Toronto: Violent crime in city up almost 5 per cent

[Zarathustra]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060629.CRIME28/TPStory/TPNational/Ontario/



HAYLEY MICK

With a report from Jennifer Lewington

TORONTO -- Violent crime surged in Toronto last year, with increases in the number of homicides, ****** assaults and thefts. But experts say not to worry -- yet.

The Toronto Police Service reported this week that there was a 4.7-per-cent rise in violent crimes in 2005, including a 23.4-per-cent jump in homicides. ****** assaults rose by 8.4 per cent, and robberies by 5.7 per cent.

But criminologists and police say it's too early to call it a trend. The city had an unusually non-violent year in 2004, and numbers for 2005 are consistent with those seen in the past half-decade.

In fact, the number of violent crime offences is the second-lowest in the past five years.

"We don't have a panic when we see a spike like this because we look at the five-year trend rather than the one-year trend," said Deputy Chief Tony Warr.

Crime rates in the United States generally, as well as Toronto and the rest of Canada, had consistently been declining since the early 1990s. But in the past couple of years, that trend seems to have reversed.

According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, violent crime increased in the United States in 2005. Homicides, robberies and aggravated assaults were all up by between about 2 and 5 per cent.

Statistics Canada will release this year's national crime numbers in late July. In 2004, the overall violent crime rate fell by 2 per cent.

In terms of homicides, however, Vancouver's rate jumped 24 per cent over the previous year, Edmonton's 55 per cent, Calgary's 73 per cent, Winnipeg's 88 per cent and in Halifax, the homicide rate tripled.

Experts are still unclear about why. Some blame guns. Others point to demographics and consider the number of males between 18 and 29 -- statistically the most violent members of society. Still others say each city has its own reasons to explain deviations from the norm.

In Toronto, for example, 79 people were slainin 2005 -- a year dubbed by the news media the "year of the gun" because of the 52 firearms-related homicides, which were largely rooted in Toronto's flourishing gang culture.

"There is a change in the character of homicide," said Neil Boyd, a criminologist from Simon Fraser University. "It said something about the need to combat the culture of young men carrying guns. As a society we need to take issue with that."

Deputy Chief Warr said that Toronto police use violent-crime statistics as a "barometer" to judge what needs to be done.

One initiative that came out of last year's surge in gun violence is TAVIS, the Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy, which launched in mid-January.

Pam McConnell, vice-chairwoman of the Toronto Police Services Board, said the police and community and women's groups are trying to improve how officers deal with victims of crime.

Action on violence against women now is one of the stated priorities of the police service business goals for 2006.

Both Prof. Boyd and criminologist Rosemary Gartner of the University of Toronto stressed that it will take many years to determine whether the statistical increases seen in 2005 reflect a long-term trend.

"We don't know whether it's just random chance or whether it's more meaningful than that," Prof. Gartner said.

Of the past five years, 2001 had the most reported violent crimes with 37,057. There were slight decreases over the next three years until 2004, which saw 32,948. In 2005, they jumped to 34,496.

[Impulse_t0]

F*cking gang wars. We need to put them down before my home town has crime rates on par with American cities.

[Lt. James Anderson]

And of course, that has nothing to do with the rise in third world immigrant population ... :roll:

[VPR]

And of course, that has nothing to do with the rise in third world immigrant population ... :roll:

it has everything to do with that, but the city and the country are too stupid to realize that, they are stuck in "everyone is equal" cycle, and everyone deserves a place in Canada, but the fact is they are all on welfare and dont give a fuk about the country they live in

[Impulse_t0]

it has everything to do with that, but the city and the country are too stupid to realize that, they are stuck in "everyone is equal" cycle, and everyone deserves a place in Canada, but the fact is they are all on welfare and dont give a fuk about the country they live in

The guy was being sarcastic and by the way everybody in the country is not too stupid to realize it, they know, believe me they know but the second somebody brings the point out the people scream, racial profiling! racists! bla bla bla. Racial profiling is an essential part of police work and should be continued because the statistics do show that most crime is caused by these new immigrants on welfare.

