12 year old suicide bomber

[citizen-k]

Same place as last week - a 12 year old kid suicide bomber was caught a short while ago with explosive charges attached to his body.

The kid ran towards a group of soldiors who searched him and found the charge.

He was brought in for questioning in order to find out who sent him...

[AFG]

I think this was posted already, and somewhere between the 5 page or something it erupted into a flamewar that went on for a couple of pages :(

[S'13]

I think this was posted already, and somewhere between the 5 page or something it erupted into a flamewar that went on for a couple of pages :(

No, this is a new case (sadly), happend today...

[S'13]

IDF nabs young boy with bomb belt
By JPOST.COM STAFF


A young Palestinian boy wearing a suicide bomber belt was captured Wednesday afternoon by IDF troops near the Hawara roadblock near Nablus, the same place an 11-year-old boy was caught with a bomb last week.

According to media reports, the child ran in the direction of IDF soldiers apparently with the intention of exploding the belt. Soldiers stopped the child and discovered the explosives belt.

The area was shut down and sappers began to defuse the belt that was still on the boy's body.

Last week, Fatah Tanzim activists in Nablus attempted to use an 11-year-old boy to smuggle a bomb through an IDF roadblock on Monday, and tried to detonate the bomb when soldiers stopped him.

The men gave the boy a bag containing a seven-to-10 kilogram bomb stuffed with bolts. They promised him a large sum of money if he would carry it through the roadblock and hand it to a woman waiting on the other side.

Since 2001, more than 40 other minors who were involved in planning suicide bombings have been arrested by security forces. Since May 2001, 22 shootings and bombings were perpetrated by minors.

[Ichhabe]

Just saw that on the news 5 minutes ago. They filmed it, pretty scary I must say.

Sending children to do their dirty deeds. ****!!! There is no punishment hard enough EVER for these bastards.

...just have lack of words. :(

[cbreedon]

No matter what your politics are how can anyone support people who brainwash and murder 12 year old boys! When will some people wake up and realise that these people are evil. Just in case I am not clear I am talking about the PLO et Al.

[George W. Bush]

They filmed it, pretty scary I must say.

Who's they?

[MolliG]

BBC News (news.bbc.co.uk)

Israeli army arrests 'boy bomber'

The Israeli army says it has arrested a young Palestinian boy carrying a suicide bomb belt at a checkpoint between the West Bank and Israel.

The boy, thought to be in his mid-teens, was stopped at a crossing near the town of Nablus wearing the belt.

A spokeswoman said he had been running towards security forces, but stopped when they pointed their guns at him.

Israel has been on high alert since the militant group Hamas vowed to avenge its spiritual leader's death...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3565607.stm


Yahoo! News (news.yahoo.com)

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Palestinian youth Hussam Abdo stares at journalists as Israeli soldiers present him to the media at the Hawara checkpoint near the northern West Bank city of Nablus Wednesday March 24, 2004. Israel says Abdo approached the crowded checkpoint wearing a suicide bomb vest in what Israel said was an effort to kill soldiers there. Soldiers jumped behind concrete barricades and sent a yellow robot to hand scissors to the boy so he could cut off the vest. Sappers later detonated the bomb. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis

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Smoke rises at the checkpoint at the entrance to the Palestinian West Bank city of Nablus after an explosive belt that was found on the body of a Palestinian boy was blown-up by an Israeli bomb diffuser March 24, 2004. Israeli troops arrested the 14-year-old Palestinian would-be suicide bomber at a West Bank checkpoint before he could detonate his explosive belt, the army said. *******/Nir Elias

[AirZone]

scary **** :|

[FallenAngel]

twisted motherf*ckers.

How can ANYONE still believe that these people are still "freedom fighters" ? They intentionally go after innocent civilians, resent their own police forces, and indoctrinate children into believing the Israelis don't have a right to exist....now they are using children as their foot soldiers.

Shame on anyone who defends any of this by saying "But their lands are occupied."

[Elmo]

What would be a proper age to kill? When would this seize to be a scandal if only age is the issue?

To me a 12-year-old kid is a disaster, as well as any suicide bomber.

