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signatory
06-26-2006, 02:49 PM
I'm gonna use this thread and I hope others will too for news regarding the SAAB Gripen jet and associated systems. p-)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/479/gripend21lu.jpg
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Gripen to present CARRIER BASED jet for UK/India at Farnborough

SOURCE:Flight International
New Gripen variants studied by Saab
Saab-led Gripen International is studying future development options for its Gripen multirole fighter, including the possible installation of a more powerful engine, increasing the type’s overall size and maximum take-off weight, and the potential availability of a carrierborne strike variant.

Intended to boost the long-term export prospects for the single-engined Gripen – as competition increases from rival types over the next decade – the enhancements could result in a modification package similar to the Super Hornet enhancement to Boeing’s baseline F/A-18, say industry sources.

While the Gripen’s current Volvo Aero-supplied RM12 turbofan engine could be further modified to deliver a 10-15% increase in thrust to meet future fighter requirements in Denmark and Norway, company officials say the installation of thelarger General Electric F414 could provide 25% more power, increasing the aircraft’s operating range and payload.

If implemented, use of the F414 would require major structural changes to the current Gripen airframe, with these to include a larger centre fuselage barrel, enlarged engine inlets, redesigned nose gear and a need to provide additional internal fuel capacity, say industry sources.

Other potential capability enhancements for the Gripen include the proposed integration of an active electronically scanned array (AESA) for the aircraft’s Ericsson PS05 multimode radar from around 2012, says Jonas Branzell, the company’s project manager for airborne radars. A multi-channel AESA could be available from 2015, followed by a fully multifunctional system from 2018, he says. Both would draw on technologies developed during Ericsson’s ongoing Nora demonstration project.

Models of enlarged and carrierborne fighter concepts of the Gripen are expected to be unveiled at the Farnborough air show in mid-July, says Gripen International.

The latter is understood to have emerged as a potential candidate to meet Indian navy maritime strike requirements, but could also be offered to countries like the UK if the Lockheed Martin Joint Strike Fighter project encounters future difficulties.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/06/27/Navigation/177/207410/New+Gripen+variants+studied+by+Saab.html

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Red Flag to test Swedes

The Swedish air force is to conduct its first major overseas deployment of the Saab JAS39C/D Gripen fighter in early July, with seven of its aircraft to be flown to the USA to participate in the inaugural Red Flag Alaska exercise.

Five single-seat Gripen Cs and two two-seat Ds will depart Ronneby airbase in Sweden on 13 July for an approximately 5,500nm (10,200km) outbound deployment to be conducted without in-flight refuelling and divided into eight legs. To be accompanied by two Lockheed Martin C-130H transports, the aircraft and 12 pilots are scheduled to arrive at Eilson AFB, Alaska on 17 July, one week before the start of Red Flag flying activities, which will conclude on 4 August.

Between four and six of the aircraft will conduct two missions a day during the exercise, conducting tasks such as air intercept, daylight ground attack and offensive air operations, says Swedish Red Flag detachment commander Lt Col Ken Lindberg. “Gripen is going to be seen in every role,” including leading composite air packages with other participating nations, he says. Previously referred to as exercise “Cooperative Cope Thunder”, the manoeuvres are expected to involve 47 fighters and six support aircraft from the US Air Force and coalition countries.

To prepare for the Red Flag detachment, six Gripen C/Ds participated in a two-week exercise at Sweden’s Vidsel test range in early June, logging 175 flight hours and dropping six Paveway laser-guided bombs using Litening III targeting pods and ground-based forward air controllers. The exercise was also used to prove recent upgrades performed by the air force’s operational test and evaluation unit at Malmen airbase, including software and communications modifications and the integration of a podded rangeless debriefing system.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/06/27/Navigation/177/207411/Red+Flag+to+test+Swedes.html

Bert
06-26-2006, 03:02 PM
What they need to do is to create some conformal fuel tanks for it - the proposal for a Norwegian version is great except for those drag-inducing fatties under her. :-(

Greek soldier
06-26-2006, 03:04 PM
SAAB has said CFTs will be examined after a customer's demand. 'Cos the development costs are a bit expensive.

Carrier based Gripen??? Hmmm, very interesting. ;)

signatory
06-26-2006, 03:30 PM
What they need to do is to create some conformal fuel tanks for it - the proposal for a Norwegian version is great except for those drag-inducing fatties under her. :-(

I'm not a huge fan of CFTs but oh well... for the norwegian one you mean the fuel drop tanks in the picture? yea in flight that would mean drag but it's meant for patrol not combat. They would be dropped for that. And the new gear position and larger wings mean more internal fuel than the existing C/D without the use of external tanks.

so IMO I'd prefer it like that than CFT's that add serious weight, more radar image and can't be dropped at all p-)

signatory
07-03-2006, 11:34 AM
Saab receives 1 Billion SEK order for Continued Development of the Gripen System
[2006-07-03 16:33]

Saab, as a partner in the Swedish Industry Group JAS, has received a 1 billion SEK order from FMV (the Swedish Defence Material Administration) covering continued development of the Gripen System.

The current order is a regular part of the Gripen program´s overall continuous development and upgrade process. The order covers various software upgrades as well as other development activities supporting the long term development of the Gripen system.

Work will be performed at Saab Aerosystems and Saab Aerotech in Linköping, Sweden as well as at Saab Avitronics in Järfälla and Kista, Sweden. The order will not require an increase in existing manpower levels.

The Industry Group JAS (IG JAS) is the joint venture partnership that develops the Gripen System for the Swedish Armed Forces. Partners included in IG JAS are Saab Volvo Aero Corporation and Ericsson Microwave Systems. Saab has recently announced the intent to acquire Ericsson Microwave Systems in a deal expected to close in September 2006.

Saab is one of the world´s leading high-technology companies, with its main operations focusing on defence, aviation and space. The group covers a broad spectrum of competence and capabilities in systems integration.

Resurrection
07-13-2006, 04:55 AM
How the Gripen exhibition will look like at FIA 2006 (from the official website (http://www.gripen.com/en/FIA_2006/FIA2006.htm)).

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9731/pavillion78wi.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2667/pavillion22so.jpg


Is this the new carrier based version? Note the smaller intakes - wonder what the reasoning behind that is...

signatory
07-13-2006, 05:10 AM
How the Gripen exhibition will look like at FIA 2006 (from the official website (http://www.gripen.com/en/FIA_2006/FIA2006.htm)).

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9731/pavillion78wi.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2667/pavillion22so.jpg


Is this the new carrier based version? Note the smaller intakes - wonder what the reasoning behind that is...

Nah that's just the cockpit mockup thingy ... they would need larger intakes for a new high powered version anyway..

hmm, today I hope to see pics from mil.se as the guys leave for Red Flag.

Noob Brit
07-13-2006, 06:29 PM
What happened to the thrust-vectoring EJ200 idea?

gaz
07-13-2006, 06:38 PM
I look forward to seeing her at Farnborough.

Greek soldier
07-14-2006, 03:33 AM
What happened to the thrust-vectoring EJ200 idea?

It goes as scheduled, under development from ITP of Spain. I even saw a mock-up version in Farnborough 2000. But don't expect to see it prior to 2010 (Typhoon Tranche 3 version).

As for the Gripen, equipped with the EJ230 TVC, if the UK starts thinking the naval-based version, then I expect a quick go-ahead for any modifications in the plane.

DeltaWhisky58
07-14-2006, 07:55 AM
Gripens of Sw.AF at RAF Lossiemouth at present. An interesting change from the usual (yawn) Tornados.

This is their second visit.

signatory
07-14-2006, 08:08 AM
Gripens of Sw.AF at RAF Lossiemouth at present. An interesting change from the usual (yawn) Tornados.

This is their second visit.

Nice, do you know if this is the Gripen's for Farnbourgh or the ones leaving for Red flag Alaska ? (7 jets afaik)

Ed: err.. or actually for the Air tattoo RAF Fairford ? :)

DeltaWhisky58
07-14-2006, 08:30 AM
To be honest I'm not sure - I've only seen one aircraft at a time - one last evening and another about an hour ago, and a Sw.AF C-130 went in to Lossie about 40 minutes ago.

As there was a Gripen detachment here earlier in the year, I'm wondering if this is just a stop-off as you suggest. Maybe en-route to RIAT. I'll post if I get any more intel.

signatory
07-14-2006, 08:43 AM
To be honest I'm not sure - I've only seen one aircraft at a time - one last evening and another about an hour ago, and a Sw.AF C-130 went in to Lossie about 40 minutes ago.

As there was a Gripen detachment here earlier in the year, I'm wondering if this is just a stop-off as you suggest. Maybe en-route to RIAT. I'll post if I get any more intel.


cool cool.. well it could be more than one reason, the Red Flag guys is going with a C-130 though and the group began leaving Sweden yesterday.

Red flag jets: 39.2xx series
RIAT ones probably 39.1xx

+ a Czech AF Gripen going to RIAT

DeltaWhisky58
07-14-2006, 10:14 AM
Sw.AF Tp84 went out again 30 mins ago.

signatory
07-19-2006, 05:08 PM
Probably what DeltaWhisky58 saw...

http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/images/local/8851_lossie_liander.jpg
Lossiemouth

http://www.f7.mil.se/images/local/20060719_riat3.jpg

Skaraborg Wing displaypilot was awarded at RIAT, Fairford

Skaraborg Wing, F7 Såtenäs, made a very successful display at the Royal International Air Tattoo (RIAT) at Fairford in Great Britain.

Both Saturday and Sunday there were air displays. There was also a static display showing the two seat version, Gripen B, with a weapon display. Pilots and ground crew manned the static display which made it possible for all the visitors to ask questions.

Next to our aircraft on the static display there was a Gripen C from the Czech Air Force.

On Sunday evening, at the closing hangar party, our display pilot, captain Henric Holm was awarded the Lockheed Martin Cannestra Trophy for "Best flying demonstration by an overseas participant".

About 170.000 visitors came to see the Air Show.

http://www.f7.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=33217

DeltaWhisky58
07-19-2006, 05:14 PM
Certainly looks like it with a 14 Sqn. Tornado in the background.

We had seven Gripens here earlier in the year for about two weeks ands I'd say that was when this photo was taken unless 253 was here again.

signatory
07-19-2006, 05:35 PM
Certainly looks like it with a 14 Sqn. Tornado in the background.

We had seven Gripens here earlier in the year for about two weeks ands I'd say that was when this photo was taken unless 253 was here again.

hmm.. how much earlier ?

But yea... it's the red flag guys :) thanks for the info, that photo is from last week.

Here's the following stops, (253 visible)

http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/images/local/9072_liander.jpg
Greenland
http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/images/local/478_liander.jpg
Cold Lake, Canada
http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/images/local/587_liander.jpg
Yellowknife, Canada

Noob Brit
07-19-2006, 05:51 PM
There's loads of threads over on UKAR with the Gripens at Lossie (you're such a lucky bugger DW if you live near there!)

http://www.ukar.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukarboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=9;t=18706

http://www.ukar.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukarboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=9;t=18725
Great shot of a Swedish C130 landing as 2 Tonkas get airborne in front of it in this thread.

DeltaWhisky58
07-19-2006, 06:05 PM
Yes, clearly the recent ones. The C-130 came right in over my house whilst I was having a beer out in the sun with two of my neighbours (both RAF), it only stayed about 1h30m.

Feck - this is beginning to sound like a train spotter forum. :oops:

Oh, BTW - the earlier detachment was in March I think.

signatory
07-19-2006, 06:45 PM
There's loads of threads over on UKAR with the Gripens at Lossie (you're such a lucky bugger DW if you live near there!)

http://www.ukar.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukarboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=9;t=18706

http://www.ukar.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukarboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=9;t=18725
Great shot of a Swedish C130 landing as 2 Tonkas get airborne in front of it in this thread.

wow that's some great photos, gorgeous! Thanks for the link.

And thanks DW, maybe that's when they did CAS exercises up in Scotland.

DeltaWhisky58
07-20-2006, 03:27 AM
wow that's some great photos, gorgeous! Thanks for the link.

And thanks DW, maybe that's when they did CAS exercises up in Scotland.

Guess so - thank goodness you've changed your avatar.

signatory
07-20-2006, 03:37 AM
Guess so - thank goodness you've changed your avatar.

hehehe and it will stay like this for a long time don't worry p-)

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Wednesday, 19 July, 2006
Saab pledges Indian industrial participation if MRCA bid is successful
Guy Anderson, Jane’s Defence Industry Editor, Farnborough*


Saab has intensified its efforts to secure the contract to meet New Delhi’s requirement for 126 multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA) with a pledge to produce its Gripen fighter in India if it is successful.

The Swedish aerospace and defence group is competing against Lockheed Martin’s F-16; the Eurofighter Typhoon; Boeing’s F-18; Dassault’s Mirage 2000-5 and Rafale; and the MiG-35. India is expected to issue a formal request for proposals later in 2006.

“The real intent behind industrial participation is just that; industrial participation,” Gripen International Managing Director Johan Lehander told Jane’s.

“We encourage our partners to take active roles in the Gripen programme. It is a fact that India demands significant offsets in their MRCA programme.

“Saab is willing to have the entire production setup in India with the first aircraft being produced in Sweden then all remaining aircraft built in India.

Saab’s bid follows strong interest in the deal from Lockheed Martin and BAE Systems. Robert Stevens – chief executive officer, president and chairman of Lockheed Martin – said that “India is clearly a nation we think we can build a lasting relationship with”, while Alison Wood, BAE Systems’ global strategic development director, previously identified the country as a key source of future growth for her group.

It is unsurprising that Saab is looking towards such an offset arrangement to secure the Indian order; industrial participation arrangements are a core component of the group’s strategy.

Previous export sales and lease arrangements relating to Gripen have been underpinned by offset arrangements. Under the 2001 accord with Hungary, it was agreed that Gripen International would generate offsets worth 110 per cent of the original contract value. To date, 70 per cent of the total obligation has been achieved.

The Czech Republic is leasing 14 Gripens with similar offset provisions. Saab announced in 2005 that the offset obligation to Prague totalled approximately EUR830 million (USD1 billion); around 130 per cent of the value of the lease agreement that was signed in June 2004.

Including the Indian requirement, Saab has identified potential opportunities worldwide for the sale (and lease) of more than 330 Gripen fighters.

Saab Chief Executive Ake Svensson said that Hungary is looking to phase out its fleet of MiG-29 aircraft by 2009, while Bulgaria stated in 2004 that it has a requirement for 20 aircraft. Sofia issued a Request for Information (RFI) to Saab in May 2006.

Norway has a requirement for 44 fighter aircraft and Thailand is looking to replace its F-5s. Thailand is looking to set the process in motion in 2007 with a view to an in-service date (ISD) of 2011. Svensson added that there is a lease requirement for up to 12 aircraft in the Baltic states, while there are hopes that Brazil’s cancelled F-X programme will restart after the presidential elections.

Croatia has a requirement for 12 aircraft, with an ISD of 2011, according to a ministry of defence plan published in June 2006. Greece is looking to purchase between 30 and 40 fighters (with the process expected to begin in 2006). Romania and Slovenia require 40 aircraft each.

Switzerland (where Gripen is competing against the Joint Strike Fighter, Rafale, and Eurofighter Typhoon to replace the F-5) is expected to start the process to replace its F-5 fleet later this year.

The markets targeted by Saab reflect the focus of Gripen International; it looks towards new NATO members, countries with a requirement to replace F-5 and F-16s, and markets previously dominated by aircraft such as the Mirage.

Gripen exports to Hungary and South Africa and leasing agreements with the Czech Republic have not prevented Saab from being affected by a downturn in the domestic market; the company cut 146 jobs in January 2006 as production of the fighter aircraft for the domestic market began to wind down.

signatory
07-20-2006, 10:13 AM
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/62D68B1C-720B-4EBC-A6B0-FC0F112FC21F/3102/gripen_md_johan_lehander_at_fboro_2006.pdf

A document with some nice info....

such as:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5756/gripengrowthls1.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4602/gripenconceptnd6.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5995/gripenyearpp9.jpg

METEOR info: http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/62D68B1C-720B-4EBC-A6B0-FC0F112FC21F/3095/060717_Saab_Meteor_Farnborough_2006.pdf

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/6050/meteorqb3.jpg

Bert
07-20-2006, 10:18 AM
What are those small missiles on the Denmark proposal?

Resurrection
07-20-2006, 10:21 AM
Very interesting... what's the likelyhood of the SwAF getting these "Future Gripens" do you think?

signatory
07-20-2006, 11:47 AM
What are those small missiles on the Denmark proposal?

Heh you're lucky I just made this pic 1 min ago.

NOTE: This is of the C-version not the DK.

http://www.defense-update.com/products/s/sdb.htm

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/6467/gripen50percentiq8.jpg

signatory
07-20-2006, 11:53 AM
Very interesting... what's the likelyhood of the SwAF getting these "Future Gripens" do you think?

I think it could be possible... it would be in demand for the SWAFRAP international division if anything...

Bert
07-20-2006, 12:18 PM
Oh, they're bombs. The camouflage and their shape made them look so.. Missile-y.

Greek soldier
07-20-2006, 12:22 PM
Is the Future Gripen going to get the F414 or an improved F404?

Resurrection
07-20-2006, 12:41 PM
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/4219/futuregripendifferenceqz0.jpg

I think I can spot some difference in the size of the engine bays, the Future Gripen having the bigger one. If my eyes aren't playing tricks on me that is.

signatory
07-20-2006, 12:55 PM
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/4219/futuregripendifferenceqz0.jpg

I think I can spot some difference in the size of the engine bays, the Future Gripen having the bigger one. If my eyes aren't playing tricks on me that is.

I think your and my eyes play a trick...

see any diff here ?

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7926/gripensdx4.jpg

Resurrection
07-20-2006, 01:19 PM
I see it now. Right at the base of the tail, look closely and you should be able to see a bump. It gives the impression of a "fatter" engine bay.

hapazard
07-20-2006, 01:25 PM
yup..............

signatory
07-20-2006, 10:03 PM
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123023687

Swedish Gripen fighters arrive at Eielson

7/20/2006 - EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska (AFPN) -- The Swedish Air Force endured a long journey to participate in the Pacific Air Forces exercise Cooperative Cope Thunder for the first time.

In a journey that would span more than five days, seven Gripen fighters left Sweden on July 13 for the multinational exercise. The first leg of their trip took them west to the Royal Air Force station at Lossiemouth, Scotland. After being refueled, the next stop was at Keflavik, Iceland.

Two Swedish Air Force C-130 Hercules were used as transportation for ground crew, maintenance equipment and spare parts. The next day the squadron continued to Sondre Stromfjord, an airfield located at the southwest part of Greenland. After a few hours rest, the pilots took off for the next destination, Iqualuit in the northeast corner of Canada.

The journey continued the next day, via Churchill to the Canadian air base Cold Lake. The two remaining legs before reaching Eielson Air Force Base were carried out on July 17. After a short stop at Yellowknife, Northwest Territories, Canada, the Gripen landed as planned at Eielson.

By that time, the Swedish pilots and the 23 technicians from the ground crew had reached a significant milestone -- the distance flown from Sweden was 5,495 nautical miles.

Lt. Col. Ken Lindberg, commanding officer for Tango Red, is proud of the Swedish team's execution of the first phase of this exercise.

"I am very pleased that we arrived at Eielson on time according to our schedule. The personnel have done an excellent job, both in the planning phase and the execution," he said.

"During these past five days we have been operating out of some unusual places. All the while, we were continuously changing time zones," Colonel Lindberg said.

The colonel emphasized the importance of the Swedish Air Force participating in the exercise.

"This is the first time we have taken the Gripen to the U.S. for an exercise and we are looking forward to be a part in this. It will give us a lot of important experiences for future deployment outside Sweden," he said.

Cooperative Cope Thunder is designed to sharpen the combat skills of the participating aviation units. It provides training for deployed maintenance and support personnel in support of large force deployment air operations.
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Exercise info: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123023596

Resurrection
07-26-2006, 06:02 PM
Enhanced Gripen radar performance on the agenda as PS-05/A negotiations proceed.

Ericsson Microwave Systems (Gothenburg, Sweden) is negotiating with the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) for a fourth upgrade of the PS-05/A radar which equips Swedish Air Force (SwAF) Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft, as well as those Gripens operated by the Czech Republic and Hungary and ordered by South Africa.

