreign policy. That might not be good for Gripen.

Edit: I forgot to add that the media has been pretty hard on Juholt, making it impossible for him to save his face. He sure looks like a fool now.

Maktab
06-09-2011, 01:03 PM
Thanks for that Maktab.
This is why I addressed my comments to Swedes: I want to make sure info is not mixed up with who did what as it legally matters a great deal if something was done by a Swedish company or a British one. And for what product. I have no intention of dismissing corruption, in fact I think it's impossible to have any government without corruption. Hopefully more info can come out and clarify what went on. With experience in seeing Gripen-related news here, I for one am not a fan of accepting insinuations and rumours as facts hance my comments.

The way the rest of their reporting was done was pretty much pinning South Africa's social problems on JAS 39 and with such bias in reporting it is also right to question the info. Indeed I see Hlongwane was on BAE's paylist for a long time for an obvious classic corruption (or 'lobbyism' as politicians would say) arrangement, this was reported years ago.

The report was however very specific in that this was now Saab paying to secure the deal as he had ties with Modise. They didn't talk about anything else on that point which I ought they should have done (since Modise had already left office by the time of the highly mentioned Sanip contract).

Saab says they haven't seen any payments go out and the person signing the contract was a BAE employee (in itself a bit weird).

Fair enough. I just wanted to correct a couple of misconceptions in the post, as they downplayed the situation a bit too much. I don't doubt that BAE Systems is responsible for the shenanigans with Hlongwane, though I think Saab should've been more cautious in ensuring that they had better distanced themselves from BAE's more unsavoury actions. They were linked to Sanip, so they're going to catch some negative attention because of it. I doubt it'll go very far though.

(Sorry for the late reply, I missed your response amongst all the Libya updates)

signatory
06-10-2011, 07:51 AM
BALTOPS

http://i.imgur.com/ujG2Adotjpg
USS Philippine sea CG-58, German Tornado, Swedish Gripen

Article from 172 squadron about Baltops June 6-17. So far tasks has included defense of naval ships together with Danish F-16s and to attack ships together with German Tornados.

Försvarsmakten (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Blekinge-flygflottilj-F-17/Nyheter/BALTOPS--ur-pilotens-perspektiv/)

signatory
06-10-2011, 05:38 PM
Just tossing in two old photos of the spinchute installation.

http://i.imgur.com/0ZKzasdotjpg (http://imgur.com/0ZKza)http://i.imgur.com/IEHfMsdotjpg (http://imgur.com/IEHfM)

The one of 39-6 is from 2007 when testing new avionics.

BTW tell me if you want to be followed by the twitter account (http://twitter.com/gripennews). Not sure who is who :P Send a PM here or @ over there...

Upandaway
06-15-2011, 01:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqPgkNR23YE&feature=player_detailpage

Not a whole lot of news, but still kind of neat.

signatory
06-15-2011, 03:37 PM
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Denel Dynamics completes A-Darter integration on Gripen

http://i.imgur.com/d2FTUdotjpg

Helmoed-Römer Heitman

Denel Dynamics, the missile and UAV division of South Africa's Denel, has completed the integration of the A-Darter fifth-generation air-to-air missile with the Saab JAS39 Gripen after a series of six launches.

[...]

SAAF fighter pilots involved with the project, or with insight into the development, are impressed by the A-Darter and regard it as better in some respects than the IRIS-T and the other missiles in this class. Where it was once speculated that the SAAF might use the A-Darter only on the Hawk, the intention now seems to be to also arm the Gripen with the missile, but retaining the IRIS-T in order to give a dual capability. Since the two missiles have different profiles and features, this will confuse the tactical situation as seen by an opposing pilot,

Specific aspects of the A-Darter mentioned to by SAAF pilots include the absence, under favourable atmospheric conditions, of the tell-tale (aluminium oxide particle based) smoke trail (no aluminium is used in the rocket propellant), giving opposing fighter pilots no visual warning other than a very discrete launch flash.

These features, along with a considerable range advantage over most short-range air-to-air missiles (A-Darter is considered a near-BVR missile) make A-Darter a major threat for opposing pilots.

Other aspects drawing favourable comment include, a 90-degree look angle; the availability of coc-pit-selectable seeker scan patterns; quick target acquisition, which "rarely needs a second scan cycle", was told; after-launch scanning for lock-on-after-launch engagements, which is particularly valuable in "over the shoulder" engagements; and the 120-degrees per second track rate.

[...]

IHS Jane's DW (http://jmr.janes.com/public/jmr/index.shtml)
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-Max2-
06-15-2011, 03:53 PM
BALTOPS
http://i.imgur.com/ujG2Adotjpg
USS Philippine sea CG-58, German Tornado, Swedish Gripen
Försvarsmakten (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Blekinge-flygflottilj-F-17/Nyheter/BALTOPS--ur-pilotens-perspektiv/)

I spy a Maverick under that Gripen wing. :) A JAS-39A, right ?

signatory
06-15-2011, 04:23 PM
I spy a Maverick under that Gripen wing. :) A JAS-39A, right ?

Yeap! Very much so...

signatory
06-15-2011, 05:34 PM
NEWFIP

Slovakia June 6-10: Czech #Gripens took part in @NATO Electronic Warfare Force Integration Program with Slovak/UK

Photos from 211squadron ofc. Thanks to them!

http://i.imgur.com/dwQOzdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/jsuEBdotjpg

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From twitter..


Croatian Airshow
The highlight of this year's CIAV will be the HUAF JAS39C Gripen with SAAB's sim chalet at the show grounds.


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GripenNews
19th June: Nordic Air Show #NAS - Swedish Armed Forces’ air show & SwAF 85th anniversary http://bit.ly/iRmNB9 Program http://bit.ly/kl0F6o

Flying at #NAS: #Gripen 4-ship/CAS and Spitfire/Mustang/Hornet/Baltic Bees L-39/Draken/Lansen/Tunnan/Vampire/B-17/Hawker Hunter/SU-29/A109

There's a VIP/rehearsal day with a air power seminar on the 18th. Saab will also be at NAS. Should be a pretty good weekend.

Dompedidomp
06-16-2011, 07:55 PM
Saab admits R24-million bribe paid to clinch arms deal

Swedish defence group Saab on Thursday admitted that millions were paid to clinch a South African contract for fighter jets but said its erstwhile British partner BAE Systems had paid the bribes.

Saab said R24-million had been paid by BAE in the form of bonuses and salaries between 2003 and 2005 for the deal involving 26 JAS Gripen fighters.

The comments came after Sweden's TV4 television channel said it had evidence Saab had promised to pay Fana Hlongwane, then advisor to the South African defence minister and also serving as a consultant to the Swedish firm, millions of euros in bonuses if Pretoria did not back out of the Gripen deal.

Saab said R24-million had been paid by its South African subsidiary Sanip, which was then controlled by BAE Systems.

Saab president and chief executive Haakan Bushke denied responsibility, saying in a statement: "A person employed by BAE systems has without Saab's knowledge signed for us an unknown contract, signed for us up until now unknown transactions ..."

BAE Systems said last week it had sold its stake in Saab for £152-million.

The 1999 deal with South Africa provided for the sale of 28 jets for about R15.5-billion but this was later whittled down to 26. The last plane is due to be delivered next year. -- AFP

http://mg.co.za/article/2011-06-16-saab-admits-r24million-bribe-paid-to-clinch-arms-deal/

signatory
06-20-2011, 05:34 AM
^^ Hah ofc they didn't admit that.

Perhaps a bit more balanced:

Arms deal payments ‘could be legal’

Defence specialist says the payment of R24m to Fana Hlongwane may have been legal.

WYNDHAM HARTLEY
Published: 2011/06/20 06:33:13 AM

CAPE TOWN — The payment of R24m to so-called defence consultant Fana Hlongwane may have been legal unless he was working for the state at the time of the payments, defence specialist Helmoed-Romer Heitman said yesterday.

link (http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=146190)

SAABs statement (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2011---6/Saab-completes-internal-investigation-regarding-consultant-contract-in-South-Africa/)

Details (http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/About%20Saab/Newsroom/News/Financial_Documents/SANIP_110616.pdf)(Swedish)

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2 #Gripen from Czech QRA visiting MAS'11 #airshow vid:airservicemen


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPkHhGCm1k8

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Final flight of JAS 39A at F 17 Blekinge Wing - Now on to #Gripen C/D! (C) Löving/FM

http://i.imgur.com/EJlQFdotjpg

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Nordic Air Show

http://i.imgur.com/po1nAdotjpg
(c)FM, from Rehearsal day

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Sweden sent #Gripen to I.D Russian ELINT plane with transponder issues 6.14, met up with Mirages

http://i.imgur.com/XXnREsdotjpg (http://imgur.com/XXnRE)http://i.imgur.com/pBPo0sdotjpg (http://imgur.com/pBPo0)http://i.imgur.com/CeXp9sdotjpg (http://imgur.com/CeXp9)

link (http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/autres-operations/operation-baltic-2011/actualites/baltic-2011-2-mirage-2000-francais-en-interception-rejoints-par-2-jas-39-gripen-suedois)

signatory
06-20-2011, 10:00 AM
Volvo Aero launches unique tool for calculating engine component life

by Corporate Communications, Volvo Aero

In conjunction with the opening of the Paris International Air Show on Monday, Volvo Aero will launch the Volvo Life Tracking System, a unique method for accurately calculating usage of critical engine components. The system has been developed primarily for the Swedish Gripen aircraft.

