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signatory
08-27-2009, 01:42 PM
TTP LIVEX

18 x JAS 39C and 4 x F-16C is exercising since monday until the 4th of September in northern Sweden. The Norwegians from 332sq is based out of Bodø.

Sweden use both divisions at F 21 and one from F 17, plus 'VUE TU-JAS' (Weapons effect tactical development) (actually: VUE-UTV Luft) and air controllers from the Air Combat Training School. Swedish and foreign Forward Air Controllers also participate.

Next week live firing against ground and air targets will be conducted.

link (http://www.mil.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Norrbottens-flygflottilj-F-21/Nyheter/Internationell-flygovning/)

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QRA Booms

SwAF Gripens from F 17 was launched in a hurry today as a foreign military aircraft was coming close to the border. The jets created sonic booms that were heard over the Gotland island. And arrived in time.

link (http://www.sr.se/gotland/nyheter/artikel.asp?artikel=3060476)

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QRA Gripens at F 17 seen on Google Earth

jaegermeistr
08-28-2009, 12:05 PM
which nation was it that flew into our airspace?

kme
08-28-2009, 03:17 PM
which nation was it that flew into our airspace? Well, most likely the same nation that violated Norwegian and Danish airspace within the last six months.

1911-a1
08-28-2009, 03:18 PM
Guys, does anyone know if there are gonna be any Gripens flying over Sthlm during the military exercise? I wanna know if I should have my camera ready.

jochen
08-30-2009, 03:40 AM
John Berg a norwegian defence analyst are questioning Norways selection of JSF, which he says were chosen on false grounds.

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=sv&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fopinion%2Fdebatt%2Fsverige-blev-lurat-nar-norge-valde-bort-jas-1.941485&sl=sv&tl=en&history_state0= [Google translated]

Dompedidomp
08-30-2009, 04:58 AM
John Berg a norwegian defence analyst are questioning Norways selection of JSF, which he says were chosen on false grounds.

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=sv&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fopinion%2Fdebatt%2Fsverige-blev-lurat-nar-norge-valde-bort-jas-1.941485&sl=sv&tl=en&history_state0= [Google translated]

Berg have been lobbying against JSF since the beginning, as he does against any US made equipment which might be bought by Norway.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.regjeringen.no%2Fnb%2Fdep%2Ffd%2Faktuelt%2Ftaler_artikler%2Fpolitisk_ledelse%2Fstatssekretaer_espen_barth_eide%2F2009%2Fkampflykjopet--ingen-er-lurt.html%3Fid%3D565482&sl=no&tl=en&hl=no&ie=UTF-8

Breerman
08-30-2009, 10:04 AM
John Berg a norwegian defence analyst are questioning Norways selection of JSF, which he says were chosen on false grounds.

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=sv&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fopinion%2Fdebatt%2Fsverige-blev-lurat-nar-norge-valde-bort-jas-1.941485&sl=sv&tl=en&history_state0= [Google translated]
All international experts have been saying the same thing since the decision was announced. However Sweden have accepted Norways decision as of political nature and moved on. So no need to discuss Norway's problems in the Gripen thread as I see it.

Dompedidomp
08-30-2009, 10:21 AM
All international experts have been saying the same thing since the decision was announced.

All international experts ?? No international "experts" have had access to all the information, including confidential information, about both F-35 and Gripen, as Norway, and can not compare the fighters as Norway did.

Unifil 37
08-30-2009, 11:43 AM
All international experts ?? No international "experts" have had access to all the information, including confidential information, about both F-35 and Gripen, as Norway, and can not compare the fighters as Norway did.

Norwegian MOD chose the airframe that they thought would be the best. It was FFI and the RNAF that made the scenarios. Nobody could get the scenarios because it's classified and still is. This is a GRIPEN thread and i think we should discus GRIPEN stuff in here. Mr Berg is a notorious anti JSF-35 lobbyist and can not be taken seriously

Regarding GRIPEN. That plane is beautiful! Best of luck to the Swedes on the program!!!!!

and finally... The whole Norwegians fooled the Swedes nonsenses ... Shut up already. The Norwegians and the Swedes have a long list of cooperation and mutual systems so stop complaining. Just keep those beautiful CV-90's and Archer coming and i'll be happy.

freethinker
08-30-2009, 11:50 AM
Norwegian MOD chose the airframe that they thought would be the best. It was FFI and the RNAF that made the scenarios. Nobody could get the scenarios because it's classified and still is. This is a GRIPEN thread and i think we should discus GRIPEN stuff in here. Mr Berg is a notorious anti JSF-35 lobbyist and can not be taken seriously

Regarding GRIPEN. That plane is beautiful! Best of luck to the Swedes on the program!!!!!

and finally... The whole Norwegians fooled the Swedes nonsenses ... Shut up already. The Norwegians and the Swedes have a long list of cooperation and mutual systems so stop complaining. Just keep those beautiful CV-90's and Archer coming and i'll be happy.

Well said. Norway is a free country so they can get whatever system they want and can afford.
They dont owe us Swedes anything.

Breerman
08-30-2009, 12:55 PM
All international experts ?? No international "experts" have had access to all the information, including confidential information, about both F-35 and Gripen, as Norway, and can not compare the fighters as Norway did.
Had nothing to do with some secret information. It was way off.


The whole Norwegians fooled the Swedes nonsenses ... Shut up already.
No Swede brought F-35 into this thread, you did. Move on (or at least discuss it elsewhere).

Unifil 37
08-30-2009, 02:08 PM
Had nothing to do with some secret information. It was way off.


No Swede brought F-35 into this thread, you did. Move on (or at least discuss it elsewhere).

Nothing to do about it? yeahhh... sure.. AFAIK the data used in the scenarios had pretty much to do about it.

As far i can see, some Swede brought it back in this thread again:

John Berg a norwegian defence analyst are questioning Norways selection of JSF, which he says were chosen on false grounds.

http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0= (http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=sv&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fopinion%2Fdebatt%2Fsverige-blev-lurat-nar-norge-valde-bort-jas-1.941485&sl=sv&tl=en&history_state0=) [Google translated]
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/statusicon/user_offlinedotgif http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/reportdotgif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/report.php?p=4375341) http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/quotedotgif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4375341)
It's from a Swedish paper, and translated from Swedish to English

Breerman
08-30-2009, 02:54 PM
As far i can see, some Swede brought it back in this thread again
Then you should get better glasses. It's only norskies that keep this issue alive. People here have dismissed it as just another Norwegian "affair" and moved on. I suggest you let it go too.

Unifil 37
08-30-2009, 06:24 PM
Then you should get better glasses. It's only norskies that keep this issue alive. People here have dismissed it as just another Norwegian "affair" and moved on. I suggest you let it go too.

Yepp! Just a Norwegian affair... I'll let you go!

Have a good night!

A question to Signatory: Any news about the joint training up north? any lesson learned?

signatory
08-31-2009, 05:21 AM
@Unifil 37, there's always some lessons learned... rarely will they be official news but maybe we'll get some pics in a few days if the boys is in a good mood.


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BAP

Today at the handover ceremony 2 Gripens and 2 Typhoons 'scramble' together for a flyover...

Between 2004 and until the CzAF took over the Baltic Air Policing for the first time, that is 5 years, NATO aircraft conducted 8 live A-scrambles. The 8th was conducted by the USAFE in late 2008.

The CzAF Gripens did 8 x A-scambles in just 4 months and thus hold the record for being the most busy unit so far. Beginners luck?


Czech NATO air force mission in Baltic ending

iauliai (Lithuania)/Prague - The first mission abroad of Czech pilots using the Jas-39 Gripen fighters in the Baltic air space ends after four months, David Schreier, spokesman for the contingent of the Czech Siauliai air base, told CTK today.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1429/1242977964200905220128mdotjpg

Since May, members of the 211th tactical squadron from Caslav, central Bohemia, have had eight "action" sorties against civilian as well as military targets that did not observe the rules of flights on civilian routes, Schreier said.

"With the number of sorties, the Czech pilots have reached the previous statistics of sorties over Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia for the period since April 2004 when the countries joined NATO," he added.

The last flight of two Czech Gripens in the Baltic is scheduled for Monday. With it, Czechs will reach 336 sorties and 400 air hours within the mission, Schreier said.

The Czech Republic is the 14th NATO country to protect the air space of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. The Baltic countries do not have their own supersonic air force.

"The dispatch of the combat aircraft to the mission was a big challenge both in operational and logistic terms," mission commander Jaroslav Mika told CTK today.

"The aircraft did not have any experience with this type of task since World War Two," Mika added.

Mika spoke highly of the professionalism of hundreds of the troops and pilots and stressed that they had managed to cross the planned number of air hours.

Mika said Czech pilots had proved they were able to operate within NATO air space protection.

link (http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/zpravy/czech-nato-air-force-mission-in-baltic-ending/395084)

TGIF
08-31-2009, 06:53 AM
Some news from Switzerland (although a couple of days old)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/107667/swiss-to-vote-on-new-fighter-buy-in-sept.-2010.html


The Federal Council decided yesterday, [Aug. 26] at the request of the [Ministry of Defence] that it would recommend that the population and the cantons vote against the popular initiative “Against New combat Aircraft.” There will be no counter-proposal.

Submitted in June of this year by the “Coalition against new combat aircraft”, sponsored by the GSsA (Group for Switzerland Without an Army), the initiative calls for a moratorium of ten years on all purchases of combat aircraft, and specifically from Jan. 1, 2010 until Jan. 31, 2019. [Should be Dec. 31—Ed.]

The Federal Council opposes this initiative because it is contrary to the very principles of general policy, and because neither Parliament nor the Council accept that an article of the Constitution might restrict their freedom of action, especially at a time when events in the fields of politics, of security policy and of economics are evolving so quickly.

Regarding the schedule, the initiative is tied to the partial replacement of the fleet of Tiger aircraft. It is currently planned to integrate the acquisition of new aircraft into Armaments Plan 2011.

The Federal Council believes that the vote on the popular initiative should take place before the acquisition of new aircraft is tabled as part of the Armaments Plan.

Consequently, the Federal Council wishes that the Chambers rapidly rule on the issue, and that the date for the popular vote be determined as soon as possible, ideally in September 2010.

Hopefully this voting will be a formality, not affecting the purchase. Any news on when a selection of platform will be made? Are we still looking at end 2009/early 2010? When will the "Armaments Plan 2011" be set?

signatory
09-01-2009, 10:09 AM
Hopefully this voting will be a formality, not affecting the purchase. Any news on when a selection of platform will be made? Are we still looking at end 2009/early 2010? When will the "Armaments Plan 2011" be set?

Spring 2010 or something like that... I think there's still one last-and-final offer to be made by the candidates and this is to be done before year-end. Recently Saab said they might together with the Swedish state offer Gripen NG instead of the 39C/D but it all depends... the Swiss want a operative product so that means Sweden would have to commit to NG in that offer aswell.

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BRIDEX 2009

http://i31.*******.com/2a0m7n7dotjpg
Bridex Conference Dome (c) Dhani

BRIDEX took place 11.08.2009 - 14.08.2009 in Brunei. Saab International based in Bangkok represented Saab and Gripen at the bi-annual show.

Brunei is one of the countries I listed on the sales prospect list (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4267738&postcount=1712) but this is probably the first clear evidence that there's a actual campaign there (and for other countries in the region)

http://i32.*******.com/2ytwugldotjpg
Models of Gripen and Saab 340 Maritime Patrol Aircraft at Bridex (c) Dex


F16 and Gripen For Brunei?

KLS BRIDEX 2009: At its stand here at BRIDEX 2009, Lockheed Martin and SAAB took initiative to display their fighter aircrafts.

Lockheed Martin has three eye-catching aircraft models on display, depicting the F-16 Fighting Falcon multirole fighter, the T-50 Golden Eagle trainer and the C-130J Super Hrcules transport. All are resplendent in Royal Brunei Air Force insignia. Apart from that SAAB is displaying the Gripen aircraft.

Wishful thinking on Lockheed Martin and SAAB? Perhaps no. Brunei is not buying combat aircraft at any foreseeable time, but Brunei is being mentioned as a potential customer for the future.

When KLS’s journalist discussing with the representatives of Lockheed Martin and Gripen, KLS told them that Brunei Air Force needs at least 6 to 8 fighter aircrafts in the future.

“This is because South China Sea is part of the Interest Frontier of Brunei, Brunei needs fighter aircrafts to protect their interest and remain at South China Sea.”

Lockheed Martin and SAAB agreed with KLS’s journalist personal view point.

“We are ready to supply our F-16 to Brunei or perhaps the T-50 as a light combat aircraft to meet the Brunei Air Force’s need,” KLS told by Lockheed Martin.

SAAB is also ready to seek their opportunities in the region after having sold the Gripen to Thailand. Malaysia and Brunei right now are becoming the SAAB marketing targets.

link (http://www.klsreview.com/HTML/2009Jul_Dec/20090821_02.html)

Derbedeu
09-01-2009, 10:13 AM
Signatory, this might be a stupid question, so forgive me, but what is the price difference between an F-16 (one of the newer models like Block 52) and Gripen C? Obviously you're probably not privy to exact numbers, but an estimation would suffice.

hastati
09-01-2009, 01:19 PM
At 2002 during competition in Poland Swedish offer to sell brand-new 48 JAS-39C/D was worth 3,7 bln dollars(without any weapons) and USA offer for brand-new 48 F-16C/D Block 52+ around 3,5 bln dollars including weapons. Morocco F-16 had the same price.
I don't know how would it look like today...

signatory
09-01-2009, 01:27 PM
Signatory, this might be a stupid question, so forgive me, but what is the price difference between an F-16 (one of the newer models like Block 52) and Gripen C? Obviously you're probably not privy to exact numbers, but an estimation would suffice.

Well JAS39C 15m-40m vs F-16B52 20m-50m depending om how much second hand and extra features is to be included on the machines.

The JAS 39C/D (without LINK-16) delivered to Sweden under the Batch 3 production cost just under $30m.

The JAS 39C/D on delivery now that is rebuilt with second hand A/B parts cost about $15m each.

JAS 39 prices to Sweden I can confirm but the F-16 info is based on news so I'm not equally sure on those.

Of course any deal is going to be a package deal.. and they are never comparable between two manufacturers... with different support systems and so on.

alvedon
09-02-2009, 01:45 AM
http://http://translate.google.se/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyteknik.se%2Fnyheter%2Ffordon_motor%2Fflygplan%2Farticle628356.ece&sl=sv&tl=en&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8 (http://http://translate.google.se/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyteknik.se%2Fnyheter%2Ffordon_motor%2Fflygplan%2Farticle628356.ece&sl=sv&tl=en&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8)
=[Google translated]


With the help of a new American standard is the little Uppsala company AAC Microtec develop technologies to shrink the electronics in the Gripen


Why does the United States choose Sweden to the first country


Simply because we believe we have one of the foremost companies in the world to develop components for the aerospace field with the help of the standard.Americans themselves say that they need three-four years of intensive research efforts to catch up.

I dont understand why google translate makes Sverige to Canada and not Sweden funny=)

jaegermeistr
09-02-2009, 03:17 AM
I dont understand why google translate makes Sverige to Canada and not Sweden funny=)

Sweden = The neighbour in the north with harsh weather and socialistic health care

Canada = The neighbour in the north with harsh weather and socialistic health care

Easy mixup! we are basically the same country!

Caprice
09-02-2009, 05:12 AM
Alvedon, your NT link above didn't work, fixed it:

Shrinking electronics cooperation(in Gripen).
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyteknik.se%2Fnyheter%2Ffordon_motor%2Fflygplan%2Farticle628356.ece&sl=sv&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


...we are basically the same country!

Yes, there are lots of polar bears in Sweden. :)

C.

signatory
09-02-2009, 08:58 AM
We need flags.

(google translate)



Research collaboration on miniaturized components

Posted: 2009-09-02 10:16

FMV and the U.S. Air Force, U.S. Air Force, working on common standards, and technologies for aerospace systems.

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FMV Hakan Bergstrom and Richard A Geneaille JR, Policy Director of International Affairs, Safi, signed the agreement on cooperation on standards and technologies for aerospace systems. Photo: Länsytyrelsen in Uppsala.

Up to 300-fold decrease in volume in comparison with conventional products, and about 70-fold decrease in weight along with a reduction in energy requirements of between ten and twenty percent, it is the long-term goals of this collaborative project.

U.S. has a need of miniaturized technology to the development of future micro-satellite systems. For the Swedish part of the cooperation aimed at long-term to support the Gripen's ongoing development of new technology beyond the 2020th

- A large number of systems in the Gripen will need to be replaced for various reasons. Certain technologies become obsolete and no longer manufactured. New systems that increase the technical capacity meant that we need to make room for more electronics in the platform. When miniaturization is a possible way to realize a technological innovation, "says Rickard Nordenberg, which together with Josette Rosengren-Calixte is responsible for the project at FMV.

U.S. has identified a company in Sweden, AAC Microtec, former Ångström Aerospace, which is considered the world leader in the development of miniaturization and standardization of electronics and able to pack them so that the weight and volume reduction of up to approximately 300 times of how today's technology looks .

The components will be developed in the standard Plug and Play, meaning that it produces a well defined interface between electronic components that can then be bolted on to the system. An everyday example of Plug and Play standard, the interfaces that we use every day in our office systems, mouse, printer and monitor.

FMV press release (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=4827)

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jontew
09-07-2009, 10:00 AM
Lots of flying going on at Saab today, looked like they had some show in the morning and now in the afternoon it looked like they flew the NG-version because the tail was colored blue...but I am not sure :)

TGIF
09-07-2009, 10:12 AM
Lots of flying going on at Saab today, looked like they had some show in the morning and now in the afternoon it looked like they flew the NG-version because the tail was colored blue...but I am not sure :)

Sounds like the ETPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETPS) is in Linköping practicing.

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/sprucemoose/images/11593/etps-gripendotjpg

signatory
09-07-2009, 10:14 AM
Lots of flying going on at Saab today, looked like they had some show in the morning and now in the afternoon it looked like they flew the NG-version because the tail was colored blue...but I am not sure :)

NG is darkish gray... blue is ETPS and first Thai aircraft if they used the blue background in the wing's sharklogo. Sounds a bit too early for the Thai jet although it is more or less finished by now :| Usually they only fly after a roll-out.

But a show in the morning you say... hm could of course be some PR thing for foreign politicians. You need to get better surveillence gear jontew!

jontew
09-07-2009, 12:05 PM
Yes indeed I do! :D It could have been gray too actually when I think about it, it was kind of hard to see through the binoculars. I knew how the ETPS-version looked like but it didn't have a different color on the back of the plane up to cockpit, it was still gray, I need to get myself a really good zoom-lens for my Nikon D40x so I can show you guys :D

RSone
09-07-2009, 12:06 PM
Don't know if you guys caught it, but yesterday there was another docu about our whole F-35 and the Dutch government drama. Seems like the Gripen's chances are improving again. I'm trying to find out wether it was a re-run or not, but a i hadn't seen/heard a lot of the stuff in it, so i'm figuring it's largely new. Trying to track down a vid.

Skyman
09-07-2009, 12:45 PM
Thailand Gripen

I got a information on the technology transfer detail. This is all Thailand will get and the starting to recieve them. This more than I initially expected. :)

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1156/gripentechnologytransfedotjpg

The project overview. In second batch it will be only C model. In the very best case they want 16 jets to complete a sqn but the first priority now is the second batch. p-)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/869/rtafgripenprojectdotjpg

2SAI Desert Rat
09-07-2009, 04:01 PM
Hi
Have only just checked this Gripen thread and don't know if this link has been posted before:

http://www.af.mil.za/NEWS/2005/gripen.htm

It might be old but gives a hint of what avionics are to be fitted to our aircraft. My ex wifes cousin is the Project Systems engineer-Lt Col. Mike Edwards

Mac

Swingrole
09-07-2009, 04:20 PM
Brazil to buy 36 Rafale fighter planes from France


http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/284630,brazil-to-buy-36-rafale-fighter-planes-from-france.html

Breerman
09-07-2009, 04:33 PM
A tip is to never use Swedish media when it comes to anything foreign. They just surf the web.

*zeven*
09-07-2009, 08:15 PM
Hi
Have only just checked this Gripen thread and don't know if this link has been posted before:

http://www.af.mil.za/NEWS/2005/gripen.htm

It might be old but gives a hint of what avionics are to be fitted to our aircraft. My ex wifes cousin is the Project Systems engineer-Lt Col. Mike Edwards

Mac

Thanks for posting.

2495
09-08-2009, 03:41 AM
Gripen pics.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5879/gripenngfrontdotjpg

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7514/gripenngprofiledotjpg

ayanami_tard
09-08-2009, 04:55 AM
gripen and malaysian prospect


English Section - Bright Prospects For Gripen NG In Malaysia
(http://officialsite.my/tempur/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=793&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=2) (http://officialsite.my/tempur/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=793&itemid=2)
The News - IntroScroller Written by Prasun K.Sengupta Friday, 05 June 2009 http://officialsite.my/tempur/images/blankdotpng Bright Prospects For Gripen NG In Malaysia


15/07/09 - Tempur July 2009

One fourth-generation combat aircraft manufacturer that has gone flat out by bidding for four different markets all at the same time is Sweden’s Gripen International, which has already taken part in competitive bidding processes and flight demonstrations in all these countries over the past two years, and is soon likely to enter Malaysia in a big way for promoting the JAS-39 Gripen NG to the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF). Gripen International is the Swedish company which acts as a prime contracting organisation, responsible for marketing, selling and supporting the Gripen worldwide. Gripen International’s headquarters are in Linköping, Sweden. The company also has offices or representation throughout the world, including Washington DC, Johannesburg, Budapest, Prague, Bucharest, Sofia, Copenhagen, Oslo and New Delhi. The company, through Saab, is also delivering successful industrial cooperation programs in Czech Republic, Hungary and South Africa. According to Bob Kemp, Senior Vice-President of Sales and Marketing for Gripen International, Argentina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Greece, India, Malaysia, The Netherlands, Romania, Slovakia and Switzerland are the countries targeted by Gripen International for achieving marketing successes.

Thus far, Gripen International has rolled out only one tandem-seat variant of the Gripen NG technology demonstrator, this being done on April 23 last year. While externally nearly identical to the current JAS-39C/D Gripen, the JAS-39 NG demo airframe has 3,500 new parts, including a General Electric F414G turbofan, which will also be used all NG-series combat aircraft likely to be produced after 2015. With a thrust rating of more than 22,000lb (98kN), the F414G produces 20% more thrust than the Gripen’s current Volvo Aero RM12 powerplant, and will enable super-cruise performance of Mach 1.1 with air-to-air weapons. Ground testing up to full afterburner use was completed last year, and aircraft integration took place in March, 2008. Other changes to the converted B-model aircraft, which at 7 tonnes has an empty weight just 200kg (440lb) greater than the Gripen D, include a 2-tonne increase in maximum takeoff weight, to 16 tonnes. A new main landing gear housed in the wing root has freed up space for 40% more internal fuel, which will increase unrefuelled ferry range to 4,070km (2,200nm). The new undercarriage configuration also means two Terma heavy stores pylons have been added to the aircraft’s belly, with two 907kg GBU-10 laser-guided bombs being carried. This demonstration aircraft has been in the workshop since early April being readied for its second test phase. This will introduce missile approach warners and satellite communications equipment and, from later this year, an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar—Selex Galileo’s Vixen 1000ES/ES05 Raven. Saab had originally rolled out the Gripen NG with an agreement to use an RBE-2 AESA demonstrator provided by THALES, but their relationship quickly crumbled. THALES claims that it withdrew the technology as it was already under contract for the Rafale, but Kemp gives a different explanation. “The radar wasn’t good enough for what we needed to do,” he said. “The Selex radar is seriously outstanding. When you brief people on the capabilities they are astonished”. Saab and Srlrx Galileo have now formally signed a Heads of Agreement which outlines the way forward in terms of their future working arrangements. The agreement, which is initially aimed at Brazil’s Fighter programme, signifies the beginning of a long-term collaboration between the two Saab business units— Saab Aerosystems and Saab Microwave Systems, and Selex Galileo. According the Gripen International, the Brazil-specific Gripen NG is a considerably enhanced ‘net-centric’ version of the already proven and in-service Gripen C/D multi-role combat aircraft.

Bob Mason, Selex Galileo’s Executive Vice-President for Radar and Advanced Targeting, says that the Vixen 1000ES’ advantage comes from the use of a swashplate mounting, which enables the active array to be rotated by +/-100°. This beats a fixed AESA during beyond visual-range and off-boresight missile firings, and while acquiring synthetic aperture radar imagery. “We will be delivering a prototype this year for them to fly, and then will upgrade it over the next 18 months”. Developed in Edinburgh, Scotland, the new system will be demonstrated to India as well, and Saab says that the UK has already approved it for export to Brazil and India. Sweden last year clinched a deal to sell six Gripens—two Cs and four Ds—to replace some of Thailand’s Northrop Grumman F-5E/Fs. Kemp says that dislodging US suppliers from such traditional markets is the Gripen’s toughest fight. “At one time I thought that was impossible. But we are now seeing things start to change,” Kemp explained. However, economic constraints have led to Bangkok suspending plans to acquire another six. Best and final offers for Brazil’s initially 36-aircraft FX-2 contest were due for delivery on June 8, with the Swedish product again battling the Dassault Rafale and Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Block 2. “It is not just about building the aircraft: it is about developing the aircraft,” explains Kemp. “Brazil can become a partner in our development programme. The competitors have a product to offer, not a programme”. And he revealed that Saab has already held discussions with the Brazilian Defence Ministry about possible future collaboration on the development of a new fifth-generation strike aircraft. Sensing an opportunity to challenge the dominance of larger European and US manufacturers, Gripen International could pursue a joint R & D project with Brazil, India and South Africa, he added. Kemp believes that the outcome of the contests in Brazil and India could have a seismic effect on the global combat aircraft industry, potentially leading to one or two manufacturers withdrawing. “If you secure Brazil or India you’re there. If you don’t win those two, the question is: where do you find the future markets?” India’s M-MRCA contest represents “the last throw of the dice” for Russia’s United Aircraft Corp, he claims, but adds that after New Delhi’s selection “maybe it will be us, Dassault or Boeing who will opt out of the export market?” In-country flight tests of the six Indian M-MRCA candidates are expected from later this month, having slipped from an original target of April/May this year. Kemp said that a contract could still be three or four years away, and that India’s planned 2014 in-service date could drift to perhaps 2020, although his views are not shared by the other M-MRCA contenders. “The first six months took 18,” he noted. The JAS-39IN is being offered with ELTA Systems’ EL/M-2052 AESA. Closer to home, Denmark could make a selection around September or October this year, with the Gripen NG, F-35 JSF and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet in the offing. Switzerland should choose in early 2010 between the Gripen, Rafale or Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon, with best and final offers for the roughly 30-aircraft deal due in the third quarter of this year. Kemp is optimistic of a Gripen win, noting: “when you’ve got the right combat aircraft and the right price it has got to be the best solution”. Saab also hopes that it will yet be able to contest The Netherlands’ roughly 85-aircraft F-16A/B replacement, with a decision having been deferred until 2012. The Dutch air force currently favours the F-35, but Kemp questions whether the service’s desire to field a “first night of the war” combat aircraft tallies with the country’s national defence policy. The Norwegian Defence Ministry remains the focus of much discussion by Saab, which is still fiercely defending the Gripen’s calibre after the criticism it received from Oslo last November. “We were compliant on more than 1,200 requirements, but the air force were in love with the JSF,” says Kemp. “It was not a fair competition”.

Norwegian authorities had concluded that the Gripen was inferior to the Lockheed Martin F-35 JSF in most aspects of performance, and was also more expensive. Norway had been evaluating the Gripen NG as an alternative to the JSF, and Saab had high hopes of launching the NG version with the help of its Scandinavian neighbour. Saab later said that Norway had done its own simulations of the Gripen’s performance using incomplete or inaccurate data and made unwarranted assumptions about the Gripen’s lifecycle costs and attrition rate. “Only 20% of the Norwegian cost estimates are based on the facts presented in the Swedish offer,” Saab said, and also claimed that the Norwegians had discounted its industrial cooperation offer worth more than US$7 billion. In announcing its decision, the Norwegian Defence Ministry said that it had conducted a transparent, just and credible competition that was reviewed by external auditors. The evaluators made a clear recommendation in favor of the JSF, which subsequently issued a point-by-point rebuttal of Saab’s complaints about the evaluation. In 2006 and 2007, the Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon were withdrawn from the Norwegian evaluation because their manufacturers doubted the Norwegian government’s resolve to seriously consider alternatives to the JSF.