Why would a 12-year-old be more brainwashed than an 18-year-old?
I don't know what they told this kid but as an individual in a certain environment, barraged with "we good, they evil, must kill" I'd ask why is it a scandal if the kid is 12? Why is it less a scandal if he is 18? Coming of age and becoming independent, responsible, moral being cannot be purely determined by number of days spent here.

Now, obviously any 12-year-old is a child and it's wrong to put/let them do such things. But being indoctrinated into a cycle of violence it becomes problematic. Many people in this site believe in revenge, although usually different words are used to describe it. Why wouldn't a 12-year-old be allowed to do what he believes is revenging for his father for instance?
Where the brainwashing starts? Where this kids own will ends?

Do we condemn it only because according to our standards one must be 18 to be responsible for oneself. Must it be like that universally?

[cbreedon]

Do we condemn it only because according to our standards one must be 18 to be responsible for oneself. Must it be like that universally?

I condemn it all, but it seems more 'wrong' to use children. If that makes any sense.

A 12 year olds concept of right and wrong and what repercussions his action have are completely different as one gets older.

[StukaJr]

First of all, the motives behind this boy putting on explossive vest are unknown - he is still being quiestioned. If it's revenge - is it still not wrong and pointless? If this kid did so because of what he was taught in school - is it not brainwashing?


Coming of age and becoming independent, responsible, moral being cannot be purely determined by number of days spent here

This kid hasn't hit puberty... Anatomical changes, brain growth and development, chemical imbalances - makes adolescent a child... There is a reason why children act the way they do and not as aware of there actions or moral desissions.

It's disgusting that there are people who will use tragedy to carry out their goals, it's disgusting that people use religion to make martyrs out of human bombs, it's disgusting that loss in person's family may justify taking more lives inderectly connected to the attack.

[George W. Bush]

Are the Izzys going to give this kid to an Izzy foster home?

[citizen-k]

He said he got 100 shekels (~20$) and a promise to have *** with 72 virgins... :cantbeli:

[He219]

From Today's Pic's :

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[usa320]

Kid got lucky he wasnt shot dead on the spot...

I think this really shows the difference between the IDF and the Palestinian militants. Palestinian militants purposely target UNARMED children.

The IDF does everything they can possibly do to NOT kill a child, despite the fact he is covered ina bomb.

[Ichhabe]

Not was he only a kid, but also have developmental problems.
According his family he has the intelligence of a 12-year old.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3565607.stmSorry Russian American for using BBC as a source. I know you don't like it, but I hope you can find forgiveness in you heart.

Well do we know that terrorist have a totally lack of morale. But this can't be more low leveled than this.
But I'm sure the terrorist scum will prove me wrong and even try to top this.

[Vance]

Not was he only a kid, but also have developmental problems.
According his family he has the intelligence of a 12-year old.
And he's......12 years old..!

[MetalBoy]

Not was he only a kid, but also have developmental problems.
According his family he has the intelligence of a 12-year old.
And he's......12 years old..!
Get your facts straight.

A 16-year-old Palestinian with a suicide bomb vest strapped to his body was caught at a crowded West Bank checkpoint Wednesday, setting off a tense encounter with Israeli soldiers whom the army said he was sent to kill.

Learning disabled kids are know being exploited by Palestinian "freedom fighters". How much more evil can they get?

[MetalBoy]

Where is the fukking world diplomat's outcry now? Or has their rage for this week already been all used up in the condemning the killing of a terrorist?

I guess they're still too busy trying to get their panties out of a bunch to notice things like this.

[Sierra]

wow.
sad
:(

[Vance]

Not was he only a kid, but also have developmental problems.
According his family he has the intelligence of a 12-year old.
And he's......12 years old..!
Get your facts straight.

A 16-year-old Palestinian with a suicide bomb vest strapped to his body was caught at a crowded West Bank checkpoint Wednesday, setting off a tense encounter with Israeli soldiers whom the army said he was sent to kill.

Learning disabled kids are know being exploited by Palestinian "freedom fighters". How much more evil can they get?
Look at the damn title of this thread. Excuuuse me. :roll:

[vikingblade]

If this is how Hamas is operating, they dont even deserve a classification as a terrorist organization...these child recruiting scum are desperate and pitiful.

They expect the world to have sympathy for the Palastinian cause, and feel bad about the innocents killed in strikes from israel, while they send scared 12yr old boys to blow themselves up!?!?

