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Adux
08-08-2008, 01:52 AM
Field trial for multi-role aircraft by year-end (http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/field-trial-for-multi-role-aircraft-by-year-end_10081220.html)

Quote:

New Delhi, Aug 7 (IANS) The Indian Air Force (IAF) will conduct later this year field trials for the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) it intends purchasing. The scrutiny of the technical bids submitted by six vendors was on, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Fali H. Major said Thursday. “MMRCA technical evaluation is going on in full flow. The six vendors have submitted technical bids, each consisting of 8,000 to 9,000 pages. It is really a nightmare to scrutinize the bids,” Major told reporters at the United Services Institution (USI) here.

Adux
08-08-2008, 01:52 AM
For being a complete idiot ;)

signatory
08-08-2008, 02:00 AM
I could swear I've seen that article before somewhere... :)

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Snapped this unscientific webpoll from Norwegian TV2, it had been up a full day when I captured it. It's attached to an article talking about offsets as Lockheed submitted their updated proposal this Wednesday.

"Best jet for Norway?" Just 25% clicked for the F-35.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/711/polltv2aug7cd1.thdotjpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polltv2aug7cd1dotjpg)

Those results vary a lot though...

Adux
08-08-2008, 02:05 AM
Sorry about that Signatory..FIXED

JohanGrön
08-08-2008, 03:03 AM
"Best jet for Norway?" Just 25% clicked for the F-35.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/711/polltv2aug7cd1.thdotjpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polltv2aug7cd1dotjpg)

Those results vary a lot though...

I think we can see a trend here :)
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Adux
08-08-2008, 03:08 AM
A little bit of Scandinavian brotherhood going on ;)

sepheronx
08-08-2008, 03:11 AM
Such a beautiful aircraft. Canada should get these babies!

Loke2
08-08-2008, 03:16 AM
A little bit of Scandinavian brotherhood going on ;)
Well as you have noticed Swedes read Norwegian newspapers quite well... and what stops a Swede (or a hundred Swedes) from entering a Norwegian internet news page and click on Gripen? p-)

(of course I have no idea if this has happened or not, I merely point out the possibility...)

Start out by asking Signatory and JohanGrřn, if they only made snapshots or if they also did some clicking...:)

Really, such polls are completely useless.


L

ozumn
08-08-2008, 03:28 AM
click...hehehe

signatory
08-08-2008, 03:31 AM
Well as you have noticed Swedes read Norwegian newspapers quite well... and what stops a Swede (or a hundred Swedes) from entering a Norwegian internet news page and click on Gripen? p-)

(of course I have no idea if this has happened or not, I merely point out the possibility...)

Start out by asking Signatory and JohanGrřn, if they only made snapshots or if they also did some clicking...:)

Really, such polls are completely useless.

L

That's why I posed it one day after it was published. So too many Gripen fans wouldn't go there...

Individual polls are useless but it's possible to use several ones over a time to watch a trend. If there is one that is. So far I have yet to see one poll that puts the F-35 ahead of the Gripen this year. Including a telephone poll that I know of.

The more recent polls is different from 2-3 years ago when Gripen was 3rd favorite choice in the polls after EF and F-35. I guess Swedes didn't click on those old polls just the new ones eh? p-)

August and onwards:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4484/pollaugustdx9dotjpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8837/webpollvg2tf2dotjpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4662/pollaftenposten28aprilap5dotjpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6553/tv2pollad7dotjpg

JohanGrön
08-08-2008, 04:35 AM
Well as you have noticed Swedes read Norwegian newspapers quite well... and what stops a Swede (or a hundred Swedes) from entering a Norwegian internet news page and click on Gripen? p-)

(of course I have no idea if this has happened or not, I merely point out the possibility...)

Start out by asking Signatory and JohanGrřn, if they only made snapshots or if they also did some clicking...:)

Really, such polls are completely useless.


L

Only single-click for me Loke2 :)

JohanGrön
08-08-2008, 04:36 AM
click...hehehe

JohanBlĺ ? :hug:

Probere
08-08-2008, 10:39 AM
Diehl continues IRIS-T export success in South Africa



http://www.af.mil.za/NEWS/2008/031/IRIS-T%20freigestellt%20Feb.08_smalldotjpg (http://www.af.mil.za/NEWS/2008/031/IRIS-T%20freigestellt%20Feb.08dotjpg)



http://www.af.mil.za/IMAGES/enlargedotgifClick to enlarge
The IRIS-T short range air-to-air missile (SRAAM) of Diehl BGT Defence, a subsidiary of Diehl Defence, was selected by the South African Air Force to equip their Gripen fighter aircraft. The IRIS-T was chosen to arm the SAAF Gripen as interim solution until the local missile development – the A Darter – will be operational.


The South African Acquisition Organization, Armscor placed a contract for the procurement of IRIS-T in the second half of May 2008. In the course of 2009, the IRIS-T missile will be fully operational with the Gripens
http://www.af.mil.za/NEWS/2008/031/IRIS%20%20opt.%2002_smalldotjpg (http://www.af.mil.za/NEWS/2008/031/IRIS%20%20opt.%2002dotjpg)



http://www.af.mil.za/IMAGES/enlargedotgifClick to enlarge
of the South African Air Force. South Africa is the second export customer for the European missile. Austria selected the IRIS-T missile at the end of 2005 with full deliveries in 2007.

The IRIS-T missile, a state-of-the-art SRAAM with unrivalled performance capabilities, entered service with the Air Forces of Germany, Greece, Italy, Norway, Spain and Sweden at the end of 2005. The IRIS-T is a six nation program under German lead with Diehl BGT Defence acting as industrial prime contractor. The Swedish Air Force operates the IRIS-T missile on its Gripens as well.

Today there are around 4.000 missiles in the order books. Apart from the Gripen aircraft, the


http://www.af.mil.za/NEWS/2008/031/IRIS-T%20on%20Typhoon_smalldotjpg (http://www.af.mil.za/NEWS/2008/031/IRIS-T%20on%20Typhoondotjpg)



http://www.af.mil.za/IMAGES/enlargedotgifClick to enlarge
IRIS-T missile has been integrated into the Eurofighter (Typhoon), F-16, F-18 and Tornado.

The IRIS-T Short Range Air to Air missile will be on display at Africa Aerospace & Defence -
AAD 2008 – to be held in Cape Town from 17-21 September 2008.

Diehl BGT Defence is supported in South Africa by Aerospace Consulting and Services GmbH

http://www.af.mil.za/NEWS/2008/031.htm

/Probere

(sorry Signatory, saw now that you posted this news before)

JohanGrön
08-10-2008, 03:31 PM
First time I've seen Barracuda netting on a Gripen. It must be for the reduction of temperature and not reduction of ir signature.

http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/images/local/fotograferingredflagdotjpg

This photo is from one of the media days at Red Flag. Among others "Air Forces Monthly" and "Flug Revue" was interested in taking photos of Gripen.

The "Pentagon Channel" also aired (netted? p-)) an interview with deputy contingent head Erik Engström. Haven't been able to find the video yet :-(
http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/images/local/08_07_31_pentagonchaneldotjpg

Link to all above. (http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=41613) (Försvarsmaktens webbplats www.mil.se).

signatory
08-11-2008, 05:22 AM
heh barracuda... somewhere in Sweden a cv90 is missing its summer clothes p-)

Someone on gripen.com is back from vacation...


http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080811_Switzerland_puts_Gripen_to_the_test.htm

Switzerland puts Gripen to the test
As part of the Swiss process for the acquisition of new fighter aircraft to replace its fleet of F-5E/F Tiger aircraft, Gripen C/D fighters are currently undergoing an intense air and ground evaluation in Switzerland.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/4AEEDA1A-B5DB-41C4-BF5B-AE8C06E0DA29/7578/080811_Swiss_evaluation_360dotjpg
Gripen D aircraft being evaluated in Switzerland as a possible replacement for the Swiss Air Force F-5E/F Tiger. The aircraft seen on this picture is equipped with AMRAAM and IRIS-T missiles and a RecceLite pod.
Photo: Peter Liander/GIB

2008-08-11 | This evaluation process is an integral part of the Swiss Request for Proposal, issued in January 2008, for which Saab submitted its formal response earlier this Summer.

The evaluation of Gripen in Switzerland is being organized and led by armasuisse, the Swiss procurement agency responsible for managing the new fighter aircraft acquisition process. The tests, which are being carried out by armasuisse in cooperation with Saab, the Swiss and Swedish Air Forces, began in late July and will continue until mid-August.

Two Gripen D (two seat) aircraft, together with air and ground crews, are based at the Emmen air base, situated close to the city of Lucerne, where the evaluation process is taking place. The Gripens are being flown daily by test pilots from armasuisse and Saab as well as pilots from the Swiss and Swedish Air Forces. The majority of these flights are flown with a Swiss pilot in the front seat, supported by a Swede in the back seat.

All flights undertaken during the test and evaluation phase are flown according to a plan specified by armasuisse, with specific tasks for every flight, in order to give the Swiss evaluation team all the necessary information about the extensive operational multi-role capabilities of Gripen, including air defence, air policing and reconnaissance.

In parallel with the flight evaluations, there are also very intense ground evaluation activities being undertaken. While one of the Gripens is in the air, the second aircraft is used for evaluating the handling of the aircraft on the ground, including preparation for flight, re-armament, maintenance and logistics routines.

Manne K A Koerfer, Campaign Director Switzerland at Gripen International, says that this evaluation is one of the most comprehensive examinations ever conducted by a potential Gripen customer.

“The Swiss are a very knowledgable and demanding customer and this very extensive flight and ground evaluation will really put us to the test. Consequently, I am convinced that this is an excellent opportunity for us to demonstrate to the Swiss authorities the real and proven qualities of the Gripen fighter” says Manne K A Koerfer.

Herman the II
08-11-2008, 05:40 AM
The "Pentagon Channel" also aired (netted? p-)) an interview with deputy contingent head Erik Engström. Haven't been able to find the video yet :-(



You can find the "Pentagon Channel" as a free Podcast in the I-Tunes Store, however I wasn't able to find the RedFlag/Gripen Epidose yet.

JohanGrön
08-11-2008, 06:02 AM
You can find the "Pentagon Channel" as a free Podcast in the I-Tunes Store, however I wasn't able to find the RedFlag/Gripen Epidose yet.

Didn't know that Pentagon was so keen on pilates :)

Fit for Duty: Pilates episodes take viewers through 30-minute workouts led by servicemembers with expertise in fitness training. As the name implies, the Pilates episodes involve using the Pilates Method to build strength, flexibility and agility.
Podcast (http://www.pentagonchannel.mil/podcast_subscribe.aspx?file=PC_FitforDutyPilates.xml&type=Video: Fit for Duty - Pilates&id=271268916)


There should also be an interview from Red Flag Alaska 2006 with Tango Red. Haven't been able to find that one either ...

signatory
08-12-2008, 08:42 AM
"Gripen Measures Up"

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/5056/imagevaulthandler7aba36jv0dotjpg

-- freely translated context from mil.se --


On Friday the 8th of August the Swedish Gripen contingent retured home after a period that included two weeks of training in the world's most complex air warfare exercise - Red Flag. The journey began July 10th and included 7 JAS 39 Gripen and a total of 93 men and women.

- All missions has been implemented at a very high threat level with hostile surface and air units interacting. In addition we have had the opportunity to exercise together with new countries and aircraft types that we had never come in contact with before such as the American bomber B-52 Stratofortress, command and air surveillance AWACS and EA-6B Prowler, says contingent commander Lars Helmrich.

During the two exercise weeks the support of ground units with Close Air Support and Air Interdiction against pre-planned targets were carried out. During the second week two of the pilots took part in a desert survivial training task after a simulated ejection over enemy territory. In all, the Swedish unit conducted 65 sorties and dropped six bombs, two of them live. The automatic cannons fired approximately 900 rounds and to fool heat seeking missiles a 1000 flares were spent.

- The most significant result is that we have shown that we measue up in this context and in the toughest exercise around. We have also received confirmation that we have a very good aircraft in terms of survivability and mission execution, even during very high threat levels. We also know we have very skilled personnel through-out all functions. With this we confirm the air force is ready to participate on international missions with the JAS Gripen.

The next step is to continue developing the Gripen units with aerial refueling, night vision capabilities and further interoperability training with the NATO command functions.

Article (http://www2.mil.se/sv/Nyheter/Nyheter-milse/Internationella-flygovningen-Red-Flag-genomford/)

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Additional Red Flag info:

Gunnar Ĺkerberg a writer for the Swedish Aviation Historical Society (http://www.sff.n.se/)was there and wrote a small report on their site. Some additional info to the above mil.se article :

He writes that 3 flights was cancelled of the 'over 70 flights' which considering the extreme heat and tight schedule is a pretty fine number. He lists performed mission types other than CAS and AI as being Dynamic Targeting (time critical) and Non-Traditional Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance, NTISR with the LITENING POD used to search over the combat zone.

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CzAF Gripen @ Switzerland:

'The hills are alive... with the sound of RM12'...

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7384/2754225174759a05b8d7oadxo0dotjpg
(c) babara.ch

SwAF Gripen @ Switzerland

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/3263/emmenfm2dotjpg
(c) Wolki

signatory
08-13-2008, 12:38 PM
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Original Photos: Peter Liander/GIB

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Couple of videos from SF TV talking (in German) about the tests and tender.

http://www.sf.tv/videoplayer/embed/f2ca5115-e017-43cc-8e37-0b5780fd7c1d&live=false

http://www.sf.tv/videoplayer/embed/834152e9-d095-4af8-a29c-8366fcc5d4c7&live=false

Adux
08-13-2008, 02:39 PM
You might find this interesting, It is regarding the LCA, Will it affect the Gripen Selection? Considering that IAF is now serious about LCA, and has an Air Chief Vice Marshal with a post Director of LCA (Induction)

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20080829251704400.htm

Loke2
08-13-2008, 04:15 PM
Gripen 03 and 04 arrived in South Africa today:


http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/702/gripen-03-and-04-arrive-in-cape-town

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signatory
08-13-2008, 04:20 PM
Adux, thanks for the read. Can't really speculate at this stage...

Loke2, Good news!

Here's older pics of SA02 in SA. Don't think they were posted here...

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9052/sa02arrivehb5.thdotjpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sa02arrivehb5dotjpg)http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/213/sa02saafee2.thdotjpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sa02saafee2dotjpg)

JohanGrön
08-14-2008, 08:14 AM
An article (http://www.forbes.com/*******/feeds/*******/2008/08/11/2008-08-11T115942Z_01_LB53054_RTRIDST_0_ROMANIA-JETS-INTERVIEW.html) about the Romanian fighter jet acquisition :



BUCHAREST, Aug 11 (*******) - The Romanian government plans to approve the acquisition of 48 fighter jets worth at least 4 billion euros ($6 billion) by November, Defence Minister Teodor Melescanu told ******* in an interview on Monday.
...
"We have a green light from almost all the concerning institutions to buy them, and only need one more approval from the finance ministry which still has some questions about the costs," Melescanu said.
"I definitely expect the government's decision by November. Then we will start talks with the sellers."

Melescanu said five jets meet Romania's defence needs: F-16 of Lockheed Martin Corp (nyse: LMT (http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=LMT) - news (http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=LMT)- people (http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=LMT)), F-18 of Boeing (nyse: BA (http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=BA) - news (http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=BA)- people (http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=BA)) Co, Rafale of France's Dassault, Gripen of SAAB and Eurofighter of EADS.

He said the government will either invite companies to take part in a tender or start direct negotiations with one of them.

Melescanu said the initial estimation of the costs is about 4 billion euros, but depending on the maturity of the loans, the timing of the decision and the financing conditions, costs may rise by up to 50 percent.

"It will be a multi-year financing, extra-budgetary, through loans from banks and other institutions," Melescanu said. "The limit is set to 2.38 percent of the gross domestic product for every year of the financing."

Melescanu said the jets could be new, second-hand, or a mix of those. They will be delivered in the 2010-2012 period, when the fleet of 80 MiG-21s will be gradually scrapped.


link (http://www.forbes.com/*******/feeds/*******/2008/08/11/2008-08-11T115942Z_01_LB53054_RTRIDST_0_ROMANIA-JETS-INTERVIEW.html)

They will also buy high-altitude rockets, four corvettes and four ships able to detect mines and several armed transporters for land troops.

Herman the II
08-14-2008, 06:28 PM
Today one of the Gripens (829) doing the evaluation in Switzerland suffered a punctured tire due to an overheating brake whilst landing at
Meiringen.
Dangerous situation but nothing serious happened, all three tires got replaced and the Gripen is fit again.

signatory
08-14-2008, 07:01 PM
Today one of the Gripens (829) doing the evaluation in Switzerland suffered a punctured tire due to an overheating brake whilst landing at
Meiringen.
Dangerous situation but nothing serious happened, all three tires got replaced and the Gripen is fit again.

Just part of the tests p-) Hmm... that reminds me, the Swiss is flying the planes on several sorties... that makes me a bit nervous tbh.

BTW they had noise tests for the public... the net opinion seems to put Gripen somewhere between F-18 and F-5 Tiger but closer to the F-18. That was take-off with full afterburner... no cheating allowed!

Herman the II
08-15-2008, 06:01 AM
A more important test was related to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfSpNVipZTo).
I predict that the Gripen will be the only contender that will be able to met the given place-requirements. Time will tell..:)

signatory
08-15-2008, 06:25 AM
A more important test was related to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfSpNVipZTo).
I predict that the Gripen will be the only contender that will be able to met the given place-requirements. Time will tell..:)

Cool video.. yeap time will tell :)

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Saab/Gripen team completes Hungarian offset contract
The Gripen industrial co-operation obligation in Hungary has now been completed.

2008-08-15 | At its meeting held on March 27th 2008 the Hungarian Offset Committee, headed by the Hungarian Ministry of Economy and Transport, approved the final offset achievements submitted by the Saab/Gripen team. The remaining 2% of the offset obligation that was approved comprised the balance of the investment element of the offset contract. The total value of the Gripen offset delivered is 7419 million SEK (789 MEUR).

“The Hungarian government is highly satisfied with Gripen International's commitment in fulfilling the Gripen offset obligation. They have delivered according to the contract and ahead of time. We will continue discussions between ourselves and Gripen International on future collaboration for the mutual benefit of Hungary and Sweden, taking advantage of the momentum of the offset programme” says Dr.Sándor Szabó, Director General of Investment and Defence Coordination ,Hungarian Ministry of National Development and Economy (legal successor of the Ministry of Economy and Transport).

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/BF6E8066-457C-469A-962A-DDBAF4D749D7/7587/080815_GripenwithHungariadotjpg

“We have delivered our total Gripen offset obligation ahead of time to the Hungarian Ministry of Economy and Transport. We are extremely pleased with our result in Hungary and we look forward to our continued relationship with the Hungarian government” says Kaj Rosander, Programme Director, Gripen International.

Ever since the early 1990s, when Saab AB (and later Gripen International) began promoting Gripen to the Government of Hungary, offset and industrial co-operation have been important items on the agenda. When the first contract between Hungary (MoD) and Sweden (FMV) was signed in 2001, covering the lease of 14 Gripen aircraft, an associated Offset Agreement was concluded between Gripen International and the Government of Hungary, under which Gripen International assumed a commitment to undertake certain activities to offset the aircraft contract. Through the offset program, Gripen International is dedicated to stimulating employment and economic growth, generating investments, export growth and building sustainable business in Hungary. link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080815_Hungarian_offset_contract.htm)



August 15, 2008, 8:34 CET

Prosecutor finds no smoking gun in Gripen procurement allegations
By Hungary Around the Clock
The Central Investigative Prosecutor General's Office announced Thursday that it had found no evidence of a crime in the procurement of Gripen fighter jets in 2001 and the subsequent expansion of the contract in 2003.

The Office looked into the matter after the Swedish state prosecutor launched an investigation of Gripen manufacturer Saab based on newspaper reports of possible bribery in the sale of the jets to the Czech Republic and Hungary. It was not clear whether abuse was suspected in the procurement of the fighter jets by the Fidesz government in 2001 or when the contracts were amended in 2003 by the Medgyessy cabinet.

Géza Fazekas, spokesman for the Office, said the investigation was closed in May.

link (http://www.politics.hu/20080815/prosecutor-finds-no-smoking-gun-in-gripen-procurement-allegations)


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South African Gripen deliveries on track
South Africa has taken delivery of its third and fourth Gripen multi-role fighter aircraft, which arrived in Cape Town this week.

2008-08-15 | South Africa has ordered 26 Gripen aircraft from a Saab-BAE Systems consortium as part of its 1999 Strategic Defence Procurement programme.

These modern Gripen C/D fighters are replacing the South African Air Force’s (SAAF) fleet of obsolete Cheetah and Mirage F1 aircraft, enabling the SAAF to simultaneously downsize its fighter inventory while maintaining its full operational capability for national defence and regional peace missions.

Deliveries of the nine dual-seat and 17 single-seat Gripens are on schedule and will be completed by 2012. South Africa’s Gripens will be operated by 2 Squadron at Air Force Base Makhado in the country’s Limpopo province.

link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080815_South_African_Gripen_deliveries.htm)

mountainbear
08-15-2008, 07:35 AM
A more important test was related to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfSpNVipZTo).
I predict that the Gripen will be the only contender that will be able to met the given place-requirements. Time will tell..:)

Interesting vid thanks!
I don’t think these underground bases are much in uses anymore. Meiringen is the only one of the 3 last air bases to have it and they have been modified to accept the F/A 18. The big problem is the hardened shelters. I have read in the newspaper that during 2004 air show in Payern the air force tried to fit the Rafale in one of them but it was too tall to get in.

Annihilator9112
08-17-2008, 07:50 AM
first 3 Gripens on their way to croatia

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1192/gripengq3dotjpg


ROFL!!!roflroflroflp-)

Fallap
08-17-2008, 12:43 PM
I hope Denmark chooses the Gripen - cause it's just so awesome.

JohanGrön
08-19-2008, 05:27 PM
The annual airshow at Kecskemét (http://repulonap.hu/airshow/rovatok/en/2008/participants_/) in Hungary was held this weekend. I found some videos at the tube :

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj_KZM1laRc
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=zzNfaEyudeU
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=0zaBwlp07_I

perdurabo
08-19-2008, 05:37 PM
I hope Denmark chooses the Gripen - cause it's just so awesome.nation dosent buy planes because they are awesome, they buy it because its best what their money can buy, in Denemark Gripen will have to face F-35 so it will be realy tough opponent to beat, my money are on Lightning II, but this new Gripen-N is realy good proposal (for me F16A/B and C/D of erly blocks<GripenC/D<F16C/D above blk40<GripenN<F35...)

signatory
08-19-2008, 06:35 PM
http://i37.*******.com/9gvpsgdotjpg

More general photos from Kecskemét here (http://www.jetfly.hu/rovatok/legter/2005airshow/repulonap_2008_galeria/) at Jetfly.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/936/thaiflag4bf59erd5dotpng

Last Wednesday a Thai delegation was demonstrated the JAS 39C system by FMV using jets from F 17 on the island of Gotland. Source (http://www.f17.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=41686)

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7671/swissflag60w4c8395gm9dotpng

Evaluation tests in Switzerland is finished. Some 30 sorties were completed. source (http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/story/31306694) VIDEO on the link.

http://www.3sjostridsflj.mil.se/images/local/_mg_8583dotjpg

Tactical Air Support of Maritime Operations, etc, Swedish articles. [1 (http://www.marinen.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=41633&ncid=658)] , [2 (http://www.f17.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=41663)]

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8905/mg8588bi7.thdotjpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mg8588bi7dotjpg)http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9664/mg8521wd4.thdotjpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mg8521wd4dotjpg)

Skyman
08-21-2008, 09:55 PM
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/936/thaiflag4bf59erd5dotpng

Last Wednesday a Thai delegation was demonstrated the JAS 39C system by FMV using jets from F 17 on the island of Gotland. Source (http://www.f17.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=41686)


Any photo? :)

signatory
08-23-2008, 12:44 PM
Any photo? :)

Not yet anyway... I've made some inquiries though.

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Loading the AKAN during Red Flag 08-3

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Misc bits of news:

Conversion Training

http://www.f7.mil.se/images/local/20080822_cz-hu_ettadotjpg

Another set of Czech and Hungarian pilots is now at F 7 for conversion training. Next week they will go to Halmstad and the technical school. Then back to F7 for simulator training followed by solo flights on Gripen weeks 39-40. The Czech will return home week 45 and the Hungarians week 48 or 49.

link (http://www.f7.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=41718)

Romania

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/143/romanianflagc3c05ddx9dotpng

On the 2nd of September the Swedish Defence minister will visit his Romanian counterpart in Bucharest for bilateral talks. They most recently met in Stockholm on June 29, coincidently only 3 days after the Swedish air Chief of Staff visited his counterpart on location in Romania.

Several JAS 39C/D aircraft demonstrations has been conducted for the FAR at this stage both down in Romania and recently in Sweden. For instance, ahead of RoIAS 2006 (http://www.targeta.co.uk/roias.htm) four JAS 39C/D was flown down and as part of the introduction two Romanian test pilots were given rides on Gripens to collect some personal impressions.

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Guess I forgot to post this. GI updated the 'Face of Success' (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/7F8A4AB9-166F-43E0-9F08-21F526177D5B/0/TheFaceofSuccess2008.pdf)stuff over the summer...

http://i34.*******.com/fbw6tjdotjpg


“Implementation of the Gripen system to the Hungarian Air Force has secured our ability to defend our borders and to carry out our assignments in NATO . We are proud to have one of the most advanced combat aircraft in the world in our air force. It has proven to be reliable, sustain mission efficiency and perform with low life cycle costs just as promised. Gripen really does exceed our expectations and we look forward to sustaining Gripen for the next 30 years ahead according to existing plans.”

Lieutenant General László Tömböl, Commander Joint Force Command, Hungarian Army Air Force

..and other similar quotes from the six Gripen customers.

JohanGrön
08-23-2008, 03:19 PM
I've been curious as to what this mod next to the insignia on 39.822 is... been thinking maybe it's trying out new a warner system... I dunno. :|

Photos from the Swiss tests.

http://i33.*******.com/2dbmcrtdotjpg

http://i36.*******.com/24eyzvsdotjpg

http://i38.*******.com/6hrw9cdotjpg

http://i36.*******.com/30m7juedotjpg

39.829 does not have it.

Just the normal flat formation light.

http://i38.*******.com/1625e9wdotjpg


There are more Gripens out there with the same device, these photos are of aircraft 39.227 (C) taken from the gripen-pdf (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/7F8A4AB9-166F-43E0-9F08-21F526177D5B/0/TheFaceofSuccess2008.pdf) in signatorys last post.
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This is how the Gripen Demo aircraft is equipped at the same place.
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Herman the II
08-23-2008, 03:33 PM
I would say its either a passive radar-warner or a mm-radar as part of a MAWS.

signatory
08-24-2008, 03:14 AM
There are more Gripens out there with the same device, these photos are of aircraft 39.227 (C) taken from the gripen-pdf (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/7F8A4AB9-166F-43E0-9F08-21F526177D5B/0/TheFaceofSuccess2008.pdf) in signatorys last post.
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That's over in Dubai 2005... 39.227 is the first from batch 27 (first of Tranche 3) which was delivered in 2003. 39.822 seem to by flown by Saab Aerosystems.. used on missile integration and reccelite trials.. the 822 pic with iris-t below is from 2006.

It does look like telemetry or some kind of light under a plastic lid... just odd it's not on other jets like the ones used for meteor trials.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/5132/822irist1eb2.thdotjpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=822irist1eb2dotjpg)http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7787/grej1cy7.thdotjpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grej1cy7dotjpg)http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1323/grej2rp3.thdotjpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grej2rp3dotjpg)http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/461/822reccelitesmallpu8.thdotjpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=822reccelitesmallpu8dotjpg)


This is how the Gripen Demo aircraft is equipped at the same place.


At least so far :) 39-7 will be kitted out during the winter with new systems..

JohanGrön
08-24-2008, 04:33 AM
... just odd it's not on other jets like the ones used for meteor trials...

Regarding the Meteror trials: the rest of the trials are to be performed in Britain with the Eurofighter instead of Gripen as a platform, I have heard.

Is this true, and if when are they to commence? Didn't know that the Eurofighter already had integrated the Meteor ...

signatory
08-24-2008, 04:56 AM
Regarding the Meteror trials: the rest of the trials are to be performed in Britain with the Eurofighter instead of Gripen as a platform, I have heard.

Is this true, and if when are they to commence? Didn't know that the Eurofighter already had integrated the Meteor ...