Oslo’s conclusions prompted a furious response from Saab’s Chief Executive Åke Svensson last year, who branded the evaluation process incomplete, or even faulty. Svensson also challenged a decision by evaluators to more than treble his company’s guaranteed bid price from NKr55 billion ($8.9 billion) to NKr195 billion: NKr30 billion higher than a JSF figure recently confirmed as only an estimate. Saab was also angered by Norway’s conduct of three secret simulations, which evaluators say favoured the F-35. The company subsequently launched its own series of 50 simulations involving the Gripen NG, JSF and a threat force represented by Su-35BMs, using all available data on the aircraft, countermeasures equipment and guided-missile performance. Peter Nilsson, Vice-President Operational Capabilities for Gripen International, said that the results quash Lockheed Martin’s marketing claims that the JSF is over six times more capable than current-generation combat aircraft in air-to-air combat. Noting that a four-versus-four scenario between F-35s and Su-35BMs would pit eight Raytheon AIM-120D AMRAAM beyond-visual-range missiles and eight AIM-9X Sidewinders against 48 Vympel R-77s and eight R-73Es, he commented: “They’d better be invincible. Because if you can’t get past the Su-35BMs you’ll never get to a ground target”. Saab’s in-house simulations saw the MBDA Meteor- and Diehl BGT Defence IRIS-T missile-equipped Gripen NG defeat the Su-35BM at a ratio of 1:6 to 1. “For the JSF it is the other way round,” said Nilsson. Meanwhile, Bob Kemp says that the company is taking a new approach in its bid to secure pending deals in Bulgaria, Romania and Slovakia, potentially covering a combined total of 42 aircraft. “We have been looking at our strategy for that region, recognising that there is a real, genuine financial problem,” said Kemp. “We are working closely with the Swedish government to try to come up with some innovative financing arrangements to find a way so that they can get the capability now and pay for it later”. Sweden has already leased 14 Gripen C/Ds each to the Czech Republic and Hungary. Sweden last year underlined its commitment to keep investing in the Gripen until around 2025, ordering 18 new single-seaters and 13 two-seat trainers. Fresh success on the export stage would thus help Saab/Gripen International cement its place in the combat aircraft sector, and raise the possibility that it could even develop an manned replacement for the Gripen over the coming decades. “You need to have a strategic market to propel yourself for developing the next generation of aircraft,” says Kemp. “We want to do it, and we have the skills in Saab and the Swedish industry base”.

http://officialsite.my/tempur/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=793&Itemid=2

whatever this guy is smoking i'd like to have some:)
(seriously,while there is a room for gripen in RMAF inventory,like as a replacement for F-5E/hawk mk.208,it is obvious that RMAF have some kind of fondness towards 2-engines fighter and i understand that)

JohanGrön
09-08-2009, 02:03 PM
http://officialsite.my/tempur/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=793&Itemid=2

whatever this guy is smoking i'd like to have some:)

Prasun K.Sengupta, I have heard his name before. He had some story a while ago about Israel beeing a "secret" bidder in the Indian MMRCA. I think he has an agenda of some sort, but I just can't figure it out ...

signatory
09-08-2009, 10:34 PM
All the way from Brazil:

Google-translate


PRESS RELEASE
(08/09/2009)


Program FX-2

On 06 September, the President of France, Nicolas Sarkozy, in a meeting with President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, has expressed interest in the French government to strengthen the partnership between the two countries also in the aviation industry.

He said the French government assumes, among others, a commitment to offer the Rafale aircraft to Brazil with competitive prices, reasonable and comparable with those paid by the French military.

He also stated the provision of France to acquire KC-390 aircraft, in the design phase in Embraer.

Given this new reality, the selection process of the project FX-2, led by Air Force Command, has not yet closed, will continue negotiations with the three participants, which will be elaborated and eventually redefined the proposals.

Nelson A. Jobim
Minister of State for Defense

link (https://www.defesa.gov.br/mostra_materia.php?ID_MATERIA=33409)

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Czech A-scramble photo (http://afbcaslav.cz/med/foto/zpravy/2009/alfa-zari/obr1dotjpg)

more (http://afbcaslav.cz/med/zpravy/2009/2009.htm#38)

Swingrole
09-09-2009, 12:47 AM
Given this new reality, the selection process of the project FX-2, led by Air Force Command, has not yet closed, will continue negotiations with the three participants, which will be elaborated and eventually redefined the proposals.


I guess it's more of a wishful thinking then anything else. Brazil is tossing a bone to the remaining "underdogs" to use for as leverage against the french to lower their bid even more. Sorry my friends, but there is nothing to hope for. In other words – game set and match to France...! :|

Apan76
09-09-2009, 01:34 AM
I guess it's more of a wishful thinking then anything else. Brazil is tossing a bone to the remaining "underdogs" to use for as leverage against the french to lower their bid even more. Sorry my friends, but there is nothing to hope for. In other words – game set and match to France...! :|

SAAB helped the norwegians in their negotiations against JSF, why not do it for the brazilians as well? :-*$

signatory
09-09-2009, 01:39 AM
I guess it's more of a wishful thinking then anything else. Brazil is tossing a bone to the remaining "underdogs" to use for as leverage against the french to lower their bid even more. Sorry my friends, but there is nothing to hope for. In other words – game set and match to France...! :|

Rafale has always been politically the favourite so this has nothing to do with wishful thinking or bone tossing.

It has to do with a president that just stepped on its own MoD before the evaluation was complete in order to sound like a 6ft4" tall world-leader next to Sarkozy.. but no one actually said Rafale was a winner, not even Lula. The candidates is still answering technical questions.

Most likely Brazil will go with Rafale if France can deliver a good deal but regardless the FAB and MoD has to produce a complete report for the senate and others to look at and that is why the process is still going on. Another 1.5 months perhaps.

@Apan76

Not true, Norway has not received any rebate or massive offsets by the JSF sellers. Their gov only made it sound like that.

signatory
09-09-2009, 06:52 AM
Saab held a Press briefing in India today.


Sweden's SAAB offers advanced radar with Gripen combat jet

Published: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 at 14:55 IST
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New Delhi: The race for an Indian Air Force (IAF) order for 126 combat jets in a deal worth $10 billion just got more interesting with Swedish plane maker SAAB offering an advanced version of a state-of-the-art radar with its Gripen fighter and also the wherewithal to enable its programming here.

"What we are offering is a second generation AESA (advanced extended search array radar) that incorporates a swishplate that enables it to rotate and considerably enhances its capabilities over the existing radar," Gripen International's India director Eddy de la Motte told reporters Wednesday.

"The radar will come with its software source code."

Article (http://www.samaylive.com/news/swedens-saab-offers-advanced-radar-with-gripen-combat-jet/655432.html)

NDTV journalist Vishnu Som (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080303_jetset.htm)attended the briefing and write on the open BR forum:


* The Selex Vixen radar now goes by the name ES-05 Raven ... its being co-developed with Selex Galileo, Saab Microwave Systems and Saab Aerosystems as partners.

* The beam of the radar can be tracked 100 degrees on either side courtesy the swashplate setup. Two scenarios were showcased ... in one of them ... the Gripen goes evasive post launch while still being able to track the target when other jets would easily have broken lock.

* ECCM-A/A-A/G can all take place simultaneously courtesy the interleaved set up of the radar mated to the display.

* Radar is presently on the demonstrator rig and meets expectations.
* Radar will be flight-tested in last quarter of the year.
* Gripen C/D meets all RFP requirements other than range and AESA. Both these will be showcased in NG which will be flown here in March.
* Gripen IN has 16.5 tonne max take off weight.
* Max range in excess of 4000 kms.
* Turnaround in less than 10 minutes.
* Gripen C/D has cost per flight hour of less than $3000. Statistics based on Swedish Air Force experience.
* More than 50 per cent cheaper to own and operate over the life of the aircraft than twin engine competitors
* Substantial savings over the life of the aircraft compared to F-16 ... They gave a number here which I forget.
* Gripen NG has less than 35 per cent of American components onboard.
* IAF type conversions ahead of trials will take place in late November ...
* Trials in March.

Thanks
Vishnu Som
Associate Editor and Senior Anchor, NDTV

Oh .. one more thing ... they have done 10 supercruise flights at Mach 1.2 ... most (if not all) were with 4 air to air missiles.
They have also achieved a max speed of Mach 1.6 on the NG.

I think the main point that Gripen wants to stress is that India can be a part of the Gripen NG development project. There is huge potential in developing the platform. As an example ... the core avionics of the C/D are presently running on the NG rig at just 3 per cent of the capability of the system.

Thanks
Vishnu


This is the second time in a few weeks that I hear Saab plan to fly the NG Demo in India.. it's not totally unreasonable since all extra time due to Indian delays means the aircraft is by then almost 2 years old and clearly more prepared to take part.

Apan76
09-09-2009, 10:05 AM
Saab held a Press briefing in India today.



NDTV journalist Vishnu Som (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2008/080303_jetset.htm)attended the briefing and write on the open BR forum:



This is the second time in a few weeks that I hear Saab plan to fly the NG Demo in India.. it's not totally unreasonable since all extra time due to Indian delays means the aircraft is by then almost 2 years old and clearly more prepared to take part.

Is it really reasonable to fly the NG to India over countries like Iran? What happens if they have to make an landing in Teheran will the aircraft ever leave then? Going by boat seem less risky, but beware of the pirates in the baltic sea and the red sea. p-)
I think they went by boat to South Africa in that campaign, winning concept?:)

JohanGrön
09-10-2009, 02:33 AM
I guess it's more of a wishful thinking then anything else. Brazil is tossing a bone to the remaining "underdogs" to use for as leverage against the french to lower their bid even more. Sorry my friends, but there is nothing to hope for. In other words – game set and match to France...! :|

Naa ... the fat lady hasn't even arrived at the stadium according to the journalist Luis Nassif (http://colunistas.ig.com.br/luisnassif/2009/09/09/exclusivo-o-acordo-militar-brasil-franca/) (exlusively in portuguese).
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7011/luisnassifdotgif

Article Googletranslated to english (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcolunistas.ig.com.br%2Fluisnassif%2F2009%2F09%2F09%2Fexclusivo-o-acordo-militar-brasil-franca%2F&sl=pt&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8).

Seems that Sarkozy has made all the promises (aircraft cost, fixed maintenance cost, OME of Rafale in South America, tech transfers) by himself without consulting Dassault among others! Hmm ... can you say this is an equivalent of trying a "political steal" of home base?

All those agreements have to be made by the interested parties and therefore there's still room for counter offers.

Perhaps the most angst-ridden party right now is Dassault who is sweating over promises made by Sarkozy that they know they can't live up to?


//JG

JohanGrön
09-10-2009, 02:34 AM
Is it really reasonable to fly the NG to India over countries like Iran? What happens if they have to make an landing in Teheran will the aircraft ever leave then? Going by boat seem less risky, but beware of the pirates in the baltic sea and the red sea. p-)
I think they went by boat to South Africa in that campaign, winning concept?:)

Reply removed due to misinterpretation of quote from my side.

//JG

*zeven*
09-10-2009, 11:29 AM
Is it really reasonable to fly the NG to India over countries like Iran? What happens if they have to make an landing in Teheran will the aircraft ever leave then? Going by boat seem less risky, but beware of the pirates in the baltic sea and the red sea. p-)
I think they went by boat to South Africa in that campaign, winning concept?:)

Are you serious? i really hope you're not.

2SAI Desert Rat
09-11-2009, 05:17 AM
I wonder how this will affect the IBSA (India Brazil South Africa) agreement for a new joint BVRAAM missile
developement for the Gripen?

Caprice
09-11-2009, 01:28 PM
Perhaps not news, just SAAB reaffirming that they still are in the Brazilian game...
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/108005/saab-says-still-competing-for-brazil%E2%80%99s-fx_2.html

Now that Dassault cards are on the table, thanks to Lula and Jobim, what's SAAB(and Sweden) gonna do? Just stay on the track and hope for the best or try to match the French proposal?

-Why not throw in some KC-390 also, our C-130 don't have many years left! :)

C.

energo
09-14-2009, 05:03 PM
Gripen hardsells new AESA radar, low cost for MMRCA

http://www.stratpost.com/gripen-hardsells-new-aesa-radar-low-cost-for-mmrca


B. Bolsøy
Oslo

signatory
09-15-2009, 01:03 PM
Raaaawwwrrrr!

NATO Tiger Meet 2009
Location: Kleine Brogel AB
Country: Belgium

CzAF 2 x JAS39C/D
HuAF 3 x JAS39C/D

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Win or lose ? Brazilian engineers work on Gripen anyway.



G-T.

Brazilians already working on the design of Gripen

Virginia Silveira

While the Brazilian government decided to give another opportunity for companies that participate in the selection process of new fighter aircraft that the country will buy to improve their proposals, the technology transfer that type of aircraft has begun to happen with at least one the disputants. Led by Akaer, companies Friuli, Winnstal, Minoan Imbra Aerospace and sent to Sweden a team of 20 Brazilian technicians and engineers to start working on the design of new HUNTING Swedish Gripen NG, produced by Saab Aerosystems. In the Swedish group, competing bids for the sale of 36 fighter jets to the Brazilian Air Force to Boeing and France's Dassault.

"The effective cooperation with Saab began on August 31 in order to engage all enterprises in the project, which includes the area of major technologies of the aircraft and access to all sensitive areas in the company's factory in Linköping, Sweden "said the executive director of Akaer, César Augusto da Silva. The T1, a holding company that brings together five Brazilian companies involved in the design of the new Swedish GAME, will be responsible for the design and production of the fuselage, rear fuselage and wings of the Gripen NG.

According to director of Akaer, while the successful partnership with Saab is in some way, linked to the project F-X2, the possibility for Brazil to become the launch customer for the Gripen NG, if it is chosen, this factor is not necessarily decisive for Brazilian companies remain in the development of new HUNTING. "Our companies were selected through an international competition in Saab's strategy to find international partners for the project," explains the executive.

Technology transfer in the area of structures made of composite material, according to the director of Akaer, will enable companies in Brazil to be world-class supplier of any client Gripen NG. The idea of holding to form a new aeronautical pole in Brazil in the development of intelligence and of the production cycle of aircraft, leaving the last stage of simple parts supplier.

"We are not just involved in the manufacturing process of parts, which has no value and engineering activity. The issue is not only done, but how to do this and have already started to learn by working together," said technical director Akaer, Ricardo Fontes. The exchange of information in the design, engineering and production of fighters Swedish second sources is being made with the authorization of the government of that country.

The predicted Akaer is that from next year a team of at least 150 engineers and technicians that make up the holding T1 start working in Brazil together with 20 experts in Sweden. Brazilians who are already in Sweden today, according to sources, will be working there for a period of six months.

The directors estimate that the Brazilian company devoted four years of holding the sales to reach $ 500 million and about 2.9 thousand jobs are created in the next 10 years. "If the result of the F-X2 is favorable to the Gripen, in six months will double our current headcount," said Silva. "The partnership with Saab may represent a major technological leap forward with the same meaning as the AMX was for Embraer, which has enabled the development of its successful family of regional jets."

link (http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/capa/index.php?datan=15/09/2009&page=mostra_notimpol)

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Sometimes people misunderstand or forget this, so one more time:

Gripen NG (Next Generation) is a program for the first generation of Future Gripen and it is not a product in itself.

Gripen Demonstrator is a technology demonstrator to support the Gripen NG program and continued development of the existing generation Gripens.

Gripen IN (India) is for instance a product on offer drawn from the Gripen NG program. When a NG-based product is offered to a country the system is adapted to the required delivery dates to ensure that the highest possible capability is on the table.

But to simplify it's perfectly normal to refer to Gripen NG as the common in-market name though.

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signatory
09-15-2009, 02:18 PM
More Raaaaawwwwwwrrr !

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CzAF JAS39D, NTM.

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CzAF JAS39D, NTM. (c) FreeGhost

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Soon the Tiger and Griffon fins will be joined by a flying shark :)

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Half a million

For whatever it may be worth we can also notice that this thread passed the not totally insignificant number of 500,000 views recently.

Seems to be generating some interest...

Apan76
09-16-2009, 06:30 AM
The Czechs go to Tiger Meet and have exercises at the same time at Caslav with Texas Air National Guard http://74.125.77.132/translate_c?hl=sv&sl=cs&tl=en&u=http://afbcaslav.cz/med/zpravy/2009/2009.htm&rurl=translate.google.se&usg=ALkJrhgZ-SHx5AHizTac5W4AzPkY1jinMA#39

This only a few weeks after their baltic campaign?

And they only have 14 aircrafts?

I thought Gripen needed some maintenance sometimes?

They're flying 24/7 with that aircraft!?!

smalandian
09-16-2009, 02:05 PM
First flight for Royal Thai Air Force Gripen

The first Gripen fighter for Thailand completed its maiden flight in Linköping, Sweden, today. The flight took off at 14:50 local time and lasted for 80 minutes with Saab test pilot Mats Thorbiörnsson at the controls.


2009-09-16 |
In 2008, Thailand ordered a complete aircraft and command and control system from the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) in a Government to Government deal. The order includes a first batch of six Gripen C/D with associated equipment and service, one Saab 340 aircraft equipped with Erieye radar (AEW), a Saab 340 for transport and training plus an integrated command and control system with data links.
The Royal Thai Air Force will start their training on Gripen in Sweden next year and the fighters will be delivered to Thailand in 2011.


http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7771/thaigripen12936021272dotjpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/thaigripen12936021272dotjpg/)


Image: The first Gripen for the Royal Thai Air Force on its maiden flight September 16, 2009. Photo: Stefan Kalm/Saab

Source : http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/First+flight+for+Royal+Thai+Air+Force+Gripen.htm (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/First+flight+for+Royal+Thai+Air+Force+Gripen.htm)

Caprice
09-16-2009, 02:07 PM
The first Royal Thai Airforce Gripen has flown:




The first Gripen fighter for Thailand completed its maiden flight in Linköping, Sweden, today. The flight took off at 14:50 local time and lasted for 80 minutes with Saab test pilot Mats Thorbiörnsson at the controls.
http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/First+flight+for+Royal+Thai+Air+Force+Gripen.htm

More pictures here: http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Image_base.htm

(http://gib.gripen.com/gripen/Standard/CategorySearch.jsp?recordView=SearchResult_ThumbnailView&catalogID=1&categoryID=791) C.

Edit: A little late... :)

smalandian
09-16-2009, 02:08 PM
@ Caprice: Opsss :grin:

signatory
09-16-2009, 02:57 PM
Good job guys with the updating :)

Here's the pics in jpg format and the shark as promised:

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Hires jpg (http://i27.*******.com/24px9xydotjpg)

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@Apan.. yeah the Czechs is getting the most flighthours on Gripens atm, they also went to a British airshow few days ago...

Ah btw, a Swedish Gripen has spent the last 2 weeks in the UK doing METEOR testing. Haven't seen any news article yet.

Skyman
09-17-2009, 01:13 AM
First flight!!! Oh. This is awesome. woot woot woot

Photo from RTAF internal magazine. Obviously photoshoped. ^ ^

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6194/001ovdotjpg

Hyde
09-17-2009, 06:26 AM
You know what's lame? Gripens are always painted in the same colours. I know it looks good but so does a little diversity.

energo
09-17-2009, 08:09 AM
Good job guys with the updating :)

I'll second that. :-)


B. Bolsøy
Oslo

signatory
09-17-2009, 09:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/NlYgO3_0OZY

Swingrole
09-17-2009, 09:21 AM
Brazilian engineers already working on the Gripen fighter project


While the Brazilian government decides to give another chance for the companies to improve their offers in the bid for the new fighter planes Brazil is buying, the technology transfer for this type of airplane has already begun with at least one of the competitors, Saab.


SAAB 2009-09-17
Leaded by Akaer, the companies Friuli, Winnstal, Minoica and Imbra Aerospace sent a team of 20 Brazilian engineers and technicians to Sweden to start working on the project of the new Swedish fighter, the Gripen NG, produced by Saab Aerosystems. Besides the Swedish group, the American Boeing and the French Dassault are competing to sell 36 fighters to the Brazilian Air Force.

"The actual cooperation with Saab started on August 31, with the objective of totally engaging all companies in the project, including the mastering of important technologies in the aircraft and access to all sensitive areas in the company plant in Linköping, Sweden", explains the Akaer CEO, César Augusto da Silva. T1, the holding joining the five Brazilian companies involved in the new Swedish fighter project, will be responsible for projecting and manufacturing the central and rear fuselages and wings of the Gripen NG.

According to the Akaer officer, though the success of the partnership with Saab is in a way dependent on the F-X2 project, considering the possibility that Brazil becomes the launching client of the Gripen NG if it is chosen, this factor is not necessarily decisive for the permanence of the Brazilian companies in the development of the new fighter. "Our companies were selected in an international offer within Saabs strategy of finding international partners for the project," he explains.

Technology transfer in the area of structures made of composed materials, according to the Akaer director, will enable Brazilian companies to become world-class suppliers for any client of the Gripen NG fighter. The holding's idea is to form a new aeronautical center in Brazil in the area of intelligence development and airplane production cycle, leaving behind the phase of being a mere part supplier.

"We would not be involved only in the process of making parts with no added value or engineering activity. The issue is not only making, but knowing how to make, and we have started learning that in this joint work," comments Akaer technical director Ricardo Fontes. The information exchange in the project, engineering and manufacturing areas of the Swedish fighters is being done, according to Fontes, with the authorization of the Swedish government.

Akaer predicts that as from next year a team of at least 150 engineers and technicians from the T1 holding will start working in Brazil together with 20 Swedish specialists. The Brazilians already in Sweden will work there for a six-month period, according to Fontes.

The directors of Akaer estimate that in four years the holding's turnover will reach US$ 500 million and around 2.9 thousand job posts will be created in the next 10 years. "If the F-X2 result favors the Gripen, in six months we will double the current number of collaborators," says Silva. "The partnership with Saab may be a huge technological leap with the same impact AMX had to Embraer, when they were enabled to develop their very successful family of regional jets."


Brazil will help shaping supersonic plane wings
The manager of the Structural Segments Project of the new Swedish fighter Gripen NG, materials engineer Fernando Ferraz, responsible for the area of engineering and quality in Akaer, was summoned to coordinate the training of the 20 Brazilian engineers who are in Sweden learning to decipher the technology of supersonic airplanes. "It is the first time a Brazilian company has the chance to shape the wing of a supersonic airplane."

From the manufacturing standpoint, according to the engineer, the level of requirements for the parts, which will be made of composed materials, is more critical because the parts are thicker and the materials are more resistant than those used in civil aircraft. "Akaer is quite experienced in the project and calculation areas, but with the Gripen NG program we will also acquire manufacturing know how."

One of the points highlighted by him is that during the phase of learning new technologies, the Brazilian team will be involved in the development process from the beginning. "We will use computer tools involved in the process from the initial concept to the end product." According to Ferraz, in Brazil there is still no company in the aeronautical sector, with the exception of Embraer, that can integrate the whole process of producing an important part of a plane.

The suppliers in the Brazilian aeronautical chain, according to him, have reached a very good technical level, but have managing and integration deficiencies. "This is our opportunity to change that situation. We will gain integration in a quicker way." Today, the integration is done through foreign suppliers that receive partially finished sets and finish them in Brazil.

Source SAAB: http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/brazilian_engineers_already_working_on_the_gripen_fighter_project.htm

Maktab
09-17-2009, 10:04 AM
You know what's lame? Gripens are always painted in the same colours. I know it looks good but so does a little diversity.

The SAAF Gripens are painted in a unique paint scheme, which was adapted from the pattern and colours tested and proven on the SAAF's Mirage F1 and Cheetah fleets.

But it makes sense for other customers to stick to the basic SwAF scheme, which has been proven and is known to be an effective low-viz design for the Gripen. It works, which is obviously the most important consideration.

FIA_cn
09-17-2009, 10:24 AM
awesome pics, thx!

signatory
09-17-2009, 03:52 PM
Couple of cut out comments from state secretary Håkan Jevrell's current visit to Brazil where politics is leaning towards a pro-French decision....

French, Swede or American seller.. they all pretty much sound the same down there in Brazil.

Google-translated:



"We think we have a price much, much better. Is to buy two aircraft Gripen fighters of the mark for the same price of a plane of competitors," said Jevrell. "We'll deliver a proposal even better than the first one delivered a few weeks ago." He did not disclose the value of supply of fighters.

Jevrell said that if the Swedish game is chosen, the country will offer a "line of credit very attractive" to Brazil. He is scheduled to meet later this afternoon with Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, to discuss the matter.

"The big difference between our product, we are offering to Brazil, and the other two products is that we are offering a real transfer of technology, a technology transfer with a 'hands on'. We will develop together with the Brazilian this game and we will sell it to the world, "said Deputy Defense Minister of Sweden.

According to the deputy Prime Minister of Sweden, his country "can offer a program of joint development of an aircraft with Embraer, whose main characteristic is the ability to adapt to the specific needs of each User.

He said his country not only seeks a buyer. "We seek a strategic partnership and long-term cooperation for future generations of air power and industrial development," said Jevrell.

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Jevrell will meet this afternoon with Defense Minister Nelson Jobim. The deputy minister assured that Sweden and Saab, a manufacturer of Gripen NG, are 100% committed to technology transfer to Brazil.

"Sweden can offer a program of joint development of an aircraft with Embraer, whose main characteristic is the ability to adapt to the specific needs of each User," he said.

The deputy minister assured that the proposal will be presented to the Brazilian government will be very attractive. He said that the Gripen is the one with lowest cost per life cycle. Moreover, he said, "Sweden will offer a very favorable financing to Brazil," if your game is chosen.

"The big advantage to Brazil would be able to integrate new systems to constantly hunt. The Swedish philosophy is that the cell lasts 40 years," said the president of Saab in Brazil, Bengt Janér.

"The philosophy is traditional to use a platform of 15 years and then get an update half-life," he adds. According Janér, the Swedish fighters are constantly updated as they keep the "critical mass" working.

"If you stop for 15 years, most of the staff who were involved in the project probably will no longer be working. Our philosophy is to always be scrambling to be always updated with the product," he argues.

He cites as an example, the radar today, "they are less capable of that to come, with scanning electron and heavier in terms of software.

"Our proposal will allow Brazil to be with his fighters and up to date without relying on only one supplier of equipment," says the president of Saab in Brazil.

"What we want is the development of a joint project between these two countries, giving Brazil the freedom to make changes in the future, with or without the Sweden one."




Sweden offers fighters to Brazil half the price of France and the U.S.

By Agencia EFE

Brasilia, Sep 17 (EFE) .- Sweden will give Brazil its fighter jets "half price" than those of France and the United States, with the guarantee of transferring technology and offering the possibility that the South American country amend and update the model, Swedish diplomatic sources reported today.

The Gripen NG, the Swedish company Saab, competing with the French Dassault Rafale and the F-18 Super Hornet from Boeing in a tender to sell 36 aircraft to renew the fleet of the Brazilian Air Force.

In a press conference in Brasilia, the deputy defense minister of Sweden, Hakan Jevrell today offered also a "very favorable financing" if Brazil chooses the Gripen.

Jevrell said that Sweden does not seek buyers, but "strategic partners" and said that Saab is fully committed to technology transfer, which is one of the basic requirements for choosing the winner.

"Sweden may offer a program of joint development of an aircraft, with (Brazilian) Embraer, whose main characteristic is the ability to adapt to the specific needs of each user," said the Swedish official.

According Jevrell, Saab's proposal is "very attractive" by both the price and as for the possibility that Brazil could integrate new systems "constantly" during the 40 year life of the combat aircraft.

Boeing, Dassault and Saab will have to submit their proposals until Monday next week, according to the deadline given by the Brazilian Defense Ministry.

However, Brazilian authorities have given clear indications of their preference for the French Rafale, as announced by President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva during his meeting with his French counterpart, Nicolas Sarkozy, two weeks ago.

Lula announced the initiation of negotiations for the purchase of French fighters, but later clarified that this gesture did not mean to give the tender to France, a country with which Brazil has signed another military agreement for land purchase and construction of five Brazilian submarine one of them nuclear powered.


http://www.univision.com/contentroot/wirefeeds/world/8041210.shtml
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Politica/0,,MUL1308445-5601,00-SUECIA+OFERECE+DOIS+CACAS+PELO+PRECO+DE+UM+AO+BRASIL.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/epa/article/ALeqM5iK5D0K7NSm0jPE-Zs7CG1RuWKryQ

....

(Perhaps the difficult part is to get politicians to understand that the strength of the Gripen design is the same thing some people try to criticize.. by knowingly avoiding the use of all-Swedish made components and ineffective protectionism the producer is free to choose from globally competing components for use with its own software and so reduce development time, risks and costs in order to deliver new capability to the Air Force, which is what a jet is supposed to do anyway... money and time saved on not reinventing the wheel for small series can instead be used to develop advanced tactical systems for instance... )

signatory
09-17-2009, 08:49 PM
Yesterday, the Brazilian DefMin Nelson Jobim who is often reported to be warm towards French solutions and not at all friendly to the idea of US components in their future jet responded to journalists and wrongfully informed them that Gripen NG had 47% US components and as a single-engine fighter was more unsafe than the twin competitors. He has done his best to avoid meetings with the Swedish gov during the entire process including a refusal to visit Sweden and the Saab factory while instead touring the competition.

So Sweden decided to respond through the press:




Google-Translate.
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DEFENSE NET @ September 17, 2009
Embassy of Sweden September 17, 2009

Embassy of Sweden

PROJECT F-X2

Sweden is not seeking a buyer,
Sweden seeks a strategic partnership

Sweden is not seeking a buyer in Sweden for a strategic partnership. A partnership based on a long-term cooperation for the benefit of future generations of air power and industrial development.

We believe we have the lowest tender, either in price or the transfer of technology, based on a long-term cooperation. Sweden and SAAB, together with the Brazilians, will develop an aircraft for the world market, and the Swedish government fully supports this partnership.

We are the only ones who can provide Brazil with a unique opportunity to participate in a program to develop a supersonic fighter, the possibility impossible for our competitors. This partnership with the Company is included in the supply of Gripen NG for Brazil. Our proposal includes the installation of an assembly line of the Gripen NG's Embraer, with no additional cost. The first Brazilian Gripen NG will be built in Brazil. This is actually our proposal and not only outsourcing and partial assembly, as for example, competitors have officially declared. The Swedish proposal is one that offers more job opportunities in Brazil, because it is based on the joint development and construction.

Only the joint development provides a true transfer of technology and only Sweden can offer a joint development program with the full and transparent transfer of technology. This will give Brazil the ability to design, manufacture, modification and update of all critical areas of the Gripen NG. It also means the possibility for Brazil to sell independently, the Gripen NG for Latin America and other countries with which it has influence in the world.

Sweden has a flawless record of partnerships with other countries, which is easily verifiable in relation to price, product quality and technology transfer. Our offer is very possible under economically and technically.

SAAB is renowned for delivering what it promises on the correct date and the expected quality.

The most important part of our offer is the substance of the partnership, the acquisition of new knowledge for the development of a fighter.

Adherence to the joint development of the Gripen NG is a unique opportunity for Brazil to acquire skills and knowledge to operate a game in an autonomous and independent. This is investment for the future.

We are also researching how to solve the need for training future pilots in Sweden as well as how to improve our transport plane C-130 and possibly in the future, replace them. This of course could lead to other forms of cooperation when we know that the Company has products already tested as the Super Tucano and the KC-390 project.