I understand these people are poor and are trying to wage a war against a much more powerful military, but, if they are resorting to 12yr old suicide bombers.... It is time to call it a day, it is over, they will never, ever, ever, ever win. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Obviously, Allah is not helping them, and never will, because in their thirst for their cause, they have become very, very evil, and should be condemmed by every country in the world. Then wiped out. I dont give a **** about occupation, give it a fukin rest. There is no cause that justifies this. Hamas and the other extremist groups in Palastine need to be wiped out. Only then will Palastine and Israel be able to live in peace.

Why is the so called media not covering, discussing, and going over and over this act, like they did with the Yassin hit? Where is the outrage and condemming comments from every damn Europeon country about this act? I TRULY DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Something is very, very wrong.

[cut]

Not was he only a kid, but also have developmental problems.
According his family he has the intelligence of a 12-year old.
And he's......12 years old..!
Get your facts straight.

A 16-year-old Palestinian with a suicide bomb vest strapped to his body was caught at a crowded West Bank checkpoint Wednesday, setting off a tense encounter with Israeli soldiers whom the army said he was sent to kill.

Learning disabled kids are know being exploited by Palestinian "freedom fighters". How much more evil can they get?
Look at the damn title of this thread. Excuuuse me. :roll:

no-one knows his age for sure BBC said 14, and ITN were hugely skeptical about the whole thing, showing the israeli soldiers putting in front of cameras and not allowing him to say anything, and then walk back to the checkpoint and stand where he was before in a green coat so that the press could take more pictures of him. ITN were starting every sentence with "allegedly" or "according to the israelis" which they don't normally do.

[ariweiner]

Israel 'fabricated' child-bomber story
By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank

Thursday 25 March 2004, 15:38 Makka Time, 12:38 GMT

Israel tries to portray Palestinians as child killers

Palestinian leaders have accused Israel of fabricating a story about a 14-year-old Palestinian boy who planned to blow himself up.

The Israeli army said he was caught wearing an explosive belt at an army roadblock in the northern West Bank.

The boy, identified as Husam Abdu from Nablus, was shown on TV screens around the world, with an explosive belt strapped to his waist.

The Israeli army said the boy told interrogators that his dispatchers promised that he would have *** with 72 virgins in heaven soon after his death.

"We know for sure this is a fabricated story from A to Z. Would you believe that a 13 or 14-year old would agree to blow up himself in return for a hundred shekels which he would receive after his death?

"It seems to me that the Israelis are bad liars as well," said Yaqub Shahin, a director-general of the Palestinian Authority ministry of information.

Painting a 'terrorist' picture

In an interview with Aljazeera.net, Shahin accused Israel of seeking to justify slaughtering Palestinian children by spreading the false impression that they are used as human bombers.

"Their [Israel’s] goal is to besmirch Palestinian childhood so that when they slaughter the children, the world won’t feel sorry for them," he said.

Arab Knesset member Muhammad Baraka has also voiced "serious doubts" about the veracity of the Israeli narrative.

"I have very serious doubts about the whole story. I can't give the Israeli army the benefit of the doubt."

Israelis have killed 263 children under 14 in the Intifada

However, Baraka urged all parties to "keep children away from this sinister and bloody conflict.

"Using children as bombs is infinitely diabolical. It is totally inconsistent with all religious, moral and human values."

Fatah denial

The armed wing of Fatah, the Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, has denied any involvement in the incident, accusing Israel of "concocting the whole story for the purpose of justifying the killing of more Palestinian children."

The Israeli newspaper Yedeot Ahranot reported on Thursday that Abdu told Shin Beth interrogators that an anonymous person had promised him 100 shekels if he blew himself up in the midst of Israeli soldiers.

Samir Khiwairah, a Nablus journalist who personally knows the boy’s family, told Aljazeera.net that the boy’s mental capacity to distinguish things is very low.

"I don't completely rule out the possibility that some evil person gave him the explosive belt and told him he would become a hero ... but this is a very tiny possibility."

Khiwairah said the Israeli army had a history of "fabricating and concocting stories" for the purpose of vilifying the Palestinians and winning public relations points.

