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signatory
12-11-2007, 10:16 AM
Gripen partnership projects in Hungary exceed SEK 7189m ($1,12 Bn)

- the latest developments regarding the performance of the Gripen offset programme are approved by the Hungarian Ministry of Economy and Transport

2007-12-10 | At its meeting held on 9 November 2007 the Hungarian Offset Committee, headed by the Hungarian Ministry of Economy and Transport, approved further offset achievements on the basis of the investment and export documents submitted by the Gripen office in Budapest. The total value of the achievements accepted on this occasion is SEK 251m (EUR 27.1m), of which SEK 12 million (EUR 1.3m) cover investments and SEK 239 million (EUR 25.8m) represent exports.The total offset obligation performed by Gripen International in Hungary has now reached a total of 98%. The remaining 2% of the offset obligation comprises the balance of the investment element of the offset contract.

The Hungarian government highly appreciates the excellent performance of the Gripen team in achieving its offset obligations. The acquisition of Gripen has undoubtedly generated industrial capability and economic benefits which have exceeded the Hungarian government’s requirements - . says Dr. Szabó Sándor , Head of offset section ,Hungarian Ministry of Economy and Transport.

- We are pleased to announce that we have full filled our total export obligations to the Hungarian Ministry of Economy and Transport according to the Gripen Industrial Cooperation contract. says Kaj Rosander , Programme Director, Gripen International

-Our offset partnerships have offered substantial long term business for Hungary and we are confident that these partnerships will continue to generate real long term benefits for both Hungary and Sweden in the future.

MORE (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/2007/071210_hu_offset.htm)


Given status before this press release:

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7691/grip2xx0dotjpg

signatory
12-13-2007, 10:13 AM
Sweden delivers final 3 Gripen fighter aircraft to Hungary

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A early christmas present... (Photo: Pia Ericson, FMV)


The three remaining Hungarian Gripen fighters, of the Hungarian Air Force’s total order for fourteen (14) aircraft, landed at Kecskémet air base in Hungary today.

2007-12-13 | The aircraft, of the latest `C` standard being delivered to customers worldwide, were flown from FMVs facility outside Linkoping to Hungary by pilots from the Swedish Air Force.

“With the delivery of these three aircraft today, FMV has now completed the delivery of all fourteen (14) Gripen fighter aircraft to Hungary and we have done this on time and in accordance with the contract. I would like to express my gratitude to all those people, on both the Swedish and Hungarian teams who have helped to make the Gripen for Hungary programme a success”, - said Mats Hansson, Programme Director Gripen for Hungary within FMV.

Hungary is the third European nation, after Sweden and the Czech Republic, and the second NATO nation to operate the Gripen new generation fighter. The Hungarian Air Force has the latest `C` (single seat) and `D` (two seat) version of the Gripen fighter aircraft. These aircraft are the latest versions of the Gripen fighter equipped with full colour cockpit displays, a retractable air-to-air refueling probe and are fully NATO-interoperable.
SRC (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2007/071213_hu_delivery.htm)

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...out with the British...


Lennart Sindahl New Member of Saab Group Management
STOCKHOLM, Sweden--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Regulatory News:
December 13, 2007 10:29 AM Eastern Time

Lennart Sindahl takes over as head of the Aeronautics business segment and becomes part of Saab’s (STO:SAABB) Group Management from the 1st of January 2008. He succeeds Ian McNamee who is leaving Saab in the spring.

As head of the segment Lennart Sindahl will have responsibility for Gripen International, Saab Aerostructures, Saab Aerosystems and Saab Aircraft Leasing business units. He has been Business unit manager of Saab Aerosystems since 2003.
src (http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20071213005649&newsLang=en)

signatory
12-21-2007, 08:08 AM
No Plans To Quit The Norwegian Tender

After the EF Consortium decided to suspend its activities in Norway there was also some talk about Gripen ending its Norwegian campaign. But today both Marcus Wallenberg the chairman of Saab and Åke Svensson the CEO said they will stay in and submit a proposal. Gripen International's President O. Wagermark also said it's out of the question.

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Marcus III Wallenberg, Saabs Chairman of the Board

Marcus Wallenberg the cousin to Jacob Wallenberg of Investor AB gave his comments during a press conf regarding the now approved creation of Aker Holding AS in which Saab and Investor hold 10% of shares.

More info here on why that deal is relevant (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=158274)

What the hell is Investor you say?

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2213/investor300al6dotjpg
Investor AB (http://www.investorab.com/en/default.htm)

src (http://www.dn.no/forsiden/politikkSamfunn/article1276474.ece)



"We still have the impression that we have been clearly given by the Norwegian government that this is an open contest -- on equal terms," Saab AB chairman Marcus Wallenberg told reporters in Oslo. "We want to show to the Norwegian defence that we have the best planes."

"We are two neighbours. We think we can offer something as a neighbour. There is a good foundation for industrial cooperation," Wallenberg said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7170987

signatory
12-21-2007, 08:09 AM
<- New post (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2941882&postcount=510) on previous page.

Merry Christmas

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(c) Blekinge flygflottilj

So it's been a pretty good year for Gripen, and almost too much activity in this thread but I started it with some reasons in mind:

One to collect smaller less interesting news in one thread rather than seeing them scattered all over the forum more or less just annoying people. The other reason was to improve the overall information on Gripen on the web which at best is very poor. More sourced news and fewer rumours. Finally I wanted a easier way to search backwards for old articles.

And while it has a pro-Gripen stance there shall be no doubt about posting accident reports or criticism but preferably avoiding unsourced opinion with a anti-Gripen agenda.

Lots of thanks to those who contributed to this thread ! And thanks for looking :)


During the year this is some of the stuff we wrote about:


Hungary received its final 14 jets and all its offsets ahead of schedule

Thailand selected Gripen

The Czech Army tell their lower house defense commitee they want to continue with Gripen after the lease

Sweden commits to Gripens long term future by ordering the Action Plan Gripen and HMD's

Saab launched a Technology Demonstrator with international partners

Norway joined the Gripen development

Gripen launched METEOR and IRIS-T missiles

India asked for a RFP

First participation with jets at Aero India

The Czech Republic announce intentions to send Gripens to guard Baltic airspace

Denmark receive Gripen offer and Saab sign large industrial MoU's.

But most importantly no lives has been lost.




Cheers.

Maskirovka
12-24-2007, 10:50 PM
http://**********.com/files/78740805/ndtv-jetset-gripen.AVI

A 88 MB and 18 min long film about the Gripen, in english.

As I understand it´s an Indian show and the guy that gets to fly with the Gripen is a journalist. In this series he has previously flown with the F-16, F/A-18 and the MiG-35.

Skyman
12-27-2007, 09:08 AM
sorry. Double post.

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Skyman
12-27-2007, 09:10 AM
รมว.กลาโหม คาดลงนามอนุมัติจัดหาเครื่องบินขับไล่-ยานเกราะฯในม.ค.51
15:36 น.


พลโทพิชษณุ ปุจฉาการ โฆษกกระทรวงกลาโหม แถลงภายหลังการประชุมสภากลาโหมนัดสุดท้าย ประจำปี 2550 ซึ่งมีพลเอกบุญรอด สมทัศน์ รมว. กลาโหม เป็นประธาน และมีผู้บัญชาการเหล่าทัพร่วมการประชุม ได้มีการย้ำให้ทุกเหล่าทัพ น้อมรับพระราชดำรัส และพระบรมราโชวาทในพระบาทสมเด็จพระเจ้าอยู่หัวในรอบปีที่ผ่านมาไปปฏิบัติอย่างจริงจัง โดยเฉพาะการเป็นกองทัพที่เข้มแข็ง การสร้างความสามัคคีในชาติ และการรักษาชาติโดยไม่ใช้อาวุธประหัตประหาร

นอกจากนี้ ยังมีความคืบหน้าในการจัดหาเครื่องบินขับไล่แบบกริพเพน ของกองทัพอากาศ และยานเกราะล้อยาง ของกองทัพบก โดยโฆษกกระทรวงกลาโหม เปิดเผยว่า ที่ประชุมมีมติให้การพิจารณาเสร็จสิ้นภายในรัฐบาลชุดนี้ และคาดว่า รมว.กลาโหม จะลงนามอนุมัติการจัดหาภายในเดือนมกราคมปี 2551 และยังย้ำถึงการสร้างความพร้อม และการพัฒนากองทัพในภาพรวมให้มีประสิทธิภาพขึ้น

http://breakingnews.nationchannel.com/read.php?newsid=297880



Quick translation..... The defense ministry spokeman said today after the join meting between each armed forces that RTAF will finalise the Gripen deal within January 2008.

woot

signatory
12-27-2007, 09:22 AM
Great news Skyman !

And thanks Maskirovka.. funny video.. think I've seen the whole series from that Indian guy now..

BTW, today the US ambassador to Norway again came out (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/1.4384121)working for Lockheed Martin... talking about less good contacts between the two nations if NoAF buy Gripen.. something about Swedish and US jets can't exercise together... p-)

It's a miracle the US Marines can even use their British Harriers.

Skyman
12-27-2007, 09:32 AM
It's a miracle the US Marines can even use their British Harriers.

And it's more miracle that RTAF use F-16 and F-5 along side with L-39ZA/ART and Alphajet while RMAF use F/A-18D+ and Su-30MKM at the same time. rofl

Skyman
12-27-2007, 09:36 AM
About the Gripen deal. Everyone here in Thailand (that know what is going on in the project) wish the military goverment will finalise the contact before the new democratic government is formed because the deal today is seen as aclear and transparence They don't want the politician to involve with this deal. :D

the situation is goes the other way with Ukrianian APC.

ozumn
12-27-2007, 10:06 AM
WOW just WOW that ambassador is a nutjob and i think Norway will fall under the pressure.

signatory
01-01-2008, 04:42 PM
January 1 2008

Eight of Europe's most advanced multirole fighter is ready for urgent global assignments.

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Exercise @ Red flag Alaska 2006

Now since the first day of the year the Swedish Expeditionary Fighter Unit SE01 is on just 10 day standby for a period of 6 months.

This is followed by 30-day standby until the end of the year. 10 days means the unit shall be able to start operating in the mission area within that time after a Gov decision.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9577/se01rruze2dotjpg

This could be EU, UN, NORDCAPS or other missions of a peace support/peace enforcement character. The higher 10-day standby is to match the days of the active EU Battlegroup.

The JAS 39C unit has capabilities to perform all-weather multirole missions including reconnaissance and precision strikes.

Swedish Gripens has been on long journeys in the past. Here's a map with some of them marked out.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8454/gripenflightsworld700hq9dotjpg

Hold your thumbs.

Skyman
01-08-2008, 05:07 AM
ครม.ทิ้งทวนงบ1.9หมื่นล.ทอ.ซื้อเครื่องบินรบ
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โดย Post Digital 8 มกราคม 2551 14:29 น.

ครม. สุรยุทธ์ ทิ้งทวน อนุมัติงบผูกพันกว่า 1.9 หมื่นล้านบาทให้ ทอ.จัดซื้อเครื่องบินรบ 6 ลำ จากสวีเดน


นายไชยา ยิ้มวิไล โฆษกประจำสำนักนายกรัฐมนตรี เปิดเผยว่า ที่ประชุมคณะรัฐมนตรี(ครม.) อนุมัติงบประมาณแบบผูกพันปี 51-55 จำนวน 1.9 หมื่นล้านบาทให้แก่กองทัพอากาศ(ทอ.) เพื่อใช้ในการจัดซื้อเครื่องบินรบ จำนวน 6 ลำ รวมถึงชิ้นส่วนและการฝึกอบรมด้วย โดยให้เจรจาจัดซื้อแบบรัฐต่อรัฐจากรัฐบาลสวีเดน


ก่อนหน้านี้กองทัพอากาศได้เจรจากับรัฐบาลสวีเดนมาโดยตลอด กับผู้ผลิตเครื่องบินขับไล่อเนกประสงค์ กริฟฟินจำนวน 6 ลำ มูลค่า 1.86 หมื่นล้านบาท ค่าดำเนินการในกระบวนการรับมอบอีกกว่า 700 ล้านบาท รวมเป็นกว่า 1.9 หมื่นล้านบาท ทั้งนี้ทางสวีเดนได้ให้ เครื่องบินควบคุมและเครื่องบินลำเลียงให้เป็นจำนวน 2 ลำในเงื่อนไขเจรจาจัด

http://www.posttoday.com/breakingnews.php?sec=breaking&id=213349



Breaking News

Thai cabinet today approve the perchasing of the first batch of 6 JAS-39 Gripen and associated equipments and training in the deal worth 1.9 billion baht.

woot

signatory
01-08-2008, 05:43 AM
Breaking News

Thai cabinet today approve the perchasing of the first batch of 6 JAS-39 Gripen and associated equipments and training in the deal worth 1.9 billion baht.

woot

1.9Bn ? Buy one get 5 jets for free ? rofl Just a down payment I suppose..

Edit: Or decimal typo.. 19 Bn was mentioned in October.

Well I hope soon we can say welcome.. I guess training can start sooner than deliveries..

Speaking of...

Another batch of Hungarian pilots finish basic training

http://www.f7.mil.se/images/local/20080107_hu01dotjpg


Skaraborg Wing is responsible for all basic conversion training of foreign Gripen pilots. Shortly before Christmas the latest batch of Hungarian Gripen pilots ended their conversion training in Sweden.

Captain Tibor Molnar is one of the Hungarian pilots that have completed his training at Skaraborg Wing. Tibor Molnar is 31 years old and come from the northern part of Hungary. He has been employed in the Hungarian Air Force for 13 years and has flown the L-39 aircraft before he started his conversion training to become a Gripen pilot.

Great training, Great Aircraft
Tibor is very pleased with the conversion training in Sweden, and the Swedish instructors, or as his says it with his own words: - Well performed training, He also says that the instructors of the first Gripen squadron at Såtenäs are highly skilled and has a lot of experience and the Gripen aircraft is a very nice and impressive aircraft.

http://www.f7.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=39976

Skyman
01-08-2008, 05:52 AM
1.9Bn ? Buy one get 5 jets for free ? rofl Just a down payment I suppose..




rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


He He He. As my guessing, the contract signing ceremony will be held around 2 weeks and some rumors said that the first batch of Thai pilot will leave for training in Sweden around mid-2008.


PS. In the King's speech on his brithday on 4 Dec 2007. He also mention that Swedish fighter is more suitable for thailand than fuel-hungry Su-30 which is reflect on his sufficient economic philosophy. :D

signatory
01-08-2008, 06:07 AM
He He He. As my guessing, the contract signing ceremony will be held around 2 weeks and some rumors said that the first batch of Thai pilot will leave for training in Sweden around mid-2008.

Cool. And you already got 2 pilots that can fly Gripen so there should be some understanding how to do the conversion already...


PS. In the King's speech on his brithday on 4 Dec 2007. He also mention that Swedish fighter is more suitable for thailand than fuel-hungry Su-30 which is reflect on his sufficient economic philosophy. :D

God bless the King! He should come over and fly.. our guy already did :)

Herman the II
01-08-2008, 06:25 AM
So the first batch will include 6 planes. Whats the final goal?
Is it still 12 planes or is it more?
Anyways great news for Sweden and the EU.

Skyman
01-08-2008, 06:46 AM
So the first batch will include 6 planes. Whats the final goal?
Is it still 12 planes or is it more?
Anyways great news for Sweden and the EU.

Yes. It will be 12 jets. The second batch will be announced later.

Skyman
01-08-2008, 07:25 AM
ครม.เห็นชอบการเปลี่ยนแปลงการจัดซื้อเครื่องบินรบ

นายไชยา แถลงเรื่องของกองทัพอากาศ ในการจัดซื้อเครื่องบิน สืบเนื่องจากคณะรัฐมนตรีได้มีการประชุม ครม. อนุมัติเมื่อวันที่ 16 ตุลาคม ที่ผ่านมา ตามที่กระทรวงคมนาคมเสนอ ที่จะจัดซื้อหาเครื่องบินขับไล่เอนกประสงค์ทดแทนเครื่องบินขับไล่แบบ เอฟ 5 อี จำนวน 6 เครื่อง เป็นงบประมาณทั้งสิ้น 19,000 ล้านบาท เป็นงบผูกพัน 2551 - 2555 โดยเป็นเรื่องเดิมที่อนุมัติเห็นชอบในหลักการไปแล้ว และในครั้งนี้ทางกระทรวงกลาโหมมีการนำเสนอในลักษณะที่มีการจัดซื้อเครื่องบิน เป็นเครื่องบิน กริพเพน 39 ซี/ดี มีข้อเสนอพิจารณา 2 ข้อ ที่ประชุมคณะรัฐมนตรีได้อนุมัติ 2 ประเด็น

ประเด็นที่ 1 กระทรวงกลาโหมพิจารณาเห็นว่ากองทัพอากาศดำเนินการอันเป็นประโยชน์สูงสุดต่อทางราชการภายใต้มติ ครม. ตั้งแต่วันที่ 16 ตุลาคม และกรอบบันทึกความเข้าใจว่าด้วยความร่วมมือ ตามข้อ 2 โดยจำเป็นต้องจัดหาเครื่องบินประจำการ ดังนั้นเพื่อให้การดำเนินการโครงการเรียบร้อย ได้มีข้อเสนอ ดังนี้

1. ให้กระทรวงกลาโหม โดยกองทัพอากาศ ดำเนินการจัดซื้อเครื่องบินกริปเปน จีอาร์ไอพีอีเอ็น 39 ซี/ดี จำนวน 6 เครื่อง พร้อมอุปกรณ์ อะไหล่ การฝึกอบรม การปรับปรุงอาคารสถานที่ และการบริหารโครงการ เป็นเงิน 19,000 ล้านบาท โดยวิธีรัฐบาลต่อรัฐบาล (จี2จี) ระหว่างรัฐบาลไทยกับรัฐบาลสวีเดน

2. ให้ผู้บัญชาการทหารอากาศ เป็นผู้รับมอบอำนาจลงนามในข้อตกลงการซื้อขายเครื่องบิน ในนามรัฐบาลไทย รวมทั้งแก้ไขข้อตกลงการซื้อขายเครื่องบินโดยวงเงินรวมไม่เปลี่ยนแปลง

ทั้งนี้ มีการอธิบายจาก พล.อ.ชลิต พุกผาสุข ผู้บัญชาการทหารอากาศ ได้ข้อสรุปเพิ่มเติมว่า เมื่อเป็นเช่นนั้นแล้ว มีเงื่อนไขพิเศษที่รัฐบาลสวีเดนจะจัดให้ เป็นข้อที่ 3 คือ ทางรัฐบาลสวีเดน ในการเจรจากับคณะกรรมการ จะมีการจัดเครื่องบินควบคุมและแจ้งเตือนทางอากาศ ติดตั้งอุปกรณ์เรดาร์แบบอีรีอาย 1 เครื่อง หรือ 1 ลำ กับเครื่องบินลำเลียงแบบ SAAV-340 จำนวน 1 เครื่อง พร้อมทั้งทุนการศึกษาระดับปริญญาโท จำนวน 92 ทุน และระบบดาต้าลิงก์ สำหรับการป้องกันทางอากาศในระบบควบคุมและแจ้งเตือนภาคใต้ เพราะฉะนั้นเครื่องบินที่มีการตกลงนั้นแบ่งเป็น 2 ส่วน ลักษณะประเภทเครื่องบิน คือ 1 ที่นั่ง จำนวน 2 ลำ และ 2 ที่นั่ง จำนวน 4 ลำ รวม 6 ลำ เฉพาะค่าจัดซื้อเครื่องบินพร้อมอุปกรณ์อะไหล่ และการฝึกอบรม 18,284 ล้านบาท

ส่วนเรื่องการปรับปรุงอาคารสถานที่และการบริหารโครงการ ในส่วนกองทัพอากาศรับผิดชอบ ซึ่งต้องดำเนินการก่อนและหลังการรับมอบเครื่องบิน เป็นเงิน 716 ล้านบาท ทั้งหมดมี 3 ประเด็นด้วยกัน


Another update

I'll translated only the important part.

1. The ministry of Defense will conducted the procurment porcess on 6 JAS-39 Gripen with spare part, associated equipment, training, ground facility installation and project management on the Government-to-Government basis.

2. Commander-in-Chief of RTAF, on behalf of Royal Thai Government, will sign the contact.

3. RTAF will recieved 1 Saab 340 equipped with ERIEYE radar, 92 master degree scholarship and Datalink system. 6 Gripens will be devided into 2 single-seat C models and 4 dual-seat D models. Overall price is 18,284 million Baht. RTAF will take responsibility on facility installation on the budget worth 716 million Baht.

:D

We can expect for the second batch soon. woot

signatory
01-08-2008, 07:27 AM
Good info as always Skyman :)


Cabinet gives green light to buy Swedish jet fighters
BANGKOK, Jan 8 (TNA) - The cabinet has approved the procurement by the Royal Thai Air Force of six Swedish-made Gripen jet fighters with a Bt19 billion budget.
http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=2194

signatory
01-08-2008, 08:01 AM
Norwegian update

The Norwegian MOD confirm they will send out the Request for Binding Information (RBI) this month. It will be sent to Eurofighter, Gripen and LM.

List of lobbyists


Eurofighter:
Bertel O. Steen: Geir Remmen, Per O. Lie og Eivind Schibbye.
Apeland Informasjon: Nils Apeland
Competence: Aage Eknes
JEPCON: Per Oscar Jacobsen

Lockheed Martin:
Charles A. Horner (eks-general)
Nordic American: William W. Nunn, Per Bøthun,
Brian Bach, Lucille Lund
JKL: Lars Erik Mørk, Øystein Berntzen

Gripen:
Jan Nygren, Knut Solvang, Rolf Nereng, Øivind Solvang, Arild Ingierd, Sten-Åke Forsberg, Sven Arild Andersen, Svein Sivertsen, Steinar Olsen.
Tor Rønholt, Gunnar Fredrikson, Tore Bolstad, Anders
Thorheim og Arne Solli.
Burson-Marsteller: Sigurd Grytten

La det swinge....

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=515119
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=515144

Herman the II
01-08-2008, 08:11 AM
Norwegian update

The Norwegian MOD confirm they will send out the Request for Binding Information (RBI) this month. It will be sent to Eurofighter, Gripen and LM.



So the Eurofighter GmbH is still in the race? Interesting, but I somehow don't believe that their chances are any good...

signatory
01-08-2008, 08:15 AM
So the Eurofighter GmbH is still in the race? Interesting, but I somehow don't believe that their chances are any good...

Yeah they are in.. a lot of media wrongly said they quit.. but they just "suspended" its activities.. whatever that means. Like a protest.

signatory
01-08-2008, 11:12 AM
Saab selects Thales for Gripen IFF
(2008-01-08)
By: Thales Group

Saab has awarded Thales a contract to supply new IFF* Combined Interrogator-Transponders (CITs**) for its JAS 39 Gripen combat aircraft and to upgrade existing IFF equipment on other Gripen aircraft.

The contract covers a total of 143 aircraft:


68 Swedish Air Force Gripens will be equipped with NATO Mode 4 Combined Interrogator-Transponders that incorporate the latest version of the IFF standard

A further 75 Gripens in service with the Swedish Air Force, Hungarian Air Force and Czech Republic Air Force with existing CITs will be upgraded to Mode 4 and Mode S capability to ensure compliance with the latest version of the standard


Once equipped, the aircraft will be ready for the transition to the new NATO Mode 5 IFF standard secure IFF capability.

The contract testifies to the high levels of satisfaction that Thales has achieved with its equipment on Saab combat aircraft and further establishes the company¿s global leadership in IFF.

To date, Thales has supplied over 16,000 IFF units for more than 100 air, land and naval platform types around the world.

Thales Group NR (http://www.epicos.com/epicos/portal/media-type/html/user/anon/page/default.psml/js_panename/News+Information+Article+View;jsessionid=4D63C74C003F4C97958A6D715432F8E7.tomcat1?articleid=89057&showfull=false)

signatory
01-09-2008, 08:36 AM
Gripen News Magazine 2007/2

Now available for download (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/7CFAF887-FB78-4397-A7E3-B1EADC55BCB5/0/gripen_news_2007_2.pdf).



http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/733FBAF1-1D1A-4D23-8BF7-C723C862C7F1/0/080109_gn_0702_212dotjpg

2008-01-09 | This latest issue of 'Gripen News' includes a report on Thailand's decision to select the Gripen to meet its national defence needs, features on the how the Saab/Gripen team intend to meet the Indian Air Force's MMRCA requirement for 126 multi-role fighters, the Gripen Demonstrator programme and the Swedish government's contract awards to Saab for the creation of an upgraded and common standard of Gripen fighters for the Swedish Air Force fleet and the Cobra helmet mounted display system. This issue also looks at the historic and highly successful Hungarian Air Force Gripen deployment to Italy to take part in 'Spring Flag 2007', as well the Swedish Air Force Gripen deployments to the UK to to take part in combat training exercises as well its participation in the annual Nordic Air Meet in Sweden. This bumper issue also takes a look at Saab's rich avaiation heritage as it celebrates 70 years at the leading edge of military aviation, as well as updates on the Gripen team's expanding online services and features.

Link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080109_gripennews.htm)

ozumn
01-09-2008, 01:13 PM
I allways smile like a fool when i read about the Hungarians in Italy hehe.

signatory
01-09-2008, 01:49 PM
I allways smile like a fool when i read about the Hungarians in Italy hehe.

Heh yeah it's nice from many viewpoints.. 1) their first NATO exercise 2) Only team with 100% availability and 3) despite being seriously restricted in weapons, tactics and overmanned by at least twice as many jets they get kills on all kinds of jets

If i remember correct the Red force was just 2 x JAS39 and 4 x F-16ADF they had no amraams and datalinks while the Blue Side were a larger mix of more modern F-16s, Typhoons, Tornado, Jammers, AWACS etc..

I guess that's how NATO exercise.. do everything to make sure the blue can't lose. p-)

Skyman
01-11-2008, 01:58 AM
Yeah. RTAF already releases the news about Gripen after the cabinet approval. (in Thai lanugage)

They also release the time frame as follow

- Gripen will be delivered within 36 months after the contact has been signed. (sign around Jan - Feb 2008) First 3 jets in Jan 2011 and another 3 on Mar 2011 and RTAF will declare the combat ready on Sep 2011.
- Saab 340 and ERIEYE will be delivered in 2010.
- Training will begin in 2008.
- Spare part will be delivered in 2010
- Master Degree scholarship will be handed to Thailand in 2009 to 2012


And finally, ACM Chalit, Commander-in-Chief of RTAF, will after the Children's Day air show on 12 Jan leave for Sweden to sign the contact.

I'll waiting for the news on Gripen.com woot ........ and let see if the Saab can beat those time frame like the other deal. :)

signatory
01-11-2008, 06:21 AM
And finally, ACM Chalit, Commander-in-Chief of RTAF, will after the Children's Day air show on 12 Jan leave for Sweden to sign the contact.

