ECU (Elite Combat Uniform) with integrated Ion Emitter

[Guy Cramer]

HyperStealth's New ECU (Elite Combat Uniform) with integrated Ion Emitter

http://www.hyperstealth.com/ECU/index.html

[HoboWithAK]

Ions of what?

[Guy Cramer]

Ions of what?

...Air ion formation begins when enough energy acts on a gaseous molecule to eject an electron. Most of this energy comes from radioactive substances in Earth's crust and some from the shearing forces of water droplets in waterfalls (Lenard effect) or the friction which develops when great volumes of air move rapidly over a land mass (for example, the foehn, sharav and Santa Anna winds) or from cosmic rays. The displaced electron attaches itself to an adjacent molecule which becomes a negative ion, the original molecule then becoming a positive ions. Molecular collisions transfer the charge, so that positive charges come to reside on molecules with the lowest
ionisation potential, while electrons are attracted to the species of greatest stability. Next, small numbers of molecules of water vapour, hydrogen and oxygen cluster about the ions to form small air ions. In normal pollutant free air over land, there are 1500 to 4000 ions/cm3. But negative ions are more mobile and Earth's surface has a negative charge, so negative ions are repelled from the Earth's surface. Thus the normal ratio of positive to negative ions is 1.2 to 1... AIR IONS AND HEALTH
by ALBERT P KRUGER AND DAVID S SOBEL

[Redguy]

^ Why would you want ions emmited?

[Guy Cramer]

^ Why would you want ions emmited?

To keep soldiers alert.

[HoboWithAK]

So basically it is creating ions of common substances in the atmosphere around the soldier? Am I reading that right? You made it sound like the thing is actually giving off ions.

[Guy Cramer]

The device creates a reaction that decomposes water electrically in the air surrounding the device. The decomposed water gives off hydrate ions. Simultaneously, a coupling reaction of hydrate ions and water create hydroxyl ions to form a continuous stream of negative ions. The water vapor in the air allows the device to produce negative ions. The device performs satisfactorily in conditions as low as 20% humidity.

[Kerpan]

The device creates a reaction that decomposes water electrically in the air surrounding the device. The decomposed water gives off hydrate ions. Simultaneously, a coupling reaction of hydrate ions and water create hydroxyl ions to form a continuous stream of negative ions. The water vapor in the air allows the device to produce negative ions. The device performs satisfactorily in conditions as low as 20% humidity.
Sorry, with the modern lack of attention span i didnt read the artcile or the longer posts before mine but in a summed up version, the ions do what?

[moughoun]

excuse me for my blunt Irish take on this.....but bollock's

[Guy Cramer]

excuse me for my blunt Irish take on this.....but bollock's

Which issue are you being Irish about:
Ions being produced without a power source
or
the fact that Ions can increase alertness?

[moughoun]

Which issue are you being Irish about:
Ions being produced without a power source
or
the fact that Ions can increase alertness?

what is the substance being produced to increse "alertness"?.....because this sound's fishy to me:|

[Guy Cramer]

Negative ions - basically an electrical imbalance of small negatively charged particles in the air, you typically inhale a few thousand positive and negative ions with every breath. Our device increases the negative (beneficial) ions in the surrounding air:

FAA Negative Ion Study

A study conducted by Bruce L. Rosenberg of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)(ref) confirmed that flight control operators overwhelmingly experienced the same symptoms currently being reported by VDT (Video Display Terminals) operators. Air traffic control operators, like VDT operators, are exposed to cathode ray tubes (CRTs) in the radar control centers around the country. Mr. Rosenberg endeavored to discover if the incident of stress, fatigue, and skin irritation, etc. could, indeed, be attributed to the excessive, self-induced ion imbalance produced by the equipment and other factors in flight control centers. His findings did, in fact, confirm previous isolated studies and resulted in his recommendation to regulate ion levels, particularly negative ions, in all flight control centers. He further recommended negative ion levels in atmospheres should not be allowed to drop below 500 ions per cubic centimeter of air and that this threshold standard should also be applied to commercial aircraft compartments. "A Study of Atmospheric Ionization," Bruce L. Rosenberg. National Aviation Facilities Experimental Center (Federal Aviation Administration). Atlantic City, New Jersey (May 1972).