Not for a while. Saab in 2007 got the contract to do the work until 2010.. much of that work is done in Britain... then Eurofighter will either take over the leading role or continue like today.. I guess it depends most if/when the partners in the consortium orders missile integration. So far Sweden and France has ordered integration but the Rafale need to upgrade the radar and links so MBDA continues to give the meteor testing/firings to Saab and Gripen. Gripen is so far the only jet to have fired the missile.

Actually by 2010 there's probably not much more testing required anyway, I think the development schedule is until 2011... already this year they start to set up the industry for series production.

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.nl Newsspotting:

Saab will do some kind of presentation in the Netherlands next week about the Gripen NG and on possible job creating industry deals. Saab was as you know re-invited to the F-16 replacement tender. Lockheed and Saab is the only companies offering jets as Dassault and Eurofighter don't see any point in bidding seeing how much NL has invested in the JSF and their jets would likely be more costly anyway.

Some of the corps Saab and Investor AB can call upon:

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4397/investoryh4.thdotjpg (http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=investoryh4dotjpg)

Herman the II
08-24-2008, 07:02 AM
It does look like telemetry or some kind of light under a plastic lid... just odd it's not on other jets like the ones used for meteor trials.


Maybe some kind of laser warning receiver? Would be the same location as in the EF Typhoon. I still believe its part of a MAWS, be it a laser or radar receiver.
Why would somebody install a light in that position?

signatory
08-24-2008, 08:25 AM
Maybe some kind of laser warning receiver? Would be the same location as in the EF Typhoon. I still believe its part of a MAWS, be it a laser or radar receiver.
Why would somebody install a light in that position?

But I just can't see any optics in there if it was laser...

@ JohanGrön

I see now it's the same little thing... just two different ways of attaching it. So maybe it's on other test a/c tii but I haven't noticed. And btw, while checking pics I noticed 39-6 got that bigger VHF antenna too.

http://i37.*******.com/25ions3dotjpg

http://i35.*******.com/2ica36adotjpg

Maybe it's a braille sign for blind people :)

gvg
08-24-2008, 09:16 AM
.nl Newsspotting:

Saab will do some kind of presentation in the Netherlands next week about the Gripen NG and on possible job creating industry deals. Saab was as you know re-invited to the F-16 replacement tender. Lockheed and Saab is the only companies offering jets as Dassault and Eurofighter don't see any point in bidding seeing how much NL has invested in the JSF and their jets would likely be more costly anyway.

A newspaper article (in Dutch) can be found here (http://www.trouw.nl/laatstenieuws/ln_binnenland/article1068687.ece/Beslissende_fase_om_opvolger_F-16_brandt_los#readmore).

Quick translation of the interesting part:


Final phase of F-16 replacement starts

The battle for the successor to the F-16 fighter will be entering an exciting phase. Monday the MoD will receive up-to-date information about their offerings for the delivery of a new aircraft. from both Lockheed Martin and Saab.

This information will be the overture to a final choice in 2010. The U.S. aerospace company develops the F-35 Lightning II, also known as the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). The Swedish company will present the Gripen Next Generation, a new variant of a previously inadequate plane. According to reports, Saab will also present proposals that are favourable to employment in the Netherlands. With the JSF this is already the case. Tuesday the Swedish manufacturer will give an explanation of its offer.
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Loke2
08-25-2008, 04:18 AM
Increased sceptisicism in South Korea regarding manned stealth planes.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/07/116_28106.html



Representatives of Boeing and Saab at the seminar evinced little interest in KF-X, proposing instead that Seoul join their F-15E1 Technology Demonstrator Aircraft or Next Generation Gripen program, respectively.

``Saab offers technology transfer in a partnership of equals, which will allow Korea to manage its own development programs in the future,'' said Tommy Ivarsson, senior president of Saab Aerosystems.

...

Until last year, at least, Air Force officials planned to request bids in 2011 to supply stealth fighters for deployment between 2014 and 2019.

The F-35 was the leading candidate, since Lockheed's F-22 Raptor may be out of Seoul's reach financially and is currently blocked from export. But many defense experts say the F-35's currently quoted price, between $45 million and $63 million each, is likely to increase as predicted orders fall and tooling prices rise.

Lee expressed skepticism about buying U.S. stealth jets, citing high operational and maintenance costs and ``capabilities trade-offs'' in range, payload, speed, persistence and more areas.

``There are lots of question marks as to the purchase of F-22s or F-35s, given the aircraft's low cost effectiveness, and the fact their performance criteria are beyond that required on the peninsula,'' he said. "Stealth fighters would have a little more advantage than 4.5-generation and other aircraft in air-to-air operations, but in air-to-ground missions, I think those aircraft that can carry large payloads in and outside of the aircraft would be more beneficial, in particular after removing enemy's anti-air defense systems.''



L2

signatory
08-25-2008, 07:22 AM
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3079/netherlands1603e8fca2dotpng



http://www.saabgroup.com/SaabGroup.Web.WebSite/Images/logotypedotgif

The Netherlands shows interest in Gripen
[2008-08-25 12:10]

Saab has today responded to the F16 replacement questionnaire issued by the Dutch Ministry of Defence, offering 85 Gripen NG (Next Generation) to the Royal Netherlands Air Force.

The response is an all inclusive package with 85 Gripen NG, training, spares, simulators and support at a price that meets the Dutch defence budget plans.

Saab is prepared to offer industrial co-operation to at least 100 percent of the total value of a possible contract, which would generate economic benefits and employment within Dutch high-tech industry.

http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/259E84AE-D9ED-4743-9F8E-1512F8507353/7655/080825_Holland_response_360dotjpg

Gripen NG is a true multi-role fighter aircraft, fulfilling all the capabilities the Royal Netherlands Air Force has specified in its request, such as combat range and endurance, weapons carriage capability, engine thrust and super cruise capability.

More details on the Gripen offer to the Netherlands will be presented at a press conference in Den Haag on Tuesday.

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http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/the_netherlands_shows_interest_in_gripen.htm

http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080825_Netherlands_interest.htm



http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4755/xlbbsaabgripende145977aaz2dotjpg

Information about the Gripen NG/Demo (pdf) (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/FCB6D4D6-8D7E-4824-B674-4B42B761A7F9/0/GripenNewsDemo_080414_final.pdf)

" We know we lie well within the Dutch budget guidelines. What we are offering is 85 aircraft, all the training, all spare parts and the simulators. It is a big package." - Magnus Lewis-Olsson, campaign leader and test pilot.

link (http://www.corren.se/archive/2008/8/25/juzzzybz08vlueg.xml)

Ps. Marketing is one thing... Last week the Swedish gov approved for the Royal Netherlands AF to view SwAF operational experience on the Gripen system. This could help them see how well the system of today is holding up during exercises plus a chance to see budget issues such as actual life cycle costs.

Jeancarl
08-25-2008, 06:02 PM
I was minutes away to post news about the Dutch offer
I'm strong supporter of the F-35
I think a lot of people, even lockheedmartin underestimated the Gripen!
(Me included)
The new Gripen NG can be a big nightmare for the F-35 Team

first of all I didn't even know that the new Gripen has super cruise capability

" Gripen NG is a true multi-role fighter aircraft, fulfilling all the capabilities the Royal Netherlands Air Force has specified in its request, such as combat range and endurance, weapons carriage capability, engine thrust and super cruise capability."

if that's the case, i think Gripen has a big chance for the Dutch order
(saab is offering, spare parts, training, simulators all in one package)

this is getting more interested every day

Morboute
08-26-2008, 08:45 AM
I was gona post about it too, just saw it when i looked at the local.. :)

http://www.thelocal.se/13922/20080825/

signatory
08-26-2008, 11:47 AM
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3079/netherlands1603e8fca2dotpng

Some of the info from today's press conf in the Netherlands:

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9254/gripenngmodelllb0dotjpg
A Gripen model used during the conference

Saab claim the Netherlands could save up to 6 billion euros by selecting the Gripen NG over it's entire life span compared to the JSF. (My opinion: Likely based quite a lot on fuel prices)

Saab is offering over 100% in guranteed industry deals.

Saab received 230 questions by the Dutch MOD on June 23 and replied with 85% of the answers on the 25th of August.

Saab estimated at least 90 days to get all the questions answered and had asked for a 30 day extension. This was denied by the Dutch MOD who urgently plan to sign a purchase contract during 2010.

...and despite having been on NATO's front line QRA since July 2005, Magnus Lewis-Olssen had to again confirm to the press the Gripen system is actually NATO compatible.

Well, that's about it for now.

http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1357416/Saab+presenteert+Gripen.html
http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1357453/Gegevens+Saab+nog+niet+volledig.html
http://www.elsevier.nl/web/10200920/Nieuws/Economie/Zweedse-concurrent-opent-aanval-op-JSF.htm


... I suppose only LM can get away with delays eh. :)

jontew
08-26-2008, 12:30 PM
Whats that round thing on the nose?

Thor
08-26-2008, 12:34 PM
Saab estimated at least 90 days to get all the questions answered and had asked for a 30 day extension. This was denied by the Dutch MOD who urgently plan to sign a purchase contract during 2010.
Not a good sign...

Still, SAAB is doing the right thing by participating in the tender (unlike others).

signatory
08-26-2008, 01:33 PM
Whats that round thing on the nose?

A IRST... InfraRed Search and Track sensor.

@ Thor, yeah they might just as well answer...

jontew
08-26-2008, 01:38 PM
Ah okay thanks! Isn't that mounted in a pod on the C/D-version?

signatory
08-26-2008, 02:12 PM
@ Jontew, the LITENING POD can do some of the IRST capability and else but it's not a 100% replacement for this improved passive search and track capability for A2A missions.

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Here we go.

http://i38.*******.com/1e999zdotjpg

Press brief Gripen NL (PDF@jsfnieuws.nl) (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/NLGRIPENPRESSBRIEFAug08.pdf)

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Gripen NL Overview (PDF@jsfnieuws.nl) (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/NLGRIPENOVERVIEWAug08.pdf)

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gvg
08-26-2008, 03:56 PM
.......
Saab estimated at least 90 days to get all the questions answered and had asked for a 30 day extension. This was denied by the Dutch MOD who urgently plan to sign a purchase contract during 2010.
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The only reference so far that the MoD refused the extension is at jsfnieuws.nl (and frankly I don't trust them, because I recently pointed to them that they wrote something else than the article they linked to for justification. I got replies, but they kept dodging my question and just said they had done indepent research. They never changed the link that said something else than they said. And my comment never got published.)

Another source says that the two largest ruling political partners (both waaaaaay bigger than the third) are inclined to give Saab more time.
Source (http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/08/art000001C90782D4CECDA7.html)(in Dutch only)

signatory
08-26-2008, 04:07 PM
The only reference so far that the MoD refused the extension is at jsfnieuws.nl (and frankly I don't trust them, because I recently pointed to them that they wrote something else than the article they linked to for justification. I got replies, but they kept dodging my question and just said they had done indepent research. They never changed the link that said something else than they said. And my comment never got published.)

Another source says that the two largest ruling political partners (both waaaaaay bigger than the third) are inclined to give Saab more time.
Source (http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/08/art000001C90782D4CECDA7.html)(in Dutch only)

Actually it says so in the Gripen presentation.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5539/clipboard11wx8.thdotjpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard11wx8dotjpg)

I hope they get more time... I think they will. It's not the most vital information from what I understand anyway.

gvg
08-26-2008, 04:50 PM
Blame on me for reading the pdf too fast.
It means Saab has too keep using their PR-machine to keep the Dutch Parliament involved. A couple of parties do want a real competition, the air force however, does not.

From what I understand a lot of it has to do with needing export clearances from the USA, in particular for the engine. That alone takes more time than they got from the MoD for their answers.

Rapier55
08-26-2008, 07:50 PM
Griping about the Gripen

The House armed services committee has the air force's newest fighter squarely in its sights, writes Surasak Tumcharoen


Although the military has already signed the 19-billion-baht deal to buy six JAS 39C/D Gripen combat aircraft from Sweden, a group of civilian MPs are arguing the contract should be cancelled. They say the ageing US-made F-5 Tiger fighters which the Gripens will replace could be refurbished and upgraded for far less, and continue to do an adequate job.

The House armed services committee chairman Somchai Phetprasert raised the issue.

He said the the public was aware of the purchase of the first six of the multi-role jets, with the first scheduled for delivery in 2011.

The order was placed and signed for by air force commander-in-chief ACM Chalit Phukpasuk, he said.

But it was not so well known that the air force planned the gradual procurement of a dozen of the Gripen jets, not just six, with the additional planes due to arrive after 2013.

Under the government-to-government agreement, the Swedish manufacturer, Saab, will initially deliver four one-seat and two two-seat fighters under the 19-billion-baht deal. The budget had been approved over a five-year period, with 10% to be paid in the current fiscal year.

The JAS 39C/D aircraft have a 27mm Mauser cannon and can carry US-made Sidewinder air-to-air missiles and Maverick air-to-surface missiles. They reach a speed of Mach 2 and have a combat radius of 800 kilometres.

They were destined for deployment at Air Base 71 in Surat Thani province, where they would replace the F-5 fighters.

The House committee chairman, who was a police colonel before he entered the political arena a decade ago, said his committee might bring up the Gripen jet purchase for debate.

They would not concentrate on the earlier question of whether the deal breached Article 190 of the constitution because it did not receive prior approval from the House of Representatives.

Mr Somchai said his committee would focus on whether the Swedish jets were compatible with current air force facilities, equipment and personnel.

Did the deal include maintenance and spare parts for the planes after 2013, when the five-year purchase deal was complete, he asked.

Mr Somchai said it also remained to be seen how cost-effective the Gripen fighters would ultimately be, given the incredibly high price of US$93 million each.

That compared with only $42 million for each of 26 Gripen fighters ordered by South Africa.

Mr Somchai said most air force pilots and crew were trained in the use of American weapon systems, software and aviation technology. Many had undergone intensive training courses in the United States so they fly the US-made aircraft deployed at various air bases nationwide.

Besides the ageing F-5 jets, there were the F-16 Falcon fighters which, according to the House committee chairman, many senior air force officers believed were even more reliable than the Gripen fighters.

He called for the rebuilding of the existing F-5s, especially the squadron deployed at Air Base 71 in Surat Thani province, which is to be decommissioned.

He said other aircraft throughout the country would also gradually be taken out of service because of lack of funds for maintenance and repairs.

Mr Somchai feared the cost of maintaining the airworthiness of the Swedish aircraft would be a far bigger drain on the tax purse.

When testifying before Mr Somchai's panel at parliament, air force officers had admitted that existing repair and maintenance programmes for the F-5s would have to be terminated to meet the costly payments for the Gripen aircraft, along with some logistic support projects.

Support programmes for the F-16 fighters, the most modern combat-ready planes in service with the air force, might also have to be downsized.

Mr Somchai said the US was not happy with the decision to buy the Gripens, and he doubted the Americans would continue to supply missiles and other weaponry for the Swedish jets in the years ahead.

Air force chief Chalit Phukphasuk, however, has rejected all criticism of the Swedish jets and the plan to buy them.

The Gripen jets use shorter runways for landing and takeoff than the American planes, ACM Chalit told Bangkok Post earlier this year.

''Gripens are more suitable for operations over the sea,'' said ACM Chalit.

The fighters would be the frontline protector of the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman Sea. They would also be available for use in the far southern provinces where an insurgency has raged since 2004.

''The Gripens will provide air cover for the Thai navy,'' he said.
''They will not be here as part of an arms race. They will be here for defence purposes.''
http://www.bangkokpost.com/260808_News/26Aug2008_news30.php

Bengan
08-26-2008, 09:53 PM
"Mr Somchai said it also remained to be seen how cost-effective the Gripen fighters would ultimately be, given the incredibly high price of US$93 million each.

That compared with only $42 million for each of 26 Gripen fighters ordered by South Africa. "

He's conveniently forgetting that with those $93m fighters, they're getting two free 340:s, one with an Erieye mounted...

Skyman
08-26-2008, 11:06 PM
That is a political-driven move. (ACM Chalit is ex-Junta and armed services committee of the house is Thaksin ally) It has a little impact since PM always showing that he do not want to clash with miliary. (Government needs military to prevent another coup)

The earlier attempt to brought Gripen case to the constitutional court is fail too because they see no way how they can destroy this deal. So they need to come up with the new attack like the reason they have mentioned. (Silly reason)

Don't worry much. rofl

signatory
08-27-2008, 03:57 AM
Cleaned up from the presentation.

Saab JAS Gripen Next Generation Flexible Weapons Load (Preliminary)

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pic two

They left out the AAMs on the two new belly-stations on these drawings. (Those missiles just recently arrived on some presentations... such as on the Gripen IN. The Dutch Pdf also says 12 AAMs.)

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http://www.nyteknik.se/multimedia/dynamic/00027/pilot_stor_27228bdotjpg

Swedish interview with Mikael Seidl who is undertaking test flights on the Gripen Demo.

Seidl says that so far it's behaving better than any other Gripen he has tested with fewer minor adjustments that otherwise tend to be required. They say 7 flights has been conducted with 40-60 planned for the year mainly done during September and October.

link (http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/flygplan/article400447.ece)

Googlefished translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyteknik.se%2Fnyheter%2Ffordon_motor%2Fflygplan%2Farticle400447.ece&hl=sv&ie=UTF8&sl=sv&tl=en)

signatory
08-27-2008, 09:27 AM
Interview with Saab test pilot and campaign director Magnus Lewis-Olsson


http://www.scorpionaviation.com/html/Gripen.html

August 22 20008

What are you doing to stay tactically current in the Saab Gripen:
"Magnus" - If the question is directed at me personally then my answer must be that as a test pilot you do stay current from a technical and flying skills perspective but to stay tactically current with all developments within the Air Force today is harder. We try to participate in air force exercises and we do follow the developments through colleagues in the air force. However, even though I as a Gripen test pilot probably have more hours on the jet than most Swedish Air Force pilots, I can never compete tactically with them, at least not regarding the latest developments such as NTISR etc. In some fields, such as BVR fights, where I had a big hand in the development within the SwAF, I still think I can hold my own but I'm not sure all younger fighter pilots in the Air Force would agree...If your question is aimed at Saab in general, our company has extremely good knowledge of the latest developments within the tactical sphere as we are required to answer questions about this from countries all over the world.

What are your initial impressions of the Saab Gripen:
"Magnus" - My initial impressions of the Gripen were formed many years ago but they still stand. Gripen is a fantastic aircraft to fly, a pilots dream and all the pilots that have flown the aircraft since, Swedish as well as foreigners, seems to have the same opinion.

How does the Saab Gripen compare to any other bomber and/or aircraft you have flown, and what are the main differences:
"Magnus" - 1. A truly amazing data link
2. A fantastic flight control system
3. Outstanding agility
4. An HMI that still has no comparison anywhere in the world.

Have you already flown the two-seat "New Technology Demonstrator", and how does it compare to the "older" A/B/C/D models:
"Magnus" - No, but I was one of the "inventors" of it. In short, the aircraft is designed to demonstrate a new engine, the F414G, more internal fuel (+40%), more weapon stations and a new avionics architecture. It's a beast.

The cockpit layout provides a human-machine interface that eases pilot workload substantially and increases situational awareness.
Could you tell us a little bit more of these systems, and how they work and/or ease the workload:
"Magnus" - The simplest way to put it is to say that they are designed in a way that allows the pilot to understand everything without reading a manual. If all electronic gizmos we buy in the shops had an HMI like Gripen, we would save a lot of paper...Just to give one example, in every fighter in the world, you somehow show when you can fire an air-to-air missile. In most aircraft this is shown with bars, numbers or lines. In Gripen you show the entire envelope of the missile based on your current energy state but you also show the same for your enemy. Everything is shown graphically and it is very easy to manoeuvre to a position, by just looking at the graphics on the electronic map, where I can fire my missiles and where I know that my opponent can't. It sounds simple but you will not find that in any other fighter.

The cockpit is equipped with a advanced cockpit layout with large color Multi-Function Displays (MFDs) and Hands-On-Throttle-And-Stick (HOTAS) controls. Could you please guide us true these displays and systems, to have an idea how it works, and makes live easier:
"Magnus" - Big question. To put it short, the Head down Displays gives me situational awareness through an intuitive, scalable map with my own ship position and the positions and tracks of all my wingmen and all known targets. The EW display shows a correlated, data fused picture of emitting radars around me. The multi sensor display show information from all my sensors (radar, weapons, targeting pods etc) . The HUD, which one might think look all the same in all fighters, is different in Gripen. It is amazing and it's something every pilot that has flown the Gripen wants in their own aircraft. It is protected by a Saab patent.

The Saab Gripen is powered by a Volvo Aero RM12 afterburning turbofan engine, is this in your opinion a key asset of the Gripen. Please explain what the main advantage is of this engine, and what gives just that extra, compared to others:
"Magnus" - The RM12 is extremely trustworthy with 120 000 flying hours without a single flame out. It is very responsive and you can treat it very roughly without any problems.

The Saab Gripen is prepared to land on public roads, which is very common within the Air Force of Sweden.
What are does preparations, please explain:
"Magnus" - Once again the HMI is outstanding. You press L (for landing) on the UCP, select the road base, and follow the information in the HUD. Piece of cake!

What is the hardest, and easiest thing about working on the Saab Gripen?:
"Magnus" - The hardest thing is getting people to understand that this fighter is the best choice for almost all air forces in the world even though it is made in a small country up north. Everything else is easy in comparison.

The Saab Gripen is build with keeping in mind a very low maintenance percentage. The operating costs are 50% lower than other competitors. Please explain which systems and/or use of the Gripen is made easier:
"Magnus" - Your figure is probably correct if we talk about legacy fighters like the F16. If we compare with large aircraft like the Eurofighter, our operating costs are much less in comparison. Much, much, much less.

Could you please guide us true the most commonly used weapon system on the Saab Gripen, and how they are integrated with all the latest and highly technologically used systems and the radar:
"Magnus" - That would be classified ;-)

The Gripen is packed with Fully-integrated avionic systems operating via five MIL-STD 1553B digital data bus highways, and the world's most highly developed data link. Could you please explain a little bit more of those systems:
"Magnus" - In short, the data buses, whether it is the 1553 bus or the weapon related 1760 bus is a way for individual subsystems to talk to each other on a common channel. It is a prerequisite for proper data fusion etc.

The Dutch Air Force (RNLAF) is revaluating of buying the Saab Gripen, could you please give your personal opinion on the Gripen.
Which will hopefully persuade the Dutch Government in buying the Gripen:
"Magnus" - First of all, Gripen NG will give the RNLAF a true multirole fighter that can carry weapons that the JSF can only dream about (METEOR for instance). It's super cruise capability (where you can fly supersonic without using the afterburner) together the weapons makes it a formidable air-to-air fighter, something every pilot wants if things are for real. The ability to carry a massive weapons load is also a plus if you are using it in the air-to-ground role and the fact that it can be used for tactical and strategic recce in peace and war is also a good feature for the Netherlands. The Dutch will be invited to participate in the development of the Gripen NG which can revitalize the Dutch Aerospace industry and give real, high tech jobs. The cost of acquisition is a fraction of the competition and the cost of operating the aircraft will not bleed the RNLAF to death.

And last but not least, could you maybe share a short story of a memorable deployment or exercise flight you have made in the JAS 39 Gripen, or any other memorable flight during combat:
"Magnus" - That would take more room and time than I have right now, but the last two years, spent in South Africa testing their new Gripen, was probably the best flying period in my life.

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Adding this old video of Magnus talking about the JAS 39C cockpit.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Bt8qVX-UKVA

gvg
08-27-2008, 03:56 PM
Netherlands, Norway Fighter Pitches Are In (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3ac37bf741-e055-48ca-8c82-e7234d227276&plckCommentSortOrder=TimeStampAscending)
Posted by Bill Sweetman (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/community/persona/index.jsp?newspaperUserId=152392&plckUserId=152392) at 8/27/2008 8:00 AM CDT

Both the Joint Strike Fighter and Gripen teams have released unclassified executive summaries of firm proposals to Norway and the Netherlands - which, after several years during which they looked like safe markets for JSF, are now running competitions to replace their F-16s.
The JSF document can be found here (http://norway.usembassy.gov/root/pdfs/volume-1---executive-summary---part-1_dista.pdf), and the Gripen equivalent here (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/NLGRIPENOVERVIEWAug08.pdf). There are some interesting comparisons between the two.
Here's JSF's range chart:


http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/7/53091e43-ba56-4da8-97ca-859757a9b53d.Largedotjpg

The annotation and accompanying text make clear that the mission is maritime surveillance - pretty much the easiest mission you could want in terms of range, all-subsonic at optimum altitude - and that the 728 nm radius is with external tanks. Weapons are two 1,000-pound-class GBU-12s and two AMRAAMs.
Two very interesting points: the cruise altitude is given as 5,000 to 25,000 feet and the external tanks add only 55 nm (8 per cent) to the operating radius, even though two 425 USG tanks add 30 per cent to the jet's fuel load. It surely can't be that the JSF can't cruise subsonically above 5,000 feet when loaded with external fuel - but something's strange when you burn 30 per cent of your fuel to cover 8 per cent of the range. It says that the specific range (miles per pound of fuel) is for some reason much lower at the start of the mission - which is when you would be using the extra fuel. (Graham Warwick suggests that the "5,000 foot" number may be to drop below a cloudbase for an electro-optical target ID.) And on a radar surveillance mission, wouldn't you want to cruise higher than 25,000 feet if you could?
Now, here's the equivalent from Gripen:


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This claims a 700 nm radius - but look again. It includes 30 min on station, equivalent to another 100-150 nm radius. And the weapon load of six AAMs is not far off the JSF's mission load in the example above. So the pint-sized Gripen is claiming more range than the F-35A - which, by the way, tips the scales fully loaded at the same weight as an F-15C, 68,000 pounds.
However, this one is not hard to explain. Roughly speaking, Gripen's operating empty weight is half that of the F-35 and its engine is a little more than half as powerful. But with external tanks it carries about 15,600 pounds of fuel, which is almost two-thirds of the F-35A's total fuel load including drop tanks. I canna alter the laws of physics, Captain- or the Breguet range equation, come to that.
Moreover, let's look at another airplane, one not unfamiliar in Fort Worth:


http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/14/13/1efc53bf-481a-407b-8daf-34a7f314e8ed.Largedotjpg

The F-16 in this case is loaded with all the fuel it can possibly carry, and the radius is 100 nm short of the advertised number for the F-35A, but look at the details. It's doing a 50 nm low-altitude ingress/egress and twice the weapon load that the JSF is carrying in the example above - four AAMs and two 2,000-pound bombs. This is also an old chart - today's F-16s carry internal jammers and would not be burdened with an ALQ-184 pod.
And, by the way, at last count the external tanks for the F-35A were an option (the US plans to certify them only for the B-model). Moreover, with external tanks the F-35A marketeers can't play their stealth trump card quite as boldly because (as their brochures emphasize) external stores compromise stealth.
Range is not a trivial matter for a fighter. It determines how much tanker support you need for a given mission, how long you can stay on a close air support station, or how long you spend searching for a maritime target at a given range. It's also related to fuel burn, a large and increasing element of operating cost.
Meanwhile, Norwegian newspapers are reporting (http://nordensnyheter.no/default.aspx?Id=1535) that Eurofighter is re-entering the fray in Norway, with the encouragement of the Norwegian MoD. The European consortium bailed from Norway (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3A27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3Af9d8c66d-090b-4346-a0f9-0fa4496c7e91)in a huff late in 2007, but is apparently detecting a changed climate now. The report says (thanks to Johan Boeder for translation) that state secretary for defense Barth Eide asked Eurofighter to reconsider and that the consortium could out an offer together in time for the formal evaluation this fall.
From Aviationweek (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3ac37bf741-e055-48ca-8c82-e7234d227276)

wilhelm
08-29-2008, 05:23 AM
Is the HMI from South Africa?

phlerp
08-29-2008, 09:14 AM
Is the HMI from South Africa?

I think you are confusing the HMI with the HMD.
HMI = Human Machine Interface
HMD = Head Mounted Display

BTW I think the HMI is one of the most underestimated things in the Gripen. people always talk about range, engine performance, turn rate, t/w ratio, weapons load etc, but always forget about the "soft" features that is equally important.

wilhelm
08-29-2008, 09:40 AM
I think you are confusing the HMI with the HMD.
HMI = Human Machine Interface
HMD = Head Mounted Display

BTW I think the HMI is one of the most underestimated things in the Gripen. people always talk about range, engine performance, turn rate, t/w ratio, weapons load etc, but always forget about the "soft" features that is equally important.

You are absolutely correct. My apologies.