I'll waiting for the news on Gripen.com woot ........ and let see if the Saab can beat those time frame like the other deal. :)

Great start to 2008.. So in 2011 Gripens can protect Swedish tourists woot

Since it's FMV (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=3871)selling the planes there will probably be no news until everything is signed... I've never seen them pre-announce anything...

Gripens+Erieye = Information Superiority p-)
...
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9016/46893878jr1dotjpg


“One aspect of my visit I did not foresee was the Gripen’s information transfer capability. I had expected a modern fighter, fly-by-wire aircraft to handle well – I expected good performance, I even expected highly sophisticated planning and training aids, but I had never seen the likes of its tactical information data-link system. ”

- Dan Griffith (former RAF test pilot), AirForces Monthly magazine.

Skyman
01-13-2008, 11:33 PM
Saab is also eyeing the Nordic states for further sales of its Gripen, with deliveries to the Czech Republic and Hungary now complete and South Africa to commence frontline operations this year. Stockholm recently won a surprise deal to deliver Gripens to Thailand, and the type's long-term sales prospects will be supported this year by the first flight of an enlarged-size demonstrator.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/12/21/220492/2008-forecast-defence-in-holding-pattern-in-usa.html


It's not surprise I have to say.

The things that happened before RTAF announced the decision are as follow.....

- The final candidate is F-16 and Gripen

- When the decision is about to make. RTAF asked a final question to LM about technology transfer that RTAF want. But no reply. I have to say again, no response. That's means we asked but they didn't answered. That's why some comment on Thai media said that Saab is more eager to sell its Gripen than LM. So I don't understand why LM express its disappointmet when the decision is made. :(

- It is Saab that offers the complete system to RTAF. We want AEW&C for almost 20 years. And now ERIEYE will be integrated into the new RTAF's air defense system that currently installing. They also offers technology and many offset. But LM only offers a ***** jets. That means the same amount of money spended on the Saab deal can only buy F-16s without any weapon. It's too expensive for us.

- This will be the first time RTAF got anti-ship missile and its somewhat urgently needed given the fact that the gulf of Thailand is become busy when everyone discover oil and gas.

- The last RTAF's European fighter was spitfire that commissioned just after WWII. Only 3 years in service. After that RTAF long depend on Americian figther; F8F, F-84G, F-86F/L, F-5A/B/C/E/F, F-16A/B/ADF. This is the first time in more than 50 years that RTAF put their future to the European fighter. Gripen will be the 20th fighter type of the 95 years history of RTAF. And it's official name in RTAF will be "Fighter Type 20th" or "B.Kh.20"

- But do not worry. The US will eventually got something. We are about to launch a MLU program on Falcon and RTAF seem to go to LM. The next fighter type in next 20 - 30 years will be the F-35 for sure. They already eyes on that. Maybe in 2030 or around that time when we can buy F-35. Just wait, we do not abadon you. We still remember the thing you did in the past that help our country stay independent. :D

signatory
01-14-2008, 12:02 PM
- It is Saab that offers the complete system to RTAF.


:) LM might be annoyed because Gripen keep eating into their market share..

Saab Upgraded To Buy

...and this is something Goldman Sachs has noticed too.... in their latest research paper they mention also the Thailand deal and overall see that Saab has transformed from a company dependent on the Swedish military to a global defense company with most sales on the international market, wide portfolio, can think the unthinkable and offer complete attractive packages and win large orders against the biggest players in the world.


LONDON, Jan 14, 2008 (Thomson Financial via COMTEX) -- SMGKF | news | PowerRating | PR Charts -- Goldman Sachs has upgraded Saab to 'buy' from 'neutral'

The broker also adds Saab to its Buy List with a target of 169 skr.


The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., or simply Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS), is one of the world's largest global investment banks. Goldman Sachs was founded in 1869, and is headquartered in the Lower Manhattan area of New York City at 85 Broad Street

Gripen in-flight re-fuels with French KC135

Already posted here but now on gripen.com with detailed info.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/4E749FA3-D14B-40CD-BBF4-5BB01AE3B1F1/0/080114_aar_360dotjpg

More news and refueling photos on gripen.com (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080111_aar.htm)


Norway Seeks To Soothe U.S. Fears Over Fighter Contest


Posted 01/14/08 16:12
HELSINKI, Finland — Norway is trying to soothe U.S. officials who fear the F-35 Lightning II will be squeezed from consideration for the Norwegian Armed Force’s (NAF) $8 billion fighter replacement program.

“We are likely to see a landmark agreement between Norway and Sweden in 2008 that involves an unprecedented level of collaboration between the defense forces of each country,” the Norwegian MoD source said. “Interoperability of equipment has been a mainstay of the ongoing talks.”

The potential cooperation with the Swedish Air Force has U.S. officials worried about the F-35’s chances in the Norwegian competition.

Full story (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=3296770&C=europe)

Skyman
01-16-2008, 01:38 AM
Thai cabinet approves budget for Saab Gripen fighters
By Siva Govindasamy

Thailand's cabinet has approved a 19 billion baht ($568 million) budget for the first phase of its F-X fighter competition, advancing an order for six Saab Gripen C/D fighters, plus accessories, spare parts and flight training programmes.

The aircraft will be used to replace part of the Royal Thai Air Force's fleet of Northrop F-5Es, which have fallen behind a newer generation of fighters operated by other south-eastern Asian nations, such as Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore.

Thailand’s first Gripen is likely to be handed over late this year, with the last to be delivered in 2012, although Sweden’s Defence Materiel Administration is still waiting for approval from its government to finalise the sale.

Bangkok also has options on a further six Gripens, but a decision on these will have to be made by a new government, with general elections having taken place in December.

A budget of 15.4 billion baht has been set aside for the second phase, with deliveries expected from 2013. Two Saab 340 airborne early warning aircraft have also been included as part of the overall Gripen deal (both types pictured below in Swedish air force markings).

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=21093
© Frans Dely/Gripen International


Confirmation of the Gripen order follows several years of lobbying by Saab and the Swedish government, which had faced competition from types including the Boeing F/A-18, Lockheed Martin F-16C/D, RSK MiG-29 and Sukhoi Su-30.

Buoyed by its success in Thailand, the Gripen team is now preparing its proposal for India's approximately $10.2 billion competition for 126 new multirole combat aircraft. The design faces opposition from the F/A-18, F-16 and MiG-35, plus Dassault's Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/01/15/220749/thai-cabinet-approves-budget-for-saab-gripen-fighters.html

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Hey I need to explaine something on this news. p-)

- The name of this program is not F-X. In fact, the official name is "The procurement of replacement fighter of B.Kh.18A/B (F-5B/E)". But in Thailand we always called this program by its nickname, "Fighter Type 20th Porgram" or "B.Kh.20 Program"

- The delivery date is set to 2011

- MiG-29 never paticipated in this competition. It's only Gripen, F-16C/D, and Su-30MKIT. F/A-18E/F was added up later.

:hug:

signatory
01-16-2008, 03:05 PM
Gripen fires IRIS-T air-to-air missile

The Saab Gripen new generation fighter has successfully test fired a fully functional, guided version of the advanced IR air-to-air missile IRIS-T for the first time.

2008-01-16 | An important milestone in the integration of IRIS-T with the Gripen fighter, was achieved on 8 November 2007 at the Vidsel range in northern Sweden when Gripen fired the IRIS-T, within visual range (WVR), missile with an operational target seeker for the first time. It was a high g-load test firing using a fully operational missile without a warhead. The test was completely successful with the missile finding and shooting down the designated target.

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With IRIS-T, the Gripen’s close combat capacity is greatly increased, a significant factor in international operations. The missile is being developed to combat targets at short range and is also designed to strike targets behind the firing aircraft.

IRIS-T will enter service alongside the Cobra HMD (Helmet Mounted Display) System, giving the SAF Gripens a formidable new combat edge.

International prestige project
Development and production of IRIS-T is being carried out in a European collaborative project involving six different countries; Sweden, Germany, Greece, Italy, Norway and Spain. The industrial consortium is led by Diehl BGT Defence from Germany, and Sweden is participating through Saab Bofors Dynamics, which is responsible for the Aircraft Interface Unit (internal and external wiring and communication) and Signal Processing Unit (missile computer) and accompanying image and signal handling.

IRIS-T will initially arm Gripen, Eurofighter, F-16, F-18 and Tornado aircraft and will eventually replace the US-produced Sidewinder missile.

Saab’s task of integrating the IRIS-T into the Gripen fighter came from a Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) contract awarded at the end of 2005. The first test firing under the framework of the order, a ballistic non-guided firing, took place in June 2007. This latest firing was the next step in the integration programme, which will continue during 2008 with more test firings from other weapon stations on the Gripen fighter.

Link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080115_irist.htm)
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Snooz
01-16-2008, 04:31 PM
Thanks to signatory and Skyman for a steady flow of news.

Do you what designation IRIS-T will get in the SwAF (and also Meteor)?

signatory
01-16-2008, 04:44 PM
Thanks to signatory and Skyman for a steady flow of news.

Thanks for looking :)


Do you what designation IRIS-T will get in the SwAF (and also Meteor)?

IRIS-T is Rb98

Never heard of a designation for Meteor... AMRAAM is Rb99 as you know. so depends on other projects but Rb100 shouldn't be such a crazy idea..

Jesupojk
01-17-2008, 12:52 PM
Switzerland invites Gripen team to bid for F-5 Tiger replacement

The Gripen team is delighted to be invited by the Swiss authorities to meet Switzerland’s future combat aircraft needs.
2008-01-17 | Gripen International has received a formal invitation from armasuisse, the Swiss defence material administration, to submit initial bids for the supply of Gripen fighter aircraft to replace the Swiss Air Force’s ageing F-5 combat aircraft. The Swiss Armed Forces plan to replace their fleet of F-5 fighter aircraft in the next decade and Gripen is one among four invited suppliers.



http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080117_ch_rfp.htm

Pars
01-17-2008, 01:01 PM
Switzerland invites Gripen team to bid for F-5 Tiger replacement

The Gripen team is delighted to be invited by the Swiss authorities to meet Switzerland’s future combat aircraft needs.
2008-01-17 | Gripen International has received a formal invitation from armasuisse, the Swiss defence material administration, to submit initial bids for the supply of Gripen fighter aircraft to replace the Swiss Air Force’s ageing F-5 combat aircraft. The Swiss Armed Forces plan to replace their fleet of F-5 fighter aircraft in the next decade and Gripen is one among four invited suppliers.



http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080117_ch_rfp.htm

Great news! woot

Made my day

striker7
01-17-2008, 02:19 PM
does anyone have more infos on GRIPEN A/B ,GRIPEN C/D and GRIPEN NG RCS and the number of targets tracked by the PS-05/A radar ( TWS mode ) ??

jontew
01-17-2008, 03:49 PM
Switzerland invites Gripen team to bid for F-5 Tiger replacement

The Gripen team is delighted to be invited by the Swiss authorities to meet Switzerland’s future combat aircraft needs.
2008-01-17 | Gripen International has received a formal invitation from armasuisse, the Swiss defence material administration, to submit initial bids for the supply of Gripen fighter aircraft to replace the Swiss Air Force’s ageing F-5 combat aircraft. The Swiss Armed Forces plan to replace their fleet of F-5 fighter aircraft in the next decade and Gripen is one among four invited suppliers.



http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080117_ch_rfp.htm


Thats really great news! :) :)

signatory
01-17-2008, 05:37 PM
Great to see Switzerland moving forward :)

Other than a lower fly-away-cost the Gripen has some key selling points in the Swiss campaign. Just by being a cousin to their Hornets...

Such as


Engine platform GE F404/RM12 including Volvo Aeros radial flame holder shared on Swiss F-18

Weapons platform Amraam/Sidewinder, shared with Swiss F-18

Switzerland's long use of Swedish airspace for training purposes, now the support infrastructure would already be in place.

Switzerland don't do Air to Ground, thus no direct need for ridiculously heavy multirole jets. Should they still need this capability in the future the Gripen can do it appropriatly.

Hangar size issue, Gripen will fit in F-5 caverns without modification.

Single engine 'alp friendly'


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Norwegian Defense Minister to visit Saab in April

http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/FD/Nyhetsbilder/wallenbergdotJPG

Saab's chairman Marcus Wallenberg visited on January 15 the Norwegian MOD for discussions. Anne-Grete Strøm-Erichsen said she would visit Saab late April. Wallenberg apparently said he felt the competition was for real.

link (http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/fd/aktuelt/nyheter/2008/-Opplever-konkurransen-som-apen-og-rettf.html?id=496783)

Skyman
01-17-2008, 09:01 PM
Great to see Switzerland moving forward :)


Switzerland don't do Air to Ground, thus no direct need for ridiculously heavy multirole jets. Should they still need this capability in the future the Gripen can do it appropriatly.



Oh, Very interesting to me to hear this. Why do they don't perform a A2G combat?

signatory
01-17-2008, 09:31 PM
Brainiac

Mercury Computer Systems (http://www.mc.com/industries/aero/radar/tactical_radar.aspx)is the supplier of the processing core for the JAS Gripen C/D.

In 1997, Mercury supplied Ericsson Microwave Systems (Now Saab) with a license and technology contract for Mercury's RACE Series commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) product line based on Power PC. Ericsson had successfully been using the architecture for the EriEye Airborn Radar and decided to use it for the new JAS 39 C/D. By doing so the computing power was significantly enhanced.

Within a couple of years Northrop Grumman (http://www.mc.com/mediacenter/pressrelease.aspx?id=9230)and Raytheon followed EMS and selected the same architecture for their 21st century radar designs. Most recently Raytheon signed (http://www.embeddedstar.com/press/content/2004/2/embedded12722.html)for the F-35 Integrated Core Processing (ICP) system.

Mercury's COTS system is highly scalable so a producer can increase computing power within reasonable costs, power consumption and space. Using additional daughter cards and processors. Without losing software compatibility over the years.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4251/mercurysiteey8dotjpg

Mercury Website (http://www.mc.com/industries/aero/radar/tactical_radar.aspx)

Big Lebowski
01-22-2008, 07:56 AM
Saab has offered to sell 48 Gripen Fighters to Denmark for 22 billion DKK (about 4,2 billion dollars) thats 458 mill DKK pr. aircraft (about 90 mill dollars)

This adds further pressure on the Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter who neither can or will set a prize for their aircrafts.

signatory
01-22-2008, 09:58 AM
Saab has offered to sell 48 Gripen Fighters to Denmark for 22 billion DKK (about 4,2 billion dollars) thats 458 mill DKK pr. aircraft (about 90 mill dollars)

This adds further pressure on the Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter who neither can or will set a prize for their aircrafts.

Thanks. About the same price they talked about for Norway but the news today also specify the offer to Denmark include Training, Flight simulators and Service for the first 20 years.

Saab has also signed Danish industry contracts for more than 100% of the contract sum.

They really used their business ties... Saab is the largest customer in the Danish defense industry (even larger than the Danish military) and now they call in favors. p-)

signatory
01-22-2008, 10:55 AM
counter measures

- if Pics don't load it's imageshack being abusive. Reload/try later.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1594/twogripenflareskk0dotjpg

In defense against IR and radar systems as well as for show of force sorties the jet has several dispensers for active counter measures.

A dispenser hold a number of cartridges and each cartridge hold many flares/chaffs. They are part of and controlled by the Gripen Electronic Warfare System.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/9868/gripenewsuiteoy5dotjpg

Sweden use 1”x1” or 1”x2” multispectral flares in the BOP/C dispenser (SwAF name BOY403). The jet has 4 of these dispensers integrated in the rear. They can be loaded with both chaffs and flares cartridges.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9538/gripenirboy403fu7dotjpg
4 x BOP / C

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/896/825flaresjr1dotjpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7775/825facklor2fj7dotjpg
A Gripen 39D after a sortie over Britain last year.

Also a BOP/B (SwAF BOY402) dispenser on under-wing pylon 2 (2 dispensers in total per jet)

The BOP/B can be loaded with chaffs, flares and towable decoy.

The towable decoy is not in use with the SwAF today but if it were would provide a active anti-radar countermeasure that's towed ~100 meters behind the jet. The decoy has two-way communication and control with the EWS.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7443/gripenfacklorkontrollbood4dotjpg
BOP / B

The new Multi Missile Launcher (MML) (http://www.flight-refuelling.com/products/ame/mml.htm) rail which is installed between weapon and pylon can also be fitted with countermeasures.

MML can be fitted with flares, chaffs and even the latest "burning chaffs" which is just what they sound like, a chaff that acts also like a flare. MML can be installed on all four under-wing weapon pylons.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9589/mml274a53axk0dotjpg
MML carrying a METEOR mockup.

BOL is also used on Gripen with the 'old' launcher rail but is being phased out as the MML support new missiles like METEOR. BOL carry a large number of cartridges. BOL can also carry a towable decoy.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4672/gripenremsorloadedzx5dotjpg
BOL and BOP /B

To conclude, a normal JAS39C can be fitted with 10 dispensers filled with whatever they need to be filled with.

As best to my knowledge.
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BOL

BOL (http://products.saabgroup.com/PDBWebNew/GetFile.aspx?PathType=ProductFiles&FileType=Files&Id=5710)is one of the more successful countermeasure systems used on a number of jets around the world. The largest contract most recently was for outfitting all Eurofighter Tranche 2 jets.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2849/bol2zq2dotjpg

BOL was invented at CelsiusTech by a gentleman called Bo Lindgren who long worked as a "smart man" on Swedish missile systems.

Lindgren also contributed to the development of four weapon systems on the JAS Gripen but was forced to early retirement due to hip problems that eventually put him in a wheel chair.

6 years after retirement Saab (now the owners of Celsius) awarded Lindgren their Saab Innovator's Prize. And after lots of training contrary to doctor's orders and hip replacement surgery he was finally up and walking again.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6991/bolgubbensu3dotjpg
Bo Lindgren a few days before his 70th birthday last October.

Caprice
01-22-2008, 11:57 AM
Some news from South Africa.

SAAF pilots set for Gripen training in September:

The South African Air Force's first six instructor pilots for the Saab Gripen will commence training activities in September, with development testing having recently concluded using its first of 26 aircraft. Conducted from the Gripen Flight Test Centre (GFTC) at Overberg air base, the programme totalled 199 sorties and 178 flight hours between August 2006 and November 2007. Work culminated with around 10 operational-standard flights, including simulated air-to-air combat with a SAAF Denel Cheetah C the service's current frontline fighter.


Some problems with the fuel tank but no big deal I guess:

The aircraft was temporarily grounded on 17 January following a Swedish investigation into a flow problem identified with a new external fuel tank design used by the aircraft and some Saab-operated Gripen test aircraft.

The fuel tank problem was the cause of one of just three aborted flights during the Overberg campaign, says Magnus Lewis-Olsson, manager flight test operations, with the remainder caused by environmental control system faults.BTW, why do they design a new droptank, is it bigger?



Tests will continue later this year:

Flights with Rafael's Litening II targeting pod will commence in mid-year, with the SAAF close to selecting a laser-guided bomb for the Gripen. A large number of unguided bomb drops were conducted during the recent test campaign, but the air force looks likely to select an interim infrared-guided air-to-air missile, as Denel's selected A-Darter weapon is still under development.More here: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/01/22/220938/saaf-pilots-set-for-gripen-training-in-september.html

Regards C.

signatory
01-22-2008, 04:05 PM
Some problems with the fuel tank but no big deal I guess:
BTW, why do they design a new droptank, is it bigger?


Don't know if there's any change in design but they changed manufacturer from Sargentfletcher to RUAG in 2006 for export models. Those first RUAG tanks were delivered just late last year... could be a manufacturing flaw.. but I dunno.

oldsoak
01-22-2008, 04:19 PM
Saab has offered to sell 48 Gripen Fighters to Denmark for 22 billion DKK (about 4,2 billion dollars) thats 458 mill DKK pr. aircraft (about 90 mill dollars)

This adds further pressure on the Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter who neither can or will set a prize for their aircrafts.

Denmark is in a position where it cannot make a bad choice. All contenders are very good aircraft.
the Gripen is excellent for the Danes ( -As much as I would like to seem them fly the EF ) - and frankly, SAAB is more likely to be in a postion to re-act rapidly to RDAF needs.

wild_wild_wes
01-22-2008, 10:56 PM
Wouldn't Denmark's (and some of the other European countries) best course of action to be to buy Gripens now, replacing a portion of their current inventory of older fighters, then buy F-35s say around 2018-2020, when they are later production models, well proven and capable? Then they could retire the rest of the older planes, and have a mixed, modern force of Gripens and F-35s...

signatory
01-23-2008, 03:33 AM
Wouldn't Denmark's (and some of the other European countries) best course of action to be to buy Gripens now, replacing a portion of their current inventory of older fighters, then buy F-35s say around 2018-2020, when they are later production models, well proven and capable? Then they could retire the rest of the older planes, and have a mixed, modern force of Gripens and F-35s...

Not really though Denmark did fly F-16s and Saab Draken at the same time during the 80/90s... for Denmark and Norway the current Gripen doesn't have enough range for the North sea/Atlantic patrols so only the new version can be a real option and that one won't be ready for deliveries until 2013. That is, if they want the new improved avionics architecture too.

Either way they choose US companies will be happy..

signatory
01-23-2008, 03:45 AM
Gripen Demo to roll out this spring ?

Swedish technology magazine NyTeknik says so (http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/flygplan/article61406.ece).

Official Handover of Gripen Fleet To Hungary

On Monday. The Swedish Defense minister will personally hand over the Gripen jets to the Hungarian nation.

A Thailand deal should be imminent too as the Thai junta has now dissolved themselves and the elected gov coalition held its first sessions this week. The Spokesman for the SwMOD says the deal is on their table now.

Caprice
01-23-2008, 08:38 AM
Signatory: Thanks for your former reply, sounds plausible.

Gripen Demo on wheels already this spring... interesting (and exciting) to say the least. :)

C.

Snooz
01-23-2008, 09:25 AM
Here in Linköping one can often hear the thunder of RM12 as a new Gripen makes its first flight from Saab's airfield. During the last weeks I've been listening extra carefully and wondered if it could be the Gripen Demo taking off. Can't be many months left now.

Later this year Gripen will celebrate 20 years in the air, good to hear that a new version probably will have been shown by then.

Skyman
01-24-2008, 12:05 AM
A Thailand deal should be imminent too as the Thai junta has now dissolved themselves and the elected gov coalition held its first sessions this week. The Spokesman for the SwMOD says the deal is on their table now.

The military-appointed cabinet just finish its final meeting on the passed tuesday. The elected-parliament will elect the PM on Friday. The King should endorse the civilian government in early Feb and we can welcome the democracy finally. woot


Wouldn't Denmark's (and some of the other European countries) best course of action to be to buy Gripens now, replacing a portion of their current inventory of older fighters, then buy F-35s say around 2018-2020, when they are later production models, well proven and capable? Then they could retire the rest of the older planes, and have a mixed, modern force of Gripens and F-35s...


Ummmm, this situation is somewhat the same as Thailand. RTAF chooses Gripen to replace F-5 (potential to order more) and they already said they will buys F-35 when the export model is avaliable to replace F-16. So, suppose in 2030, Gripen will fly along side F-35 in RTAF. :)

VIKTORSLAV
01-24-2008, 12:10 AM
I would love to get a couple squadrons of Gripens. They would compliment the aeroforce very well.

signatory
01-24-2008, 07:13 AM
I would love to get a couple squadrons of Gripens. They would compliment the aeroforce very well.

That would be nice... do you know if there's any new plan to buy jets ? Wasn't there some talk about cooperating with Hungary or Czechs ?

New Brochures

Here (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Publications/Brochures/Archive/BrochureArchive.htm)

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/113E34D7-5CB5-44E8-9F96-98CCD3E7744D/0/Seeing_is_believingdotjpg


Launched in January 2008, ‘Seeing is Believing’ (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/AA7D1BF0-752F-487C-974A-A8C97CE11104/0/Gripen_Seeing_is_believing.pdf)is our new 24-page introduction to the Gripen new generation fighter. This comprehensive brochure takes an in-depth look at the key features of the Gripen new generation fighter, including never-before published comparative data on Gripen’s superior operational availability and life cycle costs, compared with older generations of aircraft. In addition, this brochure includes an updated Gripen ‘cut-away’ image and an updated graphic showing Gripen’s impressive array of internationally sourced weapons.


http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6389/flaghungaryb92cf7jm7dotpng

New Negotiations With Hungary

Today (http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/1877/a/23552) the Swedish Government will manage a request by the Defense Material Administration (FMV) for entering new negotiations and enhancement to the Hungarian JAS Gripen contract.

Can't guess what it means but there was always talks about adding another 6-12 Gripen jets when the first 14 jets had been delivered. It could be something less exciting of course but really small stuff usually don't make it to the government. If it's related to the visit by the defence minister to Hungary on Monday is also intriguing.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5082/czechflagc0d24eec1dotpng

The Czech Republic Get AMRAAMs

The US has finally delivered AIM-120C5 AMRAAM missiles to the Czech Republic for Gripen jets.

Saab Gripens integrated and fired live AIM-120-C5 missiles already in May 2005 to prepare for the Czech in-service entry that year but the airforce still only had Sidewinders and the gun until now.

link (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iO6jkVEOvl2rKdqsBO7m-RmmqGSw)

NOTE: On Thursday 31/1 the Czech defense Minister will be in Sweden for talks with his Swedish counterpart. The Czechs also look to extend the Gripen contract so it might be a start to such talks.

VIKTORSLAV
01-24-2008, 07:20 AM
That would be nice... do you know if there's any new plan to buy jets ? Wasn't there some talk about cooperating with Hungary or Czechs ?

We're waiting on the Fulcrums to die... our MoD is the cheapest SOBs in the EU. They are slated to last till at least 2010.

signatory
01-24-2008, 03:22 PM
Thailand Update....

http://i27.*******.com/2j4xz61dotjpg

The Swedish Government today approved the Thailand deal. Confirmed.

Now FMV is authorized to sign the deal which the Thai cabinet already approved 2 weeks ago.



Sverige säljer *** Jas-plan till Thailand (http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=736228&rss=1400)

På torsdagen blev en svensk stridsflygplansaffär för 3,8 miljarder kronor klar. Svenska regeringen godkände då vid sitt regeringssammanträde att Sverige säljer *** JAS 39 Gripen-flygplan av senaste modell till Thailand, uppger för Dagens Nyheter Mikael Östlund, pressekreterare hos försvarsminister Sten Tolgfors.

Trots att Thailand har styrts av en militärjunta sedan kuppen 2006, och trots att det pågår en väpnad konflikt i landets södra delar, blev affären klar på torsdagen, eftersom en ny demokratisk regering väntas bli klar i Thailand i nästa vecka.

- Jag kan bekräfta att regeringen i dag har bemyndigat Försvarets materielverk (http://www.fmv.se/default.aspx?id=121)att ingå avtal med flygvapnet i Thailand. Det handlar om en överlåtelse av ett integrerat luftövervakningssystem, avseende JAS 39 Gripen och radarövervakningssystemet Erieye.