[Guy Cramer]

Here is a recent paper (easy reading) on POSITIVE ION POISONING from G. S. Rahi the Assistant Professor of Physical Science Fayetteville State University
http://faculty.uncfsu.edu/grahi/Positive%20Ion%20Poisoning.doc

[Kerpan]

Here is a recent paper (easy reading) on POSITIVE ION POISONING from G. S. Rahi the Assistant Professor of Physical Science Fayetteville State University
http://faculty.uncfsu.edu/grahi/Positive%20Ion%20Poisoning.doc

ok, that makes a ****load of sense now! thanx

[Zvucni Efekti]

...haha.

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[akd]

Let me guess: $29.99?

[Guy Cramer]

Let me guess: $29.99?

$0 - there is no extra charge for this addition. We want to offer a feature in our uniforms that you can't get from other companies.

[Kerpan]

then how do we know you are actually doing whatever it is you are supposed to be doing?

[Kato]

Don't yall be dissin' the Snake Oil. That shizz works!!

[AROUETLJ]

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[catalyst]

People that are openly denying this, feel free to investigate before you comment.

[maple.leaf]

People that are openly denying this, feel free to investigate before you comment.

No ****................

[moughoun]

well you two genius's, why don't you explain it to us dumb grunt's

[Thunder]

People that are openly denying this, feel free to investigate before you comment. The same could be said about the people that are claiming it works.

[Guy Cramer]

Negative Ions have shown:
Improved reaction time (after 30 days of training) – better shooting accuracy
Improved endurance (after 30 days of training) – go farther
Increased alertness – stay awake longer
Dominant Alpha Brain Wave pattern – calm yet alert
...

[Guy Cramer]

Much of this research comes from Israeli University studies sponsored by the Israeli Government.

Effects of Negative Air Ionization

In the second half of the 20th century studies began to appear specifically stating the helpful biological effects of negative air ions. According to Pogrund (Sulman, p. 165), the reported physiological effects of negative air ionization include:

1. Decreased respiratory rate

2. Decreased basal metabolic rate

3. Decreased blood pressure

4. Produced a feeling of well being

5. Increased vital capacity

6. Decreased skin temperature

7. Acceleration of the conversion of succinate to fumerate

8. Stimulation of cytochrome

9. Decreased eosinophilia and lymphocyte count

10. Increased CO2 combing power of plasma

11. Decreased blood sedimentation rate

12. Decreased muscle chronaxie

13. Increased ciliary activity

14. Increased frequency of mitosis

15. Increased resistance to infection

16. Suggested as therapy in chronic rhinitis, sinusitis, migraine, insomnia, tuberculosis, wound and burn healing, asthma, hay fever, emphysema, bronchitis, conjunctivitis, chlorine gas poisoning, preventing thromboembolism.

In studies conducted by the Air Ion Research Laboratory at the University of California, evidence show that negative air ions kill many forms of molds and bacteria. The microorganisms eliminated by negative ionization include those that cause cholera and typhoid fever (Krueger, p. 4).

Negative ionization also appears to promote plant growth and shorten the time required for some plants to reach maturity. Reduction of negative ions is reported to decrease growth rates and cause the same plants to droop (Krueger, p. 4).

There is an established link between negative air ionization and the fluctuation of seratonin levels in humans and animals. Among other functions, seratonin causes the smooth muscles of the respiratory system to contract (Jokl, p. 238, Sulman, p. 162).

Negative ionization has been shown to decrease seratonin; however, positive ionization increases seratonin levels (Kreuger, p. 5).

Effects of Positive Air Ionization

Whereas negative ionization is generally considered to be beneficial, positive air ions appear to cause harmful effects (Sulman, p. 160). According to Pogrund (Sulman, p. 165), the reported physiological effects of positive air ionization include:

1. Inhibition of growth of tissue cell cultures

2. Increased respiratory rate

3. Increased basal metabolism

4. Increased blood pressure

5. Produced headache, fatigue, nausea

6. Produced nasal obstructions, sore throat, dizziness

7. Increased skin temperatures

8. Depressed rate of ciliary activity

9. Increased muscle chronaxie

10. Altered alpha wave of the EEG

11. Reduced succinic oxidase activity in the adrenals

12. Increased the blood level of 5-hydroxytryptamine

When positively ionized oxygen molecules are inhaled they have a very strong effect on lung function. Positively charged oxygen ions cause a reduction in respiratory capacity, which results in diminished resistance to stress and reduced mental ability (Sulman, p. 339).

Positive ionization in the atmosphere results in part from the collisions of normal air molecules with dust particles and by friction between different cloud layers. Positive ionization always precedes certain types of weather fronts by one or two days, because electricity moves faster than the weather that generates it (Sulman, p. 339).