Independence Sweden stands out as an independent alternative for not being a country militarily aligned. We have technology and we are open to cooperation. We are offering the possibility of Brazil to have its own aircraft industry supersonic combat, something that other countries can not offer. The offer from Sweden to Brazil provides an independent alternative and flexible for the development of its future defense forces.

Sweden and Saab are 100% committed to transfer of technology.

The government of Sweden and SAAB ensure the transfer of technology in a complete and transparent. All key technologies are under our control and the Swedish SAAB has all the necessary permits from the Swedish government to present its proposal. We do not use black boxes with respect to technology transfer. We are accustomed to working together with our partners to develop the aircraft. And one of our advantages is how to adapt the aircraft for the needs of each client.

The Swedish government will not impose any restrictions on use and rely on the Brazilian government with regard to monitoring the End User Certificate. A strong point of the Gripen NG is the fact that it will be developed according to the needs of the buyer. And we will not make any restrictions on transfer of technology and meet the demand of the Brazilian government in order to be fit and manufacture future models of fighter planes.

There is a strong political commitment of the Swedish government that signed the contract and subsequent deliveries, including all software, hardware, source codes, etc. will be approved for Brazil.


The only major subsystem U.S. in this Gripen NG is the engine, mechanical item that can operate for the life cycle through the advance purchase of spare parts if necessary. The engine, in fact, is basically a commercial motor without any sensitive technology and is the same engine as the United States offered to Brazil in the F-18 Hornet.

It is argued that the disadvantage of the Gripen NG Brazil is the fact that an engine. We believe that, by contrast, is a great advantage.

1. It is a lighter aircraft that keeps the cost of the life cycle and operating costs very low.

2. In modern times we have had no engine failure with the Gripen even after 120,000 hours of flight.

3. Both the F-16 fighter jets sold in 5000 and have one JSF engine. We understand the game with an engine as the future.

It is not correct information that Gripen NG has 47% U.S. components. SAAB and Sweden controls all sensitive technology Gripen NG.

The only [SigEd: 'unique'] American component is the engine, which is basically a commercial engine and the same as was offered to you by the Boeing F18 Hornet.

Gripen NG Brazil

Gripen is the backbone of the Swedish Armed Forces for at least the next 30 years. We are currently updating our fleet with models Gripen C / D it replaced a few models A / B of the previous generation.

To be able to develop the Gripen C / D to the needs of coming decades, Parliament has decided and invested in a program, the "demonstrator" to find the best solutions for future needs. The plane is there and the flight tests conducted so far have been very successful. The Gripen NG is based on this Demonstrator. Its range is much larger than the current Gripen C / D, have more cargo capacity and a better radar system, to name a few improvements. We ourselves will use the Gripen NG.

The Swedish government is giving full support to this offer the Gripen NG made in Brazil, since we ourselves have an interest in this product, we invite Brazil to participate in the development and production together.

The demonstrator Gripen NG is already flying and with excellent results. It is the basis for the Gripen NG.

A fighter aircraft is a set of systems, and so on aircraft development, it is natural that different types of systems, subsystems, and components are tested before they decide what will best meet your demands. So from that perspective, the final version NG is an opportunity for Brazil and Sweden decide what will meet the specific needs, from the perspective of its operational requirements.

But the most important factor in the creation of modern aircraft is the knowledge and ability to integrate, validate and implement a system of systems. This ability is based on an experience of more than 100. 000 hours of flight with the Gripen and with other successful Swedish fighters over the years. Our ability is also recognized by our competitors. One example is the shooting tests with the new European missile Meteor BVR Air-to-Air, performed with the Gripen aircraft instead of the Eurofighter.

We know a lot about integration of aircraft systems. This means that different providers can offer systems that make up the aircraft. Our partners can choose which components are included in its fighter jets to suit your needs. The radar is a good example: Although there are few suppliers in the market, we were able to chose the best solution in terms of technical and economic, without any problem.

The Gripen has a reputation for delivering what it promises, and on time.

We have a record on-time delivery platform Gripen fighter jet, not only for the Swedish Air Force, but also for our other foreign customers. We have no concern with the possibility of meeting the deadlines of the FX-2. We know exactly what will be the cost of its development, operation and maintenance.

Gripen is designed to operate from air bases and remote can be maintained for recruits and a few technicians. This means that this aircraft is a simple to maintain, and requires fewer people to do it. In addition to the factors to be an aircraft lighter, with only one engine, keeps the cost of their life cycle very low. Since Sweden has always used single-engine combat aircraft, the SAAB strengthened the reliability and safety of the engine and its support system. We have cases of engine failures with the current Gripen or its predecessors.

We know exactly how much the cost of acquisition and cost of the life cycle (LCC) and we are offering the best value for money. This assessment is always done by governments seeking new options for military aviation. In the long term will be very profitable for Brazil due to industrial cooperation that we are offering.

The Gripen system is a cost of acquisition, maintenance and operation significantly lower costs compared to known or suspected of any other modern fighter aircraft. Brazil will be able to acquire and operate the double AERONOVA Gripen NG than any other competitor for the same cost, for a period of 40 years. No hunting competes with the Gripen in terms of affordability.

The game will be competitive and offer the best value for money. We are used to fulfill the agreements for transfer of technology, because the Gripen are not the only combat aircraft that have been exported from Sweden.

Regarding the financing of the F-X2, fruitful discussions were held between the SEFA, Department of Economics and Finance of the Air Force, and the Swedish authorities.

If SAAB AB is chosen as the program vendor F-X2, a provision of favorable financing will be presented by the Swedish Export Credit Corporation SEK Swedish credit corporation wholly owned by the Swedish Government, together with EKN, the Swedish government agency export credit.

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http://www.defesanet.com.br/fx2/sb_state_2.htm

Ps. From the link energo posted a few days ago:


Gripen rubbishes reports that a large part of the aircraft is US-made and also denies that the GE 414 engine will be subject to US technology transfer or End use Monitoring conditions. “We have about thirty five percent in the C/D. We have a lot less in the Gripen NG. A lot less than thirty five per cent. As we understand it, it’s related to very advanced technology, bought under the FMS (Foreign Military Sales) case, where you buy the stuff directly from the US government. And that goes for US weapons for instance, so if the Indian Air Force buys US weapons, I’m sure they’re going to be subject to End Use Monitoring. But the rest of the equipment, the Direct Commercial Sales, as we understand it, is not subject to End Use Monitoring, “he elaborates, adding, “It’s an American engine. And General Electric have provided a very comprehensive technology transfer package, so I don’t see that being affected.”



Politicans... yea we don't need them in technical debates IMO :|

livingdots
09-18-2009, 12:44 AM
That's some horrible English.

signatory
09-18-2009, 12:58 AM
That's some horrible English.

Well. Google Translate switched from computers to coked up apes recently.

Give them a chance man, it's like a jungle out there.

panik73
09-18-2009, 03:46 AM
In October these three air forces will conduct the first major collaborative Gripen-exercise in Hungary to look at ways the user groups can work together in operational ways such as shared logistics on deployment, mission planning on shared systems and shared tactical and operational training.
This will take place under exercise LION EFFORT 2009.

Lion Effort 2009 exercise will be held in LHKE Kecskemét from 5 october.

wild_wild_wes
09-18-2009, 04:06 AM
"Many people think that countries sell arms to people they wish to befriend; that is only very partially true. It is more true to say that countries tend to buy arms from nations whom they wish to be their friends, when the potential for a strategic relationship is a factor at all. This helps to explain why the F-16 became Morocco’s #1 alternative instead of (for instance) Sweden’s JAS-39 Gripen. Or cheap Russian fighters, which would be fatally compromised by Russia’s near-certain choice of Algeria and its gas reserves over Morocco in the event of a crisis."

2SAI Desert Rat
09-18-2009, 05:43 AM
You know what's lame? Gripens are always painted in the same colours. I know it looks good but so does a little diversity.

Do you want to be able to shoot them down easier?

signatory
09-18-2009, 12:46 PM
Just a note:

Brazilian DefMin Nelson Jobim fell "ill" on Thursday and couldn't meet with the Swedish representation.

For the previous attempt to meet with him he was suddenly out of town.

Don't worry about Nelson though. He is already alright today (http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/brasil/ult96u625842.shtml), as he opened up a military world games ceremony in Rio.

Maybe he has some kind of Swede-Allergy...

...

ACM Juniti Saito met the Swedish delegation though, as always.

Caprice
09-18-2009, 01:34 PM
Hm...quick recovery, I must say. :roll:
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Here's a translation of the link in Signatory's last post(I guess the translation monkeys had difficulties with the joke part):


Minister Nelson Jobim (Defesa) admitted Friday that the deadline for submission of proposals for fighter aircraft, originally scheduled for Sept. 21, could be extended by the FAB (Brazilian Air Force). Jobim avoided commenting on the Swedish proposal, which offers two fighters for the price of one. "I heard from you [the press], each day with his agony," he said during the launch of the military world games, which will be held in Rio de Janeiro in 2011.

(http://74.125.79.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/brasil/ult96u624870.shtml&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjnZdbFNTeZd_xHONJYwAac0Ob63Q)
The minister noted that the choice be made by the Air Force. Asked if the edition is advantageous offer, he joked. "That thing is it ... Sales married? You buy a bottle of beer and win four of guarana."
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.folha.uol.com.br%2Ffolha%2Fbrasil%2Fult96u625842.shtml&sl=pt&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

C.

TGIF
09-21-2009, 02:33 AM
Just a note:

Brazilian DefMin Nelson Jobim fell "ill" on Thursday and couldn't meet with the Swedish representation.

...

Maybe he has some kind of Swede-Allergy...

Jobim also made some sarcastic comments regarding the Swedish "buy one, get one for free" deal.

What kind of offer is this? You buy one beer and get four sodas for free
First off, I don't get the joke. It's perhaps lost in transation.
Second, it just underlines what Signatory already indicated. Jobim is no fan of the Swedish fighter.

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In other news, Agne Widholm, chief of investigation at the Swedish "accident investigation bureau" (statens haverikommision), confirmed what's already been stated here. There was nothing wrong with the aircraft that belly landed at Kallinge in August. The pilot forgot to extend the landing gear. The investigation will now continue to find an answer to the question: why didn't the pilot extend the landing gear? This to avoid future mishaps.

Only in Swedish:
http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/blekinge/nyheter/artikel.asp?artikel=3110265

signatory
09-21-2009, 10:22 AM
http://i34.*******.com/25z2fj8dotjpg
NTM (c) casparsmit

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Swedish Budget Proposition 2010

A considered life extension to the AMRAAM inventory beyond 2015 has been rejected.

Gov Proposing:

Begin the acquisition of METEOR beyond visual range radar-missiles.

Continued development and upgrade of JAS 39

Ordering Material System version 20 (Ed:20) To be placed 2009.

If a country pick up on a Swedish partnership offer to co-develop a E/F version the government is allowed to order 10 x JAS 39 E/F on this mandate.

Gov TODO:

To decide during 2010 on the Gripen long term plan (capability after 2020-2025 to 2040) and will return to Parliament with this proposal.

link (http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c6/13/17/16/eaca2ad0.pdf)

Yep. Not really much about details just the general idea...

The ruling gov has the political majority in Parliament.

jontew
09-21-2009, 10:32 AM
I read here http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/flygplan/article641194.ece (in swedish) that there are already brazilian engineers working at the saab factory in Linköping, hopes this leads to something...

signatory
09-21-2009, 01:06 PM
jontew, heh only the 2nd repost :) Nyteknik should be a signal that it's quite "old" news...


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Campaign Update: Brazil

The time limit for submitting bids has been extended to October 2.

This was actually requested by SAAB (but probably welcomed by all parties...)

link (http://oglobo.globo.com/servicos/viagem/central/capa/passagens.asp)

Stonewall71
09-21-2009, 03:26 PM
I read here http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/flygplan/article641194.ece (in swedish) that there are already brazilian engineers working at the saab factory in Linköping, hopes this leads to something...


must be related to this

(google translation, from Portuguese):


Brazilians already working on the design of Gripen

Participation does not depend on victory in the Saab design F-X2

Virginia Silveira writes for the "Economic Value"

While the Brazilian government decided to give another opportunity for companies that participate in the selection process of new fighter aircraft that the country will buy to improve their proposals, the technology transfer that type of aircraft has begun to happen with at least one the disputants.

Led by Akaer, companies Friuli, Winnstal, Minoan Imbra Aerospace and sent to Sweden a team of 20 Brazilian technicians and engineers to start working on the design of new fighter Swedish Gripen NG, produced by Saab Aerosystems. In the Swedish group, competing bids for the sale of 36 fighter jets to the Brazilian Air Force to Boeing and France's Dassault.

"The effective cooperation with Saab began on August 31 in order to engage all enterprises in the project, which includes the area of major technologies of the aircraft and access to all sensitive areas in the company's factory in Linköping, Sweden "said the executive director of Akaer, César Augusto da Silva.

The T1, a holding company that brings together five Brazilian companies involved in the design of new Swedish game, will be responsible for the design and production of the fuselage, rear fuselage and wings of the Gripen NG.

According to director of Akaer, while the successful partnership with Saab is in some way, linked to the project F-X2, the possibility for Brazil to become the launch customer for the Gripen NG, if it is chosen, this factor is not necessarily decisive for Brazilian companies remain in developing the new game.

"Our companies were selected through an international competition in Saab's strategy to find international partners for the project," explains the executive.

Technology transfer in the area of structures made of composite material, according to the director of Akaer, will enable companies in Brazil to be world-class supplier of any client Gripen NG. The idea of holding to form a new aeronautical pole in Brazil in the development of intelligence and of the production cycle of aircraft, leaving the last stage of simple parts supplier.

"We are not just involved in the manufacturing process of parts, which has no value and engineering activity. The issue is not only done, but how to do this and have already started to learn by working together," said technical director Akaer, Ricardo Fontes. The exchange of information in the design, engineering and production of the Swedish fighters, according to sources, is being made with the authorization of the government of that country.

The predicted Akaer is that from next year a team of at least 150 engineers and technicians that make up the holding T1 start working in Brazil together with 20 experts in Sweden. Brazilians who are already in Sweden today, according to sources, will be working there for a period of six months.

The directors estimate that the Brazilian company devoted four years of holding the sales to reach $ 500 million and about 2.9 thousand jobs are created in the next 10 years. "If the result of the F-X2 is favorable to the Gripen, in six months will double our current headcount," said Silva.

"The partnership with Saab may represent a major technological leap forward with the same significance as the AMX had to Embraer, which enabled the development of its successful family of regional jets."

JohanGrön
09-22-2009, 02:04 AM
http://i34.*******.com/25z2fj8dotjpg
NTM (c) casparsmit


It looks like they have put a "tiger" cover over the ejection seat aswell.

They must have put a rattmuff on the stick too :)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6061/pict0208dotjpg

TGIF
09-22-2009, 11:26 AM
Campaign Update: Brazil

The time limit for submitting bids has been extended to October 2.

This was actually requested by SAAB (but probably welcomed by all parties...)

link (http://oglobo.globo.com/servicos/viagem/central/capa/passagens.asp)
The link seems to be broken.

Saab CEO Åke Svensson told Swedish newspaper DN that Saab did not request an extension of the deadline. "We were in fact ready to hand it in yesterday (the 21st)".

signatory
09-22-2009, 12:42 PM
The link seems to be broken.

Saab CEO Åke Svensson told Swedish newspaper DN that Saab did not request an extension of the deadline. "We were in fact ready to hand it in yesterday (the 21st)".

yep....


UPDATE 1-Saab denies asking Brazil for more time on bid

* Brazil now says request came from all the bidders

* Bidding process extended by two weeks (Adds new Brazil air force statement)

STOCKHOLM, Sept 22 (*******) - Swedish defense and aerospace firm Saab (SAABb.ST) on Tuesday denied requesting an extended deadline from Brazil's air force in the tender for the country's next-generation fighter jets.

The Brazilian air force, which said on Monday that Saab had asked for more time, changed its tune on Tuesday, saying the request had come from all the bidders.

The other two finalists in the bidding process are France's Dassault Aviation (AVMD.PA) and U.S. aircraft manufacturer Boeing Co (BA.N).

Saab's top executive, Ake Svensson, told a press conference that the company had not requested a delay. He said Saab could have handed in the tender on Monday, when it received notice that the bidding process would be extended by two weeks.

The new deadline is Oct. 2.

The Brazilian air force said in a statement on Monday that Saab had asked for more time to present improved bids. [ID:nN21282585] But on Tuesday the air force said in a statement on its Web site that the extension had been requested by all "the competing companies."

An air force spokesman told ******* he could not explain the correction.


http://www.*******.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSN2234654520090922

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JohanGrön, they even put something over the HUD :)

Stonewall71
09-22-2009, 12:46 PM
this is turning into a REAL Brazilian Soap Opera

alvedon
09-22-2009, 06:36 PM
Brazil's president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, said the air force would analyze the proposals from a technological standpoint. But he said the final decision was his and would be based on political and strategic considerations.

hmm so basically its Silvas decision...

Stonewall71
09-23-2009, 01:03 PM
Everything indicates Dassault will win the cake.

Prorogation of dates is basically a way to put more pressure in the french so that they lower the price a little bit more.

signatory
09-28-2009, 10:09 AM
Clarification: In the Budget proposition (http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c6/13/17/16/eaca2ad0.pdf) issued last week the Government ask from the Parliament to approve a early purchase of Gripen NG (E/F) to the Swedish Air Force if Brazil or any other country selects the NG during the budget year 2010. The Gov has political majority in Parliament.

Regardless if a country selects NG or not during 2010 the Gov will propose a significant capability upgrade to the SwAF Gripen system in 2010.

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In Brazil, Embraer has repeated their opinion on F-X2.

And DefMin Nelson is still rushing to attack anything that might be good for Gripen in the press. Now it's also bad that the industry has an opinion.

G-T


HUNTS - Embraer is favorable for the purchase of Swedish fighters / Virginia Silveira

Embraer considers the Swedish Gripen fighter's point of view of technology transfer, the best option for the company to establish a strategic partnership in the context of the F-X2.

The contract provides for the purchase of 36 fighter aircraft, worth U.S. $ 2 billion, is also disputed by the French Dassault with Rafale and the Boeing, the F-18 Super Hornet.

"We evaluated the three proposals, the application of FAB and saw that the offer of the Swedish company Saab is going to Brazil to ensure the pooling of knowledge and technology within the premise on the job doing", ie learning by doing, "said Deputy Chief Executive for the defense market the company, Orlando José Ferreira Neto.

The executive assumes that the Gripen NG, more advanced version of the Gripen C / D, and that is not manufactured, it is the only one that offers opportunity for Brazil to begin developing a game from scratch. "We are not interested in producing pieces. We seek the field of knowledge that we do not have and that will be useful in the development of future aircraft."

The statement Fer is shared by most of the companies that make up the aerospace supply chain in Sao Jose dos Campos. "We will leave the condition of small businesses dependent on the Jets a consolidated vertically, can provide the integrated complex, not only for the Company as to the foreign market," said chief executive Akaer, César Augusto da Silva.

Akaer is part of holding T-1, which comprises the five Brazilian companies involved in the design of new Swedish game and will be responsible for the design and production of the fuselage, rear fuselage and wings. The fuselage of the fighter, according to Silva, is the most complex ever made in Brazil, because it involves high-tech systems, as an alloy of art and advanced materials, like compost. "The price we pay for the fighters now return to the Brazilian companies in the form of jobs and new technologies." In five years, according to Silva, T-1 estimated to be able to export $ 500 million and create 2900 direct jobs in Brazil.

For Embraer, the program of a new supersonic fighter will also bring technological benefits. "We are interested in the technologies involved in a supersonic flight and the use of advanced materials to face the new challenges they pose to aircraft manufacturers," said Ferreira Neto.

The technology of next generation radar, found in fighter jets, according to Ferreira Neto, could also be used in civil aviation. Another area of learning is the system that optimizes fuel consumption. "The F-X2 program can bring information important development, which will have application in aircraft cargo KC-390, we are doing to the FAB."

The capacity of the domestic industry, according to Ferreira Neto, it is essential to ensure the country's autonomy in the future to make changes in aircraft that FAB will acquire and build a new fighter. "The proposed transfer of technology must be based on that tripod: autonomy, capacity building of national industry and prepare for new challenges."

The proposal of the French Rafale and the American F-18, according to the Embraer Executive, is to supply ready-made aircraft, which limits the participation of industry in development activities of new technologies.


link (http://www.global21.com.br/materias/materia.asp?cod=26616&tipo=noticia)

G-T


Jobim said that the choice of fighters will not be influenced by Embraer

Posted on 28/09/2009 at 10h47m
Henrique Gomes Batista

RIO - Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said on Monday that it will not take into account the opinion of Embraer jets in the choice of the Brazilian Air Force (FAB). The company had argued that the best choice would be the government's Gripen NG, the Swedish Saab, because of the advantages with the proposal for greater technology transfer.

"Who decides this is the Brazilian government. And the Company is not the Brazilian government - said Jobim

The government has defended the proposed sale of France. On Friday Nelson Jobim said the accident involving two fighter Rafale, manufactured by Dassault, does not interfere in negotiations to buy the planes from French company.



link (http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2009/09/28/jobim-diz-que-escolha-dos-cacas-nao-sera-influenciada-por-embraer-767808687.asp)

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Defesa@Net posted this image that show where key sub-components would be built for a BR version. And it lists core capabilities where they would be tech sharing.

It's not totally known if this marketing material was knowingly leaked to the site but that's more than likely IMO. Nothing really secret about it anyway being a simple overview of already reported news.

http://i37.*******.com/radvtxdotjpg

link (http://www.defesanet.com.br/fx2/tech_transfer.htm)

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Sweden's Gripen International considers Thai maintenance centre

STOCKHOLM, Sept 27 (TNA) -- Sweden’s Gripen International, which earlier sold six fighter aircrafts to the Royal Thai Air Force, is expected to invest in setting up a maintenance centre in Thailand, according to Thai Industry Minister Charnchai Chairungrueng.

Mr Charnchai’s remarks were made after meeting senior executives of the firm, which has supplied fighter planes to a number of countries, saying the firm wants to invest in establishing an aviation information and maintenance centre.

He said the company would seek investment details from the Thai government’s Board of Investment (BoI).

Thailand purchased six fighter aircraft from Gripen in October 2007, Mr Charnchai said, adding that if the maintenance centre is set up by the company, Thailand would receive both new foreign investment and also innovative technology. (TNA)

Business News : Last Update : 19:32:19 27 September 2009 (GMT+7:00)

link (http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=12021)

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This goes hand in hand with comments by SAAB that the company is looking to create new regional home markets rather than just export to individual countries. South Africa is viewed as the first new such 'home market' outside Sweden. Thailand was mentioned just recently as a country where SAAB hopes to establish a new home. Goes beyond traditional (Gripen) offsets but they can for sure act as a catalyst.

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FMV issues RFI-Q for METEOR maintenance report (LCC)

Ahead of the governmentally supported METEOR missile acquisition the Defense Material Administration will analyze the maintenance costs (documentation,
test equipment, packaging, handling equipment, spare equipment, tools, etc) of the system to take into account all associated costs.

link (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=4848)

signatory
09-28-2009, 03:29 PM
Post #2 Monday.

AKAER engineers in Sweden

http://i33.*******.com/359i6x2dotjpg

http://i37.*******.com/r8v5nsdotjpg

Excerpts of Alide interview with CEO César Silva :

G-T.


ALIDE: For Akaer which the great project here that is more motivating them?

CS: Undeniably the work of the project of the new wing in carbon fiber.


ALIDE: In the Gripen C / D who designed the wing and took all these steps to test?

CS: They were all made by the very Saab. For many years, this happened, the technology has changed completely, new materials and techniques have emerged. That's what makes this project, something totally different from what has gone before. All parts of the NG will be new, and the technology far more advanced.


ALIDE: Saab announced that the Gripen NG have an acquisition cost that is half that proposed by the French for the Rafale, is this true?

CS: Of course it is! Even further, the operational cost of NG will be the home of a quarter of the cost of hunting French! The decision to use just one engine in our plane was a big advantage. Americans agree with us because the future F-35 also has only one engine. The twin has a cost of approximately U.S. $ 16,000.00 per hour of flight, while our model is no more than U.S. $ 4500.00 per hour of flight. So I have no doubt that the FAB or even the Gripen NG.

NG is being designed with a focus on reducing Life Cycle Costs (LCC - the total cost-of-life parameter which includes costs of purchase, operation and modernization). No country, especially Brazil, can afford to "burn money" for nothing. If you have already been reviewed in the press that all the contenders of the F-X2 meet the technical requirements of the FAB, why someone chooses precisely the more expensive model?


ALIDE: How will the transfer of technology in F-X2?

CS: Transfer of technology is always a very tricky thing, is not a process "generic" and many manufacturers say that transfer technology knowing full well that will not transfer anything. For Brazil the most attractive themes are undoubtedly systems flight control and mission control, because the productive integration we are quite developed. The relationship with Saab assured to Brazil have here a rig (simulator with sensors, dashboard, navigation systems and weapons) of the complete aircraft system similar to what will exist in Sweden. The source code of the new model will be open to Brazil, and will be jointly developed here for the next five years. So if a naval version is requested by the Ministry of Defense we have the capacity to develop it, regardless, here in Brazil. We know change the software and can create new versions without the help of anyone else.


ALIDE: The period of initial delivery of the first aircraft in 2014 is too narrow for the Gripen NG

CS: I think not, we speak of the Saab, a company with extensive experience, and Gripen NG, a model that is a variation of an earlier and still in production. Our plan is to have the four seeded NG prototypes flying in 2011 and the first planes seeded production being delivered in 2014. At the end of the certification program is expected that three of the four "heads-of-series", are eventually sold to customers of the model.



link (http://www.alide.com.br/joomla/index.php/capa/75-extra/717-alide-entrevista-cesar-silva-akaer)

Video Gripen NG for Brasil (http://saab.picsearch.tv/?cat=&q=&bandwidth=high&lmediaid=&order=posted&mediaid=_2_yDOggNZ8ntAeHOthS9g)

tidls
09-29-2009, 05:29 PM
:-P

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/BrazGrip3-2dotjpg?t=1254294138

Skyman
09-30-2009, 03:25 PM
link (http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=12021)

^

This goes hand in hand with comments by SAAB that the company is looking to create new regional home markets rather than just export to individual countries. South Africa is viewed as the first new such 'home market' outside Sweden. Thailand was mentioned just recently as a country where SAAB hopes to establish a new home. Goes beyond traditional (Gripen) offsets but they can for sure act as a catalyst.



Thailand now will operate around 8 Saab 340 from both RTAF and civil airline also. All of this should be a good chance if Thai aerospace industry could absorb high technology to develop further. :)

signatory
10-01-2009, 11:55 AM
Nice tidls.




Denel Dynamics delivers first A-Darter missile for testing to SAAB

By: Esmarie Swanepoel
1st October 2009

The missiles and unmanned air vehicle (UAV) business unit of Denel, Denel Dynamics, on Thursday reported that the first System Avionics Test Missile (SATM) was delivered for testing to SAAB Aerospace Systems in Sweden, at end of September.

The SATM would be used for missile/aircraft integration testing on the Gripen, both on the ground and in captive flight. It would be used to test the functional interface between the A-Darter missile and the Gripen aircraft, which includes the modification and verification of the aircraft software to be able to use the A-Darter missiles on the Gripen.

“This delivery is significant as it demonstrates the level of maturity of the missile design and its subsystems at this stage of the development programme, and pave the way for the first live test firings of A-Darter from the Gripen in 2010,” said Denel Dynamics executive manager for air-to-air programmes Denise Wilson.

Denel Dynamics was under contract to develop the A-Darter fifth generation air-to-air missile. This was a highly agile missile with imaging infrared seeker technology.

This was a bi-national programme undertaken in partnership with the Brazilian Air Force, through the South African defence procurement agency, Armscor. The initial fighter aircraft for integration were the Gripen for the South African Air Force, and the F-5BR for the Brazilian Air Force.

The successful integration of the advanced A-Darter with the modern Gripen avionics system is a key activity on the programme.

Further, significant export opportunities existed for this product into further markets as well, said Denel Dynamics.

Now in the third year of a five-and-a-half-year development programme, the A-Darter programme provides some 200 direct jobs at Denel Dynamics, and up to 1200 indirect jobs in the wider South African industry.

“This impact on job creation from Denel Dynamics in a sector that is currently experiencing a global skills shortage is an important South African contribution,” said Denel Dynamics CEO Jan Wessels.

link (http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/denel-dynamics-delivers-first-a-darter-missile-for-testing-to-saab-2009-10-01)


System Features

High agility to handle the closest of close combats
A thermal imaging seeker with high sensitivity and a multi-mode ECCM suite
A low-drag, wingless airframe, ensuring ranges far beyond those of traditional short-range missiles
Lock-on after launch and memory-tracking capabilities
A lightweight design compatible with traditional Sidewinder stations


http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2024/airaamadartercutawaylg.thdotgif (http://img230.imageshack.us/i/airaamadartercutawaylgdotgif/)

tidls
10-01-2009, 01:44 PM
Nice tidls.

Thanks Sig!:)

There isn't too many places to post these so I'll post them here. Hope it's ok? It's been rather quiet on the Gripen's chances in Switzerland. Perhaps the bottom pic will be of interest to some? Also, the link at the bottom shows a Gripen in Indian markings.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/GripenDemo_05-7dotjpg?t=1254418827
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/gripswiss2-5dotjpg?t=1254475646

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/gripindia1-1dotjpg?t=1254475767

TGIF
10-02-2009, 07:07 AM
A video regarding Gripen NG Brazil from Defesanet.com.br

Unfortunately, translate.google.com won’t work on Youtube. Perhaps some Portuguese fellow MP-netter might contribute with a rough translation? Some nice video sequences though with the Gripen and R-99.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pxZ2fTUkc0

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According to Swedish media, Saab CEO Åke Svensson is in Brasilia today together with the Swedish State Secretary of Defence Håkan Jevrell to hand over Saab's Best and Final Offer. The offer will be presented today 1700 CET at the Swedish embassy.

signatory
10-02-2009, 07:49 AM
A video regarding Gripen NG Brazil from Defesanet.com.br

Unfortunately, translate.google.com won’t work on Youtube. Perhaps some Portuguese fellow MP-netter might

I already posted a translated version in a post above.