You have Helmet mounted Sight (HMS), Helmet Mounted Display (HMD), Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS), Display and Sight Helmet (Dash), Helmet Mounted Symbology System (HMSS).........

Confusing.....:oops:

phlerp
08-29-2008, 09:48 AM
To be fair, all the mentioned head or helmet mounted display and sighting systems are one type of man machine interfaces. A HMD is a HMI, but a HMI doesn't necessarily have to be a HMD :roll:

JohanGrön
08-29-2008, 10:59 AM
I think you are confusing the HMI with the HMD.
HMI = Human Machine Interface
HMD = Head Mounted Display

BTW I think the HMI is one of the most underestimated things in the Gripen. people always talk about range, engine performance, turn rate, t/w ratio, weapons load etc, but always forget about the "soft" features that is equally important.

There's a whole science around symbology for example and to present the most relevant outside world information at the right moment. All aiming to give the pilot the best possible foundation for his or her decisions.

To simply present all information that is possible tends to block the pilot (information overload).

The HMD for Gripen is called the Cobra.



Gripen’s Cobra HMD is the latest version of the ‘Striker’ family and benefits directly from over 40 years of combined BAE SYSTEMS and Saab helmet experience. The fully integrated Helmet display system development is the overall responsibility of BAE SYSTEMS; the oxygen mask is being developed by G4 Systems, the high speed, high accuracy helmet tracking system by DENEL Optronics (former CUMULUS) and the display symbology by Saab.

Saab’s experience with HMDs dates back nearly 10 years, in which time thousands of hours have been poured into system development and symbology evolution


link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2007/071003_HMD.htm)

So yes, there's South African involvment with the HMD.

Cheers

signatory
08-31-2008, 08:04 PM
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Switzerland:

News reports suggests the financial situation due to ongoing reforms might force the airforce to use the lower procurement option of 22 jets rather than the one listed as 33 jets. link (http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/story/19863801)

Brazil:

The country plan to shortlist three jets by 7th September 2008 for the F-X2 tender. Brazil will no longer import off-the-shelf foreign products on large military systems so ToT is an important part. The final selection is planned for October 2009. Gripen NG, F/A-18E/F, SU-35, Eurofighter, Rafale and F-16BR is candidates before the shortlisting. link (http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2008/08/29/brasil_torna-se_parceiro_no_mercado_de_defesa_diz_ministro-548003188.asp)


EW Top 20

Saab is ranked number 8 on the annual Journal of Electronic Defense list for the EW Market.


8. Saab $285 million

Saab Group owns Sweden's largest EW businesses. Saab Avitronics is the leading EW business within Saab Group. Its revenue derives mainly from military customers in Sweden and South Africa. However, international sales of the Gripen fighter, Erieye AEW aircraft (which carry Saab EW systems) and products such as the BOL dispenser have also contributed significantly to its EW revenue. Saab's other EW businesses include Saab Grintek in South Africa, which manufactures COMINT and communications jamming systems, and Saab Barracuda, which makes a variety of multi-spectral signature management coverings based on its Ultra Light-Weight Camouflage Net Systems (ULCANS) products.
link (http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/1535814/the_ew_top_20/)

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Eye candy: SAAF AFB Makhado ZA03, SwAF AFB Nellis Red Flag 39.826

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Photo gallery Swiss tests (http://www.ar.admin.ch/internet/armasuisse/en/home/aktuell/evaluation_tte/gripen/fotos.html)

jontew
09-01-2008, 02:13 AM
Saab J29 60 Years today!
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3015/tunnan31166abu2dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)
EDIT: Any special guests at Saab today Sig? Cause I just watched a completeley insane airshow, I mean I have seen some airshows but they saved nothing on this one! Must be something special happening over there today, or is it some celebration regarding J29?

signatory
09-02-2008, 11:13 AM
Romania

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Sten Tolgfors and Dr. Teodor Melescanu


BUCHAREST, Sept 2 (*******) - The Romanian government is likely to give its approval in the next week or two to plans to buy fighter aircraft to bring its outdated air force up to NATO standards, Defence Minister Teodor Melescanu said on Tuesday.

Romania joined NATO in 2004 and has agreed to replace its Soviet-made MiG-21s with new aircraft.

The minister has said in the past the government had plans to spend at least 4 billion euros ($5.8 billion) for 48 aircraft.

"Very soon, maybe in a week or two, the government will agree on the procedure to acquire the planes," Melescanu was quoted as saying by the local Agerpres news agency.

Last month, Melescanu said the government would either invite companies to take part in a tender after approving the purchase or start direct negotiations with one of them.

Five aircraft are in the running: the F-16 built by Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), the F-18 from Boeing Co (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), the Rafale from France's Dassault (AVMD.PA: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), the Gripen from Sweden's SAAB (SAABb.ST: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and the Eurofighter from EADS (EAD.PA: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz).

Bucharest's choice will depend, in part, on the offers made by aircraft makers to offset costs with reinvestment in Romania.

Speaking at a news conference also attended by Swedish Defence Minister Sven Tolgfors, Melescanu also said Gripen's offset offer so far was "generous".

"But it is at a preliminary level," he was quoted saying.

The second-poorest European Union member, Romania has been a staunch ally of Washington's military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. (Reporting by Justyna Pawlak; Editing by Giles Elgood)

Edit: English link (http://www.*******.com/article/marketsNews/idUSL27906120080902)
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20 countries

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During these two days at the Gripen center 20 defence attachées from as many countries is having a look at the Gripen system. A air display is included.

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link (http://www.lidkopingsnytt.nu/2008/09/02/20-lander-ser-pa-jas-gripen-vid-satenas/)


More time in .NL

Dutch State Secretary of Defense Jack de Vries is letting Saab get another month to answer the questionnaire about Gripen NG. This time the date is September 30.

link (http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=27526)



Gripen NG Fighters for The Netherlands

Following the submission of its proposals in response to the Dutch MoD’s F-16 Replacement programme, the Saab/Gripen team held a press conference in Den Haag to outline its proposals.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/4F2AC1BF-0884-426F-95FC-12EE207C6792/7745/080901_GripenNG_360dotjpg

2008-09-01 | The Saab proposal is a comprehensive response to the Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF) F-16 fighter replacement Questionnaire.

Saab is offering an all-inclusive package comprising eighty-five (85) fully compliant NATO interoperable Gripen Next Generation (NG) true multi-role fighter aircraft with unrivalled availablilty, tailored for the future Net Centric (NCW) operational environment. Gripen NG will meet the demanding operational requirements of the RNLAF over the next 50 years and its unrivalled multi-role capability will provide the RNLAF with tactical flexibility in an unknown future.

Gripen NG offers operational dominance and flexibility with outstanding mission survivability. Air-to-air superiority is guaranteed with METEOR, AMRAAM, IRIS-T, AIM-9X, 12 missile capability, supercruise and Gripen NG’s superior situation awareness is delivered through an AESA radar, IRST, HMD, leading edge avionics design, next generation data processing and a state-of-the-art cockpit. These features, coupled with Gripen NG’s inherent Net Centric Capabilities including advanced data communications, dual datalinks, satellite comms and video links, coupled with increased range and thrust from its General Electric F414G Turbofan engine.

Saab is also offering a support solution that includes optimized key functions such as maintenance, training, supply and clearly defined support resources. The package includes Role Equipment for 85 aircraft including aircrew equipment, helmet-mounted displays, fuel drop tanks, pylons, EW systems, IRST systems and chaff and flare dispensers. In addition, the package includes mission support equipment, including mission planning and evaluation systems, digital map generating systems, threat library support systems, radio frequency planning systems and maintenance ground support system.

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Gripen for Netherlands Campaign Leader Magnus-Lewis-Olsson (left) with Gripen International Sales & Marketing Director Bob Kemp' Photographer: Saab

The training and logistics element includes mission simulators, desktop and computer-based training systems, pilot and ground crew training as well as ground support equipment, spares, publications and aircrew and ground crew support.

The Gripen NG solution meets the operational requirements of the RNLAF, delivers true multi-role capability and state-of-the-art technology. Owing to its outstanding reliability, maintainability and supportability Gripen will deliver at the most affordable acquisition and operational costs, compared to the known or predicted costs of alternative platforms. Gripen’s credible and fixed acquisition cost is based upon firm orders and known programme timescales. For the Netherlands, this would imply significant cost savings over 40+ years operation in comparison to alternative platforms. With experience from over 100,000 flight hours, current Gripen users have proven the unbeatable Life Cycle Costs of Gripen, which will be further improved in Gripen NG.

Gripen industrial co-operation has a proven track record around the world. Saab AB has a successful track record from more than 20 countries and has always succeeded in fulfilling industrial co-operation commitments, as proven in for example the Netherlands, Denmark, Hungary, Czech Republic, South Africa and Norway. In the Netherlands, Saab has co-operated with over 90 Dutch companies directly, or through industrial networks, with an offset delivery of 181 MEUR to date. Gripen International, through Saab AB, guarantees to deliver more than 100% of the contract value.

Gripen NG fulfills all Dutch requirements and will keep the RNLAF at the leading edge of military capabilities through 2050. Gripen NG meets all of the RNLAF operational requirements, has unbeatable low acquisition, operation and support costs and with technology transfer, will provide unrivalled access enabling autonomy and increased national security. With the full support of the Swedish government, the backing of world-leading defence industrial partners, Gripen NG is the fighter for the Netherlands.

http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080901_Gripen_Netherlands.htm

Flight International is about a week after mp.net but ok...


DATE:02/09/08
SOURCE:Flight International
Saab says Gripen NG will save Netherlands billions
By Anno Gravemaker

In its response to the Netherlands' request for proposals for a Lockheed Martin F-16 replacement, Saab claims that choosing the Gripen NG (Next Generation) could save the nation up to €6 billion ($8.8 billion) over the life of the programme, partly due to the design's lighter weight and lower fuel consumption than the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Saab answered about 85% of the 250 questions posed by the Dutch defence ministry, with one of the causes of its failure to complete the process stemming from a need to secure US government approval to publicly release some information: a process which takes a minimum of 90 days.

Bob Kemp, sales and marketing senior vice-president for Saab-led Gripen International, says that by allowing the company additional time to answer the outstanding questions the Dutch government can show that there still is a fair battle to win the order, which at €5.7 billion will be the largest defence purchase in the nation's history. A formal decision on the F-16 replacement will be made during 2010.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/09/02/315384/saab-says-gripen-ng-will-save-netherlands-billions.html

gvg
09-02-2008, 06:36 PM
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More time in .NL

Dutch State Secretary of Defense Jack de Vries is letting Saab get another month to answer the questionnaire about Gripen NG. This time the date is September 30.

link (http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=27526)
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The letter (http://www.mindef.nl/binaries/020908_Uitstel_Saab_en_LM_tcm15-111546.pdf) to Parliament (in Dutch).

Well, of course, both manufacturers get until September, not only Saab.

About the Gripen the letter says:
Information until now incomplete. But Saab has confirmed, in writing, that they can give us all information by September 30. One of the reasons they need more time is approval from the US for the release of classified information on American components.

Another interesting part is that the letter also mentions that the information LM send about the Advanced F-16 is "nearly complete".
That just sounds like 'incomplete' to me.

I think the MoD had no choice to give this extension, because otherwise Parliament would have told them to do so with two incomplete questionnaires, although the letter suggests the extension has been given because Saab asked for it.

Atle
09-02-2008, 07:05 PM
Another interesting part is that the letter also mentions that the information LM send about the Advanced F-16 is "nearly complete".
That just sounds like 'incomplete' to me.



But why is LM competing with itself? F-35 is meant to be the future for them and they have to secure as many orders as early as possible. Selling F-16's instead makes no sense if they are serious about JSF, even more confusing than that they arent proposing F-35 to Brazil.

JohanGrön
09-03-2008, 04:15 AM
But why is LM competing with itself? F-35 is meant to be the future for them and they have to secure as many orders as early as possible. Selling F-16's instead makes no sense if they are serious about JSF, even more confusing than that they arent proposing F-35 to Brazil.

One of the reasons given for not proposing F-35 to Brazil is that they are not allowed to transfer the technology for the F-35 to Brazil (or any other country for that matter?). Which is one of the essential demands in the FX-2 RFP by Brazil.

The other given reason beeing the timeframe (too tight for the JSF).


The North American company does not feel that it will be able to provide the technology necessary to maintain the aircraft in operation at the rate the Brazilian government is seeking. For this reason, Lockheed Martin has decided to instead present its F-16BR model. Another reason for the F-16 over the F-35 is that the United States government will not authorize the technology transfer for the F-35 model. The compromise led to the selection of the F-16. link (http://www.forecastinternational.com/abstract.cfm?recno=151424)

How sensitive is the Gripen team in regard to technology transfer to customers? There are systems/components from other countries that might complicate things a bit.

gvg
09-03-2008, 09:36 AM
But why is LM competing with itself? F-35 is meant to be the future for them and they have to secure as many orders as early as possible. Selling F-16's instead makes no sense if they are serious about JSF, even more confusing than that they arent proposing F-35 to Brazil.
I guess it depends on how big LM thinks the risk is that the Netherlands will find the F-35 too expensive and want something else, in which case the F-16 would be an option.

semialgebraic_space
09-03-2008, 11:57 AM
There are systems/components from other countries that might complicate things a bit.

But what are the foreign components that could deny ToT by a third party? I read this often but I have never seen the components really specified.

Like David Hamilton of Eurofighter says Gripen contains "US sourced technologies, radr, engines etc." (http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2006/05/01/464965.html)

One could hope that SAAB would have learned it's lesson from the Viggen project, which used a more or less complete American engine, for example. (And which indeed got denied export to India in the 1970's).

By pure logic, SAAB would do everything to keep this from happening again.

But in the case of the Gripen engine RM12 as I have understood it, the original GE F404 is much modified and the sensitive parts are *****ped and replaced with SAAB's own designs.

And the Gripen radar is not American made. It's developed by Ericsson and Marconi (BAE) and like the Eurofighter's radar, it's based on the BAE "Blue Vixen" radar. I can't see why they would add sensitive American technology above that. (given their own capability to produce highly competent radars + the Viggen ToT story)

So it would be great if someone could clear this out...:)

ozumn
09-03-2008, 12:01 PM
I'm not worried.

Bengan
09-03-2008, 01:26 PM
One could hope that SAAB would have learned it's lesson from the Viggen project, which used a more or less complete American engine, for example. (And which indeed got denied export to India in the 1970's).

By pure logic, SAAB would do everything to keep this from happening again.

But in the case of the Gripen engine RM12 as I have understood it, the original GE F404 is much modified and the sensitive parts are *****ped and replaced with SAAB's own designs.
You got those two reversed. Volvo Aero did the complete military adaptation on the JT8D, while the F404 already is a military engine that only got an FOD-treatment and a slightly higher pressure ratio/combustion temperature. The RM8 was unique, no similar engine was available from other countries - the RM12 is in roughly the same size/thrust class as both the EJ200 and the M88. It should also be noted that the JT8D export was denied not because of sensitive components but because it was to be used in a military product.


And the Gripen radar is not American made. It's developed by Ericsson and Marconi (BAE) and like the Eurofighter's radar, it's based on the BAE "Blue Vixen" radar. I can't see why they would add sensitive American technology above that. (given their own capability to produce highly competent radars + the Viggen ToT story)

So it would be great if someone could clear this out...:)
The radar is Swedish, yes - but makes use of parts made in the US such as the antenna assembly(which by the way is from the same company that produced the antenna for the Blue Vixen)

/Bengt

Atle
09-03-2008, 01:48 PM
You got those two reversed. Volvo Aero did the complete military adaptation on the JT8D, while the F404 already is a military engine that only got an FOD-treatment and a slightly higher pressure ratio/combustion temperature. The RM8 was unique, no similar engine was available from other countries - the RM12 is in roughly the same size/thrust class as both the EJ200 and the M88. It should also be noted that the JT8D export was denied not because of sensitive components but because it was to be used in a military product.



Saab was denied technology transfer on the FADEC for F404 but Volvo Aero has developed its own FADEC, specially made for single engine use. I don't know if it will be adapted for the F414, but if so the most sensitive technology of a modern turbofan engine should be possible to transfer.

But we don't know what kind of agreements Saab and Sweden has with the different manufacturers and governements on the rights for technology transfer. For what I know it might be the same contractual agreements and governement rules for the GE engine wether it is mounted in a Boeing aircraft or one from Saab.

signatory
09-03-2008, 05:10 PM
^ No need to invent a problem that so far does not exist. The Swedish-US agreements is significantly different today than those just 10 years ago.
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DTI got some info about the use of Vidsel and RNAF/SwAF training.

http://i38.*******.com/o7k0wmdotjpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/911/sonic5ym0.thdotjpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sonic5ym0dotjpg)

Read DTI September 2008 (http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/aw/dti0908/)

Romania

Saab/GI talked about the possible 3+ billion euro investments they will make to Romania if they buy 48 new Gripen jets for 'less than 3 billion euro'. Such as investments into aerospace, bio-energy, IT, education, etc...

link (romanian) (http://www.wall-street.ro/articol/Companii/47624/SAAB-este-dispus-sa-ofere-un-offset-mai-mare-de-100-daca-va-castiga-contractul-de-avione-multirol.html)

BAF
09-03-2008, 05:42 PM
I hope belgium buys this plane to replace the F-16's , it would be a good fighter for our little country.

cmc
09-04-2008, 02:32 AM
I hope Romania will get the Gripen, but there are rumors that the f16 has been alreadey picked a few years ago (political decision all the way). Hopefully it's just rumors especially as the prime minister does not want to buy any second-hand planes. There is also the possibility Romania will buy only 24 fighters. I guess we'll know for sure in the next 2-3 weeks.

Herman the II
09-04-2008, 02:50 PM
Plunging stocks are a global trend, but 20%...? :|




Saab Cuts Earnings Outlook, Causing Stock to Plunge

Saab AB, builder of the Gripen jet fighter, had a record drop in Stockholm trading after cutting its earnings outlook in response to order delays and a slowdown in Swedish defense spending.

(...)


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aQa.y4r7bEg8&refer=europe

signatory
09-04-2008, 03:56 PM
It's alot but in the context of recent hype this year from market leading analysts (goldman sachs etc) when the share jumped so fast it's no surprise those in it for the short run decided to jump ship now... boeing and airbus delays hit saab too.

edit: The CEO said they have not lost any orders.


Delays in ongoing major commercial aircraft projects have led to a revised, lower production plan in Saab´s aerostructures business.


New outlook for organic sales growth: 3-4 percent growth compared to as earlier stated 5 percent

New outlook for operating margin: 8-9 percent compared to as earlier stated 10 percent

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7348/41808818kb4dotjpg

signatory
09-04-2008, 10:07 PM
Brazil F-X2

Interview with Bengt Janér, Gripen campaign leader.

In Portugese...

http://www.defesanet.com.br/fx2/gripen.htm

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HAF Annual Celebration 2008

Hungarians Gripens will do Static.

http://www.haf.gr/en/airshow2008/static.asp

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http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9803/to1oe7dotjpg

Week 40-42 seven Swedish Gripens will take part in the large British Joint Warrior 08/2 exercise.

swe link (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Blekinge-flygflottilj-F-17/Nyheter/171-Stridsflygdivision-forbereder-sig-for-Joint-Warrior/)

ozumn
09-05-2008, 08:37 AM
Nice Vids Sig :)

Mynameischarlie
09-05-2008, 12:23 PM
Is Saab also potentially eyeing for the Vietnam (People's Airforce)?

The VPAF has got nearly 200 combat jets (MiG21 & Su-22), which really have to be replaced in the next decade.

In the early 90s the VPAF attempted to acquire 2 squadrons of Mirage 2000s, but the the deal was cancelled due an US arms embargo. As far as I know the arms embargo has been lifted some years ago.

I don't think that Vietnam really wants to rely solely on Russian arms tech.

If the VPAF has got Gripens too, it would be nice to see interoperability between Royal Thai Air Force & VPAF. :hug: (Both countries know the real air threat comes from the North - PLAAF.)

THXs ahead.

Henke556
09-05-2008, 06:03 PM
Well the former east block countries have not come that far in the värdegrundsarbete..:bash::D
have seen some examples from the estonian army too, I have nothing against it:)

Nice to see that SE02 is getting some quality time in the air.. maybe time for SPK39 to make it's international debut?

signatory
09-05-2008, 06:03 PM
Is Saab also potentially eyeing for the Vietnam (People's Airforce)?

The VPAF has got nearly 200 combat jets (MiG21 & Su-22), which really have to be replaced in the next decade.

In the early 90s the VPAF attempted to acquire 2 squadrons of Mirage 2000s, but the the deal was cancelled due an US arms embargo. As far as I know the arms embargo has been lifted some years ago.

I don't think that Vietnam really wants to rely solely on Russian arms tech.

If the VPAF has got Gripens too, it would be nice to see interoperability between Royal Thai Air Force & VPAF. :hug: (Both countries know the real air threat comes from the North - PLAAF.)

THXs ahead.

Heya. The only words about Vietnam I can find is this info from 2004:


According to Bob Kemp, marketing director of Gripen International, an interest shown by Thailand in the Gripen is indicative of the shift some smaller countries are adopting towards the sourcing of their defence equipment. Other regional countries showing interest, Kemp said, included Malaysia and Vietnam.

But this summer when Saab presented a list over future prospects Vietnam was not on that list. It's probably not even feasible unless Vietnam starts a more serious democracy process or became strategically important for Sweden... :)


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Not 20.

24 foreign Defence Attachés visited F7 Skaraborg wing this week to look at the activities such as Gripen conversion training.... and of course the visit included various other tax sponsored events such as dinner at Läckö castle with their accompanying families.

....

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3384/imagevaulthandler43dd0cpi9.thdotjpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagevaulthandler43dd0cpi9dotjpg)http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3268/imagevaulthandler443d0elk6.thdotjpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagevaulthandler443d0elk6dotjpg)http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7408/gripenlackoslott47a280xb9.thdotjpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenlackoslott47a280xb9dotjpg)

link (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Skaraborgs-flygflottilj-F-7/Nyheter/Utlandska-attacheer-besokte-F-7/)

Skyman
09-06-2008, 01:00 AM
The Vietnam idea is that they want to scrap the war-time fighter aircraft and replace them by Su-27/30. Some news said that Vietnam buy 50 Su-27/30s several years ago and the delivery is on going. (around 1 sqn. of Su-27/30 currently in service with Vietnam Air Force) They said they want to make the foreign invester feels safe from any external threat. (Vietnam, along with China, Taiwan, Philippine, Malaysia and Brunai, has claim the oil-rich Spratly island in South China Sea.)

They eye aircrafts from Russia only. They are all-Russian fleet. :)

And the Malaysian too. They strict on their doctrine to buy fighter aircraft that has 2 engines because their country are separate by the sea. And in the Malaysia's MRCA2 competition they have Super Hornet and Su-30MKM in consideration. So no hope for Gripen in Malaysia. :)

signatory
09-08-2008, 05:23 AM
Baltic Air Policing 2009

VIDEO (http://stream4.visual.cz/ct/ukazky/ct24/zdomova/cr-pobalti-gripen_U_0709.wmv)
According to this report the planned Czech Air Force NATO policing of the Baltic states in 2009 has changed a bit from old news.

Now they look to do a slightly longer period of 4 months with a detachment of 4 Gripens during May, June, July and August.

link (http://www.ct24.cz/domaci/27784-gripeny-ceske-armady-budou-chranit-pobaltsky-vzdusny-prostor/)

(when will someone invent babelfish for streamed video.. ?)

Empulse
09-08-2008, 05:41 AM
More time in .NL

Dutch State Secretary of Defense Jack de Vries is letting Saab get another month to answer the questionnaire about Gripen NG. This time the date is September 30.

link (http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=27526)



Saab can give up hope and stop wasting time and money as the Dutch air force already in 2006 decided it will purchase the F-35. Unfortunately, our air force is pro-American and have, together with Lockheed, lobbied well enough to make the government purchase F-35s. It's not 100% confirmed, but the possibility is very likely. Only if they would withdraw from further participation of the JSF-project, European manufacturers might have a chance.

This all was revealed in a television show which investigated the case, broadcast yesterday.

Politically, the air force is forced to make it look like other manufacturers still have a chance, but in reality the possibility can be closed out.

signatory
09-08-2008, 05:49 AM
Saab can give up hope and stop wasting time and money as the Dutch air force already in 2006 decided it will purchase the F-35. Unfortunately, our air force is pro-American and have, together with Lockheed, lobbied well enough to make the government purchase F-35s. It's not 100% confirmed, but the possibility is very likely. Only if they would withdraw from further participation of the JSF-project, European manufacturers might have a chance.

This all was revealed in a television show which investigated the case, broadcast yesterday.

Politically, the air force is forced to make it look like other manufacturers still have a chance, but in reality the possibility can be closed out.

Yeah I heard about that TV show but I think we all knew even without that report... still I guess Saab knows what they are doing by answering the Dutch invitation p-) They are not total idiots... they already got lots of free marketing around the globe and if it's obvious the game is 'fixed' then they won't really lose a fair fight...

(It's kind of small money and time spent compared to the real campaigns around the world anyway.)

Empulse
09-08-2008, 05:58 AM
Of course we did, but it makes me angry, since we, the people, pay for this money eating project. And say yourself, why would we need this jet? Some guy in this show hit the nail on the head by saying: ''do they need this jet for fighting the Taliban air force and destroy its radar installations''?

I think the real reason that Saab doesn't ''surrender'' is similar to the motive Dassault had to stay in the race. They stayed in because if they wouldn't, it would look like they would think that the Rafale would be too inferior to compete anyway with the F-35, damaging its reputation greatly.

gvg
09-09-2008, 05:58 PM
Well, that television show has accomplished one thing.

The Defence Commission wants to visit both Saab and LM to hear about their products, according to the chairman of the commission.
Source (http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/1882819/__Kamer_op_bezoek_bij_Saab__.html) (in Dutch)

signatory
09-10-2008, 06:08 AM
Thanks gvg.

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Saab and TCS Sign Letter of Intent in India

http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/F292A038-8677-414B-BB0A-3A56343F9B60/7807/loi_157_98dotjpg

Last update: 4:44 a.m. EDT Sept. 10, 2008

STOCKHOLM, Sweden, Sep 10, 2008 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Regulatory News:
Saab (STO:SAABB) and Tata Consultancy Services Limited (TCS) have signed a letter of intent regarding establishment of an Aeronautical Design and Development Centre (ADDC) in India.

The vision for the centre is to serve the global aeronautical market. The centre will create design and development capabilities within India for both military and civil aeronautical applications. This would be a long term relationship with Saab undertaking to transfer technology and competencies in the aerospace sector. The design and development centre will address market opportunities in areas such as aero structures, aero systems, avionics and after market support. This co-operation will also allow Saab to set a footprint in India together with TCS to capture the opportunities emerging in the aerospace and defence sector.

"This co-operation is not limited to any specific product but is aimed towards building a joint capability to leverage collective strengths across the globe," says Saab CEO Ake Svensson.

"This partnership has a strong blend of Saab's technology solutions and TCS global engineering model to address the growing opportunities in the aerospace and defence sector." says Mr. S Ramadorai, Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director, TCS.

Tata Industrial Services Limited (TISL), which oversees and monitors contracts, was instrumental in forging this co-operation. Ms.Uma Pillai, Managing Director of TISL, says "the formation of ADDC is the first step in harnessing the potential of two global organizations in the aerospace and defence sector. "

Saab views India as an important, fast growing key market with a procurement plan that fits well into Saabs portfolio. Saab believes in local participation and has a business model with a built-in mindset of co-operation with local industries and transfer of technology. Saab has offered Gripen as one of the contenders in India's MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) procurement process.

About TCS Tata Consultancy Services is an IT services, business solutions and outsourcing organization that delivers real results to global businesses, ensuring a level of certainty no other firm can match. TCS offers a consulting-led, integrated portfolio of IT and IT-enabled services delivered through its unique Global Network Delivery Model, recognized as the benchmark of excellence in software development. A part of the Tata Group, India's largest industrial conglomerate, TCS has over 116,000 of the world's best trained IT consultants in 50 countries. The company generated consolidated revenues of US $5.7 billion for fiscal year ended 31 March 2008 and is listed on the National Stock Exchange and Bombay Stock Exchange in India. For more information, visit www.tcs.com.

About Tata Industrial Services Limited Tata Industrial Services Limited, a TATA enterprise, identifies competent manufacturing sources; oversees and monitors contracts; undertakes project management related to domestic and global supply needs including offset requirements for major aerospace, civil and defence suppliers.

Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defence to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customers' changing needs.
www.saabgroup.com

TATA Group Press Release (http://www.tata.com/article.aspx?artid=HTIMBMpmTr8=)

Gripen.com Press Release (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080910_TATA.htm)

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Saab´s Capital Markets Day

Two of the presentation PDF's from that day with relevance to Gripen sales.


Saab PDF 1 (http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/4E1FAB83-921C-448D-8705-8CF7B8460C08/0/Lennat_Sindahl_CMD_050908.pdf)

Saab PDF 2 (http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/11BE3BA0-68AE-4BAD-BECA-49FED3B985D1/0/Bjorn_Erman_CMD_050908.pdf)

Kemp's Opinion

Bob Kemp (senior vice president of international sales for Gripen) wrote in to the Danish paper Jyllands-Posten and talked about Gripen DK.

Link (danish) (http://jp.dk/meninger/breve/article1431313.ece)

signatory
09-12-2008, 01:03 PM
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Visits by Brazil and Croatia

F7 Skaraborg wing where the Gripen centre is also located received high level military delegations this week from the above mentioned countries. The visits naturally focused on the Gripensystem.

The FAB delegation was led by Air Force Commander Lt Brig Juniti Saito. The below pictures is of the Croatian Air Force Commander Brig General Vlado Bagarić.

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He was given a ride on a two-seater.

http://i35.*******.com/2n0khfadotjpg

Link (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Skaraborgs-flygflottilj-F-7/Nyheter/Stort-intresse-for-Gripen-/)

signatory
09-12-2008, 05:33 PM
Had some time to upload this video of Demon flight #2 from early summer. (For some reason YT butchered it. But I guess its not that exciting anyway... The aspect ratio is a bit off etc...)

Gripen DEMO a/c 39-7 Flight #2

http://www.youtube.com/v/x8zOeZ2aEGU

(No engine noise was removed in favor of sound track...)

Flown by...

http://i35.*******.com/2prh1k9dotjpg

Mikael Seidl, Saab's Chief Test Pilot.

Training: Civilian air traffic certificate. Basic training in Flygvapnet F5 Ljungbyhed 1982-1983. Active Flygvapnet as pilot until 1990. Trained at US Navy Test Pilot School 1991-1992. Test pilot at FFV Aerotech 1990-1998. Hired with Saab since 1998.

Flight time: 3 500+ hours. On Gripen: 700+ h.

Experience: F-16, F-15, F-18, A-4, F-5, T-38, T-2, Gripen, Viggen, Draken, Lansen, Saab 105, C-130, KC-10... and various civilian aircraft.

ting
09-12-2008, 06:26 PM
Labour veteran wants Swedish fighter
If the Centre-Left coalition buys the Joint Strike Fighter it will lose the general election next year, says 102-year old Labour grandee, Haakon
Labour Party right winger and long-time party secretary, Haakon Lie wants the Government to buy Swedish fighter planes.
PHOTO: DAN PETTER NEEGAARD

Related stories:
Swedes favour closer Nordic defense ties - 11.06.2008
Fighter jet deal may be put off - 18.04.2008
Fighter jet drama continues - 14.04.2008

Lie.
Labour Party right winger and long-time party secretary, Haakon Lie wants the Government to buy Swedish fighter planes.
PHOTO: DAN PETTER NEEGAARD

Related stories:
Swedes favour closer Nordic defense ties - 11.06.2008
Fighter jet deal may be put off - 18.04.2008
Fighter jet drama continues - 14.04.2008


He is getting involved in one of the most difficult issues which the Government has to solve during the next few months; The authorities have to decide n which plane to spend NOK 100 billion (USD 16 billion) on; the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) or the JAS Gripen.

Lie writes this in his new book, which is published to coincide with his 103rd birthday later this month.

The former Party Secretary resolutely defends JAS Gripen’s advantages over the JSF.

"The JSF's primary function is to destroy targets on the ground, but we aren't buying a plane to bomb enemy targets. For the foreseeable future the new generation of planes will be needed to maintain sovereign control over our long coastline," says Lie.

He adds that he has heard rumours that the American plane will cost twice as much as the Swedish alternative. He also thinks that buying the Swedish plane would be good for Nordic cooperation.

"When we buy a replacement for our worn out fighters, we have to choose the Swedish plane," he says.

The latest edition of Jane’s Defence Weekly criticises the JSF’s characteristics, claiming that it is underpowered, useless in a ground support role and that its stealth properties are overrated.

Lie's view has surprised many politicians and commentators. He belongs to the staunchly pro-NATO wing of the Labour Party, whereas many of those who want the Swedish plane are sceptical to both the USA and NATO.

Aftenposten English Web Desk
Sven Goll
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2649602.ece

Here is a version of the article in Norwegian, with more political talk:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/politikk/article2648948.ece

It`s kind off interesting that a 102 year old "grand old man" of the labour party weighs in on this:lol:

gripen_39
09-12-2008, 07:57 PM
Ting

hehe thanks. "funny", but the posts from the general public, were .............

I've to ask you, are the average norwegian so ignorant he believe NATO/USA will turn their back on you in case you choose Gripen? i see the same replies all over again in every singel debate about this subject the level of ignorance are sky high, not mention the knowledege about the platforms in question.

SORRY for the OFF-topic Signatory :(

jontew
09-13-2008, 03:48 AM
Beautiful video there Signatory!

ting
09-13-2008, 06:54 AM
Ting

hehe thanks. "funny", but the posts from the general public, were .............

I've to ask you, are the average norwegian so ignorant he believe NATO/USA will turn their back on you in case you choose Gripen? i see the same replies all over again in every singel debate about this subject the level of ignorance are sky high, not mention the knowledege about the platforms in question.

SORRY for the OFF-topic Signatory :(

I think the average Norwegian thinks the last argument he/she read is the correct one. Then there is a lot of fan boy arguments were omg Stealth and 5th generation is the basis for their views.:lol: I think the person`s who were arguing that NATO/USA would turn their back on Norway if we choose the Gripen, just ran out of good arguments. Personally I just think the f-35 is ugly and base my views on thatp-)

gripen_39
09-13-2008, 08:17 PM
Ting.

indeed.

You should join the Norwegian debate about the subject. like loke2 and i have.. a lot of fun and frustration.

but i will not go more OFF topic, Signatory will probably "do an air strike" over me if i continue. :)

Aryan_Singh
09-14-2008, 12:09 PM
Gripen will most likely be the winner of MRCA

JRT
09-14-2008, 12:18 PM
I wonder how many planes they are going to get with the 100 billion NOK, it is a hefty sum after all.

signatory
09-14-2008, 01:34 PM
I wonder how many planes they are going to get with the 100 billion NOK, it is a hefty sum after all.

It's just non-industry journalism at work again...

Maybe if they count 40 years of in-service, new weapons, upgrades, the jets, simulators, training etc... then maybe you'll get up to 100 Bn NOK.

Norway will probably buy either 24, 36 or (the most likely) 48 jets... for something far less than 50 Bn NOK.

JohanGrön
09-16-2008, 04:23 PM
Saab can give up hope and stop wasting time and money as the Dutch air force already in 2006 decided it will purchase the F-35. Unfortunately, our air force is pro-American and have, together with Lockheed, lobbied well enough to make the government purchase F-35s. It's not 100% confirmed, but the possibility is very likely. Only if they would withdraw from further participation of the JSF-project, European manufacturers might have a chance.

This all was revealed in a television show which investigated the case, broadcast yesterday.

Politically, the air force is forced to make it look like other manufacturers still have a chance, but in reality the possibility can be closed out.

Here's the broadcast with english subtitles (http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=8021431) and here's the press article in english (http://www.reporter.kro.nl/uitzendingen/_2008/0907-JSF/english.aspx).

http://www.reporter.kro.nl/

signatory
09-17-2008, 11:07 AM
South African Defence Minister hands over Gripens to Air Force

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Video of SA01 and SA02 flying together.

http://www.youtube.com/v/K1Cfh1RSoYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Cfh1RSoYw



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2008-09-17 - In a spectacular ceremony at AAD, Africa’s premier aerospace show, South African Gripen fighters are welcomed into the South African Air Force.

2008-09-17 | Today, on the first day of the biennial Africa Aerospace and Defence show, being staged at AFB Ysterplaat in Cape Town, South Africa, history was made when Defence Minister Mosiuoa Lekota officially handed over the first of the country’s fleet of new generation Gripen fighters to Lt. Gen. Carlo Gagiano, Chief of the South African Air Force.

The occasion was marked in style with a fly past of four of South Africa’s fleet of twenty-six Gripen fighters, with the spectacular backdrop of Cape Town’s famous Table Mountain providing some memorable photo opportunities.

Following the fly past, the four aircraft landed at Ysterplaat and taxied to a position in front of Defence Minister Lekota, Lt. Gen. Carlo Gagiano and other VIP guests from the Government, Air Force and industry and the media. The pilots, including South Africa pilots Musa Mbhokota and Charl Coetzee, then de-planed and joined in the ceremony which saw Gen. Gagiano officially accept the first Gripen fighter from Minister Lekota.

South Africa has ordered twenty-six Gripen fighters of the latest C/D standard, 9 two-seaters and 17 single seaters. Deliveries commenced this year, with four aircraft already in-country, and the remainder scheduled to be delivered progressively until 2012.

For some spectacular new photos of Gripen SA01 and SA02 flying together for the first time, taken by renowned aviation photographer Frans Dely, please go to the Gripen Image Base/New Images section. Also, and to mark this historic occasion, the Saab/Gripen team in association with the South Africa Air Force and Frans Dely, has produced some stunning new video footage of SA01 and SA02, which can be viewed by clicking on the link shown in the ‘related Info’ panel.

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Article, Hires and additional photos on www.gripen.com (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080917_AAD.htm)

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Christo Crous, Warrant Officer 2, SAAF
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Christo Crous, Warrant Officer 2, SAAF

Muts
09-17-2008, 07:02 PM
Is it only me who thinks D is the most neat looking version? Especially with those bomb mounts on... *Homer drewl noise*

Bolovo
09-17-2008, 09:05 PM
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Visits by Brazil and Croatia

F7 Skaraborg wing where the Gripen centre is also located received high level military delegations this week from the above mentioned countries. The visits naturally focused on the Gripensystem.

The FAB delegation was led by Air Force Commander Lt Brig Juniti Saito. The below pictures is of the Croatian Air Force Commander Brig General Vlado Bagarić.
Signatory, no photos of Brig Juniti Saito?

signatory
09-18-2008, 09:38 AM
Signatory, no photos of Brig Juniti Saito?

No... at least not yet.

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SAAF Four-Ship

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By the end of this year the SAAF will most likely have six Gripens.

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Story (http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/709/gripen-delivered-to-the-)

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History

Just a reminder that around this time 15 years ago the last Saab Drakens were withdrawn from the Danish Air force. The last official flight was on 21 December 1993.

Denmark had selected as the only NATO country Saab Draken jets despite Sweden neither being a NATO or EU country at the time.

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A-109 cn 35-1019 August 24, 1993 (c) Joop de Groot

Denmark was the first Draken export customer and initially bought a improved version of the Swedish J 35F with longer range and heavier attack capability. They came back and bought additional jets that had to be 'hand built' as Saab was already producing the Saab Viggen at the time.

Denmark still fly some Saab aircraft, namely the MFI-17 Supporter. Danish Aerotech, a company in the Gripen DK Team is responsible for the complete maintenance on that plane.

( See how I tied the knots to make the post relevant :) )

Rapier55
09-22-2008, 12:50 PM
SAM SOLE AND STEFAANS BRüMMER - Sep 21 2008 06:00

Amid demands for a judicial inquiry into the arms deal, the Mail & Guardian has learned that a new front has opened up in the international investigation of the South African transaction.

Christer van der Kwast, director of the Anti-Corruption Unit of the Swedish Prosecution Authority, told the M&G he opened an investigation into the sale of Saab Gripen fighters to South Africa "about three months ago".

Van der Kwast said the United Kingdom's Serious Fraud Office (SFO) was conducting the main investigation. The SFO is investigating allegations that UK-based defence giant BAE-Systems paid bribes to secure the South African contract.

The UK firm owns a 20,5% share of Sweden's Saab, which builds the Gripen. BAE led the drive to sell Gripens, as well as its own Hawk jet-trainers, to South Africa.

Media investigations have put BAE at the centre of an elaborate web of international corporate and legal fronts used to pay commissions to covert agents in arms deals, including the South African deal. The SFO has been investigating allegations that some of the commission payments amounted to bribes.

The M&G has previously reported allegations that late defence minister Joe Modise's special adviser, Fana Hlongwane, received huge payments from BAE. This emerged from a 2007 SFO request to South Africa for legal assistance, which the M&G has seen.

It stated: "Documents disclosed by BAE have revealed that Hlongwane entered into a general consultancy agreement with BAE in 2002 on a retainer of Ł1-million [R14-million] per annum. In 2005 there was an agreement to pay $8-million [R55-million] as a settlement figure to Hlongwane in relation to work done on the Gripen project." Hlongwane has not explained why he should have been rewarded by BAE.

Van der Kwast said the SFO probe had reached the stage where he had to conduct interviews and inquiries to see what Saab executives knew of BAE's activities. "I have taken actions," he said, though he declined to say whether documents had been seized or executives interviewed. But he told Swedish television: "The work is very difficult, since [this is] big money. The possible beneficiaries are senior representatives of the government or sit in other high posts. They wish, of course, no transparency."

Some South African officials indeed appear to be pursuing a "no transparency" approach. The M&G has established that justice department director general Menzi Simelane and prosecutions boss Mokotedi Mpshe met the SFO about a month ago.

A source privy to a report on the meeting said Simelane in effect attempted to discourage the SFO from continuing its South African probe.

While the SFO investigation into BAE's Saudi contracts was shut down by the UK government after the Saudis threatened to end intelligence co-operation, the SFO emphasised that other probes would continue.

But it appears that Simelane believed the entire SFO investigation had stopped. At a press conference on August 6 he was asked about allegations of foot-dragging in response to attempts by the SFO to obtain local assistance. He responded: "As you may know publicly, the Serious Fraud Office terminated the investigation … on that basis is there [still] a request for mutual legal assistance?"

The M&G understands that at the meeting with the SFO Simelane took the same approach. He declined to answer questions this week, referring queries to Mpshe. Mpshe had not responded at the time of going to press. SFO spokesperson David Jones said only that "the investigation into the BAE contract with South Africa is continuing".
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-09-21-swedes-join-arms-probe
Politics?

gripen_39
09-22-2008, 05:13 PM
Rapier, yes i blieve so. not the first time someone accuse them for fraud.

but i do hope they can separete SAAB and BAE here.

and thanks god BEA aint part of the sales/marketing anymore.

signatory
09-23-2008, 01:39 AM
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SAAF Gripen on static display at AAD 08...

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Since the Swedish defence is rather important to the Gripen system I just wanted to inform foreign readers that the defence budget for 2009 (released yesterday) show no surprises.

The already ongoing projects continue and all SwAF divisions will be operative. Export support business also see no cuts. Overall the budget for base operations is increased a bit and so is the money towards international operations.

List of major on-going projects for 2009. Those relevant to Gripen marked out...

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Other:

The Czech Gripens will be coming in for the regular 3 year system upgrade to take them to the latest operative version.

The Swiss Defence minister Samuel Schmid will meet his Swedish counter part in Stockholm on 3/10-08.

Skyman
09-23-2008, 04:40 AM
The Czech Gripens will be coming in for the regular 3 year system upgrade to take them to the latest operative version.



I used to ask the Gripen team in Defense & Security 2007 in Bangkok about software upgrade. They said we just sent CD to you and you can install it. Is it true? If so why the Czechs need to send their aircraft to Sweden? :)

signatory
09-23-2008, 05:36 AM
I used to ask the Gripen team in Defense & Security 2007 in Bangkok about software upgrade. They said we just sent CD to you and you can install it. Is it true? If so why the Czechs need to send their aircraft to Sweden? :)

Yeah it's true and software upgrades from CD happen all the time if the customer need it which can update things like radar modes, LDP support and ammo types but sometimes you need actual hardware... new IFF transponders from Thales is kind of hard to put on a CD for example :)

So the SwAF plan in 3-year steps alongside the long term planning... the CzAF also have jets without NATO pylons which I am sure will be changed some day. It's a short distance for them (~1000 km) so it's easy to just go to Saab... and it's Swedish jets anyway...

OldRecon
09-23-2008, 08:42 AM
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2649602.ece

Here is a version of the article in Norwegian, with more political talk:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/politikk/article2648948.ece

It`s kind off interesting that a 102 year old "grand old man" of the labour party weighs in on this:lol:

Particularly interesting, taken into account that this guy once was instrumental behind the scene in getting Norway into NATO (and during the cold war a stalwarth supporter of the US and Israel within the Labour party).

Skyman
09-23-2008, 01:14 PM
Yeah it's true and software upgrades from CD happen all the time if the customer need it which can update things like radar modes, LDP support and ammo types but sometimes you need actual hardware... new IFF transponders from Thales is kind of hard to put on a CD for example :)

So the SwAF plan in 3-year steps alongside the long term planning... the CzAF also have jets without NATO pylons which I am sure will be changed some day. It's a short distance for them (~1000 km) so it's easy to just go to Saab... and it's Swedish jets anyway...

Oh I see. It's a new IFF for Czech. rofl rofl rofl

Another question .... When Saab gonna releses its new VDO 'ambush'? .... and .... some suggestion. GI should upload some more photos from demo rollout and demo first flight. I think today's photos is too little. Thank :)

signatory
09-24-2008, 05:07 AM
@Skyman, Looks like they chose not to release everything to the public... at least not yet... do you need more from the demo roll-out ? What do you want ? :) If you go here (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/VideoBank/Video_for_Media.htm) and search for "d" you can get higher resolution videos of flight one and two...

Meanhwile look at the CzAF Gripen display at NATO days...

Nice Flares at

~2:00, 4:30, 7:20, 8:30

http://www.youtube.com/v/oKmcvuJf4Ps
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From: EAGLE1326

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International...

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Andras Beke, Petr Michenka, Randi Kjer Nielsen, Fia Rosén

Hungarian and Czech Gripen students, a Danish Fighter Controller student and a Swedish C/FC.

Currently two HUAF pilots and four CzAF pilots train to fly Gripen in the first joint course on Gripen training. Before this class, 21 Czech students has passed the course and 15 Hungarians.

Hungarian Fighter Controllers have also done courses at F 7 and now most recently two Danish students received training there. They just finished the course and by all accounts it was a positive experience, in particular because there's more fighter jets in the air in Sweden as opposed to Denmark but also because the pilots and fighter controllers work in the same building - the Gripen centre. The Danish Air Force described it as a 'success' and noted the irony in doing this type of training in a non-NATO country... Randi Kjer Nielsen (photo) even wanted to take the Swedish air defense system StriC with her home to Denmark.

Danish link (http://forsvaret.dk/FTK/Nyt%20og%20Presse/Pages/FighterControllereuddannetiSverigeensucces.aspx)

Muts
09-24-2008, 12:46 PM
Meanhwile look at the CzAF Gripen display at NATO days...

Nice Flares at

~2:00
~4:30

Also some flares att ~7:20 and ~8.30. The later one is really awesome.

Skyman
09-26-2008, 01:05 AM
@Skyman, Looks like they chose not to release everything to the public... at least not yet... do you need more from the demo roll-out ? What do you want ? :) If you go here (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/VideoBank/Video_for_Media.htm) and search for "d" you can get higher resolution videos of flight one and two...



Oh no. I do not urgently need something right now. Just wondering. Thank.:)

longlivetaiwan
09-27-2008, 06:26 AM
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jontew
09-27-2008, 07:08 AM
Nice pictures!

For swedish readers: A very good and detailed article about Reaktionsmotor 12 (RM12) http://www.idg.se/17.108/2.1085/1.174315

hapazard
09-27-2008, 08:36 AM
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Great read!!!

Always nice to get to use some knowledge from ones mechanics and electronics courses:)

I really didn't know that they had redesigned so many components from the original F404, only 50% left. I guess it deserves the Volvo RM 12 designation...

jontew
09-27-2008, 11:28 AM
Yeah! I didn't know that either, quite amazing actually!

signatory
09-30-2008, 06:55 PM
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Empire Test Pilots´School Gripen fast jet students complete their 2008 flying training campaign in Linköping, Sept 2008

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Saab investment in Croatia

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"Sweden's Saab corporation, the manufacturer of combat aircraft Gripen, is opening a representative office in Zagreb soon, and has already signed agreements to offset with eight prominent Croatian companies", reveals Ulf Rudebark, director of Gripen campaign for the job in Croatia worth 700 million euros.

Article (http://www.presscut.hr/web%20Sharing%20ZON%5C09-2008%5C29-09-2008/Business.hr-dnevna/Presscut_8343347.pdf)(in croat)

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Fraud investigators raid BAE agent's Austria home

British investigations into BAE, Britain's biggest arms company, appear to have revived today after it was disclosed that a key BAE agent has been raided.

Investigators from the Serious Fraud Office arranged for the agent, Count Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly, to be raided in Austria.

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/30/bae)

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Saab has requested non-financial export support for the Gripen India Campaign from the Swedish Defence Agency FMV.

No reasons given, but we know practical aircraft evaluations and Aero India '09 is soon upon us...

link (http://sesam.se/boomerang/category=results;pos=1/http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=33686&a=1261926)

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Romania rejects Czech bid in sale of aircraft maker

Saab's new partner Aero Vodochody couldn't conclude a deal before a deadline and now the state owned aircraft firm Avioane Craiova SA is to be put up for sale again.

Saab has previously said they will only take over Avioane Craiova SA if Romania also buy Gripen fighters.

News (http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2008/09/29/afx5482812.html)

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...Situational Awareness special...

A financial crisis ? Saab owner is prepared.

The Swedish Wallenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallenberg)foundations control through direct/indirect ownership over 51% of the votes in Saab AB. The majority ownership is held through the firm Investor AB (http://www.investorab.com/en/default.htm).

Recently they spoke (http://www.e24.se/branscher/bankfinans/artikel_721133.e24)to the media. To sum up, some 2 years ago Investor AB saw a future financial crisis and decided to build up a large cash reserve and a smaller portion of acquired loan gurantees for future investments. That available investment capital is now close to 7 billion USD, money they hope can be spent as good opportunities arise. Having this cash means Investor can directy buy a larger portion of shares without the usual share-swapping and loans often seen in take over attempts.

Another firm in the Investor group is the bank SEB (http://www.sebgroup.com/pow/wcp/sebgroup.asp)(clients today: 5,4 million of which 400,000 companies) who last year contributed 80% of the 1,2 Billion NOK investment SAAB made into the Norwegian industry holding company Aker Holding AS (majority owner in Aker Solutions ASA.).

That move illustrates how investments relevant to Saab can not only be drawn from Investor but also selected companies in the network. This could be programs such as providing attractive loans to countries looking to buy Gripen jets while other international banks is unwilling. Other companies in the Investor group such as Ericsson, SKF and Electrolux support Saab with offset deals.

SEB also own about 3% of SAAB. SEB like the other Swedish banks is in a strong position running not just a profitable business (like the strong Swedish state finances sporting a budget surplus at 25 Bn USD) but also with significant reserves to handle unforseen credit losses. They too is looking to expand by take-over tactics, mainly in Germany and 'eastern Europe'. SEB's CEO Annika Falkengren is ranked the 7:th most (http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0809/gallery.women_intl.fortune/7.html)powerful business woman by FORTUNE Magazine. SEB was founded 1856 by A.O Wallenberg (grand father of Raoul Wallenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg)).

Investor itself was created in 1916 as SEB moved its equity holdings. The Wallenberg investments into the arms industry began 1896 as their bank SEB provided bank credits in a move by the original owners to re-aquire the Bofors (http://www.bofors.se/)company from the estate of industrialist Alfred Nobel. (http://nobelprize.org/alfred_nobel/)

A century later in 1999, Bofors was eventually split up and the business unit Saab Bofors Dynamics was established under Saab. Today the unit support the Gripen program with projects such as METEOR BVR missile developments and integration.

I.E., money talks.

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China's President Hu Jintao (R), talks to Peter Wallenberg (L), head of the Wallenberg family, 10 June 2007. at Haga Slott, a palace just north of Stockholm where the presidential couple stayed during their three-day official visit to Sweden

signatory
10-01-2008, 10:57 AM
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Gripen on another short list

The Brazilian Air force has slimmed down the F-X2 candidates to three jets after evaluating the six RFI proposals and the Gripen made the cut. Rejected: Sukhoi SU-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and LM F-16BR.

The field is now narrowed down to Boeing's Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale and our darling the JAS Gripen Next Generation. (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/FCB6D4D6-8D7E-4824-B674-4B42B761A7F9/0/GripenNewsDemo_080414_final.pdf)

On stake is a initial sale of 36 jets with options totalling a order of up to 120 aircraft. Technology transfer is a very important factor for any deal.

Link (http://www.estadao.com.br/nacional/not_nac251435,0.htm)

OFFICIAL STATEMENT BY FAB (http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/capa/index.php?mostra=1526)

Finally a English link. (And apparently they didn't select the Gripen... they went with the evil twin "Grippen"... )


Brazil Air Force Announces Shortlist For FX2 Fighter Project

Wednesday October 1st, 2008 / 19h20

SAO PAULO -(Dow Jones)- The Brazilian Air Force on Wednesday announced a shortlist of three candidates for the FX2 project to renew its fighter fleet, it said in a statement.
The finalists are the Boeing's (BA) F-18 E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Aviation's (12172.FR) Rafale-C and Saab's (SAAB-B.SK) Grippen NG.
They are competing for an initial order of 36 planes, which will come into service in 2014.

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Gripen fighters – Up where they belong

Colonel Petr Mikulenka is the Base Commander for Cáslav Air Base in the Czech Republic that today operates Gripen multi-role fighters which have replaced its fleet of MiG-21 interceptors. From 1998 he was responsible for the introduction of the Gripen system into the Czech Air Force and also the Czech Air Force programme to join NATO.

Colonel Mikulenka was also one of the first Gripen instructor pilots in the Czech Air Force. From a force Commander and pilots’ perspective, Colonel Mikulenka knows all about what is required for fighter aircraft operations on the front line.

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Czech Gripen fighter soars over St.Stephane airfield in Switzerland. Photographer: Peter Liander

2008-10-01 | As the 2005 calendar flipped over from 30 June to 1 July, the Czech Air Force shifted into a new era in one fluid motion. Over the course of one duty day the Czechs stood down their veteran MiG-21 interceptor force and brought their brand new Gripen multi-role fighters directly into service. Backed by a fully trained pilot and engineer corps, the Czech Gripens were immediately declared to the NATO air defence system and stood ready on 24-hour quick reaction alert (QRA).

The Czechs began full-scale flight operations with their Gripens on 1 May, about two weeks after the first aircraft were delivered. A cycle of QRA training sorties was initiated that saw the Gripens chalk up around 300 sorties for QRA preparation and qualification alone, over four months. In the middle of that process the aircraft went ‘live’ and never once was a planned sortie abandoned because of an aircraft problem.

Validation came on 1 July 2005 when, effectively one year after contract signature, armed Gripens stood on alert at Casláv Air Base in the Czech Republic. To date, the Czech Air Force has flown approximately 4800 hours in 5100 missions and more than 50% of these hours and missions are with the Gripen C (single seater) from the QRA.

“I will be honest with you”, says Colonel Mikulenka, “we looked at this transition plan and wondered – is it possible? But we believed. Moving to the Gripen is not just about the aircraft, it’s a whole new system. Everything changes - our rules, our whole approach - but in the end, it was just another normal working day. We finished with the MiG-21’s and minutes later we were working with the Gripens. There was no buffer zone. Yes, it took a lot of preparation, but we did it for real. No cheating. We are fully integrated into NATO.”

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Col.Petr Mikulenka. Base Commander, Casláv Air Base, Czech Republic.
Photographer: Peter Liander

The ongoing training requirement, the QRA mission and the regular sustainment flying schedule makes Casláv a very busy place. For the QRA mission, we maintain two jets on 24-hour alert, with pilots, plus a spare aircraft. To keep the QRA guys up to speed we fly a programme of practice scrambles, or ‘Tango scrambles’ – four sorties, morning and evening. We share the QRA mission in our region with the Luftwaffe at Neuburg (flying F-4F Phantoms of Jager Gestwader 74). When they are on alert we do our Tango scrambles and when we are on alert they do their training flying.”

A detailed set of training objectives are worked into each Tango scramble. The Gripens will rehearse their intercept procedures with other Czech Air force aircraft before breaking-off for other tasks. This could include navigation training, low-level flying or formation work. There will always be air combat manoeuvring: either 1 versus 1 or 2 versus 1 scenarios between the Gripens.