Svenska regeringen anser att Thailand nu har blivit ett demokratiskt land eftersom militärjuntan upplöste sig själv i början av den här veckan, parlamentet har tillträtt och utsett talman och vice talmän, och en ny regering snart väntas tillträda.

"Det är mycket positivt att Thailand väljer det svenska Gripen när landet nu ska förnya sitt luftövervakningssystem. Det gynnar Sverige och de svenska skattebetalarna", säger försvarsminister Sten Tolgfors (http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/7875)i ett meddelande.

Gripensystemet är mycket kostnadseffektivt och jag kan med glädje konstatera ett ökande internationellt intresse för förvärv", säger Sten Tolgfors.

Thailand ska ersätta sitt nuvarande luftövervakningssystem när delar av landets nuvarande flygplansflotta avvecklas år 2011. Rollen är att övervaka det thailändska luftrummet och bedriva incidentberedskap.

Avtalet omfattar *** stycken Gripen, radarövervakningssystemet Erieye och tillhörande datalänksystem. Ordersumman uppgår till omkring 3,8 miljarder kronor. Leverans är tänkt att ske i början av år 2011.

Villkoret för att avtalet kan träda ikraft är att Inspektionen för strategiska produkter, ISP, efter prövning utfärdar exportlicens.

hapazard
01-24-2008, 03:28 PM
Great News!

DanteXavier
01-24-2008, 06:55 PM
Awesome, happy to see good news for the gripen program!

Skyman
01-24-2008, 08:34 PM
Thailand Update....

The Swedish Government today approved the Thailand deal. Confirmed.

Now FMV is authorized to sign the deal which the Thai cabinet already approved 2 weeks ago.


Oh yes, Finally (almost) we got the jet.

We, the military interesting group in Thailand, spend 4 years educating people how important to buy the new combat aircraft. Not to fight the other country but to save the pilot life that die from F-5 accident.

Where is the pen hummmm? You need it now!!!! rofl

woot woot woot woot woot woot woot



http://i27.*******.com/2j4xz61dotjpg

Oh, do you have a hi-res photo of this.p-)

phasio
01-25-2008, 03:58 AM
Is it be possible that Thailand will use the plane asap in the conflict in the south, and aid the war against the narcotics ?

Skyman
01-25-2008, 04:05 AM
Is it be possible that Thailand will use the plane asap in the conflict in the south, and aid the war against the narcotics ?

-100% possibility. Even today we do not use F-16 or Alpjahet. The aircraft we use is AU-23A Peacemaker, Black Hawk, and bell family.

Fighter is useless in deep south insurgency.

An the war from southern conflict, no sign of war here. -1000% possibility.

signatory
01-25-2008, 04:54 AM
Not to fight the other country but to save the pilot life that die from F-5 accident.

Very good point ! No life lost in a Gripen yet thank God..


Oh, do you have a hi-res photo of this.p-)

:) Sorry at least not now...

http://i32.*******.com/27ybsyxdotjpg
Webpoll on DN.se one of the largest national papers..

'Is it a good idea to sell?' at 80% Yes. Media give anti-export voices alot of space but most of the people support a sale.. it's not often we see such strong agreement on anything :)

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http://www.sweden.gov.se/img/logo_regeringskansliet_endotgif

Press release
25 January 2008
Ministry of Defence

Sweden enters into an agreement with Thailand on Gripen

On Thursday 24 January, the Government authorised the Defence Materiel Administration to enter into an agreement with the air force in Thailand on the transfer of an integrated air surveillance system comprising JAS 39 Gripen and the Erieye radar surveillance system.
"It is very positive that Thailand has chosen Swedish Gripen now that it is renewing its air surveillance system. It will benefit Sweden and Swedish tax-payers. The Gripen system is very cost-efficient and I am pleased to see growing international interest in its acquisition," says Minister for Defence Sten Tolgfors.

Thailand is to replace its present air surveillance system when parts of the country´s current air fleet are phased out in 2011. The system´s role will be to monitor Thailand´s airspace and conduct incident preparedness.

The agreement covers six Gripen aircraft, the Erieye radar surveillance system and the accompanying data-link systems. The order amounts to some SEK 3.8 billion. Delivery is planned to take place in early 2011.

Entry into force of the agreement is conditional upon the Swedish Inspectorate of Strategic Products (ISP) issuing export licences after a review.

http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/8182/a/96633



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Saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/the_swedish_government_approves_thailand_deal.htm)

2008-01-25 | The negotiations have been carried out between the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) and the Royal Thai Air Force.

This deal implies that Thailand will purchase six Gripen systems from the Swedish state, two of the C-version (single-seater) and four of the D-version (two-seater). The deal also covers two Saab 340 aircraft, one of will be equipped with Saab’s Erieye radar.

“This is a milestone and a very positive reinforcement for Saab. This means that there are now customers in six countries who have chosen Gripen. It is also very satisfying that the deal involves several other products from Saab, such as Saab 340, the Erieye surveillance radar and advanced command and control systems”, Åke Svensson, Saab’s CEO and President, comments on the deal.

Now that the government has approved the deal the negotiations between FMV and Saab can be finalised.

“This deal is extremely important for us in our work with potential Gripen customers. This is a new region of the world that now also chooses Gripen for its Air Force. We are now definitely world leading in the export of the new generation’s fighter aircraft and this confirms Gripen’s future export potential”, says Johan Lehander, Business unit manager at Gripen International.

Snooz
01-25-2008, 11:42 AM
'Is it a good idea to sell?' at 80% Yes. Media give anti-export voices alot of space but most of the people support a sale.. it's not often we see such strong agreement on anything :)

Agreed. Media have been bad-mouthing the Gripen-project from the start but the truth is that common people are very proud of our industrial and technological accomplishments.

Skyman
01-27-2008, 01:41 PM
Just found this. This is the press release from RTAF about Gripen program of the first six Gripens. Lucky it's in English. rofl

http://www.rtaf.mi.th/news/n07/gripen/Gripen_39.pdf

signatory
01-28-2008, 12:31 PM
Thanks Skyman and Snooz :)

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4122/imagevaulthandler7e298bqg2dotjpg

Ceremonial handover in Hungary

To mark the introduction of all 14 JAS 39C/D ordered by Hungary the Swedish MOD officially handed over the jets today to his counter part. The actual jets were delivered between 2006-2007.

Hungary fly the latest version and is part of the Swedish upgrade program. The payment plan is in the form of a 10 year leasing period - after that Hungary will own the jets. A Swedish support group is based in Hungary with 2 pilots and 12 technicians.

Miore about the Hungarian project (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/649DEB55-E9FE-476B-A8B2-E02CB6B54FDF/0/Gripen_SuccessStory_HU_low.pdf)can be read on Gripen.com.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4272/imagevaulthandler7bac28ih3dotjpg

FMV (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=3944)

SA 01

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9885/7topvv7dotjpg

Just to fatten up this post a bit. This picture is from November 2007 when South Africa's first Gripen was doing weapons integration trials. It made the cover of one of their magazines too.

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5992/coverpm9.thdotjpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coverpm9dotjpg)

hapazard
01-28-2008, 05:36 PM
Just found this. This is the press release from RTAF about Gripen program of the first six Gripens. Lucky it's in English. rofl

http://www.rtaf.mi.th/news/n07/gripen/Gripen_39.pdf

Heh, 92 scholarships at Swedish Universities for Thai students.:)

Skyman
01-28-2008, 10:34 PM
Heh, 92 scholarships at Swedish Universities for Thai students.:)


p-) Aha yes.

Oh another tip.

This is how RTAF called their new fighter.

Since JAS-39 is the Swedish designation so RTAF do not uses it. They call JAS-39C a "Gripen 39C" and JAS-39D a "Gripen 39D". Official designation is "B.Kh.20" for JAS-39C and "B.Kh.20K" for JAS-39D that refer to the full name "Krueng Bin Kab Lai Bab Ti 20" (Fighter Type 20th)

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1761/thaigripenvk6dotpng

:hug:

signatory
01-29-2008, 12:21 PM
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1374/rear6402he4dotjpg


Yesterday 28th January an official ceremony took place at the Hungarian air force base at Kecskemét, celebrating the successful delivery of all 14 Gripen aircraft to Hungary.

2008-01-29 | The last 3 aircraft that were delivered last December were handed over by the Swedish Defence Minister Sten Tolgfors to his counterpart Dr. Imre Szekeres. Sweden’s Ambassador to Hungary, Cecilia Björner, FMV General Director Gunnar Holmgren and other representatives from the Hungarian and Swedish armed forces were present.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1743/blahblah6402xq7dotjpg


"Our experiences in maintaining and operating the Gripen aircraft are clearly positive so far" said Colonel Nándor KILIÁN, deputy commander of the air base. "We are pleased with the training progress; we implement our training experiences in our everyday operation".

"The Hungarian Gripen pilots have already taken part in an international exercise last year in Sardinia with considerable success. Of course we will try to take part in more and more exercises and we are fully committed to have the Gripen take over the QRA mission from the MiG-29s by 2009".

With this ceremony, Sweden and FMV have delivered the latest version of Gripen to Hungary according to the contractual time plan. Also implemented according to the time plan is the training of Hungarian technicians and pilots by the Swedish air force, establishment of Swedish technicians and pilots in Hungary as advisors and a comprehensive logistic operation to establish the Gripen system at the air force base in Kecskemét.

Mats Hansson, FMVs project leader since the beginning of the Hungarian project in 2001, is very pleased with FMV´s commitment and work to the contract FMV has with Hungary.

"It has been an extremely extensive and demanding time but at the same time a challenge that has been very positive. I would like to say thank you to all the team involved in the contract to Hungary and also to our partners in the armed forces and Saab who have taken a huge part in delivering Gripen to Hungary".

The 14 latest Gripen now in the Hungarian air force will be leased until 2016 and then the Gripens will be bought by Hungary on the residual value.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3498/crew6402js2dotjpg
Photographer: Gábor Zord

Gripen.com (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080129_hu_ceremony.htm)

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VIDEO on TV2 (http://webcast.tv2.hu/dynamic/index.php?m=video&video_id=371285)

signatory
01-29-2008, 06:09 PM
Confirmation...

This evening during a Swedish TV8 (www.tv8.se)interview with Åke Svensson, President and CEO of Saab it was confimed the new Gripen Demo (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/2007/070619_demo.htm)will be presented to the media (i.e roll out) at the turn of the months April-May.

He declined to say when the first flight would come other than 'later this year'.

PS. What's also interesting about the Gripen Demo is that it will show how a old A->D model can be rebuilt into a heavier version in rather short time.

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BANGKOK (AFP) — Samak Sundaravej, an ally of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra, officially became Thailand's new prime minister Tuesday, after the nation's king endorsed his election by parliament.

Samak, dressed in formal whites and showing his full royal decorations, received the king's order in a brief ceremony at his home, broadcast live on Thai television.

link (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hWrIUAx5aXpjm3dIAMrmZy8r-PwA)

signatory
01-30-2008, 03:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/sMEdBONS6iU

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMEdBONS6iU)


28 January 2008 saw another significant milestone in the Gripen programme, when the Gripen fleet soared past the historic 100,000 flying hour mark.

2008-01-30 | With Saab test pilot Mats Thorbiörnson and South African Air Force (SAAF) Colonel Mike Edwards at the controls, South Africa’s second Gripen fighter (SA02) made history when during a scheduled flight test sortie, it passed the cumulative 100,000 flying hour mark for the Gripen fleet of new generation fighters.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6307/sa023ud7dotjpg


During the scheduled sortie, Gripen SA02 performed a hot re-fuelling short turn around. Commenting on the Gripen’s short turn around capability, Mats Thorbiörnson emphasized once again the operational benefits the Gripen offers. “It’s one of the fantastic features of the Gripen. We can actually perform a hot re-fuelling, with the engine running and with the minimum of ground crew, and get airborne again in under ten minutes. Gripen is designed to meet these operational requirements, including the ability to change an engine less than one hour”.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5064/sa02xz8dotjpg

Read The Full Story Here (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080130_MA_100khours.htm)

jontew
01-30-2008, 04:01 PM
Cool, I didn't know they could refuel with the engine running within 10 minutes. And changing the whole engine in under one hour? That's crazy! :D

Skyman
01-30-2008, 09:02 PM
a hot re-fuelling

Awesome!!!!!! :backhand:

Leaper
01-31-2008, 06:28 AM
Cool, I didn't know they could refuel with the engine running within 10 minutes. And changing the whole engine in under one hour? That's crazy! :D


Nah, the engine is just there by three screws/bolts. It´s really simple!

signatory
02-06-2008, 11:50 AM
Confidence

We often see news about the incredible 95-100% availability rates during exercises and while being nothing short of impressive the stats only cover a couple of days. Nice then of the Czech Republic to release availability numbers for a full year.

93% availability with 1905 flight hours.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4944/031zl6dotjpg
Czech-Swedish Joint Steering Committee meeting in Stockholm 04.02.2008

Or translated to flight ops, for just 7 of 100 planned sorties they need to use a backup jet.

In total since they began flyng JAS 39 they have stacked up 4437 flight hours. PS. While other NATO countries usually bring two backup jets with them for NATO:s Baltic Air Policing... the Czechs intend to bring just one.

Czech Armed Forces Website (http://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=10620)

Additional info:


"We were the only participants to have a 100% operational record with the scheduled aircraft." - Hungarian Air Force Colonel Nandor Kilian

Exercise Spring Flag 2007, held at Italy’s Decimomannu air base in Sardinia, was a major NATO event involving combat assets from France (E-3), Germany (F-4F ICE), Italy (AV-8B, F-16C, Tornado ECR and Eurofighter Typhoon), NATO (E-3) Turkey (F-16C). link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/SuccessStories/070918_hungary.htm)

SwAF at Coop Thunder - Red Flag Alaska 2006:
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6906/redflagophourseg2dotjpg

Maybe all modern jets is equally reliable? Well Italian Typhoons had availability issues at Spring Flag and apparently continue to be an annoyance (see below).


EUCOM.mil (http://www.eucom.mil/english/FullStory.asp?art=1519) Release Date: Dec 21, 2007 Operation Longshank
The red forces were incorporated into the exercise from Grossetto Air Base and initially included four Typhoon Eurofighters, but only two were actually able to participate.

"Since two of the typhoon jets couldn't fly, we had two of our F-16s join the red-air forces,"

But other days might be more embarrassing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/4864602.stm). p-)

Herman the II
02-06-2008, 12:21 PM
But other days might be more embarrassing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/4864602.stm). p-)


Shame on you.. You just had to dig that story out, right?:-(
That unplesent incident happened early 2006...

signatory
02-06-2008, 12:34 PM
Shame on you.. You just had to dig that story out, right?:-(
That unplesent incident happened early 2006...

lol yeap I was being a bit mean just for fun p-) It's a learning process and Gripen is a few years ahead on fly hours..

Skyman
02-07-2008, 01:34 AM
Just a little update for you from Thailand. :)


His Majesty the King Bhumibol on Wednesday swore in the new 36-member cabinet (http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/topstories.php?id=125766), telling ministers they must keep their promise to work for the nation - with honesty first and foremost.

and.....


The Council for National Security (CNS) officially ends its existence this morning (http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=125778), out of a job after an elected prime minister and his cabinet were sworn-in on Wednesday evening.

Welcome home democracy. :hug: Hope the Gripen deal will be fine. rofl

Skyman
02-08-2008, 11:32 AM
Well I write this article to clerify something.

As far as I read Swedish English newspaper, "The Local", there are some comment that says selling Gripen to Thailand is inappropriate because Thailand may uses Swedish jets in "Southern Thailand Unrest" and "War on Drug" which is violate the Swedish law.

Eventhough the Swedish government says it's OK about Thailand buying Gripen. But I like to say on behalf of the person who hold Thai nationality.

So let's get start, mates. :)

Southern Thailand Unrest & War on Drug

This must be devided into 2 stories.

Southern Thailand Unrest is the fighting between Thai officersand many militant groups in the deep south. The operation area consists of Yala, Stun, Pattani, and some part of Song Kla. The objective of those militant groups is to secede those province and establish the new state which they believe Thailand occupy this area that once a independent state back in 700 years ago.

The more detail is out of this article's scope.

War on Drug is one of the most famous policy of the Thaksin Shinawatra government about 6 years ago. The objective is to reduce the drug traffic as must as they can.

After the Thaksin's term was ended the war on drug is also over.

The uses of military equipment in these 2 incedent

Military operation in Southern Thailand is mostly a psychology warfare, a security patrol, checkpoint establishment, and guarding mission for teacher and monk who currently targetted by the militant. Thai Armed Force mostly uses groud troop. (thousand are deploy in the area) The aircraft that play a role in Southern Thailand Unrest is mostly a helicopter and UAV. The role is to patrol the area, deliver the troop, bring back the wounded, psychology warfare, etc. The helicopter model uses include UH-60L, UH-1H, Bell 212, Bell 412 and some other models. The fixed-wing aircraft that deploy in the area is AU-23A peacemaker. It is a military version of PC-6 Porter that uses for patrol the area. We can be seen the transporter aircraft like C-130H, Do-226, or BT-67 in transporting mission.

The war on drug was maintly focus on the drugseller. So the police play the role in this mission. There are many critic about human right issue in this policy and now The Department of Special Investigation (can be compared to FBI) is investigating the charge.

There are no attack aircraft uses in these 2 operation. This is include fighter, attacker, and trainer aircraft.

Why the attack-capable aircraft will not be used in these incident?

Because those aircraft is totally not suit for the mission. Southern Thailand Unrest is very different to the thing currently happen in Iraq or Afganistan were the coalition force uses many modern military equipment against the well-equipped terrorist group. The militant operation in Southern Thailand is focusing in bombplacing and shooting civilian and officer.

So Thai Armed Force never deploy and fighter in the area for the Southern Thailand mission. Because Thai militant group is hiding in the civilian house mixing with innocent people. The fighter is usless here.

What is the mission of Gripen in Thailand.

Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) seek for the F-5 replacement aircraft that currently protecting all part of Southern Thailand. The role of Gripen will be the air superiority, attacking, patroling, and maritime mission. The primary mission is to patrol the oil and gas site in the gulf of Thailand and patrol Thailand's air space.

I hope this will help you more understand about RTAF Gripen. p-)

By Skyman | 8 Feb 2008.

Skyman
02-10-2008, 11:22 PM
ACM Chalit is now in Sweden and the contact will be signed today. PM Samak said he was already informed by ACM himself and he give the green light.

woot woot woot

signatory
02-11-2008, 08:39 AM
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1075/imagevaulthandler486226el1dotjpg
(looks like 300 pages...)

Thailand Becomes 6:th Gripen User

Today at FMV the deal was indeed signed.

JAS Gripen has now been selected by 6 users and 5 Air forces on 3 continents.

Sweden, South Africa, UK's Empire Test Pilots School, Hungary, Czech Republic and now the Royal Thai Air force.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8861/imagevaulthandler4963f6cc1dotjpg

http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=3953

A English press release soon...

:)


FLASHBACK...

SUKHOTHAI, Thailand (AFP) Dec 20, 2005
Thailand on Tuesday denied media reports Bangkok had decided to buy 12 Russian fighter jets worth 500 million dollars.
"It's just a discussion, we haven't agreed on anything," Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra told reporters in between meetings of his cabinet in this city in northern Thailand.

"I think that it's a misunderstanding on the wording as there is no agreement to buy yet," he said.

The Moscow Times daily said Monday Russia had last week signed a preliminary agreement on the sale of the fighter jets to Thailand while the Interfax news agency also said that a definitive contract, involving barter trade, would be signed in mid-2006.

Defence Minister General Thammarak Isarangura Na Ayutthaya said the reports were "fabricated" but added Thailand was in talks over the purchase of jets with Russia, Sweden and the United States, the latter which had traditionally sold arms to Bangkok

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1423330

signatory
02-11-2008, 09:09 AM
Gripen agreement between Sweden and Thailand signed

At a ceremony in Stockholm today, FMVs (Swedish Defence Materiel Administration) Director General Gunnar Holmgren and Air Chief Marshal Chalit Pukbhasuk, Commander in Chief of the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF), signed an agreement for the delivery of six Gripen multirole fighter aircraft of the latest version and a surveillance system
2008-02-11 | With this agreement RTAF will be able to replace its outgoing F-5 aircraft at the beginning of 2011. RTAF will get six Gripen multirole aircraft of the latest C and D version (four two-seat Gripen D and two single-seat Gripen C fighters) together with one Saab 340 Erieye surveillance system and one Saab 340 aircraft for training and transport.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/F7AA514D-7913-4EC4-B2F5-9E83EE2E8AEC/0/080211_th_360dotjpg
Gunnar Holmgren and the Thai Air Force Chief Chalit Pukbhasuk at the contract signing

The Gripen system together with the Erieye surveillance system will give the RTAF the capability they have asked for regarding air surveillance and protection of Thailand’s territory.

In a comment to the agreement FMVs Director General, Gunnar Holmgren stated:

- We are of course very pleased that the RTAF have chosen the Gripen and Erieye systems to meet their future needs. Since we are well aware of the capability of both systems in Sweden, I am convinced that the RTAF also will be satisfied when they have started to operate the Gripen and Erieye.

The agreement also includes comprehensive logistic support and training of RTAF pilots and technicians, as well as simulators. Sweden will also provide Swedish Air Force pilots and technicians as advisors in Thailand during the introduction of the Gripen and Erieye systems in RTAF.

The delivery of the aircraft will take place in the beginning of 2011. The training in Sweden will start in 2009.

The total value of the agreement is 19 Billion Baht.

For further information please contact Ulf Lindström, Communications Manager at FMV, cell phone + 46 70 982 63 96, E-mail: ulf.lindstrom@fmv.se

http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080211_th_signing.htm

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http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/E8369017-4CBE-4AB6-A74B-A66132A9DC62/6244/071017_2_360dotjpg

SAABs Alternative Press release (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/saab_secures_sek_2_billion_thailand_deal.htm)

Skyman
02-11-2008, 10:29 AM
Finally, the first batch become reality. woot

Skyman
02-13-2008, 06:30 PM
How the RTAF's Gripen will be look like?

We have the initial answer here.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1936/f2il4dotgif

This photo is from the press conference in Bangkok after the contact signing ceremony in Sweden.

Photo by Fs.1 Rach Ratanawijarn of RTAF.

Also, on the press conference. ACM Chalit, Commander-In-Cheif of RTAF, said that the minister of defense of Swedish government already handed in the Security of Supply book that confirm the support and logistic for the entire time of service. Sweden also invites RTAF to join 'Gripen User Group' with the current Gripen customer.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8377/f3ws3dotgif

signatory
02-13-2008, 06:49 PM
Grey is fashionable... kind of cool to see the RBS-15 on a Thai model :)

Thanks for the update! I hope Thailand will join the User group.. no hurry yet.. I think the others still work on exactly how it will look like.. so it does not mean too many chefs and never any decisions..

Skyman have you heard anything when a batch 2 could be ordered?

signatory
02-13-2008, 07:09 PM
On the Swedish government desk Wednesday.



2008-02-14

5
Framställning från Försvarets materielverk om tillstånd att få lämna ut sekretessbelagd information avseende JAS 39 Gripen till Kroatien m.m.
Fö2007/3000/MIL

Request from FMV to hand over classified information about JAS 39 Gripen to Croatia etc *

* etc? kind of cryptic...

6
Framställning från Försvarsmakten om bemyndigande att förhandla och ingå överenskommelse med Sydafrika om tillfällig uppställning av sydafrikanska JAS 39 Gripen-flygplan

Request from the Armed Forces to negotiate and enter into agreement with South Africa about temporary parking/line up of South African JAS 39 Gripen jets

link (http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/1877/a/23552)


Go Croatia :)

For those who still don't know, FMV is the Swedish agency doing Foreign Military Sales.

orange
02-13-2008, 07:41 PM
^^
Nice little clip there Sig! I like it.

Pars
02-13-2008, 08:55 PM
Thanks! I friggin loved it, beautiful video!

Skyman
02-13-2008, 09:00 PM
Skyman have you heard anything when a batch 2 could be ordered?

The first batch is already orderd. So I think there are no problem about batch 2. RTAF need the cabinet approval again. But in Thailand, if you buy the initial equipment, the rest of the project is highly possible. :)

ozumn
02-14-2008, 08:06 AM
Well done Signatory, was awesome.

signatory
02-14-2008, 08:48 AM
Thanks very much guys :)

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Defence firm Saab Q4 pretax tops forecast


STOCKHOLM, Feb 14 (*******) - Defence and aerospace group Saab reported higher-than-expected fourth-quarter pretax earnings on Thursday and said it expected to develop this year in line with its long-term goals.

The firm posted a pretax profit of 1.18 billion Swedish crowns versus a year-ago 400 million versus a mean forecast of 978 million in a ******* survey of six analysts.

The Sweden-based firm said it forecast an organic sales growth of 5 percent and an operating margin of 10 percent in 2008. (Reporting by Stockholm Newsroom)
******* (http://www.*******.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSSAT00496020080214)

The stock market is responding with pleasure and Saab is up at mid-day...


THE 2007 REPORT
[2008-02-14 12:28]

Sales amounted to SEK 23,021 m. (21,063)

Net income for the year was SEK 1,941 m. (1,347)

Earnings per share amounted to SEK 17.60 (11.91)

The proposed dividend per share is SEK 4.50 (4.25)

Order bookings amounted to SEK 20,846 m. (27,575)
and the order backlog totaled SEK 47 billion (50)

Operating income amounted to SEK 2,607 m. (1,745)
and income after financial items was SEK 2,154 m. (2,290).

2007 Year End report (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=160528)



Note: Last week SEB (http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2008/02/07/afx4625557.html)the main bank behind Saab also came in with higher than expected profits. The massive losses seen in some banks due to the US credit market had been avoided for the most part. It's worth mentioning since SEB for example financed 80% of SAAB:s investment into Aker Holding (Aker Kvaerner).

SEB is a very old bank founded by Saab:s owner family the Wallenbergs. They began their investments into the arms industry with the purchase of Bofors Industries from Alfred Nobel.

Herman the II
02-14-2008, 08:53 AM
Gripen fires IRIS-T air-to-air missile



A bit older, but:
Is that already the digital version of the IRIS-T or is that the analog one at the moment?

Bolovo
02-14-2008, 02:04 PM
The thai Gripens are new or refurbished?

Skyman
02-15-2008, 04:53 AM
Totally off topic ..... Who is he? rofl

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3471/gripenheaddd7dotpng

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8089/thailand6thcustomercc9dotjpg

signatory
02-15-2008, 09:24 AM
^^ hahaha nice..

Royal Thai Air Force pushes for second Gripen batch

Air Marshal Kanit Suwannate told Jane's on 14 February that the RTAF hoped the new government would approve the funds for second purchase within 18 months.