It's a direct link from Saab's web so no preview.

TGIF
10-02-2009, 07:52 AM
I already posted a translated version in a post above.

It's a direct link from Saab's web so no preview.
Thanks! Sorry about the double post.

signatory
10-02-2009, 11:35 AM
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Enhanced Gripen proposal to Brazil
[2009-10-02 17:00]

Saab has submitted an update on the proposal offering 36 Gripen Next Generation (NG) to the Brazilian Air Force (FAB).

The updated proposal fulfils all the requirements stated by Brazil to develop, manufacture, operate, maintain and upgrade an independent multi-role fighter, together with an extensive industrial package with full transfer of technology. This will give Brazil the opportunity to be involved in the development as well as to include a significant number of Brazilian suppliers in Gripen NG aircraft.

"This will be a perfect match built on complementing abilities and technological excellence. A commitment from Sweden to Brazil delivers independence and not dependence. The unique industrial offset package means a direct involvement for Brazilian companies in the development, production and maintenance of Gripen NG. This will create and maintain high technology work opportunities in Brazil," says Saab CEO Åke Svensson.

The updated proposal outlines its advantages for the Brazilian Air Force and Brazilian industry and includes:

http://i37.*******.com/o6d9wpdotjpg

A comprehensive Technology Transfer
Full access to and complete involvement in the Gripen NG development programme.
Complete Technology Transfer through joint development of the Gripen NG, giving national autonomy and independence in the design, development, manufacture and through-life support of Gripen NG and future generation fighters.
Independence in terms of choice of weapons and systems integration.
Production in Brazil of up to 80% of Gripen NG airframes.
Creation of a full Gripen NG assembly line in Brazil.
Full maintenance capability in Brazil for the Gripen NG engine.

A unique competitive partnership
Brazil will have the sales lead for Gripen NG in Latin America with joint opportunities for the rest of the world.
Sweden´s commitment to take deliveries of Gripen NG aircraft in line with Brazilian time frames.
Sweden´s intention to evaluate the KC-390 transport aircraft for long-term tactical air transport needs.
Saab´s ambition to join the transport aircraft KC-390 development programme as a strategic partner, including support in international marketing.
A commitment from Saab to deliver over 175% of the total value in industrial co-operation to Brazilian industry.
Saab proposes to replace the Swedish Air Force fleet of SK 60/Saab 105 trainers with the Super Tucano.

A cost-effective solution
A firm and highly competitive proposal for a long-term financing for the full FX-2 contract value from the Swedish Export Credit Corporation, a financial institution wholly owned by the Swedish Government.
Significantly lower acquisition, support and operating costs compared to the competition due to the optimised design, highly efficient manufacturing processes and ease of maintenance and support.

http://i34.*******.com/kd0rqvdotjpg

About Gripen Next Generation
When entering operation, Gripen NG will be one of the most advanced fighter aircraft in the world utilizing the latest technology. Gripen NG is the next generation Gripen, an enhanced version of the well established multi-role fighter which has proven low acquisition, operation, and support costs. The Gripen NG programme covers development of avionics and all major sensors, including AESA radar. The aircraft will have increased thrust, increased payload, and extended range in excess of 4 000 km, whilst maintaining the lowest cost of ownership.


link (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/saab_delivers_the_perfect_match_to_brazil.htm)

signatory
10-03-2009, 08:50 AM
Google translated columnist.


FSP, 03/10
Sweden improvement fighter proposal and attracts Lula

Air Force officials send to the president on film Gripen, Embraer also expresses a preference for the plane Swedish Government plans to make way for the President to Stockholm next Tuesday to convince him of the advantages of its jet

ELIANE CANTANHÊDE
COLUMNIST SHEET

The FX-2 program of fleet renewal of Brazilian fighters entered the final stages yesterday when all three finalists have formalized their final proposals to the Air Force, with better prices and conditions. The Rafale, the French company Dassault, is the preferred policy area, but the Gripen NG, the Swedish Saab, still in the running to be cheaper and offer more technology transfer.

The third competitor is the F-18 Super Hornet, the U.S. Boeing, had, including the market, as virtually out of contention.

Despite the political preference of the plateau and the Defense of France, Lula took a flight from abroad to see a short flash movie (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/gripen_ng_brazil_and_sweden_partnership_to_the_future.htm)of five minutes of Saab in Portuguese on the Gripen NG. According to Folha, he said, "Wow, I did not know that!"

(...That's because your MoD is refusing to meet with Swedish representatives! /sig)

This same film, shown yesterday at the Swedish Embassy for journalists, said in brief that the domestic industry will be responsible for 40% of the development of the Gripen NG and that Brazil could export the plane to South America and its traditional partners, and provide parts for all the Swedish Gripen sold "to the entire planet."

The movie was "smuggled" to Lula by Air Force officials, who see advantages in the Gripen NG to be an ongoing project that already counts with the participation of Brazilian technicians.

Pilots of the country have flown in the "concept demonstrator", a sort of preview of the plane, whose manufacture in Brazil is made from the start, with the first delivery in 2014. And with 175% of trade-industrial and research for the value of the package.

Also the dome Embraer has expressed support for the Swedish package. The company will be directly benefited by the transfer of technology and become the supplier of parts for fighter planes.

Saab representatives complain that Minister Nelson Jobim, primarily responsible for conducting the process, visited military installations in France, the USA and even Russia (whose Sukkoi was disqualified), but was not to Sweden.

On Tuesday, Lula will be in Stockholm for the 3rd Summit of EU-Brazil. The question of the fighters will be a priority of the Swedish government to support a discrete and CEO.

The latest manifestation of the governments of both Brazil and France were that the business goes to the Rafale in the wake of the package of submarines and helicopters, estimated at $ 20 billion.

Only there is no apparent signs in favor of the F-18, considered the most sophisticated in the world. The Brazilian government does not believe the promises of U.S. real transfer of technology. A new fact is that the American Trans States Holding has announced the purchase of one hundred commuters Mitsubishi Aircraft, Japan. The company has never exported aircraft, unlike Embraer, one of the largest manufacturers of such aircraft.

FAB Team will prepare the final report to be submitted to the High Command of the Air Force. The result will go to defense, Plateau and the National Defense Council. The decision is Lula.


login required (https://acesso.uol.com.br/login.html?dest=CONTENT&url=http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/fsp/brasil/fc0310200913.htm&COD_PRODUTO=7)

Alternative source (http://www.global21.com.br/materias/materia.asp?cod=26709&tipo=noticia)

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SATNIK
10-03-2009, 09:35 AM
5.10.2009. members of Swedish air force will visit 91.air base of Croatian Air-Force.
its plan for joint flight of Swedish&Croatian pilot in a two sitter Gripen D from Swedish AF.
I hope something is cooking here for CAF
I will post some pic here when time come

signatory
10-03-2009, 11:32 AM
5.10.2009. members of Swedish air force will visit 91.air base of Croatian Air-Force.
its plan for joint flight of Swedish&Croatian pilot in a two sitter Gripen D from Swedish AF.
I hope something is cooking here for CAF
I will post some pic here when time come

Sounds good!

It will probably happen due to the Lion Effort multinational Gripen exercise in Hungary starting that week.

SATNIK
10-05-2009, 02:55 PM
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9635/posjethrz051020091dotjpghttp://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2213/posjethrz051020095dotjpghttp://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7595/posjethrz0510200910dotjpghttp://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2931/posjethrz0510200919dotjpghttp://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8993/posjethrz0510200916dotjpgas i promised!, for more pics check link
http://www.morh.hr/hr/vijesti-najave-i-priopcenja/vijesti/svedski-vojni-zrakoplovi-gripen-na-plesu.html#foto (http://www.morh.hr/hr/vijesti-najave-i-priopcenja/vijesti/svedski-vojni-zrakoplovi-gripen-na-plesu.html#foto)
for hi-res pic go to: -slika za preuzimanje-

They flow directly from Sweden and after visit they flow to Lion Effort Hungary, one of Sweden pilot is a Croatian desent:)
Our pilot is very happy with joint flight!

signatory
10-05-2009, 04:57 PM
They flow directly from Sweden and after visit they flow to Lion Effort Hungary, one of Sweden pilot is a Croatian desent:)
Our pilot is very happy with joint flight!

Thanks! Good to see.

Found a VIDEO (http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/svedski-piloti-hrvatskim-kolegama-predstavili-gripen.html)here.

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Google-translate:


New research lowers the maintenance cost for the JAS Gripen

2009-10-05 16:08
New research lowers the maintenance cost for the JAS Gripen

Researchers from Luleå University of Technology are developing in conjunction with Saab Aerotech new IT infrastructure to reduce costs of maintaining the next generation JAS 39 Gripen. Behind the development project is the aviation industry ongoing change in business model, rather than simply providing aircraft sales and flight availability.

- When Saab increasing focus on selling integrated solutions and function of commitments where maintenance costs are a business-critical part, requires an adaptation of technologies and development methods, says Olov Candell, technology development manager at the Technical Operations at Saab Aerotech. The research at Luleå has the width that we demand and are unique in the combination of IT and maintenance.

A year ago, Saab signed a contract with the Defense Material Administration, where Saab, as the main supplier, takes over responsibility for operation and maintenance of defense and SK60-trainer and to keep them in the air working order. The agreement means that Saab, instead of planes now sells flight hours and availability to the armed forces. This leads to increased demands for Saab and Saab's customers to provide relevant operational and maintenance information on-line to better control the maintenance process.

The development project with Luleå University of Technology aims to improve the control of aircraft availability and maintenance costs and to reduce the business risks associated with taking over maintenance of the aircraft. Together with the researchers Saab want to improve the existing infrastructure for data and information exchange between operators and suppliers.

- The infrastructure must be able to deliver maintenance-related information technology services for data exchange on-line. It is therefore necessary to provide operators with information such as the airplane's medical condition, need spare parts, the remaining life of various system units and maintenance requirements, "says researcher Karin Ramin leading the development project.

The services will also be adapted to many different actors demands for information and help to streamline decision-making needs of all those involved in the maintenance of the JAS 39 Gripen. That information is a situation adapted and available in real time, is especially important for complex technical systems that fighter aircraft operating in extreme conditions.

JAS 39 Gripen is already equipped with an integrated system of computers and sensors that continuously collect large amounts of data in flight, making the possibility of enhancing the availability of relevant data, very good. It's about data quickly, easily and in selected parts will be made available for monitoring and analysis of the operator and a host of other stakeholders such as suppliers and subcontractors.

The project eMaintenance - infrastructure for improved information logistics has a budget of 8.5 million and is financed by VINNOVA national flight research programs and Saab Aerotech.

Disclosure: Ramin Karim, PhD, Luleå University of Technology, 070 - 523 99 99 or Olov Candell, Saab Aerotech, 073 to 418 17 39th


link (http://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/pressroom/lulea_tekniska_universitet/pressrelease/view/ny-forskning-saenker-underhaallskostnad-foer-jas-gripen-326150)

SATNIK
10-05-2009, 05:41 PM
One interesting point of our pilot:
He said that first time in his life he is not sweaty when he finish his flight.In MIGs when he finish he is full of sweat and flight suit is all wet.
thanks for vid ! as you say is good to see !

signatory
10-05-2009, 06:39 PM
One interesting point of our pilot:
He said that first time in his life he is not sweaty when he finish his flight.In MIGs when he finish he is full of sweat and flight suit is all wet.
thanks for vid ! as you say is good to see !

Heh. Yeah maybe it has more to do with the the Tactical Flight Combat Suit than the jet... I've seen the Swedish military claim they have the best 'G-suit' (http://www.germa.se/fp_sweden.php?nids=YTo2OntpOjA7aTo0O2k6MTtpOjE5O2k6MjtpOjM5O2k6MztzOjI6IjQ5IjtpOjQ7aTowO2k6NTtpOjU7fQ==)in the world, I don't know if that is true or not but it is a relatively new design produced with Gripen's rapid and high sustained G forces in mind with some automatic pressure control + air ventilation. To become a Gripen driver the pilots has to sustain 15 seconds of 9G...

Apan76
10-06-2009, 06:59 AM
Tiger meet update
Full article: http://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=cs&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fafbcaslav.cz%2Fmed%2Fzpravy%2F2009%2F2009.htm

Reliable aircraft:


During the 10 days we had a flight scheduled for 38 missions. The end we flew 37 and only one case we are due to a technical failure of one mission canceled. Thus we have achieved through the technical reliability of 97% and this number is really unprecedented. During these missions, all six pilots got back to some level of training, where they were before the mission. I note that in just 12 days of exercise.

Loke2
10-06-2009, 09:29 AM
Caslav - The supersonic Jas-39 Gripens, leased from Sweden, should stay in the Czech military's armament even after 2015 when the contract expires, as they did well during their recent participation in the protection of the air space of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, Deputy Defence Minister Frantisek Padelek told journalists today.

It was the first foreign mission of the Czech tactical air force after World War Two.
"The Czech military air force mission in the Baltics can be considered a regular test of the high technological standard of our tactical air force outside the country," Padelek said.
"One can say with pride that the test was successful. The Czech aircraft perfectly fulfilled their tasks, which is another vital argument for the decision that the Czech Republic should have the supersonic fleet even after the lease of the Gripens ends in 2015," Padelek said.
NATO has been securing the protection of the Baltic air space since April 2004. The Baltic nations do not have their own supersonic aircraft and they are considered NATO's border with Russia.
The Czech Republic fulfilled the task as the 14th NATO country from May to September this year. There were four Gripen fighters along with 75 logistics staff of the contingent in Lithuania.
In all, the pilots flew 404 hours, including eight emergency flights. On one occasion, they accompanied a civilian ultra light plane with German matriculation and they watched seven times Russian aircraft.
The Czech Republic leased 14 Gripens from Sweden for some 20 billion crowns. The contract was signed in 2004. The Gripens arrived in the Czech Republic in 2005, replacing the outdated Soviet-made MiG-21s.
($1=17.146 crowns)


http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/zpravy/czech-air-force-to-keep-gripens-after-2015-defence-ministry/401231

ostrogot
10-07-2009, 02:22 PM
. To become a Gripen driver the pilots has to sustain 15 seconds of 9G...

I don´t recommend them to ask their physician for an X-ray of their heart during the 9 g. If they see it they might ask for transit to helicopters!

Caprice
10-07-2009, 03:54 PM
Another Indian (Shiv Aroor, a TV journalist in Delhi) have been taken to the skies in a Gripen:

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/10/two-thumbs-up-in-gripen.html
(As posted by 21Ankush over at The Aviation forum MMRCA thread)

C.

JohanGrön
10-08-2009, 02:39 AM
Another Indian (Shiv Aroor, a TV journalist in Delhi) have been taken to the skies in a Gripen:

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/10/two-thumbs-up-in-gripen.html
(As posted by 21Ankush over at The Aviation forum MMRCA thread)

C.

Here is another post (http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/10/flying-gripen.html) of the same journalist on the same event. More photos coming to the weekend I guess.


I don´t recommend them to ask their physician for an X-ray of their heart during the 9 g. If they see it they might ask for transit to helicopters!

If it was possible to X-ray them at the time they were pulling high G's they would find out that the whole heart is banana shaped during that phase. And their intestines are very funny looking aswell.

I learned a trick from a mechanic at F10 in the good old days (Draken rulez) : he did not have to look at the G-meter in the plane to tell that the pilots were lying about how many G's they had pulled on their last sortie. The oxygen mask harness made a distinct imprint in their faces and he learned to translate the size of the imprint to the various G-levels they had subjected themselves and their fighter to p-)

//JG

signatory
10-08-2009, 02:41 AM
Move it Angel...

http://i35.*******.com/2z7rjx4dotjpg

You're blocking the view.

Note: Clothes company Alpha Industries shooting some new photos at Kecskemét AFB.

(I bet those are fake btw)

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SAAF to acquire Paveway II guided munitions

Tuesday, 06 October 2009

The SAAF intends arming its new Saab Gripen fighters with the Paveway II laser-guided bomb (LGB).

Armscor, the state–owned defence acquisition agency has issued a request for quotation to Tau Aerospace of Bedfordview and the Raytheon Company of the US for the procurement of GBU-12 Paveway II systems.


Link (http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4433&Itemid=350)

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Interview with campaign director for Gripen NG Brazil

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/735/gripenng001dotjpg
Bengt Janér

It's a long interview so I will only link.

Except for this part:


DB - The Vixen radar 1000ES is being developed by Selex in conjunction with Saab for the Gripen NG. There are already some are predicting when the first units ready? This period is sufficient for the delivery to Brazil in 2014, considering the time of testing, approval and production? How to ensure that the capabilities of the new radar does not fall below the planned?

BJ - Selex Galileo is one of the largest companies in the industry regarding the development and production of radars. The AESA antenna technology is fully understood and that company has products with AESA antennas fully developed (peaks, Seaspray 5000E and 7000E, Vixen 500). Selex Galileo also participates in the development of the Captor radar for Typhoon.

The antenna of Vixen 1000ES will be of type "swashplate, which can detect targets in a field sweep of 105 degrees in all directions, with a total of 210 degrees around the axis of the aircraft.

In a scenario of an engagement-to-air BVR, this type of antenna will allow the monitoring of targets without requiring an unwelcome approach that would be inevitable with the current AESA antennas.

Considering the experience of Selex Galileo in the industry, Saab believes very low risk of developing the antenna AESA radar for the Gripen NG Brazil.

It is important to inform that only the antenna AESA is in development. The antenna of Vixen 500 have 500 T / R modules, and the Vixen 1000 has 1000 modules. This is not to develop a new technology.

All other components of the radar, such as processor, transmitter, etc.. Are products developed by Saab Microwave Systems (formerly Ericsson Microwave) and already in operation.

Saab Microwave is a manufacturer of Erieye radar with AESA technology fitted to the aircraft Embraer AEW & C - E-99.

DB - Is there any proposal for transfer of technology relating to Vixen 1000ES? What would be the autonomy of Brazil in the maintenance and adjustment of radar?

BJ - The transfer of technology is available and limited only by the current capacity of domestic firms to absorb it, because as previously mentioned, the Saab Microwave and Selex Galileo dominate all the technologies involved.

The maintenance of the radar at all levels, will be made by a domestic company.

But the most important in terms of technology transfer will be Embraer's participation in the process of integration of the radar on the aircraft, from the theoretical to the flight test and certification system. Therefore, only the program Gripen NG Brazil can do.


Google translated to English (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://defesabrasil.com/site/noticias/projeto-f-x2/exclusivo-db-entrevista-bengt-jener-diretor-da-saab-no-brasil.php&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.se&usg=ALkJrhh60ZOoDI9pA6brCc_q1sKx2HaBHw)

Original link (http://defesabrasil.com/site/noticias/projeto-f-x2/exclusivo-db-entrevista-bengt-jener-diretor-da-saab-no-brasil.php)

Caprice
10-08-2009, 10:27 AM
Signatory needs a rest from the updating work...:)

Aero Vodochody Has Produced the First Pylon for Gripen:


PRAGUE --- Aero Vodochody (Aero) has announced the completion of the first fully assembled NATO Pylon for the Gripen fighter. The production stems from the contract signed between Saab and Aero in October 2008. The first Pylon will be handed over to Saab representatives today on the event taking place at Aero Vodochody production unit dedicated for Pylons program. Representatives from the Swedish Embassy, the Czech Ministry of Defence, the Swedish Defence Material Administration, Saab and Aero representatives will be present.

“I am proud that Aero succeeded to launch a new production and thus to demonstrate not only its high quality standards and flexibility, but also the short project lead time. We appreciate the co-operation with Saab, which is a significant contribution for strengthening our position in the aerostructures market particularly in military aviation technology,” Ladislav Šimek, President of Aero said. http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/108839/aero-vodochody-produces-first-pylon-for-gripen.html

The same design as existing (NATO) pylon, I guess?

C.

JohanGrön
10-11-2009, 01:19 PM
Shiv Aroor, a TV journalist in Delhi, has posted two articles regarding his visit to Saab in Linköping this week.

Gripen Dream Part 1 (http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/10/shiv-aroor.html): Flight in the Gripen
Click link to read the whole article

Excerpt:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/StA5I41LMEI/AAAAAAAAITM/SrMAiLBE48o/s200/_DSC0218dotjpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/StA5I41LMEI/AAAAAAAAITM/SrMAiLBE48o/s1600-h/_DSC0218dotjpg)
My pilot selected our landing runway on the nav landing tab on the central MFD. After a brief pulse, the waypoint buzzed onto the HUD, pulling the Gripen towards it. Major Nordlander told me to take the plane in. Just keep the dot of the base encircled in the fuselage circle on your HUD. That's all there is to it. Follow the dot, keep the landing lines vectored at right angles and with no overspill on the indicator tabs. And the plane goes in perfect. Like a videogame. No different. Throttled down to about 250-knots. Touched down, gunned up to full afterburner for a brilliant touch and go at bizarrely short length. Still Photo for Headlines Today by Stefan Kalm (Courtesy Saab)

Gripen Dream Part 2 (http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/10/gripen-dream-part-2-inside-gripen-in.html): Inside the Gripen IN
Click link to read the whole article

Excerpt:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/StGR1mXfW7I/AAAAAAAAIT8/2agh0zxjLpg/s200/Gripen++Demo_03dotjpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/StGR1mXfW7I/AAAAAAAAIT8/2agh0zxjLpg/s1600-h/Gripen++Demo_03dotjpg)
The airplane sits there with many if its fuselage panels open, its avionics bay exposed, lots of diagnostic and test cables running in all directions. Systems checks ahead of a ground run later that afternoon to give its brand new SATCOM system a torture test. It's disassembled nose cone sits lashed to a trolley in front of it, and there up front, protected by a black dust proof casing, is the radar, the active electronically scanned array (AESA) RAVEN, a unique derivative of the Vixen 1000ES developed by Selex Galileo (formerly GEC Marconi), Saab Aerosystems and Saab Microwave (formerly Ericsson Microwave). The radar has just finished some ground routines, and test engineers are delighted with its performance. In one month, the radar will be tested in the sky. At the moment, it's the only radar in the MMRCA sweepstakes that the makers have already declared they will release the source codes of.



//JG

signatory
10-11-2009, 02:01 PM
From above:


There's been some good news for the Demo team. With the landing gear moved out from the central fuselage out sideways to the wing roots (to free up copious amounts of fuselage space for fuel), wing farings were needed on the leading edge roots to smoothen out the new gear bay. Engineers were almost certain that this would produce some highly avoidable drag. On the contrary, the Demo pilots have reported that the farings have actually contributed to overall aerodynamic performance.

Ths reminds me of SAAB Lansen (http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6928/avj321dotjpg) which actually had lower drag when fitted with the egg-shaped external fuel tank... More lift or somethig... either way the aerodynamics is a funny thing to figure out :)

signatory
10-13-2009, 07:02 AM
Another post over at livefist blog (http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/10/photos-gripen-factory-in-linkoping.html) show Gripen production.

http://i34.*******.com/rsf09wdotjpg
Thai 2nd Twin-stick.

http://i37.*******.com/28sltl2dotjpg
South African 5th Single-seater.

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http://i34.*******.com/312hdgydotjpg

Unfortunately the Czech Air Force has been too busy so they couldn't join the Nato/PFP exercise. Ends 16th October.

http://i37.*******.com/2m6l6hedotjpg
Photo: Emil Lindberg

Additional photos:

here (http://indafoto.hu/dynax_7/lion_effort_2009_hadgyakorlat_/page/1)

Elbows
10-14-2009, 12:14 AM
Hey guys - not to be "that guy"...but can someone just give me some real quick cliff's notes? I love the Gripen - great looking machine. But even trying to read through all 120+ pages I can't get a real feel for the plane.

What level fighter is it? F-18 level, F-35 etc? Or is it a nice budget fighter a bit below those? My dad was a combat aviator - so I know more about F-4s than I do new planes. But this thing is beautiful. Probably the nicest looking rig I've seen in years.

signatory
10-14-2009, 06:40 AM
Hey guys - not to be "that guy"...but can someone just give me some real quick cliff's notes? I love the Gripen - great looking machine. But even trying to read through all 120+ pages I can't get a real feel for the plane.

What level fighter is it? F-18 level, F-35 etc? Or is it a nice budget fighter a bit below those? My dad was a combat aviator - so I know more about F-4s than I do new planes. But this thing is beautiful. Probably the nicest looking rig I've seen in years.

Heya :)

Heh, well it's like a 'brainy' fighter that when designed took into consideration future developments on weapons and other tech.. Operationally flexible enough for a one-type-jet airforce that has no super power ambitions.

More like the F-16 or Mirage 2000 class with some twists. A once used phrase was "Information Superiority" kind of in the sense of David vs. Goliath. Originally a fighter custom-built for Sweden to take on the finest of the Russian Air Force while also able to conduct offensive maritime & ground attack and recon missions. Luckily the Russians dimensioned their jets to fight US/NATO jets and not Swedish ones.. this was rather fruitful.

So the focus is first of all on air defense, a small & light low-drag airframe for a physically rather small single engine and by that a low visual, radar and electronic signatures that makes it a difficult to see opponent. Combined with modern missiles, datalinks & sensor systems and new pilot gear such as helmet mounted displays it has a very good position in the air defense role.

The other roles is more traditional and in air to ground the jet can't carry the big loads other countries might require but for modern conflicts the jet is no less practical than other ones fitted with smart bombs. Compared to some fighters it has shorter range in particular on A2G missions but this is to be resolved with the next version commonly referred to as the NG which also has a more powerful engine.

Been among the first jets (in particular of the west) to operationally use technical solutions that is now slowly becoming standard such as the all-digitally instrumented cockpit, on-condition maintenance and advanced tactical use of datalinks (such as having your missiles being guided to target by some else's radar or just passivly share sensor images) The aircraft has space for additional avionics boxes and the computer systems well over-dimensioned for the needs in case of new requirements such as adding a new sensor that needs to have its data processed and displayed. The focus is clearly on 'brainyness'... including on associated systems with the mission planning tools, the low-manpower and support needs and high sorties generation for more hours in the air. Abt 4000 parameters around the aircraft check its health once power-on. Errors is then presented in a priority order for servicemen and it gives program planners a fleet-wide God's eye on risk areas. The nice thing is that it both saves money and deliver more jets ready for new missions.

More info:

Gripen International (http://www.gripen.com/en/GripenFighter/controlling.htm)
Gripen at FMV (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/Page.aspx?id=1404)

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http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/742C7425-B4B9-48CD-AAF3-8EF27D322D18/9876/Aero1_454dotjpg

Gripen pylon made in the Czech Republic (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/gripen_pylon_made_in_the_czech_republic.htm)

Gripen in Croatia (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/GripenHR.htm)

VansRV
10-14-2009, 07:07 AM
Heya :)

Heh, well it's like a 'brainy' fighter that when designed took into consideration future developments on weapons and other tech.. Operationally flexible enough for a one-jet airforce that has no super power ambitions.

More like the F-16 or Mirage 2000 class with some twists. A once used phrase was "Information Superiority" kind of in the sense of David vs. Goliath. Originally a fighter custom-built for Sweden to take on the finest of the Russian Air Force while also able to conduct offensive maritime & ground attack and recon missions. Luckily the Russians dimensioned their jets to fight US/NATO jets and not Swedish ones.. this was rather fruitful.

So the focus is first of all on air defense, a small & light low-drag airframe for a physically rather small single engine and by that a low visual, radar and electronic signatures that makes it a difficult to see opponent. Combined with modern missiles, datalinks & sensor systems and new pilot gear such as helmet mounted displays it has a very good position in the air defense role.

The other roles is more traditional and in air to ground the jet can't carry the big loads other countries might require but for modern conflicts the jet is no less practical than other ones fitted with smart bombs. Compared to some fighters it has shorter range in particular on A2G missions but this is to be resolved with the next version commonly referred to as the NG which also has a more powerful engine.

Been among the first jets (in particular of the west) to operationally use technical solutions that is now slowly becoming standard such as the all-digitally instrumented cockpit, on-condition maintenance and advanced tactical use of datalinks (such as having your missiles being guided to target by some else's radar or just passivly share sensor images) The aircraft has space for additional avionics boxes and the computer systems well over-dimensioned for the needs in case of new requirements such as adding a new sensor that needs to have its data processed and displayed. The focus is clearly on 'brainyness'...

More info:

Gripen International (http://www.gripen.com/en/GripenFighter/controlling.htm)
Gripen at FMV (http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/Page.aspx?id=1404)

Great summation. :)

signatory
10-15-2009, 05:22 AM
Wiki-Fix

http://i38.*******.com/14bkm1fdotjpg
View: PS-05/A all-composite slotted planar array

I noticed another not totally accurate Wikipedia page on the existing Gripen radar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS-05/A) and since I'm not doing that battle-editing thing some people enjoy so much.. here's what the manufacturer has to say on some of the mistakes:

A notable difference being the > 40% higher peak power.

http://i37.*******.com/ig9jwjdotjpg

Source:SAAB Group (http://products.saabgroup.com/PDBWebnew/GetFile.aspx?PathType=ProductFiles&FileType=Files&Id=8088)

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F-X2

Yesterday the 3 candidates spoke about their tech-transfer offers in front of the House of Representatives / National Congress.

One of the most outspoken ministers on the importance of Tech-Transfer, defense minister Nelson Jobim was invited but decided not to go.