“We are doing a lot of dog fighting” says Mikulenka. “The Gripen has changed Czech Air Force operations in ways that are not always obvious, but which have a sizeable effect on Air Force capabilities”, says Mikulenka. “We are flying non-stop during the winter. The Gripen is perfect for winter ops. In the air with the MiG-21 we had a 1,000 ft standard minima in bad weather. In a Gripen it’s 200 ft – the leap in technology makes a difference at every level”.

If anyone asks for proof that Gripen has been a successful fighter for the Czech Republic its enough to mention the amount of hours we are flying. Our pilots in the Gripen squadron get about 160 flight hours per year. Since Gripen was introduced in the summer of 2005 we have flown more than 5, 500 missions. That is big numbers for us, and I think, for most air forces. This accomplishment gets even bigger considering the fact that the first year we only had 8 pilots, the second year it increased to 14 pilots and now we are about 20 Gripen pilots in the Czech Air Force.

The first half year after the introduction of Gripen those 8 pilots, and I was lucky to be one of them, flew almost 1, 000 missions. We could have flown more but we were just too tired. We flew 7 days a week, in operations and at air shows. There was such a big interest, everybody wanted to see us. Looking at the time line, one year after the contract was signed with the Swedish Government we were flying the aircraft in the Czech Republic; that is unbelievable.

We became the first to use Gripen C/D fighters in NATO Quick Reaction Alert in July 2005. Day and night, every day of the year we are on 15 minutes standby with 2 aircraft. On average, we do 3 scrambles per weekday and 2 per day on weekends, most of them for training. With the ILS system Gripen has, we can fly in almost any weather day and night. Another kind of NATO mission that is the first time for us is that in 2009, we will be in the rotation to perform QRA over the Baltic States, at the same time as we also have the QRA over Czech territory. We don´t foresee any problems because with 14 Gripen aircraft, we can be at two places at the same time and accomplish this mission.

Another ‘first’ for the Czech Air Force was when we took part in the ‘North Arrow’ exercise at the Vidsel range in the north of Sweden. That was the first time in Czech history that we launched ‘live’ Sidewinder IR-missiles. We launched the Sidewinders both from the wing-tip and from one of the underwing pylons, with 100 % success. I have launched a lot of Russian weapons before but this was a milestone for me personally. A bit special for the Czech Air Force was that we used the two-seater Gripen D for the live firing. Since both front and rear seats are similar in Gripen, this gave two pilots instead of one the chance to get the experience of firing live missiles, and that saves money.

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Col. Mikulenka touches down at St.Stephane Airfield in Switzerland. Photographer: Peter Liander

The Czech Air Force is looking more and more to international co-operation. Of course we have a good co-operation with the Swedish Air Force, but we also have squadron exchanges with Belgium with their F-16 and Germany with Tornado. Now we are looking at doing exchanges with German Eurofighters and we have also had exchanges with the Slovak Air Forces. Our Gripen aircraft have taken part in exercises with the German Luftwaffe and the UK‘s Royal Air Force. From as early as 2005, we started to take Gripen to different air shows and we now have our own Czech Gripen display pilot.

All this with only one squadron of 14 Gripen C/D. But one has to remember, Gripen is not just an aircraft, it’s a system. We are saving a lot of money by using Gripen simulators as evaluation and training tools. The support system is excellent, 2005 was the first time in my career I did not have to worry about spare parts. I spent 17 years with the MiG 21 so it was the love of my life, but Gripen, it’s a whole new dimension.

We are very proud and happy that our government chose the Gripen. We are looking forward to having our whole squadron out there, working with our Alliance partners. We have done a lot of exchange flying and training operations in the past, with our L-159s and our MiGs. But when we go and do it with our Gripens, we are astonishing.”

Link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/081001_Gripen_Fighters.htm)

gvg
10-01-2008, 02:59 PM
According to jsfnieuws.nl Saab has now answered all questions in the Dutch RFI and also 100 new questions the Dutch MoD asked on September 12.

Source (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/?p=243) (in Dutch only)

Caprice
10-01-2008, 04:38 PM
A little piece of pylon news:

Denel Saab Aerostructures (Pty) Ltd (popularly referred to as DSA), a subsidiary of Denel (Pty) Ltd, outlined the extent of its Gripen fighter contracts with Saab at AAD2008. Saab of Sweden has a minority holding in DSA.

The first contract awarded in 2000 to DSA as part of the Gripen industrial participation contracts was for the design, industrialisation and certification of NATO standard pylons for the jet fighter. This was followed shortly afterwards with a production contract.

DSA’s current order book on this work stands at a total of 300 pylons, of which 220 were delivered. DSA will be contracted to make an additional 80 modified pylons, which brings the total to 380. Modification kits will also be manufactured under a separate order.

Saab and DSA forecast an additional requirement of pylons up to 2013, which implies further work for DSA on the Gripen programme.

Besides the pylon work, DSA has long-standing contracts to manufacture Main Landing Gear Units (MLGU) - essentially the centre fuselage airframe section – as well as rear fuselage sections for Gripens destined for the Swedish Air Force and all export versions.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?prod=98159&session=dae.41892722.1222889474.JLaT0H8AAAEAADRwyREAAAAO&modele=release

Modification(kits) for new functionality/weapon?

Skyman
10-01-2008, 10:40 PM
Another step for the Gripen team in Brazil. Good job. ^ ^

signatory
10-02-2008, 01:16 PM
News just keep coming...

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Chief of Defence of Romania visit F 7 and the Gripen Centre

On Tuesday the Romanian chief was introduced to SAF wing F 7 activities such as Gripen training, simulators, fighter controllers and saw a Gripen aerial display.

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Admiral Ph.D. Gheorghe Marin and Swedish Supreme Commander General Hĺkan Syrén

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F7 Display pilot Henric Holm chat with the VIPs

link (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Skaraborgs-flygflottilj-F-7/Nyheter/2-x-OB-besokte-F-7/)

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Commenting yesterday's news.


Saab´s Gripen one alternative as future fighter for Brazil
[2008-10-02 9:00]

The Gripen NG (Next Generation) multi-role fighter is on the short list as one alternative to equip the Brazilian Air Force.

"Our answer to the Request for Information (RFI) that we handed in to the Brazilian Air Force in August includes a fighter that perfectly fits their needs, as well as full support regarding spare parts, logistics and training", explains Bengt Janér, marketing director for Brazil, Gripen International.

Saab´s response also confirms the willingness to include Brazilian industry, share know how, and transfer the most modern technology existing today. The Gripen NG offer from Saab is supported by the Swedish Government.

"We are pleased to be included by the Brazilian Air Force in the ongoing selection process and are ready to submit at very attractive proposal", says Lennart Sindahl, Executive Vice President, Saab.

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=173291)


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Spotter photo (c) Tony Osbourne 2008-10-02

Today the Swedish expeditionary wing with 7 x Gripens has arrived at RAF Fairford for scheduled exercises under Joint Warrier 08-2.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/crowales/rafcms/mediafiles/286275DA_1143_EC82_2E5A7E88768B524Fdotgif



UK and Allied forces Tri-service Training for Operations

Under the umbrella of Exercise JW, Exercise CROWN CONDOR (CC) will be executed at RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire in order to achieve expeditionary Deployed Operational Training for RAF personnel. This will involve in the region of 1000 RAF personnel deploying to the disused side of the airfield in order to set up and operate an Air Deployed Operating Base (DOB) from a simulated austere location. Once operational, the DOB will accommodate a squadron of Tornado GR4s from 12 Sqn, RAF Lossiemouth and a squadron of Gripen aircraft from 171 Sqn, Swedish Air Force plus associated support personnel drawn from support units throughout the RAF. This is a particularly important exercise for the Tornado GR4 deployment as this will also act as a full mission rehearsal for their forthcoming deployment to Afghanistan in support of Op HERRICK. Exercise CC enables an Expeditionary Air Wing (EAW) to test and adjust its war-fighting procedures in order to be fully prepared for any short notice contingency operations that they may be called upon to support.

Link to RAF (http://www.raf.mod.uk/crowales/exerciseops/exjointwarrior2008.cfm)

Herman the II
10-05-2008, 06:13 AM
Fraud investigators raid BAE agent's Austria home

British investigations into BAE, Britain's biggest arms company, appear to have revived today after it was disclosed that a key BAE agent has been raided.

Investigators from the Serious Fraud Office arranged for the agent, Count Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly, to be raided in Austria.

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/30/bae)


The Austrians are at it again:
After turning the EADS/Eurofighter deal inside out without finding anything they now seem to target BAE and the Gripen.
Count Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly is charged with bribery in favour of Gripen in Hungary and the Czech Republic. The new investigations are triggered by new information's from Sweden and Hungary. The press is already convinced that he is guilty and the charge is now officially risen.
The Austrian press is jumping up and down, this will get ugly again.
Highly annoying....





Ermittlungen in Gripen-Affäre
Ende vergangenen Jahres wurde bekannt, dass bei der Staatsanwaltschaft in Wien ein Ermittlungsverfahren gegen Mensdorff-Pouilly im Zusammenhang mit der Gripen-Affäre anhängig ist. Dabei handelt es sich um den Ankauf von 14 Saab-Kampfflugzeugen durch Tschechien und Ungarn.


Die Ermittlungen wurden vor allem aufgrund von Informationen aus Schweden, aber auch aus Tschechien und Ungarn über das Vorliegen möglicher Straftatbestände eingeleitet. Mensdorff-Pouilly wies alle Vorwürfe mehrmals als "haltlose Anschuldigungen" zurück.


http://www.orf.at/080513-24986/?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.orf.at%2F080513-24986%2F24989txt_story.html

phlerp
10-06-2008, 07:46 AM
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article2694196.ece

zeven
10-06-2008, 08:54 AM
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article2694196.ece

Can't see what this link have to do with Gripen news?

phlerp
10-06-2008, 09:21 AM
Can't see what this link have to do with Gripen news?

It has a lot to do with Gripen as it affects the chances of Norway buying Gripen. And that is also one thing that is discussed in the article.

zeven
10-06-2008, 09:29 AM
It has a lot to do with Gripen as it affects the chances of Norway buying Gripen. And that is also one thing that is discussed in the article.

Trust me it does not increase Gripen chanses to win in Norway. it is just bad journalism from the newspaper in question, it even stated, Gripen won over F-35 in Brasil.

the overall price Norway have to pay for F-35 is unkown, not even LM can give a "fixed" price yet..

Abbadon the Despoiler
10-06-2008, 09:37 AM
signatory - oh snap! thanks for posting!

signatory
10-06-2008, 01:03 PM
Yeah there's just too many factors in the price equations to talk about those things without making broad and often silly generalisations. Tabloid press is probably the worst source.... The Gripen package is likely today the most easy to establish a cost factor for over the first 25 years (*) of operation but then what? There can't be a good answer yet. Maybe it will cost more than the JSF after those 25 years so either way the Norwegian gov is faced with risk calculations.

And currencies, in the period April 28 to today, the Norwegian Krona has dropped 0% against the Swedish Krona. Same period, the NOK has dropped a whole 20% against the USD. They look at things like that as well.

(* I say 25 years because based on the preliminary offer Saab made to Denmark, and it's supposed to be similar to the Norwegian one, the customer will more or less only pay for the fuel those first 25 years on top of the package deal.)

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SAF Gripens flying out of RAF Fairford during JW08-2/CC. (c) lozza

Mythbusting and Marketing in Denmark

Saab sent out a mail to 86 Danish decision makers to bust some myths about their Next Generation offer.

The text is available on Andreas Krogs blog and is written in Danish.

link to text (http://www.andreaskrog.dk/2008/10/nye-jagerfly-gripen-skyder-myter-ned)


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Formal charges were filed on Monday against a 48-year-old engineer who has been held since July on suspicions of industrial espionage against Saab Microwave Systems in Gothenburg.

According to the engineer, a person with the code name Defence Harry had forced him into the blackmail scheme.

link (http://www.thelocal.se/14786/20081006/)

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signatory
10-06-2008, 10:48 PM
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Gripen 39C (c) Martin Hronský

The white dot up on the fin is as you know the Rear Antenna Unit for the EWS-39.

The Swedish Defence Agency FMV has made available a new overview on the ISTAR (Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition, and Reconnaissance) capability now and planned for the Gripen.

Here's some of that info.

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But that's still not enough... so...

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zeven
10-07-2008, 08:42 AM
Will Gripen NG have something simular to EOTS and EO-DAS with 360 degrees FOW ?? or will gripen have other sensors to counter those capabilities for supreme situation awarenss?? why i ask, is because "situation awareness" have almoust been a trademark for SAAB more or less.

signatory
10-07-2008, 08:40 PM
Will Gripen NG have something simular to EOTS and EO-DAS with 360 degrees FOW ?? or will gripen have other sensors to counter those capabilities for supreme situation awarenss?? why i ask, is because "situation awareness" have almoust been a trademark for SAAB more or less.

LITENING Pod + a IRST system will do what EOTS is planned to do and then some. The EOTS has a rather limited field of view. EO DAS is as in the words of JSF chief test pilot Beesely (http://www.f-16.net/news_article1591.html)"basically missile launch detectors" but will also provide a synthetic IR view of the world. Most likely very nice for night flying.

Gripen will add 360 degree MWS/LWS to the EWS-39 for missile launch and other threat detection. So with that clear, that leaves the 360 synthetic IR image of the DAS, and well with IRST/LDP/HMD the visual IR coverage should generally speaking be good in forward/up/down/side aspects but blind to the rear. And afaik there's no plan to do something about it.

Maybe it's a good idea to add something there but I am not sure about its usefulness on Gripen (not saying its otherwise not useful) as the EWS-39 would give threat detection at a likely greater range and not as subject to bursts of light or other heat interruptions. The tech is maybe 10+ years away from being operational so we'll see... (Hint. There's a discussion thread somewhere here on mp.net if people wanna chat about the tech...) :)

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Tornado in front of a very wet Swedish camp (c) Tiger_26

RAF Media and Communication

7 October 2008

EXERCISE CROWN CONDOR

RAF TORNADO GR4 aircraft will join Gripen fighters from the Swedish Air Force for the air component of the largest military exercise in Europe next month.

Exercise Crown Condor takes place at RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire from 6 – 16 October and aims to train around 1,000 RAF personnel to conduct military operations overseas.

RAF personnel drawn from across the UK will set up a Deployed Operating Base on a disused side of the airfield to accommodate Tornado GR4s from 12 Squadron, RAF Lossiemouth and Saab Gripen aircraft from 171 Squadron, Swedish Air Force.

This is a particularly important exercise for the Tornado squadron as it will act as a full mission rehearsal for its forthcoming deployment to Afghanistan in support of Operation Herrick.

Exercise Crown Condor is the air component of Exercise Joint Warrior, a UK-wide, two week, tri-service exercise conducted in the spring and autumn of each year which is assessed as the largest exercise in Europe.

Exercise Crown Condor enables an Expeditionary Air Wing (EAW) to test and adjust its war-fighting procedures in order to be fully prepared for any short notice contingency operations that it may be called upon to support.

It’s also an opportunity for RAF personnel to exchange ideas and gain experience operating with another nation and to foster strong relations with Sweden, a member of the Partnership for Peace programme with NATO.

This year 140 EAW from RAF Lossiemouth will take part prior to its 12 month standby commitment for reactionary operations, which starts on 1 January 2009.
Link (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/8839771E-2973-4E40-B69F-E48F3098C431/0/CrownCondor.doc) (.doc)

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Gripen in British weather (c) Tiger_26

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(c) Tiger_26

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BTW, there has been increased activity from LM in Norway after some bad (quality) press and they now show selected people their own charts favourably comparing the JSF vs Gripen. There's just one problem. They don't compare it with the Gripen NG.

- We have no data on Gripen NG, admits senior manager Keith Tucker at LM.

link (http://www.tu.no/industri/article183125.ece)

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OK.

zeven
10-08-2008, 01:17 AM
Thanks Signatory.
Nice to always have one that can give fair answers, ppl in general seems to talk more with their heart, when it comes to platforms.

And Gripen really is a platform ppl love to see as inferior to others.

however. You should make some kind of summering to enlight the general public about this platform.

Gripen deserves more credit.

Dr Freud
10-08-2008, 03:52 AM
(Hint. There's a discussion thread somewhere here on mp.net if people wanna chat about the tech...) :-) I could'nt find unfortunately, but would like to read about it, can you give me the link ?

smalandian
10-08-2008, 03:56 AM
Here, Doctor :)

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=136897&highlight=gripen

signatory
10-08-2008, 04:38 AM
Might as well post this while we're on a roll...



DATE:07/10/08
SOURCE:Flight International

NATO exercises test Gripen credentials
By Craig Hoyle

Sweden has yet to use one of its Saab JAS39 Gripen fighters in anger, but the nation's air force continues to gather valuable experience from training alongside a variety of NATO types, and proving the domestic design's potential as an expeditionary asset.

Although Sweden deploys some personnel to support the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, its membership of the alliance's Partnership for Peace mechanism means that it has so far not deployed combat aircraft to the country.

Unable to gain combat experience against the Taliban, the Swedish air force has instead embarked on international training deployments over the past few years, including with Lockheed Martin F-16-equipped neighbour Norway, and two major exercises in the USA.

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Most recently, the service sent seven Gripens to take part in Red Flag manoeuvres at Nellis AFB, Nevada from mid-July. Drawn from the F21 Wing's 212th Fighter Squadron at Lulea airbase, the detachment comprised five single-seat Cs and two two-seat D-model combat aircraft.

Ninety-three air force personnel took part, including several from F17 Wing. The work built on a mid-2006 detachment of seven Gripens to a Cope Thunder exercise in Alaska.

The latest detachment used the same equipment and personnel which had been held at 10-day readiness for the first six months of this year as part of the Nordic Battle Group, formed to support European Union-mandated military action, but not required.

LIVE AMMUNITION

Equipped with Rafael Litening targeting/reconnaissance pods, the Gripens flew alongside fighters from Brazil and Turkey, plus NATO-operated Boeing E-3 Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft. Swedish aircraft deployed two live and four inert GBU-12 laser-guided bombs and 900 cannon rounds during the manoeuvres.

The Gripen fleet flew 95% of its planned sorties during the Red Flag Nellis exercise, says detachment head Lt Col Lars Helmrich. "The Swedish air force has a proven, expeditionary capability," he says.

Swedish air force Gripens will next be in overseas action this month, with several aircraft from F17's 171 Sqn to take part in exercise Joint Warrior in the UK. Due to conclude on 16 October, the programme will involve Panavia Tornado GR4 strike aircraft from the Royal Air Force's 12 Sqn, plus fixed-wing assets from several other NATO nations.

Saab has delivered 147 Gripens to the Swedish air force, according to Flight's MiliCAS database, including 30 Cs and eight Ds. The government is also providing financial support to assist in developing a next-generation model dubbed the Gripen NG, which is already drawing interest from potential export customers.

LINK (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/10/07/316841/nato-exercises-test-gripen-credentials.html)


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Flight Global: Saab Plays to its Strength (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/10/07/316888/saab-plays-to-its-strength.html)
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signatory
10-08-2008, 07:50 AM
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The evaluation from the Red Flag exercise (read more in the post above) is now complete but of course it's not for all eyes to see so there's not much to say for now.

The SAF however wrote a few pointers on mil.se, quick translation:


Participation in the Red Flag air exercise confirm that the Air Force is well prepared for international operations.


All objectives were fulfilled.


The contingent has together with other participating units planned and executed realistic missions under worst-case scenarios that could happen during peace enforcement operations.


The exercise was successful from many aspects. Deployment to USA, a well performed exercise and a return to Sweden, all within the planned schedule and frameworks.


Confidence in the use of Swedish air combat forces on international operations is seen as upgraded.


The [Red Flag] exercise management held a convincing perception of the Swedish participation.


The extreme hot temperatures during the exercise has been informative and something to build upon.

Finally Mark Smith of USAF 414th Combat Training Squadron noted:

- We will use you as an example for how you performed during exercise Red Flag.

link (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Norrbottens-flygflottilj-F-21/Nyheter/Flygvapnet-redo-for-internationella-insatser/)

If you want to read some of the news (with pics and video) that was posted here during RF click here (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3390047&highlight=nellis#post3390047)and go forward.

Atle
10-08-2008, 02:28 PM
Maybe it's a good idea to add something there but I am not sure about its usefulness on Gripen (not saying its otherwise not useful) as the EWS-39 would give threat detection at a likely greater range and not as subject to bursts of light or other heat interruptions. The tech is maybe 10+ years away from being operational so we'll see... (Hint. There's a discussion thread somewhere here on mp.net if people wanna chat about the tech...) :)



The problem seems to be that some people don't want to take a debate if not being moderators on the forum so they can ban those who oppose. But just as well, silly as they are.

signatory
10-09-2008, 07:31 AM
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Two SAF Gripens land at RAF Fairford after another CC sortie (c) Tiger_26


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9.10.2008 AERO SIGNS CONTRACT WITH SAAB ON GRIPEN PYLON PRODUCTION

Saab has placed an order with AERO Vodochody for the production of NATO pylons for the Gripen aircraft system. Transfer of production will commence at the Aero facilities at Vodochody in the Czech Republic in autumn this year.

Saab has also recently signed a joint working agreement with Aero establishing a mutual cooperation concerning marketing and sales of the L-159 Combat and Training System. The agreement was also to identify manufacturing work packages (MWP) between Saab and Aero.


"We highly value the continuation of cooperation with Saab, recently confirmed within our military program by support of the L-159 Programme and today joining the Gripen project. Our aim is to gradually strengthen our position on the aerostructures market, reaching interesting orders, both in military and civil aviation technology. We are extremely pleased to receive this order from Saab, extending our portfolio of customers within our aerostructures program," says Igor Hulak, President of Aero.

”Aero Vodochody is an important partner for our Gripen offset programme in the Czech Republic. This order for production of NATO pylons demonstrates the close collaboration we have with Aero Vodochody. We are very pleased with our cooperation”, says Gripen Program Director for the Czech Republic, Bengt Littke.

Link (http://www.aero.cz/main.php?pageid=136&news_home_id=719&PHPSESSID=cd908d204cb5d4387ea157fbf9efe415)

signatory
10-11-2008, 04:41 AM
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JAS 39C at RAF Fairford during Crown Condor (c) Dunk

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6th 39C/D division in operation

When the Swedish F 21 Wing 1st division recently began to fly the C version it was also the 6th division in the world using the latest version of the jet. F 21 located in the far north of Sweden now fly 39C on both its divisions. South Africa just began flying a small number at Makhado AFB, there's also flying C/D divisions at Čáslav (CzAF), Kecskémet HuAF) and Blekinge (SAF).

Link (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Norrbottens-flygflottilj-F-21/Nyheter/F-21-forst-i-varlden/)

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Presentation in Greece

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SAAF SA02 (c) gripen.com

Director of sales Bob Kemp has been to Greece to talk about Gripen.
He underlined transfer of technology and industrial investments.

Link to defencenets article (http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5504&Itemid=49)

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JW08-2/CC

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Gripens at RAF Fairford during Crown Condor (c) T.O

RAF Tornados and Swedish Gripens has been flying plenty of sorties and got about one more week to go until their war is over.

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Saab in Norway

Saab continue to sign up possible partners for business contacts that may or may not involve a offset deal in case Norway go for Gripen. About 150 agreements has been signed.

link (http://www.bt.no/innenriks/article643055.ece)

signatory
10-13-2008, 01:57 PM
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A quartet of Gripens from the Swedish Air Force arrive back at Fairford during Exercise Crown Condor (c) lee1990hathaway



Swedish Air Force performs expeditionary exercise in the UK
By Tim Ripley
13 October 2008

Seven Swedish Air Force (SwAF) Saab JAS 39 Gripen combat aircraft and 100 support personnel deployed to RAF Fairford in southwest England during September and October to practise working from an austere airbase ahead of a possible operational deployment to Afghanistan or Chad next year.

Although the Swedish government and parliament have yet to give the formal go-ahead for the first deployment of SwAF combat aircraft to a war zone since the 1960s UN mission in the Congo, the service is at an advanced stage in its contingency planning.

SwAF personnel from 171 Squadron told Jane's that the last six months of 2009 had been identified as a 'deployment window' and training was under way to prepare the unit for any operational mission.

The squadron's commanding officer, Lieutenant Colonel Anders Segerby, said his unit was at 90 days' readiness to deploy should any orders be given by his government. Earlier this year, the squadron was attached to the Swedish-led Nordic-EU battlegroup, which was at high readiness for possible rapid deployment to crisis zones.

Col Segerby said the participation in Exercise 'Crown Condor' in the UK alongside RAF personnel from the 140 Expeditionary Air Wing and the Panavia Tornado GR.4 equipped 12 (Bomber) Squadron was an important part of the build-up of his unit's expeditionary skills.

"We are learning a lot here, what we do at a deployed operating base is new," he said.

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Janes (http://www.janes.com/news/defence/air/jdw/jdw081013_2_n.shtml)

Note: Sweden hold the EU Presidency Chairmanship in the last 6 months of 2009. So talk of a 'deployment window' during that same time is no coincidence if you know a little bit about Swedish EU policy...

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Bulgaria Gears Up



13 October 2008, Monday

The Commander-in-Chief of the Bulgarian Air Force General Simeon Simeonov is quoted as saying that the political leadership of the country had given green light to the long awaited purchase of new multipurpose military aircraft for the armed forces.

Bulgaria will select new fighters among Gripen, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter, F-16, and F-18. The tender for the delivery of the new fight planes is expected to be initiated by the end of 2008 and the beginning of 2009.

Link (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=97845)

Note: Saab provided information on the supply of 16 x JAS 39 back in 2006.

Read old article (http://www.sofiaecho.com/article/bulgaria-receives-multi-role-offer-from-gripen/id_17353/catid_23)

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Norwegian Support

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Johan Lehander, Managing Director GI.

The County Mayor of Finnmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnmark)in far Northern Norway apparently support a Gripen purchase as he feel Saab would benefit his county more than the other competitor based on the number of industry deals on offer. He also said Saab was the only company to pay them a visit so far.

Saab was there for a presentation and also announced they had contracted Datakortet (http://www.datakortet.no/)a Finnmark company for MS Office education to Saab Norwegian personell. The contract could grow further if Norway go for Gripen.

Link (http://www.finnmarken.no/lokale_nyheter/article3848587.ece)
Link (http://www.finnmarken.no/lokale_nyheter/article3848452.ece)

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AAD 2008 show Report (http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/710/aad-2008-airshow-report)

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SA to benefit from a Brazilian Gripen buy

Written by defenceWeb editor Leon Engelbrecht
Monday, 13 October 2008

Gripen International says the Brazilian Air Force has short-listed the Saab Gripen NG (New Generation) for its future fighter requirement.

The news comes as the heads of government of Brazil, SA and India prepare to meet in Delhi on Wednesday for the third summit of the India, Brazil and South Africa Dialogue Forum (IBSA). The second summit, in Pretoria a year ago, was followed by naval manoeuvres involving the Navies of all three partners off the Cape in May.

Of the three, SA already operates the Gripen D advanced lightweight fighter aircraft. SA and Brazil are also collaborating developing the Denel A-Darter advanced air-to-air missile for their respective air forces under a R1 billion programme (Project Assegaai).

SA was the first export client of the Swedish “Generation 4.5” fighter. It has since been acquired by the Czech Republic, Hungary and Thailand.

Saab executive vice president Dan-Ĺke Enstedt in September pegged the Brazilian requirement at 36. Other countries he listed as interested in the Gripen included Bulgaria (16), Croatia (12), Denmark (48), India (126), Norway (48), Romania (48), Switzerland (30) and The Netherlands (85).

“We are pleased to be included by the Brazilian Air Force in the ongoing selection process and are ready to submit at very attractive proposal”, adds Lennart Sindahl, another executive vice president at Saab.

Gripen International marketing director for Brazil Bengt Janér says Saab’s response also confirms “the willingness to include Brazilian industry, share know how, and transfer the most modern technology existing today.” The Gripen NG offer from Saab is supported by the Swedish Government.

“Our answer to the Request for Information (RFI) that we handed in to the Brazilian Air Force in August includes a fighter that perfectly fits their needs, as well as full support regarding spare parts, logistics and training”, he adds.

SA benefit?

Several SA companies, notably Denel Saab Aerostructures as well as Carl Zeiss Optronics are involved in the Gripen programme, and may benefit should any order Brazilian order for the Gripen materialise.

Denel Saab Aerostructures manufacture Gripen centre and rear fuselage sub-assemblies and stores pylons.

Carl Zeiss Optronics designed, developed and now produce and integrate the Gripen helmet tracking system.