Full development of the new Mk 4 version could be under contract by the end of 2006, company officials said on 13 June. The upgrade will primarily address improvements in the PS-05/A performance in air-to-surface modes, particularly those required for precision strike and close air support operations, said Jonas Branzell, project manager for future fighter radar technologies at Ericsson Microwave Systems. (The company is to become a part of Saab by September 2006 under a deal announced on 12 June).

Capabilities to be added include "very high-resolution" synthetic aperture radar (SAR), enhanced ground moving-target indication/tracking (GMTI/GMTT) and automatic detection of stationary objects, he said. According to Branzell, the Mk 4 is to be fielded from 2010, so that all 100 JAS 39C/D model Gripens that the SwAF will continue to operate under current plans could have enhanced radar performance by 2011.

Full story - click here (http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?t=2055&start=120) (16th post down).

Resurrection
07-26-2006, 06:04 PM
Btw, what ever happened to the carrier-based version? Haven't heard/read anything about it since signatory's first post in this thread.

signatory
07-27-2006, 02:40 AM
Btw, what ever happened to the carrier-based version? Haven't heard/read anything about it since signatory's first post in this thread.

it would seem they float this idea behind the scenes, in the past too...

2001: http://www.aviationweek.com/shownews/01paris4/intell22.htm

signatory
07-27-2006, 06:17 AM
July 27, 2006 - Volume XIV, Issue 30
Getting to grips: Gripen users' group formed

THE four nations which are either already operating the Swedish JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft, or have ordered the aircraft, have formed the Gripen Users' Group.

During a meeting hosted by the Swedish Air Force Chief-of-Staff on July 18, Hungary, South Africa (which has just taken delivery of its first aircraft, and expects to be operational by 2009) and Sweden decided on constituting the group.

The main goal is to initiate closer collaboration between the Gripen users concerning efficiency in both operational and technical aspects.

"The current agreement is an important milestone for a mutually beneficial operation of the Gripen," Lt Col Jerker Fredholm, of the Swedish Air Force, said in a press statement.

The next step will be to establish a memorandum of understanding among the user countries and to work on areas of operational and technical common interest.

The agreement was made at the 45th bi-annual Farnborough International Airshow in the UK, which ran from July 17 - 23.

Major Mats Gyllander, Communication Director for the Swedish Air Force, confirmed to The Budapest Sun that, although the Czech Republic, the fourth of the countries using the Gripen, was not present at the launch meeting, it, too, is a member of the users' group.

http://www.budapestsun.com/full_story.asp?ArticleId=%7BD470679A05B34FC8A78314C6025E0515%7D&From=Business

signatory
07-27-2006, 06:37 AM
Enhanced Gripen radar performance on the agenda as PS-05/A negotiations proceed.

Ericsson Microwave Systems (Gothenburg, Sweden) is negotiating with the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) for a fourth upgrade of the PS-05/A radar which equips Swedish Air Force (SwAF) Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft, as well as those Gripens operated by the Czech Republic and Hungary and ordered by South Africa.

Full development of the new Mk 4 version could be under contract by the end of 2006, company officials said on 13 June. The upgrade will primarily address improvements in the PS-05/A performance in air-to-surface modes, particularly those required for precision strike and close air support operations, said Jonas Branzell, project manager for future fighter radar technologies at Ericsson Microwave Systems. (The company is to become a part of Saab by September 2006 under a deal announced on 12 June).

Capabilities to be added include "very high-resolution" synthetic aperture radar (SAR), enhanced ground moving-target indication/tracking (GMTI/GMTT) and automatic detection of stationary objects, he said. According to Branzell, the Mk 4 is to be fielded from 2010, so that all 100 JAS 39C/D model Gripens that the SwAF will continue to operate under current plans could have enhanced radar performance by 2011.

Full story - click here (http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?t=2055&start=120) (16th post down).

:)

...Article Continues :

From Jane's:

The Mk 4 will involve both new software and hardware, the last primarily involving extra signal processing and high-frequency signal generation capacity.

It will replace the current Mk 3 configuration of the PS-05/A, that became available in 2005, along with the E18 edition of the Gripen operational flight programme (OFP) software. (Sweden now has the E18:9 version of the OFP, the Czech Republic E18:7 and Hungary E18:3).

The Mk 3, equipped with a new signal/data processor based on Mercury processor technology, already features certain SAR/GMTI/ GMTT capabilities as well as air-to-ground ranging and sea surface modes. For air-to-air, the Mk 3 has "full look-up look-down capability" plus multi-target track-while-scan, PTT and STT, short-range auto-acquisition and tracking and a beyond visual range (BVR) missile datalink capability for Raytheon AIM-120B (added as part of the E15 software in 2003) and MBDA Meteor air-to-air missiles. The radar targeting modes are also integrated with the Gripen's intra-flight datalink so that radar tracks are automatically shared with the other JAS 39 aircraft in the flight.

By 2008, an interim air-to-ground update is to be fielded as part of the new E19 software release. (The first Gripen to use E19 is actually the first South African aircraft, which already has E19 fitted and was shipped from Saab to South Africa on 16 June 2006). The interim radar update is aimed at better preparing the JAS 39C/D for providing air support to the Swedish-led Nordic Battlegroup - a 2,000-strong rapid reaction force to be on standby for a crisis response operation under the EU flag during the first half of 2008.

The Mk 4, which Branzell described as a "big step in the continued development of the PS-05/A", will be introduced as part of the next E20 software edition. The contract currently under negotiation is, for the time being, "just for the SwAF Gripen fleet" (how many aircraft will receive the upgrade package has yet to be decided) and not for the international Gripen users. "The Mk 4 radar is not in their current contracts; if the Czechs, Hungarians or South Africans want it their contracts will need to be modified," a senior Ericsson Microwave Systems executive told Jane's.

According to the company's future fighter radar roadmap, the Mk 4 is to be further upgraded to Mk 5 standard by 2012, when an active electronically scanned array (AESA) antenna (for which a source of transmit/receive modules has yet to be identified, with European and US alternatives being considered) is to replace the current mechanically scanned antenna.

"Our objective is to place the AESA antenna in front of the Mk 4 and to run the new system with upgraded software that is based on the experience we have been gathering in our NORA [Not Only Radar] technology demonstrator programme over the past few years."

One of these demonstrator programmes has focused on SAR/GMTI techniques, using a PS-05/A derivative flown in a container in the back of a SwAF C-130H Hercules. "Results have included geo-positioning of targets and geo-coding of SAR images," Branzell said.

The other demonstrator has concentrated on long-range detection and tracking of air targets in support of the future MBDA Meteor missile, he said. For this set-up, Ericsson Microwave Systems has been using an AESA antenna assembly that the Swedish company has acquired from Raytheon. The trials array comprises approximately 1,000 transmit/receive modules, Branzell said.

The Raytheon-supplied AESA was placed in front of a monopulse radar configuration, the combination being capable of beam agility and flexible beam forming, Branzell said. "We have used both wide beams and narrow beams, the latter for long-range detection and tracking. The SwAF has supported these trials by providing a bunch of Gripens to test the radar's multi-target tracking capabilities."

Further into the future (2015), the company envisions replacing the Mk 4's back-end with a new NORA radar system. This would be a full, multi-channel AESA system, of which the array can be subdivided into multiple sub-apertures capable of adaptive beam forming for jamming suppression and digital beam forming of multiple beams for multi-tasking.

"NORA has to be a multifunctional sensor," Branzell said. "Tactical requirements for it include ensuring dominant battlespace awareness; air target tracking and fire-control for BVR weapons; all-weather precision ground target capability; track identification through non-co-operative target recognition [NCTR]; low probability of intercept [LPI] through a low radar cross section and flexible energy management; and electronic warfare inclusive of offensive jamming."

By 2018, the next step would be to evolve the NORA sensor into a multifunction sensor that will combine active and passive radar, communications, electronic warfare and jamming. This future all-in-one sensor is currently known as EIRA for Ericsson Integrated RF Avionics - a designation that is likely to change however with the pending incorporation of the Gothenburg-based radar house into the Saab Group.
--

PS. Remember, this is the EMS roadmap decided before the acuisition by SAAB... they might want to do something else and for instance move forward AESA development to support export sales to India etc. But I bet the tech will stay the same.

signatory
08-03-2006, 12:58 PM
Flight Global had an article relating to Farnborough, talking about some enhancements.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=13872

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4761/gripenbobkemparticlemodelgc0.jpg

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/1294/gripenbobkemparticlemodelyj4.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenbobkemparticlemodelyj4.jpg)

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/994/gripenbobkemparticlero2.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenbobkemparticlero2.jpg)

KRPAN
08-03-2006, 05:34 PM
Romania and Slovenia require 40 aircraft each.

where did you get that info signatory? this is the first time that i hear anything like that... slovenia 40 fighting jets, it would be nice, but far from reality, unfortunatelly...

signatory
08-03-2006, 05:48 PM
where did you get that info signatory? this is the first time that i hear anything like that... slovenia 40 fighting jets, it would be nice, but far from reality, unfortunatelly...

I didn't write it.. I posted the source:


Wednesday, 19 July, 2006
Saab pledges Indian industrial participation if MRCA bid is successful
Guy Anderson, Jane’s Defence Industry Editor, Farnborough*


I don't know where he got that from. But that's journalism...

Gripen International doesn't say Slovenia have any requirement at all in their sales prospect document (although they have mentioned Slovenia as a possible future candidate). But if it's not in this document then it's nothing really serious...

source: http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/62D68B1C-720B-4EBC-A6B0-FC0F112FC21F/3102/gripen_md_johan_lehander_at_fboro_2006.pdf

signatory
08-06-2006, 11:10 PM
Found this overview of the Integrated EW-suit on the 39C/D. Since I constantly have to inform people about it, here's some info p-)

The jets equipped with it can be identified with having a white dot on the fin pod.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3228/gripenewsuiteoq1.jpg

EWS39 is Saab's integrated EW system for the Gripen multi-role fighter aircraft. The system is modular with a built-in flexibility allowing the system to be configured to specific customer needs.

The modular approach also permits later upgrades to incorporate technological advances or added functionality, allowing the system the future growth potential to deal with the ever-changing EW environment.

The basic system consists of five Line Replaceable Units (LRUs), four Wing Tip Units (WTUs) and an Electronic Warfare Central Unit (EWCU). Basic frequency coverage for the RWR is E- to J -band. However, the RF coverage may be increased to suit specific customer needs. The system is prepared to handle PMW, LWR, decoys, dispensers for expendables, an internal jammer as well as an external jamming pod. EWS39 interacts with the Stores Management Computer (SMU) for control of the expendables.

EWS39 communicates with other aircraft avionics via a standard 1553B bus and is designed to interact, and in most cases be controlled by the carriage aircraft's Systems Computer (SC). In the current configuration, the aircraft's SC provides EWS39 with mission data such as the threat and techniques library. In the current configuration, the SC also processes data from EWS39 for recording, display and audio purposes. The system uses an open architecture based on the VME bus standard. Application software includes functions for emitter identification, estimating emitter location, performing dynamic threat analysis and managing countermeasures.

With all options incorporated, EWS39 will bestow the carriage aircraft with the capability to fulfil self-protection missions and escort jamming in both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions.

http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/images/local/200_liander.jpg
Lookie lookie a white dot!

Resurrection
08-07-2006, 01:06 PM
Nice, I had no idea the system was that extensive.

czr
08-07-2006, 03:52 PM
I have fallen in love with this fighter, I hope to see more countries adapt this jet. Is it true that Pakistan inquired about purchasing Gripen fighters but was rejected?

signatory
08-07-2006, 06:11 PM
I have fallen in love with this fighter, I hope to see more countries adapt this jet. Is it true that Pakistan inquired about purchasing Gripen fighters but was rejected?

:)

Yea in 2004... it was made clear they would be rejected so the talks didn't go as far as to request a export license. First the number was 40 jets then later they talked about 60.


PAF trying to induct 60 Gripen jets into fleet
By Mayed Ali
LAHORE: Through a deal thought to cost around Rs 156.6 billion,
the Pakistan Airforce (PAF) is trying to induct 60 state-of-the-art
jetfighters, Gripen (JAS-39), with the manufacturers, Gripen
International - the conglomeration of Saab AB and BAE Systems.

These air-superiority combat aircrafts, come at a price-tag of
$45 million (Rs 2.61 billion), and are considered the best
overall bet in that category. The final delivery of planes to
PAF, is expected within three years. The PAF and Saab Scania
have already negotiated the deal. However, a final agreement
between the Pakistan government and Gripen International is
expected to be signed in a month or so, as the Saab AB awaits
a green signal from the Swedish Government. President Pervez
Musharraf's visit to Sweden has assumed even greater significance
against this backdrop. It is believed that the fate of the
agreement will be decided if President Musharraf succeeds in
convincing the Swedish and British governments to give a go-ahead
nod to Gripen International. Pakistan also intends to purchase
Airborne Early Warning planes, Argus, from Saab Scania as well.

signatory
08-18-2006, 09:07 AM
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1635/20060818hu2omg02ac227dul3.jpg

On the 14th of August the second batch of Hungarian pilots arrived at Skaraborg Wing.

These five pilots will now go through the conversion-training program at Skaraborg Wing, F7 Såtenäs.

http://www.f7.mil.se/index.php?lang=E&c=news&id=33482

signatory
08-18-2006, 01:17 PM
Gripens help German pilot who lost connection with Ruzyne

Vlasim/Caslav- Two Jas-39 Gripen fighters from the Caslav air base today took off from the airport to provide emergency aid to a a Boeing 737 of the German Hamburg Airlines that headed from Slovakia to Berlin, base spokeswoman Magdalena Dvorakova said.

The aircraft lost radio connection with the ground control at the Prague-Ruzyne airport. The Gripens that are temporarily grounded in Pardubice, east Bohemia, due to the repair works at the Caslav base, took off from the local airport at 12:57 p.m. After eight minutes they detected the lost aircraft at the 12-km height and established contact with it on the emergency frequency.

The pilot of the German plane confirmed that it was the only possible connection.

The military pilots thus became mediators between the German pilot and Czech air traffic controllers. The pilot heard their commands but was unable to react due to the radio defect. The German plane did not deviate from the route and the fighters accompanied it up to the German border. They returned to Pardubice at 13:58.

Gripens from Caslav took off for their first live operation last August when they helped a Turkish plane that lost radio connection with the ground control while flying over Czech territory.

They then accompanied the transport aircraft on the Istanbul-Hamburg route over Germany where it was taken over by the local aviation. Since that time Czech military pilots have received 11 signals for similar starts.

http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/index_view.php?id=204935

Resurrection
08-18-2006, 01:23 PM
Good to hear!

signatory
08-18-2006, 02:38 PM
On popular demand I built these action radius maps for the Gripen jet, based on 1999 SwAF Air charts. The text on the pics explain more. It's for 39A the difference with 39C is most significantly the ability to carry more load in the mission area.

Also worth knowing is hot refueling on the ground take only 5 minutes (8 min if external tanks is to be filled) and is done with the engine running so in 5 minutes the jet will double its action radius. If weapons need to be changed/mounted add another 5-10 minutes.

The Aerial refueling probe is of course an option too.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1749/europeactionradiusio9.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=europeactionradiusio9.jpg)
Europe
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3575/jasactionthailand1ha6.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jasactionthailand1ha6.jpg)
Thailand

czr
08-18-2006, 04:12 PM
That's very interesting, so each circle represents the approximate distance the Gripen can travel without refuel, but shows other friendly airfields where a pilot could land and gear up to travel further if need be?

Storstark
08-18-2006, 04:36 PM
It is just made up starting locations (probably to show potential buyers the effective range). The circles illustrates how far the aircraft can fly before it's has to go back for refueling.

signatory
08-18-2006, 04:45 PM
storstark is correct... it's real bases on those dots, but still just examples of combat range.

Skyman
08-19-2006, 07:40 AM
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3575/jasactionthailand1ha6.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jasactionthailand1ha6.jpg)
Thailand

Even I know Gripen for a long time. I'm a bit surprise that she can operate over the whole Malaysian's land if we place Gripen in south.

In next 5 or 10 years, Royal Thai Navy also have a plan to establish the attack squadon. It's required 8 fighter. If we choose Gripen as a next RTAF's fighter, there will be a possibility that RTN would choose Gripen also. (Base on the policy that encorage all forces to use the same hardware like we did with Black Hawk)

signatory
08-19-2006, 02:13 PM
Even I know Gripen for a long time. I'm a bit surprise that she can operate over the whole Malaysian's land if we place Gripen in south.

Well except Malaysian Borneo p-) Also remember it's possible to launch cruise missiles such as Taurus KEPD 350 which has a range of 350 km but unfortunately I don't know how long the jet can travel before dropping this load. But it does add to strike range if this is in the inventory.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3782/grippenkepd35022cf04zc4.jpg


In next 5 or 10 years, Royal Thai Navy also have a plan to establish the attack squadon. It's required 8 fighter. If we choose Gripen as a next RTAF's fighter, there will be a possibility that RTN would choose Gripen also. (Base on the policy that encorage all forces to use the same hardware like we did with Black Hawk)

Interesting news, thanks.

Skyman
08-20-2006, 08:37 AM
Oh again. Do you have any news and results form Red Flag? (Is it classify?)

signatory
08-23-2006, 09:29 AM
@ Skyman Not much info no, in the photo section there's a photo diary.

Gripen responds to Bulgarian fighter requirements

During a presentation at the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense Gripen International has submitted a comprehensive answer to a formal Request for Information regarding the new generation Gripen multi-role fighter.

2006-08-23 (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2006/060823_bg_rfi.htm)| The presentation was made on August 22 by a team from Sweden including representatives from the Swedish Government, Swedish Defense and Swedish Industry.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/4A74622D-F732-4AFC-AF31-FBF6E46BC0D8/0/060823_bg_team.jpg
Image: The Swedish team in front of the Bulgarian Ministry of Defence.

The Bulgarian Ministry of Defense has been presented a complete and extensive package including 16 new generation Gripen C/D aircraft (12 single and 4 two-seater) with full support and training provided in cooperation with the Swedish Armed Forces. The flexible package outlines several options regarding financial solutions. The first aircraft could be delivered already two years after a contract has been signed.

The aircraft proposed are fully NATO compatible Gripen C/D multi role fighters prepared to carry an extensive range of armaments from Europe, the US or other countries. Equipped with an in flight refueling system, a fully autonomous Tactical Information Data Link System (TIDLS) and a NATO standard Link 16 the Gripen C/D is well suited for meeting all national defence requirements as well as being able to participate in NATO operations.
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/65F75E16-DA31-4F17-99E0-47F1E2BDAC31/0/060823_bg_discussion.jpg
Bulgarian Deputy Minister of Defence is discussion with Bob Kemp and Daniel Boestad from Gripen International and Major General Staffan Näsström from the Swedish Ministry of Defence.

Gripen International has in this presentation fully committed to deliver 100 % offset, backed by its parent company Saab AB and a wide range of other multinational companies. This industrial cooperation with the Bulgarian Government and with Bulgarian companies will in the case of a Gripen procurement generate new business and employment in the defense as well as in other business sectors in Bulgaria. The industrial cooperation together with a range of optional flexible financing solutions which are fully supported by the Swedish Government are tailored to make a minimal impact on the Bulgarian national budget

Since this spring Saab International and Gripen International has an office in the Bulgarian capital of Sofia and from September first Ms. Krasimira Stoyanova will work as Marketing Manager in Bulgaria.

Luno
08-23-2006, 09:40 AM
Edit moving picture to Gripen photo thread :)

signatory
08-24-2006, 06:37 AM
Gripen boost for Bulgaria's auto industry in case of fighter jet deal

Co-operation in the auto industry is one of the offset options proposed by Sweden's Gripen International in case it is picked to procure new fighter jets to the Bulgarian air force.

In response to a request for price and availability information, Gripen presented to the Bulgarian defence ministry on August 22 a complete and extensive package including 16 new generation Gripen C/D aircraft (12 single and 4 two-seater) with full support and training provided in cooperation with the Swedish Armed Forces.

The flexible package outlines several options regarding financial solutions. The first aircraft could be delivered as soon as 2 years after the signing of the contract, the Swedish company said on its website.

The aircraft proposed are fully NATO compatible Gripen C/D multi role fighters prepared to carry an extensive range of armaments from Europe, the U.S. or other countries, said Gripen.