SAAB's statement at the hearing. (http://translate.google.se/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdefesabrasil.com%2Fsite%2Fnoticias%2Fprojeto-f-x2%2Fdiscurso-de-bengt-janer-da-saab-na-camara-dos-deputados.php&sl=pt&tl=en&history_state0=) (Google-Translate)

source (http://defesabrasil.com/site/noticias/projeto-f-x2/discurso-de-bengt-janer-da-saab-na-camara-dos-deputados.php)

Askold
10-15-2009, 01:18 PM
I heard that Ukraine was considering to purchase the license on the Grippen production. Does anybody have any news on that?

signatory
10-15-2009, 02:08 PM
I heard that Ukraine was considering to purchase the license on the Grippen production. Does anybody have any news on that?

The Ambassador of Ukraine visited the Saab Gripen factory about 3 weeks ago.

If it was at all related to such a rumour you talk about.. that I don't know. Maybe that visit even started the rumour?

Sweden has strategic relations with the Ukraine that is in several regards classified so it's difficult to say what the countries really discuss.. But Sweden is looking for Gripen-partners that is a sure thing and the Ukraine is one of few countries capable to absorb enough technology transfer... I hope it's being considered :)

(There has been other meetings with SAAB over the last few years but what they talk about other than 'aerospace and defense' issues has not been revealed in any case)

Askold
10-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Thanks for the info. Currently Ukraine is looking to produce Generation 4+ fighter as oppose to upgrading the old Mig fleet. Knowing that Ukraine views Sweden as one of its key partners in the region, I wold be very happy to know that we decide to go with the Grippens.

Unifil 37
10-16-2009, 12:40 PM
SAAB accused of espionage in South Korea.

A former majorgeneral in the South Korean Air Force is arrested, suspected of having leaked secret information to the Swedish industrial group.


SAAB received classified material on South Korea's own combat aircraft project KF-X, it was claimed on Friday. KF-X is a highly advanced aircraft with so-called stealth technology, which makes it very difficult to detect on radar screens.

Saab is also working with several plans for stealth aircraft, where the so-called Neuron project is the most famous. Neuron, developed in collaboration with, among other French Dassault, will be the combat aircraft Gripen's successor.

The arrested officer have been paid between three and five million for the secret papers, according to news reports from the South Korean capital Seoul.

SAAB spokeswoman Cecilia Schon Jansson confirmed Friday that the company is aware of the arrest in South Korea.

- We know it's begun a preliminary investigation, and we are cooperating fully with the South Korean authorities, "she emphasized.

Saab Group Management denies, according to news agency TT any further knowledge of the matter.

(NTB)

signatory
10-16-2009, 01:24 PM
Well, what I see is neither Gripen news or any accusation against SAAB like that headline says. But ok.. there's also no original news report that directly links money for the documents. Thats another wrong assumption by NTB.

It is otoh known he was paid money for a plane/seminar ticket to join a Swedish export council conference. He's CEO of a firm used by the Swedish Defense Research Agency and SIPRI among others. Would be kind of silly to bribe him using the same personal bank account... NTB is also wrong that Neuron is to be a successor to Gripen. They also missed the whole point with SAAB's interest in KF-X...

But eh we'll see what happens, SK is cracking down on defense lobbyism recently.

Unifil 37
10-16-2009, 01:41 PM
Well, what I see is neither Gripen news or any accusation against SAAB like that headline says. But ok.. there's also no original news report that directly links money for the documents. Thats another wrong assumption by NTB.

It is otoh known he was paid money for a plane/seminar ticket to join a Swedish export council conference. He's CEO of a firm used by the Swedish Defense Research Agency and SIPRI among others. Would be kind of silly to bribe him using the same personal bank account... NTB is also wrong that Neuron is to be a successor to Gripen. They also missed the whole point with SAAB's interest in KF-X...

But eh we'll see what happens, SK is cracking down on defense lobbyism recently.

Thanks Signatory! Don't know enything about Neuron and KF-X but from a outsider's perspective there's been some talk about bribes from different campaigns. Was the BAE involved in some looky snooky business?

Anyway, this is the good part of MP.net. It's actually possible to discuss stuff without fanboys strong!!!1!!! crews ruining every thread

Any news from the joint training up north a couple of months ago? F-16's and Gripen?

Ha en hyggelig weekend

Breerman
10-16-2009, 02:24 PM
Any news from the joint training up north a couple of months ago? F-16's and Gripen?
These things happen regularly nowadays. I think Sweden has standing agreements with both Norway and Finland regarding cross-border training. So now Swedish JAS-39, Norwegian F-16, and Finnish F-18 can take-off from their home bases, meet up in air and do exercises regardless of border-crossing formalia, and then return to their home bases. Very smooth.

Unifil 37
10-16-2009, 03:44 PM
These things happen regularly nowadays. I think Sweden has standing agreements with both Norway and Finland regarding cross-border training. So now Swedish JAS-39, Norwegian F-16, and Finnish F-18 can take-off from their home bases, meet up in air and do exercises regardless of border-crossing formalia, and then return to their home bases. Very smooth.

Yeahh.. Heard about that. It's gone improve the safety aswell, and make it easyer to get the planes airborne since they have the option to land on other airfields. Norway is a narrow country so that should help alot. Sometines the weather sucks up north...

signatory
10-20-2009, 10:30 AM
Photos from Baltic Air Policing Alpha scrambles

The first scramble during the 4-month tour was against a German civilian airplane with the remaining 7 on aircraft from Russia of the type Il-18, Il-20, SU-24 and An-26.

http://i38.*******.com/16m9m47dotjpg

http://i36.*******.com/33vccjpdotjpg

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http://i35.*******.com/ke9j7sdotjpg

http://i36.*******.com/de0divdotjpg

source (http://www.211squadron.cz/letka/litva09.html)

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GI to NL.


The Hague, 16.10.09

Re: Reaffirmation offer from Gripen International in respect of the supply of 85 Saab Gripen NG fighter planes for the Royal Netherlands Air Force to refute (media) statements of Lockheed Martin.

Statement (http://new.isoshop.com/dae/dae/articles/communiques/Brief_Tweede_Kamer_151009_UK.pdf)

Enclosed, please, find the offer from Gripen International for the supply of 85 Saab Gripen Next Generation fighter airplanes (http://new.isoshop.com/dae/dae/articles/communiques/Saab_NL_Offer_Gripen_NG_170409.pdf) as a successor to the F-16. We have presented this offer to you and the Dutch government in April 2009.

Herman the II
10-20-2009, 11:00 AM
Nice pictures! I like...:)

Arion
10-20-2009, 12:13 PM
Does anyone know when the result from the FX-2 competition will be revealed?

JohanGrön
10-21-2009, 04:50 AM
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GI to NL.


The Hague, 16.10.09

Re: Reaffirmation offer from Gripen International in respect of the supply of 85 Saab Gripen NG fighter planes for the Royal Netherlands Air Force to refute (media) statements of Lockheed Martin.

Statement (http://new.isoshop.com/dae/dae/articles/communiques/Brief_Tweede_Kamer_151009_UK.pdf)

Enclosed, please, find the offer from Gripen International for the supply of 85 Saab Gripen Next Generation fighter airplanes (http://new.isoshop.com/dae/dae/articles/communiques/Saab_NL_Offer_Gripen_NG_170409.pdf) as a successor to the F-16. We have presented this offer to you and the Dutch government in April 2009.


Anyone who knows where to find Tom Burbage's original statement to Volkskrant? My Dutch is nowhere near Kung-Fu and Googles coked up monkeys didn't help me much ...


//JG

TGIF
10-21-2009, 10:30 AM
Photos from Baltic Air Policing Alpha scrambles

The first scramble during the 4-month tour was against a German civilian airplane with the remaining 7 on aircraft from Russia of the type Il-18, Il-20, SU-24 and An-26.

Absolutely beautiful!

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Brazilian industry has once again underlined its support of the Gripen BR.


The director of the Department of Defense Industry of the Federation of Industries of Sao Paulo (FIESP), Jairo Candide, who presided over the presentation of the proposals of France's Dassault, Sweden's Saab and the American Boeing for entrepreneurs in São Paulo, says that the only open technology is presented by Saab.

"It was clear that anyone who is willing to transfer to a large, full and unrestricted, and work with Brazilian companies are competitors Swedes," says Candido.

According to the director, the project's Gripen NG "a viable domestic production of 36 aircraft and involves the domestic industry since the first time in the program." The feeling is that we will have broad and full authority to produce a supersonic aircraft in Brazil by end of this program, "he says.


Looks like we won't see a F-X2 winner announcement this Friday, 23rd of October, the Brazilian day of Aviation.

Air Force Commander, Brigadier Juniti Saito said yesterday, before the inauguration of Joseph Múcio as minister of the Court of Audit (TCU), the decision on the F-X2 Competition to be announced next month. Asked whether the Air Force position on the international tender will be known in November, Saito said: "I think so."

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.defesanet.com.br/09_10/091021_035.htm&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhANKuGBWiss4MetSeS1zmh_GyZMw

signatory
10-24-2009, 08:31 AM
BAP video from 211 Tactical Squadron.

http://www.patricksaviation.com/player_flv.swf?file=http%3A%2F%2Fnode.patricksaviation.com%2Fstream.php%3Fid%3D4399&audio_scl=&autoStart=false&videoRatio=1.74

Link (http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/211squadron/4399/)

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Gripen NG campaigns

Greece: Saab spent two days this week talking up the Gripen NG offer to the Hellenic Air Force.

Switzerland: Saab is preparing a updated proposal. The Swiss government unanimously decided on Wednesday to stick to the fighter procurement plans. A decision might come next spring. The "no buy" option is still available.

Brazil: Looks like November will be the month of internal debating there.

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SAAB at S.K exhibition

The South Korean Air Force and Koreas National Research Agency invited SAAB together with Taurus as 'the only foreign participants in a well attended full day seminar on "Aerospace Weapon System Development"'.

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/saab_at_the_largest_exhibition_in_korea.htm)

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SAAB posts Q3 profit, raises 2009 outlook

Small and medium sized orders helped sales while continued delays in Airbus and Boeing programs is still a problem. Orders on continued enhanced capability research and development for the Gripen system added to profits. The market welcomed the report and the share rose 10% on Friday.

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/InvestorRelations/Reports/q3_interim_report_2009.htm)

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METEOR

Bill Sweetman at Defence IQ's annual fighter conference :


A flashback to Cold War days from Capt Martin Pelda of the Czech air force, talking about the service's summer stint of air policing over the Baltic states. The Czechs' JAS 39C Gripens performed eight "alpha scrambles", never missing the 15-minute target from call to takeoff, and intercepted Il-20 Coot reconnaissance aircraft - one of them unconvincingly attired in Ae--lot livery - and an Su-24 Fencer, as they performed un-announced sorties over the Baltic.

And the Gripen NG's Selex radar has been named ES 05 Raven, the brainchild of campaign director and test pilot Magnus Olsson. Apparently the raven helped Odin guide his thunderbolts - another example of myth and legend in action. Olsson on the Meteor missile, for which the Gripen is the test platform with "double digit" firings accomplished: "Amazing, frightening, it will change the way BVR is conducted - a bit like a death-ray."

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SwAF

http://i36.*******.com/2j5ar0hdotjpg

The operative divisions will once again include gun training against towed objects such as the orange sausage in the photo above.

In other news, a similar Cross Border Training agreement in place with Norway/ Finland is now being negotiated with Denmark.

link (http://www.mil.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Norrbottens-flygflottilj-F-21/Nyheter/Vingmalsskjutning--atertagen-formaga/)

link (http://www.blt.se/nyheter/ronneby/f17-ska-fa-enklare-att-ova-med-danskt-flygvapen%281590745%29.gm)

phlerp
10-25-2009, 11:11 AM
Apparently the raven helped Odin guide his thunderbolts - another example of myth and legend in action.Thor was the god of thunder. Odin was the chief god in north mythology, much like Jupiter and Zeus in Roman and Greek mythology. The two ravens of Odin, called Hugin (thought) and Munin (mind), flew all over Asgard and reported back to Odin so he knew all about what was happening and what the other gods were doing.

This makes it even more suitable to name the radar Raven as it represents the all seeing animals that reported everything back to the powerfull god.

ayanami_tard
10-29-2009, 12:52 AM
will gripen be considered by malaysia

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/765/new20straits20times2020dotjpg

(credits to mcwood)


...the ministry was studying the suitability of aircraft made in the United States,France,United Kingdom and Sweden...

interesting...
(don't look at me i actually got a very mixed feeling myself)

Swingrole
10-29-2009, 01:04 PM
Seems as the swiss have a hard time to decide what to do when it comes to procure new fighter jets... When – or if – they make up their mind what chances do you people here at this forum think Gripen has? Personally I think SAAB has a very good chance but I might be mistaken. Has the French president Sarkozy been to Switzerland yet...?



Swiss Fighter Competition Still On:
Government

By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 22 Oct 2009


GENEVA - The Swiss government said Oct. 22 that it was standing by plans for a multi-billion dollar contract to replace army fighter jets despite reports that the defense minister was thinking of scrapping it.

Europe's EADS, French firm Dassault and Sweden's Saab are vying for the contract to replace part of the Swiss army's aging fleet of U.S.-made F-5 "Tiger" fighters in 2011.

"The Federal Council (government) has decided to stick to the timetable fixed in March for the partial replacement of the Tiger fleet," the government said in a statement after a cabinet meeting.

However, it also acknowledged the "critical financial situation" of the army and asked the defense ministry to draw up an evaluation of its finances.

The Swiss army has been carrying out test flights in recent months with the EADS Eurofighter, Dassault's Rafale and Saab's Gripen, ahead of the scheduled choice in Spring 2010.

But recent Swiss media reports have indicated that the 2.2 billion Swiss franc ($2.2 billion, 1.5 billion euro) budget set aside for the new aircraft may not be enough, and that the required fleet of about 20 would cost 7.0 billion francs.

The daily Tages-Anzeiger had quoted unnamed sources as saying that Defense Minister Ueli Maurer, who only took office this year, was asking the government to scrap the acquisition.

Source: DefenseNews http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4337229&c=EUR&s=AIR

hsh2
10-29-2009, 03:07 PM
Seems as the swiss have a hard time to decide what to do when it comes to procure new fighter jets... When – or if – they make up their mind what chances do you people here at this forum think Gripen has? Personally I think SAAB has a very good chance but I might be mistaken. Has the French president Sarkozy been to Switzerland yet...?


A couple of articles which probably provide a good understanding of the whole situation.

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:Hvn1_wDr78AJ:www.thomashurter.ch/Dateien/Nur%2520noch%2520eine%2520Staffel%281%29.pdf+jet+kauf+tiger&hl=de&gl=ch&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjEAeJmiaYTw_-zrvKyj3G8wtHrmceLpXF9zkCLSf7hvINXwcq5jnEc4M7BjGo2qM0dcfU397IYCMEtGwnHNIYdbfOs9DRgyb9CbCjEPYvyQlLIBnCjkc4QuFHVzs_1RROnnL6M&sig=AFQjCNGyh9E6Dg_FZYTW7VNz7WjjAdTL6Q

The source is the website of a member of the "Tiger Replacement" subcommission and the author is a journalist of the SonntagsZeitung.

http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/schweiz/einige_hundert_millionen_jaehrlich_muessten_es_schon_sein_1.3903878.html

http://www.drs.ch/www/de/drs/nachrichten/147246.roland-borer-luftwaffe-braucht-tiger-ersatz.html (further links at the bottom)

In German sorry. I'll provide a translation if Babelfish doesn't cut it.


That said if we really go ahead (which we in all likelihood will) my money is on us choosing the Gripen.

signatory
10-29-2009, 11:47 PM
Thanks ayanami_tard, any thoughts on the air force priorities.. AEW first, MIG-29 replacement later? Just got Sukhois so maybe it's finally time to get AEW's...

About the Swiss, the head of their Federal Department of Economic Affairs was in Sweden yesterday and did comment on that procurement plan.. nothing new just confirmed that they need new jets and will decide during spring.. on the eurocanards she only said she though they were 'pretty much all on the same technical level' and pointed to what financial offers they will receive.

Also noticed that SwAF base F 21 will begin aerial refueling training next week against a French tanker. Finally on operative divisions.

Video from Lion Effort 2009...

http://www.youtube.com/v/M_1h3011844

Weirdo soundtrack.

signatory
10-30-2009, 07:16 AM
Gripen NG Demo Flight test Phase 2

SAAB began to fly Phase 2 this week. The aircraft is now flying with MAWS, AESA and other new components installed during the summer.

http://i34.*******.com/xf5lw3dotjpg

Have a nice weekend.

energo
10-31-2009, 09:56 AM
Not sure if this has been posted here before. In 1999 a NASA dryden research project tested the Gripen's ministick controller in an F/A-18. It's a bit technical, but provides some interesting tidbits, not at least the pilot comments for instance appreciating the motion feedback and thumb rest of the Gripen stick. Summary at the bottom.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88694main_H-2418.pdf




NASA Dryden conducted a handling qualities experiment using a small displacement centerstick controller that Saab-Scania developed for the JAS 39 Gripen aircraft. The centerstick, or ministick, was mounted in the rear cockpit of an F/A-18 aircraft. Production support flight control computers (PSFCC) provided a pilotselectable
research control system. The objectives for this experiment included determining whether the mechanical characteristics of the centerstick controller had any significant effect on the handling qualities of the F/A-18, and determining the usefulness of the PSFCCs for this kind of experiment. Five pilots evaluated closed-loop tracking tasks, including echelon and column formation flight and target following. Cooper-Harper ratings and pilot comments were collected for each maneuver. This paper describes the test system, including the PSFCCs, the Gripen centerstick, and the flight test experiment. The paper presents results of longitudinal handling qualities maneuvers, including low order equivalent systems, Neal-Smith, and controls anticipation
parameter analyses. The experiment showed that, while the centerstick controller provided a different aircraft feel, few handling qualities deficiencies resulted. It also demonstrated that the PSFCCs were useful for this kind of investigation.



B. Bolsøy
Oslo

ayanami_tard
10-31-2009, 10:14 AM
Thanks ayanami_tard, any thoughts on the air force priorities.. AEW first, MIG-29 replacement later? Just got Sukhois so maybe it's finally time to get AEW's...
Weirdo soundtrack.

about MiG replacement,russia(via rosoboronexport) already offered a very handsome offer to trade in those MiGs for another batch of 6 Su-30MKM(very nice offer indeed)long live cheap,great russian aircraft

afaik erieye is almost will be bought by malaysia(questions right now is the aircraft.CN-235 would be the best option)

as for original question,i think we'll see erieye in service first
(gripen is being considered,along side another aircraft,for another 18 batch of MRCA afaik)

JohanGrön
11-01-2009, 08:46 AM
about MiG replacement,russia(via rosoboronexport) already offered a very handsome offer to trade in those MiGs for another batch of 6 Su-30MKM(very nice offer indeed)long live cheap,great russian aircraft

afaik erieye is almost will be bought by malaysia(questions right now is the aircraft.CN-235 would be the best option)

as for original question,i think we'll see erieye in service first
(gripen is being considered,along side another aircraft,for another 18 batch of MRCA afaik)

If it wasn't for the very high lifetime costs of russian aircrafts then ... p-)

JohanGrön
11-02-2009, 06:37 AM
There are two Saab related pieces in the November issue (http://www.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416103154) of Defense Technology International :

Bill Sweetman interviews Lena Olving, the new Saab Group Chief Operating Officer. (http://www.zinio.com/pages/DefenseTechnologyInternational/Nov-09/416103154/pg-56)

An editorial on French armsdealing with Brazil and a 6 ft. 5 in. tall emperor, by Bill Sweetman. (http://www.zinio.com/pages/DefenseTechnologyInternational/Nov-09/416103154/pg-60)


//JG

Loke2
11-04-2009, 05:30 AM
Apologies if this has been posted before:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://defesabrasil.com/site/noticias/projeto-f-x2/gripen-ng-brasil-sera-mais-nacional-do-que-o-amx-diz-saab.php&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgripen%2Bng%2Bsupercruise%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26tbo%3Dp%26tbs%3Dqdr:m&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgOInHZbdtEkTbO_mrQshaGU5BKVg




The new version of the Saab says that the combat range was extended to 1300 km, the aircraft can stay for up to 30 minutes in the patrol, armed with four missiles BVR, WVR two and a central fuel tank.


I tought the 1300 km range + 30 mins on-station was with two drop tanks but here it says one. Interesting.

signatory
11-04-2009, 06:12 AM
I tought the 1300 km range + 30 mins on-station was with two drop tanks but here it says one. Interesting.

1300 Km combat radius + 30 min on-station.

I think alot of people directly assumed 2 tanks based on existing Gripen and its drop tanks + twin-store carriers since that was used in the press material alot. But then Saab came out and said that one of the new larger drop tanks added 1000km range (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/articles/communiques/Saab_NL_Offer_Gripen_NG_170409.pdf) which is quite alot.

The info given (http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/NLGRIPENPRESSBRIEFAug08.pdf) was also 2500 km on internal fuel so add one tank as they say and you get 1750km radius.

Two tanks won't give the same impressive benefits, from what I can tell from their public info is that 1 tank adds 1000 km but 2 tanks 'only' adds 1575 km together.

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BTW,

There's a Brazilian trade delegation coming to London this week and President Lula will arrive in a few days for talks. The UK Trade & Investment agency is arranging a press meeting tomorrow with Selex to talk about their side on the Gripen offer.

I guess the rumours of UK government support is real at some kind of level.

Also, the FAB has still not completed their technical report. I think it was first supposed to be ready in June...

Skyman
11-04-2009, 11:08 AM
News From Defense & Security 2009 in Thailand.

Never regret that I support the Gripen in Thailand from the start. At least we will fly our jet with the datalink that Thai company is involved. woot

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6594/rtafgripenjointventurewdotjpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2752/rtafgripenjointventurewzdotjpg

Thank Saab pavillian.

Defense & Security 2009 (Something like IDEX)

http://www.asiandefense.com/

signatory
11-04-2009, 03:27 PM
Good news Skyman! Did (will) you go to the show... I heard they have a cockpit simulator in the Saab stand..

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Gripen NG Demo

Photo from one of the sorties during Phase 2. Now we see the MAWS installation....

http://i34.*******.com/2nhjgpwdotjpg

http://i34.*******.com/zvbqzldotjpg

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Google-translate of SAAB Press release:



SAAB 04 November 2009

Gripen NG full speed

The Gripen Demonstrator NG continues to progress in their testing program, now enhanced with various tactical systems: an AESA radar, a new satellite coms, an electro-optical missile warning, and also expect a greater internal capacity fuel.

The Program aims NG Gripen Demonstrator is to present the capabilities that will be included in the new generation Gripen fighter.

Among the most visible new features, we highlight the system sensors and missile warning satellite system satellite.

The AESA radar, ie, the system of active electronically scanned, is one of the features of the upgraded Gripen. Simply put, we can say that it is a radar made of many elements of miniature antenna, mounted so as to form one large antenna. Each of these elements can be individually controlled, allowing for several new functions. Previously, the Gripen radar antenna had a mechanically controlled, with the capacity to illuminate one area at a time. An AESA radar can quickly scanning the large areas, monitoring a larger number of targets simultaneously, and gives the pilot greater operational flexibility. The new system of satellite communications enables voice and data through a satellite.

Gripen demo already recorded 79 test flights in its first phase of tests, especially when they were tested a new set of landing gear and the new engine, the F414G. In the second phase , which started this week, have been made two test flights, achieving encouraging results.

In addition, the NG demonstrator was flown by Brazilian officials, in tests to assess the Gripen NG for the program FX-2. The evaluation team piloted the Gripen NG Demo in early April 2009. The purpose of these tests, carried out by FAB, was to verify and evaluate the Gripen NG next generation.

The report, in which the Brazilian committee evaluation examines the three competitors, should be delivered soon to the Council of National Defense.

Elbs
11-04-2009, 03:29 PM
That two-seater is a gorgeous bird.

JohanGrön
11-05-2009, 04:09 AM
Brazilian TV Globo show flies with the European candidates for the F-X2

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http://video.globo.com/Portal/videos/cda/player/player.swf?midiaId=1152091&autoStart=false


link (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aereo.jor.br%2F2009%2F11%2F02%2Ff-x2-globo-disponibiliza-reportagem-do-fantastico-na-internet%2Fcomment-page-2%2F&sl=pt&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

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The pretty chick chose the Gripen of course :)
I'm sure that Fredrik Müchler didn't mind her choise either

My Portuguese is in shambles but I don't think they got to fly the F18, right?

On a side note, when I read through the comments on the webpage I saw one (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.aereo.jor.br/2009/11/02/f-x2-globo-disponibiliza-reportagem-do-fantastico-na-internet/comment-page-2/&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiXMcu_jRBOvBsYJ6pjtfeBn-SMqg#comment-112204) that claimed that a french minister called the Embraer KC-390 a wheelbarrow when France considered purchase of that aircraft. Would be interesting if that comment could be verified and who made it.


//JG

signatory
11-05-2009, 06:37 AM
On a side note, when I read through the comments on the webpage I saw one (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.aereo.jor.br/2009/11/02/f-x2-globo-disponibiliza-reportagem-do-fantastico-na-internet/comment-page-2/&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiXMcu_jRBOvBsYJ6pjtfeBn-SMqg#comment-112204) that claimed that a french minister called the Embraer KC-390 a wheelbarrow when France considered purchase of that aircraft. Would be interesting if that comment could be verified and who made it.

//JG

Ah that was the defense minister Hervé Morin and he was IMO perfectly right to say so since he was trying to explain the reason for getting the aircraft while also the A400M... apparently some people found that comment offensive but eh what's so bad about a flying wheelbarrow. It's supposed to airlift goods not cure cancer or something...

original source (http://www.rtl.fr/fiche/5928191116/herve-morin-la-vente-des-rafale-au-bresil-est-bien-partie-mais-pas-encore-acquise-video.html)

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Zoom in on MAW (wing root) and SATCOM (on top, besides GPS)

http://i36.*******.com/262rtshdotjpg
Gripen Image Base

English Press release: Gripen NG Demo returns to the skies

link (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/gripen_ng_demo_returns_to_the_skies.htm)

Maktab
11-05-2009, 06:45 AM
Nice. That's the MAW systems Saab got when it bought Avitronics, isn't it?

signatory
11-05-2009, 07:30 AM
Nice. That's the MAW systems Saab got when it bought Avitronics, isn't it?

Yeah I think that's true...

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Brazil



Valor, 04/11

Vendors say that Gripen will generate more business in the country

Virginia Silveira

The management of the F-X2 program of renovation of the fighters of the Air Force (FAB), applied to aerospace companies a new assessment of the latest proposals, which were sent by the three manufacturers that compete for the contract estimated at between $ 4 and 7 U.S. $ billion - Boeing, Dassault and Gripen. According to the two companies surveyed by the FAB, was made an additional request for clarification on the expectation of employment within the media industry with the possible programs for technology transfer of the F-X2.

The request, according to experts who monitor the buying process of fighters, was sent to the Company, Aeroeletrônica, Mectron, Atech, Friuli, Winnstal, Akaer, Imbra Aerospace, Focal, Graúna, among others. The latter responses were forwarded to the FAB on Wednesday of last week. The Air Force is finalizing the technical evaluation report of the three competitors and is expected later this month, the document is sent to Defense Minister Nelson Jobim.

The report asked the Central Bureau of Aeronautics (CECOMSAER) information on the new request for information sent by the FAB business, but got back up to the time of writing.

Unlike the acquisition program of French helicopters, as the FAB has chosen to strengthen the industrial counterparts, with greater involvement of the Brazilian production of parts and service, the fighter program focuses on strategic technological capability of industry national future construction of a supersonic fighter. Among the companies that operate more in the area of engineering development preference is given by the Swedish Gripen, the proposed joint development of aircraft.

"The proposal of the Saab is the one that best serves the interests of the industry sector, because it provides for a joint development of the aircraft. Within 10 to 15 years we have jurisdiction to make a supersonic fighter with Brazilian engineering," says CEO of Imbra Aerospace, Jairo Candide. The executive, who is also director of the Department of Defense Fiesp, coordinated the negotiation rounds of the three competitors in the F-X2. He said most of the 150 companies that participated in these meetings also revealed a preference for offering Swedish, with regard to technology transfer.

"This is the feeling of industry and the Brazilian government also has said he does not buy more products from the shelf in the area of defense." The entrepreneur's view is also shared by the director of Ciesp Sao Jose dos Campos, Almir Fernandes. He said at least 30 of the 50 companies of the Brazilian aerospace industry believe that the Saab offers better opportunities for participation by such enterprises in the development of strategic technologies, from the design phase to the production level.

Led by Akaer, companies Friuli, Winnstal, Minoan and Friuli are already working on developing the new game Swedish Gripen NG, the project was provided by the manufacturer Saab F-X2 program. The T1, a holding company that brings together the five Brazilian companies, will be responsible for the design and production of the fuselage, rear fuselage and wings of the Gripen NG.

"Producing parts does not add any value. What we want is to master the technology development of the fighters for a few years, we are exporting that type of aircraft and technologies that will build the expansion of our aeronautics industry, now largely dependent on only one supplier, which is the Embraer, "says CEO Akaer, César Augusto da Silva.

In late October, the vice president of Embraer Defense Market, Orlando José Ferreira Neto said that the value, in terms of technology transfer, "supply the Swedish company Saab is going to ensure that Brazil knowledge and technology aggregation within the premise 'on the job doing', ie learning by doing.

According to the executive, the Gripen is the only one that offers opportunity for Brazil to begin developing a game from scratch. "We are not interested in producing pieces. We seek the field of knowledge that we do not have and that will be useful in the development of future aircraft." The capacity of the domestic industry, according to Ferreira Neto, it is essential to ensure the country's autonomy in the future to make changes in aircraft that FAB will acquire and build a new fighter.

President Atech, one of the defense sector, as strategic by the Brazilian government, Tarcisio Takashi Muta said, as has happened with the air traffic system in the country, the choice of new fighters should prioritize the appearance of field of aircraft systems to be able to make modifications that FAB deems necessary. Atech participated in the process of absorption of technology air traffic control, which allowed Brazil to reach autonomy in the management of its airspace.

source (http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx?issue=20142009110500000000001001&page=22&article=6cfa2340-faf6-460c-bda6-71cade5354ac&key=/X4rdANDzw1NdF2tugvBBg==&feed=rss)

signatory
11-05-2009, 11:14 AM
SwAF exercises refueling

With a French KC-135 based out of F 21 Norrbotten wing.