The Volvo Life Tracking System gives the Swedish Air Force the potential to significantly reduce costs for spare parts while increasing availability and flight safety.


Work with Life Tracking System started at the end of the 1990s. Since then, engineers at Volvo Aero has developed this advanced system through a number of means to be able to state the level of wear in the various parts of an engine with a high degree of precision. In this case, the engine type is the RM12 which is installed in the Gripen aircraft.

Volvo Life Tracking System gathers data from each flight; flight time, aircraft speeds, engine speeds, temperatures, pressures and a range of other parameters.

”Unlike other systems, Volvo Life Tracking System is not based upon an anticipated use of an aircraft and engine. Instead, it registers exactly how the engine components are affected by the actual flights in which the engine has been a part. It is this that makes the system unique,” explains Magnus Andersson, Development Engineer at Volvo Aero.

The more we know about wear in engine components, the more precisely we can say when it is time to replace them. It is not necessary to have engineers calculating when parts need to be replaced – everything happens automatically. This is being monitored by the Life Tracking System, together with the customers’ maintenance systems. With this engine maintenance equivalent of Just in Time, the customer will be able to save time, reduce spare parts costs and further improve flight safety.

”This means that the Swedish Air Force can reduce its costs while availability of the Gripen aircraft is increased. This can also involve an additional competitive advantage for the Gripen in the export market, where there is an increasing focus on cost per flight hour,” says Rune Hyrefeldt, Manager Military Programs.

Air Forces in Sweden, Hungary and the Czech Republic will initially make use of the Volvo Life Tracking System, potentially followed by other Gripen customers.

In the slightly longer-term, the Volvo Life Tracking System could even be used by other Air Forces and in the commercial sector.

”We see a major potential in terms of the cost savings this system can bring to commercial and military customers,” says Rune Hyrefeldt.

volvo (http://www.volvoaero.com/volvoaero/se/sv-se/newsmedia/press%20releases/_layouts/CWP.Internet.VolvoCom/NewsItem.aspx?News.ItemId=104383&News.Language=sv-see)

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NAS 19.6

http://i.imgur.com/4OjLgdotjpg
Mats Carlsson/Försvarsmakten

signatory
06-21-2011, 03:37 AM
PARIS: Saab's Gripen NG demonstrator visits Le Bourget
By Craig Hoyle

Saab's Gripen NG was due to touch down at Le Bourget as the crowds drifted away on Monday evening, with the manufacturer to showcase its new-technology fighter demonstrator to several delegations over the next two days.

Arriving from the Swedish manufacturer's Linköping site, the NG will be on static display here with new avionics equipment and Rockwell Collins displays in its rear cockpit. Previously used in the completed Gripen Demo programme, the NG airframe was returned to the air on 19 May after a refit. Still featuring baseline avionics in the front seat, it has since been flown around 20 times.

[...]

"What we're doing now with the avionics is a much bigger step than achieving supercruise with the Demo," said Peter Nilsson, Saab's head of air domain, referring to successful work in which the Gripen gained the ability to sustain supersonic flight without the use of afterburner.

Following the completion of avionics testing later this year, the NG will be equipped with Selex Galileo's ES-05 Raven active electronically scanned array radar.

"The next aircraft will be coming in October 2013, and is being built from scratch as an NG," said Nilsson. This will bring a new look for the Gripen, with a longer fuselage, increased wingspan and new engine inlets.

[...]
Flightglobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/06/21/358377/paris-saabs-gripen-ng-demonstrator-visits-le-bourget.html)

jaegermeistr
06-21-2011, 04:29 AM
"The next aircraft will be coming in October 2013, and is being built from scratch as an NG," said Nilsson. This will bring a new look for the Gripen, with a longer fuselage, increased wingspan and new engine inlets.

How will that affect the STOL capability? Still fit for our swedish road based system?

signatory
06-21-2011, 09:34 AM
How will that affect the STOL capability? Still fit for our swedish road based system?

Hm see no reason why these things would affect STOL at all, still the low landing speed and sink rate, with all wheel brake system, airbrakes and canards. If anything, I would bet on STOL to see improvements with the new design and more thrust.

Natter
06-21-2011, 01:07 PM
PARIS: Saab's Gripen NG demonstrator visits Le Bourget
By Craig Hoyle


"The next aircraft will be coming in October 2013, and is being built from scratch as an NG," said Nilsson. This will bring a new look for the Gripen, with a longer fuselage, increased wingspan and new engine inlets.

[...]
Flightglobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/06/21/358377/paris-saabs-gripen-ng-demonstrator-visits-le-bourget.html)

Good, a couple of months ago the official take off date for 39-8 was in october, but not 2013...

signatory
06-21-2011, 07:25 PM
Why Saab Isn't Blowing the Gripen Trumpet
Posted by Christina Mackenzie at 6/21/2011 1:13 PM CDT

Why hasn't Saab made more of a song and dance about advertising the performance of the eight Gripen aircraft that have been operating in Libya?

Because, according to Håken Buskhe, Saab's CEO, “we didn't feel it was right to market Gripen's performance in Libya” because it would be taking advantage of ordinary Libyan's difficult daily lives. He also specified that it was the Swedish government's decision to limit the Gripen's task to reconnaissance and air space defense missions, and when necessary “they can shoot things down.”

Buskhe, talking at a press conference during the Paris Air Show, said the Gripens had clocked up more than 600 hours in “surveillance and other missions” in Libya.

ARES (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a333465a4-cda5-4f59-8a63-621cf69e8e64)

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By ANDREW CHUTER • PARIS — Efforts to use the Libyan bombing campaign to showcase the capabilities of weapons has been labeled poor taste by the chief executive of Saab.

Speaking to reporters as the second day of the air show opened, Hakan Buskhe said Saab had rejected the idea of using the UN campaign to stop troops loyal to Col. Gaddafi from harming civilians to promote its equipment.

“We couldn’t really do that,” he said. “It’s gaining [marketing] momentum on a people who are having a hard time. For us, it doesn’t really feel right to market in that way.”

[...]

Buskhe’s words followed criticism of the practice recently by Italian Air Force Chief Lt. Gen. Giuseppe Bernardis. In a recent interview with Defense News, the Italian air force chief said, “I was joking with someone that they had transferred Le Bourget to Libya. It is a cynical view but we have seen evidence of that….. Le Bourget should stay in Paris and Farnborough should stay in the UK. One can start talking about being combat proven at the end of the operation but not during. An operation is a serious thing.”


Defense News (http://defensenews.com/blogs/paris-air-show-2011/2011/06/22/saab-ceo-don%E2%80%99t-use-libyan-combat-for-marketing/)

signatory
06-22-2011, 10:35 AM
Gripen passes 160 000 flight hours during mission over Libya

22 June 2011, in News

Saab Gripen Multi Role fighters are now flying with great success in five different air forces around the world. Integration of new weapons and capabilities are ongoing and the demonstrator for the future Gripen NG has been flying with new avionics and displays since May 19.

Gripen is also now operational in Thailand following delivery to the Royal Thai Air Force in February of the first six aircraft, out of a total requirement of twelve. Thailand now formally joins Sweden, South Africa, Hungary, the Czech Republic and the UK based Empire Test Pilot School as a Gripen user.

Another first is the Swedish participation in the NATO led operation ‘Unified Protector’ over Libya. Since April 2 eight Gripen fighters, based at the Sigonella air base in Sicily, are flying daily reconnaissance and air supremacy missions. So far more than 300 recce missions have produced over 80 000 photos.

Among the upgrades of the existing Gripen C/D fleet, two new weapons are being integrated. In May Denel Dynamics, South Africa, completed the integration of the A-Darter fifth generation air-to-air missile on Gripen. While at the Vidsel test range in Sweden Saab is integrating Small Diameter Bombs on the Swedish Air Force Gripen.

On May 19 the Gripen NG demonstrator aircraft flew with new avionics for the first time. At this stage of flight testing, after almost 200 flights, an open system architecture avionics system that separate flight critical from mission critical functionality is integrated in the aircraft. Also integrated are new Tactical Mission Computers, Ethernet networks and new Rockwell Collins displays.

Saab (http://bit.ly/jUqyVC)

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Handover ceremony in Thailand should happen 7/7.

Dr Freud
06-22-2011, 04:09 PM
Following the completion of avionics testing later this year, the NG will be equipped with Selex Galileo's ES-05 Raven active electronically scanned array radar.

Is this referring to the decoupling of flight avionics & weapons systems, or the completion of the radar ?

signatory
06-25-2011, 11:56 AM
I believe the first pre-production model of the radar will be delivered at the end of summer.

More Thai pilots and techies have graduated

http://i.imgur.com/OVmzAdotjpg
(c) RTAF

signatory
06-28-2011, 12:09 AM
http://i.imgur.com/4p5h4dotjpg
Gripen Demo at Paris Air Show Photo: David DAGOURET .aeroweb-fr.net


5 years

Again thanks to contributers, readers and mods on this 5-year anniversary of GNT at mp.net (actually on 26/6).