[Mavrick369]

what we need to do is take that thing they call "political correctness" and throw it out the god damn window. Then you replace it with criminology; this means racial profiling. If a certain race or a certain age group (or both) are the ones breaking the laws then we should be giving them extra attention. In the case of gun violance in Toronto the majority of the victims and criminals are (now watch as i state a fact, aka not a racist comment) younge black males. this is the group we should be targeting.

[Resurrection]

what we need to do is take that thing they call "political correctness" and throw it out the god damn window. Then you replace it with criminology; this means racial profiling. If a certain race or a certain age group (or both) are the ones breaking the laws then we should be giving them extra attention. In the case of gun violance in Toronto the majority of the victims and criminals are (now watch as i state a fact, aka not a racist comment) younge black males. this is the group we should be targeting.

I like the way you think.

[ex1cdo]

The guy was being sarcastic and by the way everybody in the country is not too stupid to realize it, they know, believe me they know but the second somebody brings the point out the people scream, racial profiling! racists! bla bla bla. Racial profiling is an essential part of police work and should be continued because the statistics do show that most crime is caused by these new immigrants on welfare.
Perhaps you would care to trot out these statistics so the rest of us may be illuminated.

[Impulse_t0]

Why don't you go and waste your time finding those statistics because I couldn't be bothered right now.

[Firetxmi]

Why don't you go and waste your time finding those statistics because I couldn't be bothered right now.

Then don't cite them. As they say, "you can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk."

[Lt. James Anderson]

Maybe you should go visit some parts of Toronto ... No need for statistics ... or maybe Halifax ???

[ex1cdo]

Why don't you go and waste your time finding those statistics because I couldn't be bothered right now.

Is it that you cannot be bothered because your mind is already made up, or perhaps the statistics you refer to but cannot cite will not support your thesis?

[ex1cdo]

Maybe you should go visit some parts of Toronto ... No need for statistics ... or maybe Halifax ???
So you can tell, simply by looking at people, that:

a) they are immigrants,
b) they are on welfare, and
c) they are criminals.

I am impressed.

[Impulse_t0]

Then don't cite them. As they say, "you can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk."

I'll cite whatever I want because I read them. If you want the statistics go find them yourself lazy ass.

It's true though. In Toronto of you go west of Dufferin it's all black and if you go east of Don Mills all black. Toronto on the whole is extremely safe. It's those damned suburbs *cough* Scarborough *cough*. I've only had a couple of problems in the city and god do I miss Toronto. I love my town.

[Impulse_t0]

So you can tell, simply by looking at people, that:

a) they are immigrants,
b) they are on welfare, and
c) they are criminals.

I am impressed.

He doesn't mean go to certain neighbourhoods to look at people and assume they are criminals. He means go to those neighbourhoods and see what goes on there.

[Lt. James Anderson]

He doesn't mean go to certain neighbourhoods to look at people and assume they are criminals. He means go to those neighbourhoods and see what goes on there.

Thanks. Hopefully it is simple enough for him to understand now ...

[Fargin]

I think it's a little more complex than 'immegrants', but you can bet your ass police is already profiling. Nothing to do with race or nationality, everything to do with being at the bottom of the soclial ladder, with little oppotunity, choice and rescources.

[Bombtrack]

Impulse_t0, you're a ****ing moron so stop talking before you embarass yourself any more than you already have.

[Mavrick369]

I think it's a little more complex than 'immegrants', but you can bet your ass police is already profiling. Nothing to do with race or nationality, everything to do with being at the bottom of the soclial ladder, with little oppotunity, choice and rescources.

Your right the police are profiling them because they are at the bottom of the social ladder, with little opportunity, choice and resources. I mean when you have little opportunity and resources your not going to steal. your going to go out and find ourself a nice job that pays little money and has long shifts. stealing is easier but hey they dont do it. the police are only profiling them because they are law abiding citizens.