Requests for price and availability information were also sent out to Boeing, Lockheed Martin, France's Rafeal and Eurofighter, co-owned by Alenia Aeronautica, BAE Systems and EADS.Boeing was the first vendor to respond, offing 3 options for the supply of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to the Bulgarian air force. Rafael response was received on Wednesday. The Eurofighter presentation was expected on Thursday.

Gripen International said in its presentation it was fully committed to deliver 100 % offset, backed by its parent company Saab AB and a wide range of other multinational companies. This industrial cooperation with the Bulgarian Government and with Bulgarian companies will in the case of a Gripen procurement generate new business and employment in the defence as well as in other business sectors in Bulgaria.

The jet procurement procedure is the most expensive upgrade project of the Bulgarian armed forces estimated at over $1 bln.(Dnevnik) (http://news.dnevnik.bg/print.php?id=8511)

ozumn
08-24-2006, 11:04 AM
I dont see how we make any money on this, we should just give some to Lebanon.

signatory
08-24-2006, 11:30 AM
Are you Marcus Wallenberg or something? Last time I checked Saab wasn't state owned.

ozumn
08-24-2006, 11:38 AM
So why did we pay for it?

signatory
08-24-2006, 11:48 AM
what are you talking about?

ozumn
08-24-2006, 11:55 AM
We sweden, we have put out alot of money, and what do we get back?

signatory
08-24-2006, 11:57 AM
Sorry I don't understand what you're saying. eod.

ozumn
08-24-2006, 12:01 PM
Is my english that bad? oh well.
Love Gripen btw

Resurrection
08-24-2006, 12:16 PM
We sweden, we have put out alot of money, and what do we get back?

A fighter jet?

I don't either really understand what you're trying to say, try Swedish?

Greek soldier
08-24-2006, 12:20 PM
That Sweden pours money on a project but Saab (mind, defence company) lays off workers?

Mate, you think it is easy for such companies to make a profit? You are lucky that Saab has decided to promote this aircraft and not have the fate of VIggen. Czech Republic, South Africa, Hungary, and the Imperial School of Pilots (UK) have purchased it.

Slovakia and Bulgaria are the next targets. Who knows, I may even be lucky to see it with Greek colours. :D

signatory
08-24-2006, 12:50 PM
Sweden ordered Gripen in a competition of 4 private companies (3 American, 1 Swedish).. it's quite logical that Saab hired many people in the 80/90s to develop and build the jets and now that production slow down they will lay off a few people no longer needed.

Like LM now do for the JSF...


Posted on Wed, Aug. 23, 2006email thisprint thisLockheed Martin to cut 300 jobsBy BOB COX
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/15344677.htm)
Now that much of the design work on the F-35 Lightning II fighter jet has been completed, Lockheed Martin has begun to lay off some of the engineers and other technical workers assigned to the development program.

Luno
08-25-2006, 05:36 AM
there is an new artical about Jas 39 on defenseindustrydaily.com :)

to long to post here

The JAS-39 Gripen: Sweden's 4th Generation Wild Card
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/08/the-jas39-gripen-swedens-4th-generation-wild-card/index.php#more

signatory
08-31-2006, 08:40 AM
'In Seventh Heaven'

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/6706/1156887960648641770501cg0.jpg

Norway's Deputy Minister of Defense have been to Sweden again and got a chance to fly the Gripen in between meetings. 50 minutes above the Baltic Sea. Despite lacking training he even landed the jet. (SAAB must have some strong confidence in the automated landing system...)

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/8710/115688837442328889e33bvr6.jpg

He also confirmed that Rafale is out of the jet competition.

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/6493/snapshot20060831191912zn4.jpg

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/2084/snapshot20060831191849rr8.jpg

...and that Eurofighter is losing interest.

Sources:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/08/rafale-out-for-norway/index.php

http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=128150

Videos is available on Tv2.no and NRK.no to members.

signatory
09-03-2006, 10:59 AM
Gripen Tipped as Winner for Bulgaria's USD 1 B Fighter Jet Contract

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=69035

Business: 3 September 2006, Sunday.

The Bulgarian government is looking to buy a new fleet of fighter jets, launching a USD 1B battle involving some of the biggest arms companies in the world, the British Independent reported (http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article1305243.ece)Saturday.

Boeing, which manufactures the F/A-18, Dassault Aviation of France, and Gripen, the Swedish jet aircraft maker owned by aerospace group Saab, have already responded to the request for information from the Bulgarian Ministry of Defence.

Eurofighter, the jet maker part-owned by BAE Systems, is "considering its response", said a spokesman. "The likelihood is that we will be in it," he added.

Lockheed Martin, maker of the F-16, is expected to meet Bulgaria's MoD later this month.

The Independent cites Sandy Morris, an analyst at ABN Amro, as saying that Gripen might have the best chance at winning the contract because its JAS 39 jet is cheaper than the Eurofighter, which he estimated costs about £50m per plane.

The manufacturer has won similar contracts in the Czech Republic and Hungary. "These have proved pretty happy hunting grounds for Gripen," said Morris. "They have proved themselves quite nimble."

Bulgaria is currently reliant on a fleet of Russian-made MiG 29 jets but is understood to be interested in replacing them with between 16 and 20 planes, which could easily push the total value of the contract past USD 1 M. A request for information is the first step in a bidding process, which can take several years.

signatory
09-03-2006, 04:35 PM
Gripen International sign up PR agency for Norwegian campaign

Info:

The Norwegian unit of the industry leading PR agency Burson-Marsteller has received the lucrative contract to promote the Gripen concept in Norway and assist Gripen International on strategic decisions.

The magazine Kampanje speculate that the recent mass medial attention surrounding the State Secretary's flight in a 39D last week was the works of Burson-Marsteller. The flight was covered by two national TV channels and print media.

Only Norwegian text:
http://www.kampanje.com/pr/article48452.ece

http://www.bm.com

signatory
09-07-2006, 02:52 AM
As the new Gripen will feature a new engine, there's some talk about which one. There's practially no chance for any other brand than a GE/Volvo engine.

Obvious options:

1. The current F404/RM12 can be upgraded to provide 15% more output pushing it above 20,000 lbs. That could be an option for the MLU of the current Gripens but not for a larger Gripen "N". Today the RM12 deliver 18,000 lbs of thrust at sea level.

2. The F414-400 used on F/A-18 Super Hornet and Growler is a slide-in replacement and require little work to the fuselage. It delivers in its standard GE version ~35% more thrust than F404 at 22,000 lbs.

3. There's also a new F414 (http://www.geae.com/aboutgeae/presscenter/military/military_20060717b.html)in test-phase at GE providing a further 20% more thrust than the current F414. I.e up to 26,400 lbs. A plausable choice and delivers 50% more thrust than the current RM12 but would Gripen be willing to become the first customer ?

4. Another option proposed by Saab and the Swedish military is to build a demonstrator jet capable of accepting a larger engine diameter. A GE engine here is the F110-GE-132 sold to UAE in the F16. It delivers up to 32,500 lbs of thrust.

Volvo deliver parts to all four options. IMO number 2 or 3 is the most likely ones.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7228/volvof414enginese6.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5330/ceoofgevolvof414enginehb2.jpg

ozumn
09-10-2006, 01:30 AM
32,500 lbs of thrust. Hell yeah that would be sweet.

Nordmannen
09-10-2006, 04:28 AM
If the plane is good enough for eastern-bloc countries, it's not good enough for us.
What Espen Barth Eide says is of no interest since he really knows nothing about these things.

signatory
09-10-2006, 04:38 AM
If the plane is good enough for eastern-bloc countries, it's not good enough for us.
What Espen Barth Eide says is of no interest since he really knows nothing about these things.

South Africa, Sweden and the United Kingdom is Eastern block countries?

Do you smoke as much crack as ***** over there in dumb**** land?

dobrodan
09-10-2006, 05:37 AM
If the plane is good enough for eastern-bloc countries, it's not good enough for us.
What Espen Barth Eide says is of no interest since he really knows nothing about these things.

And you know so much more?

If it is good enough for the "Eastern-Block" countries, it is more than adequate for us, because they are much closer to potential conflict-areas than we are, and have intimate knowledge of their potential opponents planes.

The greatest problem Norway will have is the small number of planes we plan to buy. If a conflict arises, we need as many planes in the air as possible as much of the time as possible, until we can get assistance from our allies. Also, because the Gripen is cheaper to use, that means pilots will get more hours in the air, thereby getting more proficient in their job.

I would rather have the Gripen, and spend the money we save on SAMs and not least, the Army...

dobrodan
09-10-2006, 05:40 AM
And I have to add:

Earlier i preferred the JSF, but after the "pressurizing" from L-M, and the possibility of Gripen-N, I say Gripen all the way!

signatory
09-14-2006, 12:45 PM
Fastest chairman in town

Saab Chairman of the Board, Mr. Marcus Wallenberg, has flown Gripen for the first time.

2006-09-14 | Mr. Wallenberg, a previous CEO of Investor and a Saab board member since 1992, flew together with Saab display pilot Fredrik Müchler. I felt almost redundant, was his comment since he let Mr. Wallenberg do both the take-off and landing. The flight included breaking the sound barrier over the Baltic Sea and a fly-past over the board-room of Saab Underwater Systems in the city of Motala where a board meeting was in progress.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9923/060906wallenberga02c5aps1.jpg

Note: Wallenberg foundations and Investor AB group is the largest shareholders of SAAB and the largest Industrial holding corp in North Europe.

signatory
09-18-2006, 05:46 PM
Hungary Success Story - Special Gripen News Magazine
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/649DEB55-E9FE-476B-A8B2-E02CB6B54FDF/0/Gripen_SuccessStory_HU_low.pdf

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8997/hunga2nc9.jpg

Gripen News 2/2006.
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/3772EE46-C61B-4E7B-A994-6260EC2A930D/0/gripen_news_2006_2.pdf

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/16/gripennews2dl5.jpg

signatory
09-19-2006, 08:52 AM
Gripen International is doing a exhibition in South Africa and the SA01 jet is doing its first public display in the country.

More info over at the web.
http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Events/AAD2006/AAD2006.htm

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7691/sa01green640ul2.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7049/sa01mount640kd1.jpg

Hires:
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6466/sa01green1280fq4.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sa01green1280fq4.jpg)http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4395/sa01mount1280sp4.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sa01mount1280sp4.jpg)

Comments on the program:
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6425/sacommentsam8.jpg

Video of SA01 in South Africa:
http://www.youtube.com/v/iGgIbPt7hXE

Gripen News Special - South Africa
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/BB3CABAB-0220-4F2E-B87D-E681AF3BE1BE/0/GripenSuccessStory_SA_low.pdf

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1103/southa2vs4.jpg

Country Fact Sheet - Gripen info
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/32EF8F87-8BA6-4327-B340-7CC43F261AFD/0/Gripen_Factsheet_SA_low.pdf

eucalyptus
09-19-2006, 08:58 AM
This just came to my mind, I remember that one of the planes had a F-18 engine. Was it early gripen or viggen?

Deftoner
09-19-2006, 09:04 AM
Im gonna see them at the Airshow on Saturday. Will take pictures, Can't wait.

signatory
09-19-2006, 09:07 AM
Im gonna see them at the Airshow on Saturday. Will take pictures, Can't wait.

Lucky you, the South African paint scheme is real nice btw :)

@ eucalyptus

Hmm.. Gripen got a RM12 which is largely based on the 404 in F-18.

Deftoner
09-19-2006, 09:10 AM
Lucky you, the South African paint scheme is real nice btw :)

@ eucalyptus

Hmm.. Gripen got a RM12 which is largely based on the 404 in F-18.

Yeah, I hope they are on display so I can get some close up shots. It sounds like there will be plenty of other things there worth looking at in any case.

signatory
09-19-2006, 09:14 AM
Yeah, I hope they are on display so I can get some close up shots. It sounds like there will be plenty of other things there worth looking at in any case.

If you check out www.gripen.com they have exhibition floor layout and other info...


South Africa's first Gripen fighter (SA01) when not flying, will be located on the Static Display area opposite Hall 7. Gripen will be flying on Press day (19/9), the opening day of the show (20/9) and the two public days (23-24/9).

The Gripen Full-Scale Replica (FSR) is located outside Hall 7, opposite the Static Display area.

Gripen pilots and the rest of the team can be found either at the Static Display or the Full-Scale Replica throughout the week

Saab have a stand in Hall 7, Stand Number:A13

Deftoner
09-19-2006, 09:17 AM
If you check out www.gripen.com (http://www.gripen.com) they have exhibition floor layout and other info...

Aargh Thanks! Much appreciated.

signatory
09-20-2006, 02:16 PM
20 Sept 2006 (http://www.f7.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=33919)http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2661/usabes01121d47eci2.jpg

Deputy Under Secretary of the US Air Force, Mr Bruce S. Lemkin and SwAF Lt Linnea Ramström discuss JAS 39 Gripen mission planning.

He visited Skaraborg wing (F7) to discuss the JAS39 and the C-130 AMP. He got to see a Gripen airshow too.

signatory
09-21-2006, 08:41 PM
Crash avoided during live firing exercise

A JAS 39 Gripen jet from F21 Airwing was hit by shrapnel from its own automatic cannon during a live firing exercise. The jet was flying close to the ground, under 100 meters, and shrapnel hit up from the ground penetrating the jet. Luckily, the pilot could land the jet.

http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/inrikes/did_13717995.asp

signatory
09-25-2006, 05:19 PM
http://www.f21.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=33975

JAS 39C Gripen is now operative at Norrbotten F21 airwing in the north of Sweden. 4.5 years after adopting the Gripen system at the wing, 2'nd division took to the skies on Monday in new NATO compatible 39C jets.

signatory
09-30-2006, 04:20 AM
The three baltic states have asked the Czech Republic to help with aerial protection


Cirtek also said (http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/EGUA-6U4MTH?OpenDocument)that aerial protection for the Baltic states Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia - all NATO allies of the Czech Republic - was a topic at talks this week between Czech Defence Minister Jiri Sedivy and his Lithuanian counterpart Juozas Olekas.

"On behalf of all three Baltic states, the Lithuanian minister asked the Czech Republic about aerial protection of the Baltic territory," Cirtek said.

Unlike the Czech air force, which is equipped with Gripen fighter jets, the Baltic states have no supersonic aircraft.

signatory
10-02-2006, 07:59 AM
Saab have added the Norwegian companies PolyDisplay A/S and Baneservice A/S as partners in a strategic move ahead of the jet decision. Polydisplay receive a investment of 16 million SEK and can expect new orders of SEK 500m as a result. State-owned Baneservice A/S will perform 30% of the SEK 164m order SAAB received from the Swedish rail authority.


This cooperation also opens up for a broad industrial and knowledge based cooperation in connection with the sales of Gripen fighter planes to Norway,” says SVP and General Manager Industrial Cooperation Kjell Möller in Saab AB.

http://www.polydisplay.no/news/PD_news.html
http://www.corren.se/archive/2006/10/2/ivvydfpn86sqorl.xml?category1=1096984640-22&

signatory
10-05-2006, 05:45 AM
2006-10-05

ETPS/Gripen partnership goes from strength to strength
Some of the world’s best test pilots have again experienced the unsurpassed performance and reliability of the Gripen new generation fighter.

http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2006/061005_etps.htm

2006-10-03
Gripen at Defendory
With a long coast line to defend and a requirement to be able to react fast to any emerging threat Gripen would be the perfect solution for a future new generation fighter for the Hellenic Air Force.

http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2006/061003_defendory.htm

Greek soldier
10-05-2006, 07:34 AM
Hope on Saturday to see the Swedish blonde that was on the SAAB stand on Defendory International, again. p-)

Oh, yes and the Gripens cockpit. ;)

hardpresident
10-05-2006, 07:50 AM
Migs will destroy gripens easily in combat

Deftoner
10-05-2006, 08:01 AM
Migs will destroy gripens easily in combat

Please back up your statement.... which mig specifically, and in which areas of combat (BVR, Dogfight, etc)....? So is the way of MP.NET.


EDIT:
Oh I see he was suspended (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1975710#post1975710). No loss.

signatory
10-05-2006, 08:19 AM
Yes he was picked up in another thread but remember when children make comments like that just ignore them, report them etc.

I want to keep this a news thread with limited discussion relative to the news-articles and nothing else... :)

Deftoner
10-05-2006, 08:24 AM
Yes he was picked up in another thread but remember when children make comments like that just ignore them, report them etc.

I want to keep this a news thread with limited discussion relative to the news-articles and nothing else... :)

understood, just hate when twits come 'a' trolling....:roll:

..on topic.

I've been following the Gripen news too, It just seems to be becoming quite a success. Makes me feel my taxes went to some good atleast....

signatory
10-25-2006, 11:20 AM
Swedish prime minister urges Norway to pick his country's jet fighters over U.S., European rivals
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2075/112151031161786037img121508510da8b3ci2.jpg
Prime Minister's Fredrik Reinfeldt of Sweden and Jens Stoltenberg of Norway.


The Associated Press

Published: October 25, 2006

OSLO, Norway Sweden's new prime minister promoted his country's Gripen fighter jets to replace Norway's aging F-16s in a meeting with his Norwegian counterpart Wednesday.

"They are cheaper, they are fully developed and Sweden is good at cooperation with buyers," Fredrik Reinfeldt said during his first official visit to Norway.

NATO-member Norway plans to buy new fighters in 2008 in a deal worth up to 60 billion kroner (US$8.9 billion, €7.1 billion) to replace the U.S.-made aircraft.

The Nordic country is considering buying the F-35, or Joint Strike Fighter, developed by a U.S.-led consortium, the Swedish Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon, Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said at a joint news conference.

"We think it is important for Norway to have the chance to consider three real alternatives," Stoltenberg said. "But no decision has been made."

Neighboring Norway and neutral Sweden have a long tradition of tight cooperation in all areas, including industry.

Norway has often complained that Norwegian companies were not getting expected contracts from its 1 billion kroner (US$149-million or €119-million), 10-year commitment to the Joint Strike Fighter project.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/25/europe/EU_POL_Norway_Sweden_Politics.php
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9696/gripennsideft2.jpg
Norwegian link: (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/troms_og_finnmark/1.1214838)

signatory
10-25-2006, 12:02 PM
Sixth Hungarian Gripen fighter successfully delivered
http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/2439/takeoff1640ez7.jpg
Gripen delivery to Hungary, take off from Malmen, Sweden
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8913/takeoff3640wl9.jpg
Gripen delivery to Hungary, take off from Malmen, Sweden

Second group of Hungarian pilots and technicians in Sweden for their Gripen training
2006-10-25 | One more Hungarian Gripen fighter, of the latest C version, landed at Kecskémet air base today. It was flown by a pilot from Swedish Air Force. The flight, which departed from FMV´s facility outside Linköping, lasted for about two hours.

Full News Article here: (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2006/061025_hu_delivery.htm)

signatory
10-26-2006, 11:33 AM
Olomouc, Oct 25 (CTK) - Czech optical devices maker Meopta-optika said Wednesday it had won a contract to supply components to British Aerospace (BAE) under the Gripen offset programme, part of a lease of Gripen fighters to the Czech Army.

http://www.praguemonitor.com/ctk/?story_id=w44270i20061026;story=Meopta-optika-to-take-part-in-Gripen-offset-programme

Caprice
11-01-2006, 01:30 PM
SAAB and Danish Aerotech has just signed a 200+ milj Dk Cooperation agreement on condition that Denmark buys the Gripen Aircraft.
http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2006/061101_danish_aerotech.htm

And a new issue of promotionmagazine:
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/247CA2A2-C551-4633-AF49-5E9127DCAD76/0/gripen_news_2006_3.pdf

Regards C.

signatory
11-01-2006, 05:37 PM
Thanks Caprice.

Nice read about the exercise in Alaska in that magazine (From Gripen News http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/247CA2A2-C551-4633-AF49-5E9127DCAD76/0/gripen_news_2006_3.pdf).

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3121/gripen1en8.jpg


“Alaska was a success from beginning to end. We took seven Gripens to the other side of the world, flew in expeditionary operations for a couple of weeks, and never missed a single scheduled mission through an aircraft problem.

We did all that with just 90 people – including 12 pilots, 35 maintenance technicians, the Army TACPs [Tactical Air Control Party, better known as forward air controllers], our own security detail and others.”

“For the whole deployment we flew 340 hours, with 150 hours ‘on mission’ in the exercise. There were 10 days of ‘real’ exercise flying and, of our planned total of 225 sorties for the whole event we flew 220. Four were cancelled because of weather and one because of an equipment problem with a laser designation pod.”