Some stats... GNT had abt 1,26 million views since start, the first 2,5 years produced only 300,000 views. Next 2,5 years added 960,000 with ~250,000 of those just since the new year. And we haven't even had anything special to talk about for a while p-)

So all things considered and views themselves dont say much, it's nice to see interest in Gripen and our air forces. Summer is always slow but I believe we will get some nice shots from Thailand soon and then there's RIAT ofc :)

http://i.imgur.com/zauTKdotjpg

Yup.

#1

MoriartySE
06-28-2011, 07:38 AM
Happy anniversary!

I've followed this thread for some years now being interested in military aviation in general but Gripen in particular. This is indeed the no 1 source for information for people like myself (with no connections to aviation industry). One could only wish this thread had some more to cover about successful sales/exports... :)

cheers!

kme
06-30-2011, 01:21 PM
Can anybody point me to a reference to point out the price per flying hour of a Gripen?

In Denmark (which is looking to a replacemnet of F-16s) there is a public fight between LM and Boeing about prices. LM (Tom Burbage, LM) first claims that F-35A can be purchased for just 65 million USD which is a sort of amusing by itself (Hello Norway - what is your price?). Boeing (Christopher Chadwick, Boeing) counter claims that F-18 Super Hornet with a unit price of 53 million USD has an hourly flying price of 66.000 DKK (~12,000 USD) while F-35 is 90.000 DKK (~16,300 USD).

My impression is that Gripen is way cheaper to operate.

Source: http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Penge/2011/06/30/162836.htm (National Danish Broadcast - in Danish, but Google Translate should do a decent job).

Slenke
06-30-2011, 01:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/4p5h4dotjpg
Gripen Demo at Paris Air Show Photo: David DAGOURET .aeroweb-fr.net


5 years

Again thanks to contributers, readers and mods on this 5-year anniversary of GNT at mp.net (actually on 26/6).

Some stats... GNT had abt 1,26 million views since start, the first 2,5 years produced only 300,000 views. Next 2,5 years added 960,000 with ~250,000 of those just since the new year. And we haven't even had anything special to talk about for a while p-)

So all things considered and views themselves dont say much, it's nice to see interest in Gripen and our air forces. Summer is always slow but I believe we will get some nice shots from Thailand soon and then there's RIAT ofc :)

http://i.imgur.com/zauTKdotjpg

Yup.

#1
Why do they have this "adapter-thingy" under the outer pylon where the Meteor is? Must be bad for the RCS. Why not have the "adapter" bolted right to the wing instead of a pylon?

Dr Freud
06-30-2011, 02:01 PM
"The main advantage of Gripen is low operating cost in comparison with larger aircraft equipped with two engines,"
says de la Motte. "Now for the Flygvapnet [Swedish air force] the cost per flight hour is less than $3,000 and for
the export customers it will be less than $5,000, including maintenance, spare parts, fuel and manpower."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/13/343778/farnborough-saab-plots-bright-future-for-gripen-programme.html

Another aspect, Gripen highlights is its low cost in comparison to its competitors in the MMRCA.
“We’re about half the cost of our closest single engine competitor and we’re about 25 per cent of the twin-engine aircraft,”
he says.
de la Motte
http://www.stratpost.com/gripen-hardsells-new-aesa-radar-low-cost-for-mmrca

159238

signatory
06-30-2011, 04:11 PM
Why do they have this "adapter-thingy" under the outer pylon where the Meteor is? Must be bad for the RCS. Why not have the "adapter" bolted right to the wing instead of a pylon?

Without the long technical answer: Without a pylon they couldnt drop bombs/rbs-15f etc. Without the rail launcher no missiles. Upside is that they both contain counter-measures.. a fully kitted Gripen can carry abt 800 expendables.

signatory
07-02-2011, 01:59 AM
Saab receives order from FMV regarding Gripen system

1 July 2011, in Press Release

Defence and security company Saab has received an order amounting to MSEK 1,034 from FMV (the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration) for system maintenance and development studies regarding Gripen.

In accordance with the order from FMV, Saab will undertake continual maintenance and updates for the Gripen C/D in compliance with the Swedish Armed Forces' long-term planning for the Gripen system.

Saab will also implement studies regarding further development and basic resources will be provided to perform renewed testing and verification of the Gripen system in the long-term.

Saab will also maintain the Gripen C/D system's operational capability. The order includes technical support, product maintenance, flight testing and flight simulator operation to ensure the operational capability of the Gripen system.

The total order amounts to MSEK 1,034 with the activities to be carried out during 2011.

Saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2011---7/Saab-receives-order-from-FMV-regarding-Gripen-system/)

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http://i.imgur.com/sGfFHdotjpg

A Gripen 39 CD fighter jet, left, takes to the sky over the Phi Phi islands in the Andaman Sea during a test flight alongside a Saab-340 AEW/B. The aircraft will be officially commissioned at Wing 7 air base in Surat Thani on July 7. Photo by Surapol Promsaka Na Sakolnakorn. Bangkok Post.

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The OUP Gripen refueling from USAF KC-10.

http://i.imgur.com/Czy3Jdotjpg
(c) FL01

Tomorrow the new force FL 02 will take over. Even before this the recon mandate change as parliament voted in favor of the extension. FL 01 could until then only recce on stuff relating to the No Fly Zone. NATO apparently really like the SPK-39 recce capability and asked for more so now there's no restrictions at all on what they can look for and report. Until Friday FL 01 had produced 130,000 images and 675 intel reports.

More (http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Libyen-UP/Nyheter-fran-Libyen/Halv-styrka-full-effekt/)
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Swiss DefMin Maurer visited Sweden 27-28/6. (http://www.cash.ch/news/alle/maurer_fuehrt_in_schweden_gespraeche_ueber_armee_und_sicherheit-1050658-448) Gripen among topics. Switzerland recently reactivated stalled process.

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http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Gripen/Gripen%20Calendar%202011/First%20page/July%20284x206%20pxdotjpg

July calendar (http://www.saabgroup.com/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-Calendar-2011/)

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An officer and a gentlewoman

One more article (http://www.leadershiponline.co.za/articles/leading-ladies/1400-an-officer-and-a-gentlewoman)about female Gripen pilot C. Labuschagne in the SAAF. This time in Leadership Magazine.

signatory
07-03-2011, 01:01 AM
GFF / FS 2020

Adding a few additional sheets of info from LiU about this study that might be of general interest.

For new readers: Previous info about GFF / FS2020(25) is already available in the thread and youtube.

http://i.imgur.com/nVtBCdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/VxAgPdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/FGKRddotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/bMNSBdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/DVjPVdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/aZICldotjpg

Ref: C. Jouannet LiU

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If you're a Swede and want to design aircraft then Saab is hiring.

System engineer concept development of complete aircraft system

Your workplace
Aeronautics, a business area of Saab, offers advanced airborne systems, related subsystems, unmanned aerial systems, aerostructures and services to defence customers and commercial aerospace industries worldwide. Aeronautics is also responsible for development, production, marketing, selling and supporting of the Gripen fighter.

Your place of work will be in the section ”Overall design and Survivability” within the area ”System integration”, where focus lies on development and coherence of complete aircraft systems from an overall perspective. Development of product concepts for new aircraft is one of our core activities. We are a small group with a broad competence that focuses on development of aerial vehicle techniques.

By way of internal studies, national projects and international collaboration, we are working with new product concepts and aim to give way for Saab to participate in the development of future aircraft systems. Working closely with Operational analysis, we are developing concepts with balanced requirements for aircraft systems which meet the customers needs in a cost effective way. We are also responsible for technical competitor analyses of other aircraft systems.

Your role
Your task will be to develop and analyze new aircraft systems in cooperation with Operational analysis and relevant expertise within Saab. The work covers a wide field and a cross section of technical areas and comprises everything from shaping to system design. The concepts are tested and analyzed parametrical in our own analyze tools whilst the geometry and layout are defined in CATIA. You will most likely be representing Saab in international collaborations, which will involve some travel.

Saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Career/Vacancies/System-engineer-concept-development-of-complete-aircraft-system1/)

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Or maybe just enjoy what other's done already... ;)

Czech tiger 39C at Airpower11 in Austria.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrgxGAXYhZ4
UL:sacithepower

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Ty MoriartySE btw.

kirtap
07-03-2011, 06:13 AM
Regarding FS2020, here is a picture of one of the alternative designs, discarded because of flutter caused from the winglets.
http://i.imgur.com/U2vCU.png

There was also buzz about building a demonstrator without vertical stabilizers, utilizing a fludiic thrust vectoring concept from Volvo Aero to make up for the loss of yaw-control, (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/pdfb/documents/usapp/patent_pdf/2008/010/US20080104940/pdf/US20080104940.pdf), I don't know if that materalized though.

Apan76
07-03-2011, 07:07 AM
According to http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Career/Vacancies/System-engineer-concept-development-of-complete-aircraft-system1/


... Knowledge of French or other languages is seen as an added qualification...

The reason for this? Does Saab have any collaboration with Dassault on the FS2020?

Martel
07-03-2011, 08:07 AM
Neuron UCAV demonstrator will be integrated in France, and Sweden participates in the program IIRC.

signatory
07-03-2011, 08:13 AM
There was also buzz about building a demonstrator without vertical stabilizers, utilizing a fludiic thrust vectoring concept from Volvo Aero to make up for the loss of yaw-control, (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/pdfb/documents/usapp/patent_pdf/2008/010/US20080104940/pdf/US20080104940.pdf), I don't know if that materalized though.