3 pilots from F 17 and 3 from F 21 is being trained by the Tactical Development Unit TU JAS who over the years as verified and created a training package for the operative divisions.

The 6 pilots will then serve as instructors on their own squadrons so all SwAF pilots will receive the refueling training.

http://i36.*******.com/34q5hdcdotjpg

Article (http://www.mil.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Norrbottens-flygflottilj-F-21/Nyheter/Premiar-for-lufttankning/)

Evolv5
11-05-2009, 11:15 AM
Haha, I was just about to post that article. Read it about 45 seconds ago.

Very nice to seem them practising aerial refuling, escpecially with the French.

energo
11-06-2009, 03:47 AM
http://www.forecastinternational.com/abstract.cfm?recno=166130



Gripen NG Demonstrator with AESA Radar is Now Airborne ⋅

http://emarketalerts.forecast1.com/mic/showthumb.cfm?pb_recno=8530 (http://emarketalerts.forecast1.com/mic/showphoto.cfm?pb_recno=8530)
Swedish Air Force JAS39 Gripen
Source: Gripen International

STOCKHOLM - The Gripen NG demonstrator aircraft re-started flight testing on October 27 following modifications, including the installation of active electronically scanning array (AESA) radar. Other changes include a new satellite communication system, an electro-optical missile warning system as well as activation of the increased internal fuel.

Saab and SELEX Galileo developed the AESA radar, which is based on the SELEX Galileo Vixen AESA radar, the Saab PS-05/A radar and other programs from both companies. The Gripen NG radar will include a swashplate feature that increases radar performance at high angles off aircraft boresight. Saab reports that the Gripen NG AESA radar has the ability to cover a scan angle up to plus/minus 100 degrees. This will improve situational awareness through a wider coverage area and give better quality SAR (synthetic aperture radar) images at wider angles. In BVR (beyond visual range) combat, the wide angle scan also allows the aircraft to maintain track on the target will executing 90 degree maneuvers.

The Gripen NG AESA radar consists of four line replaceable items (LRIs): the AESA which is mounted on a repositioner, the Exciter/Receiver for handling the radio frequency (RF) radar single, the radar control software processor, and the radar power supply unit.

In general, AESA refers to a radar that is built-up from many active transmit/receive modules that form a large antenna. This design increases beam agility and target tracking can be more adaptive and time efficient. The beam agility will also increase the capability to perform search for new targets within a larger search volume while retaining the target track updates for current tracks. Each individual element can be controlled and the failure of some modules has no noticeable effect on overall performance.
Source: Saab




B.Bolsøy
Oslo

Swingrole
11-06-2009, 03:21 PM
UK support bolsters Sweden's Gripen offer to Brazil


By Craig Hoyle: Fligtglobal 06/11/09

Brazil is expected to make an announcement about its initial 36-aircraft FX-2 fighter deal around late November, following an evaluation involving the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale and Saab Gripen NG.

Industry sources say a platform selection should be confirmed by Brazil's National Defence Council - chaired by president Luiz Ignacio Lula da Silva - following the delivery of a 26,000-page report compiled by the nation's air force and overseen by service chief Lt Brig Juniti Saito.

With a decision close at hand, Saab has mounted a final push to promote its Gripen NG, which it claims is the preferred candidate of both the Brazilian air force and Embraer, which will partner the selected company for local production of the chosen aircraft.

The Swedish company's efforts have also gained late support from the UK government, which has thrown its weight firmly behind the Gripen following the selection of Selex Sensors and Airborne Systems' Vixen 1000E/ES05 Raven active electronically scanned array radar for the NG model.

The UK Trade & Investment body says British content in the Gripen NG currently stands at 20% by value, primarily thanks to the radar selection, and that the possible integration of additional equipment could increase this to around 25%.

The outcome of the FX-2 contest appeared to have already been determined on 7 September, when da Silva and his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy held a joint press conference in which the Rafale was named as the preferred candidate.

However, the Brazilian defence ministry swiftly distanced itself from the claim, and invited a second round of best and final offers from all three bidding companies.

One industry source says Saab is fearful that political motives could see the Rafale win in Brazil, with a selection to further strengthen the nation's strategic relationship with France.

Da Silva's government has already inked deals worth around $12 billion to acquire French-supplied equipment including Eurocopter EC725 helicopters and submarines.

Saab is promoting the Gripen NG's promised lower acquisition and operating costs over its twin-engine rivals, and has made significant pledges on industrial and technical partnership deals.

"Our sole intention is to share our technology," says a company official, who adds: "we can make a material difference to their industry."

Sweden's final offer includes an offset package worth 175% of the FX-2 contract's value, with this to include joint development activities on the Gripen NG. Saab's intention is to enable first production examples to roll off production lines in Brazil and Sweden simultaneously during 2014.

Its offer would also allow Embraer to lead future export campaigns in Latin America. Saab has already identified potential sales opportunities with Argentina, Colombia, Ecuador, Mexico and Peru.

Sweden will evaluate the KC-390 transport if Brazil picks the Gripen

Additional benefit to Brazilian industry could come via a Saab proposal to pitch Embraer's EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop trainer and developmental KC-390 tanker/transport to the Swedish air force. Stockholm needs to acquire replacements for its aged Saab 105s and Lockheed Martin C-130s within around the next decade, it notes.

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/11/06/334445/uk-support-bolsters-swedens-gripen-offer-to-brazil.html

Skyman
11-09-2009, 08:57 AM
Just have a chance to get online to MPs.net. Well 4 - 7 November is Defense & Security 2009 in Thailand. Something like IDEX. I had a chance to talk to deputy Thailand Gripen program manager. He said as far as the industry says the talk for the second batch is "ongoing". He said with one year delay it will not cause the problem with the production line. And the J/V, Saab Avia Technology, with Thai defense company Aviasatcom should be the first and it will be more to come. So with this J/V Thailand can development it's own data link in the future. We never got this kind of thing from the other manufacture in the past.

In my opinion, the RTAF might go up request for the approval from the cabinet next year.

Early next year the first batch of Thai Gripen pilot will fly to Sweden. woot

And again I have a chance to fly the Gripen Sim. At least I can say I used to make a 7g turn and loop over the (virtual) Linkoping. rofl rofl rofl There are many many highranking officer as well as defense and justice minister come to try this sim which use the real characteristic and information. As far as they say, and I totally agree with them, the the Gripen is very very easy to fly and more user friendly. (I could land the aircraft by myself woot) The Gripen use very very short runway. Everyone happy with that.

Our justice minister is the real fan of jetfighter. He spent over one hour with the sim. rofl

Also one of the two Swedish pilot who will station in Thailand was here in the show.

DaGreatRV
11-09-2009, 10:45 AM
^^^^ Any word on which type of Gripen Thailands next batch is gonna be? Regular or NG?

Skyman
11-10-2009, 11:44 AM
^^^^ Any word on which type of Gripen Thailands next batch is gonna be? Regular or NG?

Just C/D. In fact, the second batch will be 6 JAS-39C with RBS-15F and some other equipment and facility along with another Saab 340 AEW&C

Swingrole
11-12-2009, 05:06 AM
Good news for Gripen and others involved – so far anyway. :)




US OK with systems for Gripen?


StratPost
South Asian Defense & Strategic Affairs

Thursday, November 12, 2009
By Saurabh Josh

In what is the clearest indication of the likely US attitude towards the supply of systems and technology to the Swedish Gripen, were it to win the Indian MMRCA (Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft) race, the US has agreed to the fitting of Royal Thai Air Force Gripen aircraft with its weapons systems. These include the AIM-9M and AIM-120 C-5 air-to-air rocket system, precision bombs and AGM-66 Maverick air-to-ground tactical missile.

A controversy over whether the US would be willing to supply components and systems for the Gripen aircraft under its end use monitoring and technology transfer laws had apparently placed questions on the strength of the Swedish pitch earlier this year. Competitors in the race had questioned its ability to easily deliver parts and systems that were claimed to be substantially US-built.

But with the US now agreeing to supply systems to Thai Gripens, senior Indian officials think it would be difficult for the US to deny systems to any ‘Indian’ Gripens, after agreeing to supply them to Thailand. “They would find it difficult to say no to us, if they’re providing systems for the Thai. Especially after all the fuss we went through over the End Use Agreement,” says one senior official.

Saab for now has little to say, with Anne Lewis-Olsson, Communications Director, India restricting her comments to, “Saab is glad to see the Thai air force has selected US weapons apart from the Swedish RBS-15.”

Source: http://www.stratpost.com/us-ok-with-systems-for-gripen

signatory
11-12-2009, 05:31 AM
senior Indian officials

“They would find it difficult to say no to us, if they’re providing systems for the Thai. Especially after all the fuss we went through over the End Use Agreement,” says one senior official.



Blah blah blah blah blah blah. A senior toilet cleaner ?

It would be a bit odd if the US or any other country let their old or new customers strap components, missiles and bombs to anything that might work... without at least getting a nod "OK".

Anyway, nothing to care about.. just silly people talking. :)

Swingrole
11-12-2009, 05:39 AM
Short-range robot ready for Gripen




Published: 2009-11-12

FMV has delivered the robot 98 or Iris-T, as it is known, to the Swedish Armed Forces. The robot will replace the current robot 74 for the Gripen aircraft.




Iris-T is optimized in order to combat targets on very short distance from its own airplane and is a complement to the robots Amraam and Meteor, which are primarily intended to combat targets at long distances.

Iris-T is a European collaboration between six countries: Germany, Italy, Spain, Greece, Norway and Sweden.

- I think this is a good example of a very successful international project. Cooperative climate has always been very good. The countries have been sensitive to each others' views and the will to find constructive solutions to problems encountered have been great, "says Hakan Bergstrom, director of Air and Space at the FMV.

Proof of this is that no national special solutions have been charged to the project, which also has been successful to get all countries in the same production contract.

Although the robot is designed for short shooting distance, so is the performance over long distances also very good. Compared to Robot 74 targets of much longer distance can be fought with Iris-T.

The system consists of combat robots, robots, exercise, blind robots, test kits and tool kits and ground handling equipment. The robot is modular, and it is very easy to upgrade the robot's software.

Iris-T is optimized for use with a display integrated into the pilot's helmet, known as HMD, Helmet Mounted Display, IRST, Infrared Search and Track, radar and other systems for measuring the goals. With appropriate sensors on the aircraft can Iris-T also combat objectives behind its own aircraft

Weight, length and interface with the airplane is basically the same as for robotic 74. This has been a guiding requirement for development work to facilitate the integration of countries' existing fighter aircraft.

Iris-T will be integrated on the EF2000 Typhoon, F-16 Fighting Falcon, JAS-39 Gripen, PA-200 Tornado, F-18 Hornet and F-4 Phantom II. Lockheed Martin does, on behalf of Norway, a feasibility for the integration of Iris-T on the Joint Strike Fighter.

The main supplier is the German company Diehl BGT Defense GmbH & Co. KG in Germany. They have hired a dozen industries in the countries involved as subcontractors. From Sweden participates Saab Bofors Dynamics AB. The final delivery of the robots to the Swedish Armed Forces will take place in 2010.

Source: http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=4931

ayanami_tard
11-12-2009, 05:53 AM
is it true that IRIS-T is based on AIM-9L missile?

signatory
11-12-2009, 06:05 AM
You're on a roll Swinrole! Good news. @ayanami_tard, I don't see much that can be similar other than on the inside and if that is the case then it would be the AIM-9L/I-1 which is the Diehl BGT modified version (I short for Improved afaik..) Maybe the Germans here know details.

Speaking of "robot"...

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AGM-65 / Robot 75 Maverick

Last month 12 instructor pilots from the F 7 Gripen training divisions took part in live firings of the Swedish AGM-65 deriviate Rb 75T at the Vidsel base to brush up on their tactical knowledge. Sweden, Hungary and Thailand all use or intend to use Maverick with Gripen.

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Low and hard. JAS 39A firing RB 75T

So I'm taking this opportunity to update mainly some of my fellow Swedes...

The Rb 75T is a old license built Swedish Maverick based on the AGM-65A with modified TV-guidance and heavier warhead. Inherited from the SAAB Viggen it was primarily intended under the previous defense doctrine as a anti-ship and fixed infrastructure attack weapon. As the JAS 39A/B jets will be decommisioned over the next few years so will this Swedish unique version since it is not directly compatible with the C/D material system.

The question on wasting resources and a possible capability gap has been lifted on various blogs however the relevance for Rb 75T in a current/future Swedish defense is small. In addition to necessary full body life-extension and C/D integration costs there's also a need to purchase a update kit on seeker etc to make it relevant as a modern CAS and anti-armor weapon. The Rb 75T is very short range as a over land attack weapon in under-the-weather profiles and exposes the aircraft more than necessary to hostile systems compared to new and more widely used products in the AGM-65 family.

Defense has concluded that a upgrade program is too costly and lengthy if it is to produce a suitable weapon. Sweden therefore intends to supplement the Attackrobotsystem Rb 75 Maverick with a version suitable for JAS 39C/D and the new defense doctrine. The MoD confirmed the plans a few months back. Hungary has for instance bought the AGM-65G (IR) and H (CCD). A capability gap does exist on the Swedish C/D fleet since only in limited numbers has jets been fitted with the ordered NATO pylons so far which is a requirement for introducing the new series of ground attack weapons integrated on Gripen.

The ground attack capability will over time be further strengthened but it is unlikely it's possible to speed up that process since the bottom line is getting new pylons delivered and fitted.

Gripen with 4 Maverick AGM 65 missiles on Nato Pylons
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AGM-65G/H operational on Hungarian JAS 39C/D.

JAS 39C NATO pylon, LAU-117 Maverick Launcher, AGM-65G (Training)
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Images: Airpower blog hu, mil.se, saabgroup.com

Breerman
11-12-2009, 06:07 AM
is it true that IRIS-T is based on AIM-9L missile?
No. IRIS-T is a European project that replaces AIM-9 Sidewinder.

Skyman
11-12-2009, 08:07 AM
Good news for Gripen and others involved – so far anyway. :)




US OK with systems for Gripen?



I don't understand why there is such a news. RTAF has AIM-9M and AIM-120C in their inventory for many years. More than 10 years for sure. Also we use LGB bomb since the F-5 and AGM-65 is a long time in our inventory. :cantbeli:

And why they should say no since they can make the money from weapon sale, because if the US decide to post the new ban on weapon sale, which already been lift for a looooog time, we can swtich to Meteor or IRIS-T, that's make US lost more market.

Or maybe this is the new request for weapon sale? :-*$

JohanGrön
11-12-2009, 04:19 PM
http://i33.*******.com/mt807rdotjpg
Low and hard. JAS 39A firing RB 75T

Judging by the significant smoke plume it's the Thiokol TX-481 motor and not the reduced smoke version of the same. What's the plan for the remaining Rb 75T's, are they all to be used for live training or is it true that Raytheon buys old ones because the motors are still in immaculate condition?


The Rb 75T is a old license built Swedish Maverick based on the AGM-65A with modified TV-guidance and heavier warhead. Inherited from the SAAB Viggen it was primarily intended under the previous defense doctrine as a anti-ship and fixed infrastructure attack weapon.

What's the weight of the Rb 75T warhead and do the modification include a delayed impact fuzed blast fragmentation warhead (for maximum penetrating performance against surface wessels and fortifications) or the original AGM-65A shaped-charge warhead with ordinary impact fuze?

Does the modified TV-guidance of the Rb 75T resemble the larger image resultion of the AGM-65B or what is the swedish modification of the TV-guidance system trying to remedy with the original rather small TV image of the AGM-65A?


LAU-117 Maverick Launcher
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http://i38.*******.com/2wem5g2dotjpg
http://i35.*******.com/2dirn2odotjpg


Can Gripen use the triple-rail Maverick launcher LAU-88 aswell as the the single rail LAU-117?

signatory
11-12-2009, 11:59 PM
What's the plan for the remaining Rb 75T's, are they all to be used for live training or is it true that Raytheon buys old ones because the motors are still in immaculate condition?

No idea.


What's the weight of the Rb 75T warhead and do the modification include a delayed impact fuzed blast fragmentation warhead (for maximum penetrating performance against surface wessels and fortifications) or the original AGM-65A shaped-charge warhead with ordinary impact fuze?

Yeah the shaped-charge was replaced by a HE blast-fragmentation warhead.. later the Americans used a same size 136Kg warhead on AGM-65 models but not together with the TV-guidance so we're the only ones with that. Rb 75 was modified again about 20 years ago but I don't know what was done but the first modification to the TV-guidance and target allocation was for that optimized sea target role. I would think that involved adjusting constrast settings for over sea as opposed to over land. I don't think the B has any higher resolution ? but it has magnification...

A background for reasons to modify is to look at the weapon it replaced, the SAAB Rb 05A. That smaller anti-ship weapon on Viggen filled the same role and type of warhead. (The modified man-portable HELLFIRE Rb 17 also got rid of the shape-charge btw so it's pretty clear this is what they want against small ships) The Rb 75T was a cheaper way to continue the light-antishipping role with updated technology.

I would like to see another replacement... something that is not free-falling.. and preferably multirole. The French got some nice ideas but I'm not really keen on working too much with them as long as Sarko is playing protectionist.


Can Gripen use the triple-rail Maverick launcher LAU-88 aswell as the the single rail LAU-117?

No but that's an out-of-date product anyway afaik since it can only hold the D and H (and A/B).. I think I've seen a dual-rail in the works maybe that could be something.

Swingrole
11-13-2009, 09:36 AM
I'm not familiar with the price tag of the Rafales but according to one article I read it said that the French had to cut the price substantially if they were gonna stand a chance of winning the Brazilian competition. And for the Gripen's chances to win; well I don't know. There are way too many geopolitical obstacles to overcome for a small country like Sweden in a deal like this one. Or what do you think out there, has SAAB a chance with their last sweetened bid???

PS The French should be the last ones to accuse others of dirty play...




Dassault Lashes Out At Brazil Jet Competitors



AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 12 Nov 2009

SAO PAULO, Brazil - French aircraft maker Dassault lashed out Nov. 12 at Swedish and U.S. competitors for a multi-billion-dollar jet fighter contract in Brazil, accusing them of playing dirty.

The Brazilian subsidiary of the French company held a hastily called news conference in Brasilia to accuse Saab of Sweden and Boeing of the United States of trying to improperly tilt the contest in their favor by claiming Dassault's Rafale jet was too expensive.

"Unfortunately, our competitors have started to make public declarations that don't correspond to reality in a bid to influence the decision," Dassault executive Jean-Marc Merialdo said in the conference broadcast on the Internet.

The Rafale has been seen as the front-runner throughout the process because of France's pledge to transfer all technology related to the high-tech fighter so Brazil can eventually build the planes itself.

That position was reinforced two months ago when the presidents of Brazil and France, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and Nicolas Sarkozy, issued a joint statement saying Brazil had initiated negotiations to buy 36 Rafales.

Since then, the process has been held up pending delivery to the Brazilian government of an Air Force technical assessment of the three contenders.

That report is due to be delivered by the end of the month, according to Dassault.

Lula has said he will make the final decision based on political and strategic considerations rather than purely budgetary ones - bolstering the bid from France, which enjoys a strategic relationship with Brazil.

Saab and Boeing are far from ready to throw in the towel, however, and have sought to portray their aircraft - the Gripen NG and the F/A-18 Super Hornet, respectively - as the best choice for Brazil.

A Boeing executive in charge of international investment, Michael Coggins, last week accused France of being "intellectually dishonest" by ignoring moves in the U.S. Congress to also approve the transfer of "key" technology of the F/A-18 to Brazil.

Dassault was also guilty of "fear marketing" because the Rafale was 40 percent more expensive than the Boeing fighter, Coggins charged in an interview with the newspaper Folha de Sao Paulo.

Dassault's Merialdo would not discuss prices, citing a confidentiality clause in the tender.

But he stated that claims the Rafale was more expensive by such a margin were "unfounded" and asserted it was "comparable to other aircraft of the same class."

Source: http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4374152&c=EUR&s=AIR

signatory
11-14-2009, 03:03 AM
A weekend read for people who might be able to decrypt the Swedish language.

Last year Student Maria Wikforss at KTH (Royal Institute of Technology) wrote a 30p degree project on the JAS 39 display principles.

It's all in Swedish so I'll share some of the images here.

Not possible to direct link for mp.net automatic word-censoring but you can find it here (http://www.google.com/search?q=Designprinciper+f%C3%B6r+anv%C3%A4ndbarhet+i+JAS39+Gripen&ie=UTF-8&hl=sv&btnG=Google+Search):

The displays show different modes, these are some examples:

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Saab Gripen and Tunnan cockpits, flight instrumentation.


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Upper part of the display a familiar Basic-T flight instrumentation layout. Speed indication to the left.
Lower part: Engine parameters, Stores

Quick indication: Shaded area. Quick read-out:Arrow. Detailed: digital numbers.


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Other modes (from left to right):

Upper part: Defensive (360 degrees), Aerial Refueling, Level flight, Video overlay
Bottom: Basic-T , weapon stores, playtime

+ 2 dispalys of basic flight modes.


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Playtime: Other than to just show remaining fuel this mode selection show available remaining time under current flight profile. Substracted from time needed to return to base.


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The picture show 2 MFDs on radar, map and multisensor modes.

Upper part MFD M1 Multisensorindicator: cross-section altitude
Bottom part MFD M1: radar coverage

(blue not scanned)

MFD T1: Map and tactical indicator

signatory
11-15-2009, 12:55 PM
2nd attempt to sum up the countries where SAAB currently eye Gripen deals in perhaps 10 years time. 35-40 countries with everything from weak to strong interest is currently targeted by both SAAB and the Swedish state according to themselves and media reports.

At Le bourget '08 Saab talked to 37 countries and later that year around 30 national representatives came for a tour at the Saab factory.

The list should be viewed as countries that has shown interest and where the door is still open.

Update: Ukraine, Colombia and Peru.
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Czech Republic
Signed a lease of 14 Gripens in 2004. Has a political requirement for a purchase after lease period, and military requirement for a second squadron. Recommendations on Gripen but no final decision yet.


Hungary
Acquired 14 Gripens in 2003 for 30-year multirole solution. Military requirement for additional jets (4 to 10)


South Africa
Acquired 26 Gripens in 1999 as its new multirole fighter backbone. Military requirement for additional jets (8 to 12).


Thailand
Signed for 6 jets 2008, Options for 6 more. Possibly future requirements.


Argentina


Colombia


Ukraine
Thoughts on license production.


Peru


Brunei
Interested in establishing a multirole fighter capability


Ecuador


Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Baltic states interested in establishing a collective fighter capability


Malaysia
Early talks on replacing MIG-29


Mexico


Oman


Philippines
Close to a Gripen deal in the past but fighter program stalled due to costs


Saudi Arabia


Singapore
For F-5 replacement, priority interest towards JSF


Nigeria


Slovenia


Canada
JSF partner but might hold a competition


United Kingdom
Potentially interested in contractor based dissimilar air combat training


Qatar


Denmark
JSF partner, Gripen one of three jets on shortlist


Netherlands
JSF partner, practically no support for Gripen.


Brazil
One of three jets on the shortlist


Bulgaria
Requirement to buy new multirole fighters


Romania
Requirement to replace Lancer, delayed due to costs.


Switzerland
Requirement to replace F-5. Decision planned spring 2010.


Croatia
Requirement to buy multirole fighters, held up by costs.


India
MMRCA tender, requirement for 126+ jets. Gripen one of 6 contenders.


Slovakia
Requirement to replace MIG-29's over time.


Greece
Planning to add new fighters to replace old and crashed. Might open up a process late 2009.


Sweden
Long term commitment ->2040, targeting NG/E/F upgrade in 5-10yrs


South Korea
Possible development partner, new defense trade MoU signed July 2009


Kuwait
Talks according to two foreign media sources


Belgium


Portugal


Tunisia
Modernization requirement. Small fleet of F-5 jets ordered 1977, a former SAAB Safir customer.


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Mainly based on these links. saab (http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/4E1FAB83-921C-448D-8705-8CF7B8460C08/0/Aeronautics_LS_CMD_080905.pdf), Flightglobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/06/07/327209/paris-air-show-gripping-gripen.html), Ainonline (http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/raven-radar-equipped-gripen-to-fly-by-year-end-1/),link (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/11/06/334445/uk-support-bolsters-swedens-gripen-offer-to-brazil.html).

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Hagshult exercise

Herman the II
11-15-2009, 01:09 PM
Re: Switzerland campaign

The largest conservative party in Switzerland the SVP now wants to delay the fighter purchase for some years.
So after the MoD its now also the SVP that wants to delay the purchase. I see little chance for the project in the near term. Unfortunately....



SVP bekräftigt ihre Haltung zur Armee

Dabei bekräftigte die SVP ihre Haltung zur Armee und will die Kampfjet-Beschaffung vorläufig auf Eis legen.


http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/kultur/literatur_und_kunst/schweiz_wintersession_fraktionen_sitzungen_1.4013452.html

TGIF
11-16-2009, 10:31 AM
First flight for Thai AEW

http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/first_flight_for_thai_aew.htm

http://www.saabgroup.com/NR/rdonlyres/36799CFC-FB9C-4BCF-B124-F62B39F66BBA/9990/Thai_Gripen_Saab_340_AEW_45dotjpg
Photo Credit: Saab, Peter Liander

(Some what related to the Gripen news)

2009-11-16 |

The Saab 340 Erieye AEW flight took two hours and 14 minutes and was executed by Magnus Fredriksson and Åke Wargh from Saab.

"The flight went as expected and we tested all the basic aircraft systems. We now look forward to continuing the tests in order to then be able to deliver the aircraft to Thailand," says Magnus Fredriksson.

A complete aircraft and command and control system

In 2008, Thailand ordered a complete aircraft and command and control system from the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) in a Government to Government deal. The order includes six Gripen C/D with associated equipment and service, a Saab 340 AEW equipped with Erieye radar and data links, one Saab 340 aircraft for transport and training plus a command and control system with data links.

During November and in the spring further flights will be realized, interoperability trials will be carried out along with the other elements of the Thailand order.

signatory
11-17-2009, 10:35 AM
Gripen User Group Exercises At FLSC

Google translate:


Air Battles over Gotland - but not for real
Published: 17 November 2009, at 14:52 Central news

Hungarians, Swedes and Czechs in aerial combat and bomb attacks over the island of Gotland. It was one of the scenarios when the Gripen pilots and air battle managers from several countries jointly trained in flight simulators.

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On FLSC are eight air combat simulator that can run connected.

Gripen User Group is a collaboration between the countries with the Gripen aircraft, namely Sweden, Hungary, the Czech Republic and South Africa. Now, Thailand is also about to embark on cooperation. During Tuesday and Friday ran virtual battles between Swedes, Hungarians and Czechs. One jointly train, namely on the Air Force's Air Combat Simulation Center (FLSC) in Kista. There are Defense Research Agency FOI, an impressive facility for practicing tactical air combat.

- Here we can jointly develop our tactical skills, "says Major Peter Wiklund from F 21 which was one of the hosts of the exercise.

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In the big picture screen play air battles up and you do a debrief with the pilots afterwards.

The plant consists roughly expressed by eight paired advanced flight simulators in large sphere-shaped display that gives the illusion that you see the horizon around him. The simulators have combat functions like in a real Gripen aircraft, but no emergency system. The room is also a large white screen, with easy chairs where you can sit and see all perspectives at once from the above perspective, and listen to communications between pilots and air traffic controllers in the headset.

- These simulants are not designed to teach people to fly, here are trained only battle tactics and planning, said air battle managers Niclas Lagerback, who works as a contact on FLSC.

The pilots receive their mission assigned and some are designated as enemy. They may plan missions, add up tactics and implement air passes. Afterwards battle scenario is played out on your screen so that pilots can relive the battles and evaluate what went well and what can be improved.

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- Here we can take the best parts from other countries and thereby improve our own tactics, "said Pavel Pavlik, Check Republic Air Force.

- The Gripen systems can take in and present large amounts of information. Here the pilots practice on managing and sort all this information in a safe environment, "says Niclas Lagerback.

The simulators can also be programmed so that the Gripen planes made against foreign aircraft if you like. And it is equally easy to switch arms.

- It is of course a huge saving compared to making this real. This time each pilot to train combat in large units without interference of other air traffic for eleven flights passport in a week, something else can take place only in special air training with large Embargoed air training areas. Plus, they can shoot the amount of ammunition and missiles they want without spending a dime, "says Peter Wiklund.

source (http://www.mil.se/sv/Nyheter/centralanyheter/Luftstrider-over-Gotland--fast-pa-latsas/)


Read a previous and longer post about FLSC here. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3987546&postcount=1489)

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freethinker
11-17-2009, 12:03 PM
Wow thanks a lot for the simulator article. Very cool stuff.

I'd love to see the US facility linked with the Swedish one and see some F22 vs Gripen action :D

signatory
11-17-2009, 04:05 PM
A more cool version..... with Gripen.

http://www.youtube.com/v/GkHZHPTJepA

gazell
11-17-2009, 06:57 PM
A more cool version..... with Gripen.

http://www.youtube.com/v/GkHZHPTJepA

One is just missing the ***** women, really.

signatory
11-18-2009, 10:18 AM
One is just missing the ***** women, really.

That might just happen some day the way our Czech friends are moving... p-)

RWR (http://www.211squadron.cz/aktuality/kalendar10_1dotjpg)

^^

(Yes the infamous Cz 211sq calendar is now in production... )

Jesupojk
11-18-2009, 10:25 AM
That might just happen some day the way our Czech friends are moving... p-)

RWR (http://www.211squadron.cz/aktuality/kalendar10_1dotjpg)

^^

(Yes the infamous Cz 211sq calendar is now in production... )

How do i get that calendar? I guess it will greatley help me keeping check on dates and such...

signatory
11-19-2009, 05:49 AM
How do i get that calendar? I guess it will greatley help me keeping check on dates and such...