SA in 1999 ordered 24 BAE Systems Mk120 Hawk and 28 Saab JAS39 C & D Gripen (later reduced to 26) fighters for $2.2 billion. As a result the two companies are obliged to make or facilitate investments or “offsets” worth $8.7 billion into the local economy.

The offsets obligations must be complete by 2012. Last month BAE Systems executive VP for SA John Williamson said the companies were “well ahead of schedule” with “new economic activity” running at $5.3 billion.

But it is by no means certain Brazil will choose the Gripen NG, which is still under development. Igor Gielow, defence correspondent at Folha, a leading Brazilian daily, says The Gripen NG is up against the US Boeing F/A18 E/F Super Hornet and the French Dassault Rafale.
“The bid is tailor-made for the French to win, since the Ministry of Defence has already chosen France as its ‘strategic partner’,” Gielow adds, further saying that Brazil has also chosen the French Scorpéne submarine in a related deal and have signed a bilateral agreement to develop a nuclear submarine – a long-standing Brazilian ambition.

“Technology transfer is the main issue here,” he says. He predicts the F/A18 will be cut from the list because the US is reluctant to share technology and does not provide offsets. The Gripen may have a chance, he adds, as “it’s the cheapest option,” but as the engine is a licence-made US product, he fears it may fail to make the cut as well.

“But you have to put one thing in perspective, which is the current economic crisis. It’s almost a certainty that the military budget will be one of the first to receive a cut in case things get worse – and they will.”
link (http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=473&Itemid=350)


IBSA (http://www.ibsa-trilateral.org//index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=2&Itemid=13)

IBSA is a trilateral, developmental initiative between India, Brazil and South Africa to promote South-South cooperation and exchange.

Areas of Cooperation

Defence
The WG on Defense is exploring possible areas of cooperation amongst the three countries.

Science & Technology
Science & Technology was one of the key areas identified for tri-lateral cooperation in the Brasilia Declaration.


Dated 15/5/2007
'Janes Defense Weekly' reports that India is likely to join in the air-to-air missile (AAM) development agreement between Brazil and South Africa. The issue of co-operation in research-and-development (R&D) had been discussed during recent high-level Brazilian military delegation visits to India. Brazil and South Africa had announced their AAM co-operation efforts in 2005.

link (http://www.india-defence.com/reports/3194)


India, Brazil, S Africa conduct joint naval exercise

Dated 6/5/2008

India, Brazil and South Africa have started a 10-day long joint naval exercise here aimed at tackling terrorism at sea. The exercise called IBSAMAR, which started on Monday along the Cape Town will continue till May 15.
link (http://www.india-defence.com/reports-3828)

signatory
10-16-2008, 03:43 AM
Norwegian Industry Backs Gripen

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In a new and final report, the influential Norwegian Defence and Security Industries Association (FSi (http://www.fsi.no/fsi_english/about_fsi/)), the largest industrial trade union LO (http://www.lo.no/language/English/?tabid=894)and also NITO (http://www.nito.no/English/)- The Norwegian Society of Engineers and Technologists with over 1 million combined members has together gone out clearly backing the JAS Gripen when it comes to the industrial side of a deal.

- Gripen is clearly the best option from a industrial point of view, says Torbjřrn Svensgĺrd, President of FSi.

- There's greater research and development possibilities with the Gripen than the JSF.

Selecting JSF will have negative effects on the development of Norwegian industry.

- It's our firm belief that Gripen will create more jobs and over larger parts of the country than the JSF.

The report has identified industrial deals worth 30 Billion NOK on a JSF deal and 50 Billion NOK with the Gripen.

In addition to being significantly smaller the JSF contracts is also less secure as they are based on "best value" competition and on optimistic prospects of 4500-5000 produced jets over its entire lifespan.

The report is in part based on information allocated from 50 involved firms.

Article (http://www.dagsavisen.no/innenriks/article374946.ece)(in Norwegian)

Google Translated to English (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dagsavisen.no%2Finnenriks%2Farticle374946.ece&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&sl=no&tl=en)

English News Link (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/237350,norwegian-defence-industry-to-favour-swedish-jet-fighters.html)

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The Report is available here. (http://www.fsi.no/fsi/aktuelle_saker/nye_kampfly/fly/)

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Note: The Norwegian Government plan to down-select one candidate on the 19th of December this year. Then the issue will go into parliament during 2009.

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Nordic Artillery Exercise - with Gripen support

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Geir Idar Hĺkstad, of the Norwegian Setermoen Artillery batallion call in a Gripen airstrike during NAX this week.

link (http://www.kuriren.nu/nyheter/artikel.aspx?articleid=4252669)
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Dr Freud
10-18-2008, 09:14 AM
I know this is a news thread, but this report from the influential Norwegian Defence and Security Industries Association (FSi (http://www.fsi.no/fsi_english/about_fsi/)), the largest industrial trade union LO (http://www.lo.no/language/English/?tabid=894)and also NITO (http://www.nito.no/English/)- The Norwegian Society of Engineers and Technologists with over 1 million combined members really requires a poll or something!

What is ya'all's reaction ?
Personally i think it will have a significant influence.

zeven
10-18-2008, 11:57 AM
I know this is a news thread, but this report from the influential Norwegian Defence and Security Industries Association (FSi (http://www.fsi.no/fsi_english/about_fsi/)), the largest industrial trade union LO (http://www.lo.no/language/English/?tabid=894)and also NITO (http://www.nito.no/English/)- The Norwegian Society of Engineers and Technologists with over 1 million combined members really requires a poll or something!

What is ya'all's reaction ?
Personally i think it will have a significant influence.

No doubt in my mind, of that simple reason, the Norwegian government, stated 3 major factors for this purchase, and industrial collaboration is one of them.

Norway have a population of aprx 4.5 milion citizens, so one million make up a third part of all their labour, more or less. tax wise, this have to have a tremendous impact.

zeven
10-18-2008, 12:09 PM
why not mention the other 2 things, 1, platform capability. (obvious)
2 prise (probably LCC costs)

so according to this, the Gripen platform, wins on at least 2 of 3,

and i can't see F-35 becoming so much more advanced or overall superior Gripen nG, that it will impact on the final decision.

besides, Gripen NG passed the specific demands set, by the norwegian government in the first place ..

Dr Freud
10-18-2008, 12:11 PM
Norway have a population of aprx 4.5 milion citizens, so one million make up a third part of all their labour, more or less. tax wise, this have to have a tremendous impact. Its actually a whole lot more with regards to labour.
None of these members are younger then 18 or older then 65, so some 2/3 of the population does not count in labour. That leaves less then 1.5 million labours, and of these, over a million is part of one of the organisations.
Politicians won't care about those too young to vote, but what about the rest of the bunch ?

zeven
10-18-2008, 12:18 PM
indeed, true, i was very generous, but only to avoid debate.

and AP (the labour party) have the power, so what LO says, is very very important.

and i believe Norway is of great importance, becuase if Norway choose Gripen, Denmark and Holland will probably do the same. and if that happens, anything can happend.

signatory
10-20-2008, 04:42 PM
Norwegian Campaign

Saab has done a couple of presentations in Norway today.

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In the video below we get to see Gripen Demo flying with a drop tank on the centreline station. Saab recently said on Danish military TV that the Demo had done some 15 test flights so far.

In Norway, Hans Rosén of GI talked to military people in Oslo and Lennart Sindahl of Saab talked industry deals at Sola near Stavanger.

Defence Minister Anne-Grete Strřm-Erichsen again repeated the governmental position that a decision will be made on 3 main factors: Operative Requirements, Price and Industrial Contracts.

http://www.youtube.com/v/kKFJ3XBbIak
Gripen Demo at the beginning and end of the video.

TV2 (http://www.tv2nyhetene.no/innenriks/article2316700.ece)

Aftenbladet (http://www.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/932878/7%2C2_milliarder_fra_Saab_til_Rogaland.html)

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DreamHack

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Because last time was so positive for the SwAF they will again perform a Gripen air display during Dreamhack Winter 2008. While waiting for new videos here's one from last year. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tewq55nBPK0)

DreamHack (http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw08)

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Croatia

The head of the Swedish air force visited Croatia last week.

Link1 (http://www.zadarskilist.hr/clanci/17102008/svedski-general-na-hrvatskoj-raketnoj-topovnjaci)

Link2 (http://www.ezadar.hr/clanak/svedski-general-posjetio-zadarsku-luku-i-zrakoplovnu-bazu-u-zemuniku)

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Romania-Hungary

Two weeks after visiting the Swedish Gripen Centre the Chief of the Romanian General Staff, admiral Gheorghe MARIN Ph.D visited its neighbour Hungary and Kecskemét Air base last week. He was informed on the Gripen program and tried out the PETRA simulator and planning tool.

link (http://www.mh59.hu/rovatok/hu/hirek/roman_vkf_a_bazison/)
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Foxes And Pickles

Not news but, put together this simple pic with a list of weapons cleared for use on the Gripen. Not all of them is in operative use but sometimes people confuse the weapons capability with what the SwAF use and that's actually another story. Part of this is contractual for Hungary and South Africa.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8160/gripenweapons08ng8.thdotjpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenweapons08ng8dotjpg)http://img207.imageshack.us/images/thpixdotgif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Alternative Host: Direct Link To Image. (http://i33.*******.com/2iik51tdotjpg)

Most of the sources for the weapons trials is on gripen.com (http://www.gripen.com/en/GripenFighter/GripenStory.htm) older Gripen News Magazine and trade presentations like this. (http://www.defesanet.com.br/rv/le_bourget_05/gripen_paris2005.pdf)

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madschristoffer
10-20-2008, 05:37 PM
Translation: Norwegian » English

Per 1 August was the values of the agreements with Norwegian companies come up in 180 percent of the purchase of fighter aircraft over a period of 10-15 years.

If that is the truth, then its is a pretty good deal or what?

zeven
10-20-2008, 07:20 PM
180 percent and increasing.

and its not good, its GREAT.

so gripen have 2 of 3 in their hand, price and offsets.

and the platforms meets all norwegian requirements

in a honest world, gripen would be the winner..

signatory
10-23-2008, 08:24 AM
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A JAS 39D from the Swiss trials earlier this summer.

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SAAB Opens Brazil Office

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/EC916C09-1B3C-48FA-BEAC-237FBCA63B85/7908/brazil_157x98dotjpg



23/10/2008 - 07:41

Saab opens office in Brasilia
With the visit of a group of executives from its headquarters in Sweden, Saab announced today the opening of its office in Brasilia.

"The opening of the office in Brasilia shows the commitment of Saab with the Brazilian government and strengthens its relationship with Brazilian institutions, especially the Defense Ministry, the Brazilian Air Force and the Ministry of Industry and Trade," says Bengt Janer, director general of Saab to Brazil.

Saab is prepared to offer a wide variety of products and systems for defense and civil security, sharing their knowledge and offer competitive packages, involving transfer of technology. Among these are the Gripen fighter NG (Next Generation), which was chosen as one of three candidates being considered by the Brazilian Air Force.

link (http://www.revistafator.com.br/ver_noticia.php?not=56890)

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Article (http://www.alide.com.br/joomla/index.php/component/content/article/36-noticias/162-gripen-brasilia)with more info but in Portugese.



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Offical Meeting In Brazil

Gripen International sales director Bob Kemp and Wallenberg right-hand man Erik Belfrage (Saab/SEB) today met with Mr Miguel Joao Jorge Filho, Minister for Development Industry and Foreign Trade, Brazil.

Note: Miguel Jorge also accompanied President Lula at the State visit to Sweden last year. Invited guests at the Royal dinner included several people relevant to a Gripen sale, such as the heads of Gripen International and Investor AB.

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Relations: As said, Brazil's Săo Paulo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo) region is the largest (or second largest) industrial zone for Swedish companies today with around 50,000 employees in 200 companies.

This long relationship has created some unusual coincidences such as not only did the future Swedish Queen spend most of her childhood (http://www.childhood.org/)in Săo Paulo because her father was head of a Swedish steel company... but also because SAAB-Scania, another company in Săo Paulo had this unusually politically motivated guy employed:

http://i37.*******.com/2uro51cdotjpg
Lula of SAAB-Scania, 1977.

The coincidence: Three decades later now being the President of Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva), this guy is sitting next to that Swedish Queen at a dinner party with various representatives from the industry now hoping to sell jets to his country p-)

Caprice
10-23-2008, 11:56 AM
"No extensive simulations" for Gripen in Holland.

Den Haag - Netherlands takes far too little time for the tender for a new fighter jet for the Royal Air Force. That said Magnus Olsen, project manager Netherlands of aircraft manufacturer Saab. He advocates a broader, longer choice between the JSF and Saab Gripen. Thus KRO Morning Radio Netherlands.http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsfnieuws.nl%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=en& (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsfnieuws.nl%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)
ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsfnieuws.nl%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) (Second chapter, Googletranslated)

Link to the intervju with Magnus but mostly in dutch:
http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://goedemorgennederland.kro.nl/uitzending-fragment.aspx%3Fid%3D170455&usg=ALkJrhh7g47m8PBKjGyL6YgpJl5oob1aSQ

A foundation for further debate/pressure in the dutch parliament?

C.

Herman the II
10-23-2008, 12:04 PM
A foundation for further debate/pressure in the dutch parliament?


Holland is a lost case, there wont be a fair tender and there never was one. The Royal Air Force already made its choice, I doubt that anyone of the possible contenders has enough lobby in Holland to change that fact.
Even EADS with Dassault/Eurofighter GmbH pulled out..

Caprice
10-23-2008, 12:12 PM
Yes I know and agree, but on the other hand you never know what the future will bring...a lot of "things" can happen.

C.

Ghelp
10-23-2008, 12:22 PM
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SAAB Opens Brazil Office

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/EC916C09-1B3C-48FA-BEAC-237FBCA63B85/7908/brazil_157x98dotjpg



link (http://www.revistafator.com.br/ver_noticia.php?not=56890)

Offical Meeting In Brazil

Gripen International sales director Bob Kemp and Wallenberg right-hand man Erik Belfrage (Saab/SEB) today met with Mr Miguel Joao Jorge Filho, Minister for Development Industry and Foreign Trade, Brazil.

Note: Miguel Jorge also accompanied President Lula at the State visit to Sweden last year. Invited guests at the Royal dinner included several people relevant to a Gripen sale, such as the heads of Gripen International and Investor AB.

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Relations: As said, Brazil's Săo Paulo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo) region is the largest (or second largest) industrial zone for Swedish companies today with around 50,000 employees in 200 companies.

This long relationship has created some unusual coincidences such as not only did the future Swedish Queen spend most of her childhood (http://www.childhood.org/)in Săo Paulo because her father was head of a Swedish steel company... but also because SAAB-Scania, another company in Săo Paulo had this unusually politically motivated guy employed:

http://i37.*******.com/2uro51cdotjpg
Lula of SAAB-Scania, 1977.

The coincidence: Three decades later now being the President of Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva), this guy is sitting next to that Swedish Queen at a dinner party with various representatives from the industry now hoping to sell jets to his country p-)

No way.That is awesome!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii22/westamazonmissions/Photo-Tour/800px-Lula117947dotjpg

zeven
10-23-2008, 04:52 PM
Holland is a lost case, there wont be a fair tender and there never was one. The Royal Air Force already made its choice, I doubt that anyone of the possible contenders has enough lobby in Holland to change that fact.
Even EADS with Dassault/Eurofighter GmbH pulled out..
How European countries act in this matter, makes me sick.

2495
10-23-2008, 05:29 PM
I got to watch the Gripen doing live missile tests over the north atlantic from Uist. They had a clear sunny day and it was an absolute stunner performance wise when they did some real tight turning and climbs - Our beach we were on had 8 people on it watching, and for that part of the world its a crowd!

Gripen next generation is going to be some thing else too!

signatory
10-24-2008, 08:04 PM
^^ Nice. Sounds like they are shooting off a couple of METEORs...

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VIPs In Sweden

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Interest for Gripen is by all accounts strong with new foreign visits more or less every week to the Gripen Centre, Saab Factory or to other Swedish air force activities.

Denmark is now touring the three candidates and will visit SAAB soon.

Notable visits these past few weeks include:


Croatia, military delegation, Air Chief Vlado Bagaric

Brazil, military-governmental delegation, Air Chief Juniti Saito

Bulgaria, military delegation, Air Chief Simeon Simeonov

Romania, military delegation, Supreme commander Gheorghe Marin

Greece, parliamentarian defence delegation


The Bulgarian and Croatian CAF's also got to fly Gripen.

Link Danish AF (http://forsvaret.dk/FKO/Nyt%20og%20Presse/%C3%98vrige%20nyheder/Pages/ForsvaretiUSAogSverige.aspx)

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Brazil

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A Scotsman trying to sell a Swedish fighter jet in Brazil (c) Alide

Alide and Aereo has a couple of articles to read in Portugese about the presentation.

Gripen do Brasil inaugura seu novo escritório em Brasilia (http://www.alide.com.br/joomla/index.php/component/content/article/36-noticias/162-gripen-brasilia)

RFP do F-X2 e a opiniăo da Gripen International (http://www.aereo.jor.br/?p=1461)

UPDATE: More information about Gripen NG. (http://www.alide.com.br/joomla/index.php/component/content/article/36-noticias/163-gripenbsb-pt2)

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Saab opens a new office in Brazil

http://www.gripen.com.br/images/18.11f215811610afcaae8000756/Disouza%200037dotJPG

“The Brasilia office opening shows that Saab is committed to the Brazilian government in enhancing its relationship with Brazilian institutions”

2008-10-24 | Saab is prepared to offer a wide range of defence and civil security products and systems, sharing expertise and offering competitive packages involving transfer of technologies. Among these are the Gripen NG (Next Generation) fighter aircraft which has been selected as one of the three candidates under consideration for the Brazilian air force.

http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/E71C2F45-1911-4989-9764-447CB37E2C3C/8055/bengt_janer_110dotjpg
Image: Bengt Janér, Head of the Saab office in Brasilia

“The Brasilia office opening shows that Saab is committed to the Brazilian government in enhancing its relationship with Brazilian institutions, specifically the Ministry of Defence, the Brazilian Air Force and the Ministry of Economy and Brazilian industry”, says Bengt Janér, Marketing Manager for Brazil and Head of the Saab office.
Link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/saab_opens_a_new_office_in_brasilia.htm)

Portugese (http://www.gripen.com.br/articles/5.11f215811610afcaae8000744.html)

signatory
10-27-2008, 12:30 PM
http://i36.*******.com/np3vhxdotjpg

A bit late.


NEW ORLEANS, La. - The Louisiana Air National Guard’s 159th Fighter Wing deployed to Kecskemet, Hungary for an Air Combat Training exercise June 12-29.

Lt. Col Scott Tyler, also a fighter pilot and vice commander of the 159th Fighter Wing, flew in the back seat of the JAS-39 Gripen for hands-on teaching. “My first dogfight against a MiG-29 was the greatest sortie of my life. We fought as warriors but debriefed as friends.” said Tyler.

Full Article (http://www.la.ngb.army.mil/langb_site/Stories/Wing/Fighter%20pilots%20Fly%20as%20warriors,%20debrief%20as%20friends.html)

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Further Industry Support In Norway

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3688/norwayee0dfa7hq5dotpng

Soley on the issue of business opportinuties Aage Jostein Thunem the Executive Vice President of SINTEF IKT said the SAAB Gripen offer is clearly the best option for Norway.

The SINTEF Group (http://www.sintef.no/) is the largest independent research organisation in Scandinavia. Every year, SINTEF supports the development of 2000 or so Norwegian and overseas companies via our research and development activity.

Link (http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/okonomi/article1178823.ece)

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Not too fat for a Grip.

http://i36.*******.com/2vi12fndotjpg

Sweden's Minister for Defence Sten Tolgfors took part in a CAS/Show of Force exercise from F 17 Blekinge Wing today by riding the backseat. He was also briefed on the national and international operational development.

The predecessor never got the chance...

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International Fighter 2008

On the 5-6th there's a large trade conference talking about future air defence. Saab buy lunch on the 6th and the Air force will talk about the GNG. (Maybe we'll see some news in the trade media afterwards.)

http://i33.*******.com/1otyjtdotjpg

link (http://www.asdevents.com/event.asp?ID=226)

Thor
10-27-2008, 02:08 PM
but also because SAAB-Scania, another company in Săo Paulo had this unusually politically motivated guy employed:

http://i37.*******.com/2uro51cdotjpg
Lula of SAAB-Scania, 1977.

The coincidence: Three decades later now being the President of Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva), this guy is sitting next to that Swedish Queen at a dinner party with various representatives from the industry now hoping to sell jets to his country p-)
When he visited Sweden he was also personally very grateful for the financial solidarity support his trade union received from Swedish trade unions during hardships in the 1970's. I think they were sent to prison, or just on strike, or something like that.

It seems like the leftie stuff might have been good for Gripen sales. First in South Africa, and now in Brazil?

khukuri
10-27-2008, 05:56 PM
When he visited Sweden he was also personally very grateful for the financial solidarity support his trade union received from Swedish trade unions during hardships in the 1970's. I think they were sent to prison, or just on strike, or something like that.

It seems like the leftie stuff might have been good for Gripen sales. First in South Africa, and now in Brazil?

the irony of it all... swedish unions leaving positive effects for swed def industry :D.

smalandian
10-27-2008, 07:02 PM
the irony of it all... swedish unions leaving positive effects for swed def industry :D.

Well, union are not the same thing as "Svenska freds" or "Left party"

Dr Freud
10-28-2008, 12:44 AM
I'm surprised Gripen NG will keep the moving part in the AESA, as one of the points with it is to reduce moving parts to reduce maintenance.
It would also reduce weight and allow better cooling by do away with the mechanical part.

signatory
10-28-2008, 01:57 AM
I'm surprised Gripen NG will keep the moving part in the AESA, as one of the points with it is to reduce moving parts to reduce maintenance.
It would also reduce weight and allow better cooling by do away with the mechanical part.

That's really up to the customer. There's not many moving parts anyway in that proposed installation and you don't actually have to rotate the disc all the time... and a customer might prefer to receive significantly better scan coverage than care about the other stuff.

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South African pilots start Gripen training

On 1 September, the first group of South African Air Force pilots commenced their Gripen conversion training at Air Force Base Makhado in the country’s Limpopo province.

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South African Air Force technicians ready Gripen SA 02 for flight at AFB Makhado

2008-10-28 | A vital part of the agreement between Saab and South Africa is the training of the pilots and technicians needed to fly and maintain Gripen fighters in South Africa. The first group of 6 pilots, all of whom started their training on the BAE Systems Hawk Lead-In Fighter Trainer aircraft - whose cockpits were specifically designed to replicate the Gripen cockpit to aid the conversion process - are now commencing their Gripen training.

Two Swedish instructor pilots from Saab will be based at AFB Makhado for a period of 18 months, to undertake the training and support of the South African pilots. Earlier this year, South African technicians were given a full maintenance type conversion course for the Gripen fighter, as well as training on the ground support equipment which has been delivered with the aircraft.

South Africa has ordered twenty-six Gripen fighters of the latest C/D standard, 9 two-seaters and 17 single seaters. Deliveries commenced this year, with four aircraft already in-country. These were officially handed-over as the first of the country’s fleet of new generation Gripen fighters to Lt. Gen. Carlo Gagiano, Chief of the South African Air Force on 17 September at the prestigious Africa Aerospace and Defence show held in Cape Town. The remainder of the aircraft are scheduled to be delivered progressively until 2012.

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South African Air Force pilot Capt. Musa 'Midnight' Mbhokota undertakes pre-flight checks on Gripen SA 02 at AFB Makhado.

Link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/081028_SA_Training.htm)

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News from Norway

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Norway’s Air Force Chief Nodeland..

Swedish fighter not a problem in NATO

Norway could just as well use Swedish as U.S. combat aircraft in NATO operations, the air defense chief, who said the Swedes offer a very good aircraft.

Air Force's top commander, Major General Stein Erik Narrabri, thus reject the claim that the cash purchase of Swedish fighter would create trouble for Norway in NATO.

- No, there is no problem. Both Hungary and the Czech Republic flies Swedish aircraft and they are both in NATO, "said Inspector General of the Air Force to Dagsavisen.

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The last time is Gripen, made by Saab, included as a candidate in several other countries to buy fighter. It looks air defense chief as a quality mark.

- JAS Gripen has some basic characteristics that many have sansen for. Saab has made clear improvements with the latest version (E / F, which is the Norway considers, editor.). Swedes also appears very orderly, "said Narrabri.



Full Article (http://www.dagsavisen.no/innenriks/article377231.ece)

Flashback Article: Norway’s Air Force Chief flies Gripen (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2007/070308_Nodeland_flies_Gripen.htm)

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More industrial stuff. Seminar in Trondheim yesterday and local firm Simpro flat out said " - It is extremely important that we buy aircraft from Sweden!"

Heh.

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link (http://www.avisa-st.no/arkiv/orkdal/article1179469.ece)

BMUS
10-28-2008, 07:29 AM
the irony of it all... swedish unions leaving positive effects for swed def industry :D.
Well, actually, the unions here in sweden were very supportive about producing the Gripen.

Dr Freud
10-28-2008, 08:58 AM
@signatory: You are probably the best source avaliable in this area: can you provide a diagram over SAAB's stock value over the last 6 month ? i'm gettin increasingly tempted to buy those stocks !

JohanGrön
10-28-2008, 11:42 AM
@signatory: You are probably the best source avaliable in this area: can you provide a diagram over SAAB's stock value over the last 6 month ? i'm gettin increasingly tempted to buy those stocks !

59881

Remember that SAAB B got punished by Airbus and Boeing delays earlier this year, this were before the general landslide that we are seeing now (SAAB B were previously up 25% this year).

Just to make you aware of that SAAB relies on civil aircraft orders aswell.

Dr Freud
10-28-2008, 04:13 PM
That diagram just make me even more tempted! thanks JohanGron

JohanGrön
10-28-2008, 04:45 PM
That diagram just make me even more tempted! thanks JohanGron

Yes, I agree it looks tempting p-)

phasio
10-28-2008, 05:00 PM
imho better diagram if you interested in investing p-)

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7976/chartdllqu6dotpng

signatory
10-29-2008, 06:07 AM
Yeah 787 delays is the main problem. Only a few months ago the bank/investment analysts said Saab should go up from 120 to 200.. heavy weight Goldman Sachs said 169 Kr in January, Credit Suisse said 175 a bit later and then worst of them all, guess who.. the Icelandic Kaupting Bank said 205 kr as target price for Saab. Doh. All these analysts want is to hype a stock to make a quick buck then leave.

But that's kind of boring so here's a nice photo.... :)

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Unusually good photo of forward exhaust ducts behind heat exhangers. Also, barely visible is the round GPS antenna on top...

Quick info: The Gripen use a number of heat exchangers in the air and fuel distribution. Cool air for the Environmental Control System Heat Exhangers is supplied via ram air intakes and elsewhere fuel is pumped through their own heat exchangers to cool various devices. Fuel is also cooled off when it is about to reach a specified temperature. Environmental control, equipment cooling and reduced IR signature is thus main tasks for Gripen thermal management.


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Saab and Simrad Optronics create joint venture
[2008-10-28 22:00]

Saab AB and Simrad Optronics ASA forms a joint venture under the name Vingtech Saab AS. The company is owned 51 % by Simrad Optronics and 49 % by Saab.

The plans for a joint venture was first announced in April this year, provided Norway decides to purchase Gripen. Since both Simrad Optronics and Saab anticipate stronger Nordic defence cooperation in the future, it was agreed not to wait for the aircraft purchase decision. The market potential for the projects that will be started at Vingtech Saab is estimated to reach a value above NOK 1 billion over the next five to ten years.

If Norway decides to purchase the Gripen system, Saab and Simrad Optronics have identified possible programmes for the first ten years to more than NOK 7 billion. The company will develop and market various products, mainly in the area of high tech optronics.

The company will be based in Norway.

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=174638)

signatory
10-30-2008, 03:49 PM
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RFP Sent Out

Quick notice: Brazil sent out the Request For Proposal to Saab, Dassault and Boeing today.

The RFP is to be returned no later than 2 February 2009.

link (http://www.estadao.com.br/geral/not_ger269696,0.htm)
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Two small but cool videos from Switzerland, a Gripen around famous Axalp.

Video 1 (http://s458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/Valock05/?action=view&current=MOV00503.flv)

Video 2 (http://s458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/Valock05/?action=view&current=Axalp-31072008.flv)

Thanks Xav for the link.

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Aerostar visit

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Nice moustaches.