[Firetxmi]

I'll cite whatever I want because I read them. If you want the statistics go find them yourself lazy ass.



I will assume the statistics you cite don't support your thesis, as stated above. If this is such a prevalent trend then it should be easy for you to find these statistics, right? I probably should put something like "lazy a**" right here to stay true to your form, but I will show some restraint. So lets see those stats... :roll:

[Lt. James Anderson]

I think it's a little more complex than 'immegrants', but you can bet your ass police is already profiling. Nothing to do with race or nationality, everything to do with being at the bottom of the soclial ladder, with little oppotunity, choice and rescources.

Old communist fag excuse ... Yes, I was poor and at the bottom of the social ladder by never chose to walk the path of crime ... However, it is very interesting that wherever in the world you got "the same poor people without opportunity" turning to crime and causing problems. Could it be that they are to lazy to work? To lazy to put in some effort to better their life? We don't have enough of that over here, so we should import some from third world ****holes ...

[Firetxmi]

Old communist fag excuse ...

And the thread quickly goes down hill. Thank you LT. for using such language as to create a personal attack against others. I'd like to know how all "fags" have the same opinion. Are Log Cabin Republicans included in this, sir?

[Mavrick369]

I will assume the statistics you cite don't support your thesis, as stated above. If this is such a prevalent trend then it should be easy for you to find these statistics, right? I probably should put something like "lazy a**" right here to stay true to your form, but I will show some restraint. So lets see those stats... :roll:

If the stats exist they wont be reliable... the canadian government is to "politically correct" to create them. Impulse isnt too far off, the majority of gun related crimes are done by (new) immigrants. As for the welfare thing im not too sure... but i can tell you that the majority of the crimes take place in areas with high government housing (the government subsidizes the cost of living) and that the majority of the criminals live in these government houses. The statistics dont offically exist (not to my knowledge), so dont bother asking for them. Use your logic and common sence to look at the newspaper reports and put two and two togeather. When a gun crime is reported in the Jane and Finch area you bet the person lives there. When you realizes that Jane and Finch is full of government houses you can bet that they are likely to live in one. And when you reailze that they live in one of these houses they are not able to pay for their cost of living and are likely to be on welfare

[Firetxmi]

If the stats exist they wont be reliable... the canadian government is to "politically correct" to create them. Impulse isnt too far off, the majority of gun related crimes are done by (new) immigrants. As for the welfare thing im not too sure... but i can tell you that the majority of the crimes take place in areas with high government housing (the government subsidizes the cost of living) and that the majority of the criminals live in these government houses. The statistics dont offically exist (not to my knowledge), so dont bother asking for them. Use your logic and common sence to look at the newspaper reports and put two and two togeather. When a gun crime is reported in the Jane and Finch area you bet the person lives there. When you realizes that Jane and Finch is full of government houses you can bet that they are likely to live in one. And when you reailze that they live in one of these houses they are not able to pay for their cost of living and are likely to be on welfare

You willing to say the same about the predominatly low income Black areas of Chicago like Cabrini Green or Robert Taylor Homes, or do these only apply to "them damn immgrunts?"

[Impulse_t0]

Impulse_t0, you're a ****ing moron so stop talking before you embarass yourself any more than you already have.

Why don't you tell me how I have embarassed myself.

[Firetxmi]

Why don't you tell me how I have embarassed myself.

People get reemed out here for not putting a reliable source (too liberal and such), yet you REFUSE to cite your source and expect those to take it as fact.

[Impulse_t0]

People get reemed out here for not putting a reliable source (too liberal and such), yet you REFUSE to cite your source and expect those to take it as fact.

I have embarassed myself because I have not posted a source? How does that work? I am not expecting anyone to take anything as a fact and please if you care so much go find the source yourself. Again, I cannot be bothered.

[Lt. James Anderson]

You willing to say the same about the predominatly low income Black areas of Chicago like Cabrini Green or Robert Taylor Homes, or do these only apply to "them damn immgrunts?"