Jane's (http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/jdi/jdi080215_1_n.shtml)


Saab signs new agreement with UK’s test pilots’ school

Test pilot students at the UK’s renowned Empire Test Pilots’ School (ETPS), will continue to fly Sweden’s new generation Gripen fighter under a new agreement with Saab.

2008-02-15 | Test pilot students at the renowned Empire Test Pilots’ School (ETPS), MOD Boscombe Down in the United Kingdom, will continue to have access to fly Sweden´s new generation Gripen fighter under the recently signed agreement with Saab.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/34EA9C3D-FD60-4847-91E6-2B18E254FDEF/0/080215_etps_360_3dotjpg

The agreement marks the 10th anniversary of collaboration between Saab and ETPS, which is an integral part of the UK Aircraft Test and Evaluation Centre (ATEC), and is operated by QinetiQ in partnership with the UK MOD.

This new agreement for 2008 will mirror the structured approach of the successful 2005-2007 campaigns, with two flying training campaigns in Sweden per year. The 2008 training campaigns will be for seven international students, each of whom will fly up to 11 hours on Gripen across seven sorties with their ETPS Instructor Pilots (IP’s).

"Saab is delighted that ETPS has chosen to further extend the training of its students on the Gripen. We have a high degree of interest in the art of flight test, so we are happy to co-operate with such a prestigious flight test school and expose our aircraft to such high-level personnel. We are also fully committed to supporting the future aspirations the ETPS may have for Gripen", says Lennart Sindahl, Executive Vice President of Saab.

Since 1999, ETPS has included Gripen in its test pilot training courses, working in conjunction with Saab. Groups of trainees and their instructor pilots (IP’s) have gone to Sweden to experience Gripen´s advanced cockpit technology and flight characteristics.

“Modern aircraft rely on both sophisticated flight control systems and advanced integrated mission systems for their effectiveness. It is important that future generations of test pilots and flight test engineers are exposed to these technologies and are able to test and evaluate them objectively. In recent years, ETPS has been using the Saab Gripen aircraft as an important component of this training with great success and is pleased to be continuing the programme”. Ian Burrett- Director Aerospace Training at QinetiQ.

Following the highly successful 2005-2007 ETPS Gripen training campaigns, for which all syllabus requirements were met, zero flights were lost due to un-serviceability and where all teaching goals in all areas were exceeded, the new 2008 deal will build on this success, further embedding Gripen as an integral part of the ETPS course.

In 2008, each ETPS course will contain two training campaigns (May and August/September) to be undertaken by seven (7) students with three (3) IP’s. The IP´s will undergo a three-week conversion exercise, ahead of the commencement of the training campaigns, to re-qualify them on Gripen. The test pilot students in 2008 will be drawn from the Royal Air Force, Switzerland, Singapore, the Netherlands and Pakistan. Each student will fly Gripen for eleven (11) hours with a complementary course of simulator flying. Flight operations will be undertaken at Saab’s facility in Linköping, while simulator training will be conducted at the Swedish Air Force F7 Wing, Såtenäs.

The ETPS programme is being carried out in close co-operation with Saab and the Swedish Air Force, and will further strengthen the excellent relations that already exist between these highly skilled operators.

Notes to editors:
Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defence to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customers´ changing needs.

Gripen is the first of the new generation, multi-role combat aircraft to enter service. Using the latest available technology it is capable of performing an extensive range of air-to-air and air-to-surface operational missions and employing the latest weapons. Gripen is designed to meet the demands of current and future threats, while at the same time meeting strict requirements for flight safety, reliability, training efficiency and low operating costs. Gripen is in service with the Swedish, Czech Republic and Hungarian Air Forces and has also been ordered by South Africa and Thailand. The UK Empire Test Pilots´ School (ETPS) is operating Gripen as its advanced fast jet training platform for test pilots worldwide.

The Empire Test Pilots’ School (ETPS) is established to provide The UK Ministry of Defence (MOD) with Service pilots for employment as test pilots for acceptance testing duties and for aerodynamics and systems research. ETPS is part of the Aircraft Test and Evaluation Centre (ATEC), which is a partnership between UK MOD and QinetiQ. The School also trains Flight Test Engineers (FTE) from the MOD and both pilots and FTEs from Commonwealth and other friendly nations. Graduate test pilots and FTEs may go on to contribute to Service equipment programs as combined test team members, procurement managers, operational requirements staff or in the increasingly crucial ’intelligent customer’ role in liaison Aerospace contractors.

QinetiQ is a leading international defence and security technology business that was formed in July 2001 from the UK Government's Defence Evaluation & Research Agency (DERA). QinetiQ has approximately 13,500 employees, who deliver technology-based services and exploit QinetiQ's strengths in technology research by selling systems solutions, products and licences to government and commercial customers in a spectrum of defence, security and related commercial markets. In February 2006, QinetiQ Group plc was listed on the London Stock Exchange (main market) and joined the FTSE250 in June 2006.

link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080215_ETPS.htm)

signatory
02-18-2008, 02:11 PM
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6600/23ed4fl1dotjpghttp://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1343/gripendemo2mo1dotjpg

Homepage (http://www.gripen.com/en/index.htm)

Gripen Demo info (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2007/070619_demo.htm)

(Whatever your past... = 5 nations has now selected the Gripen to replace their old French, Russian, Swedish or American jets... )



Czech Gripens take off to escort British plane

By ČTK / Published 18 February 2008

Prague, Feb 17 (CTK) - Two Gripen fighters took off from the Čáslav air base, central Bohemia, Sunday morning to escort a British Boeing 777 after air traffic controllers lost contact with it, Čáslav base spokeswoman Magdalena Dvořákova told CTK Sunday.

She said this was for the first time this year the Czech air force's elite fighters took off, apart from training flights.

The Boeing was heading from the UAE to Britain. Air traffic controllers lost contact with it when it was entering Czech air space from Slovakia, Dvorakova said.

The two Jas-39 Gripens took off from Caslav at 05:27 and escorted the Boeing to the German border.

"The pilots proceeded according to the guidelines. First, they identified the plane, visually contacted its pilot and then kept verbal contact with the crew on emergency waves," Dvorakova.

The Boeing later confirmed it had a defect on its transmitter.

Since the September 2001 terrorist attacks on Washington and New York, Czech fighter aicraft have been set to escort all planes whose connection with air traffic controllers is interrupted. The measure is part of the NATO air defence integrated system to which Czech acceded in 1999.

Most recently, the Gripens similarly escorted a flight of an Iranian airline company that was heading for Amsterdam last year. According to the NATO command, the fighters monitored the plane over threats of a bomb attack on it.

http://www.praguemonitor.com/en/275/czech_national_news/18759/

signatory
02-21-2008, 12:04 PM
India’s fighter shootout has the world’s eye

By David Donald and Chris Pocock
February 21, 2008
Aircraft

The technical and technology transfer bids for one of the biggest-ever fighter deals of recent times are due for delivery in 11 days time. Six prime contractors chase India’s Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) requirement for 126 aircraft with an option for 64 more. The contenders are the Boeing F/A-18, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, MiG-35 and Saab Gripen.

Continue reading (http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/indias-fighter-shootout-has-the-worlds-eye/?no_cache=1)


Swedish Home Owners Compensated

Last year during a air combat exercise a SwAF Gripen accidentally caused a sonic boom at low level. The shock-wave caused damages to two buildings and the armed forces has now paid out $3200 and $2500 as compensation.

Link (http://www.jonkoping.nu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3826&Itemid=77)

Accident Report JAS39C Crash April 19, 2007

The final report confirm what was first suspected within hours of the crash and later verified in tests using a dummy and actual flight data in the Dynamic Flight Simulator. The problem was identified and a solution is introduced to the 39C/D fleet.

The brand new jet 39.259 with just 95 hours on it made a unintentional ejection as the release handle had failed to return to a safe position after the inflated G-suit had pushed it upwards during high-G loads. The jet had been above 8 Gs three times during the flight with +8.6G just moments before the crash.

The Martin Baker handle for JAS 39C/D was also found to be of a different material type compared to earlier JAS 39C/D handles. This "issue 2" handle was different without Saabs knowledge. But at the same time it passed their specifications. The new material, of a softer type, had been introduced as Martin Baker changed its own sub contractor. The Issue 2 handle gave much higher friction against the G-suit compared to the original one.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9297/flygbanavq6dotjpg
Vidsel base. Shows flight path before crash.

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5733/krash1yi6dotjpg
crash site

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5730/krash2al6dotjpg
Fin view with the orange crash-safe memory visable

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4263/krash3sk2dotjpg
engine

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7524/krash4gh4dotjpg
wing

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2999/krashovankm2dotjpg
from above

Report [Pdf Swedish] (http://www.havkom.se/virtupload/news/rm2008_01.pdf)

Maktab
02-21-2008, 01:10 PM
I've heard from reliable sources that South Africa has cancelled the final two JAS-39Cs from its order of 28 aircraft. This means that the SAAF will get only 9 JAS-39Ds and 17 JAS-39Cs.

Does anybody have any more info on why the order was changed, and whether it resulted in any penalties for a contractual breach? Alternatively, were the final two Gripens swapped for other equipment from a Saab company?

Maktab
02-21-2008, 06:57 PM
Ok, the latest I have is that the final two aircraft were cancelled in order to free up additional funds to add more capability to the remaining 26 aircraft. No confirmation on exactly what that additional capability was, however.

Atle
02-22-2008, 03:34 AM
Ok, the latest I have is that the final two aircraft were cancelled in order to free up additional funds to add more capability to the remaining 26 aircraft. No confirmation on exactly what that additional capability was, however.

South Africa has shown interest in Erieye, but has had problems funding it, so it could be that. They have also not yet decided on BVR missile for Gripen, so it could be Meteor.

Maktab
02-22-2008, 11:38 AM
It's possible. There is a contractual requirement for an AEW/ELINT platform to be in position for the duration of the 2010 Football World Cup, and as you said the SAAF has expressed interest. But the purchase and operational cost is prohibitive, so all indications were that the Brazilian Air Force would wet lease one or more of their EMB-145 aircraft fitted with the Erieye radar for the duration of the event. I'd say an outright purchase is unlikely.

The Meteor is a possibility however. Interesting suggestion.

signatory
02-22-2008, 12:20 PM
If it was AEW&C I have a feeling that would have made official news anyway. Pretty much anything in the Saab portfolio would have made the news. This reduction is well.. maybe a year old or so. And METEOR is not likely as the purchase would go through MBDA. It's kind of hard to guess... maybe I'll email someone.

PatricVadec
02-22-2008, 03:17 PM
^^ hahaha nice..

Royal Thai Air Force pushes for second Gripen batch

Air Marshal Kanit Suwannate told Jane's on 14 February that the RTAF hoped the new government would approve the funds for second purchase within 18 months.

Jane's (http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/jdi/jdi080215_1_n.shtml)

I think RTAF will receive second Gripen batch or not. First you must keep and eye on October reshuffle in Thai Armed Force.If next RTAF's Commander in Chief were member of 10th class. Gripen project will allow continue.But if not everything concern with this project will be difficult and delay.

*10th class is the person that graduates from Armed Force Academies Preparatory School 10th class,Ex-PM Taksin graduates in this class.

Skyman
02-26-2008, 04:17 AM
I think RTAF will receive second Gripen batch or not. First you must keep and eye on October reshuffle in Thai Armed Force.If next RTAF's Commander in Chief were member of 10th class. Gripen project will allow continue.But if not everything concern with this project will be difficult and delay.

*10th class is the person that graduates from Armed Force Academies Preparatory School 10th class,Ex-PM Taksin graduates in this class.

:) You got a good point here. Seem like you understand Thai military well.

Hope everything is on the plan. Bacause I don't want 701 Sqn. of Wing7 to have 6 Gripen + 6 F-16C/D + 6 Su-30. rofl

Skyman
02-26-2008, 04:19 AM
Gripen in Singapore Air Show 2008. Only a small model.

http://img702.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/02/26/pattern2-49n5vt36b.jpeg

Skyman
02-26-2008, 06:46 AM
Gripen for Royal Thai Navy?

No. There are no news about this. p-)

But RTN have some requirement for its new "RTN maritime attack aircraft" to replace A-7E. The requirement is 8 aircrafts.

This come from the previous plan 2 years ago. All armed force just adjust its requirement in late 2007 so I don't know how many thing the requirement changed.

But it is worth to look at the old requirement because it still reflects their idea.

Since Thailand have a regulation in which each armed force should uses the similar equipment in similar roles to save the cost of training and logistic and enhance the commonality. The example is RTA buy UH-60L Black Hawk. RTN buy SH-60B Sea Hawk. and RTAF just buy S-92.

So Gripen might be in the line of interest when the project is launch. (if it is going to launch) The competitor surely be something like F/A-18E/F.

The interesting thing is today RTN uses some maintaince service from RTAF and Navy pilots are train in RTAF Flying School. :)

The requirement are as follow.


Annex 8 General Requirement of RTN maritime attack aircraft
8.1 Type : Maritime attack aircraft
8.2 Project : 8 aircrafts Project Period 2010 –2012
8.3 Required capability
8.3.1 Attack surface ships and maritime targets
8.3.2 Air defense for naval forces
8.3.3 Closed air support
8.4 General Characteristics and Specifications
8.4.1 Day and night operation
8.4.2 Operational range over 300 nm.
8.4.3 Over 40 nm.of air-to –surface missile range equipped
8.4.4 Anti ground and maritime target bomb equipped
8.4.5 air- to - air missile equipped Supply support for operation

signatory
02-26-2008, 07:12 AM
Is this A-7E squadron inactive today or what's the status.. ?

Don't you think it might actually be disbandoned or merged with RTAF Batch 1+2 Gripens and these 12 jets will be responsible for Thai air defense QRA + Maritime. Supported by Erieye. :) Or is there some demand that RTN need its own jets ?

Gripen fill those requirements anyway... 'maritime attack' is one main capability designed for the Gripen in mind. One of the first weapons integrated, radar modes etc added with the intent to fight at sea. Should be alright...

Skyman
02-26-2008, 09:18 AM
Is this A-7E squadron inactive today or what's the status.. ?



It's inactive now.



Don't you think it might actually be disbandoned or merged with RTAF Batch 1+2 Gripens and these 12 jets will be responsible for Thai air defense QRA + Maritime. Supported by Erieye. :) Or is there some demand that RTN need its own jets ?


We still don't know that RTN still keep this requirement after the adjustment in 2007 or not. But they actually want its own jet because this requirement came on the same time as RTAF requirement, which is now Gripen and the old requirement of RTN set the time frame for the project to begin between 2010 - 2012 but the RTAF one is conclude now. :)

Why RTN and RTAF need to have a redundancy capability? I don't know. rofl Maybe RTAF fighter will focus on aerial threat for the country and have a antiship capability as a plus. But RTN will uses their fighter mainly to provide air cover to the fleet, something like A-7E did in the past.

We may see if it came true in the future or not. woot

signatory
02-29-2008, 12:19 PM
Thanks Skyman as always.

Romania update - still talking

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080229/i/r1158316502dotjpg


Romanian Foreign Minister Adrian Cioroianu (R) speaks with his Swedish counterpart Carl Bildt during their official meeting in Bucharest February 29, 2008.*******/Mihai Barbu (ROMANIA)

Aviation freak and Foreign Minister Carl Bildt also had discussions with Defense Minister Teodor Melescanu about the JAS Gripen which Romania is interested in. (24-48 aircraft)

He said Sweden would invest in Romania as part of a deal and with the news this week about 1/3rd of Romania still lacking running water and only 40% of sanitation plants work as intended, more investments does sound like a good idea. Saab has on their own proposed a 1 billion euro industrial investment.

Edit: Bildt has now spoken about these discussions on his own blog. (http://carlbildt.wordpress.com/) Apparently he also talked about the cost effectiveness and how they can be upgraded in the future.

The President is otoh more interested in getting second hand F-16s without offsets to support the relationship with the USA. But maybe he can change his mind... the other eurocanards is also being considered.

During March 11-13 there will be a Romanian state visit to Sweden on the invitation by King Carl XVI Gustaf. President Traian Basescu and a trade delegation will talk to government ministers on several issues.

Link (http://www.adevarul.ro/articole/ministrul-de-externe-suedez-sustine-investitia-gripen-in-romania/343116)[romanian]

INDIAN M-MRCA, Bulgaria

Surprise. Surprise.

The date to submit the technical bid for the 126+ tender has been delayed by 8 weeks to April 28.

link (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=a2RfIGO.qECA&refer=india)

Last weekend Bulgaria got a visit from Gripen who brought over a JAS 39 simulator.

Czechs and Hungarian mechs

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8245/080225banazeman3f3517vs4dotjpg

From a Swedish article about the Armed Forces Technical School where they get to learn how to service the jet.

link (http://www.halmstad.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=40393)

signatory
02-29-2008, 05:18 PM
To continue with the Friday wrap-up...

Development

Lots of new development is going on at the moment. It got a extra boost last year as Sweden commited to keeping the Gripen system at least to 2040. Below is a photo of development aircraft 39-6 with a spin chute attached.

Said to be testing new avionics. From a short article in the Norwegian offisersbladet (http://bfo.no/index.php/offisersbladet/) magazine.

You can also see that 39-6 now got the 'new' position of the horizontal ILS antenna like the South African Gripens. Don't ask me why. JAS 39-6 is the first 39C model and a rebuild from the last 39A 39.207. 39-6 has been used for some important tests like the first aerial refueling trials and LGB integration.

GE F414 engine integration for the Gripen Demo aircraft is also progressing nicely but there's not much or even offical statement to talk about at this time. Same with the AESA work. I think April 23 will be a good day for news...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/600/test396yp9.thdotjpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=test396yp9dotjpg)http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4343/gripenspinchuteairsafewa3.thdotjpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenspinchuteairsafewa3dotjpg)
39-6 and a much older photo of 39-2 with the chute deployed

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5260/396oldmr2.thdotjpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=396oldmr2dotjpg)
older photo of 39-6 with the ILS antenna at the 'normal' fin location.

SA01 getting a paintjob

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8721/sa015276aw1.thdotjpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sa015276aw1dotjpg)

At Denel Aviation the SA01 recently got re-painted.

Skyman
03-03-2008, 12:46 AM
Old news back to the signing date. But worth to look also.

AIR FORCE / PURCHASE OF SWEDISH FIGHTER AIRCRAFT

Chalit hopes Samak govt won't review Gripen jets deal
WASSANA NANUAM



http://www.bangkokpost.com/140208_News/140208_new03dotjpg
Air force chief ACM Chalit Phukphasuk points at a model of the Swedish
Gripen jet fighter during a press conference at air force headquarters at Don Muang. The air force chief returned yesterday from Sweden, where he signed a deal to buy six Gripen JAS-39 C/D multi-purpose aircraft.

Air force chief ACM Chalit Phukphasuk hopes the Samak government will rise above politics and approve the second half of the Gripen jet fighter package with Sweden.

He also fervently hopes Prime Minister and Defence Minister Samak Sundaravej will not reconsider the 19-billion-baht order he signed this week for six of the multi-purpose jets.

ACM Chalit, who was a key member of the military junta that toppled the Thaksin government in 2006, was speaking yesterday on his arrival back from Sweden, where he signed a memorandum of understanding to buy six Gripen JAS-39 C/D aircraft.

The air force commander said Mr Samak and the new government should not review the deal.

''If politics changes the project, then our politics and our nation will be regarded as unreliable by the world community,'' he said.

''But I believe in the prime minister and defence minister because he is a senior figure in society and has been in politics for a long time.''

ACM Chalit said he had earlier explained the deal to Mr Samak. The prime minister had not baulked at the price and he believed Mr Samak had a good understanding of the deal.

The purchase of the first six Gripen aircraft was approved by the Surayud Chulanont cabinet on Jan 24, just before it completed its tenure.

The air force earlier submitted a 34-billion-baht proposal to buy 12 of the planes to replace its old Vietnam-era Northrop F5E fighters.

The cabinet agreed the air force should buy six jets first, using a five-year tied-over budget starting this year.

ACM Chalit said he was not certain the other six planes would be bought.

''The procurement of the other six will depend on my junior officers at the air force, and the new government as I am retiring this September,'' he said. Sweden is to deliver the first three planes in January 2011 and the other three in March that year.

The air force chief said the Gripen order marks a new era of military aircraft purchases. Thailand used to depend mostly on American products.

The air force earlier planned to upgrade its F16 C/D jets, but the US shelved assistance for upgrading the planes after the coup on Sept 19, 2006.

Under the Swedish deal, Gripen agreed to supply all accessories, including radar systems and air-to-ship, air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles that are comparable to the advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles of the US, ACM Chalit added.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/140208_News/14Feb2008_news08.php

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There are some issues here.

- "The air force earlier planned to upgrade its F16 C/D jets, but the US shelved assistance for upgrading the planes after the coup on Sept 19, 2006." ..... it's actually restart now. According to this news. Also Thai Gripen will be equipped with US weapon.



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ACM Ittipol Supawong, Chief of Staff of Royal Thai Air Force welcomed Major General jeffrey A. Remington, Director of Air, Space and Information Operations, Headquarters Pacific Air Forces, Hickam Air Force Base, Hawaii on 4 Feb 2008 to discuss about the Exercise Cope Tiger 08 and MLU program on F-16. They were also discussed about the procurement of weapon that would equipped with F-5, F-16, and Gripen.

- ''The procurement of the other six will depend on my junior officers at the air force, and the new government as I am retiring this September,'' ..... so it's mean that the second batch will be approved in late 2008 at the most early date. But I expect the approval in mid-2009 to meet the Thai Gripen production line so they can establish a 12-jets sqn. in the same time.

- There are still no news about the review of the program now.

signatory
03-03-2008, 01:29 PM
^ Not to forget the second Erieye which would be in a second gripen batch.


Gripen.com released some older news too on their English site that has been available elsewhere for a while...


http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/F1A6AC45-BEB6-42EF-9249-9939E86699EF/0/080303_jetset_157dotjpg

2008-03-03

‘The Jet Set – Gripen’

The Saab/Gripen team was delighted to host a visit by top Indian TV journalist Vishnu Som, from New Delhi Television (NDTV), who was making a new TV series for Indian TV called ‘The Jet Set’. Full article (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080303_jetset.htm)

View Video (mms://qstream-wm.qbrick.com/00200/05532_4932_wis_l.wmv)[streamed wmv]



http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/39B50A60-DD05-4A62-8611-8283EAE2F870/0/080303_hu_cz_training_157dotjpg

2008-03-03

Czech and Hungarian Air Force technicians training in Sweden

With Gripen new generation fighters now in operational service in the Czech Republic and Hungary, the training of Air Force ground crew by Sweden is a vital element of the successful relationship. Full Article (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080303_hu_cz_training.htm)

Bits n´ pieces:


http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1688/inve97300ayt2dotpng

3 Mar 08

Saab's (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/index.htm)majority owner Investor AB (http://www.investorab.com/en/default.htm) and the Wallenberg foundations has decided to sell its 80-year old holdings in truck maker Scania (http://www.scania.com/)which will create a fresh cash injection of close to 3 billion usd. To be used for future investments.


Boeing in Norway

3 Mar 08

Boeing made an attempt to pitch their Super Hornet fighter to Norway during a recent briefing but was of course told they'd shown up too late for the race. It's otoh still pleasing from a Gripen perspective to see a established US aircraft company remind the ministry and media on F-35 delays and price hikes. p-)

link (http://www.tu.no/samfunn/article141596.ece)

Dr Freud
03-06-2008, 01:17 AM
Gripen NG internal fuel~15000 lbs Mil Thrust @ 0,7 lb/lb.hr = ~0,657 = 40 min

Hi signatory, i just recently became very interested in Gripen NG (Super Gripen?)

I read F22 is stated to supercruise 390 nm radius, and got curious to compare it with Super Gripen, so i pulled out my own calc.exe!

mach 1 = 1224 km/h
1 nm = 1.85 km
mach 1=1224 km/h -mach 1.1=1346 km/h, but Gripen only run 66% of an hour, so 1346x0.66=888 km.
1 nm = 1.85 km, so 888/1.85=480 nm, /2 to get radius= 240 nm radius in supercruise.
With 2 external tanks, if it can supercruise then
1346/1.85=728 nm /2 = 364 nm radius. (a little more actually)

The Gripen can sustain M 1,1 using dry thrust, while carrying a droptank and AAM's.

In all fairness then: (240 nm + 364 nm)/2=1 droptank = 302 nm supercruise combat radius.

signatory
03-06-2008, 04:21 AM
Hey man. Of course all "real" numbers like that is classified and has to consider things like altitude and drag. If I remember Mach 1 at high altitude is ~295 m/s and low level ~335 m/s. And only GE can say if the engine can sustain supercruise for the entire fuel load... we don't know that about F-22 or any other jet either..

(Supercruise doesn't interest me a terrible amount to be honest, I see little tactical use for it.. with most jets anyway. One because it will always consume more fuel than cruise and for air to air engagements you really want as much speed as possible to reach a target on its way to your borders and also have high release speed for missiles. Just my current opinion though...)

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Ps. Today the Swedish gov will decide on Red Flag participation in July-August..

Edit: Attempts to find out the result of that meeting has so far failed.

Mat_fr
03-06-2008, 08:30 AM
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5260/396oldmr2.thdotjpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=396oldmr2dotjpg)
older photo of 39-6 with the ILS antenna at the 'normal' fin location.


Is that 500 Ib or 1000 Ib bombs ?

nice aircraft !

mat

signatory
03-06-2008, 10:15 AM
Is that 500 Ib or 1000 Ib bombs ?

nice aircraft !

mat

That would be 2x2000lb + 2x1000lb.

Cheers.

signatory
03-09-2008, 05:25 AM
Aviation Week and Space Technology


link (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw031008p1.xml&headline=South%20African%20Air%20Force%20To%20Receive%20First%20Gripen%20Soon)

South African Air Force To Receive First Gripen Soon

http://i31.*******.com/2ep2aftdotjpg

Mar 8, 2008
By Douglas Barrie

Ten years after a contentious selection process, the South African Air Force will formally receive the first of its 26 Saab Gripens next month. These aircraft will form the core of the service's defensive and offensive capability for the coming decades.

The fighter purchase constitutes the single largest procurement item within the 1998 Strategic Defense Package, and its significance extends beyond the purely military sphere. That's because the choices made in the package were driven not only by a desire to revamp the South African military's weapons inventory, but also by aspirations to reshape the country's defense-industrial base and to support the broader national economy.

[...]

A 2004 memorandum of understanding between Saab and Denel set out the timescale for the program to be carried out at South Africa's Gripen Flight Test Center. The facility is at AFB Overberg on the country's southeastern coast, conveniently colocated with the Denel-run Overberg Test Range (known as OTB).

The MOU "set a first-flight target date of Aug. 15, 2006," says Rydin. "We did it four days before on the 11th." The plan was to carry out 100-150 flights, concluding at the end of October 2007. They finished on Nov. 1, he adds.