Similar story

A few weeks ago, another boy from Nablus, Muhammad Kuraan, made headlines when the Israeli army presented him to the media as a child who had been dispatched to blow himself up at an Israeli roadblock.

However, when the boy returned home, he reportedly told his family and relatives that the "Jews told me to do this or else they would kill me."

Aljazeera.net asked the Israeli army spokesman in Tel Aviv to explain why Abdu would accept 100 shekels to get blown up and what good the money could possibly do?

The army was also asked to explain why it had TV cameras ready at the roadblock more than two hours before the event.

Despite two hours of waiting, the army failed to provide an answer.

Child-killing

The controversy of using children in the Israeli-Palestinian strife underscores the brazen ugliness of the conflict.

According to human rights groups operating in the occupied territories, the Israeli army has killed hundreds of Palestinian children since the outbreak of the Palestinian Intifada more than three and a half years ago.

According to a spokeswoman for the East Jerusalem-based Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group (HRMG), the Israeli army and paramilitary Jewish settlers have killed 263 Palestinian children from age 0-14 and 236 minors from the age of 15-18 during the ongoing Intifada.

The total number of Palestinians killed by Israel since the outbreak of the Intifada is estimated at 2670.

The figures for the injured and maimed are believed to be in the thousands.

The number of Israelis killed by Palestinians during the same period is around 838, including soldiers, settlers and civilians.

Israel claims its army doesn't target Palestinian civilians deliberately but admits, rather grudgingly, that the killing is carried out knowingly.

However, human rights groups argue forcefully that killing knowingly is killing deliberately in the final analysis.

[UoUo]

If the palstinians said that!!! that have to be true... rofl rofl

****ing terroist.

Rantisi is next.

[/McH\]

Yeah and we also killed 500 palasinians in Jenin at "Defensive Shield" Operation

Yo gotta love the Palastinians Storys, In other words, This article is full of ****!

[UoUo]

One thing i don't understand...according to the muslims jews control the media ( rofl ) so how we let This story get poblished? rofl rofl

[Mr. Nielsen]

In the arab world the Israelis have zip credibility and vice verse. Nohing new in that.

At least this case seems more convincing than the one from last week.
In this present case the bomb arrangement seems to be visible on the boys back. Are there better pictures available?


Yeah and we also killed 500 palasinians in Jenin at "Defensive Shield" Operation

For the period of march-april 2002 the number is correct. Palestinian officials has allegedly claimed that there was 500 killed in Jenin alone, but I have never found a direct quote to substantiate that claim.

[/McH\]

Didnt understand much what you are claiming ( Sorry, My English... )

But here is some of the Accusitions Of the Palastinians in "Defencive Shield", And what really happened:


Accusation: Israel soldiers massacred hundreds of people in Jenin and other locations and many innocent civilians were killed because they got in the way. In addition the army caused unnecessary damage to property and showed no respect for the people living there.

Rebuttal:The Jenin massacre is a total fiction. No such thing ever happened. It was propaganda designed to bring world pressure to bear on Israel. No human rights groups, or journalists that toured Jenin after the battle were able to find evidence of anything other than a fierce battle. Indeed UNRWA concluded that no massacre had taken place. The Israelis say that 52 Palestinians were killed in Jenin. The official Palestinian figure is 56. In either case that is a long way from a massacre. 23 Israeli soldiers were killed in the town, which makes the whole thing sound more like a battle.

Many accusations against Israel have been reported as fact in the international media. These have been later proved to be false. No massacre took place. No massive abuses of human rights. The Palestinians authorities conspired in perpetuating this false propaganda. For example on April 8th 2002 the Army contacted the Palestinian authorities in the area, including the PA Ministry of Health and the Red Crescent, to facilitate the removal and burial of the bodies from the Jenin battles. The IDF guaranteed the safe passage and protection of the medical personnel. However there was no one prepared to remove and bury the bodies preferring instead to leave the bodies in place so that they might serve as anti-Israel propaganda. As a result when journalists and human rights activists entered Jenin on April 14th they commented widely on the stench of human bodies creating an impression of a massacre and hundreds of unburied bodies. In fact there was a much smaller number of dead in the city, almost all of which were killed with arms in their hands.