“Every day we flew two missions, each with four aircraft. We did offensive counter air (OCA) missions as strike package escorts, ‘swing role’ interdiction missions with a secondary OCA tasking and close air support (CAS)/OCA missions – another swing role.”

“We dropped 16 Inert GBU–12 500-lb laser-guided bombs which were either self-designated by the launch aircraft, ‘buddy-lased’ by a second aircraft or targeted by the TACP teams on the ground. We also did strafing runs with our 27-mm cannon on CAS missions.”

“We were flying with big packages of up to 50 aircraft. That included Canadian CF–18s, Japanese F–15Js, USAF F–16Cs, US Navy EA–6Bs, plus tankers, transports and always an E–3 AWACS.”

“During OCA missions we used our datalink between four-ships which gave us fantastic situational awareness – better than we were getting from the E–3. We were always on top of the air battle. We also found that our warning and electronic warfare (EW) systems are really, really good. It was almost impossible for the Red air forces to get through our EW systems. And we always had a good picture of where the air defences were, could avoid them and still do our work – even in very dynamic situations, with the threat getting more complex each day.”

“After the exercise the US side told us that they would have to reassess the Swedish Air Force and its capabilities – they ended up with a lot of respect for us.”
Lieutenant Colonel Ken Lindberg was the Detachment Commander for the Swedish Air Force deployment to Cope Thunder/Red Flag Alaska.

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8814/gripen2bx5.jpg

In July and August seven Swedish Air Force Gripens (five JAS 39Cs and two JAS 39Ds) made an unprecedented deployment to Alaska, to participate in a major US Air Force-led exercise. Supported by two C-130 Hercules
and a team of about 90 personnel, the Swedish jets flew 5,495 nautical miles (10,176 km) from SwAF Ronneby to Eilson AFB for Exercise Cope Thunder 2006.

The Swedish team was known by the nickname ‘Tango Red.’ Cope Thunder (now renamed Red Flag Alaska) is a major multinational air power exercise that tests ground and airborne forces in complex real-world scenarios, over a large area of northern Alaska. Taking part were aircraft from Sweden, the United States, Canada and Japan – plus air defence assets from the US, Slovakia, Japan and even Mongolia. Seven other nations sent working level observers.

The exercise scenario was based around a national UN peace enforcement operation between warring neighbours embroiled in ethnic strife. Air assets were deployed to support UN forces on the ground and to strike at the aggressor’s military and infrastructure targets. The friendly ‘Blue’ forces faced a sophisticated ‘Red’ air defence network of radars, guns and missile systems. Some of the most lethal air defence weapons in the world were deployed against the Gripens in the shape of Slovak S-300 (SA-10) surface-to-air missile systems.

Operating with the Blue air forces, the job of the Gripens was to provide air interdiction and close air support using precision guided munitions, plus an offensive and defensive counter air capability. The Swedish Army deployed its own forward air controllers, who worked with the Gripens (and all Blue forces) marking targets on the ground for laser-guided bombs (LGBs). Throughout the exercise the Gripens were armed with GBU-12 Paveway II LGBs and Litening III laser-designation pods for attack missions. In the air-toair role the Gripens employed AIM–120 AMRAAM and AIM–9 Sidewinder missiles.

For Gripen, Cope Thunder/Red Flag Alaska was yet another demonstration of the aircraft’s ‘expeditionary’ capability. It showed that Gripen, and the Swedish Air Force, is deployable and interoperable with NATO and non-
NATO forces alike. The exercise also provided valuable experience for planning, maintenance and logistics – all of which will flow back to the Gripen community.

signatory
11-03-2006, 03:59 AM
Another important partnership signed this week in Denmark.

Terma and Saab sign Agreements
Saab and Danish defence and aerospace company Terma have signed a Memorandum of Understanding which should be seen as the initial step in a long-term cooperation between the two parties.

2006-11-03 | The background for the agreement is considerations of Danish Ministry of Defence which is in the process of evaluating options for the replacement of the Danish fleet of F-16 fighter aircraft. Saab is promoting the acquisition by the Danish Government of the Gripen aircraft as its new modern fighter aircraft as one of the candidates for the replacement.

This Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between Saab and Terma forms a good basis to bring together the expertise of the two parties resulting in good value for potential customers and also to sound and profitable business relations between the parties.

As a first concrete result of the Agreement, Terma and Saab have also signed a Contract for production of parts for Gripen. The production will start immediately at Terma's facilities in Grenaa, Denmark. The contract value is approximately 10 MDKK. The negotiations were concluded in a very short span of time.

More (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/2006/061103_dk_terma.htm):

Bengan
11-03-2006, 09:06 AM
"During OCA missions we used our datalink between four-ships which gave us fantastic situational awareness – better than we were getting from the E–3."

That sounds like qualified BS; either that or the E-3 is a very poor performer.


/Bengt

signatory
11-03-2006, 09:15 AM
"During OCA missions we used our datalink between four-ships which gave us fantastic situational awareness – better than we were getting from the E–3."

That sounds like qualified BS; either that or the E-3 is a very poor performer.


/Bengt


Yes and no. The Gripen datalink is a very advanced system and the E-3 is getting quite old. The radar images of the other Gripen jets is superimposed on the MFD screen with or without its own radar turned on. Even jets on the ground has the same situational awareness and can select targets using data from jets many 100's of km away before even taking off.

They also have the largest TFT screens of any combat jet.

Quick info about the datalink:


The Gripen is fitted with the "Tactical Information Datalink System (TIDLS)", which gives the fighter four high-bandwidth, two-way datalinks with a range of about 500 kilometers (310 miles) and very high resistance to jamming. The datalinks allow the Gripen to engage in combat using another aircraft's sensors or from targeting data provided by other defense systems. Data acquired from remote sources is fused and displayed on the fighter's main MFD. The link is fully operational when the aircraft is on the ground, allowing a pilot on standby to have high situational awareness of the battle environment.


One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track a target, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto a target's track through triangulation from several radars; or allow one fighter to jam a target while another tracks it; or allow multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to "burn through" jamming transmissions.

Bengan
11-03-2006, 09:20 AM
I know of the TIDLS, but what I mean is that even four PS-05/A linked together is in no way capable of outperforming the E-3.

signatory
11-03-2006, 09:44 AM
I know of the TIDLS, but what I mean is that even four PS-05/A linked together is in no way capable of outperforming the E-3.

It's not about outperforming a E-3.

It's about situational awareness in the pilot's seat (during OCA's).

E-3 on its own has better range but uses a rotating radar dome. Four Gripen's with radar beams covering a airtight spectrum autonomously superimposing the sensordata on the MFD's. 2 clear advantages for the pilot in that role.

There's nothing odd or strange here.

Deftoner
11-06-2006, 05:48 AM
2 related videos:

Gripen rearming capabilities on highway
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Guest/133/

Gripen engaging airborne and land based targets
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Guest/147/

Im not going to embed because they are quite large files. Go to the link and download in .flv

signatory
11-07-2006, 05:30 AM
Saab carries out IRIS-T flight test trials for Sweden

Saab has successfully carried out the first flight tests with the air-to-air missile IRIS-T to verify the function between the missile and the Gripen aircraft.

2006-11-07 | IRIS-T enhances Gripen’s close combat performance, which is an important component for Gripen during future international operations.

“The test trials are an important milestone in the Gripen program. IRIS-T is a European collaboration and development project within the missile area, where Saab has a leading role for the integration of complex future missile systems”, says Henrik Höjer, responsible for the Gripen program within Saab Aerosystems

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/343E87CC-F893-4A44-8ED4-DA5922600013/0/061107_irist_1.jpg


The IRIS-T is an air-to-air missile used during aerial combat with the new generation of fighter aircraft and will in future replace the American Sidewinder. The development of the air-to-air missile IRIS-T is being conducted as an international industrial project with the participation of Germany, Greece, Italy, Sweden, Norway and Spain. IRIS-T is now in production.

“The IRIS-T missile and the Gripen aircraft have worked as expected and we are pleased with the flight test results”, says Joacim Eriksson, Project Manager for the integration of IRIS-T at Saab Aerosystems.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/CCCF0A21-48BC-4170-828A-1C898370CB0B/0/061107_irist_2.jpg

At the end of 2005, FMV, The Swedish Defence Materiel Administration, ordered the integration of the missile on Gripen. Missile flight trials are included in the integration work, among other things. The work started at beginning of the year and will continue to 2009. The work started at beginning of the year and will continue to 2009.

Beside the IRIS-T programme Saab is also taking part in the Meteor programme, which also is an international cooperation between leading aerospace companies in Europe.

Saab is one of the world’s leading high-technology companies, with its main operations focusing on defence, aviation and space. The group covers a broad spectrum of competence and capabilities in systems integration.

http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2006/061107_irist.htm

Caprice
11-07-2006, 11:26 AM
Nordic threat to JSF programme as Denmark and Norway consider Gripen, push cooperation approvals in Lockheed Martin F-35 programme into 2007.

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=15446
© Gripen International (Modified by Tim Bircheno-Brown)


The chosen successor to Denmark's current Lockheed F-16s will ideally be operational by 2010, Hans Rusmussen of the Royal Danish Air Force's fighter replacement branch told IQPC's Fighter conference in London late last month.

The F-35 will not be available to international customers before 2014. Norway's fighter competition... http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/11/07/Navigation/177/210457/Nordic+threat+to+JSF+programme+as+Denmark+and+Norway+consider+Gripen%2c+push+cooperation+approvals+in.html

Maybe, maybe...:)

Regards C

Caprice
11-10-2006, 05:14 PM
Danish campaign from GI.
http://www.thm.dk/events/pics/gripen3.jpg
http://borsen.dk/650.9819 (http://borsen.dk/650.98194)
(In danish)

Exhibition in Copenhagen´s defence museum:
http://www.thm.dk/

Regards C.

signatory
11-10-2006, 05:57 PM
http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=15446[/SIZE]
© Gripen International (Modified by Tim Bircheno-Brown)



Thanks for the update! mmm.. the new avionics suite (Rev 19) which is installed in the first South African and ordered for the SwAF makes the platform really nice for CAS duties. Being able to target gps bombs with the high-resolution SAR and other neat trix.


The chosen successor to Denmark's current Lockheed F-16s will ideally be operational by 2010, Hans Rusmussen of the Royal Danish Air Force's fighter replacement branch told IQPC's Fighter conference in London late last month.

There's pretty much no chance of that happening.. regardless of what they select.

gulogulo
11-11-2006, 02:39 PM
A replacement for the danish F-16's should be operational by 2015 were replacement will start. I will bet that RDAF chooses JSF and that the evaluation of Eurofighter and Gripen are just for show. In every presentation the danish airforce produce concerning the future of the airforce, they always use the JSF too illustrait the future fighter. We has already payed 150 mill. US$ for participating in the JSF program. And on the TV-news this week there been some critical comments on the evaluation process.
But i hope the best plane may win in a fair competition....:roll:

signatory
11-11-2006, 05:21 PM
A replacement for the danish F-16's should be operational by 2015 were replacement will start. I will bet that RDAF chooses JSF and that the evaluation of Eurofighter and Gripen are just for show. In every presentation the danish airforce produce concerning the future of the airforce, they always use the JSF too illustrait the future fighter. We has already payed 150 mill. US$ for participating in the JSF program. And on the TV-news this week there been some critical comments on the evaluation process.
But i hope the best plane may win in a fair competition....:roll:

That's what Dassault said... So what's the political scene like on this issue? When is the next election and would a change mean something different?

I agree btw

gulogulo
11-12-2006, 02:27 PM
That's what Dassault said... So what's the political scene like on this issue? When is the next election and would a change mean something different?

I agree btw


Well the socialistic opposition are quit skeptical about the hole process but if they got into power they wouldn't be able too do so much about. That's because it's the Air-force that desides which aircraft they will recommend to the parliment. And in Denmark we have a tradition for following the recommendations. The only thing the politicians can do is too make sure that the 3 contenders are competing on equally terms and that's not so easy as it seems..:roll:

signatory
11-13-2006, 10:12 AM
SAAB today presented their offset program for Norway. The details is not available yet but this is:
--
SAAB is offering 48 new Gripen N (new engine, wings etc) for the total sum of 20 Billion NOK (US$3.12 Billion)

100% Offset in the form of Industrial contracts and technological cooperation.
--

Previously mentioned by the Swedish government is joint training and a support/maintenance base. And a offer to participate in the development of a Gripen demonstrator (similar like how Norway is in on the JSF and Eurofighter as a partner)

ozumn
11-13-2006, 12:24 PM
Cool, hope they buy them, and i would like us to get some to hehe.

signatory
11-15-2006, 02:40 PM
http://cache.*****images.com/xc/72534536.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=8AF8AF6A335E5B08EAA5D0A8FAE02772


Zagreb, CROATIA: Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt (R) shakes hand with Croatian Prime Minister Ivo Sanader before their meeting in Zagreb 14 November 2006.
Swedish Foreign Minister Push JAS 39 Gripen To Croatia

Other than providing political support for Croatia's efforts to join the EU in 2009, Carl Bildt took the chance to promote the jet.

- I noted that there is a Swedish offer supported by the government.

Croatian FM Grabar-Kitarovic said Gripen is under consideration. The Mig-21 fleet need to be replaced starting 2010 with around a dozen new jets.

SAAB and the Swedish government is also actively promoting the jet to EU candidate states Bulgaria and Romania as a kick-off to new business relations.

source: (http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/utrikes/did_14073192.asp)

Jeez what a difference this new gov is compared to the old... not ashamed to sell jets p-)

skinner the swede
11-16-2006, 07:32 AM
Hope they buy.

What does the Croatian people here on mp.net think about Gripen?

Bengan
11-16-2006, 07:43 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95373

Big Lebowski
11-16-2006, 07:46 AM
Representatives from the danish airforce are visiting the Saab factory these days to get a closer look at the Gripen.

signatory
11-24-2006, 03:38 AM
Sectra (http://www.sectra.se/)receives order for aviation cryptosystem

The Swedish Defense Materiel Administration (FMV) has ordered a cryptosystem that will be used in the Gripen aircraft system. The system will be delivered by the Swedish company Sectra and the order value amounts to SEK 10 million.

The cryptosystem meets the absolute strictest security requirements and is tailor-made for use in aircraft. This system facilitates faster and more cost-efficient development and further enhancement of the Gripen operations.

"Sectra has unique competence in encryption, as a result of which we can rapidly customize a cryptosystem for aircraft from our broad cryptographic portfolio," says Jan-Olof Brüer, President of Sectra Communications. "The order strengthens our position as the leading crypto supplier to the Swedish Defense Forces," Jan-Olof Brüer adds.

The cryptosystem in the Gripen system is expected to be in the air during 2007.

signatory
11-24-2006, 04:14 PM
Gripen International's Marketing Director Hans Rosen confirmed to Norwegian news VG (http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=164389)that the Enhanced Gripen promoted as Gripen N and DK will be built regardless of foreign interest. Dubbed Gripen 'New Generation'.

Resurrection
11-24-2006, 05:28 PM
Oh boy... that's big news.

Caprice
11-25-2006, 08:34 AM
Very good news indeed. Thanks for the link Signatory!

/C.

skinner the swede
11-25-2006, 09:22 AM
Nice but expensive. I hope some countries will buy the new version.

signatory
11-29-2006, 10:33 PM
Self-Explanatory. From FMV trial.
http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/9995/gripengbu12zc7.jpg
LGB GBU12 is in SwAF inventory as we know, also used over in Alaska.

New is (can't remember this was mentioned), since Sweden is not in control of GPS satellites and to further reduce the risk of collateral damage the decision has been made to aquire Dual-Mode bombs (GPS/INS+Laser) for all-weather precision attacks. This funding (SEK60m) has been added to the Gripen Framework budget by the new Gov.

They will become operational up to and from 2009 together with Edition 19 * of the JAS39.

By 2012 with the SwAF plan to operate Ed:20 which can generate gps coordinates by itself using SAR/GMTI. With Ed:21 by 2015 the aim by SwAF is to enhance the stand-off strike capability and precision attacks against moving ground targets.

* Ed:19 is the one rolling off the production line now, the South African SA01 was the first to fly with it a few months ago.

Caprice
11-30-2006, 02:59 PM
Gripen International's Marketing Director Hans Rosen confirmed to Norwegian news VG (http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=164389)that the Enhanced Gripen promoted as Gripen N and DK will be built regardless of foreign interest. Dubbed Gripen 'New Generation'.
Thinking about it, is he talking about the "demonstrator" or does he imply that Sweden will modifying it´s hole fleet of Gripenplanes(moving landinggear, more internal fuel etc.)?

/C.

Resurrection
11-30-2006, 03:47 PM
Thinking about it, is he talking about the "demonstrator" or does he imply that Sweden will modifying it´s hole fleet of Gripenplanes(moving landinggear, more internal fuel etc.)?

/C.

The SwAF hasn't ordered any "New Generation" Gripens, so all he's saying is that they (Gripen International) will go ahead with designing/developing this new version whether there's any foreign interest or not.


Ps. Vill inte verka spydig men på engelska särskriver man sammansatta ord.

Caprice
11-30-2006, 04:15 PM
Ok, thanks for the clarification!

/C.

Bengan
12-01-2006, 07:44 AM
Norway wants the competition to be on equal terms - devotes R&D cash to Saab.

(In Swedish) http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/inrikes/did_14183940.asp


Edit: Whoops. It's not certain, the cash depends on wether or not norway decides to continue with JSF, if they continue Saab will get money to make sure the deal is done on equal terms.

shadowsrider
12-01-2006, 03:02 PM
Beautiful machines! BTW who finally paid for integration with newest AMRAAMs for Czech Republic?
Gripen will really rock if gets Meteor missile...
Perhaps when our crews will be finally trained some friendly fights will be arranged between Gripens and our F-16s Block 52. I'm really curious about the results...

Maskirovka
12-01-2006, 03:10 PM
Norway wants the competition to be on equal terms - devotes R&D cash to Saab.

(In Swedish) http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/inrikes/did_14183940.asp


Edit: Whoops. It's not certain, the cash depends on wether or not norway decides to continue with JSF, if they continue Saab will get money to make sure the deal is done on equal terms.


According to Dagens Nyheter Norway will contribute with 400 mil. SEK (57 mil. us $) to develop the Gripen N (N = Norway). I have no idea why...

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=554&a=593686&previousRenderType=6

gulogulo
12-01-2006, 07:49 PM
I hope that denmark will buy the Gripen DK. We could use the money that we save, compared too the JSF price, on attack helicopters and UAV's. Denmark in greater need for CAS capabilities than a "First Wave Stealt Fighter". The Gripen DK is the optimal solution for Denmark....p-)
So wake up danish politicians:slap:

Viktor Urban
12-02-2006, 06:01 AM
I think (not just becouse i am a swede) that Gripen vill fit perfectly in both Norway and Denmark. I dont think that JSF will be a bad aircraft, but is the price worth it and will Noway and Denmark be able to use all of the potential in the JSF. When Gripen are beeing phased out i am sure that the pilots will be grounded in truck containers with ability to manouvre the first generation of pilotles "aircraft". The technology in aircraft manufacturing has come another step forward and when JSF will be fully operated ...then it´s allready out of date. And Gripen will be a even better plane if you order the Stril90/StriC/TARAS aircraft controll system wich was build up integrated with Gripen in System 39 (not perfectly NATO comp. though).

signatory
12-03-2006, 05:11 AM
I hope that denmark will buy the Gripen DK. We could use the money that we save, compared too the JSF price, on attack helicopters and UAV's. Denmark in greater need for CAS capabilities than a "First Wave Stealt Fighter". The Gripen DK is the optimal solution for Denmark....p-)
So wake up danish politicians:slap:

Industry is waking up. p-) Under the Danish Industry (DI) trade organisation the Gripen Team DK subcontractors group is now established.