The Gripen eventually flew 199 sorties totaling 178 hr. It averaged 17 flights per month, he says, "five more than we thought we could achieve." The proximity to the OTB was a clear benefit, with the weapons range providing the ability to rapidly conduct multiple sorties. On one occasion, four free-fall bomb-trial flights were carried out during a 5-hr. period.

Aircraft reliability was also high. "The aircraft had only three snags in 18 months," he notes.

[...]

While the air force has selected the Denel Dynamics A-Darter imaging-infrared guided missile as the short-range weapon for its Gripens, it may procure an interim weapon pending the completion of A-Darter development. The program is funded jointly by South Africa and Brazil. The integration costs of the missile were one of several changes to the overall program that resulted in the number of C-standard aircraft being reduced to 17 from 19 in 2006.

link for the whole article (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw031008p1.xml&headline=South%20African%20Air%20Force%20To%20Receive%20First%20Gripen%20Soon)

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Joint Investigation Report into the Strategic Defence Procurement Packages

Chapter 4: Selection of Contractors LIFT & ALFA (Gripen) (http://www.info.gov.za/otherdocs/2001/arms/chap4.pdf)

Index (http://www.info.gov.za/otherdocs/2001/investigationreport.htm)

That pdf from 2001 explains the selection process and why Gripen was selected as reported by "the Auditor-General, the Public Protector and the National Director of Public Prosecutions into the Strategic Defence Procurement Process".

Thanks Bolovo for finding that link.

Maktab
03-09-2008, 04:26 PM
Aviation Week and Space Technology
While the air force has selected the Denel Dynamics A-Darter imaging-infrared guided missile as the short-range weapon for its Gripens, it may procure an interim weapon pending the completion of A-Darter development. The program is funded jointly by South Africa and Brazil. The integration costs of the missile were one of several changes to the overall program that resulted in the number of C-standard aircraft being reduced to 17 from 19 in 2006.
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Ah, cool, thanks. That explains quite a bit.

Pars
03-12-2008, 12:51 PM
Man, that's some impressive pics from Stockholm. Thanks!

Caprice
03-13-2008, 09:15 PM
Guided Firing Success Paves Way for Meteor Missile Production

The firing was carried out from a Saab Gripen aircraft against a MQM-107B ‘Streaker’ high-subsonic subscale aerial target. The missile test-firing concludes a series of development firings to prove the overall performance of the missile and its various subsystems in terms of guidance, propulsion, data link and fuse.

The missile was rail-launched from the Gripen flying at 0.9 Mach and at an altitude of 18,000ft (5500m). Following the boost phase the missile successfully transitioned to its ramjet operation and accelerated to its operational speed. The seeker then acquired the target and tracked it through to intercept. During the flight the missile’s data link successfully demonstrated communication between the missile and the firing aircraft.
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Now with every parameter of the missile proven, definition of the pre-production standard of the missile can now be finalised.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?session=dae.34556539.1205452460.RbhH3n8AAAEAACqNSiYAAAAN&manuel_call_prod=92139&manuel_call_mod=release&modele=jdc_inter

Wonder if it will be on the Swedish buying list further on(maybe we will procure a small number to replace the AMRAAM's?)

signatory
03-14-2008, 07:00 AM
Thanks Caprice, it's fantastic news for the Meteor and Gripen programmes... the development seems to be going great now. Good thing they dumped the Eurofighter as its premier testbed p-)


[SIZE=4]Guided Firing Success Paves Way for Meteor Missile Production[/URL]

Original source (http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/FO/scripts/newsFO_complet.php?lang=EN&news_id=243)as a backup.


Wonder if it will be on the Swedish buying list further on(maybe we will procure a small number to replace the AMRAAM's?)

I'm guessing a small number... not to replace amraam just yet.. but to ensure long term system capability and to support exports of a european product. The missile is important but need reference customers on various aircraft. We would also get some € back if MBDA find export customers...

Heh and with production closer I see the usual leftists and pro-nato liberals now come out of the woods... "we don't need them".

signatory
03-16-2008, 07:32 PM
Red Flag

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3299/nellisgripenbh1dotjpg
JAS39A jets at a Red flag planning visit to Nellis AFB in 2003

I have now received government confirmation on a GO for Red Flag participation with Swedish Air force Gripens.

The endevour will begin week 28 and end week 31. That is basically July which means this time it's not Alaska but in Nellis (http://www.nellis.af.mil/).. home base of the original Red Flag.

Unfortunately the list of participating air forces is classified at this time.




(email)

Vid regeringssammanträdet den 6 mars 2008 togs be**** om att Sverige deltar i övningen Red Flag.
[..]
Om du skickar din adress så kommer en kopia på regeringsbe****et på posten.

Hälsningar
Johanna

Swedish Ministry of Defence
Department for International and Security Affairs
Adress: Jakobsgatan 9, SE-103 33 STOCKHOLM
Phone: +46 8 405 26 87
Cell: +46 70 498 87 72

(afaik this is a mp.net exclusive) :)

Link to SwAF Planned Exercises 2008 (http://www.f17.mil.se/attachments/ovning08.htm)

ozumn
03-16-2008, 07:42 PM
hehe nice work there Signatory.

Bolovo
03-16-2008, 07:54 PM
Unfortunately the list of participating air forces is classified at this time.
I know one: Brazil. Six or more F-5M (modernized).

http://sp0.fotologs.net/photo/32/60/97/fabbrasil/1185145032_fdotjpg

signatory
03-16-2008, 08:06 PM
Nice! That's what's so cool with RF imo.. you got to meet air forces you normally never fly with.. and that's a cool looking camo :)

Skyman
03-17-2008, 03:46 AM
SPOTLIGHT
Wings of change

Turning away from US F16s and opting for Swedish fighter jets marks a big change in air force thinking, writes Saritdet Marukatat and Wassana Nanuam.




http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7949/170308sl01pj4dotjpg
ACM Chalit gazes *****y at a model of the Gripen 39 multi-purpose fighter at air force headquarters.

Volvo cars on the streets, Ericsson mobile phones in people's hands and, soon, Gripen jets in the sky. Consumers are already familiar with many Swedish products, which are renowned for their durability and simplicity. And now the air force has a liking for Swedish fighter jets.


When the first of the new Gripen 39 C/D planes reach Thailand in 2011, it will be the first time in modern history that the air force's frontline combat aircraft have not been made in the United States. In the past the army and the air force have relied on tanks and planes made in the US.


The air force has opted for the multi-purpose Swedish aircraft, which was chosen over Russia's SU-30 jets because of several factors besides the price tag. One option the air force had before deciding on the Swedish fighters was to upgrade its F16 fleet.


The Gripen jets use shorter runways for landing and takeoff than the American planes, air force chief Chalit Phukphasuk said.


They can fly up to four hours after refuelling in the air, they give the air force real time operation with data links to central command and they fit in with the intentions of Thailand.


Special bonuses that also come with the 19-billion-baht deal for six of the multi-purpose Swedish planes include guaranteed spare parts, training, another aircraft equipped with an airborne early warning system, scholarships for Thai pilots and a transport plane.


Under the deal sealed between the Swedish firm and the Thai air force in Stockholm on Feb 9, four two-seater Gripen jets and two one-seater jets will be delivered in 2011. Another six will be purchased in the future.


However, the deal has met with criticism over the apparent rush for approval before the retirement of the military-installed government of then prime minister Surayud Chulanont. Gen Surayud's cabinet agreed in principle to the deal in October last year and officially approved it in January, a month before it stepped aside for the elected government led by the People Power party.


When Gen Surayud took the helm as government leader, the army also pushed for the purchase of armoured vehicles from Ukraine.


But ACM Chalit, who chaired the now-defunct coup-making body _ the Council for National Security _ after army chief Gen Sonthi Boonyaratkalin stepped down, dismissed the criticism. The arms purchase was a long-term plan as the country needed new planes to replace the old, Vietnam-era F5 fighters, he argued.


An independent security source said the Gripen deal underlined the need for Thailand to end the domination of military equipment from the US, which is Thailand's key security ally.


''The freeze in defence assistance after the coup was a factor. It made the top brass realise that it is time for diversification,'' said the source. The US ban was affecting the nation's security, its ability to defend itself.


''The temporary ban on defence aid definitely was a factor''.


The Gripen jets will be replacing the US-made F5 fighters which are gradually being phased out. The last F5s will be retired in the same year the Swedish planes arrive. Thailand's first squadron of 12 F16 jets were purchased from the US in 1988, followed by further orders of new and refurbished F16s. By 2039 they will all be retired, according to the air force leader.


The six Gripen planes will be stationed at Surat Thani air base where the F5s are being decommissioned. ''Gripens are more suitable for operations over the sea,'' said ACM Chalit.


The location where the new jets will be stationed is very important.


The fighters, which will be equipped with air-to-ship missiles, will be the main protector of the Gulf of Thailand and Andaman Sea. They will also be available for the southern provinces where the insurgency has disrupted security since 2004.


''Gripens will be a cover for the Thai navy,'' he said. ''They will not be here as part of an arms race. They will be here for defence purposes.''

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/17Mar2008_news21.php

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PS. The Thai Gripen model show IRIS-T. Hope we got that one too. :)

Herman the II
03-17-2008, 04:26 AM
I have now received government confirmation on a GO for Red Flag participation with Swedish Air force Gripens.

The endevour will begin week 28 and end week 31. That is basically July which means this time it's not Alaska but in Nellis (http://www.nellis.af.mil/).. home base of the original Red Flag.

Unfortunately the list of participating air forces is classified at this time.


(afaik this is a mp.net exclusive) :)

Excellent work there Signatory, thanks for the news and this amazing thread.woot

Caprice
03-17-2008, 10:02 AM
Excellent work there Signatory, thanks for the news and this amazing thread.woot

+1, keep it coming. :)

(And Signatory, regarding the Meteor missile, thinking about it... SAAF might be the first Gripen Meteor customer, AFAIK their R-Darter is cancelled and they reduced the number of aircraft from 28 to 26 wich will free funds for weapons buy and integration etc... time will tell. SWAF seems, for the moment at least, to be more ockupied with Gripen capability geared towards Nordic battlegroup and similar, ie supporting groundtroops with PGM. But what do I know hehe.)

C.

Nebelwerfer.
03-18-2008, 01:41 PM
Croatian journalists went to see SAAB's factory in Linkoping. Vid can be seen here:
http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/kakve-zrakoplove-morh-u-****-svedzani.html

Interesting footage of assembling Gripens. BTW: that pilot at the begining is of Croat origin, serving for 11 years already in Swedish Air Force.

Razvodnik
03-18-2008, 02:15 PM
OT:
it's like in the Soccer World Cup, we are everywhere. 50% of the Australian Team were ethnic Croats ;-)

BTT:
I seriously doubt that the Grippen will be the next plane of the HRZ. There are current two discussions in the public.
1. The US President will give Prime Minister Sanader on his visit to Croatia the gift of F16 Falcons. Croatia has only to pay for the Modernisation at Lockheed Martin. I heard optionally the modernisation will be provided by IAI, Isarael.
2. To increase the speed of the EU integration Croatia will maybe buy Eurofighter planes.

The Gripen and the Off Set program would be for sure the best buy. New Construction, easy to mainentance, fair price, extreme good Off Set but Smart decisions by politicians? I seriously doubt!

Chris O`Crooh
03-18-2008, 02:23 PM
OT:
2. To increase the speed of the EU integration Croatia will maybe buy Eurofighter planes.

Well, BAe is participant in Gripen International, so the one can be named "Eurofighter Compact" ;)

Cheers!

signatory
03-18-2008, 02:38 PM
Croatian journalists went to see SAAB's factory in Linkoping. Vid can be seen here:
http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/kakve-zrakoplove-morh-u-****-svedzani.html

Interesting footage of assembling Gripens. BTW: that pilot at the begining is of Croat origin, serving for 11 years already in Swedish Air Force.

Thanks Il-28 very interesting. He looks quite young too which is good.


BTW, this is not the right thread for discussing possible jets to whatever country.. there's many threads on the net for such endless talks..

Ps. BAE is no longer with GI.

Nebelwerfer.
03-18-2008, 03:08 PM
Thanks Il-28 very interesting. He looks quite young too which is good.

I need to correct myself, he's in the SAF for 12 years already. He's 35 years old. Apparently he is being called "The Wizard" by other pilots because of his piloting skills.

signatory
03-27-2008, 10:24 AM
http://i27.*******.com/2r4nb7sdotjpg

Couple of news items:

Croatia
Is getting flexible offers on Gripen. FMV has now submitted their lease-and-buy RFI consisting of 12 x JAS 39C/D jets in cooperation with Saab. But Saab is also offering their own package of new production jets.

Foreign Minister Carl Bildt which happens to own a couple of houses in Croatia is holding talks this day and evening with the Croatian Prime Minister and FM in Zagrab on various topics including EU enlargement.


STOCKHOLM, March 27 (*******) - Sweden's Defence Material Administration (FMV) said on Thursday it had answered a request for information from Croatia regarding a potential deal for 12 Saab-made (SAABb.ST: Quote, Profile, Research) Gripen fighter jets.

******* (http://www.*******.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSSAB01918120080327)

FMV press release (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=4082) (Swedish)

Norway
Heli-One at Sola has signed an agreement with Saab to perform service on Swedish Air Force NH-90 helicopters if Norway would select the Gripen system.

link (http://www.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/article616231.ece)

Norway
Saab will hold a conference on industrial cooperation with North-Norwegian business April 13 at Bodø.

link (http://www.an.no/nyheter/article3430974.ece)

Romania
Saab is interested in Avioane Craiova. The deadline for the final offer being 17 April.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/iar_99c/images/IAR-99_7dotjpg


Avioane Craiova SA was set up in 1972 and started to make aircraft in cooperation with former Yugoslavia.

At present, Avioane Craiova produces the IAR-99 Soim (http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/iar_99c/) advanced jet trainer, structural subassemblies for civil aircraft and fire-fighting equipment, informs the company's website. Avioane Craiova SA is the only producer of military aircraft in Romania.
link (http://www.doingbusiness.ro/business_news.php?newsid=6591)

Thailand
FMV is hiring (http://www.merajobb.se/jobb.asp?sa_id=329054915)among people a Project leader for Gripen Logistics to Thailand.

Razvodnik
03-27-2008, 10:51 AM
How time changes everything, in 1995 the same Carl Bildt has forced Milosevic to attack Croatia as a revenge for Operation Storm. President Tudjman has declared him as "Persona non grata" in Croatia and today he tries to sell Swedish planes to Croatia.

signatory
03-27-2008, 11:32 AM
Razvodnik, yes times changes everything but keep your own version of history out of this thread.

This is for Gripen News.

signatory
03-28-2008, 03:31 PM
http://i26.*******.com/64mpojdotjpg

The division chief Anders Segerby at SwAF 171 wrote some words on activities for the year. Here's some freely translated context of that article. (http://www.f17.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=40612)



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F17 First division Qvintus Red

The division is reponsible for elements of the rapid reaction unit 2008 (SE01) and the build up of half SE02 (2009). The division has JAS 39C/D since 2004 and is flying a relatively large amount of the latest hard and software edition 18:9 Block 8.

Tasks is split up in two main threads, Territorial Integrity and International Operations. Approximately 30 people work on first division, most of them pilots but also a Mission Support Element with intelligence commander, photo analysts, electronic warfare and administrative support.

The 39C aircrafts come equipped with ILS, IFF, LINK-16, SPK RECON Pod, NATO stores, Laser Designator Pod, aerial refueling, TIDLS datalink, adapted for Night vision goggles, English language cockpit and built for all-climates with focus on international operations .

Within the area of territorial integrity the division is right now responsible for quick reaction reconnaissance.

The JAS system has recently been integrated with a number of sensors for intelligence gathering such as wet film, electro-optical recording, FLIR (Infra Red video) and recording within the Electro-Magnetical spectrum using EWS 39. The division will also during 2008 be used for fighter readiness.

International Operations, the directives from HQ assumes a readiness for fighter unit SE02 towards a primary reconnaissance role (Intelligence gathering (ISR)) and secondary close air support role for ground forces in a operating area focused towards northern Afghanistan. SE01 has the same role order but now directed towards Africa (Darfur) based out of Chad.

Exercises; CAS training in day and night operations alone and together with ground forces, as well as escorting combat units, air dominance and traditional fighter jobs. We speak only in English and use Imperial Units as well as using NATO interoperable methodology.

We've already trained with army and marine units this year. We will interact with the F21 wing, Gripen Op Test and Eval division and perhaps a Norwegian division at Vidsel in May. This summer we're going to Red Flag (Nevada) in the USA with people from SE01, at fall we're going to England to practice electronic warfare and participate in a big exercise with SE02 at Fairford. The aim is to exercise deployment with Fighter, Attack, and Reconnaissance capability in a international environment.

More (http://www.f17.mil.se/article.php?id=10568) info on the general QR page in Swedish language.

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http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/FD/Nyhetsbilder/Svensk_ssek_besoek_260308_tekstbildedotgif

26.03.2008

Swedish Defense Department State secretary Håkan Jevrell visited Norway this Tuesday to discuss the fighter tender. A binding bid is to be submitted next month.

link (http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/fd/aktuelt/nyheter/2008/sveriges-statssekretar-pa-besok-til-norg.html?id=504429)

signatory
03-28-2008, 03:33 PM
Friday read..... a well known industry magazine tried out the JAS39B some years ago.



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GRIPEN PILOT REPORT

Gripen Key to Sweden's Air Defense Force Quick turnaround time, improved information warfare capability give Saab fighter an edge against larger foes.

DAVID M. NORTH

6 December 1999
Aviation Week & Space Technology
68
Vol. 151, No. 23
English
© 1999 McGraw-Hill, Inc.

Sweden is constructing one of the most effective air defense structures in the world using its air force's Saab Gripen multirole fighter, Saab/Ericsson Erieye airborne early warning platform, tactical information data link, and a modern command and control system.

While the Swedish air force has had its tactical information data link system in operation since the mid-1980s, it is the replacement of the Saab Viggen with the Gripen and the addition of the Ericsson-developed early-warning system on a Saab 340B that has addressed modern information warfare and made the service a fourth-generation operational force. While the cost of the air national defense system is a large part of Sweden's military budget, it does not bear the high total cost of similar systems either being evaluated or installed by other countries.

I was fortunate to be invited to visit the F7 Wing at Satenas in late October to fly the Gripen. The air base had been chosen to be the primary training base for Draken and Viggen pilots transitioning to the Gripen. There are two JAS 39 training squadrons here, and the first 16 Draken pilots from the F10 Wing are undergoing training to be the nucleus of the first operational Gripen squadron at Angelholm. However, both JAS 39 training squadrons are considered to be combat operational by the air force.

The training facility here is housed in a ``Y''-shaped building adjacent to the Gripen ramp and hangars. It is specifically designed for training operations, with two full-mission simulators, four multimission simulators and numerous study rooms in one wing. The squadron offices and flight operations are contained in another wing, while associated units and the ground mobile command and control units are in the remaining wing. The facility is one of the best of its kind I have seen in military operations.

Transitioning pilots will receive 5-6 months of training in the Gripen here and then return to their respective squadrons for a year of advanced tactical training. New pilots joining the F7 Wing after a year of primary flight training and some 240 flight hours will train for one year in F7, receiving 40 hr. in the simulator and 62 hr. in the Gripen prior to going to a squadron for more advanced tactical training. The first group of these new pilots is expected at Satenas late next year.

Prior to the flight, I had to be fitted for an exposure or ``****y suit'' as well as lower and jacket g-suits, all designed by the Swedish air force for its own operations. Because of the cold water temperatures in and around Sweden, an exposure suit is worn most months. The suit, once donned, is quite comfortable.

I was also able to sit in one of the four multimission trainers (MMT) for 30 min. to get acquainted with the Gripen cockpit. The cockpit briefing was given by Lt. Col. Bjorn Johansson, an air force test pilot attached to the Swedish Defense Material Administration (FMV). I was to fly with him the following day in the Gripen.

The Loral MMT is equipped with a Evans & Sutherland three-screen vision display, a head-up display (HUD) and the Gripen cockpit. The MMT can be linked with the dome simulators and other MMTs to show scenarios involving four aircraft. The cockpit is designed with three multifunction displays in a ``Y''or left, right and lower display arrangement, much like the Boeing F/A-18 series of multirole aircraft. An upfront controller is below the HUD, but a good adaptation of the hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) concept eliminates having to reach up and use the up-front controller.

The left multifunction display (MFD) is used for flight data, including the HUD and defensive aids and sensor images that might be shown on the HUD. The right MFD is used to show the image from the Ericsson PS-05/A radar, as well as other images from a Flir or reconnaissance pod. Neither of these two capabilities are under contract for the Gripen at this time. The lower MFD contains the tactical picture shown on the horizontal situation display format.

MMT time was very valuable, and I had difficulty differentiating all of the functions of the radar, target acquisition, speed control and different map scales controlled from the throttle and throttle guard as my time ran out. While Saab has investigated voice activation of many of these functions, it is not a high priority program for the Swedish air force. The use of a trigger guard and a single trigger on the control stick to launch air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons was much easier to absorb in my training.

I also had a problem distinguishing the symbols shown on the radar and tactical displays for targets, threats and wingmen. This was related to my recent lack of practice in evaluating tactical air-to-air situations as well as the monochromatic display.

Symbols for wingmen are shown with ``tails,'' the number of tails representing the wingman's number. Their altitude is shown behind the symbol, and threats are shown as designated by the pilot, the wingman or ground control. I also found it hard to get accustomed to the symbology that designates target priorities. My slowness in comprehending all that was happening in the tactical area could be overcome, I learned, with more simulator time.

To further help the pilot's situational awareness, Ericsson has developed larger, color 6.2 X 8.2-in. displays to replace the smaller monochromatic ones in the existing Gripens. The newer displays should be available in the third batch of Gripens to be delivered beginning in the 2001-02 time frame. The day after my Gripen flight, I flew in a dome simulator at Saab's Linkoping facility. The simulator had the new displays, and I found that my ability to comprehend what was occurring in the tactical displays was greatly increased.

Doing the walkaround while the fighter was in the hanger gave me the opportunity to observe just how small the single-seat Gripen really is. If you take a Lockheed F-16C and reduce its wingspan by some 3.5 ft., length by 3 ft. and height by almost 2 ft., you have the JAS 39A. The Gripen's empty gross weight of 14,600 lb. is some 4,000 lb. lighter than the F-16C.

Seeing the Gripen with its access panels open also underlined the compact design of its interior. Because of the dense interior, I was surprised when Saab test pilot Magnus Ljungberg explained that the inflight refueling probe for the export version of the aircraft fits over the right engine intake without changing the aircraft's fuselage. This is one of the modifications being developed with BAe Systems for the export version of the Gripen. The extended probe is located approximately 90 deg. to the pilot, and Ljungberg said that refueling was quite easy.

There was clear access to maintenance panels from the hangar floor. The Gripen was designed by Saab to be repaired easily and quickly, with a low life cycle cost.

The Swedish concept of using dispersed bases for flying operations puts a unique demand on maintenance and reliability. The Gripen is equipped with a maintenance fault localization and diagnostic system that helps speed repair work. The bases often consist of a road with a turnaround area and some shelter under trees. The crew required to handle a Gripen at one of these dispersed bases is one officer and seven conscripts. F7 pilots claim that the ground crew is able to refuel and rearm the Gripen in less than 10 min. for an air-to-air mission and less than 20 min. for an air-to-ground mission.

With more than 14,000 missions flown in the Gripen, the air force is finding that the new aircraft is requiring at least 40% less maintenance man-hours and 50% of the fuel usage of the Viggen.

The following morning, the day of the scheduled flight, there was a low overcast, fog and rain and the only suitable alternate was to the far north. So we we did as many pilots had done before us--sat and drank coffee, discussed previous flying operations and waited for the weather to get better. By noon, the conditions had improved--the visibility had increased, and there were suitable alternates, although the overcast was still well below 500 ft.

Johansson and I walked to JAS 39B No. 802 in front of the training facility, while a second flight crew manned another JAS 39B. The two-seat aircraft are owned by FMV (F7 is not scheduled to receive a two-seater until late next year).

The first impression on reaching the two aircraft being prepared to fly was the noise level of the auxiliary power units. Saab is replacing the Gripen's Microturbo units with quieter Sundstrand APUs during the next year.

I took the rear seat while Johansson occupied the front seat. The two-seat Gripen is 2.2 ft. longer than the single-seat version, and the internal gun has been removed. Fuel capacity is the same for both aircraft. Unlike the Dassault Rafale, there is no HUD in the back seat, although HUD and video information can be depicted on the flight data display. I found that once strapped into the Martin-Baker ejection seat, with leg and arm restraints attached, the cockpit was very comfortable. The functions I needed to operate on either side panel were easily accessible. The recline angle of the seat is less than that of a F-16, but more than that of the Viggen and the Boeing Hornet.

THE SWEDISH APPROACH to fuel capacity and fuel usage is quite simple--when the internal fuel capacity is full, the gauge registers as 100% in the cockpit. There is no fuel quantity in kilograms or pounds, nor is there a fuel flow meter. Internal fuel is approximately 5,000 lb., and when a full center drop tank is flown, it shows 140%. Fuel bingo also is shown in percentage remaining. While we were carrying a center drop tank, there was no fuel in the tank. Ramp weight of the JAS 39B was close to 24,000 lb.

JOHANSSON STARTED the single Volvo Aero RM12 turbofan engine, and following a short after start and system check, we taxied to the active runway. He deactivated some of the radar modes and the defensive electronic countermeasure systems which were deemed to be sensitive. He also demonstrated the agility of the aircraft on the ground by using the nosewheel steering to make several 360-deg. turns. This capability is especially necessary when operating from dispersed bases.

Johansson advanced power and acceleration was especially brisk in afterburner, with a takeoff roll of close to 1,700 ft. (518 meters) Once the landing gear was raised, the close-coupled canard-delta configured aircraft was clean with no other inputs needed. We entered the overcast at about 400 ft. and came out in the clear about 8,000 ft. The single-seat Gripen has the ability to climb to 33,000 ft. in less than 2 min.

Once leveled near 20,000 ft., Johansson gave me control of the aircraft. He then proceeded to demonstrate many of the features of the Gripen in the air-to-air role and the air-to-ground roles. One of the most impressive features of the aircraft is the ability to remain in a passive radar mode while targets are fed to the aircraft by data link from either a wingman or a ground controller. A ground controller in our area designated our wingman some 30 naut. mi. away as a target, and his altitude appeared behind the target symbol. While still passive, we choose the Raytheon Amraam for launch and fired the simulated missile for a hit.

The Gripen is currently capable of carrying four Amraams on the underwing stations, and a center fuselage station launcher is under study that would be capable of carrying two more Amraams. Full integration of the radar missile into air force operations was accomplished in April.