There was significant property damage in Jenin though not as much as the propaganda suggested. Only 95 out of more than 1000 houses were destroyed. Even where houses were destroyed there is more to it than meets the eye. In an April 14th 2002 interview with CNN, Foreign Minister Shimon Peres explained that most of the destroyed homes were ****y-trapped with explosives. As a result the only way for the soldiers to proceed safely was to destroy the buildings themselves. These were not homes belonging to innocent people, wantonly destroyed by a vicious army. Innocent people do not wire their homes with explosives. People wiring their homes with explosives do not expect to return to those homes.

Thirty Israeli soldiers died in "Operation Defensive Shield" and many more were injured. The reason this figure was so high is that the Israeli Army were trying to minimise civilian casualties, even where doing so put their own soldiers at risk. In a number of cases people who were appearing to surrender were in fact wired with explosives and aimed to kill as many soldiers as possible. It would be as effective, and much safer for the army to simply bomb the refugee camps and terrorist bases in order to destroy the infrastructure, much as was done in Afghanistan. However this form of warfare, whilst much safer for the army creates much higher civilian casualties. Instead the IDF sent in infantry soldiers who searched house to house to root out terrorists from among a populace. The Palestinian casualties were therefore minimised and as a result most of those killed were armed terrorists and not innocent civilians.

Far from having no respect for the Palestinians, the soldiers' behaviour in this operation was exemplary. Israel was rightly proud of the moral conduct of the reservists. There are dozens of stories of soldiers who were stationed in homes in the refugee camps and who, before withdrawing made sure to clean the place and wash the floors. In several cases the soldiers themselves took up a personal collection to compensate the families for damage or inconvenience.


http://www.wujs.org.il/activist/features/campaigns/operation_defensive_shield.shtml

[Mr. Nielsen]

Didnt understand much what you are claiming ( Sorry, My English... )

But here is some of the Accusitions Of the Palastinians in "Defencive Shield", And what really happened:

So far as I know. No Palestinian official has said that 500 were killed in Jenin. The website you mention cannot document it either.

In fact as the website says, about 50 Palestinians were killed in Jenin. But it does not say about half of them were civilians. Some people may of course say that, those 25 might constitute a massacre. But that depends on how you define a massacre.

But I was not going to start a major discussion. It's just that I have been for a quote from a high ranking palestinians saying that 500 were killed in Jenin, without finding it.

To return to the threads topic. The IDF webside says it has the video from the incident on their webside but it dosn't seem to be there.

http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/032404-3.stm

[ariweiner]

The above report posted by MCH is fallacious in the extreme. For instance take this quote.
Indeed UNRWA concluded that no massacre had taken place. This was due to the fact that the UN was denied access to the Jenin refugee camp by Israel, something that is extremely telling.

See here (http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/s639418.htm) and here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1937387.stm)

[UoUo]

Didnt understand much what you are claiming ( Sorry, My English... )

But here is some of the Accusitions Of the Palastinians in "Defencive Shield", And what really happened:

So far as I know. No Palestinian official has said that 500 were killed in Jenin. The website you mention cannot document it either.

In fact as the website says, about 50 Palestinians were killed in Jenin. But it does not say about half of them were civilians. Some people may of course say that, those 25 might constitute a massacre. But that depends on how you define a massacre.

But I was not going to start a major discussion. It's just that I have been for a quote from a high ranking palestinians saying that 500 were killed in Jenin, without finding it.

To return to the threads topic. The IDF webside says it has the video from the incident on their webside but it dosn't seem to be there.

http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/032404-3.stm

Try this: http://www.idf.il/newsite/hebrew/2004/march/0324-5.stm

You don't have to know hebrew to get how to see the video.

[IDFM203]

Ok I will keep this short ;)

To Mr Nielsen..

Besides all the written articles from alot of sources on the outrages and false palastinian claims, I saw seab arakat(sp?) and a few others on cnn making those claims.

To ariweiner

I don’t even care to dispute your ridicules articles.....all that interests me now before I perhaps engage with you in the future is your name....you have a very Jewish sounding name.....care to explain?


Lastly on this whole subject of the child homicde bomber and the palastinians indoctrination of a lot of their kids...well I already went over it before in greater detail so I will simply end this post with a line from my sig (when we had sigs)

“Peace can only come when the Arabs learn to love their own children more then they hate ours” (http://www.israel-wat.com/pics1_eng.htm#a2)






Shalom :D

[ariweiner]

you have a very Jewish sounding name.....care to explain?I'm of Jewish origin though I'm a Muslim and that is not my real name. Shalom.