Good 1st post.

Hm the EIKON studies for a stealth UCAV like that (post-Filur design) was at least used as a model in intake/radar/ir measurements and such. And for it they picked Volvo Aero's "Nozzle 6.0" which was VAC's (at the time) conclusive TVC/LO nozzle design built in its FoT25 program for a complete LO propulsion system.

Never heard of any flights with the VAC TVC/LO design but the results from studies show pretty amazingly low signatures. In that patent they seems to show a drawing of the EIKON.

@Apan76

Neh don't connect the news to FS 2020-ish studies.. it's a broad position they announced. Indeed Neuron matters.

+ regarding GFF/FS2020, let's keep in mind that FMV and industry is always in a continuous study phase with an eye on the future.. always. We just need to wait and see what will actually happen in the long run for the armed forces - that's a different question all together. (especially since our politicians think it's more cool to own a loss-making airline with passenger jets than to support R&D needed for national defense... )

kme
07-03-2011, 04:46 PM
"The main advantage of Gripen is low operating cost in comparison with larger aircraft equipped with two engines,"
says de la Motte. "Now for the Flygvapnet [Swedish air force] the cost per flight hour is less than $3,000 and for
the export customers it will be less than $5,000, including maintenance, spare parts, fuel and manpower."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/13/343778/farnborough-saab-plots-bright-future-for-gripen-programme.html
The link is wrong. I've tried to google for the original reference, but didn't find it.

alvedon
07-03-2011, 06:37 PM
The link is wrong. I've tried to google for the original reference, but didn't find it.

the quote is from that article, the text quoted is under the 3rd picture.

kme
07-04-2011, 02:44 AM
the quote is from that article, the text quoted is under the 3rd picture.Thank you - i must getting blind :-(

signatory
07-07-2011, 07:38 AM
http://i.imgur.com/RWPm1dotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/SgtuDdotjpg

ASTV (http://manager.co.th/Local/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9540000083514)

Thai's getting a 39A as a gift too, not flyable ofc but still.

signatory
07-08-2011, 11:32 AM
Thailand's first ever non-US supersonic fighter.

http://i.imgur.com/KA1XDdotjpg
(c) RTAF

http://i.imgur.com/j9ruVdotjpghttp://i.imgur.com/IVo3Idotjpghttp://i.imgur.com/Yb80Udotjpg
(c) TAN Network

So good luck Wing 7 woot

jontew
07-08-2011, 03:00 PM
Very nice! Good luck to Thailand! Hope they enjoy their new toys ;)

Flak
07-08-2011, 03:58 PM
Looking good Thailand!


Gripen and that airborne radarstation is a potent combination!



Isn't Thailand something like Sweden's 6:th or 7:th city because
of all the swedish tourists that's there?

;-)

signatory
07-13-2011, 10:11 AM
UK Empire Test Pilots’ School continues use of Gripen

13 July 2011, in News

Trainee test pilots at ETPS (Empire Test Pilots’ School) continues its successful co-operation with Sweden and Saab using the Gripen fighter aircraft. ETPS, Britain’s world-class flight test training school, is operated by QinetiQ in partnership with the UK Ministry of Defence.

SAAB (http://www.saabgroup.com/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2011---7/UKs-Empire-Test-Pilots-School-continues-use-of-Gripen/)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1axJnVwf7A
By Skywalker team / nopmedia5

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Spotted: SAAF jet #22 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgimbert/5927460651/in/photostream)

signatory
07-24-2011, 10:57 AM
The full 7-minute display at RIAT 16.7 by F 7 display pilot Anders Björk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beQtfTVM8q0
UL: blizzardthewatcher

It's a 39A.

Swingrole
07-28-2011, 05:52 AM
Change Of Engine: A Story From The Libyan Deployment


The Gripen engine change procedure famously beat the hour during the Indian Air Force trials for the MMRCA. A recent requirement in Sicily for an engine change for a Swedish Air Force JAS 39 demonstrated how the aircraft manages to clock in a changeover time of a couple of hours even in the most complex of situations and the ribbing among engineers that happens when it takes a little more. For an aircraft that commits itself to availability, the Sicily episode was yet another confirmation of the commitment.

"From the time the engine was ordered until it was replaced and tested, it took about 36 hours. Good job."

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_y-YVv44Ef0/TixRI7du17I/AAAAAAAAAz0/FututvmT1s0/s1600/Johan%252520Brolin-F%2525c3%2525b6rsvarsmaktendotjpg

Read full article: http://www.gripenindia.com/2011/07/change-of-engine-story-from-libyan.html

Elbs
07-28-2011, 05:57 AM
Cool news. I bet when they were designing the Gripen they didn't expect they'd be flying over African deserts and Asian jungles!

signatory
07-29-2011, 09:18 AM
1000 Flight hours in support of Op Unified Protector

Since FL 02 took over a month ago with a reduced number of jets they have flown 250 hours.

http://i.imgur.com/yOIzzdotjpg
(c) Flygvapnet

Swedish article (http://flygvapenbloggen.se/2011/07/29/tiden-gar-valdigt-fort/)

Chimera
07-31-2011, 02:49 PM
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=7254866&c=EUR&s=AIR


JOHANNESBURG, South Africa - South African police have reopened their investigation into a controversial arms deal after Swedish defense group Saab admitted bribes were paid to clinch a contract, according to a July 31 report.

Officials will approach authorities in Sweden and Britain to find out what their investigations have uncovered about allegations of corruption in the 1999 deal for 26 JAS Gripen fighter jets, South Africa's Sunday Times reported.

Very interesting...

MattR
08-03-2011, 01:12 PM
From the "Ares" blog:

The new engine offers up to a 20 percent thrust boost. That would take the EPE up to 26,500 pounds of thrust, giving it the best thrust/weight ratio of any fighter engine -- almost 11:1. Alternatively (an option understood to be attracting interest at Saab) the EPE could be delivered with a 10 percent uprate and very generous temperature margins, extending its life and reducing fighter life-cycle costs.

The EPE "will not make much difference at an air show", says Boeing chief test pilot Ric Traven, but dramatically improves the fighter's performance at high speed and altitude, halving supersonic acceleration times. For the Gripen, the extra thrust would translate into further-improved supercruise (supersonic level flight without afterburner) capability."

The 20% extra thrust could also be a significant plus for the envisioned STOBAR variant of the Gripen NG.

MattR
08-03-2011, 01:21 PM
More on the Sea Gripen @ Aviation Week (May 24, 2011)


Saab Locates Sea Gripen Work In U.K.

[...]

The decision to base the work in London is linked to design expertise in the U.K. rather than the fact the British government is moving to a catapult-and-arresting-gear carrier approach. Instead, India and Brazil are seen as potential customers for the Sea Gripen.

[...]

Saab has drawn up a list of companies it is interested in approaching for partnership on the Sea Gripen, but BAE Systems—Saab’s main partner previously on the Gripen development program—is not among them. “We haven’t been focused on BAE Systems. We have come to the conclusion that we should not try that again,” Buskhe says.

[...]

Full article (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awx/2011/05/24/awx_05_24_2011_p0-327148.xml&channel=defense)

MattR
08-03-2011, 01:28 PM
Another one on Sea Gripen @ Defense News (June 20, 2011) :


Sweden Looks Abroad for Sea Gripen Partners

[...]

The final Sea Gripen design will be intended for CATOBAR (catapult assisted takeoff but arrested recovery) as well as STOBAR (short takeoff but arrested recovery) operations, targeting smaller-sized carriers with a displacement as low as 25,000 tons. (emphasis added)

[...]

Preliminary estimates by Saab and Sweden's MoD suggest it would cost up to $1 billion to take a Sea Gripen carrier-version to the production stage. (emphasis added)

[...]

Full article (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6862655&c=FEA&s=SPE)

MattR
08-04-2011, 09:51 AM
Interestingly, SAAB seems to have somehow revised their cost estimates for the Sea Gripen since July 2010. From Flight International (July 13, 2010) :


FARNBOROUGH: Saab plots bright future for Gripen programme

[...]

The Sea Gripen will not be developed by Sweden alone, due to its lack of an aircraft carrier, but potential partners could include Brazil and India, who have been offered to do work in their own countries.

De la Motte says the "cost of that programme will be a couple of billion Swedish crowns; more than one billion. It will be half of the Gripen NG's development programme cost."

[...]

Full article (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/13/343778/farnborough-saab-plots-bright-future-for-gripen-programme.html)

Back in July 2010, the exchange rate was SEK 1.00 ~ USD 0.135, so a couple of billion Swedish crowns would be about $270 millions.

signatory
08-07-2011, 06:31 PM
Good grades to Swedish Libya contribution
Sweden | 2011-08-05 |

- We can feel the seriousness in this mission. I mean we are here to protect people down there who are suffering, says a Swedish pilot to Svenska Dagbladet.

When a Gripen jet comes back from a mission, a group of technicians thrown themselves into the plane to download all the digital photos who are shortly after analysed by specialists. Two hours after, the reconnaisance report is on the desk of the NATO high quarter.