The companies in the Gripen Team DK so far:
AJ Industri A/S, Brdr. Jensen A/S, Center for underleverandører, Danish Aerotech A/S, Lafa teknik, Maersk Data Defence A/S, Saab International Danmark A/S, Skals Elektronik A/S, Svend Frederiksen maskinfabrik A/S, Unimerco A/S og Xperion Advanced Composites Engineering A/S

JSF Team DK looks like this:
CSC Danmark A/S, GPV Group A/S, Danish Aerotech A/S, HiQ WISE A/S, DELTA, Maersk Data Defence A/S, Falck Schmidt Defence Systems A/S, RISØ, Force Technology, Systematic Software Engineering A/S, GateHouse A/S, Terma A/S

There is no team set up for the Eurofighter.

signatory
12-04-2006, 09:42 PM
The Romanian ambassador is visiting Linköping (http://www.corren.se/archive/2006/12/4/iz31lxsv77d12cf.xml?category1=1096984640-4&category2=1096984640-7&)to inform herself on the Gripen and the Biogas plant.

Romania is looking at acquiring ~48 new jets with ISD 2010.

Caprice
12-13-2006, 02:23 AM
The LO/LN-nozzle was news for me. T/W ratio of 15:1 (Only engine)in AB must be a big rise in power, anybody who knows what it is today? (What´s LPT BTW?)

Under its existing development plans, Volvo intends to demonstrate upgrades to the RM12 in the 2010-12 timeframe that will increase thrust-to-weight (T/W) ratio by up to 15%, reduce costs by about 10% and include a lower-observable, lower-noise exhaust. The RM12++ version would be aimed at the proposed JAS39E/F, and involve a new fan, modified LPT and control system changes. Compared with re-engining options such as the Eurojet EJ200, GE F414 and Snecma M88-2, the RM12++ would have "harder risk, but lower cost", says Nilsson. Further off, beyond 2012-13, studies are under way to advance T/W ratio to 10:1 in dry thrust and 15:1 with afterburner. Vectored thrust is also under consideration for the follow-on phase.
Volvo Aero's military engines are assembled in large man-made caverns blasted out from rock 30m (100ft) below ground. A vestige of the Cold War, these bunker-like assembly areas today provide a perfectly controlled environment for the build-up of RM12 turbofans for the Gripen. So far 186 RM12s have been delivered, with production continuing at 14-16 a year. Further sales beyond the original 204 firm orders for Sweden are now guaranteed following the recent export successes of the Gripen, while work continues to improve turbine durability and/or increase thrust, says Bergström.
Volvo's advanced flameholder developed for the RM12 and F404 is also in full production, with 189 delivered on RM12s and 143 exported for use on F404s operated by Finland and Switzerland. "The flameholder is better for assembly, and more easily removed and serviced in the engine," says military sales and marketing director Peter Cederberg. "We don't really know how long it extends life yet because we have yet to destroy one after more than 1,000h in the test rig. The life cycle is more than doubled."...
More here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/12/12/211079/nordic-special-quiet-partner.html

(It´s part of a "Nordic special" articles):
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/12/12/Navigation/190/211094/Nordic+special.html

Regards C.

Edit: Found out what LPT was...

Low-Pressure Turbine
The LPT module is the in the rear of the engine, aft of the HPT stator case. LPT components include the LPT rotor, LPT nozzle stator case and turbine rear frame. The LPT removes energy from the combustion gases to drive the low-pressure compressor (N1) rotor assembly.

Bengan
12-13-2006, 05:44 AM
T/W ratio of 15:1 (Only engine)in AB must be a big rise in power, anybody who knows what it is today?

The current engine T:W ratio is 5,23:1(dry) and 7,78:1(wet).

A 10:1 ratio with the current engine mass would mean a power output of 103,5kN(23250lbf), 15:1 equals 155kN(34875lbf).

If gripen stays on its current diet, 103,5kN/155kN would mean a T:W ratio of 1,210:1 dry and 1,816:1 wet. Current T:W ratios is 0,63:1 dry and 0.94:1 wet.

F-22 has a wet T:W ratio of 1.26...

/Bengt

Caprice
12-13-2006, 06:28 AM
The current engine T:W ratio is 5,23:1(dry) and 7,78:1(wet).

A 10:1 ratio with the current engine mass would mean a power output of 103,5kN(23250lbf), 15:1 equals 155kN(34875lbf).

If gripen stays on its current diet, 103,5kN/155kN would mean a T:W ratio of 1,210:1 dry and 1,816:1 wet. Current T:W ratios is 0,63:1 dry and 0.94:1 wet.

F-22 has a wet T:W ratio of 1.26...

/Bengt

Thanks for the numbers!
I really don´t know much about jet engines...but 1.8 T:W ratio is that possible??? (How big air intake wouldn´t that require...?) F414 has (only)a final growth step of 128kN.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/f414.htm

/C

Bengan
12-13-2006, 06:59 AM
Possible - yes.
Likely - no.

The higher numbers could of course be reached by lowering the engine weight, or a combination of increasing thrust and decreasing weight.

A further guess is that an increase in thrust of that magnitude will give gripen a range of 1, possibly 2 km

Caprice
12-13-2006, 07:23 AM
I would be satisfyed with 1,3-4 T:W ratio (with the planned longer range modifications of co****). :)

/C

signatory
12-16-2006, 12:37 PM
The Air Display video 2006 is now available in very high quality on Apple.com

http://www.apple.com/se/pro/profiles/gripen/movie.html

QT7 required. (Lower resoluton wmw version on www.gripen.com )

signatory
12-19-2006, 10:22 AM
GE completes F414 demonstration
By Guy Norris (http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/12/19/Navigation/177/211144/GE+completes+F414+demonstration.html)
Flight International

General Electric has completed tests of the XTE77/SE2 advanced technology demonstrator engine, which it says validates critical technologies for the F414 Enhanced Durability Engine (EDE) aimed at growth versions of platforms including the Korea Aerospace Industries/Lockheed Martin A-50 and Saab Gripen.

The engine was also the last GE-built demonstrator to run under the US government and industry's Integrated High Performance Turbine Engine Technology (IHPTET) programme, which began in 1988. Since succeeded by the Versatile Affordable Advanced Turbine Engines programme, the effort aimed to more than double turbine engine power-to-weight ratio and reduce specific fuel consumption by 40% over late 1980s-standard engines.

The XTE77/SE2 was used to demonstrate an advanced two-stage, all-blisk (blade and disk) fan and new high-pressure turbine (HPT) design, says GE. "The engine ran to 100% of maximum steady core speed and successfully completed all programme objectives during more than 20h of testing."

In a design similar to its much larger new commercial counterpart, the GEnx, the demonstrator's fan design incorporates three-dimensional-aerodynamic forward-swept aerofoil technology, which GE says provides about 10% higher airflow. The recently completed work builds on rig tests completed in 2005 to verify an advanced, six-stage compressor configuration.

The higher power of the F414 EDE is being offered by GE as a way of either increasing thrust by up to 20% over the current F414-400 engine, or offering "up to three times the life of today's hot section at current thrust levels". Partly funded by the US Navy, the ongoing demonstrator programme also includes research into high-cycle-fatigue reduction technologies, and foreign object damage-tolerant fan and compressor aerofoil designs.

"GE is working with the USN to plan the next phases of testing, which are aimed at further performance and durability improvements through application of next-generation aero and HPT cooling schemes, advanced materials and low-emissions technologies," says the company.

The F414 EDE is likely to compete for future combat aircraft opportunities with the Volvo Aero RM12++ project, as well as potential growth versions of the Eurojet EJ200 and Snecma M88-2. Pratt & Whitney has also studied an IHPTET-derived engine, dubbed the PW7000. This is based on its XTE/XTC-66 demonstrator originally sized as a drop-in replacement for the F414, more than 650 of which have now been delivered for the USN's Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets.
--

Just to make it clear.. GE and Volvo is not really competing as to what they sell to SAAB on the Gripen program. Irrelevant of choice the work is done through Volvo. RM12++ is also directed towards upgrades to the C/D jets and not aimed at Gripen N/DK like the F414-400 or F414EDE.

GE Press release: http://www.geae.com/aboutgeae/presscenter/military/military_20061212.html

signatory
12-19-2006, 01:34 PM
Seventh Gripen fighter plane arrives at C Hungary air base


Budapest, December 19 (MTI) - The seventh Gripen jet fighter out of 14 that Hungary is leasing from Sweden, landed at the Kecskemet military airbase, C Hungary, on Tuesday, the Swedish Defence Procurement Office (FMV) told MTI.

The first five Gripens arrived at Kecskemet in March and the sixth in October. Deliveries for 2006 are fulfilled, director of FMV's Hungarian Gripen programme Mats Hansson said.

Hungary will receive the last seven of the upgraded NATO-compatible jets by December 2007 under a ten-year lease agreement concluded with the Swedish-British manufacturer Gripen International in 2001. The fighters will be owned by Hungary afterwards.

The 12 single-seat and two double-seat Gripen JAS-39 fighter planes, capable of mid-air refueling, are outfitted with laser-guided missile systems and an on-board oxygen generating system.

The total cost of the deal will come to about 210 billion forints (EUR 798m) by 2016, including 122 billion forints (EUR 463m) to lease the fighters, about 20 billion forints (EUR 76m) in interest on loans and about 68 billion forints (EUR 258m ) for logistics support.

http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=1&theme=2&cat=25&newsid=232264

.. www.fmv.se details it as a 39C flown by a SwAF pilot. (2h)

signatory
12-19-2006, 02:53 PM
http://www.regeringen.se/content/2/c4/78/69/27c313ac.jpg

The Swedish Minister for Foreign Trade, Ministry for Foreign Affairs
Sten Tolgfors wrote an opinion piece as to why Norway should buy the Gripen, from a industrial cooperation POV.

The publication coincide with Tolgfors visiting Oslo today for talks with his counterpart, the Norwegian foreign minister and others.

[Text in Swedish] http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/7869

signatory
12-20-2006, 12:41 AM
Five new hungarian Gripen pilots graduated last week. The former MIG-pilots spent 4 months in Sweden.

http://www.f7.mil.se/images/local/20061219_hu_examen01.jpg

Well done!

signatory
12-21-2006, 09:51 AM
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/505AA536-5E0F-4440-A997-1B3941593905/0/india.gif
Just some notes from my head abt India:

SAAB is currently setting up Gripen International's own India office. Campaign Director Tony Ogilvy will move from Stockholm and work out of New Delhi and Bangalore (Silicon Valley of India, Aeronatics centre..) after the new year.

Gripen will be at the Aero India '07 international airshow in February. The SwAF air chief and other VIPs too. Saab is tight-lipped but Indian media suggest Gripen will (as F-16 and F-18) perform a flying display this year.

The offer to India is based around a joint venture with several Indian corps in the aviation industry building upon technological transfers. Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd would be assembling 125 of the 126 jets, with the first one built in Sweden.

The RFI was answered in 2004 and a RFP will be issued very soon, the decision on who will win the Indian tender could come within months of that.

The Gripen for India factsheet is here (http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/5F619938-C945-4610-88A0-67B87E4D78FD/0/GripenFactSheet_India.pdf)

Resurrection
12-21-2006, 09:54 AM
Awesome stuff signatory, thanks. The future is looking pretty bright for Gripen.

signatory
12-22-2006, 06:24 AM
Gripen in the race for future fighter replacement in Norway

Gripen International has received an invitation from the Norwegian Ministry of Defence to discuss a model for cooperation related to a possible replacement of the Norwegian F-16 fighter aircraft. The discussions will start early in 2007.

2006-12-22 | An enhanced standard of the Gripen new generation fighter, dubbed Gripen N, has been offered as an answer to a formal Request for Information earlier in 2006. The offer, backed by the Swedish Government, also includes Industrial co-operation and development on several levels.

“We are looking forward to the opportunity to co-operate more closely with Norway so that in partnership we can pursue the best possible solution”, says Gripen International Campaign Director Norway Hans Rosén as a comment to the invitation. “We have already had very good and interesting discussions with representatives from political parties, the Armed Forces and Norwegian industry and we are really pleased to have the opportunity to take it one step further. It’s an important step to put us on equal terms with other competitors.”

http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/2006/061222_no.htm

signatory
01-06-2007, 06:38 AM
A Saturday lazysheet showing the Gripen concept. Can be handy if someone is curious about the basic capabilities without a desire to read a lot of paperwork :)

There's no other new generation jet with this amount of integration today.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3184/gripensheetdt6.jpg

Based on official info from www.fmv.se (http://www.fmv.se) www.gripen.com (http://www.gripen.com)and www.saab.se (http://www.saab.se) and one photo from 211.airspace.cz for the specific sources it's ok to PM me and I'll try to help.

jerka71_1
01-06-2007, 06:57 AM
(SAAB is not part of this investigation. Still worth reading.)

Arms deal investigators probe BAE payments to South African


Official was linked to minister who helped firm win £1.5bn jet order

Chris McGreal in Johannesburg
Saturday January 6, 2007


The Serious Fraud Office is investigating "substantial payments" made by BAE Systems to a senior South African defence ministry official who had influence over a £1.5bn contract won by the arms company to supply planes at nearly twice the price of a rival bidder.
Last night it emerged that South Africa's organised crime unit, the Scorpions, was handling a "mutual legal assistance" request from the SFO to investigate the financial accounts of Fana Hlongwane, a politically well-connected businessman, in relation to the 1999 deal. Mr Hlongwane is a former special adviser to the then South African defence minister, Joe Modise, who died in 2001.

Mr Modise has been named in allegations of corruption, including claims that he took a £500,000 bribe from BAE and $10m from a German consortium that signed a contract to sell submarines. The SFO is also investigating John Bredenkamp, a tycoon who is BAE's agent in southern Africa and whose UK home and offices were raided in October.

South African sources said yesterday that SFO detectives were expected to travel to Pretoria within weeks.
Details of the investigation emerged soon after the UK government abruptly halted an SFO inquiry into alleged bribes paid by BAE to Saudi royals. Tony Blair claimed Britain's security would be endangered if the investigation continued, prompting criticism that the Saudi regime had blackmailed the British government and that BAE was above the law.
Later this month, Whitehall officials will have to justify the Saudi decision at a hearing of the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, the world's leading anti-bribery watchdog.
Norman Lamb, a Liberal Democrat frontbencher, said the investigation in South Africa "showed that the SFO still poses a danger to BAE. If BAE think they are in the clear, they could be very wrong. If they were ****-a-hoop over the Saudi decision, they may have partied too soon".
The SFO is also pursuing its investigations into allegations that BAE made corrupt payments to politicians and officials in Tanzania, Chile, the Czech Republic and Romania. Mr Lamb said it was crucial that these other allegations were seen to be investigated properly.
The latest developments centre on claims of substantial payments to Mr Hlongwane. According to South African sources, the SFO is investigating whether payments were made while he was an adviser on the arms deal to Mr Modise. At the time, Mr Hlongwane was also a director of South African arms company Denel.
Suspicion was cast on the aircraft deal after Mr Modise changed the formula by which the contract would be decided to discount price as a factor.
South Africa's airforce chiefs had selected Italian aircraft as cheaper and more modern, but the amended specifications shifted the balance in favour of the ageing British Hawks - at nearly double the price.
The Hawks are part of a £1.5bn package BAE and Saab put together to supply 24 Hawk fighter trainers and 28 Gripen light fighter aircraft to South Africa. Sources in the country say the request to the police indicates that the SFO investigation extends beyond the sale of the Hawk aircraft to the payment of bribes in South Africa and other developing countries.
The sources say that the SFO believes that information on South African bank accounts may also lead to offshore accounts in Mauritius and the Seychelles.
In the race to win contracts, BAE built a tangled web of relationships with South African officials, particularly Mr Modise.
BAE acknowledges that it paid tens of millions of pounds in secret commissions to win the £1.5bn contract. The arms company originally intended to pay 12% of the contract price in commissions but agreed to cut that back to 7% - more than £100m - following questions from the British authorities underwriting the deal.
An internal Foreign Office memo three years ago says BAE named the agent handling the commissions in South Africa as the company Osprey. BAE claimed Osprey had no links with anyone involved in awarding contracts but in truth, it had close ties with Mr Modise. Among Osprey's shareholders was Tsebe Properties, of which Mr Hlongwane was a director.
BAE also made a donation to the ruling African National Congress just after the contract was signed. BAE declined to comment on the specifics of the SFO request, or its relationship with Mr Hlongwane. A spokesman said the company was "fully cooperating" with the investigation. "As the SFO inquiry is a continuing criminal investigation, it would be inappropriate for us to comment," he said. Mr Hlongwane was unavailable for comment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/armstrade/story/0,,1983976,00.html

jerka71_1
01-08-2007, 04:47 PM
2007-01-08 20:25

The new coalition government of Austria might give Gripen a new hope. There are 28 "free" Gripens available according to FMV (Swedish Defence Material Administration) for a quick export if Austria would retreat from the Eurofighter project.

Source (only in swedish so far):

http://www.corren.se/archive/2007/1/8/j0vrn6fpz6bcaez.xml?category1=1096984640-22&

Any Austrian comments/news on this?

ozumn
01-09-2007, 03:01 AM
2007-01-08 20:25

The new coalition government of Austria might give Gripen a new hope. There are 28 "free" Gripens available according to FMV (Swedish Defence Material Administration) for a quick export if Austria would retreat from the Eurofighter project.

Source (only in swedish so far):

http://www.corren.se/archive/2007/1/8/j0vrn6fpz6bcaez.xml?category1=1096984640-22&

Any Austrian comments/news on this?

Germany and Mercedes will stop it like they did last time, thats the buzz at F7.

signatory
01-09-2007, 04:14 AM
2007-01-08 20:25

The new coalition government of Austria might give Gripen a new hope. There are 28 "free" Gripens available according to FMV (Swedish Defence Material Administration) for a quick export if Austria would retreat from the Eurofighter project.

Source (only in swedish so far):

http://www.corren.se/archive/2007/1/8/j0vrn6fpz6bcaez.xml?category1=1096984640-22&

Any Austrian comments/news on this?

Hm why did you translate ledig to "free" instead of "available" ?

Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer had to give up a lot during the negotiations, 3 billion in tax cuts and a higher minimum wage.. so now he got just a few election promises left... one of them was to shoot down the Eurofighters.. some say it would be near impossible to cancel but otoh the jets have been delayed..

signatory
01-12-2007, 03:38 AM
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/640/indiaflag358badth1.jpg

Gripen Eyes Exposure in Aero India 2007

Dated 11/1/2007

With the Request For Proposal (RFP) pending on the Indian Air Force's 126 Multi Role Combat Aircraft contract, Gripen International - one of the bidders in the race - is eyeing critical visibility at the upcoming Aero India (February 7-11) in Bangalore.

Talking to Deccan Herad on Wednesday, Tony Ogilvy, Vice President (Sales and Marketing) - Gripen International said the show was extremely crucial in the company's plans for India.

"We've pooled all our resources into the event. A big pavilion has been shipped out and for the first time in Asia, three fighter aircraft from the Swedish Air Force will be on display. Aero India will reflect Gripen's commitment to India and show our real intent," Mr Ogilvy said. The simulated cockpit for fighter pilots - that will be part of the Gripen pavilion at Aero India - will showcase its key features including top-of-the-line visual display and air-to-air datalinking.

Bangalore calling

Gripen, the fighters export and marketing wing of Swedish aerospace major Saab, is in the MRCA race with its JAS 39 fighter. The contract, the RFP for which is expected to be issued soon, is worth around Rs 30,000 crore. Mr Ogilvy who is also Gripen India's Campaign Director said that in a market which has the F-16s, MiG-21s and the Mirages, Gripen's had been a low-profile presence.

He, however, said the idea was to push for the change through a series of initiatives, one of them being the launch of the Bangalore operations, complete with a core team of three to four senior design and technological experts.

"Bangalore is the centre of the Indian aerospace industry and Aero India will be the ideal platform to display Gripen aircraft for the first time to the IAF, as well as the public," he said.

Mr Ogilvy said Gripen JAS 39 offered a low-maintenance model with an assured life of 40 years. He said IAF had wanted fighters in the race to be upgraded to Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars and Gripen would ” on acceptance of RFP ” include the radars in the offer. On IAF's demand for heavier, twin-engined fighters, Mr Ogilvy said he was not aware of such preferences. "We are presenting ourselves in the six to eight tonne category and single-engine fighters are the norm these days."

http://www.india-defence.com/reports/2798

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Nebelwerfer.
01-12-2007, 07:40 AM
Hope they buy.

What does the Croatian people here on mp.net think about Gripen?

Sorry, didn't notice this thread untill today. Vast majority of Croats that are interested in military want Gripen for our new plane. It would be much better decision over used Fighting Falcons. Yes, FFalcons are much cheaper, but where's training of pilots, equipment, modernisation....In the end they won't be much cheaper than new Gripens and could fly 'only' 15 years while Gripen can serve us for the next 30-40 years. Even our pilots in Air Force want Gripens for our new plane.