Early warning and battle management for the Swedish military has been further enhanced by the introduction of the Ericsson Erieye early-warning system mounted in a Saab 340B turboprop. The active phased array pulse Doppler radar offers an increased range of land-based radar out to 450 km. (243 naut. mi.), and a detection range for small fighter type aircraft of close to 350 km. (189 naut. mi). The Erieye uses S-band radar for a sharp and narrow main beam with low sidelobes. This configuration also is more resistant to jamming. The Swedish air force has four Erieye in operation, while two will be loaned to the Greek air force for several years prior to their receiving similar Ericsson Erieye systems mounted on Embraer 145s. The Swedish air force will eventually operate a total of six Erieye aircraft in two operational squadrons.

Johansson then identified a ground target that showed up on our multisensor display, that had been designated by our wingman and data-linked to us. Additional information from our wingman, included his fuel state, weapons available, targets selected and the view through his HUD, all appeared on the multisensor display. We selected a simulated RBS-15 antiship missile and launched it some 30 naut. mi. away from the ship in a harbor on Lake Vanern near Satenas.

THE PS-05/A RADAR was turned on and the antenna removed from its near horizontal park position. In the air-to-ground mode, the resolution mapping of the lake was quite good, but it had the capability to be better. The radar has ground/sea moving target indication and tracking, as well as air-to-ground ranging. In the air-to-air mode, the Gripen's radar has an all-altitude look-down capability and can track up to 10 targets. Its track-while-search feature in the automatic mode assures good situational awareness, and the mission computer predicts the greatest threat to the aircraft.

Ericsson is looking to the U.S. and France to help in the development of an active electronically scanning antenna for the Gripen. A contract for joint development is planned for next June with the intent of having a demonstration of the new radar in 3-4 years.

With the radar still in the air-to-air mode, we picked out our wingman/target at near our 10 o'clock position and switched to the heat-seeking missile mode. While we did not receive a tone, the wingman was well within the range of the Sidewinder-type missile. The range circle around the pipper showed maximum, no escape and minimum range of the missile's envelope, although I still could not see our wingman. Johansson attempted to point out our wingman passing across our nose and moving to the one o'clock position. A helmet-mounted sighting system is in development for the Gripen, and a prototype is being flown at Saab in its dome simulator.

Another virtue of the Gripen is its small size, a not-to-be-underestimated positive factor when it comes to within visual range combat. I had difficulty picking the wingman out over the overcast until he reached our two o'clock position low. I rolled in on the wingman, and switching to guns, saw the symbol on the gunsight indicating hits on the other Gripen. While Johansson had to coach me through the switching of radar displays and weapon selection, I realized Saab and the Swedish air force have achieved a low pilot workload for the combat scenario. Compared with other multirole aircraft I have flown recently, the situational awareness and workload in the Gripen appeared to have the edge for intuitive movements and simplicity.

A session in the planning and analysis room after the flight showed all of the parameters of our flight from a digital recorder. The tape verified our missile and gun hits, as well as indicated generic maximum and no-escape ranges. The tape records all button or switch activations as well as flight parameters, weapon delivery envelope and results, and ongoing tactical situation. Four aircraft can be flown together in the evaluation scenario.

I DID NOT MAKE a very good rendezvous with the wingman, missing our closing rate by a large factor, even though his speed was shown on my airspeed indicator. The airspeed is shown in km./hr. and the altitude in meters. While the conversion was my problem, not the Swedes, I had some difficulty in adjusting to the layout of the altimeter, where an even 1,000-ft., (or even-meter) altitude is not shown by a needle arm at the 12 o'clock position, as it is on a regular altimeter.

Flying formation on the wingman was quite simple. This is when I realized that the triple digital flight control system in the Gripen made flying easy. The position of the throttle and the stick mounted on a pedestal below the instrument panel were very comfortable to operate, making another point for good machine-man interface. The Gripen's stick is designed for movement, some 9 deg. forward, 13 deg. aft and 7 deg. left and right.

Stick movement became more of a factor later when I did a full-throw aileron roll at Mach 0.79. Roll rate was on the order of 240-deg./sec, Johansson said. The altitude was near 15,000 ft. at the time. An initial 6g pullup to a loop was done at 450 kt., and I came out at 10 deg. off heading. A 6.5g turning pull in military power showed the excellent turning capability of the Gripen. Sustained turn performance of the 9g aircraft is given at 20-deg./sec. As Johansson said, the delta wing Viggen seemed to push the air around in a turn, while the Gripen cuts through the air almost effortlessly. The aircraft also provides a very steady gun platform, which I learned as I flew some steep gun attacks against the top of clouds.

The clean lines of the Gripen were apparent as Johansson and I had to keep track of my power setting and speed so as not to break Mach 1.0. The Gripen will do Mach 1.05 at low level in military power. (*) Advertised maximum speeds for the Gripen are Mach 1.2 at low level and close to Mach 2 at high altitude. Maximum aerodynamic speed of the Gripen has been calculated to be 1,400 kph. or 755 kt.

(* Mil Power = No afterburner)

Johansson said that there have been no problems with the Volvo RM12 engine in the Gripen development or during its some 14,000 missions. The RM12 is a cooperative engine program with General Electric based on the F404 engine in the Boeing F/A-18 Hornet.

The Gripen has been taken to a deep stall, where power was moved continuously between flight idle and military power without any stall stagnation problems. The engine also has operated well at 160-deg. angle of attack and 90 deg. of slideslip, Johansson said.

Volvo redesigned the fan in the F404 engine to give a 10% increase in airflow, with a 6% increase in thrust while increasing the turbine temperature slightly for the RM12 design. The front frame of the engine also was modified to better withstand bird strikes. Volvo also is working on a new full-authority digital engine control (FADEC) and a redesigned afterburner flame holder for the RM12 engine. The 18,400 lb. of thrust in afterburner gives the aircraft excellent acceleration characteristics, and Saab says the Gripen will go from Mach 0.5 to Mach 1.1 in approximately 30 sec. at low altitude.

Similar to other aircraft of like design, such as the French Rafale, test pilots have found that the Gripen is spin-resistant. The aircraft has been put in spins during testing, but some of the control laws and the spin recovery mode in the flight control system had to be modified. The spin recovery mode in the Gripen first stops roll oscillation, then yaw, before pitching the nose of the aircraft down.

By this time, the fuel remaining in the Gripen was reading 40%, and Johansson indicated the steering cue on my HUD display that would get me back to Satenas. A descent was made in the clouds to 800 meters (2,624 ft.) at 500 kph. (270 kt.). The Swedish air force uses a tactical landing system, similar to that of the U.S. Navy, with a slight offset from the runway, Johansson said. At 600 meters (1,970 ft.) and 450 kph. (243 kt.), the autothrottle was engaged by depressing a button on the throttle. The symbology for the approach was easy to follow, although I found myself looking for a rate of descent indication. There is not one installed in the Gripen, because the pilots believed it was not needed.

The aircraft was very steady on the approach and aircraft response matched control input at the lower speeds. Once we broke out below the overcast at some 100 meters (328 ft.), Johansson took the aircraft and landed at near 130 kt. with a angle of attack near 13 deg. for the final approach.

All three landing gear have carbon brakes installed and an antiskid system. On landing, the leading edge of the canard goes down and the elevons go up and the fuselage mounted speedbrakes extend. Stopping distance was about 600 meters (1,970 ft.), although Johansson did not apply maximum braking.

WHILE NOT ABLE TO MAKE the landing in the Gripen, I did land on a road in the high-fidelity Gripen dome simulator at Saab, and found the landing characteristics exactly as I had observed at Satenas. The aircraft was stable on approach, and landing without flare at 130 kt., the Gripen was easily stopped within 600 meters. All in all, I had flown approximately one hour in the Gripen from blocks to blocks. This is a fairly standard flight with internal fuel and more than ample reserves, Johansson said.

There are a number of upgrades and new equipment planned for the Gripen. After flying the aircraft with its smaller monochromatic displays, the larger color Ericsson displays, as flown in the dome simulator, will make a big difference to improve the pilot's situational awareness. An OBOGS on-board oxygen generating system will replace the traditional oxygen system in later aircraft. A new inertial navigation system with GPS also is under development. An integrated infrared search and track system is being developed for the Gripen by Saab Dynamics, and it appears that an advanced electronically scanned array (AESA) radar will eventually replace the Ericsson PS-05A radar.

While I was not able to fly the Gripen for a low level flight, my impression is that it would behave quite well at 450 kt. at 200 ft. A digital terrain following feature, such as flown in the Rafale earlier this year, is under discussion for the Gripen, especially if required by an export customer.

Any multirole fighter/attack aircraft is a compromise these days, and the Gripen is no exception. When developing the Gripen, the Swedish air force, FMV and Saab opted for a small aircraft, with good performance and with emphasis on excellent warfare information capabilities. After flying the Gripen aircraft and simulator, and observing the Swedish air force operational philosophy and capabilities, I believe the Swedes hit the mark.

The Gripen is about half the weight of the Boeing Super Hornet I flew last year and the Dassault Rafale flown earlier this year (AW&ST Aug. 31, 1998, p. 50; July 5, p. 48). It also is considerably lighter than the Eurofighter. With this lighter weight comes a less expensive airframe, with the Gripen coming in at close to half the flyaway price of the Super Hornet, Rafale and Eurofighter. The lighter weight also means less payload capability. But, with the Gripen's current payload, the reliance on smart weapons and the quick-turnaround capability from dispersed bases, a high payload requirement is not as important.

While high performance was not the Swedes' highest priority in its compromise package, the balance between the aircraft's speed, acceleration, turning rate and overall maneuvering capability makes the Gripen an excellent multirole combat aircraft. While not a stealthy aircraft, or in the same league as the Lockheed Martin-Boeing F-22 Raptor, its small size and design does give it advantages against larger foes.

Where the Gripen has the current advantage over many of its competitors is its information warfare capability and pilot's situational awareness. The aircraft's secure tactical data link system is the key to the pilot's ability to understand and exploit the tactical combat situation. This system also allows one aircraft to be the radar emitter, while transmitting all of the necessary target data to four passive aircraft spread out for tactical advantage. That same tactical information can come from ground control or from the Swedish air force Erieye early-warning aircraft. The low workload coefficient built into the Gripen also allows the pilot improved situational awareness when it is most needed.

The downsizing of the Swedish air force has been one of the driving forces to not only develop an efficient multirole aircraft, but also one that is reliable and maintainable. The Gripen will eventually replace the Viggen flown in the separate fighter, attack and reconnaissance roles. In the late 1980s, the Swedish air force had 425 combat aircraft in some 26 squadrons. By 2007, the 204 Gripens on order will have been delivered, and there are plans to have them operational with eight squadrons, although the basing and potential further base closures is still under discussion in the Swedish Parliament.

FROM MY TIME WITH the Swedish air force, both this recent visit and flying the Viggen with the F13 Wing some time ago from the closed Norkkping base, it would appear that the service is successfully trading in quantity of aircraft for the quality of tactical air operations offered by the Gripen, Erieye and the Swedish military command and control system.

During dinner following the flight, Maj. Gen. Jan Jonsson, inspector general of the Swedish air force, said that he was hoping the service would expand its international scope and participate in NATO-type peace-keeping operations. I have to believe that any tactical operational theatre commander would welcome a squadron of Gripens on the ramp

Herman the II
03-28-2008, 03:43 PM
The JAS system has recently been integrated with a number of sensors for intelligence gathering such as wet film, electro-optical recording, FLIR (Infra Red video) and recording within the electro-magnetical spectrum using EWS 39. The division will also during 2008 be used for fighter readiness.


Impressive. If I'm not mistaken there aren't much planes that operate with "wet film" based recon systems, those are said to still be superior in comparison to the digital ones.
Would you have a picture of a Gripen with the said recon pod?:)

signatory
03-28-2008, 04:07 PM
Impressive. If I'm not mistaken there aren't much planes that operate with "wet film" based recon systems, those are said to still be superior in comparison to the digital ones.
Would you have a picture of a Gripen with the said recon pod?:)

Sure mate :) In PDF here (http://products.saabgroup.com/PDBWebNew/GetFile.aspx?PathType=ProductFiles&FileType=Files&Id=5650) general info..

The pod has both wet (Omera SKA 24) and digital (Recon Optical Inc CA 270) and will have the capability to provide real-time video to ground forces, at this time I believe they still develop this feature and in operative use "only" take the video from a mass storage memory once they have landed. The pod SPK 39 became operative in May 2007.

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The new generic Modular Reconnaissance Pod (MRP), which currently is developed for the Swedish JAS 39 Gripen, is an evolution of reconnaissance pods for fighter aircraft. It employs an advanced rotating window section with a 360 degree rotation, which is electronically synchronized with the sensors.

Rotating Window Section

The MRP employs a circular cross-section on the lower 180° of the pod and an advanced rotating section with a small Infra-Red (IR) translucent window. Compared to older pod designs where you either had an opening into free air or horizon-to-horizon windows, this MRP design takes advantage of a small IR translucent window. This design is cost beneficial and gives a better background for managing the pod internal environment.

The rotating window section is attached directly to the MRP strongback and can be positioned at various positions along the length of the pod mid-section, which allows it to accommodate a variety of different sensors and caters for variations in pod stuffing, weight and balance restraints. The section's 360° rotation is electronically synchronized to the sensor aiming - except for take-off and landing, where the window is rotated to a position in the strongback and, thus, providing protection of the glass during these phases of the flight.

http://www.terma.com/multimedia/isr_pod_3D_420dotjpg

http://www.terma.com/page.dsp?page=319

Herman the II
03-28-2008, 04:19 PM
Excellent, thanks..

Maskirovka
03-28-2008, 07:14 PM
Impressive. If I'm not mistaken there aren't much planes that operate with "wet film" based recon systems, those are said to still be superior in comparison to the digital ones.
Would you have a picture of a Gripen with the said recon pod?:)

IIRC one of the other reasons why choosing "wet-film" was because the digital ones are so easy to alter. For instance, if you claim you have photographed a countries WMDs and start a war over that, its important that the evidence can´t be faked so easy. No one wants a country to go to war on false premises.

Herman the II
03-29-2008, 05:41 AM
In addition they are said to be still superior in terms of resolution and picture quality in comparison to the digital system available on the market.
At least that was claimed by the German MoD during the discussion about the deployment of Recce Tornado's to Astan.

WKD
03-29-2008, 07:04 PM
The Gripen is one beautiful aircraft.

wild_wild_wes
03-30-2008, 06:12 AM
Yes, beautiful jet!

Does anyone know what the current unit cost is?

jontew
03-30-2008, 06:41 AM
I did just see a huge airliner being escorted by a Gripen when it took off from Saabs airport, made a circle over the city and the disappeared in the horizon, perhaps it was som VIP:s or could they have been testing the new NG version? They did fly very low which made it an awesome sight! :D

Wguy
03-30-2008, 06:55 AM
Yes, beautiful jet!

Does anyone know what the current unit cost is?


Less than 50 millon $

signatory
03-30-2008, 07:15 AM
I did just see a huge airliner being escorted by a Gripen when it took off from Saabs airport, made a circle over the city and the disappeared in the horizon, perhaps it was som VIP:s or could they have been testing the new NG version? They did fly very low which made it an awesome sight! :D

Cool... hm, KLM new direct flight to Amsterdam.. first flight today... with Fokker 70.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6383/7jwyttwdxd5mherpysk3155po0dotjpg

Photo: Amel Zukanovic

Link (http://www.corren.se/archive/2008/3/30/jni698b0pue6ns5.xml)

jontew
03-30-2008, 07:57 AM
Ah cool! Then the mystery is solved! :D

signatory
04-04-2008, 07:21 PM
No news this week so maybe just sit back and watch a movie...

http://www.youtube.com/v/O0dWvKLHj-k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0dWvKLHj-k

Copyright: www.saabgroup.com

signatory
04-06-2008, 11:49 PM
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/599/11001e876ecvv5dotjpg
Still from another new Saab movie called "Ambush" which I posted on a while back (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2930982&postcount=509)

Director Patric Ullaeus and the Revolver Film Company (http://www.revolver.se/)has started to work on yet another film for SAAB's fighter jet GRIPEN.

Let's hope it's even better than Controlling The Battlefield. (http://www.youtube.com/user/patricullaeus)

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AESA:s need fast processors

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Already back in 2001 Ericsson had developed a processing unit around 100-times faster than now operational systems in 2008.

With all the forum talk about AESA radars these days I pulled out this info on a late 1990s research project by Ericsson Microwave Systems (Now Saab) and Hamstad Uni on a new signal processing system to be used with the ever more demanding AESA sensors.

Taking in and processing the enourmous amount of data is a key challenge to deliver operational AESA radars with added capabilities. Ericsson who produced the first operational airborn AESA found that there were no processors on the market fast enough for the next generation systems.

And not even fast enough to be used as nodes in a scaled system so they developed a Application Specific Integrated Circuit (ASIC) on which processor arrays would be placed. The ASICS were then interconnected on a board that would go into a processing box to be used with a AESA sensor.

What they came up with in 2001 was a ASIC containing 25 GFLOPS of processing power, each board had then 8 ASICS and each box had 5 boards. Totalling over 1 TFLOPS of power.

Not to be viewed as what will be in Gripen or what's even in the research labs today. It's just a piece of information on research at the turn of the century. http://i14.*******.com/4l7a26cdotgif

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9702/radar2640cw6.thdotjpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radar2640cw6dotjpg)http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9374/radar3640ek8.thdotjpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radar3640ek8dotjpg)
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4654/radar4640qx7.thdotjpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radar4640qx7dotjpg)http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/6245/radar5640vq4.thdotjpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radar5640vq4dotjpg)http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6876/radar6640uy1.thdotjpg (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radar6640uy1dotjpg)


Summary
We have designed a signal processing system that meets the requirements, including tight size and power constraints, from future multichannel fighter radar systems.

Airborne Radar Division, Ericsson Microwave Systems AB, SE-431 84 Mölndal, Sweden.

Additional reading (http://www.ll.mit.edu/HPEC/agendas/proc02/abstracts/ahlander.pdf)




Ps. Dr. Freud, if you decide to rip off this post like some other ones here at least be a gentleman and give credits when you post on other forums. p-)

Morboute
04-07-2008, 12:03 AM
wait, what did i miss about the Dr Freud thing?

signatory
04-07-2008, 12:16 AM
wait, what did i miss about the Dr Freud thing?

Heh nah nothing major. He has just been basically copying posts from mp.net and posted them elsewhere without a credit. It's rude. But eh, no biggie.

Dr Freud
04-07-2008, 12:35 AM
lol, i will give you credit from now on, i just didnt know if i were allowed to link to another forum.
otoh its a credit in itself to you that i cite you, i wouldnt post it if i thought it was crap. i didnt pretend it was my own stuff, i said "someone"
next time i refer to signatory. :p

morboute i cited signatory's exellent info/calc. on range on JSF/JAS/EF page 13 in this thread.

Dr Freud
04-07-2008, 01:34 AM
Another thing signatory: i feel that gripens radar range is short compared to Su-27+ :why not rip out the radar receiver in front of gripen, cram in as powerful transmitter as possible, and spread out the receivers on pylons, wingtips, etc ?

I also wonder if more computing power can negate the advantages of VLO by better analyze the few photons that still will come right back to the plane ?

signatory
04-07-2008, 02:17 AM
lol, i will give you credit from now on, i just didnt know if i were allowed to link to another forum.
otoh its a credit in itself to you that i cite you, i wouldnt post it if i thought it was crap. i didnt pretend it was my own stuff, i said "someone"
next time i refer to signatory. :p

morboute i cited signatory's exellent info/calc. on range on JSF/JAS/EF page 13 in this thread.

Heh I am not angry it's overall good but I am protecting this board and this thread that's the point I want to make... and I also want to make you aware you're going against a couple of rules on that other forum (21 and B) which says you need to supply sources (not forum links) and refrain from posting copyrighted material (which our words are). Remember we're posting on commercial services... we don't make money but the owners need some $$ to operate the sites that we do use. (Traffic=money.) And I want more traffic to come here that's why I don't post over there.. p-)

It was these most recently that looked a bit "fishy"..

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7407/drfreud1blwi9.thdotjpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drfreud1blwi9dotjpg)http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2724/drfreud2blic4.thdotjpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drfreud2blic4dotjpg)

Your other questions on radar is not really something I can guess on.. but I know low signal processing power has been a obstacle not just for the AESA development but also the IRST sensoring as to get usable signals at long distances. In the future we're likely to see the AESA sensorfuse with a IRST to provide a scan and track that is very effective against 'stealthy' targets at a fairly decent distance.. we could probably learn together with Italians and French in this regard. There's also the electro-magnetical field to think about. We'll see what the brains come up with :)

signatory
04-08-2008, 09:19 AM
Gripen ISR

ISR, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5628/kapselnarasq0dotjpg
SPK Spanings Kapsel (Recon pod)

Another Swedish only article (http://www.f17.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=40701)on the growing Recon capabilities on Gripens in the SwAF.

There's too much to translate, it talks about the methods for recon, but the part about the Electro-Magnetical spectrum is worth the effort so here goes...


The electromagnetical spectrum. Wavelengths from millimeter to meter

In our world, regardless of peace or conflict, we're surrounded by electromagnetical radiation over a large span of wavelengths. Other than visible light and InfraRed there's also detectable radiation used for things like radio traffic. In the military world there's a large amount of emitters used for communication, detection, range finding or jamming.

In JAS 39 there is a system of antennas that already on the ground start to detect, positioning and identify these kinds of signals. In real-time the pilot can conduct a analysis of his surroundings without making himself visible.

By passive sensors the aircraft EWS (Electronic Warfare System, see pic below) begin to listen already when the jet is on the ground. Signals are registered and those signals previously identified as friend or foe is presented to the pilot. During the entire sortie the pilot can analyse and distribute information generated by the EWS. Other than this passive tracking the pilot has a very advanced active emitter at his disposal.

Freely translated from a SwAF F17 first division chief Anders Segerby article on mil.se


(These photos came with the article but it doesn't actually say if it's all from Gripens...)

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3599/irkamraan2dotjpg
infrared

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6616/bild2bombkrevaderpg7dotjpg
Photo of practice strikes in Sweden

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4093/lufttagenbildtx9dotjpg
Aerial photo

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3285/jasmedldplw5dotjpg
Gripen with LDP Laser Designator Pod

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3857/gripenewsuitiv5dotjpg

signatory
04-11-2008, 07:41 AM
Colombia

http://i31.*******.com/j9aa9tdotjpg

Today the Vice President of Colombia Mr. Francisco Santos Calderón will arrive for a five day visit here in Sweden. He was most recently here in November.

This visit was supposed to be announced on Sunday but One paper (http://www.dagensmedia.se/mallar/dagensmedia_mall.asp?version=159229) found out and and also claim there's ongoing discussions for a JAS Gripen sale to the country which is even supposed to be the reason for this visit. Several meetings with Saab and Ericsson is said to be planned.

I can't really judge this report... it's a fairly serious news site though.

On Tuesday he is due to meet with Deputy Prime Minister Maud Olofsson which is basically the only top minister left in the country that week. (The Prime Minister and his delegation will be in China and the Defence Minister among others will be in the USA) There's also a state visit from Luxemburg that day...

If Colombia has a imminent need for additional fighters Sweden can deliver JAS 39A and 39B jets almost instantly from a planned surplus inventory. Conversion training is the main delaying factor. The latest version 39C and 39D models would likely take roughly 2 years before delivery.

This thread about Colombia buying Israeli Kfir (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=128299&page=11) would probably be the best to post in for further speculation.

Norway

Information about a industrial networking meeting in North-Norway scheduled for Monday with Saab.

link (http://www.ab24.no/default.asp?page=5349&item=34049,1&lang=1)

The Czech Republic

Testing out their new amraams. More pics has been posted in the CzAF thread. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81001&page=24)

http://i31.*******.com/2hxumo1dotjpg
A quite live AIM-120-C5 AMRAAM.

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/6260/2pzwjf817e7993kk4.thdotjpg (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2pzwjf817e7993kk4dotjpg)

South Africa

http://i29.*******.com/vytykxdotjpg


The South African Air Force will today accept its first of 26 Saab Gripen C/D fighters into squadron service, less than one week after retiring its last unit of Denel Cheetah C/Ds.

link (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/04/07/222781/pictures-south-africas-first-saab-gripen-joins-air.html)


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SPOTLIGHT
Saab chief banks on the Gripen jet

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Ake Svensson, the chief executive of Saab. (Saab Group)

"I've never seen so much interest as right now," he said during a recent conversation by phone from Stockholm.

"We have a strong position with this fine aircraft."

link (http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/11/business/WBSPOT12.php)

Gripen User Group

http://i29.*******.com/2nizkhzdotjpg

A GUG meeting was held April 8-10 in the Czech Republic.

The main reason to constitute a Gripen User’s Group for current and future operators of the Gripen aircraft is to initiate a closer collaboration between the Gripen users concerning efficiency in both operational and technical aspects.

link (http://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=11006)

Croatia

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/0BC80615-68EC-4A74-B2DF-B1955AF575C2/6612/hr_flag_157dotjpg


Dalekovod, Podravka and Ericsson sign agreement with SAAB

11.4.2008 14:07:00 | Powered by PressCut

Dalekovod, Podravka and Ericsson Nikola Tesla have signed the memorandum of understanding with Swedish SAAB, as a part of Sweden’s offer for delivering 12 military aircrafts to Croatia. This is the first step towards signing the offset agreement, but it is not binding to any party.

At the press briefing on Thursday, representatives of SAAB, manufacturer of Gripen fighter planes, said they had established contacts with over 20 Croatian companies so far and that their offset offer could include over 100 companies. According to SAAB sales and marketing director Bob Kemp, Dalekovod could increase its export to Sweden, where there is a growing energy demand, while Podravka, as well as Croatia overall, has great capacities in food production.

Kemp announced that SAAB with its partners, including Volvo, Aero Corporation and General Electric, would offer offset with the goal of long term employment, investment, knowledge transfer and growth of export, and Croatian Government will be able to choose which of these it wants.
(Business.hr)

link (http://www.limun.hr/en/main.aspx?id=270849)

Skyman
04-11-2008, 11:17 PM
I like this idea about Gripen User Group. Each can shares the tactic and technic that each member developed. Like the Chinese said, Two heads are always better than one head.

But now we've got 5 heads. rofl rofl rofl

PS. I guess Thai delegate is not join. This round of meeting is too early for Thailand. Hope we can join in the next meeting.

Ghelp
04-13-2008, 01:53 PM
I hope Colombia can join the Gripen user group.We already have a defence agreement with Thailand so it would be the obvious choice.

Skyman
04-14-2008, 01:22 AM
I hope Colombia can join the Gripen user group.We already have a defence agreement with Thailand so it would be the obvious choice.

It's a good news. Colombia with Gripen. This is getting interest comparing Gripen with Su-30MKV. p-)

TeslaN
04-14-2008, 01:29 AM
Althought they're great planes, compared to the Sukhois's, Gripens are like flies in the sky waiting to be swatted.

Murphy
04-14-2008, 02:33 AM
Althought they're great planes, compared to the Sukhois's, Gripens are like flies in the sky waiting to be swatted.