The Swedes' efficiency and quality is appreciated:

- If there is a special target that NATO is interested in, they prefer the Swedes to perform the mission. This makes me a little bit proud, says the commander of the Swedish air force unit Fredrik Bergman to Svenska Dagbladet.

Lack of reconnaisance planes

The Swedish contribution of five planes amongst the 240 in the international mission in Libya may seem insignificant. But if we look at only the reconnaisance planes, Sweden represent a quarter and of the reconnaiance flights Sweden delivers 37 percent of the reports.

Article (http://www.stockholmnews.com/more.aspx?NID=7603)


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Army spends Ft 500 million on kerosene for Gripen fighters
By MTI

The Hungarian army has purchased kerosene jet fuel for 500 million forints (EUR 1.8m) for its Gripen fighters in order to ensure sufficient training for pilots, daily Nepszabadsag said on Wednesday.

Source (http://www.politics.hu/20110804/army-spends-ft-500-million-on-kerosene-for-gripen-fighters/)



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http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Gripen/Gripen%20Calendar%202011/Second%20page/August%20365x263%20pxdotjpg

August Calendar (http://www.saabgroup.com/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-Calendar-2011/)

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http://i.imgur.com/9XTfadotjpg
Swedish pilots use Glock 19

More photos from NAS Sigonella (http://www.svd.se/nyheter/utrikes/svenskar-spanar-pa-hetaste-krigszonen_6372830.svd) (with Swedish article)

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Apan76
08-08-2011, 01:17 PM
Is it news that the Hungarians buy fuel? Am I missing something here?

Chimera
08-08-2011, 01:20 PM
Is it news that the Hungarians buy fuel? Am I missing something here?

It would be indeed very wise to purchase kerozene from time to time so these birds would not be completely useless.

signatory
08-08-2011, 02:03 PM
Is it news that the Hungarians buy fuel? Am I missing something here?

Yes you are. Read the article.

signatory
08-09-2011, 12:13 AM
A photo from the SDB (http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/missiles/sdb/index.html)-integration can be viewed here (http://i.imgur.com/ikkBVdotjpg). Boeing bombs raised to a Miniature Munitions Smart Rack BRU-61/A.

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Slenke
08-09-2011, 09:47 AM
A photo from the SDB (http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/missiles/sdb/index.html)-integration can be viewed here (http://i.imgur.com/ikkBVdotjpg). Boeing bombs raised to a Miniature Munitions Smart Rack BRU-61/A.

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On that picture it looks like there is only room for two bombs? Or will the Gripen carry four bombs on each "rack"?

JohanGrön
08-09-2011, 10:11 AM
On that picture it looks like there is only room for two bombs? Or will the Gripen carry four bombs on each "rack"?

There are place for four (4) SDBs on the BRU-61/A rack. Check out this PDF from the good people of Cobham :

http://www.cobham.com/media/58974/bru-61a-900-071-0209.pdf

Specifications
Payload Capacity 4 SDB Weapons
Weight 330 lb empty (145 kg)
1,460 lb loaded (664 kg)
Dimensions 143" x 14" x 14"
(363 cm x 36 cm x 36 cm)

signatory
08-09-2011, 01:44 PM
Yeah really only seeing half of the rack in that photo.

Raytheon just demonstrated SDB II coolness btw.


TUCSON, Ariz., Aug. 8, 2011 /PRNewswire/ (http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1885&pagetemplate=release)-- A series of laboratory tests on the Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) Small Diameter Bomb II tri-mode seeker demonstrated that it exceeds anticipated performance parameters.


Raytheon’s GBU-53/B (http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/sdbii/)incorporates an improved seeker that features three modes of operation: millimeter-wave radar, uncooled imaging infrared, and semi-active laser.

Swingrole
08-10-2011, 07:05 AM
New Gripen Ad For MMRCA Says A Lot


LIVEFIST Aug 10, 2011

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2jIr9wv5yNQ/TkJXuqx9baI/AAAAAAAANhA/Q-0n5-J_-oE/s400/IMG-20110810-00051-780847dotjpg


This very interesting advert for the Gripen NG appears in the current edition of India's biggest news magazine, India Today. It says a lot of things. One, it appears three months after the Gripen was officially eliminated from the Indian MMRCA competition. Two, and more interestingly, Saab's creative concept has shifted away from simply highlighting the Gripen's virtues (also of "autonomy" and "independence"), and now takes a direct shot at the two finalists in the competition -- the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale -- on cost and stated capability. In short, Saab believes it still has a chance, and this fight isn't finished.

In one part, the advert says, "Performance counts when aircraft are in the air, defending the skies. Unfortunately, too many fighter aircraft are either sitting on the ground because they are too expensive to fly or simply do not have the capabilities that they were touted to have." Ouch.

Read article: http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/08/new-gripen-ad-for-mmrca-says-lot.html

TheCorruptedOne
08-10-2011, 09:03 AM
In one part, the advert says, "Performance counts when aircraft are in the air, defending the skies. Unfortunately, too many fighter aircraft are either sitting on the ground because they are too expensive to fly or simply do not have the capabilities that they were touted to have." Ouch.

Brilliant! Swedes at their best ;) But indeed, this is probably the area where Gripen beats all its competition and why it would be my plane of choice.

Kunal Biswas
08-10-2011, 11:57 AM
It was once Gripen spec was all what IAF needed after knowing Mir-2000 are no longer available..


the Gripen NG was found non-compliant with the IAF’s tender requirements on 51 counts, of which 43 relate to the critical Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar.

Though as per IAF Gripen was out coz of its radar, their are no issues with Engines as both Gripen and LCA1 & 2 using the same..

Dompedidomp
08-10-2011, 07:41 PM
Unfortunately, too many fighter aircraft are either sitting on the ground because they are too expensive to fly or simply do not have the capabilities that they were touted to have.

The South African Air Force cannot afford to put its new Gripen jet fighters into flight for the required number of hours
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14827:gripens-flight-hours-suffer-under-austere-budget-&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Defense cuts expected to mean fewer flying hours for Gripen pilots (Hungary)
http://www.politics.hu/20110405/defense-cuts-expected-to-mean-fewer-flying-hours-for-gripen-pilots/

Any aircraft can be "too expensive to fly", if there is no political will to keep them flying.

Cifu
08-11-2011, 12:58 AM
Defense cuts expected to mean fewer flying hours for Gripen pilots (Hungary)
http://www.politics.hu/20110405/defense-cuts-expected-to-mean-fewer-flying-hours-for-gripen-pilots/

Any aircraft can be "too expensive to fly", if there is no political will to keep them flying.

Actually thats true in the case of the Hungarian will. The whole Gripen leasing are fueled by the economical gains, not the military ones (note how the Slovakian and Polish Air Force can fly their MiG-29's thus ours are taken out of service just recently - so we can solve the air defense role with the MiG-29's, if we really want). The main problem is actually the hungarian pilots cannot realy get enough flying hours, because our L-39 Alba's taken out the service too. So they cannot fly enough not only in their fighter jets, but not even in training jets. We leased a Czech L-159(B or T-1?) trainer but that plane have only one "free" seat, because in the back seat there is always a Czech pilot.

Do not misunderstand me, i'm a big fan of the Gripen, but it's a shame to see how we handle the whole thing. :(

In the media, our politicans and military leaders frequently take this phrase: "A big army is arming itself, a small army is dressing itself"... if we cannot have the money to keep our Air Force planes flying, then perhaps we need to look into the future, and ask the question: what we have to do after the Gripen lease time ended...

signatory
08-11-2011, 01:12 AM
For the Swedish people. Some have seen it already, I created a Swedish blog (http://gripennewsthread.blogspot.com/2011/08/har-du-asikter-om-jas-gripen-i-fv.html) for debates on Gripen/FV so feel free to go there and give your opinions. I have given some of mine already.

And do we need to comment on every stupid marketing move companies in the defence industry come up with...?

Hungary at least bought more fuel now. This is a pic from last year though...

http://i.imgur.com/oTvHadotjpg

Heck yea.

Martel
08-11-2011, 03:50 AM
and now takes a direct shot at the two finalists in the competition -- the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale -- on cost and stated capability. In short, Saab believes it still has a chance, and this fight isn't finished.

In one part, the advert says, "Performance counts when aircraft are in the air, defending the skies. Unfortunately, too many fighter aircraft are either sitting on the ground because they are too expensive to fly or simply do not have the capabilities that they were touted to have."
"Cool story bro" may I say.
For the Rafale (I can't say for the Typhoons), our planes were able to fly in Libya from day 1 from 2000 km away, providing recce, CAS, Air Interdiction, DEAD, and A2A. Gripen were late (OK it was a political issue) and grounded due to problem with fuel.
Concerning the price, yes probably the Rafale is more expensive due to its dual engine and larger platform design. But it has shown its capabilities, and not on paper ads.

signatory
08-12-2011, 08:29 AM
Saabs marketing in India has been very unfortunate. Some good - some bad. But nothing very relevant to the case.

http://i.imgur.com/Y7xurdotjpg

Brazilian senate hearings on F-X2 this month. Swedish Gripen offer debated yesterday. On ToT, financing etc | http://bit.ly/nUG59

Use GT for more.

signatory
08-16-2011, 05:47 AM
After hoping for nearly two days to hear good news it has now sadly been confirmed (http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/All-13-people-dead-in-crashed-planes-20110816) that 13 many prominent people from the South African aviation scene lost their lives in a 2x Albatross plane crash on Sunday.