BTW, I've read in local newspapers that the swedes have set up an office here in Zagreb for the purpose of buying Gripens.woot

signatory
01-16-2007, 02:23 PM
Thanks for the comments Il-28, good to hear :)

Short news:

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/7A534C17-7B3A-48F3-BAC4-6327A97A71B0/0/070115_39210_t.jpg



2007-01-15
Gripen C/D Fighter achieves new milestone (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/News/2007/070115_500h.htm)
On 14 December 2006, Gripen fighter (Tail No. 39210) became the first of the new Gripen C/D standard of the aircraft to pass the 500 operational flight hour mark.

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/505AA536-5E0F-4440-A997-1B3941593905/0/india.gif

The position and size of the Gripen pavillion at Aero India.
Unlike the competitors it's positioned in between the exhibition halls and offer a view over the flight line and aerial displays. With its 400 sqm size it's the largest pavillion of the fighter jet producers (x4 Rafale/Eurofighter/MIG, x2 LM/Rosob)

Other than the air and static displays from 3 SwAF Gripen's the pavillion has a mockup jet and a cockpit simulator.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/1087/aeindiash8.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aeindiash8.jpg)

signatory
01-16-2007, 02:28 PM
..............delete

signatory
01-26-2007, 10:44 PM
http://www.wittenburgbv.nl/Images/flag_norway.jpg

Small update.. in the next few days the Norwegian MOD will sign a non-binding production MoU with the US on JSF.

In March the aim is to sign contracts (http://www.na24.no/politikk/article874061.ece)with Saab Gripen and EADS Eurofighter. (For the first time the Gripen will receive investment money from Norway)

Gripen had good PR since they entered the Norwegian campaign, on TV, news etc and is viewed more as a 'common sense' option.. this is reflected in a unscientific webpoll (http://www.na24.no/politikk/article877650.ece)done on Friday.

A identical poll 2 years ago Gripen came in 3rd w/23%.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/526/norgewebpollyn8.jpg

The Norwegian officer's magazine also carry more Gripen coverage than ever before.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8382/saabofficer2pe0.jpg

khukuri
01-27-2007, 10:50 AM
signatory, how likely is the indian thing.


God I hope that the neighbours choose the Gripen.

signatory
01-27-2007, 12:07 PM
signatory, how likely is the indian thing.

Phew that tender is not easy to read.. they don't seem to have definitaly specified a budget nor a number of jets to be bought. Since they first started the process so much has happened. Anyway, probably not very likely unless the IAF go for a decision to split the order.. such as 100 MIG-35 and 100 Gripen's..

That way they would get a politically safe choice on Mig-jets with a local produced engine and at the same time get a next gen jet ready for the latest European avionics (m-aesa) and missile systems (meteor) into the fleet. Rafale could also give them that but its price is a bit high for a split order.

signatory
01-31-2007, 12:16 PM
Hungary’s next Gripen fighter aircraft successfully delivered
PRESS RELEASE Nr E 1 31.1.2007

Hungarian Air Force now has a total of nine operational Gripen fighter aircraft

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1610/imagevaulthandler18cfefog7.jpg

One more Hungarian Gripen fighter, of the latest C version, landed at
Kecskémet air base today following its delivery flight from Sweden. It was flown by a pilot from Swedish Air Force. The flight, which departed from FMV´s facility outside Linköping, lasted for about two hours. At the same time one of the dual seated Hungarian Gripen aircraft returned from Sweden after following a planned software upgrade.

- “We are now delivering aircraft six (6) months ahead of schedule. In accordance with the contract, we are required to deliver nine (9) aircraft by August 2007, but with the delivery today the Hungarian Air Force has already taken delivery of nine (9) aircraft in Kecskémet. I would like to express my gratitude to all those people that made this possible”, - said Mats Hansson, Program Director for the Gripen for Hungary program within FMV.

The remaining five (5) Hungarian Gripen aircraft will be delivered to Hungary progressively until December 2007. Hungary is the third nation, after Sweden and the Czech Republic, to operate the Gripen fighter. Hungary will receive the latest C and D versions of the Gripen aircraft. These aircraft are the latest versions of the Gripen aircraft and are equipped with full color cockpit displays, a retractable air-to-air refueling probe and are fully NATO-interoperable.

http://www.fmv.se/WmTemplates/page.aspx?id=2302

khukuri
01-31-2007, 08:01 PM
Phew that tender is not easy to read.. they don't seem to have definitaly specified a budget nor a number of jets to be bought. Since they first started the process so much has happened. Anyway, probably not very likely unless the IAF go for a decision to split the order.. such as 100 MIG-35 and 100 Gripen's..

That way they would get a politically safe choice on Mig-jets with a local produced engine and at the same time get a next gen jet ready for the latest European avionics (m-aesa) and missile systems (meteor) into the fleet. Rafale could also give them that but its price is a bit high for a split order.


thanks ! appreciated

signatory
02-02-2007, 11:47 AM
Gripen Fighters Arrive In India

Dual-Seat brand new 39D '824 and '826. Single seat 39C '229. Note: 39.824 is a Tango Red jet from the Alaskan exercises. She sure gets around :) 39.229 is otoh a regular on air shows.

More at bharat-rakshak (ty for pics): (http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/main.php)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/551/mainphpg2viewcorekd3.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3247/mainphpg2viewcoreuf6.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7762/mainphpg2viewcorels6.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4458/mainphpg2viewcorecz1.jpg

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5093/mainphpg2viewcorewj1.jpg

signatory
02-02-2007, 11:59 AM
Gripen at the Alpine World Ski Championships (http://www.are2007.com/)

Tomorrow, Saturday at 12:24 CET just before the Super-G race there will be JAS 39 Gripen opening up the event. Followed by flights on the 14th and 17th of February.

Other planned events in 2007:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3411/gripenairshowsdl1.jpg

Maskirovka
02-02-2007, 01:40 PM
- “We are now delivering aircraft six (6) months ahead of schedule. In accordance with the contract, we are required to deliver nine (9) aircraft by August 2007, but with the delivery today the Hungarian Air Force has already taken delivery of nine (9) aircraft in Kecskémet. I would like to express my gratitude to all those people that made this possible”, - said Mats Hansson, Program Director for the Gripen for Hungary program within FMV.


A fighter programme that is ahead of schedule...
To me that sounds a bit unusual, but I guess that´s a good thing. For both SAAB and Hungary.

bubi
02-03-2007, 02:50 PM
hungarian gripen:

bubi
02-03-2007, 02:55 PM
the new gripen

Chucky
02-06-2007, 03:16 AM
Gripen for India: Tailor- made to meet India’s fighter needs

Gripen International, the Swedish company responsible for marketing and selling the Gripen new generation multi-role combat fighter worldwide, is proud to be once again supporting the Aero India 2007 International Aerospace and Defence Exhibition, being staged at the Yelahanka Air Base in Bangalore, India between 7-11 February 2007.

This year, the historic 75th anniversary of the Indian Air Force, sees the Gripen team’s biggest ever commitment to India. With the opening of Saab/Gripen offices in New Delhi and Bangalore, three (3) Gripen new generation multi-role combat aircraft taking part in the flying and static displays at the Aero India exhibition, and the full support and attendance of Swedish government officials and Saab/Gripen International’s senior management, Saab/Gripen International has made record investment in the Aero India 2007 exhibition.

Amongst the senior representatives attending the exhibition are Tony Ogilvy, Gripen International’s Director for India, Ingemar Andersson, Saab AB’s Vice President and Deputy CEO and Bengt Johansson, Deputy Trade Commissioner from the Swedish Trade Council, all of whom will be available ahead of, and during the Aero India exhibition.

Read more+pictures
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/airforce/Gripen_for_India_Tailor-_made_to_meet_India_s_fighter_needs100010319.php

signatory
02-09-2007, 10:03 AM
Saab's Gripen in talks with India defense companies on systems

09 Feb 2007 bbj.hu Saab AB, the Swedish maker of the Gripen fighter jet, is in talks with Indian defense companies to build systems, as it prepares to bid for a $9 billion fighter-jet order by the country's air force.

"We are talking to Indian defense and aerospace companies for manufacturing of avionics, propulsion and software," Tony Ogilvy, Gripen International director for India, said in an interview today. "The talks are at a very advanced stage." Saab, Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp. are trying to increase their investments in India's defense companies as they plan to compete for the 126 combat jets -- the largest such contest in 15 years, according to Boeing.

Saab is marketing the Gripen as a low-cost and reliable solution to the Indian air force. To win the award, Saab will have to beat offerings from both Boeing and Lockheed Martin, as well as Russia's MiG Corp. and France's Dassault Aviation SA.

"Gripen will cost the Indian government very significantly less than its nearest single engine competitor and a fraction of its twin-engine competitors," Ogilvy said at the Aero India show in Bangalore. He declined to elaborate. The Indian air force wants to buy the multi-role combat jets to replace aging Russian-made aircraft.

Preparation for the bids is in the final stages and will be called soon, A.K. Antony, India's defense minister said on February 7. Saab said in September it will enter into a 350 million-rand ($49 million) venture to make airplane parts with South Africa's state-owned Denel Ltd. Saab will own 20% of the venture, which will be established in South Africa, with Denel owning the rest, according to Kenth-Aake Joensson, Saab's executive vice president.

Saab, which is supplying the single-engine Gripens to South Africa's air force, agreed to invest and create jobs in Africa's largest economy in exchange for being awarded the contracts. Apart from the multi-role fighter jet contract, Saab wants to explore business opportunities to „maximize our engagement with India in land, sea and air business units,” Ogilvy said. „This jet contract is the start of a much larger involvement of Saab in India,” he said. Boeing Co., the second-biggest US military contractor after Lockheed Martin, today said it will bid to sell helicopters to the Indian government for the first time, attempting to break into a market dominated by Russia's state-owned OAO OPK Oboronprom. Political relations between the US and India are improving. Last year the US lifted a ban on nuclear exports to India, which had led the South Asian country to mostly buy planes from Russia. (Bloomberg) (http://www.bbj.hu/main/news_22449_saabs+gripen+in+talks+with+india+defense+companies+on+systems.html)

signatory
02-09-2007, 10:07 AM
Aero India News - visit http://www.gripen.com

Main page: (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Events/AeroIndia2007/)
http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Events/AeroIndia2007/

Picture diary: (http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Events/AeroIndia2007/Today.htm)
http://www.gripen.com/en/MediaRelations/Events/AeroIndia2007/Today.htm

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/41EB622C-24CF-4F1A-99C1-F2906A84F1E0/4069/CIMG4502.jpg
Gripen's display area is freaking huuuuuuge

http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/41EB622C-24CF-4F1A-99C1-F2906A84F1E0/4029/IMG_0926.jpg
Plus the three jets of course.

Maskirovka
02-09-2007, 10:16 AM
repost.....

signatory
02-09-2007, 10:26 AM
repost.....

Fantastic contribution.

Caprice
02-09-2007, 12:17 PM
Hope this isn´t a repost. :) It´s from a comparison between the three norwegian candidates.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4100/gripennyp7.jpg

More than 22000lb thrust and 138% fuel (~4150 liter), better avionics, SatCom and improved MAW etc. sounds good.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2124/gripennbyc3.jpg
Hope SwAF also will take these "N-modifications" aboard.

More info here (incl. the other norwegian contenders):
http://www.mil.no/start/article.jhtml?articleID=134566

Regards, C

Maskirovka
02-09-2007, 12:29 PM
Fantastic contribution.

I was posting this link http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/main.php.

Just to scroll up a bit and find out you had already posted it a week ago (offcourse) :)

(I did´nt mean your post was a repost. Mine was a repost, I edited it and wrote repost and meant mine own post)

Bert
02-09-2007, 12:33 PM
A fighter programme that is ahead of schedule...
To me that sounds a bit unusual, but I guess that´s a good thing. For both SAAB and Hungary.

It means SAAB has made too many jets and is now in a hurry to market them away.

Maskirovka
02-09-2007, 12:39 PM
It means SAAB has made too many jets and is now in a hurry to market them away.


Huh? The fighters sold abroad has been C and D models. These are basicly new built. The ones the Swedish airforce have ordered to many of are the A and B models. The A and B models are being slaughtered and only a few parts are being saved to build the new planes for Hungary/Czheck Republic. Basicly the entire body of the fighter has to be built from scratch along with many of the other gizmos and gadgets.

That is mine understanding of it...

signatory
02-09-2007, 09:34 PM
It means SAAB has made too many jets and is now in a hurry to market them away.


Incorrect.

Hungarian Gripen's are from a brand new production run. They initially planned on buying surplus 39A/B jets but with a new government they decided in 2003 to buy brand new 39C/D NATO jets and delay the delivery. It's a bonus for them to now receive more modern jets sooner than expected.

The Czech jets otoh is on a government lease taken from the Swedish production line. In 2008 they plan to launch a tender for the future Czech air force, either they buy more Gripen's or go with something else. This is the reason they got jets from the C/D line. Future prospects.

The South African jets come from their own production line too, and is also ahead of schedule. These jets are not even identical to the Swedish jets, I can point of dozens of small physical changes but internally it's 1000'ds and they also fly a later software version.

There's a large shortage of C/D jets and has never been a surplus.

signatory
02-09-2007, 09:37 PM
@ Caprice

Hey thanks man, good post.

Linking to the full pdf: Gripen N (http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00089/3_Gripen_Capability_89303a.pdf)

Caprice
02-10-2007, 10:40 AM
Thanks, Signatory!
What do you think about Gripens chance in Norway? I´m ambivalent, on one hand I would really like SAAB to get the deal, on the other I fear that the industry participation and more commonality (true or not)with other countries may weight over to LM side. That said; if there is more JSF budget overruns, or/and cuts in numbers ordered , who knows?

Regards C.

signatory
02-12-2007, 01:11 PM
Thanks, Signatory!
What do you think about Gripens chance in Norway? I´m ambivalent, on one hand I would really like SAAB to get the deal, on the other I fear that the industry participation and more commonality (true or not)with other countries may weight over to LM side. That said; if there is more JSF budget overruns, or/and cuts in numbers ordered , who knows?

Regards C.

I think Gripen has a good chance. The big difference is really should a few Norwegian companies get very rich or should a larger number of companies get to share the cake. LM has fewer industry partners in Norway but those (Such as Kongsberg, Volvo Aero) could earn a lot should the JSF program be a success (i.e thousands of jets) but that might not help Norwegian industry and other regions as a whole in such a broad was as Gripen might do. Saab has many dozens of partners and this is already even without calling in the Investor AB/Wallenberg group of partners.

Technology wise it shouldn't really matter, perhaps the JSF is a bit slow and that should worry me if I were to buy it as the sole jet of my air force. Interoperability... well lately Norway has been working more with Sweden than the US it would seem, and if we're going to cut costs by sharing a northern base, training and airspace protection then it would be nice to use the same logistical platform.

But.. who knows!

signatory
02-12-2007, 01:36 PM
I pulled out my calc.exe and worked out a few numbers that might be interesting. The F-35/EF numbers come from another place.

The A/B number is time in the air with afterburner.

GRIPEN NG Internal fuel ~6900 lbs
(1xF414)
~22500 lbs A/B Thrust @ 1,7 lb/lb.hr = ~0.180 = 11 min
~15000 lbs Mil Thrust @ 0,7 lb/lb.hr = ~0,657 = 40 min
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Internal + 2 x 1200 L External fuel ~11133 lbs
~22500 lbs A/B Thrust @ 1,7 lb/lb.hr = ~0.291 = ~17,5 min
~15000 lbs Mil Thrust @ 0,7 lb/lb.hr = ~1,060 = ~64 min
(Gripen CAP 90min example (http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3113/gripenrangeqj0.jpg))
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F-35 Internal Fuel ~18,000 lbs
(1 x F135-PW-100)
~43,000 lbs A/B thrust @ ~2.0 lb/lb.hr = ~0.2093 hr = ~12.6 min
~28,000 lbs Mil thrust @ ~0.7 lb/lb.hr = ~0.9184 hr = ~55.1 min

EF Typhoon internal fuel ~10,000 lbs
(2 x EJ200 engine)
~40,500 lbs A/B thrust @ ~1.7 lb/lb.hr = ~0.1452 hr = 8.7 min
~27,000 lbs Mil thrust @ ~0.78 lb/lb.hr = ~0.4748 hr= 28.5 min
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Conclusion: On internal fuel only, using afterburner the Gripen NG and F-35 is close but F-35 do win. Gripen is otoh a Mach 2 jet and will travel further and/or faster there. Typhoon is the worst.

In a Mil thrust condition the JSF has significantly better time with 55 min, followed by 40 min on Gripen NG and less than 29 minutes on the Eurofighter Typhoon. But Gripen NG and Typhoon is both supercruise jets (supersonic without A/B) so that number doesn't reveal that much. I'll try to find data for a specific speed and altitude some day...

Benke
02-12-2007, 03:42 PM
Interesting comparison, Signatory. It would be great to see the figures for the Rafale and Su-30MKII as well.

signatory
02-13-2007, 08:57 AM
@ Benke, I'll see what I can do.

Gripen opens up for Norwegian-Swedish Helicopter cooperation
[2007-02-13 14:00]

Saab AB and Heli-One AS in Norway have today signed a Memorandum of Understanding regarding the international helicopter support market. The possible future Norwegian procurement of the Gripen fighter aircraft has paved the way for a co-operation between Heli-One and Saab to capture future contracts for helicopter support in the Nordic countries.

This MoU is the latest example of an increased collaboration between Swedish and Norwegian industry. The two companies, Saab and Heli-One have already begun to explore mutual business opportunities. One possible approach is to promote the Heli-One Stavanger facilities in Norway as the preferred center for training, maintenance and logistic support of the NH90 helicopters for the Swedish Defense Forces.

"Saab Aerotech and Heli-One have participated in several discussions regarding more intensified collaboration and we are very pleased to now have this agreement in place", states Lars-Erik Wige, President of the Saab Aerotech.

"Since we started our discussions with the Norwegian authorities regarding the Gripen fighter, we have seen an enormous interest among Swedish and Norwegian companies, both in the military and the civil sector, resulting in huge potential for increased cooperation within Scandinavia." says Kjell Möller Saab Vice President and Managing Director for Saab Industrial Cooperation.

"Heli-One has a long standing record in providing training, maintenance and logistic support to both commercial and military helicopter operators worldwide. Swedish Defence Forces is already a major customer of Heli-One regarding support of their Super Puma helicopters. In order to capture new business opportunities from our Swedish customer as well as for other helicopter operators, we see this partnering with Saab as a major step", states Jens Kørte, Managing Director of Heli-One (Norway) AS.


Heli-One is a division within the CHC Helicopter Corporation Group and provides helicopter maintenance and logistic support for CHC´s fleet of helicopters and for civil and military operator´s world wide. Heli-One (Norway) AS is a company in the Heli-One group and is located in Stavanger, Norway.

Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defence to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customers´ changing needs.

For further information, please contact:
Gripen International:
Owe Wagermark, Gripen International Communications Director
Mobile tel: +46 734 18 18 24
Fax: +46 13 18 00 55
email: owe.wagermark@gripen.com

Heli-One:
Chris Flanagan, Director of Communications
CHC Helicopter Corporation
Phone: +1 604 279 2493
Fax: +1 604 232 8341

Saab Aerotech:
John Belanger, Vice-president Communications
Phone: +46 73 18 31 01
Fax: +46 13 18 48 74

www.saabgroup.com
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelations/Pressreleases/Pressrelease.htm?PressreleaseId=143665

Caprice
02-13-2007, 05:07 PM
Thanks for your comments Signatory! Let´s hope for the best.
While I´m at it; found some info about the demonstrator: :)

Gripen Demonstrator to fly next year.

Saab is leading a team of partners in the development and construction of a dramatically improved version of the JAS 39 Gripen fighter, with a demonstrator for the new version due to fly in 2008. A formal announcement of the demonstrator programmeáis expected within two to three months.
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Saab claims that the new aircraft will be able to perform a five-hour unrefuelled maritime reconnaissance mission or sustain a 90-minute CAP as far away as Scotland from Norwegian bases.
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The new engine and airframe modifications will fly on a demonstrator in 2008, jointly funded by the Swedish government, Saab, Ericsson, Volvo and GE. An active electronically scanned array radar will fly on the demonstrator in 2009. Other new avionics will be tested on ground rigs to ensure that the latest possible technology will be used. To reduce costs, Saab intends to separate mission avionics from flight-critical systems, so that non-certifiable software can be used for mission applications. Total development costs have not been stated. http://www4.janes.com/subscribe/jdw/doc_view.jsp?K2DocKey=/content1/janesdata/mags/jdw/history/jdw2007/jdw31859.htm@current&Prod_Name=JDW&QueryText=

Good to see that they are doing their best, but will it be enough?
Btw, interesting that GE is a part of this and norwegian Volvo Aero manufacture parts to JSF engine.