Hmm, yes.. yes.. yes I can see where you are going with that..

Or, perhaps, maybe ... hmm I dunno... NOT?

Regardless, I'm sure your threadcrapping comment keeps you warm at night, now that all us Gripen boys know what's what.

This being the Gripen NEWS thread and all.

Good day to you, sir. :petting:

Maskirovka
04-14-2008, 06:57 AM
According to an article in a norwegian newspaper (http://e24.no/makro-og-politikk/article2363784.ece#VG) SAAB guarantees that the Gripen NG will cost half that of the JSF if Norway choses the SAAB product. JSF has not even manage to specified its cost to Norway.

Today other norwegian newspapers reports that JSF is delayed and will not manage to deliver its specifications to the norwegian deadline on april 28th. The Eurofighter has pulled out of the competition and if JSF can´t cut the deadline the Gripen NG will be the only contender in the norwegian fighterdeal.
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=505765

signatory
04-14-2008, 07:32 AM
Today other norwegian newspapers reports that JSF is delayed and will not manage to deliver its specifications to the norwegian deadline on april 28th. The Eurofighter has pulled out of the competition and if JSF can´t cut the deadline the Gripen NG will be the only contender in the norwegian fighterdeal.
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=505765


The media can be like that some times...

Neither Gripen or F-35 will be able to submit all specifications on April 28, but JSF will have problems submitting a fixed price due to the nature of its program. A bid will come on time though that I am sure of.

The news is not truthfully representing the comment by defence analyst John Berg.. all he said was the JSF team will have difficulties to submit all specifications.. that the media decided to interpret as 'JSF won't be able to submit a bid.'

Predictable: Watch the news later today or tomorrow with a LM statement "yes we will"..

signatory
04-14-2008, 07:44 AM
T-Darter

Denel conceptualises new missile

[ Johannesburg, 14 April 2008 ] - Denel Dynamics, the smart weapons division of the state arms maker, is conceptualising a new high-performance radar-guided missile that, if it comes to fruition, will provide SA's fleet of Gripen advanced light fighter aircraft its main punch.

link (http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/business/2008/0804141038.asp?O=FPTOP&S=Defence%20and%20Aerospace%20Technology&A=DFN)

signatory
04-14-2008, 09:52 AM
Rivals in Norway warjet tender say to meet deadline
Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:51am EDT

Spokesmen for the U.S. and Swedish fighter groups told ******* they would deliver their offers on the April 28 deadline set by Norway's ministry of defence.

******* (http://www.*******.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL1417845220080414)

... told ya so.

TR1
04-15-2008, 09:24 PM
signatory, good thread, one question.

do you have a Grippen love doll?

signatory
04-16-2008, 05:58 AM
Roll-Out And Webcast Next Wednesday

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4555/gripendemo262467um9dotjpg


In a spectacular event to be attended by hundreds of invited guests from around the world, and with the full support of our international Gripen customers, the Saab Gripen team and our international industrial partners will present the Gripen Demonstrator programme in a series of high profile events.

To mark this significant aviation milestone, and so that those of you who cannot attend the event don’t miss any of the action, we are delighted to announce that the main events will be broadcast in a special ‘live’ web cast to our websites.

The 'live' webcast begins at 11.00 (CET) and will be broadcast on www.gripen.com and www.saabgroup.com.


So, make it a date, 23 April 2008.

www.gripen.com (http://www.gripen.com/en/index.htm)

President and CEO Åke Svensson´s address to Saab´s Annual General Meeting



[...]
Gripen is indeed, as you all know, a very important part of Saab, both commercially and for our technological development. This is an industrial project that is of decisive importance for Sweden as a whole and one that we can all be very proud of.

For the Gripen system there were two important events during 2007 and at the start of this year.

In the first place, we received an order from Swedish Defence for the upgrading of 31 Gripen aircraft to the latest and most modern versions. And in connection with this also, an order for a demonstrator programme for Gripen - a large and important step to secure Gripen´s long-term development. This means, in brief, that a test aircraft is now being developed for use as a platform for development of new technology and enhanced performance.

This is a very important order which implies a continued development of cutting-edge technology and that also opens the door to future Gripen business opportunities.

As you may have read in the newspapers, we are in the process of working on this aircraft at present which has its premier display on 23rd April.

At the current time we are also working on submitting binding offers for Gripen to a number of countries: Switzerland, Norway and India. Last year we submitted an offer to Denmark, and work is in progress on several important campaigns including for countries in eastern Europe.

The interest in Gripen in the export market has never been as great as it is now. At the same time, we know that the process before the procurement decision is taken is a long one - so it is important to have staying power and patience.

In the second place, at the start of 2008, Thailand made an order for a complete defence system based on Gripen, which also includes an advanced airborne surveillance system with the Erieye radar on the Saab 340 aircraft and associated communication and command systems. The agreement was concluded at a national level between Thailand and Sweden, thereby demonstrating the importance of our co-operation with the Swedish government in creating business opportunities with advanced defence systems.

This contract clearly demonstrates that Saab has the capacity to supply more than part systems or products. The fact that we are able to tie together different technological solutions into entire system solutions is, to a degree, a unique capacity that we now possess and that will become even more important in future.

Gripen has thereby established itself in the three important market segments that we have identified: to replace Russian aircraft ,to replace French aircraft and now also to replace American aircraft.

There are, so far, five nations that have chosen Gripen as the foundation of their future air force. Sweden and Thailand I have already mentioned, Hungary and the Czech Republic have had deliveries of all their ordered aircraft while deliveries to South Africa start this year.
[...]


Link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=164109)

Norwegian Business Contacts

Saab scouting Norway for new business partners.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3049/bildeavistsdato20080416gr5dotjpg

link (http://www.t-a.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080416/NYHETER02/422008998)

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signatory, good thread, one question.

do you have a Grippen love doll?

Cheers TheRussian1. I'm not going to trade superior equipment that I may or may not have for your "advanced" S-400 love doll if that's what you're asking...



(Try Algeria)

jontew
04-16-2008, 06:25 AM
Nice news, I will be at my window watching the sky on the 23rd in case of some show. By the way signatory I just watched an awesome performance from my window today over Saab, any special flights today?

signatory
04-16-2008, 04:51 PM
Sneak peak from Johan Lehander, Managing Director, GI

http://i30.*******.com/vi2xyadotjpg

http://i31.*******.com/fz24r9dotjpg

:)


Nice news, I will be at my window watching the sky on the 23rd in case of some show. By the way signatory I just watched an awesome performance from my window today over Saab, any special flights today?

Lucky bastard rofl don't know tho...

hapazard
04-16-2008, 06:16 PM
- - - bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

TR1
04-19-2008, 02:47 AM
@signatory

perhaps you have not heard that my S-400 doll comes with...uhh...two different "canister" sizes...for missile big and small.

signatory
04-20-2008, 06:40 PM
http://i25.*******.com/2ldzx21dotjpg
Linköping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link%C3%B6ping)- Where Ideas Become Reality




Week 17

Tuesday 22 April

- Dinner at the air force museum for the JAS Gripen customers. Hosted by the Mayor of Linköping.

Wednesday 23 April

- SAAB release its Fiscal Quarter 1-08 report
- Roll-Out JAS Gripen DEMO
- AESA Radar partner announcement
- etc

- Twenty Gripen partners like General Electric and Martin Baker who invested their own money and expertise, the airforces, intl media, Swedish defence minister, Gripen DK Team, potentional customers like the Norwegian defense minister will be there.

Thursday 24 April

- Saab/Gripen Industrial partnership day, an opportunity to make new business connections including match making against different Saab divisions.

Week 18

Monday 28 April

- RBI tender to the Norwegian MOD, ceremony in Oslo.
- RFP tender to the Indian MOD

Tuesday 29 April

- Bilateral talks between the Defence Ministers of Switzerland and Sweden

So that's some of the news to look forward to...

signatory
04-23-2008, 03:32 AM
THALES Join GRIPEN Programme

Saab displays new flying test platform for Gripen
[2008-04-23 8:00]

Gripen Demo, a new flying development platform for current and future generations of Gripen, is unvealed today for the first time. One of the new features is a completely new radar, that Saab is developing in collaboration with the French company Thales.

[...]
The development of Gripen is done in collaboration with some of the world´s leading companies within the aircraft industry: General Electric, Volvo Aero, Rockwell Collins, Honeywell, APPH, Terma, Martin-Baker and Meggitt. The latest in the line is Thales, which means that two of the world´s leading radar developers are now collaborating to equip Gripen with the most advanced AESA radar technology (Active Electronically Scanned Array).


source (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=164618)

http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/99100EA2-47D5-4CF2-97EB-621B1CDBE657/6761/Gripen_demo_radar_360_212dotjpg


The collaboration is for the Gripen demonstrator

The collaboration surrounding the AESA radar started last autumn. Saab Microwave Systems is responsible for the radar system and its capability. Thales contributes with the antenna and Saab Aerosystems is responsible for the integration in the aircraft.

Additional info (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/saab_and_thales_develop_gripen_+radar.htm)



ROMANIA

Saab has with its partners outlined offsets to Romania for the supply of 48 jets.

100% offsets (80% legally required), about 3 Billion euros of which 25% is direct industrial investments with technology transfer and production of aircraft components being part of the proposal.

Volvo, General Electric, Honeywell, , Saab, Electrolux among others will be involved in the offsets.

source (http://stiri.kappa.ro/economie/suedezii-promit-investitii-de-peste-trei-miliarde-de-euro/stire_134012.html)


Norway

Gripen's Norwegian MD Hans Rosén says his jet will fly faster than the JSF... 14 minutes faster from Bodø to Svalbard.

source (http://www.hegnar.no/okonomi/politikk/article267306.ece)

Saab Interim Report

Increased sales but all the Gripen tenders is cutting in on profits...

STOCKHOLM (Thomson Financial) - Swedish aeronautical and defence group Saab AB posted a 15 percent fall in first quarter pretax profit to 324 million crowns hit by flat sales, and reduced profitability after an increase in marketing costs.

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=164598)

Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2008/04/23/afx4921842.html)

WEBCAST soon...

Just a reminder that the Roll-out of Gripen DEMO is today.

link (http://www.gripen.com/)

Preview in Norwegian news...

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8445/1208930438928633243dd7etv5dotjpg

link (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=519323)

Skyman
04-23-2008, 05:00 AM
One suggestion. They the Saab's programmer should set the bondary to 00:00:00 something and pop up some words the its start rather than let it counting like this.

Look like we are travelling back in time. rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

http://img802.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/04/23/clock-4a9s68mcn.jpeg

ozumn
04-23-2008, 05:59 AM
Showtime....in 1min

signatory
04-23-2008, 07:02 AM
Norwegian VIPs and Guest speakers Bill Sweetman and Tom Mason.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2092/l2x0089hj7.thdotjpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l2x0089hj7dotjpg)http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8112/l2x0072iv7.thdotjpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l2x0072iv7dotjpg)

Demo Seminar Presentation 1 - Bill Sweetman (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/DE6CF9F0-A91E-44AE-8F07-88E40BA43AEE/0/Gripen_RO_BillSweetman16by9.pdf)

Demo Seminar Presentation 2 - Tony Mason (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/3828387B-0A5D-4900-BC80-EBCFEE9740AD/0/Mason16by9.pdf)


http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3138/l2x0018mx2.thdotjpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l2x0018mx2dotjpg)http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4174/l2x0010so9.thdotjpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l2x0010so9dotjpg)

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/4D62E905-37AB-4E22-AC06-2D69282C6656/6751/080418360dotjpg


2008-04-23 | In an event attended by over 700 international guests which was broadcast ‘live’ around the world, the Gripen Demonstrator (Demo) aircraft was ‘rolled-out’ in a spectacular ceremony in front of the world’s media.

link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/Gripen_Demonstrator_The_Future_has_Arrived.htm)

signatory
04-23-2008, 07:50 AM
Official Gripen News Magazine

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/3F5F70A8-32C8-4C03-B934-BDFA1F763E0E/6765/Gripen_News_Demodotjpg

Gripen News Demo Special Edition
To mark this landmark event, the Saab Gripen team has produced a special issue of its popular magazine ‘Gripen News’. ‘Gripen News Special Edition-Gripen Demo’ (23 April 2008), features an exclusive insight into the Gripen Demo programme with a comprehensive review of the key technical and programme features, an exclusive interview with Gripen International MD Johan Lehander and the chance to get up close and personal with Gripen Demo Chief Test Pilot Mikael Seidl.

PDF (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/FCB6D4D6-8D7E-4824-B674-4B42B761A7F9/0/GripenNewsDemo_080414_final.pdf)

phlerp
04-23-2008, 08:03 AM
An interesting detail in that pdf is the cockpit configuration on the picture on page 6. Though that looks like a "photoshoped" picture it might be an indication of what will come.

Abbadon the Despoiler
04-23-2008, 08:07 AM
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/3F5F70A8-32C8-4C03-B934-BDFA1F763E0E/6765/Gripen_News_Demodotjpg
PDF (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/FCB6D4D6-8D7E-4824-B674-4B42B761A7F9/0/GripenNewsDemo_080414_final.pdf)

interesting read! thx!

jontew
04-23-2008, 08:12 AM
Awesome news! And interesting reading the new issue of gripen news! I am watching the sky for the show now!

signatory
04-23-2008, 08:20 AM
http://i29.*******.com/nvt844dotjpg

I'm going to upload Magnus Olssons system description from the Roll-out ceremony... I suppose the entire 2 hour show will be available on gripen.com later on but this will be 9 minutes of "forum friendly" material.. So it will be up in a while.. depending on how slow youtube encodes today.

I'm excited about the coop with Thales especially since Saab/EMW have had so much experience with Raytheon.. I'd love to hear why they didn't continue with Raytheon also in the demonstrator.


http://i30.*******.com/s2bmh1dotjpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1187/gripendemo3b25292aca9.thdotjpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripendemo3b25292aca9dotjpg)

phoebus
04-23-2008, 08:43 AM
Do you have the link for the webcast? What time is it going to be carried out?

signatory
04-23-2008, 08:47 AM
Do you have the link for the webcast? What time is it going to be carried out?

It happened already... They will probably put it here (http://saab.qbrick.com/index.aspx)later .

phoebus
04-23-2008, 08:52 AM
It happened already... They will probably put it here (http://saab.qbrick.com/index.aspx)later .

Cool, I checked out their videos. Thank you. :)

Caprice
04-23-2008, 09:34 AM
I'm excited about the coop with Thales especially since Saab/EMW have had so much experience with Raytheon.. I'd love to hear why they didn't continue with Raytheon also in the demonstrator.


My amateurish guess is that Raytheon (as a american company) was alot more difficult to deal with, as regarding to "exporting sensitive tings" as AESA technology. Wasn´t for example the two antennas that Ericsson microwave( later bougth by SAAB) leased to NORA tests, also plombed and no TOT was allowed? (On the other hand I think I have seen pictures of that antenna in some echoic test chamber so it might be all wrong.)

/C.

Oh almost forgot, thanks for all info!

signatory
04-23-2008, 09:36 AM
Nice to hear it can carry large 1700 litres external fuel tanks aswell as it lost 100 Kg in total weight (7000kg) from preliminary info to today.

And since this is such a hype these days.. Olsson does say "provides true supercruise capability" at 04:40m in the video.

-----

http://www.youtube.com/v/pffx_bD3aVo

Video: General description of new aircraft features. Cut from the roll-out ceremony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pffx_bD3aVo

http://i29.*******.com/296koxjdotjpg

http://i27.*******.com/2epooetdotjpg

Herman the II
04-23-2008, 11:07 AM
Excellent news and a beautiful bird,
especially like those two new "heavy duty" hardpoints (the more the better). Good to see that Thales and Saab are cooperating now, Europe ftw.
Any word on the date of the maiden-flight (also today)?

Pars
04-23-2008, 11:11 AM
Ah, man. It's beautiful! Love it :)

signatory
04-23-2008, 11:21 AM
Excellent news and a beautiful bird,
especially like those two new "heavy duty" hardpoints (the more the better). Good to see that Thales and Saab are cooperating now, Europe ftw.
Any word on the date of the maiden-flight (also today)?

not yet... "later in the year"... :)

Phew, yet more pics...

http://i25.*******.com/28higp4dotjpg

http://i27.*******.com/29ehnxcdotjpg

http://i25.*******.com/263bzpsdotjpg

http://i32.*******.com/34paonmdotjpg

Demo Seminar Presentation 1 - Bill Sweetman (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/DE6CF9F0-A91E-44AE-8F07-88E40BA43AEE/0/Gripen_RO_BillSweetman16by9.pdf)

Demo Seminar Presentation 2 - Tony Mason (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/3828387B-0A5D-4900-BC80-EBCFEE9740AD/0/Mason16by9.pdf)

JohanGrön
04-23-2008, 01:49 PM
Excellent news and a beautiful bird,
especially like those two new "heavy duty" hardpoints (the more the better). Good to see that Thales and Saab are cooperating now, Europe ftw.
Any word on the date of the maiden-flight (also today)?

First flight is to take place this summer AFAIK. No dedicated date set yet (which is understandably and wise).

JohanGrön
04-23-2008, 01:56 PM
My amateurish guess is that Raytheon (as a american company) was alot more difficult to deal with, as regarding to "exporting sensitive tings" as AESA technology. Wasn´t for example the two antennas that Ericsson microwave( later bougth by SAAB) leased to NORA tests, also plombed and no TOT was allowed? (On the other hand I think I have seen pictures of that antenna in some echoic test chamber so it might be all wrong.)

/C.

Oh almost forgot, thanks for all info!


Do anyone know if there is any truth to the rumor that Raytheon (or American legislation) is not allowing the newest software for their AESA radar to be available for the Gripen demonstrator and that was the reason why SAAB was going with Thales?

SAAB explicitly noted that Thales is only in it for the demonstrator which seems like they still keep a slot open for Raytheon.

phoebus
04-23-2008, 02:59 PM
Seems interesting, but it's highly unlikely our AF will select it for the 40+20 NMA competion. Even the F-16C/D Block 50/52+ Advanced can have both AESA and IRST at the moment. Any plans to fit the Gripen NG with an IRST then?

Swedish_Marine
04-23-2008, 03:43 PM
@phoebus: Sweden is co-developing the IRIS-T, and according to the Swedish Defence Material Administration website, the missile will be delivered, and the Gripen was supposed to be integrated with the IRIS-T in the second quarter of 2005. Gripen will also be fitted for the MBDA Meteor, and Gripen was the first aircraft to launch it during testing. Both IRIS-T and Meteor can be seen on the demonstrator aircraft in the pictures.

EStrike101
04-23-2008, 03:46 PM
Danm, Grpien is sexy.

Murphy
04-23-2008, 04:06 PM
Excellent coverage as usual sig. Thanx :)

About the AESA buzz:

It is speculated that U.S. is smelling competition in F-35 territory here. (Norway, Denmark..)

They know the timeframe for Gripen (M-)AESA is more stretched, and that SAAB needs short term options during those crucial years up until 2020 to remain competitive.

They might want to play hardball with ITAR regulations or other export limitations, until such time actual signed purchase contracts exist for the F-35. (Norway, Denmark..)

Obviously this will force SAAB in other directions with AESA development in the short term.

Should SAAB score customers anyway, will U.S. re-consider then? Would SAAB still be interested then? Broken trust? Lost prestige? Hard feelings?

Articles like this certainly get the rumour mill going:

"Swedish Fly
The Joint Strike fighter tries to fend off the competition. "
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/892donqz.asp?pg=1

I'm having fun with it. ;)

phoebus
04-23-2008, 04:10 PM
@phoebus: Sweden is co-developing the IRIS-T, and according to the Swedish Defence Material Administration website, the missile will be delivered, and the Gripen was supposed to be integrated with the IRIS-T in the second quarter of 2005. Gripen will also be fitted for the MBDA Meteor, and Gripen was the first aircraft to launch it during testing. Both IRIS-T and Meteor can be seen on the demonstrator aircraft in the pictures.

I was not refering to the IRIS-T missile (to which our own HAI contributes as well :) ). Actually the missile is undergoing OPEVAL with our own Air Force as we speak. But I thank you for the responce and it's good to see the Meteor on-board.

I was refering to an internally mounted, infra read, search and track (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infra-red_search_and_track) system like the PIRATE of EF2000 (instead of mounting external Litening or LANTIRN/Sniper pods). The latest varients of the F-16 can be fitted with one and that's the AN/AAS-42 IRST (http://www.missilesandfirecontrol.com/our_news/factsheets/Product_Card-IRST.pdf) Shadow IRST.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1921/newpicture1bz0dotjpg

The radar I'm guessing is the latest AN/APG-68v(9)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4002/newpicturedo8dotjpg

Caprice
04-23-2008, 04:15 PM
@phoebus: Sweden is co-developing the IRIS-T...

Maybe phoebus was asking/thinking about IRST?
Edit: a little late...

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9017/irotisko0.thdotjpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=irotisko0dotjpg)

IR-OTIS has mainly three operating modes:
1) IRST -mode where the system covers several different FOS (Field of search).
2) FLIR -mode (Forward looking IR) where the systems LOS (Line Of Sight) is directed from the aircraft.
3) Track -mode where the built-in-tracker controls the LOS.
It is also possible to switch from IRST -mode to track -mode automatically.

(From: SAAB IRST, the system and flight trials.) IRST is mentioned in some PR material for Gripen Demo. It´s in this thread somewhere.

C.

phoebus
04-23-2008, 04:18 PM
Maybe phoebus was asking/thinking about IRST?
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9017/irotisko0.thdotjpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=irotisko0dotjpg)
IRST is mentioned in some PR material for Gripen Demo. It´s in this thread somewhere.

C.

Edit: a little late...

That's it! Excellent materials and information, thank you my friend. I bet there's no comparisson between the Gripen NG IRST and Radar range (like LockMart did for the F-16) but I suspect that is confidential as of now. :)

Swedish_Marine
04-23-2008, 04:34 PM
@phoebus: Darn it. Fiddle-sticks. Easy to mis-read sometimes ;)

Caprice
04-23-2008, 04:43 PM
There were some flight tests done ten years ago, with 50-100km detection ranges (in certain cases even more). Sensor used was a 288*4 LWIR from Sofradir. I think they looked also at ways to determine range with the system:

The calculation method includes modelling of sensor performance, atmospheric transmission and infrared radiation from target and background...
...The deviation between calculated and measured range is about 10 % of the measured range. According to the figure, there is a tendency to overestimate the range in rear aspect. From this we realize that it is still possible to improve the range model.
(From: Airborne IRST target range – modelling and flight trials.)
I guess that sensors/processors etc. since then have improved but clouds and humidity etc. remains the same.

Obs. this is just what I read here and there. Don´t really know much about such complicated technical things. :roll:

C.

Edit: http://www.sofradir.com/products/pluton_lw.htm

signatory
04-24-2008, 02:53 AM
39-7

People with good eyes or good software has noticed the Gripen Demonstrator is identified as test aircraft 39-7.

http://i29.*******.com/k1fg5xdotjpg

Some of the Hires versions available on www.gripen.com

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6149/hiresdemo8grymvc5.thdotjpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hiresdemo8grymvc5dotjpg)http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/766/hiresdemo6lu9.thdotjpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hiresdemo6lu9dotjpg)http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7774/hiresdemo7gs6.thdotjpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hiresdemo7gs6dotjpg)

A great interest for Gripen Demo


During the ceremony the Gripen Demo was unveiled and the major new features picked out with powerful spotlights. The guests included Norway’s Defence Minister Anne-Grete Strøm-Erichsen, Sweden’s Defence Minister Sten Tolgfors, The Czech Deputy Minister of Defence František Padělek and the Secretary of State in Hungary’s Ministry of Defence, Jószef Bali. Representatives from Gripen’s customer countries as well as campaign countries India, Greece, Denmark and Norway were present.

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/world_premiere_for_gripen_demo.htm)

Six jet flypast to illustrate the Gripen customers

http://i28.*******.com/mbpsopdotjpg
Photo (c) Gunnar Åkerberg sff.n.se

http://i30.*******.com/2hfp0ttdotjpg
Photo (c) Katsuhiko TOKUNAGA gripen.com

Downloadable Video Footage

http://i29.*******.com/1fjo2fdotjpg

Some interviews and stuff.

The Saab CEO also highlights Supercruise in the interview making him the third Saab official that day to 'market' the capability. Looks like that's a conscious attack on the JSF marketing if you will...

Åke Svensson, Saab CEO, interview (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/EC0EEB32-AC9B-41A3-9970-A5D2A9460E45/0/AkeSvensson_Interview.mpeg) 3:05 (mpg)

Display of six jets on the ground (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/1CE92238-2EF1-4B2D-AEF1-FAEEBEFD8E1A/0/gripen_on_display.mpeg) (mpg)

More (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Demo/download.htm)

And yet more here. (http://saab.qbrick.com/#)

Webpoll

Norways largest newspaper/tabloid VG has an article about the roll-out and a webpoll asking people what the country should buy. At least it doesn't look like the 'commoners' hate the idea of getting Saabs with 2 of 3 supporting the Gripen.

http://i26.*******.com/2iqbg4mdotjpg

Link (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=519323)

phoebus
04-24-2008, 04:20 AM
Excellent update Signatory! Here are some images taken by hellenic journalists. They show the redesigned wing fairing that hosts the landing gear, plus the new design of the intakes.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9126/gripendemol4mm6dotjpg
© DefenceNetMedia - Alexios Matzoros

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5458/gripendemol5ff2dotjpg
© DefenceNetMedia - Alexios Matzoros

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7786/gripendemol3hj4dotjpg
© DefenceNetMedia - Alexios Matzoros

K22GLE
04-24-2008, 09:14 AM
Articles like this certainly get the rumour mill going:

"Swedish Fly
The Joint Strike fighter tries to fend off the competition. "
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/892donqz.asp?pg=1

I'm having fun with it. ;)

Interesting aspect. Thanks for the link.

tidls
04-24-2008, 10:54 AM
Yeah, good read, up to the point where it says, "the JSF is a whole generation of technology ahead of the Gripen; it has real stealth, superior agility, and highly advanced network-centric communications" It kinda fell flat after that.


Anyways, nice to see this new Gripen version. I wonder though, will the Gripen C/D get a similar avionics upgrade(minus the modified landing gear), will we see the C/D powered ty the F414? To early to say I guess?

Martel
04-24-2008, 01:37 PM
Almost one year ago ;)

I've read that SAAB consider buying AESA radar from France using technologies from the RBE2-AA currently developed which will be fitted on the Rafale in 2010-2012.
Some (swedish ?) engineers went to Cazaux (french Air Force test field) to see the flying testbed (a modified 2000-B).
Any news from your side ?

Caprice
04-24-2008, 04:46 PM
Wonder if it is GaN HEMT modules in this Thales antenna?

In the PDF it´s mentioned (page 50) that such (European)technology will be ready in 2009...
http://www.gaasmantech.org/Digests/2006/2006%20Digests/3D.pdf

I did a quick count (Crazy, yes. :)) of the modules on the antenna pictured in the Gripen Demo pdf (mockup or demo variant I wonder?) and counted about 830. I guess there must be further shrinkage before we see it in operation?