On a side note, the AP is reporting that the age of the alleged suicide bomber is 16. I have a very difficult time believing that the Palestinians supposedly sent him due to the whole "72 martyrs" talk. No Muslim that I have ever known would use such talk to convince people to kill themselves. On the other hand, I have heard this on plenty of Israeli propaganda websites...something gives...

[/McH\]

The above report posted by MCH is fallacious in the extreme. For instance take this quote.
Indeed UNRWA concluded that no massacre had taken place. This was due to the fact that the UN was denied access to the Jenin refugee camp by Israel, something that is extremely telling.

See here (http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/s639418.htm) and here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1937387.stm)

From Same link:


Accusation: The Israelis prevented a UN fact finding mission to Jenin, this clearly shows they have something to hide.

Rebuttal: Israel did not oppose a UN fact-finding mission to Jenin. She merely sought to ensure that the terms and aims of the mission were fair. Among Israeli objections to the initial proposal of the mission was that the members were not nominated in co-ordination with Israel as had been promised. Also conflicting information was given as to the parameters of the mission. Israel contended that among the representatives there should not only be human rights experts, but also experts in terrorism and military operations. Israel doesn't deny that suffering occurred in Jenin. The issue that is under contention is why that occurred. Though protracted negotiations occurred between the UN and Israel, no agreement was reached under which Israel could be confident of fair treatment. Israel has good reason to fear that they might not be treated fairly by the UN given the constant and disproportionate criticism it receives. For example on Tuesday May 7th 2002 The UN passed a resolution condemning Israel's West Bank offensive, only hours after a suicide bomber killed 15 civilians inside the green line. No criticism was made against this attack. The UN Human Rights Commission even passed a resolution a few weeks earlier that advocates the use of "all available means including armed struggle" to establish a Palestinian state. Nonetheless Israel wanted the mission to take place in order to expose the myth of the Jenin massacre as the blood libel that it is. Kofi Anan, the Secretary General of the UN, announced on May 1st 2002 his intention to abandon the fact-finding mission due to a lack of Israeli co-operation. However perhaps the real reason was that by this point the true number of casualties had emerged leaving the UN with nothing to investigate.



And **** the UN, I hate this Hypocrite Organization

[TALOS]

Israel 'fabricated' child-bomber story
By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank

Thursday 25 March 2004, 15:38 Makka Time, 12:38 GMT

Israel tries to portray Palestinians as child killers

Palestinian leaders have accused Israel of fabricating a story about a 14-year-old Palestinian boy who planned to blow himself up.

The Israeli army said he was caught wearing an explosive belt at an army roadblock in the northern West Bank.

The boy, identified as Husam Abdu from Nablus, was shown on TV screens around the world, with an explosive belt strapped to his waist.

The Israeli army said the boy told interrogators that his dispatchers promised that he would have *** with 72 virgins in heaven soon after his death.

"We know for sure this is a fabricated story from A to Z. Would you believe that a 13 or 14-year old would agree to blow up himself in return for a hundred shekels which he would receive after his death?

"It seems to me that the Israelis are bad liars as well," said Yaqub Shahin, a director-general of the Palestinian Authority ministry of information.

Painting a 'terrorist' picture

In an interview with Aljazeera.net, Shahin accused Israel of seeking to justify slaughtering Palestinian children by spreading the false impression that they are used as human bombers.

"Their [Israel’s] goal is to besmirch Palestinian childhood so that when they slaughter the children, the world won’t feel sorry for them," he said.

Arab Knesset member Muhammad Baraka has also voiced "serious doubts" about the veracity of the Israeli narrative.

"I have very serious doubts about the whole story. I can't give the Israeli army the benefit of the doubt."

Israelis have killed 263 children under 14 in the Intifada

However, Baraka urged all parties to "keep children away from this sinister and bloody conflict.

"Using children as bombs is infinitely diabolical. It is totally inconsistent with all religious, moral and human values."

Fatah denial

The armed wing of Fatah, the Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, has denied any involvement in the incident, accusing Israel of "concocting the whole story for the purpose of justifying the killing of more Palestinian children."