Regards C

signatory
02-14-2007, 05:25 AM
Thanks for your comments Signatory! Let´s hope for the best.
While I´m at it; found some info about the demonstrator: :)

Gripen Demonstrator to fly next year.
http://www4.janes.com/subscribe/jdw/doc_view.jsp?K2DocKey=/content1/janesdata/mags/jdw/history/jdw2007/jdw31859.htm@current&Prod_Name=JDW&QueryText=

Good to see that they are doing their best, but will it be enough?
Btw, interesting that GE is a part of this and norwegian Volvo Aero manufacture parts to JSF engine.

Regards C

Yeah GE has been a great supporter of the Gripen and the F414 engine in Super Hornet use RM12 derived parts for high bird strike survivability and so on.

They lobbied for Gripen in South Africa since the competing aircraft in that tender used P&W or Snecma engines. Engines make out a large part of the cost.. 48 jets to Norway would probably mean ~ 100 million USD worth of sales for GE so it's a good business decision to invest in a demo. :)

Speaking of (Super) hornet... I've been thinking what a great companion the Gripen could be to that jet, with shared logistical and weapons platform. Gripen being cheaper and has an edge in Air superiority while the Hornet can bring a larger payload to the table.

dobrodan
02-14-2007, 05:55 AM
Yeah GE has been a great supporter of the Gripen and the F414 engine in Super Hornet use RM12 derived parts for high bird strike survivability and so on.

They lobbied for Gripen in South Africa since the competing aircraft in that tender used P&W or Snecma engines. Engines make out a large part of the cost.. 48 jets to Norway would probably mean ~ 100 million USD worth of sales for GE so it's a good business decision to invest in a demo. :)

Speaking of (Super) hornet... I've been thinking what a great companion the Gripen could be to that jet, with shared logistical and weapons platform. Gripen being cheaper and has an edge in Air superiority while the Hornet can bring a larger payload to the table.

Somehow, I feel that the Gripen N should be renamed "Super Gripen", to clearly distance it from the "old" Gripen A/B/C/D

signatory
02-14-2007, 06:18 AM
Somehow, I feel that the Gripen N should be renamed "Super Gripen", to clearly distance it from the "old" Gripen A/B/C/D

Hehehe that's not a bad idea actually p-)

Thor
02-14-2007, 03:46 PM
Does the Gripen offered to India include AESA as the norwegian one?

signatory
02-15-2007, 12:47 AM
Does the Gripen offered to India include AESA as the norwegian one?

Yes..


Mr Ogilvy said Gripen JAS 39 offered a low-maintenance model with an assured life of 40 years. He said IAF had wanted fighters in the race to be upgraded to Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars and Gripen would ” on acceptance of RFP ” include the radars in the offer.

(If they receive a RFP)

Thor
02-15-2007, 12:53 AM
Ok, a very competitive offer then.

Skyman
02-16-2007, 02:32 AM
I believe that Gripen is ahead of the list in Thailand's fighter deal.

But first, We need to consider the arm embargo. If the Swedish government impose arm embargo on Thailand, the winner might be F-16. But if not, Gripen is the most possible candidate.

But according to what signatory tell me that they might not impose arm embargo on us. I believe Gripen will be selected. RTAF interest in arm package offerred by Saab, which include ERIEYES and weapons like RBS-15.

And in my opinion, I getting bore of F-16. It doesn't mean that the Falcon is bad. RTAF even fly 59 F-16s for more than 20 years without loss, and they alway good to us. But if you have 59 falcons in your inventory, it's time to get something new.

The decision on new fighter will be sometime in 2007, or after the democratic election in late 2007 or early 2008.

The solution might be like this, RTAF go for Gripen and launch MLU program on at least 1 sqn of F-16. All of work is to prepare the air force to buy F-35 when we are allowed to buy in around 2015 - 2020.

PS. the update is the military-hired government cancel the barter trade policy. Which mean, the new fighter will be paid in cash dollar instead of fresh chicken.

signatory
02-16-2007, 03:07 AM
I believe that Gripen is ahead of the list in Thailand's fighter deal.

But first, We need to consider the arm embargo. If the Swedish government impose arm embargo on Thailand, the winner might be F-16. But if not, Gripen is the most possible candidate.

But according to what signatory tell me that they might not impose arm embargo on us. I believe Gripen will be selected. RTAF interest in arm package offerred by Saab, which include ERIEYES and weapons like RBS-15.

And in my opinion, I getting bore of F-16. It doesn't mean that the Falcon is bad. RTAF even fly 59 F-16s for more than 20 years without loss, and they alway good to us. But if you have 59 falcons in your inventory, it's time to get something new.

The decision on new fighter will be sometime in 2007, or after the democratic election in late 2007 or early 2008.

The solution might be like this, RTAF go for Gripen and launch MLU program on at least 1 sqn of F-16. All of work is to prepare the air force to buy F-35 when we are allowed to buy in around 2015 - 2020.

PS. the update is the military-hired government cancel the barter trade policy. Which mean, the new fighter will be paid in cash dollar instead of fresh chicken.

Thanks for the update. Do you think Gripen is more favourable than Sukhois since they are more interoperable with the existing F-16's due to (if installed) the use of Link16 and can also work with Erieyes or another western awacs ?

I hope for a decison on Gripen after the election :) That would make it more politically safe in approving the sale.

Skyman
02-16-2007, 03:47 AM
Thanks for the update. Do you think Gripen is more favourable than Sukhois since they are more interoperable with the existing F-16's due to (if installed) the use of Link16 and can also work with Erieyes or another western awacs ?


I don't believe that our F-16 is installed with Link16. But the MLU program almost surely come after the new fighter program. If RTAF got ERIEYES, It would be more wise if they install the Link16 in the MLUed Falcon.

RTAF is NATO-standard air force. Flanker will surely incompatible with our system. We need to buy new weapon and ground support.

Flanker is good. No doubt about that. But we need to pay for more operating cost and equipment, and right now we don't have much money.

As far as I heard, Gripen is more favourable because the arm package and its low operating cost.



I hope for a decison on Gripen after the election :) That would make it more politically safe in approving the sale


Agree!!!!!

signatory
02-18-2007, 08:46 AM
Swedish Gripen upbeat on India's combat jet order (http://www.indiaenews.com/europe/20070218/39930.htm)

Swedish aviation major Saab is 'confident' of its Gripen fighter winning an Indian Air Force (IAF) order for 126 multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA), claiming its product has an 'overwhelming' advantage over the competition.

However, allegations that bribes were paid to facilitate the sale of the fighter to the Czech Republic and South Africa could cloud Saab's chances.

'The advantages the Gripen offers over its competitors are simply overwhelming,' said Owe Wagermark, communications director of Saab and its subsidiary Gripen International that manufactures the jet.

'The Gripen new generation fighter is the complete solution to the IAF's needs. It will meet or exceed every operational requirement of the IAF in all roles. It is an air-to-air fighter with BVR (beyond visual range) and WVR (within visual range) capabilities, as also air-to-surface missile launching and reconnaissance capabilities,' Wagermark told IANS at the company's headquarters here.

Noting that Saab was 'looking forward' to the IAF tender, he said: 'We are confident that India will opt for the Gripen.'

The IAF had in 2001 projected a requirement for 126 MRCAs to replace its ageing fleet of Soviet-era Mig-21 and MiG-23 fighters.

Seven aircraft are in the running for the order. They are the US F-16 and F-18, the MiG-35 (an updated version of the MiG-29 the IAF operates and which was previously in the running), the French Mirage 2000-V and Rafale, the Gripen, and the four-nation European Typhoon.

Except for the Mirage, Rafale and the Typhoon, the other contenders were showcased at the Aero India 2007 show at Bangalore Feb 7-11 and repeatedly took to the skies to demonstrate their capabilities. Indian Defence Minister A.K. Antony said in Bangalore Feb 7 the IAF tender would be floated 'at the earliest'.

Asked about the possible advantage the Gripen held over an aircraft like the F-16, Wagermark said: 'I cannot imagine the IAF, which intends to obtain the highest quality aircraft available in the market, opting for the rather obsolete F-16 over the state-of-the-art Gripen.'

US aerospace major Lockheed Martin, however, contests this, saying the F-16 has been constantly upgraded, that it is 'the most successful fighter jet in history' and that some 4,000 are flying with air forces worldwide.

'Moreover,' said Wagermark, 'Saab has pledged India absolute access to all our technology as well as its transfer to India and licence to manufacture the aircraft locally in due course.

'It is highly improbable that such concessions could be obtained from the US,' he added.

Wagermark was not exactly accurate in stating this, as F-18 manufacturer Boeing has already offered joint production in India if it wins the IAF order.

There is, however, a dark cloud looming over Saab's prospects in view of the bribery scandals and the investigations into them - but the company says it was not directly involved.

Swedish TV4's investigative team is scheduled to disclose Feb 20 in its 'Uppdrag Granskning' (Mission Enquiry) programme what it terms highly explosive new facts about the bribes allegedly paid out for securing the Czech and South African orders.

Said programme producer Sven Bergman: 'I cannot disclose any contents of our programme in advance. But let me assure you that it has nothing to do with any, past or future, India-Saab business. It concerns the marketing methods used by (Britain's) BAE Systems to secure the Czech order and influence the South African one.

'We will largely bring out the results of the enquiry carried out by the British Economic Investigative Department's Serious Fraud Service,' Bergman added.

BAE Systems markets the products of Saab and its subsidiary, Saab Bofors Dynamics. In 1999, Saab purchased the Celsius Group, the parent group of Bofors. In September 2000, United Defense Industries (UDI) purchased Bofors Weapon Systems from Saab, which retained the company's missile wing. Bofors was accused of corruption in the Indian Army purchase in the mid-1980s of 155 mm howitzers but the Indian Supreme Court threw out the charge.

'The (Czech and South African) sales campaigns were carried out by BAE Systems. Gripen International is a completely independent unit and has no ties whatsoever with BAE,' Adrian Stockwell, communications director for India of Gripen International, told IANS.

He spoke from Goa, where he was unwinding after a 'highly satisfying' performance at the Aero India show.

'Gripen International India is, in turn, an autonomous unit. We are extremely careful that nothing, repeat nothing, unethical will be resorted to for winning the Indian bid,' Stockwell maintained.

Joanna Sjolander, director of marketing communications for Gripen International, spoke in similar vein, also from Goa.

'We have determined that transparency will be total in all our dealings throughout. There is nothing to worry about,' he contended.

'The fact that the IAF boys are thrilled with the Gripen fills us with great joy, hope and realistic optimism. That is what we are celebrating in Goa and have almost decided to make it our base, here. After all we are going to be in India for a long time,' Sjolander maintained.

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Some errors in the article. Pretty much everything that is not in citation marks is either wrong or at least misleading. :roll:

Btw, since there's a TV report soon on the Czech deal it's worth remembering that they will talk about the first attempt to sell jets to them in 2002 when BAE led the marketing and was supported by Tony Blair on the ground. (Sounds familiar?)

The now actual lease of 14 jets is unrelated and is a Government-to-Government deal signed in June 2004.



• On October 31, 2003, the three-month period for development of feasibility studies was terminated and the bidders’ proposals were submitted:
o 7 countries presented their bids – Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Sweden and the USA.
o Turkey withdrew on 15 Oct 2003.
o By the decree No. 1050, dated 20 October 2003, Bids Review and Evaluation Commission was appointed. This nine-member joint commission included representatives of the Ministry of Defence, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Commerce and Industry, and Ministry of Finance..

• On November 30, 2003, the interdepartmental commission completed the Feasibility Studies’ assessment and, based on the set criteria, established bids’ order which was then presented to all government members by the Minister of Defence. The Commission recommended the bid submitted by the Kingdom of Sweden on the JAS-39 Gripen complex system as the most favourable. The bid on F-16 MLU aircraft by the Kingdom of Belgium placed second, bids submitted by Canada, Netherlands and the USA followed.

• On December 17, 2003, the Government of the Czech Republic decided the Swedish bid is the best one for the Armed Forces of the Czech Republic. Minister of Defence Miroslav Kostelka, Minister of Finance Bohuslav Sobotka, Minister of Industry and Trade Milan Urban and Minister of Foreign Affairs Cyril Svoboda were commissioned to negotiate procurement of fourteen aircraft exclusively with the Kingdom of Sweden.

http://www.army.cz/scripts/detail.php?id=6372

signatory
02-18-2007, 12:56 PM
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/E6ABC7BE-2B38-4CCB-90B7-C7D4F8BD531F/0/dk.gif

Gripen Likely To Receive Development Money From Denmark

"We are in negotiations with the Ministry of Defence and count on a deal during the first half of this year," says Manne Koerfer campaign leader for Gripen International to Børsens Nyhedstjeneste (BNT).

A concrete number is on the table for development work during 2006-2007, says Manne Koerfer without divulging the sum.

Source: Børsens Nyhedstjeneste (BNT). (http://borsen.dk/nyhed/103657/) (Danish)

Thor
02-18-2007, 09:22 PM
Thanks for the regular updates Signatory. Since you seem to be a bit of an aviation guru I would like to address a perhaps somewhat naive question to you.

I believe REMO for swedish gripens is scheduled around 2015.

But what about a step beyond that? How difficult and costly would it be to develop a new 5th generation airframe of similar size and proportions and incorporate existing Gripen technologies into it?

Maskirovka
02-18-2007, 09:30 PM
Thanks for the regular updates Signatory. Since you seem to be a bit of an aviation guru I would like to address a perhaps somewhat naive question to you.

I believe REMO for swedish gripens is scheduled around 2015.

But what about a step beyond that? How difficult and costly would it be to develop a new 5th generation airframe of similar size and proportions and incorporate existing Gripen technologies into it?

If you by REMO you mean MLU I think I have read that all swedish Gripen will undergo that an it will be at least Gripen-N/D standard plus all neat new gadgets will will have by 2015....

ren0312
02-19-2007, 07:40 AM
If you by REMO you mean MLU I think I have read that all swedish Gripen will undergo that an it will be at least Gripen-N/D standard plus all neat new gadgets will will have by 2015....

Or the air combat force is eliminated altogether due to political pressure from the left leaning parties like what happened in New Zealand, you really can not say..........................................................

signatory
02-19-2007, 09:45 AM
Thanks for the regular updates Signatory. Since you seem to be a bit of an aviation guru I would like to address a perhaps somewhat naive question to you.

I believe REMO for swedish gripens is scheduled around 2015.

But what about a step beyond that? How difficult and costly would it be to develop a new 5th generation airframe of similar size and proportions and incorporate existing Gripen technologies into it?

K... first I just want to mention that the global Gripen fleet get regular updates every 3 year, most of that is software and the odd circuit board.

In the SwAF the jets will be younger than previously expected, we'll have a all C/D fleet which means the oldest jet entered squadron duty 2004 and updated 2009, 2012, and then the bigger upgrade 2015.

A MLU is now going into ~2025 and there's a unnamed R&D program for this plus some ideas what to do with the engine (Volvo presented a RM12++).The 2015 package otoh will easily match and in some aspects (notably EWS/SEAD) outperform the F-35s that will come out at the same time. Like Maski´ said it's largely Gripen 'NG' tech.

A 5th Gen airframe I suppose you mean stealthier, internal weapons bay and so on. The technology needed for that has either already been demonstrated (SHARC/FILUR) or is currently in R&D projects. Work done on Saab's UAVs, the NEURON, VINNOVA grants and Gripen R&D all turn out possible solutions that could be used either on our own products or exported.

Volvo's studies on a LO nozzle for the RM12 led them to a position on the Neuron project, they also research on nanotech material that can better deal with IR signature around hot spots but also for radar reduction. So they get paid to build it for NEURON and when that thing is flying we'll know better if it's a candidate on MLU Gripen's or w/e.

To modify the exising Gripen to use internal bays is not possible. There's just not enough growth space. Gripen already has autonomous landing and a unmanned version (let's say for patrol missions) can be developed also thanks to Neuron as it will demonstrate Saabs autonomous collision-avoidance system.

We also pay money towards the ETAP (Germany, France, Spain, Italy, UK and Sweden) every year which basically is a initative to start new demonstrator projects, study what is needed for the future and how we 6 can cooperate with a goal to present concrete new air combat solutions 2020+

And yes... ^^^ then there's the ****ing politics to consider too.
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signatory
02-23-2007, 12:32 AM
Swedish Military Request JAS 39 GRIPEN to Afghanistan, Africa

Context - freely translated:

In a draft budget paper about to be handed over to the Government the Supreme commander express a wish to send Gripen jets to war zones.

First of all directed towards Afghanistan and/or a new African mission. It would be the first combat role for the SwAF since the Congo 1962.

For a number of reasons; one being aquired combat experience.

http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/isidor/images/News_images/83/232345_366_200.jpg

Swedish text: Link (http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/ekot/artikel.asp?Artikel=1218420)

Note: It has since 2006 been speculation on sending the Gripen's to Afghanistan or somewhere else in the last half of 2008 when the NBG readiness period is over as the Gripen rapid reaction (http://www.f21.mil.se/article.php?id=15986)unit '08 will stay in readiness for the entire year anyway.

signatory
02-26-2007, 04:28 AM
Thailand

Jet fighter purchase under review
WASSANA NANUAM

Air force chief Chalit Phukphasuk is reviewing the jet fighter procurement plan, saying he is now free to decide what is best for the air force.

The air force is considering several options, including F-16s from the US and JAS-39 Gripen jets from Sweden, to replace its ageing F-16 and F-5 jet fighters, he said. ACM Chalit said the air force had been under pressure to purchase Russian SU-30 fighters when the Thaksin government was in power.

"Now there is no pressure for us to go for the SU-30s," he said.

The air force's choice was likely to be dictated by its budget and its needs. The purchase would be undertaken in the next fiscal year.

"Each of the jet models is fine, but we have to pick one that best fits our requirements," ACM Chalit said.

It was reported that he was opposed to the large Russian aircraft from the start because they were too big, too fast and fuel hungry.

But he bowed to pressure to include them in the list for consideration following a report that Thaksin Shinawatra, then prime minister, would replace him if he failed to strike the deal with Moscow. Russia tried to sweeten the sale by offering the air force eight MI-17 helicopters for free and annual training for 30 Thai officers. The air force eventually set up a special panel to consider the Russian option. The deal was to have been made on a barter basis with Bangkok giving farm produce, mainly chicken, to Russia in return for the fighters.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/26Feb2007_news04.php

signatory
02-26-2007, 04:31 AM
Czech Republic - Sweden - The United Kingdom


Gripen evidence lacks clout: state attorney
By: Bradley Gardner, 26. 02. 2007, More by this author

New leads provided by the British police will likely lead to the reopening of the investigation of the allegedly corrupt attempts of the U.K.'s British Aerospace Systems (BAE) to sell jet fighters to the Czech Republic, the Supreme State Prosecutor’s Office said Feb. 23.

However, the office maintained its stance that despite the heated publicity generated by a Swedish public television exposé on the affair, no new compelling evidence has been presented.

Critics responded by saying they were unsure just how “concrete” the evidence needs to be before any action can be taken. Despite the documentary's corroboration of evidence that BAE used agents in an attempt at bribing Czech politicians into voting for the purchase of 24 Gripen fighters, Supreme State Prosecutor’s Office attorney Ivona Horská said the program had not provided the kind of specific evidence that could lead to an automatic reopening of the probe. “Whether or not this is enough evidence to produce a conviction is up to the police to decide; we just know that everything we are reporting is true and that it is only the tip of the iceberg,” Fredrik Laurin, one of the reporters who worked on the news report, told CBW.
More - link (http://www.cbw.cz/phprs/2007022625.html)

phasio
02-26-2007, 05:05 AM
that swedish documentary was crap... svt reporters who doesnt know a thing about planes, asking leading questions (to a mp member rofl), doing a documentery so one-sided it made me laugh... they could have "proved" anything with that show.

that beeing said, the "evidence" might get confirmed later on, but the documentary was still crap

signatory
03-02-2007, 07:33 AM
Not news. But once and for all I will explain the Hungarian deal from a relevant P.O.V.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7936/hungaryflag132c0a9yd0.png

The old Hungarian gov decided to pick up a surplus of Gripen A/B. But the new gov wanted NATO jets so in 2003 they signed a extension to the contract meaning they will buy C/D jets with deliverey 18 months later and some components will be lifted from the previously ordered A/B's.