Low income ... .HAHAHAHAHAH ... Are they forced to live there? "In low income areas"? And what when they move ... crime and poverty moves with them ??? Weird, ah?

[Mavrick369]

You willing to say the same about the predominatly low income Black areas of Chicago like Cabrini Green or Robert Taylor Homes, or do these only apply to "them damn immgrunts?"

Im not willing to say that about areas that i do not know. Chicago is in a whole different country. I live in the GTA so i understand the situation within that area. However i am willing to say the same for low income black areas of Toronto and the GTA.

And why are you quoting "them damn immgrunts"? i didnt say that.
next time you decide to post use this, http://www.m-w.com/. like come on "immgrunts" isnt even close

[Hollis]

Profiling is a interesting term.


Insurance companies Profile........ Your 16, Male, your insurance rates are excessive, not because you are a bad driver is because you are a Male and 16.

Look at statistic gathered, Lets say last year in France 80% of all rapes were done by people who are a member of group B. Your looking for a rapist, who happens to fullfill the description of a group B person, who you look for?

Group A people, group C, or Group B people? Obviously each groups have physical and social traits that are different.

Is that called profiling? Is profiling necessarily wrong?

People are selected for jobs when their profile fits the profile of the job too.

[p$ycho+log!cal]

F*cking gang wars. We need to put them down before my home town has crime rates on par with American cities.

crime is bad and good on another side.

it create jobs, ask police!
its like in a factory, when ther is no job anymore and you have 100 employees paid for nothing, you fire them. exact same thing with the police, they need crime to get job.

[Mavrick369]

put down the crimes? you just recruited 2000 new officer, what are you gonna do with them if their is no crime anymore ? fire them?
doesnt work like this.
crime create jobs. ask police

crime does create jobs. it creats jobs for the drug dealers, pimps, theives... and the funeral homes in the case of gun crimes. and the coppers will tell you that crime doesnt create jobs... it takes them away. no company is going to want to bring their business to an area with high crime rates.

[Impulse_t0]

crime is bad and good on another side.

it create jobs, ask police!
its like in a factory, when ther is no job anymore and you have 100 employees paid for nothing, you fire them. exact same thing with the police, they need crime to get job.

Ah yes crime is great!!! It creates jobs!!! This should be the main argument in the coming American election. Democrat: I WILL INCREASE CRIME 10 FOLD TO CREATE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND CREATE AN ECONOMIC BOOM!!!!

[EvanL]

There is no such thing as having no crime. There will always be crime, and that's why there will always be police.

[Lt. James Anderson]

There is no such thing as having no crime. There will always be crime, and that's why there will always be police.

I think that is the most idiotic statement on this topic so far ... Thanks for a good laugh.

[EvanL]

I think that is the most idiotic statement on this topic so far ... Thanks for a good laugh.
Are you mental? Or just a little bit retarded?

[Lt. James Anderson]

I'll PM you the answer if you want .

[ex1cdo]

I'll cite whatever I want because I read them. If you want the statistics go find them yourself lazy ass.
You cited nothing. You made an unsupported statement and resort to ad hominem attacks on those who question your comments.

[ex1cdo]

Thanks. Hopefully it is simple enough for him to understand now ...

Are you two joined at the hip, or do you just take delight in finishing each others sentences?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Old communist fag excuse ... Yes, I was poor and at the bottom of the social ladder by never chose to walk the path of crime ... However, it is very interesting that wherever in the world you got "the same poor people without opportunity" turning to crime and causing problems. Could it be that they are to lazy to work? To lazy to put in some effort to better their life? We don't have enough of that over here, so we should import some from third world ****holes ...Your pretty far off the mark on this one as communists were the more muscular manifestation of socialism and were of the “never complain never explain” school of thought.Then again maybe you mean “liberal fag” but then again liberal fags would be less concerned about crime but much more interested in D&G’s new season of fashion or whether Baulthaup kitchens were really in.