The Israeli newspaper Yedeot Ahranot reported on Thursday that Abdu told Shin Beth interrogators that an anonymous person had promised him 100 shekels if he blew himself up in the midst of Israeli soldiers.

Samir Khiwairah, a Nablus journalist who personally knows the boy’s family, told Aljazeera.net that the boy’s mental capacity to distinguish things is very low.

"I don't completely rule out the possibility that some evil person gave him the explosive belt and told him he would become a hero ... but this is a very tiny possibility."

Khiwairah said the Israeli army had a history of "fabricating and concocting stories" for the purpose of vilifying the Palestinians and winning public relations points.

Similar story

A few weeks ago, another boy from Nablus, Muhammad Kuraan, made headlines when the Israeli army presented him to the media as a child who had been dispatched to blow himself up at an Israeli roadblock.

However, when the boy returned home, he reportedly told his family and relatives that the "Jews told me to do this or else they would kill me."

Aljazeera.net asked the Israeli army spokesman in Tel Aviv to explain why Abdu would accept 100 shekels to get blown up and what good the money could possibly do?

The army was also asked to explain why it had TV cameras ready at the roadblock more than two hours before the event.

Despite two hours of waiting, the army failed to provide an answer.

Child-killing

The controversy of using children in the Israeli-Palestinian strife underscores the brazen ugliness of the conflict.

According to human rights groups operating in the occupied territories, the Israeli army has killed hundreds of Palestinian children since the outbreak of the Palestinian Intifada more than three and a half years ago.

According to a spokeswoman for the East Jerusalem-based Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group (HRMG), the Israeli army and paramilitary Jewish settlers have killed 263 Palestinian children from age 0-14 and 236 minors from the age of 15-18 during the ongoing Intifada.

The total number of Palestinians killed by Israel since the outbreak of the Intifada is estimated at 2670.

The figures for the injured and maimed are believed to be in the thousands.

The number of Israelis killed by Palestinians during the same period is around 838, including soldiers, settlers and civilians.

Israel claims its army doesn't target Palestinian civilians deliberately but admits, rather grudgingly, that the killing is carried out knowingly.

However, human rights groups argue forcefully that killing knowingly is killing deliberately in the final analysis.

And I suppose all the photos of the children flocked around the pal terros while they fight with IDF was made up to right :roll:
good lord, these are terrorist scum who regularly engage in battle with IDF while bringing their children to the front line where they KNOW that they stand a huge chance of being hit. Like we trust anything they say. :cantbeli:

[HELEX]

Well if someone will ever offer me to be a suicide Bomber I will say I want the virgins before I do it.... :cantbeli:

[ariweiner]

And I suppose all the photos of the children flocked around the pal terros while they fight with IDF was made up to right Wrong, but the point is, are they being forced to?

good lord, these are terrorist scum who regularly engage in battle with IDFLets get this straight. Terrorists are those who deliberately kill civilians or dont take proper precautions to ensure civilian safety during operations.
while bringing their children to the front line where they KNOW that they stand a huge chance of being hit. Interesting perspective. Of course that is somewhat of a ridiculous statement considering that Israelis are going into Palestinian homes and that they are defending themselves in their homes and land. Where else would the children be? It is the IDF and Israel that choses to kill children. Look at ANY Human Rights organizations on Israel including B't Selem and see what they have to say about Israeli soldiers deliberately targetting children despite no threat or danger to themselves.


Well if someone will ever offer me to be a suicide Bomber I will say I want the virgins before I do it..That's because you are a westerner speaking from western perspective and thats exactly my point. Telling someone that he's gonna get 72 virgins if he does a suicide bombing would only be something that a westerner or Israeli would say. Go look at any of the extremist Jihadi sites listed by Haganah.us and others. None of them mentions 72 virgins as a primary motive of Jihad.

[IDFM203]

I'm of Jewish origin though I'm a Muslim and that is not my real name. Shalom. Well Salem or shalom…you get both ;)

You have me honestly intrigued,,, ,can you say a bit more about your background?…I ask in a honest manner.

so its not your real name...they why did you choose this as your screenname?