More info (http://www.iol.co.za/thestar/missing-without-a-trace-1.1117863) about the people.

Among them were professional photographer Frans Dely (http://www.avpix.co.za/) who gave us a broad selection of wonderful Gripen photos that I am sure many here have seen somewhere. Some samples:

http://i.imgur.com/G9HWudotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/NKiAbdotjpg

http://i.imgur.com/cDaFjdotjpg

All (c) SAAB/GI. Find more in the SAAB Imagebank (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Image-bank/).

Condolences to SA.

signatory
08-18-2011, 11:04 AM
This guy (to the right) is brave.

http://i.imgur.com/0yNlhdotjpg

During a June-exercise his Gripen reportedly lost engine power (waiting to be confirmed if so and as to why) and rather than eject with risks to civilians and major financial loss he used the backup power available (Engine->APU->Batteries) for flight controls to maneuver the plane and land it safely back at Kecskemet air base.

So he received national honors today.

Source (http://www.honvedelem.hu/cikk/27510/a-szablya-es-a-csillagok-erteket-viselojuk-hatarozza-meg)

Molnár Tibor completed conversion training to Gripen from L-39 at xmas 2007.

griphon
10-17-2011, 03:10 AM
Today, October 14, the Swedish Defence and Security Export Agency (FXM), has invited Croatian media to a press briefing in Zagreb to present the Swedish Gripen offer that has been submitted to the Croatian government. Through FXM, the Swedish Government submitted an offer including the sale of either twelve or eight of the latest version of Gripen C/D. The offer, which was submitted to the Croatian Government in September, also includes a support and training agreement for pilots and technicians.
In order to ensure that the Croatian Air Force remains operative without interruption when its current MiG-21s are decommissioned, Sweden is initially offering a loan of older Gripen-A aircraft until the delivery of the Gripen C/Ds.
Gripen is in operational service with the Swedish, Czech Republic, Hungarian, South African and Royal Thai Air Forces. The UK Empire Test Pilots’ School (ETPS) is also operating Gripen as its advanced fast jet platform for test pilots worldwide.



Source:
http://fxm.se/en/pressrum/

Upandaway
10-17-2011, 04:03 PM
Some interesting stuff over at Livefist:

First the observation that SAAB keeps advertising in India... Optimism or delusion?

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/10/week-before-final-indian-fighter-draw.html

Second, in the comments, a nice video comparing the agility of the LCA, the Raptor, the Typhoon and the Gripen (spoiler: the LCA is not in the same division as the latter three...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSkmzjTsl1M

Thirdly and unrelatedly: Is it just me & my browser, or has the last couple of weeks worth of comments just vanished without a trace...?

Korsö
10-18-2011, 07:24 AM
Second, in the comments, a nice video comparing the agility of the LCA, the Raptor, the Typhoon and the Gripen (spoiler: the LCA is not in the same division as the latter three...)
Just wondering here...what are the instructions to the pilots here, "pull a 360 as tight/fast as you can"?
Also courious what at what airspeed they're doing these manouvres, same speed? How big are the turn-around circles?

I also wonder how much better Gripen would sell if it wasn't produced by tiny Sweden..

GMY

Loke2
11-23-2011, 03:26 AM
ROYAL AIR FORCE LAKENHEATH, England -- Swedish Air Force and 48th Fighter Wing airmen participated in a week-long squadron exchange program here, which concluded Nov. 18.

Swedish JAS-39 Gripen pilots went up against F-15C Eagle and F-15E Strike Eagle pilots in simulated combat scenarios to train with and learn from each other.

The 493rd Fighter Squadron "Grim Reapers," operating the F-15Cs, acted as hosts for the Gripen fighters and their crew. The 492nd Fighter Squadron "Madhatters" and 494th Fighter Squadron "Panthers," operating the F-15Es, also participated in the training.

"I thought the training was a huge success, and to work with our sister wing from Sweden was outstanding," said Capt. Mike Culhane, the 493rd FS C-flight commander. "We executed our mission along with the Swedish pilots seamlessly. We were very impressed with the Gripen; it's a very capable aircraft."

Full story: http://www.military.com/news/article/air-force-news/us-swedish-af-run-squadron-exchange-program.html

twinblade
11-23-2011, 06:37 AM
Second, in the comments, a nice video comparing the agility of the LCA, the Raptor, the Typhoon and the Gripen (spoiler: the LCA is not in the same division as the latter three...)

Thirdly and unrelatedly: Is it just me & my browser, or has the last couple of weeks worth of comments just vanished without a trace...?
LCA hasn't explored its full flight envelope yet, although I have realistic expectations out of it, but this video is not indicative of anything.

Slenke
11-23-2011, 07:14 AM
LCA hasn't explored its full flight envelope yet, although I have realistic expectations out of it, this video is not indicative of anything.
I agree, the video is not very good for a comparison.

jaegermeistr
11-24-2011, 04:40 AM
Question, anyone heard anything from signatory in a while?

Swingrole
11-24-2011, 06:45 AM
Is it just me & my browser, or has the last couple of weeks worth of comments just vanished without a trace...?
Question, anyone heard anything from signatory in a while?

There seems to be a problem here. I couldn't log in, despite using the correct username and password!?! I had to change my password – back to the old one! – so now it works logging in again...



Gripen NG: Wide Spectrum Combat (http://www.gripenindia.com/2011/11/gripen-ng-wide-spectrum-combat.html)



Holistic Approach
Gripen NG is the only modern fighter taking a holistic approach to the utilization of electromagnetic energy in air combat. In Gripen NG we implement the Wide Spectrum Combat, thereby recognizing that information gathering and information sharing are two sides of the same coin.

165936

Future Air Combat
What do we mean by this? Well, let's take an example. In air combat, the basic problem is to find out where the enemy aircraft are. If you don't know this you cannot launch your weapons. The same is true for the enemy, of course. Traditionally, fighter aircraft use their onboard radars for this. But future air combat is most likely to be much more silent than it is today. This means that fighter aircraft approaching each other will try to emit as little electromagnetic energy as possible, not using their radars in active mode.

Silent Gripens
Gripen NG is built for such future silent operations. When Gripen NG approaches an advanced adversary in the air, its powerful AESA radar and EW antennas are silent, listening. These two systems are very well adapted for position determination by only listening to enemy emissions. It is important to notice that in a totally silent scenario, where all aircraft avoid emitting with radar, RCS (Radar Cross Section) is meaningless. It doesn’t matter if you have the best stealth features in the world if all radars in the scenario are turned off. And as soon as an enemy turns his radar on and starts emitting, Gripen NG pilots know where he is.

Read the whole article: http://www.gripenindia.com/2011/11/gripen-ng-wide-spectrum-combat.html

Apan76
11-24-2011, 12:24 PM
There seems to be a problem here. I couldn't log in, despite using the correct username and password!?! I had to change my password – back to the old one! – so now it works logging in again...
...
Read the whole article: http://www.gripenindia.com/2011/11/gripen-ng-wide-spectrum-combat.html

For the login problem: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?202800-**-Please-read-site-maintenance-today

Has someone forgot to tell the Gripen guys about the Rafale/EF downselect? Or whats going on in their minds?

Sig has definitely gone offline... quiet at Twitter as well.

jontew
11-24-2011, 12:53 PM
Yeah sig seems gone? Tried to message him here on the boards but no reply...I had the same login problems..

jochen
11-25-2011, 01:54 PM
Yeah sig seems gone? Tried to message him here on the boards but no reply...I had the same login problems..

Maybe he got a job at SAAB, when he stopped twittering the saab account on twitter became much more active, but i dont know, I am missing reading this thread though...

Dr Freud
11-29-2011, 03:50 PM
I fear Signatory had some misfortune, that kind of passion wouldn't go offline just like that.
Hope to get the prime Gripen info source back online soon !

Btw i had to reset my password too

Loke2
11-30-2011, 07:57 AM
The Federal Council has decided at today's meeting for the cheapest plane - the Swedish Gripen.

This is to say pro-government circles over Tagesanzeiger.ch / Newsnet. The procurement of 22 aircraft of this type cost cost about three billion francs, a billion less than the same number or € Rafale fighter would.

The cost issues may have played a significant role in the decision. For the fiscal room for maneuver of the Covenant is small.


google translated from: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/standard/KampfjetEntscheid-offenbar-gefallen/story/28653803

Edit: seems this is not yet officially confirmed:


If the announcement of the purchase of 22 new aircraft is confirmed, it is likely that budget cuts and savings measures will be announced in other areas, such as education, training and research, the field agricultural or infrastructure spending.

http://www.tdg.ch/actu/suisse/avion-combat-conseil-federal-choisi-gripen-suedois-2011-11-30

Slenke
11-30-2011, 08:59 AM
We'll know more 16:30 CET when there supposedly will be a press conference of sorts.

Loke2
11-30-2011, 09:03 AM
Gripen is approximately the same size as the F-5 Tiger. Gripen’s size would allow the Swiss Air Force to use its existing infrastructure without having to build expensive new facilities. At the same time, Gripen‘s state-of-the-art design, weapons systems and on-board sensors give it better performance and greater operational flexibility than the competition.