Yeah your "dates"... I bet it will be up on a webshop when it's ready.. might be a good idea to email the squadron for a link.

That pic also reminded me of a little mystery I've never gotten a explanation for so maybe someone here might know?

Why South African Gripens use different Wing Tip Units.

http://i48.*******.com/mk90mhdotjpg

Ps. SAAF Gripen with LITENING POD (http://www.airliners.net/photo/South-Africa--/Saab-JAS39D-Gripen/1608702/L/&sid=556de8abdfed95a157f38ed47ae0dfe2)

Hydrant
11-19-2009, 12:22 PM
How do i get that calendar? I guess it will greatley help me keeping check on dates and such...

Try contact right 211th squadron. Their e-mail: 211.squadron@seznam.cz


Some nice wallpapers :
http://www.211squadron.cz/foto/wallpapers.html

http://www.211squadron.cz/foto/wallpapers/wall03%201024x768dotjpg

Walker-69
11-19-2009, 01:39 PM
That might just happen some day the way our Czech friends are moving... p-)

RWR (http://www.211squadron.cz/aktuality/kalendar10_1dotjpg)



That IS a nice gurl.

I found another pic when I replaced the last number in the address of the web page, this way:

http://www.211squadron.cz/aktuality/kalendar10_2dotjpg

But there seems to be no others...

gazell
11-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Now let's just get back to the Wing Tip Units issue, 'cause I'm gonna get derailing stuff again, I'm Nobel prize on that stuff.:)

signatory
11-19-2009, 10:03 PM
Now let's just get back to the Wing Tip Units issue, 'cause I'm gonna get derailing stuff again, I'm Nobel prize on that stuff.:)

Heh.

Ok...


http://i48.*******.com/mk90mhdotjpg

I guess it could be those optional interferometer antennas then... ? It's on all four wing-tip units. Didn't yet look around if there might be elsewhere...



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With optional interferometer receivers, it can determine the bearing of an emitter within a degree

Gripen, lion of the sky: Sweden takes on the world with the first fighter of the 21st century.
Publication: Journal of Electronic Defense
Publication Date: 01-AUG-04


It's super-difficult to find out what's going on in the South African program :|

Saab's ESM/RWR system on Tornado (same modular EW-system):

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2664/tornadohdotjpg

Also says (http://products.saabgroup.com/PDBWebNew/GetFile.aspx?PathType=ProductFiles&FileType=Files&Id=7852)1 degree DF.

Atle
11-20-2009, 11:48 AM
Heh.

Ok...



I guess it could be those optional interferometer antennas then... ? It's on all four wing-tip units. Didn't yet look around if there might be elsewhere...



It's super-difficult to find out what's going on in the South African program :|


Also says (http://products.saabgroup.com/PDBWebNew/GetFile.aspx?PathType=ProductFiles&FileType=Files&Id=7852)1 degree DF.

In this publication the same matter is commented: https://www.myaoc.org/EWEB/images/aoc_library/JED_Documents/JEDM_0607.pdf


While the European operators have
a seemingly common configuration,
pictures of South Africa’s single test
aircraft reveal a different arrangement
of wingtip units (WTU), which include
quadrant RWR antennas. According to
Kenneth Svensson, product manager
at Saab Microwave Systems, improved
functions are currently being consid-
ered for EWS 39, including integration
of MAW, interferometric antenna arrays
for improved direction finding and geo-
location, improved jammer performance
and dispensing capability.


A bit vague, but might be a hint.

*zeven*
11-20-2009, 07:17 PM
It's a real shame about those images. I never thought I, who's extremely fond of Gripen, would say it but having a bunch of undressed ladies (would had been just as bad with undressed gentlemen) who doesn't even look like they belong in that environment clinging all over the jet really killed of all joy in seing new photos of Gripen.

I mean absolutely no offense to those who DO like the images and I mean no offense to the pretty ladies either so pelase don't take my post the wrong way. It's not the ladies being undressed or people enjoying to look at those type of images that's the problem. I must add though that it's sort of interesting that images like that with undressed ladies are made and published but we don't see any with undressed gentlemen clinging on the jets *joking*.

Seriously though: In my humble opinion it would have been a lot better with a callendar with just the pretty ladies for those who like to look at them, and then one with just the jets ;) .

Seriously whats wrong with you? how hard can it be to put your "love" for gripen aside and enjoy a cool pic with hot girls its an awesome pic

tidls
11-20-2009, 09:03 PM
Muay Thai Gripen. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/ThaiGripendotjpg?t=1258760444

Swingrole
11-21-2009, 04:04 AM
The ever ongoing problems with testflights



The danish journalist Andreas Krog writes a lot about Denmarks procurement of new fighter jets in his blog. According to him a Lockheed Martin representative in October last, mocked Gripen NG for not having carried out any testflights.

The funny thing is that LM themselves have a hard time struggling with their own testflights... :roll:

The New York Times wrote on November 20, 2009 that Pentagon and Congressional auditors have criticized the F35-program in recent years for problems with suppliers, delays in producing the first planes and a flight test program that remains only 2 percent complete.

So my question to you fellows who has a better knowledge in this matter than me: How are the testflights going for Gripen NG? As far as I can tell they seem more or less on schedule. At least they are running at a much faster pace than the F35, or have I missed something here???

Source:

Andreas Krog blog:
http://www.andreaskrog.dk/

The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/business/21plane.html

*zeven*
11-21-2009, 07:24 AM
What's wrong with me? Well first of all I'm NOT a ******* and hence is NOT attracted to girls thank you very much. Would YOU enjoy the supposedly "cool pics" had it been "hot guys" in them instead hm? Second of all I was merely making a polite statement on my view and see no reason why you instantly bash me for it when I was polite, said I think it was very much all right to like looking at undressed girls and clearly said that I was NOT attacking people like you who apparently enjoy these images so very, very much. Nor did I say anything like "What the hell is wrong with you people for liking this!!!" I never said anything of the kind UNLIKE you who apparently aren't capable of replying politely to someone who doesn't happen to share YOUR 'love' for "hot girls". I did NOT say that it was wrong to enjoy looking at "hot girls", nor did I say anyone was bad for liking the pictures. Try to understand the difference.

I was under the impression it was allowed to have differing opinions on things. Apparently I was wrong so forget I said anything Mister. I have no intention of starting a flame war and ruin this otherwise great thread. So, sorry to have bothered you who apparently believe your opinions are better than someone elses. So go look at your “hot girls” for all i care.

Why dont you read your post one more time! I don't care about the girls in question! but your reason to point it out in the first place! Thank you very much!

*zeven*
11-21-2009, 07:27 AM
The ever ongoing problems with testflights




The danish journalist Andreas Krog writes a lot about Denmarks procurement of new fighter jets in his blog. According to him a Lockheed Martin representative in October last, mocked Gripen NG for not having carried out any testflights.
This is more or less LM's Signature! state out incorrect statements when its actually themselves who got issiues. LM continously shooting itself in the foot!

*zeven*
11-21-2009, 07:45 AM
You know nothing of my reasons so why don't you stop jumping to conclusions. But I have removed the post in question so you won't be offended anymore.
Im not offended? i just wonder why the need to point it out that the picture would have been better witout the girls. when infact it was taken from a calander in the fist place! (the entire purpose was about the girls!) because you loved gripen so much! nothing more to it. you don't need to bring it up for serious debate! you'll find out plenty of of the same in here! afterall its a forum for debate. im afriad you toke my respons why to serious. But this is way off topic, and Sigatory will not be happy when he see this childish argumentation between us! so let us go on with the TOPIC "gripen news"
I whish you a nice day!
cheers!

Breerman
11-21-2009, 09:19 AM
The ever ongoing problems with testflights



The danish journalist Andreas Krog writes a lot about Denmarks procurement of new fighter jets in his blog. According to him a Lockheed Martin representative in October last, mocked Gripen NG for not having carried out any testflights-

The funny thing is that LM themselves have a hard time struggling with their own testflights... :roll:

The New York Times wrote on November 20, 2009 that Pentagon and Congressional auditors have criticized the F35-program in recent years for problems with suppliers, delays in producing the first planes and a flight test program that remains only 2 percent complete.

So my question to you fellows who has a better knowledge in this matter than me: How are the testflights going for Gripen NG? As far as I can tell they seem more or less on schedule. At least they are running at a much faster pace than the F35, or have I missed something here???

Source:

Andreas Krog blog:
http://www.andreaskrog.dk/

The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/business/21plane.html
According to Saab the maiden flight for Gripen NG was on 2008-05-27 and has since performed 1.5 years of ongoing test flights with breaks for various modifications (AESA radar, satellite communication etc.). The test results are said to superseed the expectations. I don't know but I can't see why they wouldn't be on schedule.

gazell
11-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Heh.

Just see what followed, I'm good at this.


Ok...



I guess it could be those optional interferometer antennas then... ? It's on all four wing-tip units. Didn't yet look around if there might be elsewhere...



It's super-difficult to find out what's going on in the South African program :|

Saab's ESM/RWR system on Tornado (same modular EW-system):

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2664/tornadohdotjpg

Also says (http://products.saabgroup.com/PDBWebNew/GetFile.aspx?PathType=ProductFiles&FileType=Files&Id=7852)1 degree DF.

So we do not really know the reasons for such modifications? Someone must do.

kme
11-21-2009, 07:32 PM
According to Saab the maiden flight for Gripen NG was on 2008-05-27 and has since performed 1.5 years of ongoing test flights with breaks for various modifications (AESA radar, satellite communication etc.). The test results are said to superseed the expectations. I don't know but I can't see why they wouldn't be on schedule. Isn't this the usual confusion of Gripen Demo and Gripen NG? The Demo has flown for 1½ year but is a converted Gripen B without the proper avionics, radar and a zillion other details. Not a single NG has been produced yet.

Breerman
11-21-2009, 08:03 PM
Isn't this the usual confusion of Gripen Demo and Gripen NG? The Demo has flown for 1½ year but is a converted Gripen B without the proper avionics, radar and a zillion other details. Not a single NG has been produced yet.
If there is any confusion I think it's because "Next Generation" is more of a general direction model. The production name will be different.

NG is not a new model but a modified Gripen. It can be built from scratch or converted. The NG plane now flying is rebuilt structurally and internally according to the specifications and the various upgrades are fitted according to a schedule.

signatory
11-21-2009, 09:57 PM
Isn't this the usual confusion of Gripen Demo and Gripen NG? The Demo has flown for 1½ year but is a converted Gripen B without the proper avionics, radar and a zillion other details. Not a single NG has been produced yet.

Well yeah it is a confusion and the F-35 has one as well. The jet the Danes is thinking about is based on the conventional weight-optimized AF-1 JSF that only had its first flight a week ago (after LM made those comments in Denmark) and is also not equipped with all the sensor and mission systems under consideration. No F-35 aircraft fly a AESA today. Gripen Demo is flying as of last month with most of the planned sensor suite including the new radar. Its upgraded avionics architecture is to be installed next summer but is running on a ground rig already and in part on other test aircraft just like the F-35 has some upcoming equipment running on its testbeds.

What is really missing as far as a 'NG aircraft' is a fully production representative airframe however getting there doesn't require a total redesign but mainly a new central/rear section. So in the end yes both camps got work to do... to not take into account the Demo-program as part of the NG test program would be dishonest just like it would be wrong not to acknowledge flights on various JSF models besides AF-1. The Gripen program has accomplished over 7000 test flights and some 80-ish of them on the new Demonstrator so I'd say they kind of know where things should be moving by now. If Danes at all care about test flights is another subject...

JohanGrön
11-22-2009, 01:03 PM
Remember the TV journalist Shiv Aroor from Delhi (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4472879&postcount=1881) who visited Linköping?

Here's the show that was broadcast in India :


http://www.youtube.com/v/k_RJIHkLvfs


http://www.youtube.com/v/qEpJRTcycFk


http://www.youtube.com/v/NleOwIYJKTQ

I couldn't find any more parts ...


//JG

Murphy
11-22-2009, 11:37 PM
I couldn't find any more parts ...



He'll probably add the rest soon..

All 5 parts are available on the original newssite though:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Video/71905/42/Videos/India+to+sign+deal+for+JAS+39+Gripen.html

signatory
11-23-2009, 05:46 AM
Solved Ty TGIF.

All SAAF jets now has three markings on their top right side. Something ring-like and then a star + text.

http://i50.*******.com/nwfp8hdotjpg

TGIF
11-23-2009, 06:24 AM
Solve the South African mystery #2


Then something changed and all SAAF jets now has three markings on their top right side. Something ring-like and then a star + text.

...

So does anyone know, got a good enough photo to read the text, know what the star symbol is for in the SAAF.. ?

I did a quick Google search and found this in a Swedish forum:

http://forum.soldf.com/index.php?showtopic=35966&mode=threaded&pid=648499

According to the poster, these are fuel caps enabling gravity fuel filling, just like your car. Seems like a smart idea and I'm surprised this isn't part of the Swedish "Bas 90" system. Would be handy when operating off small roads where you might not have all kinds of supporting equipment at hand.

signatory
11-23-2009, 06:34 AM
According to the poster, these are fuel caps enabling gravity fuel filling, just like your car. Seems like a smart idea and I'm surprised this isn't part of the Swedish "Bas 90" system. Would be handy when operating off small roads where you might not have all kinds of supporting equipment at hand.

Hah. Cool. Thanks for finding the link! Maybe I should start to use Swedish again... :)

I wonder if they will ever use them...

ozumn
11-23-2009, 09:58 AM
Öh Swedish forums are almost always better when it comes to gripen, like Svensk Flyghistorisk Förening (sff)


http://www.flyghistoria.org/

signatory
11-23-2009, 03:53 PM
Öh Swedish forums are almost always better when it comes to gripen, like Svensk Flyghistorisk Förening (sff)

http://www.flyghistoria.org/

Meh. There's a couple of good individuals on the Swedish forums that might answer questions like that but for the most part the sites are fairly slow on Gripen especially sff and often just post the occational story from more active English forums or mil.se. That's in part why I didnt google in Swedish...

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http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5932/brazilflagdotjpg

Brazil.. apparently there's a meeting between Jobim Nelson and the FAB on Thursday. But no decision is expected before xmas.


23/11/2009
Tolgfors Flies Out to Brazil on Gripen Mission

Sweden's defence minister Sten Tolgfors travelled to Brazil on Monday hoping to tie up a sales deal for Sweden's Gripen fighter jet.

Writing in his blog, Tolgfors said that the Brazilian government was close to making a decision over which fighter plane to purchase, even though the exact decision date is not known.

source (http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/International/nyhetssidor/artikel.asp?ProgramID=2054&format=1&artikel=3258138)



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Computer translated G-T.


Jobim delivery report to Lula
By Marcelo Onaga | 23.11.2009 - 18:44

Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, is now meeting with President Lula to make the technical report prepared by the Brazilian Air Force on three supersonic fighters competing for the Air Force competition. The preference of Jobim and Lula by the French Rafale from Dassault, is wide open. But the report, although not conclusive, does not help the French.

A new data will help the Swedish Saab, which produces the Gripen. According to the report, the cost per hour flown Gripen is 4 000 dollars, 14 000 against the Rafale. Since the cost of the F-18, of Boeing, is around $ 10 000.

FAB pilots have stated a preference for F-18. The game is the most successful in recent conflicts, but it has against him the U.S. government restrictions on technology transfer. Since the Air Force Command and Embraer, which is the national partner of any of those involved, prefer the Swedish Gripen. Besides the lower price by hor flown Gripen costs half the price of French and offers greater access to new technologies.

Still, people close to the government say it is difficult to miss the parade Dassault. Political interests, as France's support for Brazil's entry in the Security Council of the UN, should speak louder.

http://portalexame.abril.com.br/blogs/primeirolugar/20091123_listar_dia.shtml?permalink=209594

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Fiesp defends technical choice in the final program of the F-X2

The expectation of finishing the year with a contract of sale of 36 supersonic fighters signed with the Brazilian Air Force has increased the lobby of the competitors in the F-X2 program.

On the one hand fighter Rafale, the French group Dassault, are appointed as the preferred political authorities, the Gripen NG, the Swedish Saab, has the support of all the Brazilian aerospace supply chain.

Who guarantees the Jairo Candido, director of Comdefesa (Department of Defense Industry), Fiesp (Federation of Industries of Sao Paulo).

In an interview with Valeparaibano Candido said the only open technology is presented by Saab, a factor considered by him as crucial to technology transfer procedures, item pointed by the Ministry of Defense - the body responsible for conducting the auction - as the main to choose the winner in the race, which still has the participation of US-based Boeing, with the F18 Super Hornet.

"The Gripen NG is an enhanced version, this improved version we have the opportunity to work in production. Do together is something that allows us a unique opportunity, I believe this is the best way to transfer technology," said Candide.

Below the main parts of the interview.

Valeparaibano-Did you have access to proposals submitted by three competitors in the program? What do you think best?

Jairo Candide - I saw their presentation at Fiesp, chaired the three presentations. From the viewpoint of technology transfer and point of view of industries in Brazil, the proposal of the Saab is the best. I want to put a caveat before. This question must always be tied to the position that the technical decision of this matter is the Brazilian Air Force. The Brazilian Air Force is who will use the platform, who will use, who will make that kind of thing and has all the expertise to make the decision. But from the standpoint of comfort for the transfer of technology, content and opening, the project of Saab is the best.

vp - The favorite in the FX ended up being the Gripen. Why not keep it?

Candido - I think they are two steps, two projects. In my view this was not a condition likely to occur. Now the position is correct. We are awaiting the decision of the FAB, whatever, let's make this platform in Brazil with the maximum transfer of technology.

vp - There are many explanations about how is the transfer of technology. In practice, many believe that this happens?

Candide - Saab was presented the best proposal to transfer to entrepreneurs. We have the opportunity to work together in developing a new aircraft, that is, an aircraft that already exists, but a new model within this family of fighters. Almost an upgrade of existing aircraft, making it a series of improvements. The Gripen NG is an enhanced version, this improved version we have the opportunity to work in production. Do together is something that allows us a unique opportunity, I believe this is the best way to transfer technology.

vp - Brazilian aircraft chain, which focuses mostly on the Paraíba Valley, is eligible to receive these technologies promised?

Candide - The truth is. All these things are under a regulatory framework, procedures, technological know that there have to our engineers, do not miss our technical knowledge are not lacking in our business. Needs is to be made an arrangement contemplating all that industrial production engineering, the preparation, this structure. We have more than enough people to do this.

vp - Ozires Silva (main coordinator of the project of creation of Embraer), in his statements to the press, claims that the Company could produce the fighters, which should be in this competition. Do you share the same opinion?

Candido - Who am I to disagree with a position of Ozires, a man with a worksheet that you have and the ability of. Embraer is able to make these fighters along the park's technological sector, but would have to get some knowledge somewhere. These things do not go from scratch. I think the word is a bit Ozires mistranslated. What Ozires is saying is that the Company does have the ability to make these planes, I also agree. If we make a real transfer of technology, complete and absolute.

vp - What is the weight of the item price for that finish line?

Candide - Price is important in anything. You still have the price of technology transfer and operational price. No use you buy something that later can not operate or be incompatible with everything you have. Brazil is in a wonderful moment, he can choose with all these issues in their hands. Buy the aircraft you want the lowest price, with the largest transfer of technology in terms of content and value and at the same time, buy a machine to lower operational cost.

VP - And the weight of political preference on the Rafale, Dassault offered by?

Candido - I think President Lula a man absolutely lucid. Minister of Defense [Nelson Jobim] is also a man utterly lucid. There is a great advertising and marketing in an effort to put some participants in situations in the mouth of the Brazilian authorities. For me the report of the FAB will be decisive and representative. What President Lula said is that they have a defense agreement with France, and is real, and from that there is a content agreement that includes these products, but then purchase these products is another story.

vp - benefits such as participation in the production of KC-390 freighter will be produced by Embraer, buying Super Tucano and other additional offers that competitors are doing can influence the final decision?

Candide - Of course not. This is not part of the bid, are only major nods. This kind of thing will not change anything in the decision of the F-X2. Brazil has not said he would like botassem money in the KC-390. They're making the hat courtesy of others.

http://www.ciespsjc.org.br/conteudos.php?act=ler&tipo=2&id=1157

signatory
11-24-2009, 05:26 AM
Slightly delayed post but still a nice photo.

Hungarian and Italian fighters over Slovenia

http://i46.*******.com/2mpzecgdotjpg
Special painted F-16ADF MM7251 with two HuAF Gripens. (c) Air power hu

Italy is reponsible for air defense of Slovenia under the alliance NATINEADS. HuAF is training more over there aswell...

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CHAIR
24/11/2009 - 12:54 pm
Swedish Minister Sarney conversation with fighters on their country

http://i48.*******.com/sln0pddotjpg
[Photo: Senate President José Sarney, was on the morning of Tuesday (24), the defense minister of Sweden, Sten Tolgfors]

The Senate president, José Sarney, was on the morning of Tuesday (24), Defense Minister of Sweden, Sten Tolgfors, who presented the advantages that Brazil will have to opt for the purchase of Swedish Gripen fighters. American, French and Swedish compete contract for the sale of 36 fighter jets to Brazil, a deal that President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has said it will close after a decision of a political and strategic.

On leaving the office of Sarney, Sten Tolgfors defined as very pleasant conversation, during which discussed with the president of the Senate relations between Brazil and Sweden in general. He recalled that he was Minister of Trade of Sweden, a country that has a wide cooperation with Brazil, including bio-fuel and ethanol. Praised the Brazilian experience in clean fuels, but mostly praised the fighters in his country.

- We Swedes are not looking for one client only, but for a long-term partner. We are seeking a long-term partnership to develop the next generation of fighters. We are also offering total technology transfer to Brazil, to make it possible that Brazil has its own technological base in the future for development in aircraft.

When asked about the cost of these aircraft, the Swedish minister argued that the main when not discuss figures, but the advantages of the Swedish aircraft, if Brazil decides to buy them.

- I would say we offer a low cost fighter efficient as possible. If you look at the price, but also to the level of technology offered and for the life cycle of the airplane, it will lower the cost. The cycle of life makes our aircraft more competitive. Thus, can download up to half the price.
Teresa Cardoso / Agência Senado
(Reproduction authorized service agency of the Senate)

http://www.senado.gov.br/agencia/verNoticia.aspx?codNoticia=97660&codAplicativo=2&codEditoria=1


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Brazil's F-X2 decison unlikely before xmas

Jobim said that definition of fighters will come out just after Christmas

According to the Minister of Defense, government hopes to complete a series of tests before hitting the hammer

Elder Ogliari, O Estado de S. Paulo

PORTO ALEGRE - The Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said on Tuesday, 24, the purchase of fighter planes by the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) is unlikely to be defined before the end of this year. He said the Brazilian government hopes to complete a series of tests before hitting the hammer. Missing tests on the operational capability of the aircraft on the country's industrial capacity to absorb technology and the price of the aircraft. It is expected that they will be ready only in December. There are other steps, such as the evaluation of the Defense Ministry, the Presidency and the Council of National Defense.

"I have a tricky decision before Christmas," said the minister, during an interview in Porto Alegre, before traveling to Rio Grande Canoes and to monitor the operation Laçador maneuvers, training that is mobilizing 10 thousand men in three southern states of Brazil .

While acknowledging that "there is a policy choice by France, have expressed even by President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Jobim considered still missing" elements "preference to turn this into a business. "We have to consider other aspects, whether it is the kind of technology we need, if the (aircraft) Rafale responds to conditions of operation and also the cost," the minister cautioned.

source (http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/nacional,jobim-definicao-sobre-cacas-saira-depois-do-natal,471501,0.htm)

signatory
11-25-2009, 07:21 PM
Someone took his allergy pills.

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Google/Freely translated


Meetings with Brazilian Defense Minister Jobim
Published November 25, 2009

Today I met with the Brazilian Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, both in a individual meeting and for lunch.

During meetings and lunch, with the entire Swedish delegation in participation, the Brazilian representation was best possible.

Besides the minister four four-star generals attended. The joint chiefs of the Navy, the Deputy Commander of the Army and Air Force Commander Saito was there, and a four-star general from the Defense Ministry in a consultative capacity in defense development. In addition, an adviser on financial issues attended, at very senior level.

The talks were very good. We talked about the Gripen offer, that the government is behind the offer from Saab and answered questions regarding its contents and possibilities for future collaboration.

The interest from the Brazilian media is large which we - Ake Svensson of Saab, General Mats Nilsson, and I - noticed as we after the meeting with Jobim met with representatives of the press.

The evidence suggests that Brazil will choose its way in the near future, contributing to the interest in question.

Saab and Sweden is offering a plane that well meets the operational requirements and in addition to a what we believe a very competitive price. This applies to both the cost of the acquisition, as to own and use the Gripen. In addition, a collaboration in the development of the next-generation Gripen fighter. How Brazil values this against other offers remains to be seen, as well as what additional factors will contribute to a decision.

Ahead of this decision, Sweden, and Saab has done all that we can to present the Swedish alternative.

Blog Entry:Swedish Minister of Defence (http://tolgfors.wordpress.com/)


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I expected this to pop up in the EF-thread but it's just as interesting for us... a story about the Swashplate design tested on Tornado.


Novel U.K. AESA Approach Brings Benefits

Nov 24, 2009

Douglas Barrie/London
Andy Nativi/Edinburgh, Scotland
Robert Wall/Dubai

The results of a still mainly classified U.K. program are spurring the Defense Ministry and industry to pursue a novel design of active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for the Eurofighter Typhoon. The AESA design is already earmarked for the Saab Gripen NG.

A Selex Galileo prototype AESA for the Gripen NG demonstrator has been installed on the aircraft. The full design includes the company’s so-called swashplate architecture that allows the angled antenna face to be rotated. This addresses coverage and performance-degradation issues encountered in fixed-array AESA radars.

The swashplate design has already been test flown in the U.K. as part of a Defense Ministry research program. The work was likely undertaken as an element of the Advanced Radar Targeting System (ARTS) demonstrator project.

Continue Reading (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/AESA112409.xml&headline=Novel%20U.K.%20AESA%20Approach%20Brings%20Benefits)

tangosix
11-26-2009, 03:10 AM
So my question to you fellows who has a better knowledge in this matter than me: How are the testflights going for Gripen NG? As far as I can tell they seem more or less on schedule. At least they are running at a much faster pace than the F35, or have I missed something here???



The F35 is a new aircraft from A to Z. The NG is just the old Gripen with a new engine and some software uppgrades. :bash:

signatory
11-26-2009, 03:54 AM
:bash:

You're reported for flamebaiting.


Do not waste time on him.

tangosix
11-26-2009, 04:15 AM
You're reported for flamebaiting.


Do not waste time on him.


Are you joking? If thats 'flamebaiting' to you then you got a major chip on your shoulder.

signatory
11-26-2009, 04:41 AM
Are you joking? If thats 'flamebaiting' to you then you got a major chip on your shoulder.

Your personal opinion is irrelevant.

It is not acceptable to reply to a news article and its related Gripen discussion with obvious flame bait in support of another product.

Not that kind of thread. Not that kind of forum.

tangosix
11-26-2009, 05:14 AM
Your personal opinion is irrelevant.

It is not acceptable to reply to a news article and its related Gripen discussion with obvious flame bait in support of another product.

Not that kind of thread. Not that kind of forum.

See the posts context please. It was a reply to an opinion on the F35. It was not a reply to your cut and paste spamming.

DaGreatRV
11-26-2009, 05:43 AM
A Selex Galileo prototype AESA for the Gripen NG demonstrator has been installed on the aircraft. The full design includes the company’s so-called swashplate architecture that allows the angled antenna face to be rotated. This addresses coverage and performance-degradation issues encountered in fixed-array AESA radars.

Wouldn't this negate the maintinence benifit gained from having a fixed array?

*zeven*
11-26-2009, 06:22 AM
Wouldn't this negate the maintinence benifit gained from having a fixed array?

More loose parts so yes. But for some the advantages seems to overshadow the disadvantages. and you're able to have it fixed, it just gives you an extra option.

Swingrole
11-26-2009, 08:30 AM
Are you joking? If thats 'flamebaiting' to you then you got a major chip on your shoulder.

I agree!


You're reported for flamebaiting.

Do not waste time on him.


Your personal opinion is irrelevant.

It is not acceptable to reply to a news article and its related Gripen discussion with obvious flame bait in support of another product.

Not that kind of thread. Not that kind of forum.

Obvious flame bait??? I asked a simple question and had no intention what so ever to "flame bait".

Maybe you should polish up your own rude manners! And now I have wasted enough time on YOU, and don't bother to answer to this.

TGIF
11-26-2009, 08:40 AM
The F35 is a new aircraft from A to Z. The NG is just the old Gripen with a new engine and some software uppgrades. :bash:


You're reported for flamebaiting.


Do not waste time on him.



Obvious flame bait??? I asked a simple question and had no intention what so ever to "flame bait".

Maybe you should polish up your own rude manners! And now I have wasted enough time on YOU, and don't bother to answer to this.

Dude, chill out! The flamebait comment didn't address you Swingrole.

I agree with Signatory. Calling the Gripen NG an "old Gripen with a new engine and some software uppgrades" is a clear case of flamebait, i.e. a statement made to start a flame war.

Keep up the good work Sig.

Tangosix: If you feel Signatory is spamming, don't subscribe to the thread and don't click on the forum link. It's just that easy.

hapazard
11-26-2009, 08:41 AM
Wouldn't this negate the maintinence benifit gained from having a fixed array?

No, as I've understood it the main advantage with the fixed array is no sweep, that is you are able to have a continuous coverage over the whole half sphere seen from the plate.