C.

Skyman
04-25-2008, 01:04 AM
Six jet flypast to illustrate the Gripen customers

http://i30.*******.com/2hfp0ttdotjpg
Photo (c) Katsuhiko TOKUNAGA gripen.com



I know Thai painting of Gripen is not release but I think they should put Thai Flag on the Gripen in the left so you can see it is refer to Thai Gripen.

No serious, just comment. p-)

signatory
04-25-2008, 01:43 AM
I know Thai painting of Gripen is not release but I think they sould put Thai Flag on the Gripen in the left so you can see its prefer to Thai Gripen.

No serious, just comment. p-)

Yeah but at least they had Thai food at the buffét :)

(Ah, I will make some to myself soon... maybe some Nua Pad Prik or whatever it's called these days http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8807/droolnx1dotgif )

Skyman
04-25-2008, 04:56 AM
Yeah but at least they had Thai food at the buffét :)

(Ah, I will make some to myself soon... maybe some Nua Pad Prik or whatever it's called these days http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8807/droolnx1dotgif )

Oh wow, nice to know that. rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

PS. Nua Pad Prik <<<< (Nua=Meat|Pad=Fry|Prik=Chili) I can not eat this thing because I can not eat spicy food. (Given the fact that the Thais love chili so much but I'm Thai that could not let it touch my tongue. :-*$)

Nordmannen
04-25-2008, 11:53 AM
39-7


Webpoll

Norways largest newspaper/tabloid VG has an article about the roll-out and a webpoll asking people what the country should buy. At least it doesn't look like the 'commoners' hate the idea of getting Saabs with 2 of 3 supporting the Gripen.

http://i26.*******.com/2iqbg4mdotjpg

Link (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=519323)
There have been other polls where the JSF got out on top.

signatory
04-25-2008, 12:54 PM
There have been other polls where the JSF got out on top.

Not surprising as it's totally unscientific and the attached articles play in alot. A unreleased real national poll made the "don't know" choice the winner... you don't even want to know what kind of support JSF got among the general public...not that any of this matters at all.

signatory
04-26-2008, 12:24 AM
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4669/flag2ib9dotjpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4671/jasdubbel494310943c2701oh7dotjpg
The Norwegian and Swedish Defence minister at the roll out event

Newspaper SvD (http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_1182025.svd)reports that the Swedish government on Thursday approved the binding fighter proposal to Norway and with that will also agree to purchase the same E/F version to the Swedish Air Force if Norway selects the jet.

The MOD is not confirming or denying the report. That and alot of other news will become offically available on Monday. SweMOD Tolgfors will now personally hand over the offer.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5200/norrbaggarbm6dotjpg
In the background, a artists impression of Gripen NG with NSM (http://www.kongsberg.com/eng/kda/products/missiles/default.asp?page=/ENG/KDA/Products/Missiles/NavalxStrikexMissile&id=32934)on the new hardpoints

Airshow Västerås 24-25 May

Västerås Aircraft Museum (http://www.flygmuseum.com/) released some airshow info which includes a Gripen display.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7728/affischwj2dotjpg
Photo: Gunnar Åkerberg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6535/flyg1lm5dotjpg

ting
04-26-2008, 07:27 AM
@signatory
If I remember correctly it is possible to upgrade an a version to a e/f version. Do you have any idea of the costs involved for the swedish air force? It seems like a good Idea since they can leave a lot of models in storage, and just upgrade those unused airframes. (Or are they planning to buy new planes?)

If I remember the NRK documentary correctly the lack of a partner nation with the same model is one of the big problems, this will hopefully improve the Gripens chanses significantly. woot

One interesting aspect of our purchasing plan, is that we decide what to buy almost ten years ahead of delivery. An article on NRK raises this issue(in norwegian):
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.5500891

An anonymous air force officer askes the question: "How can the defence department know what plane to choose when none of the alternatives are complete?"

IMHO the answer lies in the industrial potential, and being able to take part in the development.

It will be interesting to follow this as it plays out.

signatory
04-26-2008, 08:19 AM
@signatory
If I remember correctly it is possible to upgrade an a version to a e/f version. Do you have any idea of the costs involved for the swedish air force? It seems like a good Idea since they can leave a lot of models in storage, and just upgrade those unused airframes. (Or are they planning to buy new planes?)

Ah well I don't think A to E is really worth the effort it might even be more costly. Just build new and take some parts from the A if there's anything worth keeping but I doubt it. You know one major cost in a jet like this is the labor, it's essentially hand built. If you first need to ***** down then rebuild you're doing more hours than just assemble new parts...

The additional 39C's we ordered is often said to be upgraded 39A's or 'rebuilt' 39A's but they actually build new airframes and save a few parts from the old jets like the radar. Even our new Archer artillery is described as a rebuild of old howitzers... heh it's our politics man.. p-)

C to E is worth the effort though or something that is very close to a E version. I think for Norway the biggest concern is having a shared avionics architecture and associated components. Followed by the engine... btw I don't think Sweden will upgrade the entire fleet, maybe later, but if they made a promise I'm guessing it will be 48 jets for our combat divisions after ~2016. And the training divisions get to fly the 39C (today they fly 39A)


If I remember the NRK documentary correctly the lack of a partner nation with the same model is one of the big problems, this will hopefully improve the Gripens chanses significantly. woot

At least if will give Norway a better choice between Gripen and JSF... it also puts the ball on Norway's side if we should ever try to create a common air defence structure (hopefully with Denmark too) :)


An anonymous air force officer askes the question: "How can the defence department know what plane to choose when none of the alternatives are complete?"

Funny how that suddenly became an issue... sure... but I don't think the contract will be signed until 2010 so... it's not that unusual to see countries change their mind after a decision. Like how Greece cancelled their Eurofighter purchase.

ting
04-26-2008, 08:38 AM
Thanks for the info. Politics really is kind of funny. :lol:

Dr Freud
04-26-2008, 09:15 AM
I'm just curious signatory: are you pilot or work in defence industry ? why do u know these things ?

ps I would also like to know your view on what new radar will be installed in production Super Gripen E/F, and when it will be ready ? and perhaps you also have an idea how long range that radar might have ?

dobrodan
04-26-2008, 09:20 AM
I'm just curious signatory: are you pilot or work in defence industry ? why do u know these things ?

ps I would also like to know your view on what new radar will be installed in production Super Gripen E/F, and when it will be ready ? and perhaps you also have an idea how long range that radar might have ?

What´s on a man´s mind? ;o)

signatory
04-26-2008, 10:08 AM
I'm just curious signatory: are you pilot or work in defence industry ? why do u know these things ?

Dr. :)

Nah nothing really like that although I've worked for defense and industry on other stuff. Most of what I write here is just publically available news. Some people read novels... I read news. Arms industry and politics mainly... The difference compared to some might be that I read "more" and maybe get improved 'situational awareness' like old DW58 used to say.. there's also other people who know ****loads more than I do. They just don't bother with a thread on mp.net.


ps I would also like to know your view on what new radar will be installed in production Super Gripen E/F, and when it will be ready ? and perhaps you also have an idea how long range that radar might have ?

No idea.. maybe some news will come next week. E/F is a 2015 jet tho..

For the record here's an article 11 years ago on that topic... just for fun :)

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/1997/10/08/24839/ericsson-plans-flying-aesa-demonstrator.html

Murphy
04-26-2008, 11:19 AM
Nah nothing really like that although I've worked for defense and industry on other stuff. Most of what I write here is just publically available news. Some people read novels... I read news. Arms industry and politics mainly... The difference compared to some might be that I read "more" and maybe get improved 'situational awareness' like old DW58 used to say.. there's also other people who know ****loads more than I do. They just don't bother with a thread on mp.net.


Why bother with newsservices when there is signatory.newsbot right here on mp.net? Pre-compiled and ready to digest every hour on the hour. ;)

About the E/F buzz:

The efforts with Norway is just common sense IMO. Basically Sweden is doing all it can to accommodate Norway. Should the final choice still be JSF there's nothing Sweden hasn't tried or could have done differently or better. It's important to understand, at some point, that things are the way they are and you can't do more than you actually can do. Sometimes the debate gets a tad detatched.

The upgrade flexibility displayed by SAAB is pretty inspiring. Gripen is turning into quite the mix-n-match Jamboree. Under one stringently cost controlled roof. I can dig it.

Skyman
04-27-2008, 09:46 AM
You'll see some of the six jet flyby in this report from the event. (skyman, imagine those over thailand :) )


UL: ScandinavTV

:-*$ No I will not imagine about six jets on Thai sky because I want all 12 jets. rofl rofl rofl

Thank. p-)

signatory
04-27-2008, 10:57 AM
:-*$ No I will not imagine about six jets on Thai sky because I want all 12 jets. rofl rofl rofl

Thank. p-)

Hehehe ok make it happen http://i14.*******.com/4l7a26cdotgif
--------------

Saab Air Display Video From 23-04-2008

http://www.youtube.com/v/1LW-pRtbA94
(c) saabgroup.com

The Dane
04-27-2008, 11:06 AM
Regarding Denmark's new fighters it's interesting that Boeing have joined in bidding with their F-18 Super Hornet.
Interesting because Denmark is also concidering buying combat-helicopters for supporting the armys IntOps.

A mix of F-18 Super Hornet and Apache Longbows would be nice :)!

Skyman
04-27-2008, 11:33 AM
F/A-18E/F was also joint the Thai competition in the last minute. Just one year ahead of selection. I don't know why they the Boeing do not put their aircraft in early than this.

signatory
04-28-2008, 03:44 AM
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1635/indianflagwavingsmall85nz1dotpng

http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/9B627F09-DBE2-4527-BC95-6DF90DA132EE/6818/The_independent_choice_454dotJPG

Saab offers Gripen to the Indian Air Force

[2008-04-28 8:15]

In New Delhi today Saab handed-over its compliant response to the Indian Ministry of Defence Request for Proposal for 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) for the Indian Air Force.

Saab has offered the Indian Air Force the next generation Gripen, which includes increased combat range and endurance, a more powerful engine and super cruise capability, additional weapons carriage capability and increased payload.

The Saab offer is supported by a long term programme of industrial co-operation and offset and of technology transfer. Saab´s international industrial network will provide substantial and long-term joint venture growth for the Indian aerospace and defence sector.

Saab President and CEO Åke Svensson stated "The compliant proposal submitted today, demonstrates our commitment to winning the Indian government´s MMRCA tender" he said. "I am confident that Saab has submitted the complete solution to India´s requirements. We are offering cutting edge, next generation combat aircraft and excessive industrial co-operation, including unrivalled access to key technologies, enabling autonomy and increased national security for India."

Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defence to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customers´ changing needs.

For further information, please contact:
Owe Wagermark, Communications Director Gripen International (Gripen Demo)
Telephone: +46 (0)734-18 18 24
Toni Eriksson, Acting Press secretary, Saab AB
Telephone: +46 (0)734-18 00 18

www.saabgroup.com

The information is that which Saab AB is required to declare by the Securities Business Act and/or the Financial instruments Trading Act. The information was submitted for publication on 28rd April at 8.15 AM.
source (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=165168)


2008-04-28 | “I am confident that Saab has submitted the complete solution to India’s requirements. We are offering cutting edge, next generation combat aircraft and unbeatable industrial co-operation, including unrivalled access to key technologies, enabling autonomy and increased national security for India”, states Saab’s CEO Åke Svensson.

The response was handed over to India’s Ministry of Defence in New Delhi today. Saab is offering the Indian Air Force Gripen IN, tailor-made to meet all current and future requirements of the Indian Air Force.

Gripen IN, the next generation of Gripen
Gripen IN is based on the newly launched Gripen NG, the next generation of Gripen, an enhanced version of the well proven Net Centric Warfare Gripen multi-role fighter, which has unbeatable low acquisition, operation and support costs. Gripen IN provides freedom of choice in weapons and sensors and an unrivalled sustained sortie generation rate through high availability.

The complete Gripen IN solution consists of:


A next generation state-of-the-art and a tailored version of the Gripen NG next generation fighter, which includes increased combat range and endurance, additional weapons carriage capability and increased payload, the more powerful General Electric F414G engine and supercruise capability

The latest generation of weapons system and a fully integrated advanced sensors and weapon fusion, including an AESA radar and IRST sensor, as well as a wide range of weapons

A comprehensive Transfer of Technology (ToT) programme, ensuring access and transfer of technology to enable India to manage all aspects of the life cycle for the Gripen IN

A reliable, innovative, cost-effective and life-time logistics support solution
State-of-the-art training facilities that combine synthetic training aids and real fighters

Genuine commitment to deliver real industrial co-operation, creating indigenous capabilities in advanced defence technology areas. Saab has an unbeatable track record when it comes to fulfilling offset obligations.

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The Old Switcharoo

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Tony Ogilvy and Eddy de la Motte (c) Ny Teknik

Eddy de la Motte of Saab is replacing Tony Ogilvy of BAe systems as the Indian Campaign manager for Gripen International. Eddy de la Motte has worked on Gripen his 'entire' life first on FMV and then several years at Saab.

signatory
04-28-2008, 04:33 AM
Full coverage (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/Gripen_IN_next_generation_fighter_for_India_The_Independent_Choice.htm)

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signatory
04-28-2008, 05:04 AM
http://www.fmv.se/upload/Grafik_pa_sidan/logo_fmvdotgif

Gripen proposal to Norway delivered

On behalf of the Swedish Government, FMV (Swedish Defence Materiel Administration) today handed over Sweden’s proposal regarding Norway’s Future Combat Aircraft.

Monday April 28th, 2008 9.00

The 48 Gripen fighters that Sweden has offered to Norway meets all the requirements that Norway has specified in the request documentation for the Royal Norwegian Air Force Future Combat Aircraft.

The Gripen fighter for Norway is a true swing-role next generation combat fighter to meet Norway’s needs for the defence of its national territory, including surveillance of the high North, and participation in international, multi-national forces.

Gripen is fully NATO interoperable, can carry a wide range of internationally sourced weapons, includes increased combat range and endurance, additional weapons carriage capability and increased payload, a more powerful engine and super cruise capability.

The proposal also includes a joint logistic solution and other areas of multinational cooperation that will reduce the operational cost for both countries.

Besides the operational requirements the Swedish offer meets the Norwegian requirements regarding life cycle costs, and the Swedish offer includes very low acquisition, operation and support costs compared to alternative platforms.

–I am proud to say that the offer we have delivered today meets, or exceeds, all Norwegian operational and other requirements. This has been possible through a jointly effort between the Swedish Government, FMV and Swedish industry and we are confident that the Swedish offer is the complete solution to meet Norway’s future combat aircraft requirements, says Gunnar Holmgren, Director General of FMV.

An integral part of the Swedish offer to Norway is a commitment on the part of the Swedish Government to operate the same advanced version of the Gripen fighter aircraft as offered to Norway, in the event that Norway selects Gripen as its future combat aircraft. This offer creates a win-win situation for both countries, as they would not only share the development costs for the new fighter but would also share future enhancements over the future operational life of Gripen fighter aircraft for the next 30-40 years.

For further information please contact Ulf Lindström, Communications Manager at FMV, cell phone + 46 70 982 63 96, E-mail: ulf.lindstrom@fmv.se

FMV (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/news.aspx?id=4119)

More on www.gripen.com

flanker7
04-28-2008, 07:04 AM
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6361/39cdcaesar009obmulti001kv2.thdotjpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=39cdcaesar009obmulti001kv2dotjpg)

Wow! 4 500lb LGBs, 4 Derby's, 2 Python 5s, 2 EFTs and a Designation pod!

With the NG Gripen SAAB has adressed one of the major issues of previus Gripens, the less payload in comparisson with other fighters such as the F-16, IMO

Skyman
04-28-2008, 07:08 AM
Impressive design, I have to say.

jontew
04-28-2008, 07:10 AM
Hehe damn, thats some massive firepower right there..:D

signatory
04-28-2008, 07:14 AM
Yeah :)

I noticed a new pic of the Norwegian jet with another weapons kit...

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3861/norgegripaz0dotjpg

Saab in Extensive Norwegian Industrial Cooperation



[...]
"We are convinced that our offer provides a historical opportunity for strong and long lasting relations between Norway and Sweden in defence and security related areas as well as a broad range of industrial sectors. Up o date we have identified more than 200 partners in all of the Norwegian fylker. Today we can guarantee an industrial cooperation in excess of 100 percent of order value. Further more we can see a potential business value of at least an additional 100 percent within defence and non-defence sectors." says Saab's CEO Ake Svensson.

The cooperation agreement with Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace (KDA) spread over 10-15 years covers the areas of aviation, space, defence and civil security. Cooperation with KDA includes advanced composite production and development for both military and commercial aeronautics and development, integration and marketing of the JSM missile. Total business value more than 12 billions NOK.

Thales Norway will deliver important parts of Gripen, foremost within data link communication, SATCOM and Nato interoperable crypto solutions. Thales Norway and Saab are also planning extensive cooperations in other defence communications areas. Total business value more than 2 billions NOK.

Nammo will develop 27 mm APEX ammunitions for Gripen and Counter Rocket-Artillery-Mortars. Total business valuemore than 1 billion NOK.

Together with Simrad a new company is formed for development and world wide marketing of various products including high tech optronics. The agreement also includes the establishment of a ISTAR/UAV center of excellence. Total business value more than 6 billions NOK.

The agreement with Natech includes production of cabling, panels and racks for Gripen and electromechanical manufacturing for several other Saab military products in Narvik. TotAl-group will design and produce Gripen structural parts and complete assemblies. link (http://www.pr-inside.com/saab-in-extensive-norwegian-industrial-cooperation-r560169.htm)

Dr Freud
04-28-2008, 10:08 AM
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JohanGrön
04-28-2008, 10:08 AM
Nammo will develop 27 mm APEX ammunitions for Gripen and Counter Rocket-Artillery-Mortars. Total business valuemore than 1 billion NOK.

27 mm APEX ammo for Gripen akan
http://www.nammo.com/templates/Technologies.aspx?id=184

What about "Counter Rocket-Artillery-Mortars", do they mean CRAMM?

signatory
04-29-2008, 09:08 AM
Cross-border Air Force training

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9695/bodof21av6dotjpg

Norwegian and Swedish authorities have decided to open the state borders of the two countries for joint Air Force training.

The first cross-border flights took place yesterday. Three Gripens from wing F 21 flew in as a hostile force to Norwegian air space in a area protected by four F-16s from Bodø station. After the exercise the jets returned to their respective air bases.

With the relaxed regulations such exercises can now be conducted more effectively, often, and at much lower costs. All that is required is a joint agreement by the base commanders.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8918/fotof164ni5dotjpg
Photo of the Norwegian F-16s as shot by the SwAF (c) F 21

link (http://www.kuriren.nu/nyheter/artikel.aspx?ArticleId=3567719)

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7000-pages ?

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/3A0E415D-FD81-4CB2-9D3D-EC3004195FD7/6846/Newgripenpic_360dotjpg

Indian Air Force RFP...

Dr Freud
04-29-2008, 09:21 AM
Man this is really nice to hear, its good exercise, especially for norwegians interceptors, and i always take heart when these two countries close ties.

Murphy
04-29-2008, 12:01 PM
With exercises like this and Nordic Air Meet, what is the logic behind shutting down F21 Wing? Travel distance?

Or maybe they don't need F21 to conduct Gripen training operations there?

Presumably, the training area itself can't be relocated south? rofl

Comments?

Henke556
04-29-2008, 01:21 PM
Well, if F21 is closed it can be one of the most stupid decisions ever made in Sweden. Close to the Vidsel base, close to Finland and Norway for joint training, loads of empty airspace and wasteland to train in. And it is on F21 all the air to ground training and development is made together with the artillery regiment in Boden just 40km away. The politicians talks about concentrating the defence force to 3-4 regions in Sweden, F21, I19 and A9 are a great well working example of that, don't spoil it.

But I hope this kind of exercises will be a natural thing in the future, but with 3 countries instead of 2!

signatory
04-29-2008, 01:59 PM
Yeah well so far the military nor politicans has suggested F 21 is to close although one division might be at risk more than the base itself.

The military is allocating financial info and arguments to be used for a future proposal on how to get their economy in order. HQ really need to learn some fiscal policies.. how can the State budget their armed forces if the military keep underestimating the cost for their activities or continue to waste money (http://www2.mil.se/sv/Nyheter/Nyheter-milse/Inspektorsresa-utreds/?from=headlines) ? Sigh.. and everyone should understand how the budget game between military and politicans is played out...

Btw the SvD paper who first suggested F 21 is to close have published a number of sensational articles based on unnamed "sources" for a while now... most recently that we would buy new gripens for 25-30 billion.. created alot of negative press since we just ordered the 31 extra C's.... news they totally pulled out of their ****.. just like some of the other crap they write.

vent off

Caprice
04-29-2008, 04:53 PM
There seems to be a lot of poorly written artikels in media recently, first 25 billion for Gripen upgrade and now this(as if it is already decided). I doubt they will close F 21 as it so close! to Vidsel test range and a perfect base for international exercises.

As Signatory said, no decision yet, a economic plan(2009-2010)shall be handed over to Goverment in mid May, further deepend in June and final decision making basis on the 15 of September. Lets hope they can find a solution without to much negatives.

Back to thread: -I´m not sure if this has been mentioned before(The ferry range):

A new main landing gear housed in the wing root has freed up space for 40% more internal fuel, which will increase unrefuelled ferry range to 4,070km (2,200nm).http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/04/25/223299/saabs-demo-aircraft-to-highlight-gripen-ng-capabilities.html

Did a little map circling(I think I got the distance fairly right?):
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9660/gripenngferryrangeeuropas5dotjpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7193/gripenngferryrangeindiaaw8dotjpg

And just for fun: :)
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8664/gripenngferryrangeaustrck9dotjpg

C.

Henke556
04-29-2008, 05:39 PM
Is it 4070km with all the external fuel or only the internal?? I guess it is with full external load.

"Saab-led Gripen International will on 28 April submit responses to requests for proposals from India and Norway, and also lists Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Romania and Switzerland as potential customers."
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...abilities.html (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/04/25/223299/saabs-demo-aircraft-to-highlight-gripen-ng-capabilities.html)

The Canada thingie is a new one!

Caprice
04-29-2008, 06:44 PM
Yes, it must be with four (450 gal) tanks, I think.

Hadn´t heard about Canada either, apparently their CF-18 shall be replaced around 2017-2018.
http://www.journal.dnd.ca/engraph/Vol6/no1/PDF/08-Techno_e.asp.pdf

C.

JohanGrön
04-30-2008, 03:26 AM
Did a little map circling(I think I got the distance fairly right?):

Caprice are those maps mercator projected or just taken from an "ordinary" atlas? For mapping distances you should use mercator projection maps for the specific region.

One telltale sign that you are wrong is if you end up with a perfectly round circle for an estimated range somewhere not near the equator. It should more resemble an oval circle.

If mercator projection is not used you usually get more impressive ranges that are not true irl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection

hapazard
04-30-2008, 05:15 AM
Uh?

Obviously they're not mercator projections as the latitude-longitude lines do not form squares which is kind of the idea with a mercator map.

Now, I do not now if Caprice has done this but sure; you can get an accurate, perfectly circular range representation by using an globe map. All you have to do is to compensate for the earth curve radius which will make the radius on a flat globe map a little (or much depending on the distance) shorter.

But I won't bother with checking if Capprice has done that, maybe tomorrow...
It's Valborg after allp-)

JohanGrön
04-30-2008, 06:03 AM
Uh?

Obviously they're not mercator projections as the latitude-longitude lines do not form squares which is kind of the idea with a mercator map.

Now, I do not now if Caprice has done this but sure; you can get an accurate, perfectly circular range representation by using an globe map. All you have to do is to compensate for the earth curve radius which will make the radius on a flat globe map a little (or much depending on the distance) shorter.

But I won't bother with checking if Capprice has done that, maybe tomorrow...
It's Valborg after allp-)

Yes, you are right! It's all down to if the radius is converted correctly into the circle. Caprice probably did it correctly.

My bad... thx hapazard and GD for pointing this out!

signatory
04-30-2008, 09:58 AM
"Saab-led Gripen International will on 28 April submit responses to requests for proposals from India and Norway, and also lists Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Romania and Switzerland as potential customers."
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...abilities.html (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/04/25/223299/saabs-demo-aircraft-to-highlight-gripen-ng-capabilities.html)

The Canada thingie is a new one!

Yeah... in the end unlikely... they have probably even stronger ties both politically and industrial with the US than Norway... They don't seem too interested in holding a open tender anyway. Last week also saw this news that Saab is hoping to get some business in South Korea too.


Swedish firm hopes to sell jets here [South Korea]

April 25, 2008
LINKOPING, Sweden — A Swedish defense company plans to sell fighter jets here, challenging the U.S. dominance of the market, Ake Svensson, chairman of Saab AB, said yesterday.

link (http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2889083)

Saab has been involved in the SK Stealth fighter project with a Stealthy Gripen offer but that whole indigenous project is likely to be killed in favor of getting something ready made.

I'd say Switzerland who is also looking at getting a enhanced version is a strong candidate that get little media attention. But there's some worrying signs that the eurofighter countries is planning to offload jets on the market because they themselves no longer need as many Tranche 3 jets as planned, so that could be be a problem down there on the mainland...

Caprice
04-30-2008, 11:55 AM
Caprice are those maps mercator projected or just taken from an "ordinary" atlas? For mapping distances you should use mercator projection maps for the specific region.

One telltale sign that you are wrong is if you end up with a perfectly round circle for an estimated range somewhere not near the equator. It should more resemble an oval circle.

If mercator projection is not used you usually get more impressive ranges that are not true irl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection

Hi Johan Grön!

I used the air distance from Los Angeles - Honolulu (Did a map over US also) as radius and transfered that over to a Encarta map (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx). That is a near latitude distance so distances should be a little shorter in longitude (vertical) than they are on those ferry range maps, right (If Encarta is using a correct "squashed at the poles" globe and not a avaraged sphere?)?

C. (Not a cartographer obviously):)

signatory
04-30-2008, 04:15 PM
Woah. Speaking of the devil... (my previous post)

Boeing Not to Bid On Swiss F-5 Replacement

If they buy new jets, it looks like it's going to be a euro-canard :)

Boeing with the F/A-18E/F has informed the Swiss authorities after reading the list of requirements that they will not submit a bid.

Dassault with Rafale, Saab with Gripen NG and EADS with Eurofighter Typhoon were also invited to bid. Proposals should be submitted in June.

Link (http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/story/27948452) (German Language)

English (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/SWISS04308.xml&headline=Boeing%20Ditches%20Swiss%20Fighter%20Bid)

Herman the II
04-30-2008, 04:22 PM
If they buy new jets, it looks like it's going to be a euro-canard :)

Link (http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/story/27948452) (German Language)

Excellent news... woot