Company reps from Romanian company Aerostar visited the Gripen factory. Aerostar would do manufacture, repair and other support for Romanian Gripens if their country would buy the jet.

link (http://www.gripen.com/ro/MediaRelations/News/2008/aerostar.htm)

jontew
10-30-2008, 06:13 PM
Great news! And damn, that first video where he dives strait down into the valley is so awesome! :)

signatory
11-01-2008, 10:20 AM
Just a post to collect the aerial refueling info.

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JAS Gripen and Mirage refueling from French C-135FR/KC-135R, Jan 2008

All JAS 39C/D carry a integrated In-Flight Refueling Probe of retractable design delivered by Cobham. It's fully hidden in the fuselage when retracted. The first 'dry' development tests was against a RAF VC-10 in 1998. The first wet connections happened against Swedish Tp-84 Hercules in 2005 with the Export Base Standard 39C. Currently the Swedish military is building up training material and conducting technical certification against different types of tankers. This gained knowledge will be distributed in 'Simplified English' throughout the Gripen User Group. For Sweden, to secure aerial refueling for possible international missions and the export support is a political and military priority.

Currently the Gripen has technical certification against French KC-135R and partial certification against KC-10 and SA-707. The plan is to receive full certification there and also add qualification on additional tankers such as the German ones.

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Three Gripens took part in the certification work down in France.

The Swedish C-130 intended to use for training has a new electrical refueling pod from Cobham and Sweden is together with Germany and Canada launch customer which means only real tests will find problems. And of course they found some. The pods didn't 100% of the time respond to a contact (the pods didn't understand someone hooked up) and thus didn't tighten up the hose which is required for fuel transfer. This new electrical pod when fully operative by a number of air forces will reduce service costs compared to the old system. The less than perfect functionality is not related to the Gripen itself.

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Against C-130, visible is the 6m fix on the hose.

Fixes to the pods and a 6 meter shorter hose has removed several problems but they will still work with the manufacturer to find a perfect solution.

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Two Gripens and T-84

During the latest C-130 trials they did however manage to produce the longest Gripen flight so far with 8 hours of continuous time in the air.

Structural Testing:

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Structural testing (c) FOI 2005

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Sources:
FOI Fatigue Report June 2005 (http://www2.foi.se/rapp/foir1646.pdf)
FMV Annual report 2007 (http://www.fmv.se/upload/370/FMV_AR2007_ENG.pdf)
FMV Protec Magazine 2008-3 (https://fmv.episerverhotell.net/upload/Bilder%20och%20dokument/Publikationer/Informationsmaterial/PROTEC/Protec_nr3_08.pdf)
Gripen News Magazine 2008-June (http://viewer.zmags.com/showmag.php?magid=88105&preview=1&_x=1#/page0/)
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... I'm going for a drink myself now. p-)

signatory
11-06-2008, 09:56 AM
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The midnight sun is no more.

SwAF combat wing F 21 writes that they expect to receive the Helmet Mounted Display (with integrated Night Vision and EO tracker) during the next year.

Article (Swedish) (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Norrbottens-flygflottilj-F-21/Nyheter/Tid-for-flygning-i-morker/)


2008-11-06
Volvo Aero and GE sign MoU on F414

Corporate Communications, Volvo Aero
Volvo Aero and General Electric have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) regarding strategic cooperation on the F414 engine. The MoU is intended for a possible sale of Gripen Next Generation Aircraft to Norway.

GE Aviation (GE), a business component of General Electric Company, and Volvo Aero Corporation have a long-term strategic relationship in connection with GE’s F414 engine. Volvo Aero is a risk and revenue sharing partner in the F414 program and manufactures a number of components for the engine.

Now, an MOU has been signed among Volvo Aero Corporation, Volvo Aero Norge AS, a majority owned subsidiary of Volvo Aero Corporation, and GE solidifying collaboration to find opportunities for Norwegian industry in fulfillment of potential offset and industrial cooperation obligations accepted by Gripen International (Gripen). Gripen markets and produces the Gripen Next Generation Aircraft powered by a derivative of the F414 engine designated the F414G.

Volvo Aero Corporation has significant presence in Sweden and Norway with many possibilities for offset proposals within technology, development, production and product support in connection with the potential procurement of the Gripen Next Generation Aircraft by the Norwegian Government.

“We hope that this MoU will result in extended cooperation with GE. We see great opportunities, especially on the manufacturing side in Norway,” says Odd Tore Kurverud, President at Volvo Aero Norge AS.

Gripen International is part of the Saab Group.

Images of the Gripen can be found in the Image Gallery under News images.

Facts on F414:
The 22,000-pound-thrust-class F414G turbofan engine utilizes the advanced technology, reliability, maintainability and operability of the combat-proven F414 engine that powers the U.S. Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. To date, more than 800 F414-GE-400 engines have been delivered and have accumulated more than 900,000 flight-hours. F414-GE-400 engines also powers Boeing’s EA-18G Growler electronic attack aircraft.

The F414 is a potential powerplant for emerging platforms such as the Korean KF-X and the Indian Medium Combat Aircraft, as well as growth versions of the KAI/LMTAS T-50, and the Indian Light Combat Aircraft. GE continues to develop advanced technology for the F414 engine, paving the way for future upgrades such as improving component capability for a significant reduction in ownership costs, and providing as much as a 20 percent increase in thrust with improved specific fuel consumption. Link (http://www.volvo.com/volvoaero/global/en-gb/newsmedia/press_releases/NewsItem.htm?ItemId=51653&sl=en-gb)




Saab and MASS to Offer Integrated EW Data Management Software

29/10/2008

Saab Avitronics (Saab) and Mass Consultants (MASS) have entered into a cooperation agreement to offer a fully integrated Electronic Warfare (EW) database and mission data generation tool.

This new tool will offer customers of Saab's EW equipment the prospect of an affordable, capable and fully independent EW data management system in one seamlessly integrated package.

The new software will enable customers to:

• hold and manipulate representations of sophisticated modern emitters, linked to platforms and weapons;
• analyse, identify and store ELINT intercepts;
• quickly identify all emitters likely to be found within a particular geographical area;
• programme EW equipment with data sets for specified missions.

The new product combines the best features of Thurbon, MASS's leading-edge EW data management system, and BOSS, Saab's suite of EW analysis and mission data generation tools. The combination will provide Saab's customers with a complete national EW database support capability.

Andy Thomis, Managing Director of MASS, said:
“We believe this is the most advanced and integrated EW database and mission data management toolset commercially available. This new offering will enable customers to have full independence from seller governments in reprogramming their EW equipment. This is a major step forward in providing Saab's customers with the ability to achieve operational sovereignty. It will enable users to get the best out of their EW equipment even if the seller's government is unable to share sensitive data”.

Micael Johansson, President of Saab Avitronics, said:
“We, at Saab Avitronics, are very pleased to be cooperating with MASS. It will enable us to offer our EW customers an advanced and very cost effective integrated tool set”.

link (http://www-sbac-co-uk.cname.strategiesuk.net/community/cms/content/preview/news_item_view.asp?i=18828&t=0)



Analysis: Why 2009 could be the year of the Gripen

06 November 2008

The next 18 months will see Brazil, Croatia, Denmark, India, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania and Switzerland make final selections for their respective fighter procurement competitions, with sales of up to 523 aircraft worth at least USD35 billion-USD40 billion at stake.

It will be a truly crucial period in shaping the future of the global fighter market.

The common link between these eight contests is the presence of the Saab Gripen in the bidding process. So far the Gripen's success in the export market has been limited, with contracts for 60 aircraft in place across the Czech Republic (14), Hungary (14), South Africa (26) and Thailand (6). Saab hopes, and Jane's Defence Forecasts believes, that the next 18 months may see this number increase significantly.

Competition is fierce to fill these eight national requirements, with the following among the Gripen's competitors in the various contests: Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet; Dassault's Rafale; the Eurofighter Typhoon; Lockheed Martin's F-16 Fighting Falcon and F-35 Lightning II; and RAC MiG's MiG-35.

Jane's believes the Gripen team has reasons for optimism, however.

First of all, in terms of the aircraft's capability, Saab is offering its enhanced Gripen NG (Next Generation) variant for the Brazilian, Danish, Dutch, Indian and Norwegian requirements, which incorporates a number of significant improvements over the baseline Gripen C/D. These enhancements include: an active electronically scanned array radar developed in conjunctionwith Thales (due to begin flight testing in 2009); General Electric F-414G engines, which provide increased thrust and maximum take-off weight; additional weapons stores; enhanced avionics and electronic warfare capabilities; and increased range.

These new capabilities are currently being developed through the Gripen Demonstrator programme, which was approved by Sweden's Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) in October 2007 and unveiled the following April. According to Saab, further enhancements will be rolled out in three-year increments, to enable continuous development of the platform over the life of the programme and removing the need for comprehensive and expensive mid-life upgrade programmes. Development and incorporation of specific customer-funded requirements is also envisaged as part of a 50-year programme plan.

While currently in the developmental stage, the Gripen NG programme would be accelerated in the event of a contract win and the aircraft would be available to enter service from 2014.

With regard to cost, the Gripen NG is viewed by Jane's as competitive in terms of both acquisition and through-life support costs when compared to its rivals. Bob Kemp, sales and marketing director for Gripen International, citing figures produced for the Dutch fighter contest, said Saab believes that the Gripen NG, as part of an 85-aircraft fleet, would cost EUR6 billion (USD7.6 billion) less than the F-35 in terms of life-cycle costs over a 30-year period.

At a unit cost of between USD50 million andUSD60 million, the Gripen also offers the lowest-cost platform in terms of acquisition expenditure. By comparison, according to Fiscal Year 2009 US Air Force (USAF) and US Navy (USN) budgetary documentation, the unit costs of the F-35 and F/A-18E/F are USD83.1 million and USD82.7 million respectively.

Unsurprisingly in such a competitive market, each of the contenders in these fighter contests has its strengths and weaknesses and much will depend on the specific circumstances, priorities and requirements of the customer nations. As such, some contests are better suited to the Gripen proposal than others, particularly in Europe.

Image: The Gripen NG programme is currently in the developmental stage (Gripen International)

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Walker-69
11-07-2008, 03:13 AM
Source: www.janes.com (http://www.janes.com)

The next 18 months will see Brazil, Croatia, Denmark, India, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania and Switzerland make final selections for their respective fighter procurement competitions, with sales of up to 523 aircraft worth at least USD35 billion-USD40 billion at stake.
It will be a truly crucial period in shaping the future of the global fighter market.

The common link between these eight contests is the presence of the Saab Gripen in the bidding process. So far the Gripen's success in the export market has been limited, with contracts for 60 aircraft in place across the Czech Republic (14), Hungary (14), South Africa (26) and Thailand (6). Saab hopes, and Jane's Defence Forecasts believes, that the next 18 months may see this number increase significantly.

Competition is fierce to fill these eight national requirements, with the following among the Gripen's competitors in the various contests: Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet; Dassault's Rafale; the Eurofighter Typhoon; Lockheed Martin's F-16 Fighting Falcon and F-35 Lightning II; and RAC MiG's MiG-35.

Jane's believes the Gripen team has reasons for optimism, however.

First of all, in terms of the aircraft's capability, Saab is offering its enhanced Gripen NG (Next Generation) variant for the Brazilian, Danish, Dutch, Indian and Norwegian requirements, which incorporates a number of significant improvements over the baseline Gripen C/D. These enhancements include: an active electronically scanned array radar developed in conjunctionwith Thales (due to begin flight testing in 2009); General Electric F-414G engines, which provide increased thrust and maximum take-off weight; additional weapons stores; enhanced avionics and electronic warfare capabilities; and increased range.

These new capabilities are currently being developed through the Gripen Demonstrator programme, which was approved by Sweden's Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) in October 2007 and unveiled the following April. According to Saab, further enhancements will be rolled out in three-year increments, to enable continuous development of the platform over the life of the programme and removing the need for comprehensive and expensive mid-life upgrade programmes. Development and incorporation of specific customer-funded requirements is also envisaged as part of a 50-year programme plan.

While currently in the developmental stage, the Gripen NG programme would be accelerated in the event of a contract win and the aircraft would be available to enter service from 2014.

With regard to cost, the Gripen NG is viewed by Jane's as competitive in terms of both acquisition and through-life support costs when compared to its rivals. Bob Kemp, sales and marketing director for Gripen International, citing figures produced for the Dutch fighter contest, said Saab believes that the Gripen NG, as part of an 85-aircraft fleet, would cost EUR6 billion (USD7.6 billion) less than the F-35 in terms of life-cycle costs over a 30-year period.

At a unit cost of between USD50 million andUSD60 million, the Gripen also offers the lowest-cost platform in terms of acquisition expenditure. By comparison, according to Fiscal Year 2009 US Air Force (USAF) and US Navy (USN) budgetary documentation, the unit costs of the F-35 and F/A-18E/F are USD83.1 million and USD82.7 million respectively.

Unsurprisingly in such a competitive market, each of the contenders in these fighter contests has its strengths and weaknesses and much will depend on the specific circumstances, priorities and requirements of the customer nations. As such, some contests are better suited to the Gripen proposal than others, particularly in Europe.


Image: The Gripen NG programme is currently in the developmental stage (Gripen International)
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signatory
11-07-2008, 11:02 AM
In the Netherlands...

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State Secretary of Defence Jack De Vries

GI's Bob Kemp is hitting out at the Dutch State Secretary for Defence Jack De Vries who last week answered the parliamentarian under house why a requirement [on manufacturers] to provide noise data on candidate jets had been removed from the new questionnaire issued in the summer 2008. The issue stemmed from media reports on JSF being twice as loud as F-15 and if the other options (F-16ADV and Gripen NG) would be any different.

De Vries said there was no point in asking about noise since Saab didn't even know what engine to use on their jet. De Vries continued to say there was also no point in looking at capability simulations on the Gripen NG. On the other hand De Vries (who before doing anything else really should find a new haircut...) did push for a quick procurement of a JSF IO test aircraft (Italy otoh just cancelled their plans) contrary to calls for a delayed procurement while the country can investigate aternative routes in more detail.

Bob Kemp indicates Gripen is about to side with Dassault and Eurofighter on the Dutch issue and withdraw.

In a comment, the Dutch MOD confirms in not as many words that the State Secretary of Defence was wrong in his comments to parliament. The defense ministry claims De Vries had no knowledge of the submitted answers.

That apparently didn't stop him from talking anyway.

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Saab's June 20th answer to the questionnaire.

Sources in Dutch:

Saab: Defensie verdraait feit (http://www.nrc.nl/economie/article2053189.ece/Saab_Defensie_verdraait_feit)

Uitgebreide reactie Defensie op klacht Saab (http://www.nrc.nl/nieuwsthema/jsf/article2053408.ece/Uitgebreide_reactie_Defensie_op_klacht_Saab)

Document - Antwoorden Saab aan Defensie over motor (.pdf) (http://www.nrc.nl/multimedia/archive/00186/20081107124627397_186191a.pdf)

http://www.youtube.com/v/symoYLO5XaQ
GE-F414 equipped Gripen Next Generation Demonstrator FF 27-05-2008.

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signatory
11-07-2008, 12:20 PM
http://www.211squadron.cz

Some preview photos of 211's Calendar... find more previews and info on the link.

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Calendar News (http://www.211squadron.cz/aktuality.html)

Those Czech girls are truly patriotic :)

Skyman
11-07-2008, 01:06 PM
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Ummmm .... they got a fighter shortage problem right? After seeing these photos I think they can hire me. rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Gripen on Static Display in Thailand

On 4 Nov 2008, Royal Thai Air Force conducted an annual weapon competition on Kon Kaen, Northeastern Thailand. As always the opening day was opened for press and public. :)

RTAF is the 6th Gripen customer so that day Gripen was on static display. Sad that Gripen didn't give us an aerial performance. :bash:

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Back to the real thing. rofl rofl rofl

Normally, RTAF uses scale model to design new painting of their aircraft. For example, If you go to RTAF museum you will see many scale models of F-16, those models were the F-16 of different painting made when they designed the Falcon color. So seeing Gripen model from RTAF can give us some clues how Thai Gripen will be looked like. p-)

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SRT is from SuRat Tani Air Base. Gripen will be put in Wing7.

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compare with the cuurent F-5E in the same sqn.

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Some more photo of this competition here (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=113949&page=42).

Caprice
11-07-2008, 07:17 PM
GI's Bob Kemp is hitting out at the Dutch State Secretary for Defence Jack De Vries who last week answered the parliamentarian under house why a requirement [on manufacturers] to provide noise data on candidate jets had been removed from the new questionnaire issued in the summer 2008. The issue stemmed from media reports on JSF being twice as loud as F-15 and if the other options (F-16ADV and Gripen NG) would be any different.

De Vries said there was no point in asking about noise since Saab didn't even know what engine to use on their jet. De Vries continued to say there was also no point in looking at capability simulations on the Gripen NG. On the other hand De Vries (who before doing anything else really should find a new haircut...) did push for a quick procurement of a JSF IO test aircraft (Italy otoh just cancelled their plans) contrary to calls for a delayed procurement while the country can investigate aternative routes in more detail.


Signatory, apparently there have been a motion submitted on the noise issue (plus 6 other also related to JSF). Voting should have happened on Nov 4th but was postponed to Nov 10th at the request of SP(second link below):

motion filed by Van Velzen (SP):
The Court, after hearing the debate, whereas in the questionnaire as in 1999 is presented to producers of the various candidates for the replacement of the F-16 explicitly stated that noise is crucial in a densely populated country like the Netherlands; Calls upon the Government, in the current candidates compared the noise level of the candidate as important criterion to take "http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsfnieuws.nl%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsfnieuws.nl%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Translated)

Doubt that it would change anything though, maybe a "Gripen" result in the next election...p-). Anyhow, this "competition" looks more and more like a farse.

Regards C.

gvg
11-11-2008, 08:08 AM
On the Dutch MoD website there is now a letter (http://www.mindef.nl/actueel/parlement/kamerbrieven/2008/11/20081111_motor_saab_next_generation.aspx) to Parliament about the engine of the Gripen NG.

In short it says that information about the engine the NG will have, had indeed been submitted by SAAB, but that the State Secretary didn't know that because he doesn't get the answers to the questionnaire, to avoid him being able to influence the selection proces [he knows the AF can handle that themselves :roll:). Saab has now been contacted to provide additional information about the noise-production of the F414G in the Gripen NG.

signatory
11-11-2008, 10:22 PM
Thanks gvg.
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http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/151/norway46e0ef93mr6dotpng

Get A Grip

http://i37.*******.com/2mowm75dotjpg

At least that's what the Norwegian Defence and Security Industries Association (FSi) again suggested at the Future Combat Aircraft seminar last week at the Polytechnic Society that was visited by some top guys.

Some points as to why:

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Torbjřrn Svensgĺrd (FSi)

Saab has found 220 partners in Norway and signed 110 MoUs while LM who was represented at the meeting by Tom Burbage is focusing on 4 partners. Defence Chief Sverre Diesen talked about the importance of modern multirole jets not only for a air defense but also for supporting the navy and army which means it's vital to come to a decision soon so the F-16s can be phased out around 2015 and not create any capability gaps.

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Hans Rosén of Gripen International.

http://i34.*******.com/6o3fa9dotjpg

Saab has a modest ambition to grab 10% of the accessable fighter market in the next 10-15 years on top of the 60 jets so far. The most recent sale was of course to Thailand in February and helped the aeronautics division to see an increase of sales with 15% for the first 9 months while LM's at the same time declined by 7%.

It has been a couple of years with small orders for the industry as a whole but now the replacement phase is about to pick up and there's probably going to be a slice of the cake for everyone...

Hope to win some. :)

Expect to lose some. :|

Source (http://www.polyteknisk.no/Referater/Mye-mer-enn-valg-av-kampfly)

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Romania.


F16 and Gripen – authorities’ choice of multi-role aircraft
published in issue 4309 page 5 at 2008-11-11

After the Defence Minister announced in a ‘Evenimenul Zilei’ interview earlier that Romania will acquire multi-role planes without a tender, but via dialogue with the five competitors, yesterday’s issue of that same daily contained the news of the Premier having okayed by secret memo two aircraft alternatives – F16, by Lockheed Martin, and the Swedish SAAB-made Gripen. According to the memorandum drafted by the Ministry of Defence late last year and approved by the Prime Minister last September, ‘the aircraft F16 C/D and JAS 39 Grippen have the best cost/performance ratio and require average acquisition prices.

Both planes are modern, fourth-generation aircraft, well equipped and armed, with the F16 having a major advantage in terms of its efficiency proven in current theatres of operations and inter-operability.’ The analysis also hints the F35 JSF, the jewel in the aviation crown, a fifth-generation jet fighter also manufactured by Lockheed Martin, is the actual target of authorities in Bucharest. What makes it even more attractive is the operating and maintenance costs being 30 per cent lower than F16’s. The only problem is F35 will only be available on the market in 2020. ‘The Defence Ministry puts forth for approval the final alternative regarding the procurement of F35 FSF 5th-generation multi-role jet fighters. Romania was notified it might be eligible for purchasing the F35 JSF aircraft in 2016, with its actual operation from 2020, according to letter 110/12.09.2007 addressed to Romania’s Prime Minister and the US ambassador in Bucharest,’ the memorandum shows.

In a reply to the memorandum issue, the Ministry of Defence spokeswoman, Andreea Dumitru, said ‘such evaluations by ministry experts are periodical.’

‘The final choice over the acquiring of the multi-role plane rests with Minister Melescanu, of the competitive dialogue wherein all the five manufacturers of such military equipment stand an equal chance,’ EVZ quoted Andreea Dumitru as saying.

In an interview published a few days ago, the Defence Minister said he showed no preference for any of the manufacturers involved. ‘I have no preference. I only want an aircraft able to make me rest assured procurement procedures are transparent and competitive, and notably, without the fear I will someday watch TV and see a pilot falling down due to technical malfunction.’
link (http://www.nineoclock.ro/index.php?page=detalii&categorie=homenews&id=20081111-10020)

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Sweden

Hagshult Base

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Field exercise 2003

Good news that Hagshult base is more active. This Tuesday two Gripens from F 17 and a rescue helicopter used the base.

Sweden has besides the more well known short tracks on roads a type of side base that functionally is kind of like a *****ped down base or permanent FOB. Even if it looks more empty than a North Korean buffet table there's more to it than meets the eye. Re-arming and hot refueling being especially useful tasks for Gripens on the base.

Located in the south between F 7 and F 17 this was the first Base 90 concept base with a main runway that can also be used for large A/C such as C-130s and another 3 slim short tracks for the Gripens. Flight activities dates back to 1936 though and is a true field base as you can see by these pics.

http://i37.*******.com/zunkvldotjpg

source (http://www.finnveden.nu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20858)

Skyman
11-12-2008, 03:24 AM
Oh anyway, I just read the official memorial book of former commander-in-cheif of Royal Thai Air Force ACM Chalit who retired now. He said RTAF will put MLU upgrade on its F-16 and buy LITENING AT pod for its MLUed F-16. Maybe they will equip the Thai Gripen with this pod also.

...... and I still wait for more information whether Thai RBS-15F will have and land attack capability or not. They said they will sign a separate contact for RBS-15F. Maybe just wait for press release.

Lastly, can anyone tell the Saab about this. When RTAF bought F-16 around 20 years ago, USAF sent their F-16 to fly in Children's Day. Saab should do the same. RTAF Children's Day Air Show is the big event in Thailand and around a hundred thousand people come to visit. It's on 2nd Saturday of January. 2008 show is good. Many people come and asked RTAF officer about its Gripen and they seem to happy with the answer but ....... no Gripen there ...... I do not expect the real Gripen to fly this year because RTAF still didn't sign the contact yet in January. But next year on 10 Jan 2009 they should at least set up some Gripen pavilion there. Sending the jet is not that important bacause it can take you much money concerning today's economic crisis but to set up some pavilion is cheap. Send Gripen and Erieye mock up via FedEx, put some officer there, distribute some brochure, play some movie, etc. ..... Saab used to do this in Thailand when they still marketing its jet so this time they should continue it. .... because I feel pity when the people ask where is Gripen and RTAF officer don't have it. :cantbeli:

signatory
11-12-2008, 06:19 AM
@Skyman, I'll PM you....

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Aero India 2009 in February, exhibit map... Saab in between Israelis and Russians :)

http://i37.*******.com/zjgc8ydotjpg

signatory
11-13-2008, 11:37 PM
Norwegian Opinion Poll

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Norstat poll conducted for the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation NRK out today showing preferences towards either jet.

Not that it matters all that much as politicians usually don't listen to commoners but perhaps still a bit surprising how low the dedicated JSF support is 'on the street' considering their long history of flying US jets.

NRK Link (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/1.6308918)

English link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/8021340)

link (http://www.budstikka.no/sec_nyheter/sec_innenriks/article210733.ece)

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ELMIA

http://i33.*******.com/1fu6tkdotjpg

At Elmia the largest Nordic subcontractor trade fair going on right now the potential sale of Gripens to Denmark is at the center of discussions.

Article in Swedish (http://www.elmia.se/sv/subcontractor/For-press/Massnyheter/Gripen-affaren-i-centrum-pa-Elmia-Subcontractor/)

Herman the II
11-14-2008, 02:16 PM
Netherlands to keep schedule on JSF test order


Dutch undersecretary of defence Jack de Vries has ruled out postponing the nation's planned first order for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, saying the step would lead to unacceptable delays in the project's initial operational test and evaluation (IOT&E) phase.

Full details of the evaluation process will be released to parliamentarians by 15 December, just over two months before the deadline for the Netherlands to order F-35s for IOT&E purposes. But as Saab was only invited to re-enter the competition in mid-2008, the Swedish manufacturer will not be able to demonstrate the capabilities of its Gripen NG system until a simulator has been prepared by March 2009.


full story:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/11/14/318856/netherlands-to-keep-schedule-on-jsf-test-order.html


Seems Jack De Vries wants the F35 despite all odds. Not really what I call a fair evaluation, time to leave the sinking ship...

Stallone
11-14-2008, 02:37 PM
That is a sad SAAB contingent, in 2007 they had a whole building for themseleves, maybe they got wind, they are not going to win this one!!

xav
11-14-2008, 02:57 PM
Was Gripen ever a serious option for Netherland?

Briggs
11-14-2008, 03:44 PM
full story:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/11/14/318856/netherlands-to-keep-schedule-on-jsf-test-order.html


Seems Jack De Vries wants the F35 despite all odds. Not really what I call a fair evaluation, time to leave the sinking ship...


To my knowledge he pleaded that parliament didn't vote on motions which would delay the acquisition of IOT&E aircraft untill a final decision to purchase the F-16 successor was made. He said that the evaluation will be completed before or by the christmas recess and that the parliamentarians will have 2 months go to through the evaluation before the decision to contract the IOT&E JSF's has to fall.

signatory
11-17-2008, 01:01 AM
Robert Wall at Aviation Week wrote a long article about Gripen (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw111708p1.xml&headline=For%20Saab,%20the%20Challenge%20Is%20Gaining%20Traction%20for%20the%20Gripen%20NG)

It's far from perfect but a couple of new maybe's is mentioned such as:

The HMD selected for F-35 might also be used on Gripen.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6696/elecjsfhmdsdaynightlg15oa6dotjpg

VSI Web: F-35 HMDS - JSF Helmet Mounted Display System (http://www.vsi-hmcs.com/pages_hmcs/03a_f35day.html)

Additional Reading: VSI demonstrates 9G-stable helmet mounted display. (http://www.rockwellcollins.com/news/page9607.html)

Another maybe is Sagems very cool AASM a stand off precision land attack weapon.
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4995/projektili10151f5160ec2dotjpg
Armament Air-Sol Modulaire

To come in different sizes the small 125Kg version would compete against the SDB and SDB-II of either Boeing or LM but the AASM is to be available in also 250 Kg, 500 Kg and 1000 Kg versions. The guidance and tail-kit of the 250Kg can for instance use standard MK82 dumb bombs as the bomb unit.

Read More on Wiki about AASM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AASM)

The text also says Version 20 of the Gripen could include L-3 Communications Rover close-air-support imagery data link.

Some additional pics that might be useful if you read the article: (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw111708p1.xml&headline=For%20Saab,%20the%20Challenge%20Is%20Gaining%20Traction%20for%20the%20Gripen%20NG)

http://i37.*******.com/34pnbs2dotjpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7948/gripenngiq9.thdotjpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenngiq9dotjpg)http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5056/aesaschedulerr5.thdotjpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aesaschedulerr5dotjpg)http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7586/mawsed2wl0.thdotjpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mawsed2wl0dotjpg)http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5010/esmjz9.thdotjpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=esmjz9dotjpg)

Sheets from Gripen Demo roll-out.

signatory
11-17-2008, 08:50 AM
After landing, a Gripen from F 17 in Sweden sunk down on its nose gear today.