On a side note, the AP is reporting that the age of the alleged suicide bomber is 16. I have a very difficult time believing that the Palestinians supposedly sent him due to the whole "72 martyrs" talk. No Muslim that I have ever known would use such talk to convince people to kill themselves. On the other hand, I have heard this on plenty of Israeli propaganda websites...something gives... wow so I guess we made up the whole 72 virgin excuse they a lot of them have…its another ZOG conspiracy ;) rofl rofl

I mean with a paragraph like that its no use doing any research….I guess you have concluded that all of it is simply made up by us.

Typical lame response :roll:



Wrong, but the point is, are they being forced to? no they are being indoctrinated by their society around them for years to never accept a Jewish state on any border lines on what they consider to be Muslim only land no matter what Israel does or doesn’t do.

Then with the 72 virgin thing, well its no wonder they are lining up.


Interesting perspective. Of course that is somewhat of a ridiculous statement considering that Israelis are going into Palestinian homes and that they are defending themselves in their homes and land. wrong!! Its more like going into some homes to search for weapons or bomb workshops or to go after those that have murdered or have planned those murders that for the most part purposely target and kill civilians.


Where else would the children be? It is the IDF and Israel that choses to kill children. Look at ANY Human Rights organizations on Israel including B't Selem and see what they have to say about Israeli soldiers deliberately targetting children despite no threat or danger to themselves. bull****!!…..if Israel was always deliberately targeting children, there wouldn’t be any Palestinian children left..

Oh and if that is that case, I guess they must be so sacred of being shot that is why they jump on tanks on a daily basis and that is why they by the hundreds demonstrate daily in front of Israeli soldiers.

Of course the IDF has some bad apples, as does everyone, but in general for the most part we never purposely target children, I know I served as a combat soldier in the IDF.

Those children that die are indeed tragic but a lot of them purposely put themselves in harms way in war zone and they stand next to Palestinian gunman so when Israel responds to those gun man they sometimes get hit.

Here is one pics of many that I have posted and that exist of what hapnns all the time..

http://www.israel-wat.com/abuse.jpg

Another point is that most in Israeli society do NOT celebrate the loss of a Palestinians innocents life as they the palestinians openly celebrate the loss of innocent Israeli lives that they mostly and purposely target.

Btw on the issue of B't Selem …something that always had me curious…do the Palestinians have any such introspective oraganisations like them and peace now?? I am talking about ones that are openly critical of their own society and terrorists and they are readily read and accessed by most Palestinians?

Just curious?

Shalom/Salem :D

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"If the Palestinians/Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"!! (Or to put it more bluntly..” if the military capabilities of Israel and the palestinians/Arabs were reversed, all Israelis would be killed in a matter of 24 hours or less”)

“Peace can only come when the Arabs learn to love their own children more then they hate ours” (http://www.israel-wat.com/pics1_eng.htm#a2)

[Mr. Nielsen]

Try this: http://www.idf.il/newsite/hebrew/2004/march/0324-5.stm

You don't have to know hebrew to get how to see the video.

Thanks.

[/McH\]

Wrong, but the point is, are they being forced to?


At this age you still dont recognize between wrong and right, sending a Children for suicide bombing is an exploitation of the child.


Lets get this straight. Terrorists are those who deliberately kill civilians or dont take proper precautions to ensure civilian safety during operations.

Same Organizations who attack the IDF also send Suicide Bombers to murder Civilianz, According to what you have just said, They are 100% Terrorists. You said it yourself...



Interesting perspective. Of course that is somewhat of a ridiculous statement considering that Israelis are going into Palestinian homes and that they are defending themselves in their homes and land. Where else would the children be? It is the IDF and Israel that choses to kill children. Look at ANY Human Rights organizations on Israel including B't Selem and see what they have to say about Israeli soldiers deliberately targetting children despite no threat or danger to themselves.

Thats Lots of Bull****, IDF do as best as he can not hurting Innocent People, How do you explain that the IDF didnt kill the Children today ON SIGHT??

But If IDF have an Infromation of HAMAS member who is going to send tommorow a Suicide bomber and Kill 20 Israelis, We prefer to Kill him and the children next to him instead 20 deads at our side. ( Also its a fact that Senior Members of Those organization always Walk around with Kids And women around them, so if we hit them, the Kids will get hurt too )