Length:

14.1 meters



Span:

8.6 meters



Maximum take-off weight:

16.5 tonnes



Thrust:

22,500 lbs



Weapon docks:

10



Maximum speed:

Mach 2 (Supercruise)



Turnaround times:

Under 10 minutes with air-to-air weapons
Under 20 minutes with air-to-ground weapons







http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-for-Switzerland/The-Gripen-Fighter/

My understanding is that the Swiss Gripen C/D will be upgraded to "NG standard" by RUAG. From the above table it seems that this upgrade entails more than just avionics. In particular, max TOW, thrust, number of pylons are all increased compared to today's Gripen C/D.

Looks like a very capable and modern fighter, and at a very reasonable price.

Herman the II
11-30-2011, 09:07 AM
Good news for Saab and Gripen! Congrats

Slenke
11-30-2011, 09:12 AM
I will hold on to my celebration-beer until after press conference 16:30 and when I see the news at the SAAB web page. Then in this business nothing seem certain even after a "decision" is made.. I'm sure our French friends here on MP.net can confirm that.

Dr Freud
11-30-2011, 10:30 AM
If you had stocks you could celebrate already Saab Surges on Optimism Switzerland Will Opt to Buy Gripen Jet http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-30/saab-surges-on-optimism-switzerland-will-opt-to-buy-gripen-jet.html

Dr Freud
11-30-2011, 10:31 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-30/saab-surges-on-optimism-switzerland-will-opt-to-buy-gripen-jet.html

Apparently links doesn't work if paste in quick reply, and i couldn't delete it either

Slenke
11-30-2011, 10:43 AM
Confirmed:

Ueli Maurer confirms what baz.ch / Newsnet reported already at noon: The Swiss Air Force will be renewed with the Saab Gripen. Boeing had canceled, nor participate in the bidding race. They've also looked at Russian planes, but had abandoned it.
[..]
Maurer explained the decision: 1 The Saab Gripen is excellent from a technical perspective. Second For Switzerland, it is affordable. Third The cooperation potential in Europe is given, particularly with Sweden.
http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/Ich-kann-die-Indiskretionen-bestaetigen/story/28367934

twinblade
11-30-2011, 10:50 AM
Confirmed:

http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/Ich-kann-die-Indiskretionen-bestaetigen/story/28367934

Pop the champagne :) congrats SAAB.

Slenke
11-30-2011, 10:55 AM
Pop the champagne :) congrats SAAB.

I will have myself a huge beer now. :p

xav
11-30-2011, 11:00 AM
So Gripen NG is "saved" now, this is the first export customer ?

xav
11-30-2011, 11:02 AM
Just read elswhere that it is a C/D with NG radar and avionics...

btw, the good news for Gripen came on page 200 of this thread p-)

Slenke
11-30-2011, 11:03 AM
So Gripen NG is "saved" now, this is the first export customer ?

Yes I guess it is. Sweden will now almost certainly go for the NG.

But, the Swiss "ink isn't on the paper" yet so to speak, a lot can still happen.

metberkut
11-30-2011, 11:12 AM
Congrats to SAAB folks, but i am a bit sad that Rafale didn't win...

twinblade
11-30-2011, 11:17 AM
Yes I guess it is. Sweden will now almost certainly go for the NG.

But, the Swiss "ink isn't on the paper" yet so to speak, a lot can still happen.

Even if they don't eventually go for the NG airframe, the avionics should be right up there.

jaegermeistr
11-30-2011, 11:19 AM
I wonder if signatory can read this from wherever he is

icefrog
11-30-2011, 11:29 AM
Could someone tell me why Swiss did not go for the new airframe?

Slenke
11-30-2011, 11:29 AM
SAAB proud about Swiss government selecting Gripen

The Swiss government has decided to select Gripen as its future multirole fighter aircraft for the Swiss Air Force.
Given that Switzerland is known globally for applying highest procurement standards and requesting state-of-the art technologies, Saab is both proud and delighted that Gripen has been chosen as the Swiss Air Force's future multirole fighter aircraft.

"The Swiss type-selection confirms that Saab is a market-leader in the defence and security industry and that Gripen is a world-class fighter system that provides the best value for money”, says Håkan Buskhe, President and CEO Saab.

The Gripen programme will create a long-term partnership betweenSwitzerlandandSweden. Saab assuresSwitzerlanda long-term strategic industrial co-operation aimed at creating sustainable high tech jobs, transferring technology and generating export business.

Saab stands prepared to start negotiations and await the next steps of the process.

Gripen is in service with the Swedish, Czech Republic, Hungarian, South African and Royal Thai Air Forces. The UK Empire Test Pilots’ School (ETPS) is operating Gripen as its advanced fast jet platform for test pilots worldwide. Saab is also delivering successful industrial co-operation programmes in Czech Republic, Hungary and South Africa.http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2011---11/Saab-proud-about-Swiss-government-selecting-Gripen/

jontew
11-30-2011, 11:31 AM
Holy smokes, great news! Congrats to Switzerland for making an excellent choice! :D

jokuvaan
11-30-2011, 11:39 AM
Could someone tell me why Swiss did not go for the new airframe?

I would guess that Swiss aint planning to do long range operations so less fuel space is needed. NG is more offensive geared platform as far as I know.

Slenke
11-30-2011, 11:52 AM
This guy is talking about version MS-21 which basically is the NG.


The upgraded version of the MS21 Gripen has an engine that is more powerful than previous versions. How does this affect the skills in missions?
First, the climb performance is significantly better, secondly, he could take aboard more weight and carry more weapons and fuel. And thirdly, the engine is the same as the engine of the F/A-18-Kampfjets in Switzerland. When maintenance is likely therefore to build on previous experience.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sv&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbazonline.ch%2Fschweiz%2Fstandard%2FMaurer-praesentiert-den-neuen-Kampfjet%2Fstory%2F28367934

I'm now officially confused.

icefrog
11-30-2011, 11:57 AM
So,it's really NG all the way?? From new airframe (more fuel, more payload), avionics and AESA radar. If it is, then good. It doesn't make sense to me if they are going for old airfames but NG avionics/radars.

seasch
11-30-2011, 12:07 PM
Factsheet about the planes that were in question:

http://www.vbs.admin.ch/internet/vbs/de/home/themen/defence/tte/faktenblaetter.parsys.97280.downloadList.6084.DownloadFile.tmp/typendatentte.pdf

(in German and French), don't know, which frame...

and information in German, French and Italian:

German http://www.vbs.admin.ch/internet/vbs/de/home/documentation/news/news_detail.42470.nsb.html
French http://www.vbs.admin.ch/internet/vbs/fr/home/documentation/news/news_detail.42470.nsb.html
Italian http://www.vbs.admin.ch/internet/vbs/it/home/documentation/news/news_detail.42470.nsb.html

As a Swiss, I think this was the best choice at the moment. Chances that this will go through as planned, I guess over 80 percent.

jontew
11-30-2011, 12:40 PM
When reading the PDF it seems to be the NG version, the specs and the landing gear says NG anyway.

wheeleuss
11-30-2011, 12:51 PM
Really good choice.
My congrats to Swiss for the wise choice, and good piece of news for SAAB

Steak-Sauce
11-30-2011, 12:57 PM
Indeed a wise choice. Congratulations, Switzerland!

eikkN
11-30-2011, 01:04 PM
It was always the JAS 39C/D which was on offer and there is no indication that this has changed. However, it might be possible that the Swedes may incorporate some NG elements as deliveries have been postponed due to the general delays in the selection process. I wouldn't bet on that however as the budget is tight and there is probably little room for exchanging the C/D for the E/F (NG) without affecting the price of the package which would render the arguments somewhat useless.

Slenke
11-30-2011, 01:08 PM
It was always the JAS 39C/D which was on offer and there is no indication that this has changed. However, it might be possible that the Swedes may incorporate some NG elements as deliveries have been postponed due to the general delays in the selection process. I wouldn't bet on that however as the budget is tight and there is probably little room for exchanging the C/D for the E/F (NG) without affecting the price of the package which would render the arguments somewhat useless.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/images/buttons/quote.gif (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1828790) i see. This is where it gets confusing since at the Saab web page under "Gripen for Switzerland" it says F414G as engine.