With an angled rotating plate you will still have that advantage of 180 degrees round the rotational axis but you will also have a sweep coverage of theoretically 360 degrees enveloping the whole sphere. (of course that would imply an infinite length of the plate so in practical terms you might, with an angle of the plate to the rotational axis of 45 degrees, envelop as much as 270 degrees)

energo
11-27-2009, 10:49 AM
http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2009/gripen_exceeds_130_000_flight_hours.htm



Gripen exceeds 130 000 flight hours

11/26/2009
The Gripen fleet has now flown more than 130 000 hours. Gripen is in operational service in the Czech, Hungarian, South African and Swedish Air Forces and is also flown by the Empire Test Pilot School (ETPS).

The Swedish Air Force is the largest operator of Gripen and their first Gripen Squadron was declared operational in 1997. The Czech Air Force took deliveries of their Gripen C/D in 2005, followed by the Hungarian Air Force in 2006. Deliveries to the South African Air Force began in 2008 and are ongoing.
Included in the total number of flight hours is also the test flights made by the Saab Flight Test Department in Linköping, Sweden. Gripen C/D is being developed continuously with new equipment and software and the Gripen NG Demonstrator is also being test flown.

First Gripen C to pass 1 000 hours
The Swedish Air Force took Gripen C/D in service in 2005. Gripen number 39210 became the first Gripen C to pass 1000 flight hours, which happened earlier this month. The aircraft is being operated by the F 17 Wing in Ronneby and is maintained by the 171st Aircraft Maintenance Company.

Aircraft # 210 from the Swedish Air Force became the first Gripen C to pass 1 000 flight hours. Photo: Kenneth Nilsson

signatory
11-28-2009, 01:21 AM
Thanks energo.

--

On India.


27 November 2009
Saab's view on technology transfer, 8ak interviews Pär Rohman

27 Nov 2009 8ak: With the amendments to DPP 2008 made this November the priority of the nation has moved away from research to transfer of technology. This is one area where European companies can stand a chance to win against U.S. companies who are disadvantaged by their country’s stringent export control and monitoring restrictions.

Pär Rohman, Vice President, Industrial Cooperation, Saab was in India for the CII/CAPS Seminar on Energising Indian Aerospace on Nov 19 and made a presentation (download (http://www.8ak.in/documents/SAAB%20CII%20ToT%20ParRohman%20091119.pdf)) on transfer of technology. Manu Sood, Editor, 8ak had the opportunity to interview him.

http://i46.*******.com/23jopz8dotjpg

8ak: India has had a lot of problems with ToT in the past. How can Saab help address these issues?
Rohman: The main problems India had are a foreign country’s government intervening to deny access to technologies, the vendor’s reluctance to part with technology fearing cannibalisation and the inability to absorb technology. Saab has a different approach based on long-term partnership and mutual growth. Saab has a proven model that enables the receiver to utilize and apply the technologies transferred. This means that it involves much more than just “technical information”.

With the Swedish Prime Minister and defence delegation’s visit there has been an inter-government commitment to partner with Indian defence and neither country is bound by a third country’s dictats. In terms of ToT, Saab’s approach is unique. We don’t just give away the technology, we partner with you to build on and further develop in collaboration right from the start. This will give the Indian firm the ability to maintain and modify the system.

8ak: What is in it for Saab?
Rohman: Your recent article mentioned the Swedish minister suggesting that Sweden is looking at India not as a buyer but as a long term partner and the same is true for Saab. We believe the relationship will be for mutual benefit. So while we transfer technology, we gain new knowledge in the process and at the same time benefit from India’s engineering & software expertise and low operating costs. This will help Saab further develop the products and jointly market it globally for export.

8ak: Have you successfully implemented such programs in other countries?
Rohman: Yes. For the Gripen alone, we have successful offset programs in e.g Hungary and South Africa.

8ak: Do you have a preference for public or private sector in terms of ToT?
Rohman: We have relations with the major Indian DPSUs, so will do as directed by the terms of the RFP.

At the seminar, a question raised was lessons India should learn from the Embraer’s success. My view is that it proves privatisation works but requires long-term, government support. If you look around globally, all major successful companies have transformed themselves in to systems integrators. There are significant lessons for India.

8ak: What are the problems that Saab faces in India in terms of ToT?
Rohman: The biggest problem is FIPB’s 26% cap on FDI which is discriminatory and adds to the country risk. As benchmark, 2 countries with successful defence programs Brazil and Dubai both have a much higher 49% cap. At 26% the best foreign companies will either not bid or be in a position where they are forced to part with technologies. Neither of these have worked for India in the past.

source (http://www.8ak.in/8ak_india_defence_news/2009/11/saabs-view-on-technology-transfer-8ak-interviews-p%C3%A4r-rohman.html)


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Spotter photo by Flygvapnet_Viggen @ scamble.nl

News worthy being that it's a SwAF jet kitted with all NATO-pylons on the wings.

http://i47.*******.com/1212v5jdotjpg

Ty "Flygvapnet_Viggen". Check the link for more of his photos.

source (http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&p=372312)

adamtom
11-28-2009, 07:19 AM
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/gripen/gripen_storesdotjpg

signatory
12-01-2009, 12:04 PM
DTI December (http://www.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416108193)is out.

This whole article is pretty good read for Typhoon/Gripen info.

Topic: IRST + Radar + links.

http://i49.*******.com/iw6881dotjpg

Caprice
12-02-2009, 04:50 AM
Some "take-off races" and areal turns between a SAAF Gripen and Mirage F1(I think) among other things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAHQdHGWwf0

(The Gripen parts is in the beginning and at 1:40)

Thanks to rynopot from the (inofficial) SAAF forum.

Btw, a big thanks also for all the updates in this thread!

C.

jontew
12-02-2009, 05:28 AM
Hehe pretty big differences in take-off-distance there :D

Evolv5
12-02-2009, 05:37 AM
Great posts guys! Thank you!
Am I an ass for saying that I find the double seater Griffin to be sexier than the single seat? :P

zalmoxis
12-03-2009, 07:24 AM
Hi signatory!
In February this year, Richard Smith, representative of Cook Communications, which provides PR representation in Romania for Saab-Gripen, said: "No need for 4 billion euros , because the endowment of Gripen aircraft would cost less than half that amount".
Now he said: "Our strategy in terms of the contract for multi-role aircraft has not changed. We have made a series of activities related to the contract. For example, it was decided that negotiations on the contract for acquisition of multi-role aircraft to be conducted at government and provider remain SAAB. In addition, we improved the initial offer. For now it is clear we need to wait because of political instability and the economic crisis."
Know something about this? They just improve the financial offer or they proposed Gripen NG?

energo
12-03-2009, 07:24 AM
Some excellent imagery here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tempete_de_pixel/3892916486/in/set-72157622267146480/



B. Bolsøy
Oslo

Maskirovka
12-03-2009, 07:40 AM
They just improve the financial offer or they proposed Gripen NG?

I would guess it means it´s the Gripen NG. I mean, that´s the version SAAB now is offering in all the other contenders... (India, Brazil, Denmark, Netherlands etc...)

Even if Romania chooses to buy surplus Gripen A/B/C/D´s from the Swedish airforce they can be modified into a NG-kind of version for a pretty small cost. The Gripen Demo that is flying is a modified Gripen D...

zalmoxis
12-03-2009, 08:01 AM
I would guess it means it´s the Gripen NG. I mean, that´s the version SAAB now is offering in all the other contenders... (India, Brazil, Denmark, Netherlands etc...)

Even if Romania chooses to buy surplus Gripen A/B/C/D´s from the Swedish airforce they can be modified into a NG-kind of version for a pretty small cost. The Gripen Demo that is flying is a modified Gripen D...

thank's for your answer.

I think if the previous offer was for 2 billion euros, now for 48 Gripen NG an offer for 3 billion euros will be a very good deal! For the 1.5 billion, the rest of the 4.5 billion euros amount originally provided for 48 fighters, we could buy something else like 24 attack helicopters or aerial refueling tankers.

*zeven*
12-03-2009, 08:15 AM
I would guess it means it´s the Gripen NG. I mean, that´s the version SAAB now is offering in all the other contenders... (India, Brazil, Denmark, Netherlands etc...)

Even if Romania chooses to buy surplus Gripen A/B/C/D´s from the Swedish airforce they can be modified into a NG-kind of version for a pretty small cost. The Gripen Demo that is flying is a modified Gripen D...
This is Incorrect, SAAB offer Gripen C when it better meats the requirements.

To upgradee Gripen C into NG would be rather stupid and expensive.

I can't see Romnia have so high requirements that Gripen C is not good enough.

signatory
12-05-2009, 06:59 AM
zalmoxis, I don't know if it's still valid but about a year ago Saab/FMV proposed to Romania a quick delivery of 24 x JAS39C/D (first division within a year) and a delivery of 24 x NG a few years down the road. I think there has also been talks of a much smaller portion of 39C (8-10) to ensure air defense/policing after 2012..

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Something from LIMA 09:



In the Gripen, you can focus 'on killing bad guys'

2009/12/05

LANGKAWI: Major Azri Ahmad climbed into the Saab JAS39C Gripen flight simulator with one mission -- to go into a simulated stall.

The seasoned fighter pilot with No. 17/19 Squadron, "The Smokey Bandits", based in Kuantan, said he planned to throw the nimble little Swedish fighter around to see if a ham-fisted, newbie pilot with low hours on the type could enter uncontrolled flight and open up a can of snakes.

Slamming the stick to the left while kicking right rudder, Azri, callsign Adiq, tried to get the multi-role fighter to "depart". But she simply refused.

Levelling off, Azri accelerated to 400 knots and pitched the nose up into the vertical before retarding the throttle. As the airspeed bled down to 44 knots, he let go of the centrally-mounted stick and expected the Gripen to stall, snap and swap ends.

Instead, it did a wingover and pitched the nose down. The Gripen picked up speed and levelled off -- all without any input from the pilot.

"The flight control software is absolutely amazing," said Azri, who has logged 300-plus hours on the MiG-29N Fulcrum.

"You can't get into a spin or a stall, I even applied cross-controls but all she did was sit there. It's a very forgiving airplane with excellent handling."

He said this allowed pilots to concentrate more on "killing the bad guys".

Magnus Lewis-Olsson, Gripen International's campaign director and Gripen test pilot, told the New Straits Times that the improvements to the Gripen were driven by pilot input.

Even the wide-angle diffractive HUD (heads-up display) has been tweaked to improve situational awareness (SA).

"We've even added a few things to the HUD symbology that help pilots with their SA. If you pull back on the stick, you'll see a 'bubble' that shows you the four points of the compass, so you know where north, south, east and west are," he said.

On take-off, a small vertical bar is projected on the HUD. Once it starts blinking, the pilot can pull back on the stick and take-off.

"You don't have to scan your instruments any more and remember your take-off speed, or even look at the airspeed indicator. It simplifies things considerably," said Olsson.

The Gripen is a multi-role aircraft capable of performing air-to-air and air-to-ground missions.

It is an integral part of Sweden's network-centric defence system.

source (http://www.nst.com.my/articles/14lg2/Article/index_html)


Cape Town: Green Point World Cup stadium

http://i47.*******.com/29z4wnbdotjpg

Loke2
12-05-2009, 03:03 PM
Thanks Signatory.

The SA experience with Gripen:



“The Gripen was designed from day one for modern engineering and logistics.” points out SAAF Senior Staff Officer: Combat Systems Col John Bayne. “It has a lot of built-in test equipment. The result is reduced costs and streamlined support....

“One no longer needs to take an engine out of an aircraft and test it,” cites Delport. The Gripen is powered by the Volvo Aero Corporation RM12 low bypass ratio turbofan with afterburner, which is based on the General Electric F-404-400 engine. The RM12 has increased thrust and enhanced bird strike resistance in comparison with its American precursor. The Hawk Mk 120 uses the Rolls Royce Turbomeca Adour Mk 951, which is a two-shaft turbofan and is the latest member of the Adour engine family, providing increased thrust, longer life, and lower life-cycle costs. Both these engines are modular and both have full authority digital engine control (Fadec) including self-monitoring systems.
“These new engines are always testing themselves, and when a fault is detected, you don’t have to take an entire engine out of the aircraft – you just [remove] the module concerned,” explains Delport. One money-saving consequence is that AFB Makhado has been able to close down its engine test bench (a misnomer, as it was actually a separate building) because it is no longer required.

...............

The Gripen, Bayne highlights, is easy to fly because of its modern systems, including fly-by-wire (FBW – electronic flight control) and Fadec. “Regarding the Mirage and Cheetah, many hours were needed to learn just to fly the aircraft. Pilots also have much improved situational awareness with the new aircraft.”
“The role of 2 Sqdn is multirole air combat operations,” says Flying Cheetahs OC Lt-Col Glen Gibson. “We are currently phasing in the Gripen. We are busy integrating new weapons onto the aircraft. The Gripen’s radar is a big upgrade on what we had before. The flight control system optimises the aircraft for low-drag flight at all times, thus reducing fuel consumption. The main technology improvements on the Gripen are FBW, datalinking, helmet mounted displays, and an improved infrared (IR) and laser designating pod. The IR is not fixed – it can be directed off-boresight. The SAAF has had IR before, but this is much more modern technology. This pod is already cleared on the Gripen and is being supplied via Saab. Likewise, the fifth- generation IR-homing air-to-air missile chosen as an interim fit on our Gripens, the Iris-T, is also already integrated onto the Gripen.” (The SAAF’s intent is to replace the Iris-T with the Denel Dynamics A-Darter, once the development of the South African/Brazilian missile is completed.) Datalinking allows Gripens to exchange information, including radar data, between themselves while in flight.

The Gripen can fly from Makhado to Cape Town without refuelling – and with sufficient fuel to divert to an alternative base if Cape Town is suffering bad weather. “The Cheetah couldn’t do this,” he reveals.
“With the Gripen, you need only two ground crew to get it airborne, as against eight or nine for the Cheetah,” reports Delport. “And a Gripen can be turned around – refuelled and rearmed – in minutes. The Cheetah took hours.”


http://www.af.mil.za/news/2009/071_2009.htm

Giorgi001
12-05-2009, 05:06 PM
signatory - why are you ignoring my PM, is it to difficult to answer?

Sorry - I have seen you unswer later :(

phlerp
12-05-2009, 10:40 PM
On take-off, a small vertical bar is projected on the HUD. Once it starts blinking, the pilot can pull back on the stick and take-off.

"You don't have to scan your instruments any more and remember your take-off speed, or even look at the airspeed indicator. It simplifies things considerably," said Olsson.


This feature was actually present already in the SAAB AJ37 Viggen that flew for the first time as early as 1968

zalmoxis
12-06-2009, 01:30 PM
zalmoxis, I don't know if it's still valid but about a year ago Saab/FMV proposed to Romania a quick delivery of 24 x JAS39C/D (first division within a year) and a delivery of 24 x NG a few years down the road. I think there has also been talks of a much smaller portion of 39C (8-10) to ensure air defense/policing after 2012..



Thank's signatory!
Yes, Saab offered 8 Gripen C that could send it in a year. link (http://www.financiarul.com/articol_35991/suedezii-ne-propun-sa-cumparam-in-prima-faza-opt-avioane-de-lupta-gripen-contra-sumei-de-500-de-milioane-de-euro.html)


The eight Gripen C should come from the command given by the Swedish Air Force SAAB and would cost about 500 million euros, an amount that includes the maintenance.

Swingrole
12-08-2009, 08:39 AM
The Brazilian air force magazine Revista Forca Aerea has in their latest edition an analysis of the three remaining contestants and their offers. And according to them the winner of that analysis is Gripen NG BR.

Saab offers both better prices and a more extensive cooperation with a more concrete partnership when it comes to development and sale of the Gripen NG.



Unfortunately I cannot link directly to the source so I have to go via the Swedish magazine Ny Teknik. There you will find a link called Läs analysen på engelska här (Read the analyses in English here). By clicking this link a Word-file, 15 pages! long, will be downloaded to your desktop.

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/flygplan/article691211.ece

This is only an extract of the analysis.



REVISTA FORCA AEREA NOV 11 2009. By Carlos Lorch.

Jairo Cândido, head of the Federation’s Defense Industry Department, stated to the press that: “It has become clear that who is willing to make a broad, total and unrestricted technology transfer, and to work with Brazilian companies are the Swedes,” and about the Gripen NG-BR: “...it enables the national production of the 36 aircraft and involves the national industry in the program from the very beginning.” Walter Bartels, engineer and chairman of the Brazilian Association of Airspace Industries (AIAB), the industry sheltering umbrella, also declared his preference for the Swedish program, letting hanging in the air the feeling that the battle for the national industry hearts and minds tilted towards a development program and not just in the direction of industrially defined products.

And it is precisely the difference between fighters that can be assembled and upgraded in Brazil, and a fighter that would be entirely developed, produced and marketed in Brazil with heavy Brazilian participation, that attracts the majority of the Brazilian industry.

Conducting its own analysis Saab intelligently improved the aircraft operating capabilities to increase range and payload without, however, letting the aircraft costs go up to its competitors’ range. It found in the “Brazilian option” industrial factors that would turn its product even more competitive. It even offered the aircraft operator and the Brazilian industries an option that would easily meet the operating requirements without financial risks thereby adding an enormous commercial advantage as well.

Within this reality, that, of course, its strategists identified a long time ago, the competing companies were left with the fact that they had to seek other alternatives to turn the odds in their favor. Favored by the excellent relationship between Brazil and France, which resulted in the recent signature of contracts to assembling Eurocopter’s Super Puma helicopters in Brazil for the three Brazilian Armed Forces, and to developing a new submarine family for the Brazilian Navy with the help of the French, Dassault banked on the strategic political factor, which resulted in Presidents Sarkozy and Lula joint statement that they would start negotiating the French offer. However, the aircraft acquisition and operating costs were an obstacle. The Brazilian President himself let transpire this. And he put pressure for lower prices. Following, Dassault stated that it would reduce the price to levels similar to those it offers to the Armée de l’Air, the French air force. For the time being it has not disclosed the prices it is asking. Even so the prices are high, and are for First World nations. To buy the Rafale, FAB needs to be assured that its operating budget over the next thirty years would be increased and maintained, without cuts and contingencies, and also allowing for future investments in other technologies that most certainly will appear in the air defense scenario. Buying the fighter without this money injection could create a huge problem for Brazil. Maybe this is the reason why the Brazilian President is putting all this pressure for reduced prices if the aircraft is really interested in winning the bid.

Now it’s time for FAB!
President Lula announcement on September 7 significantly benefited the F-X2 Program as it started a new negotiation round that by one side, increased the advantages offered to Brazil, and by the other side, reduced the prices the competitors are asking for. It was a presidential win-win. Opening the discussions in the public opinion sphere made many of the idiosyncrasies that are behind each offer surface enabling a clearer analysis of the events. In the meantime Brazil was chosen to host the 2016 Olympic Games, which with the 2014 FIFA Soccer Cup will require enormous investment from Brazil. All of a sudden, the cost factor has become even more essential together with technology transfer and the growth of the Brazilian airspace industry.

The Government demanded conditions and democratized the discussion. The Brazilian industry mobilized and let transpire its positions.

Now, we are waiting for the most important: the technical report from FAB, the principal party interested in the program that will be discussed and debated for the next thirty years!

ValkyrieLover
12-08-2009, 10:14 AM
How the Gripen exhibition will look like at FIA 2006 (from the official website (http://www.gripen.com/en/FIA_2006/FIA2006.htm)).

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9731/pavillion78widotjpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2667/pavillion22sodotjpg


Is this the new carrier based version? Note the smaller intakes - wonder what the reasoning behind that is...

Fook me, that thing has short wings

jontew
12-08-2009, 02:08 PM
Looks like some reduction to the RCS with the smaller intakes and the line in the middle..it's either that or a really crappy job at doing a front replica :D

signatory
12-09-2009, 04:39 PM
Brazil update:

With the wonderful google-translate....


Decision on purchase of jets by the FAB should be for the next year, says Jobim

Agency Brazil

Published: 09/12/2009 18:18 Updated: 09/12/2009 18:23
Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said on Wednesday (9 / 12) only in 2010 that the government should complete the bidding for the purchase of 36 new fighter aircraft that will replace the current fleet of Air Force (FAB ). According to Jobim, who had said that the winner would be announced later this month, the "time is scarce," to make it happen.

"The Air Force has not given me over the work [the technical analysis of proposals submitted by three companies competing]. Perhaps will deliver next week and I think it will be for the beginning of next year. " He reaffirmed that the final decision on the policy and business will rest with the president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.

Full article (http://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/app/noticia182/2009/12/09/mundo,i=159990/DECISAO+SOBRE+COMPRA+DE+JATOS+PELA+FAB+DEVE+FICAR+PARA+O+ANO+QUE+VEM+DIZ+JOBIM.shtml)



Members want to prevail technical analysis on policy issues in the purchase of fighter

Published: 09/12/2009 15:43
Congressman Wilson pickles (PDT-PR) said on Wednesday (9 / 12) have already collected the signature of 195 MPs who argue that technical analysis of the Air Force will prevail over the political aspects in the choice of fighter jets that will replace the of the Brazilian fleet.

During the hearing of the Committee on Foreign Relations and National Defense of the House of Representatives, pickles delivered to Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, a copy of the petition sent to the chairmen of the Senate, José Sarney (PMDB-AP), and the House of Representatives Michel Temer (PMDB-SP), on November 4.

Full article (http://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/app/noticia182/2009/12/09/mundo,i=159929/DEPUTADOS+QUEREM+QUE+ANALISE+TECNICA+PREVALECA+SOBRE+ASPECTOS+POLITICOS+NA+COMPRA+DE+CACAS.shtml)


History:

Gripen makes it maiden flight on 9 December 1988 with test pilot Stig Holmström at the controls.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5782/holmstroemdotjpg

signatory
12-12-2009, 07:40 AM
Czech pilot "Woody" writes about a normal day during Nato Tiger Meet (http://www.natotigers.org/tigermeet/download.php?name=NTM2009.pdf).

Such as how he successfully finds a target in a jammed environment and later when a Swiss F-18 is knocked down by one of his AMRAAM's...

+ some photos.

Google translated to English (http://translate.google.se/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.211squadron.cz%2Fletka%2Fntm09.html&sl=cs&tl=en)

Article at 211squadron (http://www.211squadron.cz/letka/ntm09.html)

Caprice
12-14-2009, 04:19 AM
Indian evaluation team in Sweden

http://i47.*******.com/dgs9jqdotjpg


F 17 were visited on Wednesday by a technical evaluation team from the Indian Air Force along with representatives from the Defense industry. During the intensive, information-packed days held briefings on Gripen's operational capabilities, various support and logistical functions, technical features were studied. In his talks with the pilots and technical staff, visitors had a professional dialogue on how the system operates on a user, and experience levels.

The version of the Gripen, which could be considered for export to India is based on the Gripen IN NG version "The next generation", the aircraft is equipped to take more fuel, armament, it has a more powerful engine and a new type of radar, etc. .

"We are here to evaluate and confirm the Gripen system based on the technical performance as presented to us earlier," says one of the Indian representatives. He also claims that the price is not crucial at this stage but rather the function and lifetime of the aircraft system.

After a busy day at the F 17 visitors went to the F7 "Såtenäs" for continued demonstration of the Gripen system.http://www.mil.se/sv/Forband-och-formagor/Forband/Blekinge-flygflottilj-F-17/Nyheter/Gripen-intresserar-Indien/ (In Swedish)

C.

signatory
12-16-2009, 05:25 AM
For the lucky Swedes:

JAS Gripen christmas-tree formation today Wednesday around 1-1.30pm.

7 x JAS 39 over Boden, Älvsbyn, Skellefteå, Piteå and Luleå.

The flight school will fly a tree with SK 60's around 3pm-3.30pm. (Vadstena, Motala, Ljungsbro, Ekängen, Norrköping, Söderköping, Linköping).

hapazard
12-16-2009, 06:08 AM
Ah, damn should have gone home earlier over Christmas apparently, only the SK 60's (Motala) but still ....

jontew
12-16-2009, 06:37 AM
Yesterday swedish astronaut Christer Fuglesang together with the crew of STS-128 visited Saab in Linköping, there he flew the Gripen-simulator and apparently the crew learned snaps-visor :D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/49838876dotjpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1260964397&Signature=UADdoNjmWgOm36mO2DfAKs%2FFXw0%3D
http://pici.se/pictures/LRgPoTekMdotjpg
http://pici.se/pictures/zTuYeRncDdotjpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/49840120dotjpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1260964314&Signature=Nl87x8gT8aRIVX4E4rBooC%2FMWHE%3D

EDIT: Here is a clip and an interview, http://www.corren.se/24corren/#category=5017163&clip=5061516&date=2009-12&startTime=0m0s (In swedish)

Henke556
12-16-2009, 01:07 PM
Saw the "christmas-tree", was more like a 5 plane arrow formation. But it was nice in the dusk(13:00) with some landing lights that lit the sky.

jontew
12-16-2009, 01:37 PM
Christmas tree with SK60 in Linköping, flew right over my house
http://pici.se/pictures/ldoirWUNMdotpng
Photo MIKAEL SVENSSON

signatory
12-17-2009, 03:45 AM
Saw the "christmas-tree", was more like a 5 plane arrow formation. But it was nice in the dusk(13:00) with some landing lights that lit the sky.

I guess "it's the thought that counts" [Tm] p-)

6.. which is 6 more than during the last couple of years.

http://i45.*******.com/13yqtr6dotjpg
(c) totheforest

http://i46.*******.com/dzjkhwdotjpg
(c) Jose Hernandez

Henke556
12-17-2009, 11:00 AM
Ok missed the sixth. Just saw them a couple of seconds through the window.

signatory
12-18-2009, 04:12 AM
Herley UK Subsidiary, EWsT, Receives a $1.5 Million Contract Award from Saab in Sweden

LANCASTER, Pa., Dec. 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Herley Industries, Inc. (Nasdaq: HRLY) announced a recent award to EW Simulation Technology ("EWsT"), the Company's subsidiary in Farnborough UK.

Richard F. Poirier, Herley's Chief Executive Officer and President, commented, "EWsT has recently received an order for approximately US$1.5M for a RSS8000 radar threat simulator from the defense and security company Saab in Sweden. The RSS8000 will be used to support the ground test and simulation facilities for the Gripen JAS39 fighter aircraft. This continues the trend at EWsT to provide the latest technology into the Simulator market."

EW Simulation Technology Limited (EWsT) is a UK Company (owned by Herley Industries Inc.), specializing in the design and manufacture of Multi-Spectral Threat and Countermeasures Stimulators for EW test, evaluation and training.

Herley Industries, Inc. is a leader in the design, development and manufacture of microwave technology solutions for the defense, aerospace and medical industries worldwide. Based in Lancaster, PA, Herley has seven manufacturing locations and approximately 1000 employees. Additional information about the company can be found on the Internet at www.herley.com (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/herley-uk-subsidiary-ewst-receives-a-15-million-contract-award-from-saab-in-sweden-79531427.html)



Two more RTAF photos by Peter Liander GIB:

http://i47.*******.com/slp761dotjpg

http://i46.*******.com/n3l0fmdotjpg


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[2009-12-18 11:00]

Saab receives order for spare parts for Gripen

Defence and security company Saab has received an order from the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) regarding spare parts for the current Gripen fleet. The order amounts to SEK 200 million.

The order concerns spare parts including so-called "line replacement units", easily interchangeable modules that make it possible to correct faults in a workshop instead of in the aircraft on the ground. The units are part of an agreement to supply spare material for Gripen and includes Thailand, Hungary and the Czech Republic.

The order concerns Saab’s units in Linköping, Kista, Jönköping and Mölndal, but it does not mean any new employment.

source (http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=192915)

Rommel28
12-19-2009, 10:11 AM
Hungarian gripens get the software version 19.

arthuro
12-19-2009, 01:28 PM
Some news from the Brazilian evaluation (FAB) :

basically :

that might interest you...It is about the FAB evaluation. I think it is a balanced article giving pros and cons to everyone.

the article is traduced in the rafale thread.


-Rafale leading on technical grounds but it is the most expensive
-Gripen leading on Price but the FAB isn't sure that SAAB and vixen could deliver the NG on time. Plus the reliability of technical infos given as been called into question.
-SH is a good compromise between the costly rafale and the paper aircraft gripen NG.

On a side not, the rafale is regarded as the stealthiest aircraft among all the contenders.

unfortunately the google translation is not very good but you can still catch the main ideas :

http://www.istoe.com.br/reportagens/...O+ADIANTAMENTO (http://www.istoe.com.br/reportagens/32608_O+CUSTO+DO+ADIANTAMENTO)

Muts
12-19-2009, 04:20 PM
http://www.istoe.com.br/reportagens/32608_O+CUSTO+DO+ADIANTAMENTO

Big lol
Find one error in this image from the article:

http://content-portal.istoe.com.br/istoeimagens/imagens/mi_2582240072082335dotjpg

DaGreatRV
12-19-2009, 05:33 PM
Big lol
Find one error in this image from the article:



rofl Oh wow, some awesome journalism right there.

arthuro
12-19-2009, 06:06 PM
That is a usual small mistake which can happen but the substance of the article is pretty good I'd say. In fact the article gives good and bad point to everyone and for the first time it goes into the details of the evaluation process.

besides The "source" comes from from one of brazilian most respected weekly newspaper wich is printed at 500 000 exaplaries...So they certainly have the mean to investigate and to get the right infos with the right connections ;)

Not an obscure forum rumor I would say !:)

hapazard
12-19-2009, 07:07 PM
Big lol
Find one error in this image from the article:



Also, that's a Hornet, not the Super Hornet...

They even ripped the image frpm wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USMC_FA-18_Hornet.JPEG p-)

S.P
12-19-2009, 10:22 PM
Big lol
Find one error in this image from the article:

http://content-portal.istoe.com.br/istoeimagens/imagens/mi_2582240072082335dotjpg

aside from the hornet picture, isnt the rafale picture actually a gripen C/D?

Benke
12-20-2009, 04:18 AM
IstoÉ is known to be pro FR for numbers of reason

Muts
12-20-2009, 07:51 AM
aside from the hornet picture, isnt the rafale picture actually a gripen C/D?
That's what i meant. Don't care about the faulty Hörnet/Süper Hörnet..