The problems of positive ionization are also associated with the phenomena known as "evil winds" such as the sharav in Israel, the foehn in Europe, and the Santa Ana winds in southern California (Sulman, p. 341). Effects associated with these winds include stress reaction, thyroid problems, breathing difficulties, disrupted biorhythms, and an increase in aches and pains (Sulman, p. 144).

Side effects from positive ions winds (such as the Chinook wind in Calgary and the Santa Ana winds in southern California) compiled by a Swiss meteorological report in 1974 are as follows:

Physical side effects: Body pains, sick headaches, dizziness, twitching of the eyes, nausea, fatigue, faintness, disorders in saline (salt) budget with fluctuations in electrolytical metabolism (calcium and magnesium; critical for alcoholics), water accumulation, respiratory difficulties, allergies, asthma, heart and circulatory disorders (heart attacks approx. 50% higher) low blood pressure, slowing down in reaction time, more sensitivity to pain, inflammations, bleeding embolisms of the lungs, and thrombosis.

Psychological side effects: Emotional unbalance, irritation, vital disinclination, compulsion to meditate, exhaustion, apathy, disinclination or listlessness toward work (poor school achievement), insecurity, anxiety, depression (especially after age forty to fifty); rate of attempted suicide about 20% higher, larger number of admittance's to clinics in drug cases.

Sulman, Felix G., The Effect of Air Ionization, Electric Fields, Atmospherics and Other

Electric Phenomena On Man and Animal, Thomas, Illinois, 1980

Soyka, Fred "The Ion Effect"( Lester and Orpen Limited, 1977),p.145-146

Ionization and Air Quality- A Technological Study

[Thunder]

Negative Ions have shown:
Improved reaction time (after 30 days of training) – better shooting accuracy
Improved endurance (after 30 days of training) – go farther
Increased alertness – stay awake longer
Dominant Alpha Brain Wave pattern – calm yet alert
... I don't know, it sounds a bit too tv homeshopping-ish to me. Like socks with magnets built that are supposed to get rid of all the negative energy, do the dishes, feed the cat and what not, according to an old Japanese recipe. That kind of bollocks.

[Guy Cramer]

In Russia, scientists tried to raise small animals - mice, rats, guinea pigs, rabbits - in air with no ions at all. They all died within a few days.

[Guy Cramer]

In 1984, a study was published in the "Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology" named, "Negative Air Ionisation improves Memory and Attention in Learning-Disabled and Mentally Retarded Children" The effectiveness of negative ions on mental performance was put to a test by researching the power of negative ions to improve the cognitive abilities of mentally handicapped children, as well as the abilities of normal children.

Fourth graders were divided into three groups: normal, learning-disabled and mildly mentally retarded. The results were encouraging:- "half in each group were assigned randomly to an unmodified air-placebo condition under double-blind testing procedures. All of the children breathing negatively ionised air were superior in incidental memory. The action of negative ions on the neurotransmitter, serotonin, may be a mechanism by which negative ions produce such behavioural effects".

RESULTS

Negative Ions enhanced performance of the order of 8.4% for the normals, 23.6% for the learning disabled and 54.8% for the mildly retarded".

[maple.leaf]

I don't know about all this negative ion stuff - although I have seen quite a few examples of it being used /promoted / recommended through-out the years. So, I'm intrigued to see if I notice any difference when I start using the ECU's with this built in.

But what about the uniform itself? it sounds like it has a pretty "kick-ass" set of features to me. So I'm really looking forward to getting mine.

[akd]

Guy, we have two pieces of data here.

1. Tests have shown negative ions to improve health, alertness, etc.

2. The uniform includes a device that emits negative ions.

From these two pieces of data you have suggested (or hinted at as the direct claim is skirted around in your advertising) that the negative ions emitted by the device produce the effects found in the referenced studies.

You have not provided data to support this conclusion. Until such time as a rigorous scientific study of the positive benefits of your device specifically has been completed, I think you should stop spamming the forum with advertising.

For example, if a medical study is conducted that concludes that 100 milligrams of a substance X prevents cancer, I should not sell a cereal with .05 milligrams of said substance and claim that it prevents cancer. From a medical standpoint, there may be threshold beneath which there is either no benefit, or any benefits are indistinguishable from other environmental factors.

I understand that this product has been approved by different organizations, but approval for use is not proof of the claimed benefits. Sometimes approval simply results from demonstrating that a product won't cause harm. If those organizations have conducted studies of your actual product, please provide links.