The pilot had returned to base during a training mission upon a fault indication. After landing the steering didn't work so he shut down the engine and then the jet took a dive as the nose gear retracted. Pilot and jet is OK other than the obvious issue. No flights is suspended.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1179/imagevaulthandleraspx46iy7dotjpg

Ouch LDP :|

39.230 is a actually a PRI jet and receive much more flight hours than other jets to stay ahead of the rest of the fleet. Just in case things like technical bugs would occur in some parts after stacking on real flight hours.

Herman the II
11-17-2008, 09:14 AM
Ouch LDP :|


I was going to post that..
***** happens, damage should be marginal.

JohanGrön
11-17-2008, 10:38 AM
After landing, a Gripen from F 17 in Sweden sunk down on its nose gear today.

The pilot had returned to base during a training mission upon a fault indication. After landing the steering didn't work so he shut down the engine and then the jet took a dive as the nose gear retracted. Pilot and jet is OK other than the obvious issue. No flights is suspended.

Ouch LDP :|

The aircraft made a complete stop on the runway, then the nose gear retracted when the pilot cut off the engine.

xav
11-17-2008, 01:07 PM
:) Still waiting for this to happen to a Rafale and maybe a F35

signatory
11-17-2008, 01:35 PM
Another angle... the jet looks pretty much undamaged.. the pitot tube doesn't look all that great though :)

http://i34.*******.com/dzzcc1dotjpg

The same jet was at RAF Fairford during Crown Condor (http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/hangar/2008/492crowncondor/cc.htm)last month...

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(c) Dunk

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7343/gripens17ee0903mn0.thdotjpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripens17ee0903mn0dotjpg)http://img300.imageshack.us/images/thpixdotgif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Also Crown Condor, 230 and 210 (both of them PRI jets) .

signatory
11-18-2008, 10:21 AM
World famous aviation photographer Katsuhiko Tokunaga (http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2000/articles/jan_00/tokunaga/index.html) spent some time in Sweden and shot the Gripen Demo.

See below.

Netherlands

Bob Kemp and Magnus Lewis-Olsson of GI is again unhappy with the 'debate' over in the Netherlands.

Article in Dutch (http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1094940.ece/Defensie_liegt_weer_over_JSF-concurrent)

signatory
11-18-2008, 11:01 AM
Gripen NG Demonstrator with Iris-T, Meteor and GBU10

(c) Katsuhiko TOKUNAGA (c) gripen.com

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http://i34.*******.com/r292lxdotjpg

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Hires thumbs:

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http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/763/gripenngdemonstrator13wp2.thdotjpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenngdemonstrator13wp2dotjpg)http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3813/gripenngdemonstrator12zf8.thdotjpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenngdemonstrator12zf8dotjpg)http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/291/gripenngdemonstrator11gm6.thdotjpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenngdemonstrator11gm6dotjpg)http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9396/gripenngdemonstrator10bj8.thdotjpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenngdemonstrator10bj8dotjpg)http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3677/gripenngdemonstrator06fq6.thdotjpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenngdemonstrator06fq6dotjpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2113/gripenngdemonstrator09ht1.thdotjpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenngdemonstrator09ht1dotjpg)http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7140/gripenngdemonstrator05jk6.thdotjpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenngdemonstrator05jk6dotjpg)http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3277/gripenngdemonstrator03bw1.thdotjpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenngdemonstrator03bw1dotjpg)

jontew
11-18-2008, 11:40 AM
Thanks for that Sig! I just secured wallpapers for my desktop for the next coming year! :D

MoriartySE
11-18-2008, 12:38 PM
Now that's what I call art! Beautiful shots! Thanks for 'sharing'.

Mr Tokunaga was hired to shoot Gripen photos some years ago. Think they're all at gripen.com, in case you haven't found them already.

ozumn
11-18-2008, 02:56 PM
Nice Photos.

xav
11-18-2008, 04:10 PM
Nice! Kudos to Gripen NG

NSM
11-19-2008, 07:18 AM
Thanks gvg.
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http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/151/norway46e0ef93mr6dotpng

Get A Grip

http://i37.*******.com/2mowm75dotjpg

At least that's what the Norwegian Defence and Security Industries Association (FSi) again suggested at the Future Combat Aircraft seminar last week at the Polytechnic Society that was visited by some top guys.

Some points as to why:

http://i33.*******.com/2mzw75idotjpg
Torbjřrn Svensgĺrd (FSi)




I seriously doubt Norway will go for Gripen. Sadly the only reason to why Gripen is even on the table is because one of the parties in the coalition government in Norway is strongly anti-American and will do anything they can to prevent Norway buying from the US. They even have in their party manifesto that the US is "the biggest threat to world peace" and that Norway should "leave NATO as it is an imperialistic organization".

The Air Force has made no secret that it wants the F35, but unfortunately it is a political decision and not an informed one. It would truly be sad if the richest country in Europe didn't go for the best option simply because of price and ideology.

signatory
11-19-2008, 07:50 AM
NSM

Please edit down your post above and remove the unnecessary large quotation.

And if you care to debate the Norwegian campaign there's a thread here (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=136897)that is more appropriate.

There's alot of people here who really don't give a damn and just want the news.

NSM
11-19-2008, 08:17 AM
There's alot of people here who really don't give a damn and just want the news.


The nature of your post was written in a very 'do give a damn' manner so I felt a reply was in order.

JohanGrön
11-19-2008, 09:45 AM
Production of the unmanned Neuron craft has just begun at Tjust Mekaniska in Sweden.


Neuron is being jointly developed by France, Sweden, Italy, Spain, Greece and Switzerland. The participating aviation industries are Dassault, who are leading the programme, Saab, Alenia, EADS-CASA, HAI, RUAG and Thales. Saab Aerosystems are responsible for all Swedish industrial involvement. Several business units within Saab are subcontractors to Saab Aerosystems.

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/first_part_for_neuron.htm)

xav
11-19-2008, 10:03 AM
Signatory

http://i34.*******.com/r292lxdotjpg

Is there still room for a Targeting Pod? I would think you could fit one under the right air intake but it doesn't look obvious on that shot.
Or is there a plan for a "integrated" air to ground IRST (Like Mig 35 kinda)?

Thanks

NSM
11-19-2008, 11:18 AM
Not that it matters all that much as politicians usually don't listen to commoners but perhaps still a bit surprising how low the dedicated JSF support is 'on the street' considering their long history of flying US jets.


SAAB has gotten much more media coverage than Lockheed Martin. And SAAB has been much more agressive in their approach. Just today, an "expert" said he doubted the JSF would even enter production. There has been all sorts of wrong and misleading slander against the F36 in Norways left leaning media.

Considering the amount of pro gripen writings in the media, I'm suprised the survey isn't stronger in SAAB's favor.





edit : Speaking of production. SAAB is owned by GM who are about to go bankrupt. Will that affect the Gripen project?

Maskirovka
11-19-2008, 11:37 AM
edit : Speaking of production. SAAB is owned by GM who are about to go bankrupt. Will that affect the Gripen project?

No. GM only owns the car section of SAAB.

signatory
11-19-2008, 11:53 AM
Signatory

http://i34.*******.com/r292lxdotjpg

Is there still room for a Targeting Pod? I would think you could fit one under the right air intake but it doesn't look obvious on that shot.
Or is there a plan for a "integrated" air to ground IRST (Like Mig 35 kinda)?
Thanks

Targeting pod will come on the intake, they removed it while modifying the intakes to accomodate the air flow to the F414. Will be added...

No plans for a integrated IRST, AFAIK.

NSM, Who cares. That's your domestic politics and media cr4p. I couldn't care less.

NSM
11-19-2008, 12:03 PM
No. GM only owns the car section of SAAB.


Nice, thats good to hear. :)

NSM
11-19-2008, 12:04 PM
NSM, Who cares. That's your domestic politics and media cr4p. I couldn't care less.


I'm sorry. I wasnt awere that this was your personal Gripen *********ion thread. If you refuse to hear other sides of the case, why post pro Gripen articles when you refuse to listen to comment regarding what you post?

jontew
11-19-2008, 12:48 PM
Nice to see that they finally started the production of the Neuron! That CNC must really be a BEAST :D

Murphy
11-19-2008, 01:18 PM
I'm sorry. I wasnt awere that this was your personal Gripen *********ion thread.

:roll: Admin please. Another threadcr@pper totally missing the premise of this particular thread. And why it must be allowed to remain as is on this forum. The key elements being 1. PRE-DECLARATION of intent 2. EFFORT put into NEWS postings OVER A LONG period of time.


If you refuse to hear other sides of the case, why post pro Gripen articles when you refuse to listen to comment regarding what you post?

:roll: Because this has been established years ago, several times, in the thread's mission statement by the author?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84527&page=35


I started it with some reasons in mind:

One to collect smaller less interesting news in one thread rather than seeing them scattered all over the forum more or less just annoying people. The other reason was to improve the overall information on Gripen on the web which at best is very poor. More sourced news and fewer rumours. Finally I wanted a easier way to search backwards for old articles.

And while it has a pro-Gripen stance there shall be no doubt about posting accident reports or criticism but preferably avoiding unsourced opinion with a anti-Gripen agenda.

Lots of thanks to those who contributed to this thread ! And thanks for looking :)

Because this is not meant to be your average fanboy cr@pper thread with "experts" shltting their "opinions" all over the place?

Because this is not intended to be that type of thread?

In the end it doesn't matter though. Why? Because of all the WORK & EFFORT put into it. signatory can 'm@sturbate' as much as he pleases in this thread and you cannot! How about that, huh?

Finally a quote from HOLLiS, especially for you NSM (& others):

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84527&page=60


This signatory's thread, follow his advice.

Let's keep on topic.

Sheesh. :fork:

Bolovo
11-19-2008, 04:07 PM
From today pics.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r173/lancero_2007/novembro/20081118131142ENLUS0155400812270139dotjpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r173/lancero_2007/novembro/20081118131018ENLUS0155400612270138dotjpg

Hungarian engineer Zoltan Tuza calibrates an infrared-sensored AGM-65 type Maverick air-to-surface missile in the joint missile maintenance plant of the US Company Raytheon and the Hungarian Company Arzenal in Nyírtelek, some 244 km northeast from Budapest, Hungary, 18 November, 2008. Arzenal, owned by Hungarian Defense Ministry, will be a subcontractor for Raytheon from 20 November, 2008. Maverick missiles are also used on Hungary's Sweden-built Gripen fighter planes

Jesupojk
11-20-2008, 05:54 AM
Pretty much a stolen post from swedish equiv. of MP.net (soldf.com) user Karl P


Sources in The Hague say officials from the three coalition parties are to meet on Thursday to discuss the growing crisis over plans to buy the American Joint Strike Fighter jet to replace the country’s aging F16s, the Telegraaf reports.

The paper says Labour and the orthodox Christian ChristenUnie want a three-month delay on the decision of whether or not to buy two test planes.

This will give MPs more time to assess the rival plane, the Saab Gripen NG, the paper says.

Junior defence minister Jack de Vries (Christian Democrat) wants a final decision on running JSF trials by the end of February next year. He says a delay will lead to extra costs and risk pilots’ training.

MPs are unhappy about the information De Vries has given to parliament about the two jets.

He is, for example, accused of telling MPs there was no information about the noise made by the Saab jet, even though the ministry knew it is quieter than the JSF, the Telegraaf reports.http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/11/jet_fighter_decision_divides_c.php

signatory
11-20-2008, 09:25 AM
Jesupojk, nice nick :)

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39.230 update

According to a updated page on mil.se the jet 230 who took a nose dive after landing had a in-flight issue with the alternating current. Some displays lost power and the normal procedure to lower the landing gear didn't work. The wingman typed the given error codes into his Gripen and it reported a loss of AC power.

There's several backups for the flight control and the gear came out on its backup with a good landing as a result. When the pilot steered off the runway into the taxi lane the nose gear and brakes suddenly stopped working. He pulled the handbrake and the jet came to a stop. Then, after a few minutes with the engine turned off the nose gear gave in and collapsed.

link (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Blekinge-flygflottilj-F-17/Nyheter/Dramatiskt-fore-landning-med-Gripen/)

one-niner
11-20-2008, 09:48 AM
Apologies if it's a repost, but I can't get myself to trawl through 83 pages to find out :)

This is a picture that's been used for Gripen adverts in liberal parties' papers in Denmark:

http://multimedia.jp.dk/archive/00066/Gripen_Next_Generati_66006bdotjpg

signatory
11-20-2008, 10:06 AM
one-niner, I think we've seen it but thanks :)


Delay on fighter jet decision
Thursday 20 November 2008

MPs are to be given more time to decide whether or not to invest in two Jet Strike Fighter planes, the three coalition parties agreed on Thursday.


It is not yet clear how long the decision, reached between party officials and junior defence minister Jack de Vries, has been delayed by.

The delay will give MPs more time to assess the rival plane, the Saab Gripen NG.

De Vries (Christian Democrat) had wanted a final decision on running JSF trials by the end of February next year. He says a delay will lead to extra costs and risk pilots’ training.

MPs are unhappy about the information De Vries has given to parliament about the two jets.

He is, for example, accused of telling MPs there was no information about the noise made by the Saab jet, even though the ministry knew it is quieter than the JSF, the Telegraaf reports.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/11/delay_on_fighter_jet_decision.php

-Max2-
11-20-2008, 10:14 AM
Apologies if it's a repost, but I can't get myself to trawl through 83 pages to find out :)

This is a picture that's been used for Gripen adverts in liberal parties' papers in Denmark:

http://multimedia.jp.dk/archive/00066/Gripen_Next_Generati_66006bdotjpg

Impressive loadout but it must be draggy as hell and the range must be quite short with no external fuel tanks. I doubt its a realistic loadout.

BTW, what are the bombs on the dual pylons under the wings ? GBU-39 SDB ?

signatory
11-20-2008, 10:31 AM
Impressive loadout but it must be draggy as hell and the range must be quite short with no external fuel tanks. I doubt its a realistic loadout.

Just some marketing to show different types of weapon systems and new carrier/stations planned for the jet...

Here's a two other ones that show new launchers and also fuel.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8991/gcam0jh1dotjpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5043/39cdcaesar009obmulti001ey5dotjpg


BTW, what are the bombs on the dual pylons under the wings ? GBU-39 SDB ?

Should be SDB's yeah...

Herman the II
11-20-2008, 10:34 AM
The Gripen NG has an increased internal fuel capacity, so the range should be extended a bit. Your right about the "drag" issue, I doubt we will see double launchers for BVR missiles or 4 SDB on one hard-point. At least as long as the possible scenarios aren't changing in the next years, there is simply no need for those configurations.


edit: signatory was faster, as usual...

xav
11-20-2008, 10:38 AM
Should be SDB's yeah...

Why is Sweden seeking AASM 125 when it can already use SDB?

AASM in 125 will be a SDB like... just more manoeauvrable (because of the big fins and rocket "booster" in its butt)


Other question: Does Gripen NG still has a Canon?


Edit: Ok third question sorry :)

Is that IRST on the nose? http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5043/39cdcaesar009obmulti001ey5dotjpg

Nordmannen
11-20-2008, 11:28 AM
Norway just decided on the American JSF. woot

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=534149

dobrodan
11-20-2008, 11:38 AM
Norway just decided on the American JSF. woot

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=534149

That sucks!

I suspect dirty tricks by LM, as the decision should not be made until the 18. of December...

Well, it´s only the tax-payers´money...

Eggy
11-20-2008, 11:44 AM
Norway just decided on the American JSF. woot

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=534149
Good news. Might sway some of the left wing parties over here.

Nordmannen
11-20-2008, 12:40 PM
That sucks!

I suspect dirty tricks by LM, as the decision should not be made until the 18. of December...

Of course you do. :roll:
The deadline for the decision was 18. December.

MoriartySE
11-20-2008, 12:48 PM
Norway just decided on the American JSF. woot

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=534149

Not surprised at all, but of course I'm disappointed. No matter how good value Gripen is, I think Norway has committed itself too much to withdraw from JSF. Should be interesting to see the development of this.

Nice pics on the loadout there, it looks more like a number of bombs with additional wings & engine rather than an aircraft with lots of bombs :)

dobrodan
11-20-2008, 01:54 PM
Of course you do. :roll:
The deadline for the decision was 18. December.


Time will show...

Goodbye "army"... There won´t be any money left when the true cost of the F-35 surfaces...

signatory
11-20-2008, 02:07 PM
I'm not sorry for Gripen as its just a piece of equipment and the bottom line is it won't go away for many decades. All export sales is just a bonus and Gripen came in as a wild card very late in a process that had involved JSF for a long time.

Eurofighter pulled out in anger and Saab could have done the same, but it was worth to take a chance. I'm otoh sorry for SWE-NOR defence cooperation which could have gone even deeper and more cost effective. But eh. Same same.

signatory
11-21-2008, 01:03 PM
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/F7C3D7BB-5E6D-4A1A-AF32-2873FEB05331/8129/brazil_157x98dotjpg

Brazil - Sweden

Today Sweden's Deputy Prime Minister Maud Olofsson held talks with Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva in Sao Paulo. Topic was trade covering mutual interest such as a Gripen deal and bio-energy solutions.

It was decided that the Brazilian Defence Minister is to visit Sweden to discuss Gripen NG and Transfer of Technology.

Croatia - Sweden

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/3CE6572A-2178-497B-8FA0-59BFDCF4E49D/8436/Johan_Fredrik_Bertil_Jerkerdotjpg

Yesterday Gripen International's General Manager Johan Lehander opened Saab's Zagreb Office and also proposed Sweden could help with the financing of new fighter jets during currently bad economic times.

SAAB Gripen International in Croatia is there for a long term ambition to seek business in the region and as Croatia already use some SAAB equipment they hope to expand on that relationship too.

Saab/Gripen International
Address: Zagreb Tower
Radnicka cesta 80 10 000
Zagreb Croatia

Link (http://www.gripen.com/hr/MediaRelations/News/2008/newofficehr.htm)

link (http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak.aspx?id=410448)

Chaosmarine1
11-22-2008, 10:07 AM
I have nothing to base this on, but I have a feeling its probably more likely that Denmark will pick the JSF, now that the Norwegians did.

Maskirovka
11-22-2008, 10:50 AM
I have nothing to base this on, but I have a feeling its probably more likely that Denmark will pick the JSF, now that the Norwegians did.

I think everyone does. But the Danes can surprise you. Remember they bought the SAAB Draken in the 80´s and have good experiences with SAAB aircrafts. (SAAB 17 and SAAB Supporter as well I believe)

Dr Freud
11-22-2008, 10:51 AM
It has always been my definite impression that Denmark will by JSF, but perhaps they will invite Gripen in competition to get a better deal like Norway did.

Chaosmarine1
11-22-2008, 11:36 AM
I think everyone does. But the Danes can surprise you. Remember they bought the SAAB Draken in the 80´s and have good experiences with SAAB aircrafts. (SAAB 17 and SAAB Supporter as well I believe)

I am a Dane, but we don't hear so much about this whole aircraft deal that's going on, I know Eurofighter dropped out and the competition is between some future Gripen and the JSF. However Denmark invested money in the JSF project, just as Norway did, and Norway went for the JSF, so...

Though I'm by far no expert on this :)

signatory
11-27-2008, 02:08 PM
Significant Milestone and 10% cheaper

http://i37.*******.com/wb6sttdotjpg

On Thursday 26.11.2008 the 204th JAS Gripen and last of Batch 3 was handed over to FMV the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration. Additional Gripens has been delivered to other customers.

As if exceeding all technical requirements by verifiable practical experience wasn't enough all of Batch 3 with 64 jets has been delivered at a cost 1500 million SEK (US$190m) lower than agreed. About 10% lower.

(If you do some math you can maybe get an idea of the fly-away price to the Swedish customer... 13500m/64 = 211m = 26,5m USD Edit: FMV confirmed to me this is a price excluding national VAT (taxfree))

The program will continue as the backbone of the SwAF for another 30-40 years. Last year the Government signed Action Plan Gripen and within a multiyear framework of 4,2 Billion SEK (US$530) the continued modernization of JAS 39C/D and conversion of another 31 jets to the latest C/D standard is under way as well as the Gripen NG Demo program.

The current contracts puts the international JAS 39C/D fleet to 160 jets on 5 countries when all deliveries is complete.

Link (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=4489)

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http://i37.*******.com/11bkq5gdotjpg

39.275 arrived with ~12 hours on the clock to F 21 this Tuesday. 39.274 was also delivered that day.
The final 39C from batch 3 is 39.276 and is currently in the hands of FMV before a handover to the Air Force.

link (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Norrbottens-flygflottilj-F-21/Nyheter/Leverans-fran-fabriken/)

http://i36.*******.com/347bk2edotjpg

Photos from earlier this month when four Czech L-159 ALCA pilots had completed their conversion training to Gripen.

They took part in the first multinational training program and took the course together with Hungarian pilots. After continued training in the homeland they will soon be ready to fly QRA missions.

Note: This week the Czech military also outlined planned deployments and again confirmed the deployment from next spring in support of Baltic Air Policing, the Parliament has yet to vote on the issue but it is supported by the Government.

http://i33.*******.com/23kdq52dotjpg

link (http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbildningsforband/Skaraborgs-flygflottilj-F-7/Nyheter/Examen-i-Gripenskolan/)

signatory
11-30-2008, 07:22 PM
Not news but it's good to keep as a reference.

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Range

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/416/gripen3dtldpni2dotjpg
Photo credit lost: Contact me if you wish.

A summary of the only (?) official data on range that is available.

Gripen to NL (2008) (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/NLGRIPENPRESSBRIEFAug08.pdf), page 6.

Gripen to Brazil (2003) (http://www.gripen.com.br/download/18.988707fc16e9df3b7fff7421/broch02.pdf), page 8.

SwAF Air Tactical Command (1999) (http://www.annalindhbiblioteket.se/publikationer/uppsatser/2002/chp0002/jacobsson_2016.pdf), page 39, Addendum B1.

Range from above pdfs:

JAS 39C
Combat radius: 800 km on internal fuel
Combat radius: 1,550 Km with external fuel
Ferry range (one-way): 3,200 Km with external fuel

Gripen NG
Combat radius: 1,300 Km + 30 minutes on station with A2A weapons.
Range (one-way): 2,500 Km on internal fuel
Ferry range (one-way): 4,075 Km with external fuel

(There's of course lots of factors that ultimately play in on range and how much is put on the A/C.. Mother Nature for instance, being one of those dynamic factors.)

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On another note but related, the Swedish designation system goes after a priority list, for example the JA 37 Viggen was priority J=Fighter and secondary A=Attack while the sister aircraft AJ 37 Viggen had Attack as priority.

JAS 39 in role priority is thus Fighter-Attack-Recon. And that's something you can see on design and requirements, it's all pretty straight forward... It's not going to pretend to be a long range attack aircraft because attack is second priority. And Recon was the last role to be added. The issues with range comes when you want to add heavy weapons instead of drop tanks for instance.

But in A2A and recon not so much an issue on range, in the Swiss trials the Gripen sometimes flew with as much as 3 droptanks and 4 missiles + recon pod in a air defence combat air patrol loadout.

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Czech paper talks to a Gripen pilot

Czech article.

Link (http://www.blesk.cz/clanek/104699/tito-nas-chrani-stit-nad-republikou.html)

Some of that, with ugly translation...


Praise Gripen
Roman Freedom pilotuje one of the fourteen Gripen, which the army since 2005 leased from Sweden. "It belongs to the best, as is currently the world flies," says convinced. "It is also extremely safe, he watches me."

On-board computer equipment can almost wonders. "Warns of small or great speed, constantly controls the height, scale rudders and wings and many other things which are not to speak," explains major. The Russian MiGs létal many years and recognizes their quality. "In my time was good. But Gripen is a totally different class."

signatory
12-01-2008, 11:41 AM
Fifth Gripen advanced fighter delivered to South Africa

South Africa has taken delivery of its fifth Gripen multi-role fighter as part of the SA Air Force’s modernisation and transformation programme.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/2E5C59B9-9CF5-4C09-90A5-46483C32798B/8470/IMG_1251_360dotjpg

Full Article (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/fifth_gripen_advanced_fighter_delivered_to_south_africa.htm)

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Quo Vadis 2008

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6137/czechriparfp1dotjpg

CzAF Gripens and L-159 exercised protection of transport aircraft with French C-160R Transall and Czech An-26.

More photos (http://www.211squadron.cz/exercise/qv08/index.html)

Mynameischarlie
12-01-2008, 08:20 PM
A small question: What's the production rate of current version of the Gripen?

signatory
12-01-2008, 10:42 PM
A small question: What's the production rate of current version of the Gripen?

15 per year currently which is full house but half speed (day shift). Right now there's no customer who want jets urgently, South Africa for instance only want about 5 per year... hopefully matching their own pilot production rate..(they got 4 pilots today...) Saab has so far built about 225 Gripens.

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SAAF jets on the new DTI cover.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3614/00b09b631e724d5faaeb378we2dotjpg

December issue of DTI (http://www.zinio.com/express3?issue=324068337&)

signatory
12-02-2008, 11:53 PM
I thought it was time to sum up the NG basics on a page with links to further reading.

http://i36.*******.com/2mg5l5zdotjpg
GE F-414G equipped Gripen NG Demo during heavy stores trials

Gripen NG is only 4% heavier than JAS 39C but comes with over 20% more engine thrust.

The F-414G engine will provide 20 to 25% more thrust over the existing RM12.
The NG Demonstrator has flown the new airframe and engine since May 2008.
Test phase 1 has performed maximum speed trials and heavy stores flutter tests.
Test phase 2 to start from 2009 will include tests of new sensors such as AESA.

Gripen NG Basic Specs (1)
Number of Stations 10
Empty weight 7.1 ton
MTOW 16 ton
Internal fuel 3.3 ton
External fuel 3.8 ton
Payload >6 ton

Gripen NG Range (2)
Range is increased an average of 40% over the JAS 39C as both the internal and external fuel capability is expanded.
Combat radius: 1,300 Km + 30 minutes on station with A2A weapons.
Range (one-way): 2,500 Km on internal fuel
Ferry range (one-way): 4,075 Km with external fuel

Design notice (3)
To accomodate a higher airflow for the F-414G engine the forward intakes has been expanded by about an inch. These forward intakes is removable on all JAS 39 models for modifications. Installing the new engine into the NG Demonstrator was successful on first attempt with only minor adjustments. Two new ventral stations has been fitted to the central fuselage. The Demonstrator (a rebuilt JAS39B/D) is used to show possible upgrades to existing Gripens or solutions for completely new models.

Sources: [1 (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/JSF15_ERIC_GRIPEN_DEMOROLLOUT2008.pdf)], [2 (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/NLGRIPENPRESSBRIEFAug08.pdf)], [3 (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/FCB6D4D6-8D7E-4824-B674-4B42B761A7F9/0/GripenNewsDemo_080414_final.pdf)]

signatory
12-04-2008, 02:21 AM
AirShow Jas 39 Gripen @ DreamHack Winter 2008

Display video and a different POV than normal as this display was conducted over a lake with the DreamHack audience on the cliff side... not the best weather though.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ePOBevoLCCU
Better light but a bit more shaky than the one below. From tigerguyswe

http://www.youtube.com/v/OyshUs3PcLk
From www.dreamhack.se
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'Sweden Backs Gripen NG'

I don't like Gerard O'Dwyer and his articles on DefenseNews but I will at least link it.

Link (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3848081&c=AIR&s=TOP)

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Speed-dating with Danish companies

Saab and the Confederation of Danish Industry were the hosts on Tuesday when Danish businesses gathered for the country's biggest industry conference in a long time.

"The goal is for us to enter into industrial partnerships corresponding to 180 percent of the contract value. 100 percent within defence and security industries and 80 percent within civil operations,"

Saab's offer to Denmark includes 48 Gripen Next Generation, including training, simulators and initial spare parts at a guaranteed price

Link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/industrikonferens.htm)

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GI MD Bob Kemp comments on the decision in N****y.

Link (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=549002)

Translated (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Finnenriks%2Fartikkel.php%3Fartid%3D549002&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&sl=no&tl=en)

JohanGrön
12-04-2008, 03:19 AM
'Sweden Backs Gripen NG'

I don't like Gerard O'Dwyer and his articles on DefenseNews but I will at least link it.

From article in DefenseNews:

Saab has offered the Gripen NG to more than eight nations considering buying fighter jets, including Brazil, and Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, India, the Netherlands, Romania, and Switzerland.

I wasn't aware of that SAAB also offered the GNG to Switzerland, Croatia, Bulgaria and Romania? Thought it was the C/D variant at evaluation there ...