seasch
11-30-2011, 02:02 PM
http://www.offiziere.ch/?p=257

"Beim Saab Gripen war über die letzten 2,5 Jahren eine Weiterentwicklung zu beobachten. Ursprünglich wurden der Armasuisse (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armasuisse) 22 JAS 39C/D Gripen zum Preis von 1,8 Milliarden Franken angeboten. In Schweden selber wird diese C/D-Version der Gripen als Modulsystem 19 (MS 19) bezeichnet. Mit dem Start des Gripen Demonstrator-Programms (Gripen NG) und mit den Verbesserungen, welche im Rahmen der brasilianischen F-X2 Kampfjet-Evaluation umgesetzt wurden, offeriert Saab (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab) der Armasuisse in der finalisierten Offerte vom November 2009 22 Flugzeuge des Modulsystems 21 (MS 21) zum Preis von 2,2 Milliarden (vgl.: “Tiger-Ersatz bald wieder Thema im Bundesrat (http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/schweiz/tiger-ersatz_bald_wieder_thema_im_bundesrat_1.5822193.html)“, NZZ, 29.05.2010; gemäss Informationen von Saab wurden der Armasuisse verschiedene Vorschläge unterbreitet, welche unabhängig vom Flugzeugtyp gültig sind). Bei den offerierten Preise handelt es sich um Systemverkaufspreise, in welchen Ersatzteile, Waffen, Betriebskosten usw. nicht enthalten sind. Vermutlich unter diesem Gesichtspunkt ist Maurers Aussage Mitte April (http://www.news.ch/Maurer+fluchte+wegen+Kosten+fuer+Kampfjets/436967/detail.htm) zu verstehen, dass der Kauf von 22 neuen Kampfjets nicht wie ursprünglich angenommen 2,2, sondern 3,5 bis 5 Milliarden Franken kosten würden. Die Armasuisse selber hat das MS 19 evaluiert, da es sich jedoch beim MS 21 nicht um ein neues Flugzeugdesign, sondern um eine technologische Verbesserung handelt, akzeptierte die Armasuisse die finalisierte Offerte. Gemäss Niels Fischer, Direktor des Gripen International Liaison Office handelt es sich dabei um einen normalen Entwicklungsprozess, welcher auch bei den anderen Herstellern erfolgt und von der Armasuisse von Beginn an berücksichtigt wurde. Die bedeutendste Verbesserung beim MS 21 liegt an seinem Triebwerk: neu ist ein General Electric F414G Mantelstromtriebwerk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_F414) eingebaut, das nicht nur mehr Leistung, sondern auch Supercruise-Fähigkeit (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercruise) aufweist (am 21. Januar 2009 praktisch vorgestellt).

Beim Saab Gripen war über die letzten 2,5 Jahren eine Weiterentwicklung zu beobachten. Ursprünglich wurden der Armasuisse (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armasuisse) 22 JAS 39C/D Gripen zum Preis von 1,8 Milliarden Franken angeboten. In Schweden selber wird diese C/D-Version der Gripen als Modulsystem 19 (MS 19) bezeichnet. Mit dem Start des Gripen Demonstrator-Programms (Gripen NG) und mit den Verbesserungen, welche im Rahmen der brasilianischen F-X2 Kampfjet-Evaluation umgesetzt wurden, offeriert Saab (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab) der Armasuisse in der finalisierten Offerte vom November 2009 22 Flugzeuge des Modulsystems 21 (MS 21) zum Preis von 2,2 Milliarden (vgl.: “Tiger-Ersatz bald wieder Thema im Bundesrat (http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/schweiz/tiger-ersatz_bald_wieder_thema_im_bundesrat_1.5822193.html)“, NZZ, 29.05.2010; gemäss Informationen von Saab wurden der Armasuisse verschiedene Vorschläge unterbreitet, welche unabhängig vom Flugzeugtyp gültig sind). Bei den offerierten Preise handelt es sich um Systemverkaufspreise, in welchen Ersatzteile, Waffen, Betriebskosten usw. nicht enthalten sind. Vermutlich unter diesem Gesichtspunkt ist Maurers Aussage Mitte April (http://www.news.ch/Maurer+fluchte+wegen+Kosten+fuer+Kampfjets/436967/detail.htm) zu verstehen, dass der Kauf von 22 neuen Kampfjets nicht wie ursprünglich angenommen 2,2, sondern 3,5 bis 5 Milliarden Franken kosten würden. Die Armasuisse selber hat das MS 19 evaluiert, da es sich jedoch beim MS 21 nicht um ein neues Flugzeugdesign, sondern um eine technologische Verbesserung handelt, akzeptierte die Armasuisse die finalisierte Offerte. Gemäss Niels Fischer, Direktor des Gripen International Liaison Office handelt es sich dabei um einen normalen Entwicklungsprozess, welcher auch bei den anderen Herstellern erfolgt und von der Armasuisse von Beginn an berücksichtigt wurde. Die bedeutendste Verbesserung beim MS 21 liegt an seinem Triebwerk: neu ist ein General Electric F414G Mantelstromtriebwerk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_F414) eingebaut, das nicht nur mehr Leistung, sondern auch Supercruise-Fähigkeit (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercruise) aufweist (am 21. Januar 2009 praktisch vorgestellt)."

So it seems to be the MS21.

Kaaskop
11-30-2011, 04:10 PM
So the Swiss Air Force will operate two different multirole fighters? Why don't they buy one type instead? Would have been more cost-efficient for a small air force like the Schweizer Luftwaffe.

Good news for the Gripen NG though. Let's hope more orders will follow soon :-)

Loke2
11-30-2011, 04:12 PM
Congratulations to Saab and Sweden!!!

I am already looking forward to seeing the first Swiss Gripen flying... I think some people will be surprised at the capabilities of that tiny airframe ;)

TheCorruptedOne
11-30-2011, 04:14 PM
Finally! Good job, SAAB! And congratulations to Switzerland, a fine choice indeed.

I always thought Gripen was the most sensible replacement for the F-5 :)

Steak-Sauce
11-30-2011, 04:18 PM
On a second thought: regardless of the outcome, every manufacturer should have been glad to have offered their product to the Swiss. Given their neutrality, budget cuts and non-involvment in international conflicts, it's probably an exception rather than the rule that the Swiss Air Force even decided to purchase a new fighter. I doubt many people in Switzerland are glad about this decision, even in light of the cheaper Gripen.

seasch
11-30-2011, 05:05 PM
Reading the comments in several Swiss newspapers (German speaking part of Switzerland that is) there are of course a lot of people opposing new jets. But those who want a new jet, most agree with the choice made, the Grippen.

Kaaskop
11-30-2011, 05:08 PM
Delete please

xav
11-30-2011, 05:24 PM
But those who want a new jet, most agree with the choice made, the Grippen.
Except the pilots themselves maybe

Maskirovka
11-30-2011, 05:43 PM
Except the pilots themselves maybe

Yep. And now you can go away in the the corner, in the Rafale News thread and be butthurt, sobbing, and silently wave the french national flag - the white flag. As of this date, Gripen export countries 5, Rafale zero. Wanna cry some more?

icefrog
11-30-2011, 05:52 PM
On a second thought: regardless of the outcome, every manufacturer should have been glad to have offered their product to the Swiss. Given their neutrality, budget cuts and non-involvment in international conflicts, it's probably an exception rather than the rule that the Swiss Air Force even decided to purchase a new fighter. I doubt many people in Switzerland are glad about this decision, even in light of the cheaper Gripen.

True, which is why I don't get it why people don't get why the Swiss chose the allegedly less capable but more affordable fighter. Like, who's going to invade Switzerland in the foreseeable future? France and Germany out of spite for not choosing the Rafale or EF? The debt-ridden Italy? Austria perhaps?

Slenke
11-30-2011, 05:58 PM
Yep. And now you can go away in the the corner, in the Rafale News thread and be butthurt, sobbing, and silently wave the french national flag - the white flag. As of this date, Gripen export countries 5, Rafale zero. Wanna cry some more?
rofl. But let's not get carried away to far..

Maskirovka
11-30-2011, 06:00 PM
Austria perhaps?


No, they chose Eurofighter and those planes have proved so expensive that they could only afford 2/3 of the number the needed and the ones they´ve got they can´t afford keep flying. If Austria had chosen the Gripen. Well, their numbers would have exceeded Switzerlands and they would all be operational today...

Mujo2000
11-30-2011, 06:02 PM
VBS is the Swiss MOD, correct?

It's funny what it stands for though,

Eidgenössisches Departement für Verteidigung,
Bevölkerungsschutz und Sport

I guess the MOD handles sports related issues in der Schweiz?

Maskirovka
11-30-2011, 06:02 PM
rofl. But let's not get carried away to far..

Is there something wrong with the facts I wrote?

Chimera
11-30-2011, 06:05 PM
True, which is why I don't get it why people don't get why the Swiss chose the allegedly less capable but more affordable fighter. Like, who's going to invade Switzerland in the foreseeable future? France and Germany out of spite for not choosing the Rafale or EF? The debt-ridden Italy? Austria perhaps?

What bothers me is that they knew all along they did not need these aircraft in the first place. But decided to go for a useless, time-consuming tender to replace useless aircrafts with an even more useless aircraft (yes, they could have simply gone for a F5s upgrade).

The smartests in this whole thing are the Americans, who, looking at the budget on the table and the requirements, kindly withdrew from the competition.

Rafale and Eurofighter sales team have been stupid on this one.

Slenke
11-30-2011, 06:10 PM
What bothers me is that they knew all along they did not need these aircraft in the first place. But decided to go for a useless, time-consuming tender to replace useless aircrafts with an even more useless aircraft (yes, they could have simply gone for a F5s upgrade).

The smartests in this whole thing are the Americans, who, looking at the budget on the table and the requirements, kindly withdrew from the competition.

Rafale and Eurofighter sales team have been stupid on this one.

So Gripen is a "useless" aircraft according to you? jee..

Slenke
11-30-2011, 06:12 PM
Is there something wrong with the facts I wrote?
Nothing is wrong with the facts, but I guess the fat lady hasn't sung yet. A lot of people in Switzerland will want to have a say in this.

xav
11-30-2011, 06:15 PM
wave the french national flag - the white flag.

that's the best you got? how old are you?