Hungarian jets are built around the centre fuselage, RM12 and main stabilizer fin that is the same anyway. The jets are 100% C/D standard with the new Wings, Avionics, Aerial refueling, new APU, NATO compat etc. Production started October 2003. These jets do not cut into the Swedish Airforce production like the Czech lease'd jet do.

The Hungarian jets which also has EWS39 electronic warfare kit cost ~US$40 million each. The total contract includes flight training, new hangar, mission planning equipment etc, they are also part of the Swedish upgrade path and every 3 year they get a system upgrade.

The deal is HUF 210 Billion (US$1.09 Billion) which is ~US$190 million above the old 2001 contract of HUF 174 Billion. Offsets is 110%.

7 has been delivered so far, 6 months ahead of schedule.

Production photos is available at Gripen.hu (http://www.gripen.hu/gripenkepek.4.12412e7fb9a3560227fff2047.html)
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9291/hugripenco6.jpg

signatory
03-02-2007, 07:48 AM
Former Austrian Air Chief Ready To File Complaint At SVT

Context:

Former Air chief Josef Bernecker is preparing to take legal action against Swedish Television due to their report on alleged kick-backs between a BAE offshore company and the Austrian Count and lobbyist Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly.

Josef Bernecker (who is not accused of any wrongdoing) say he was both wrongfully citated and manipulated as to what the issue was actually about.

In the TV report he was heard as someone who had helped with after-sales support but according to Bernecker he never said on what deal. The questions had been added in post-edit. The Air chief claim he know nothing about any deals the Count might have had in the Czech Republic.

http://www.corren.se/archive/2007/3/2/j3jecs24ahkk8g0.xml

Resurrection
03-02-2007, 10:11 AM
How did Saab manage to get 6 months ahead of schedule? Seems to be a pretty rare occurence within the defence industry.

signatory
03-06-2007, 05:25 AM
Pilot error blamed for Gripen crash 2005
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5920/0866934401043qs1.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0866934401043qs1.jpg)
39184 before sleeping with the fishes.

Swedish Radio have a preliminary report on the JAS 39A crash in the Hanö bay June 1 2005 during a air combat exercise.

Basically: 90 second event. While avoiding enemy fire he piloted the jet to a steep angle without enough engine thrust, when the warning came on he decided to not increase power but instead maneuvered the plane to a new angle that put him into a inverted superstall.

At this point he should have reduced the thrust and allowed the plane to self-correct, instead now too late he increased power. This made the situation even worse. At 1400 m he escaped the jet and was picked up by a rescue helicopter. The jet was salvaged from the bottom of the sea.

The preliminary report again point to a problem with the Martin Baker Arm Restraint on the 39A which is installed to tighten arms to the body during a ejection. No design fault on this second crash of a SwAF 39A jet was found. Saab is asked to research a extended automated self-correct feature for inverted superstall.

Saab is due to make a statement during the day on a few silly media reports.

http://www.sr.se/Diverse/AppData/Isidor/files/83/3232.pdf

signatory
03-09-2007, 03:18 PM
Italian Airchief visit to the Swedish Luftvapnet (http://www.f7.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=36144)

Vincenzo Camporini and his team spent a two day visit to Sweden (March 7-8). First with a familiarization tour of the Gripen concept.

At F7 they got a small airshow with a retro J34 Hunter and JAS 39 Gripen.

Followed by transportation in a Argus Erieye AWE&C plane to the world unique G-force enabled Dynamic Flight Simulator in Linköping.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1998/20070308italienscfv0317zz1.jpg
He praised the SwAF and thought we should be proud over Luftvapnet (http://www.flygvapnet.mil.se/).

http://i18.*******.com/2iuztj7.jpg
DFS

signatory
03-09-2007, 03:22 PM
Side-Looking Airborn Radar for the SPK39

Plans are underway to add a SLAR to the SPK39 RECON POD. It will be a 2000 mm x 200 mm bump on the left side of the SPK39, with no moving parts it will be capable to search large bodies of water for things like small ships and oil spills with little maintenance required on the system.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4752/gripenslarspk39ax8.jpg
Illustration..

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1540/slarcoastguardxy8.jpg
A SLAR used by the coast guard today.

siberian tiger
03-09-2007, 08:03 PM
That`s the Portuguese Air Force C212-300 with Swedish technology for maritime surveilance.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6163/sv022003llz6.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sv022003llz6.jpg)

signatory
03-09-2007, 08:30 PM
That`s the Portuguese Air Force C212-300 with Swedish technology for maritime surveilance.


Yeah good spotted, it was the best pic of the system I could find in a short time. The Maritime system is developed by the Swedish Space Corporation and they used the Portugese pic themselves. p-)

The Swedish C212 look like this:

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4787/imagevaulthandler2a182ffv6.jpg
(being replaced with Bombardiers soon)

signatory
03-20-2007, 12:18 PM
OK I'm posting this in part cos it's the first pic of 39.827 and not because of Fuglesang... p-)

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5079/7jwyttwdxd3ojt9zwx2caa1uu4.jpg
European Space Agency (ESA) astronaut and Sweden's first man into space Christer Fuglesang flew JAS 39D Gripen over Linköping. the Baltic Sea, Gotland etc today (http://www.corren.se/archive/2007/3/20/j4gjy17mcfj2ryg.xml). Piloted by his friend from the ESA Astronaut candidate program Magnus Ljungdahl. Christer was selected and Magnus instead became a SAAB testpilot.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3522/7jwyttwdxd3ojt9zwwwdaf5ik1.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7jwyttwdxd3ojt9zwwwdaf5ik1.jpg)http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2696/3x59zdk0wsxx4drif5wdf34yb7.th.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3x59zdk0wsxx4drif5wdf34yb7.jpg)http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/66/200pxchristerfuglesangdgd1.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200pxchristerfuglesangdgd1.jpg)

signatory
03-23-2007, 11:43 AM
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/8329/flagsofdenmarkdb3da0em6.png

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5030/106451a2le7cc67ut7.jpg

Gripen International increase Danish sales organisation

Context:

23-03-2007 (http://borsen.dk/nyhed/106451/)


Gripen now experience greater and greater interests among Danish decision makers on our bid to replace F-16 jets. The combination of offsets, industrial agreements, technical upgrade prospects and the low operating and procurement costs for the jet is attractive.

This opinion is expressed so broadly that Gripen now value the possibility to win the Danish order as highly positive. - Johan Landin, Gripen Denmark
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http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/8793/flagseeaa81ffy8.png
Pilot error blamed for Gripen Crash 2005

What regular viewers of this thread already knew 2 weeks ago (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2350621&postcount=212).

Has now made it to Swedish media.

Source (http://www.e24.se/ego/0/http://www.e24.se/dynamiskt/ovrigindustri/did_14882043.asp)(swe):

Mangusta CBT
03-23-2007, 03:49 PM
(being replaced with Bombardiers soon)
New maritime patrol aircraft for Sweden? which?

signatory
03-23-2007, 04:03 PM
New maritime patrol aircraft for Sweden? which?

Yeah.. Bombardier Q300. Detailed info here in a pdf (http://www.kustbevakningen.se/documents/Flyg/SCG%20MSA%20brochure-rev-1.pdf)

signatory
04-01-2007, 05:47 AM
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8733/norrbottenfp7.jpg

The F21 Wing, remaining planned exercises for 2007 involving foreign elements. (http://www.f21.mil.se/attachments/f21_malbild_07.pdf)

(Couldn't find what the other Air wings plan to do)

May 7 - 11, Finland, Rovaniemi. (Division exercise with the Finnish Air Force)

May 28-31, Norway, Bodö (Division exercise with the Norwegian Air Force)

August (mid), United Kingdom (Division exercise with the Royal Air Force)

September, Sweden, Kallax. (Division exercise with the Russian Federation AF)

September 24 to October 4th, Sweden, Kallax (Nordic Air Meet with the United States of America, France, Finland, Switzerland, Norway) - Including NATO tankers.

November, Sweden. 'Nordic Resolution', the Nordic Battle Group final exercise.

Note ! : It's unknown if the UK and Russian exercises involve Gripen jets.

signatory
04-01-2007, 06:25 AM
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9769/gripenn2fu4.jpg

Another Presentation of the Gripen concept. (http://www.ntva.no/seminarer/m****/eddy-270207.pdf)

From February.

Bolovo
04-01-2007, 12:11 PM
Nice thread. p-)

The Gripen is a great fighter. It is the best choice for Brazil. It won competition F-X (new fighter for Brazilian Air Force), however the program was cancelled. :cantbeli:

Caprice
04-02-2007, 05:51 PM
For one reason or another... it will be present at LAAD, Rio de Janeiro this year (17-20 April).

/C.

signatory
04-06-2007, 06:35 AM
http://www.regeringen.se/img/logo_regeringskansliet.gif

Government to invest billions in upgrade of Gripen planes
Published: 6th April 2007 10:26 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/6923/


The government has said that it wants to upgrade 31 old Jas Gripen planes to bring them up to the same standard as later models. The cost of the project is estimated at 4.1 billion kronor ($577 million).

Defence Minister Mikael Odenberg sees a number of advantages with bringing the older planes up to date.

"Our air force system will have lower operational costs, since we will just have a single version. It will also reduce the total number of planes," he told Sveriges Radio.

The minister also added that all planes would be of a sufficient standard for use in international operations.

The Green Party fears that the planes will now be made available for use in Afghanistan.

"The defence minister has already gone out and said that we are going to send Jas planes to Afghanistan. So presumably some of these planes will be sent there and that is something we are very concerned about," defence spokesman Peter Rådberg told Sveriges Radio.

Paul O'Mahony (paul.omahony@thelocal.se/08 656 6513)

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The plan is old news but the final decision was held up due to the election.

The Parliament will be allowed to give their voice on it eventhough it does not mean any new expenditure outside the already agreed upon JAS Gripen Framework that regulates the costs of the fighter program between state and industry.

The opposition Social democrats has welcomed the plan in the past, this issue even first came up during their time in government. Eventually the fleet is supposed to be 100 C/D standard jets. And another 24 A/B jets stored away available for export.


- Vi är positiva till en modifiering av Jas som innebär sänkta kostnader på sikt, svarar socialdemokraternas politiska sekreterare i försvarsutskottet Emma Ahlén.

skinner the swede
04-06-2007, 07:33 AM
According to the Swedish newspaper SvD and N24 is Sweden going to produce a new type of Gripen-plane in the version E/F that will have newer and more modern futures.

http://www.e24.se/dynamiskt/verkstadsindustri/did_14863196.asp

signatory
04-06-2007, 07:39 AM
According to the Swedish newspaper SvD and N24 is Sweden going to produce a new type of Gripen-plane in the version E/F that will have newer and more modern futures.

http://www.e24.se/dynamiskt/verkstadsindustri/did_14863196.asp

It's just the very very old plans for the MLU Gripen that media is being stupid about :)

Bolovo
04-06-2007, 01:00 PM
Artwork

Brazilian Air Force - JAS-39C Gripen http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/9470/gripenjaguarkj3bj1.jpg

signatory
04-08-2007, 10:59 AM
@ Bolovo, cool :D I hope that will happen...

April 4 2007

SwAF in exercise with French Air Force

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3872/fransktdivutbyte1107fd3ab1.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/747/270307miragef1cretjas39pf5.jpg

Flygvapnet's southern base F17 1st Gripen Division had a exercise with French Air Force 1/33 Division in Reims during week 12-13.

It was in response to the French AF exercise at F17 during 2006.

6 x JAS 39 C/D Gripen with logistical support, 4 Mirage F1CR/pass formed the basis for the exchange focusing on recon and intelligence. But the Gripen jets were also involved in exchanges with St. Dizier Rafale F2-division and Mirage 2000-divisions from Cambrai and Dijon.

They also observed the French aerial refueling tactics which the SwAF plan to exercise more on in the future.

Later in the year the French Air force will again visit Sweden, this time at F21 during Nordic Air Meet.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6681/3bakdelarjas11bf972kn9.jpg
Gripen fans will notice that the EWS39 is installed with the jammer pod.

Source + more pics: Flygvapnet (http://www.f17.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=36573)

French Air Force: News article (http://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/base/breves/2007/mars/22_03_07_des_gripen_a_reims)

Article 2: (http://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/base/breves/2007/mars/27_03_07_des_suedois_a_l_heure_remoise)

signatory
04-10-2007, 04:12 PM
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Bird collision.

A JAS 39A jet from wing F21 hit a bird today, parts of the avionics suite was disabled. The pilot could land at Kallax airport but then had to eject the canopy in order to get out. The wheels were also destroyed during the emergency landing and had to be replaced before she could be towed away.

The pilot is ok.

http://www.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=36643

signatory
04-11-2007, 03:41 PM
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Flygvapnet to Stavanger

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1264/faarfulltilgang1large65ql8.jpg

The Swedish Air Force will bring JAS 39 Gripen for air display and static presentations to the Sola Airshow 2007, June 2-3.

The airshow (http://www.solaairshow.no/) is a 70-year anniversary and will also feature a joint flypast by at least three DC-3 planes from Scandinavian countries.

This was not originally on the SwAF airshow schedule.

Bolovo
04-15-2007, 06:58 PM
Question: Which is different between the PS-05/A and the PS-05/A-Mk3?

Thx! :)

signatory
04-15-2007, 07:27 PM
Question: Which is different between the PS-05/A and the PS-05/A-Mk3?

Thx! :)

Off the top of my head... Range is the same but more accurate and reliable in operation with electrical alignment in some elements, has a new much faster signal/data processor with more capabilities, even higher number of tracking simultaneous targets at faster refresh, supporting a long range bvr datalink to amraams, improved ECM support, a SAR mode.. (mk4 will have higher resolution) and other software solutions capable thanks to the faster system. It also makes it easier to add new features and missile support to the radar.

signatory
04-17-2007, 10:40 AM
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UPDATED 18/4

Norway decide on 300 Million (SEK/NOK? (US$40-45)) in development support to Gripen.

The contract was due to be signed over easter but is now delayed but all ready to be signed. According to the Swedish defense department it's a 4-year plan and Norway will spend 75 m annually. The money will be reinvested in Norway in the form of industrial contracts.

As mentioned a while back, Denmark is also close to finalising a deal with Gripen on a 200 million investment. But this is not a government-to-government issue.

Norway has signed 160 million NOK already with JSF this year and EADS will receive the same amount as Saab.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3581/gripenngfd8.jpg

Src (http://www.na24.no/politikk/article971672.ece):
Src2 (http://www.nyteknik.se/art/50144):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Flag_of_Sweden.svg/60px-Flag_of_Sweden.svg.png

Government propose 4100 million SEK (US$600m) extra on defense budget for Gripen upgrades and demonstrator projects.

Yes old news but now it's in writing too.

http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c6/08/05/04/eded22b5.pdf
http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c6/08/02/54/ab03ee76.pdf

Aude sapere
04-17-2007, 09:06 PM
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Bird collision.

A JAS 39A jet from wing F21 hit a bird today, parts of the avionics suite was disabled. The pilot could land at Kallax airport but then had to eject the canopy in order to get out. The wheels were also destroyed during the emergency landing and had to be replaced before she could be towed away.

The pilot is ok.

http://www.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=36643

Any idea what parts in the airplane that 'shut down' after the collision? I have a feeling that the engine wasn't running perfectly so to speak if the birds got sucked in there.

Abrahamsen
04-18-2007, 03:14 AM
http://www.northerner.com/norwegian-flag.gif

Flygvapnet to Stavanger

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1264/faarfulltilgang1large65ql8.jpg

The Swedish Air Force will bring JAS 39 Gripen for air display and static presentations to the Sola Airshow 2007, June 2-3.

The airshow (http://www.solaairshow.no/) is a 70-year anniversary and will also feature a joint flypast by at least three DC-3 planes from Scandinavian countries.

This was not originally on the SwAF airshow schedule.



I'll be there:)

Deftoner
04-18-2007, 03:20 AM
I'll be there:)

Unfortunatly the static that the public could sit in at AAD2006 was a mock-up :(

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/deftonesmark/AAD2006/mini-AAD0649.jpg

signatory
04-18-2007, 11:50 AM
Any idea what parts in the airplane that 'shut down' after the collision? I have a feeling that the engine wasn't running perfectly so to speak if the birds got sucked in there.


Don't know. Probably something electronic... As far as I know we've never had any incident with a bird getting sucked into a engine.. This incident sounds like it hit head on against canopy or against randome like an incident a few years ago.


Unfortunatly the static that the public could sit in at AAD2006 was a mock-up

I don't think the SwAF has a mockup with a 'real' cockpit, only a ugly old model. So it should be only real jets to Stavanger :)

kyjxxx
04-18-2007, 08:15 PM
great thread with lots of lovely pix of the Gripen :) btw, does anybody knows that if Gripen also has the short "side-arm controller" like the F-16 for high G-force combat maneuvers?

signatory
04-19-2007, 10:38 AM
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Gripen Crash


A Swedish air force Gripen jet from F21 crashed close to 3:42 pm CET today.

The incident happened near Vidsel air base during a exercise with the air defense regiment LV6.

Pilot is recovered and safe after ejection.

One report say it happened close to landing but no official word is out on this yet.

Src: http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=641066

http://www.mil.se/index.php?lang=S&c=news&id=36751

Aude sapere
04-19-2007, 10:54 AM
Collision with birds again? A lot of birds are moving this time of the year.

signatory
04-19-2007, 11:09 AM
Collision with birds again? A lot of birds are moving this time of the year.

That's not a bad guess.. the Vidsel base is deep in the forest too.. with now open waters (streams) next to it. it's pretty hard to crash a Gripen but we will have to wait and see what caused it. :|

'The ATC tower heard a bang then saw the jet crash.. then they saw the pilot walking with the chute under his arm'

SRC (http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/1.645325)

11 years of JAS 39 Gripen in the SwAF, ~90,000 flight hours:

1999: JAS39A Above lake Vänern, Air combat exercise. Vortex disruption by preceding jet. Too low altitude for recovery. No technical error
2005: JAS39A Above Hanö Bay, Air Combat exercise. superstall, Pilot error. No Technical error
2007: JAS39C Unknown

Nordmannen
04-19-2007, 11:53 AM
No offense, but these planes seems to go down every week.
Might want to fix some of this stuff before you open it up for export. All in all, Saab shows its incompetence once again.

signatory
04-19-2007, 11:55 AM
Nordmannen is incompetent at making intelligent posts.

Nordmannen
04-19-2007, 11:58 AM
Nordmannen is incompetent at making intelligent posts.
Did the truth hurt?

signatory
04-19-2007, 12:00 PM
Did the truth hurt?

The truth doesnt hurt because you didn't write anything truthful.

You're an idiot.

Nordmannen
04-19-2007, 12:03 PM
The truth doesnt hurt because you didn't write anything truthful.

You're an idiot.

Truth is that Saab should check the failure rate before opening these cardboard planes up for export. I feel sorry for Hungary and South Africa...

saigonsmuggler
04-19-2007, 12:04 PM
Collision with birds again? A lot of birds are moving this time of the year.
I think some airports have anti-bird mechanism, but still these unfortunate events still happen.

signatory
04-19-2007, 12:12 PM
Truth is that Saab should check the failure rate before opening these cardboard planes up for export. I feel sorry for Hungary and South Africa...

Troll.

Gripen is the most safe plane after Rafale. No one can beat the safety record of these two jets. You're just envious at Sweden. Now go hide under a bridge.

Nordmannen
04-19-2007, 12:23 PM
Troll.

Gripen is the most safe plane after Rafale. No one can beat the safety record of these two jets. You're just envious at Sweden. Now go hide under a bridge.

What's there to be envious of? The export of Gripen has been a failure from the start. Today Gripen has 2 minor buyers and 1 leaser, it has lost every other race as a next-gen fighter, in exercises it was shot down numerous times by older F-16's.

What good qualities does the Gripen have, besides being "safe"?