[Lamer]

Ions are good but they dond do miracles- we have ionosator in our living room and yet I dont feel like a super man. It just a bunch of useless crap is you ask me- too much crap for miniminiminimal effect. If it was so effective every civilian would be wearing them now.

[Guy Cramer]

People on this Forum challenged that Negative Ions had any actual scientific research basis and when their perception was that this was pseudo science was shown to be incorrect they challenge the actual device.

For approval, our device needed to meet the 500 ions per cc minimum threshold as documented by the United States Government Research and be positioned within 15 inches of the nose and mouth – You can’t overdose from negative ions as a Russian Study showed no increased benefit from 100,000 per cc – ozone production becomes a concern at these high levels.

The other studies and conclusions posted were in response to questions on this forum that negative ions had not been well researched when in fact over 5,000 studies have been done on negative ions.

There are situations where an imbalance can occur and our device cannot produce enough negative ions to counteract the positive ion overdose but these are not common. This is one drawback of meeting a minimum threshold.

[Guy Cramer]

Ions are good but they dond do miracles- we have ionosator in our living room and yet I dont feel like a super man. It just a bunch of useless crap is you ask me- too much crap for miniminiminimal effect. If it was so effective every civilian would be wearing them now.

Any benefit you get in your living room would be similar to those found in the U.S. Air force Study however to achieve improved athletic attributes the large Russians studies concluded you need to train in it and train hard for at least 30 days. Negative Ion Generators are common in Germany, Russia, Israel and Japan - where much of the research has taken place. They are manditory in Russian Hospitals.

U.S. Air Force Negative Ion Air Exposure Study Summary:

"Subjective perceptions of psychological state, using individual 'normalcy' as standard, reflected significant differences between control and negative ion exposure groups.

Prominent perceptions reported were reductions in irritability, depression, and tenseness, and increases in calmness and stimulation associated with ion exposure.

For psychological state, negative ion exposure appeared associated with feeling better about self, less sensitive, and more responsive or innervated [energized]."

Subjective Response to Negative Air Ion Exposure. Journal of Aviation, Space, and Environmental Medicine, (53) August 1982 p.822-823 Author: Buckalew LW & Rizzuto A

[akd]

People on this Forum challenged that Negative Ions had any actual scientific research basis and when their perception was that this was pseudo science was shown to be incorrect they challenge the actual device.

For approval, our device needed to meet the 500 ions per cc minimum threshold as documented by the United States Government Research and be positioned within 15 inches of the nose and mouth – You can’t overdose from negative ions as a Russian Study showed no increased benefit from 100,000 per cc – ozone production becomes a concern at these high levels.

The other studies and conclusions posted were in response to questions on this forum that negative ions had not been well researched when in fact over 5,000 studies have been done on negative ions.

There are situations where an imbalance can occur and our device cannot produce enough negative ions to counteract the positive ion overdose but these are not common. This is one drawback of meeting a minimum threshold.

Well, I never challenged the psychological benefits of exposure to a negative ion rich environment. The effect is quite demonstratable: just stand on a beach with heavy wave action. Of course, the amount of energy present on a shoreline is enormous...and you are not being shot at (usually).

Thanks for stating the volume generated, as I don't believe this is stated anywhere in your adverstisements. That is more useful, as it can be compared to the results of previous studies.

However, I think if you are going to make a medical/psychological claim about a product, particularly in regards to performance in extremely dangerous circumstances, the product itself needs to be scientifically tested, and under conditions that would show a benefit in real life conditions, not just sitting in some white room filling out a questionare.

Sure, you can say it won't hurt them, so what does it matter, but you aren't selling these products at the local mall, so I think a little more should be expected of an equipment provider.

But if making undemonstrated claims give you an edge over the other guy, more power to you. I just hope that not a cent of my tax dollars goes towards it.

[Guy Cramer]

The product has been tested in Japan by a large well known company (I can't disclose the company as I signed a non-disclosure agreement). It has also been evaluated by a branch of the U.S. Special Forces.

[akd]

I can't help it, but this was the banner ad at the top when I opened this thread:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/3418/ions24gm.jpg
oh the ironyrofl

Glad your product is being evaluated. Hope you can share the results so we can see if it confirms the claims.

[Guy Cramer]

Yes, I noticed from my first post that they must have automated software on the forum for advertising which matches the topic of discussion.

I was not privy to the U.S. Special Forces evaluation results as I am a Canadian Citizen, however after the initial batch, they asked for two more platoons worth (three total), as well as all the instructors and sniper Instructors.