[Lt. James Anderson]

Not really ... I ment the cultural Marxism .... by other means ...

What is the Frankfurt School? ©

by

Dr. Gerald L. Atkinson CDR USN (Ret.)

Copyright 1 August 1999





If you have absorbed any of the background material presented in this series of essays on "'Cultural Marxism' at the U.S. Naval Academy," you should be quite concerned that our future naval officers are being subjected to psychic intimidation and indoctrination by behavioral psychologists and clinicians whose methods descend from Wilhelm Wundt [1]. The 'facilitators' and civilian professors in the 'Leadership and Ethics' program at the Academy are Wundtians all. The 'cultural Marxism' that has invaded our military academies and other military institutions is pervasive. As a result, these future naval officers will not have an understanding of the essence of what they are chosen to protect, that is, American civilization [2] -- the most vital and precious descendent of Western civilization.
One must wonder who 'they' are. Who in America today is at work destroying our traditions, our family bonds, our religious beginnings, our reinforcing institutions, indeed, our entire culture? What is it that is changing our American civilization?

rest:
http://www.newtotalitarians.com/FrankfurtSchool.html

[NSX-R]

Many of the recent shootings in Toronto are caused by young, black, males originally from the Caribbean who were either born there or are second generation immigrants in Canada. It's not a problem amongst all immigrants. The most law abiding minorities in Toronto are the Chinese, Filipinos, Indians, and Italians. So far, Arabs/Muslims have been quite peaceful.

[Fargin]

Profiling isn't necessarily wrong.

But I see a clear and unambiguous attempt to force immigrants into a gangraping, knifestabbing, thieving and radical fundemalistic steriotype. This forum as such is a perfect example of the sensation oriented press and oppotunistic political parties.

It's a problem that you stigmatize all immigants, with your barrage of generalizing criticism against a minority with in a minority. Today, people avoid openly admitting to being a racist, because it's nolonger socially acceptable. But I see criticism and openly hostility now turned against words like 'culture' and especially 'muslim', instead of africans, turks, asians or easteuropeans. If I only had a nickel for every intolerable idiot starting a ignorat rant with: 'This might sound racist, but...'


I think that is the most idiotic statement on this topic so far ... Thanks for a good laugh.
Actually I think you won with the commie fag remark. And yes around here where I live(not nevereverland like you) there has always been crime comminted by the lowest in society. Even gangrapes and theft!!!

[VPR]

Old communist fag excuse ... Yes, I was poor and at the bottom of the social ladder by never chose to walk the path of crime ... However, it is very interesting that wherever in the world you got "the same poor people without opportunity" turning to crime and causing problems. Could it be that they are to lazy to work? To lazy to put in some effort to better their life? We don't have enough of that over here, so we should import some from third world ****holes ...

I agree with you

crime has something to do with low incomes, and it also has something to do with race and origin, especially origin, and lets stop this political correctness bs, we all know some people are much more ****e to crime than others and its not because they are poor

[Fargin]

Many of the recent shootings in Toronto are caused by young, black, males originally from the Caribbean who were either born there or are second generation immigrants in Canada. It's not a problem amongst all immigrants. The most law abiding minorities in Toronto are the Chinese, Filipinos, Indians, and Italians. So far, Arabs/Muslims have been quite peaceful.
I'm currious whether there also are law abiding black citizens in Toronto?

[Lt. James Anderson]

Lol ... you just never give up. No, NOT ALL (nobody said that) , but a lot of them more than enough to get you thinking that something is wrong ... Yes, I openly proclaim I'm "a racist against crime, laziness, stupidity and idiotism" ... Don't give a rats azz which color you are ... but that's how it is. No BS.

[Mavrick369]

I'm currious whether there also are law abiding black citizens in Toronto?

The majority of criminals are black. The majority of blacks are not criminals.

[Mr.K]

The majority of criminals are black. The majority of blacks are not criminals.
That's what TV says, but if you look at the jail population you will notice that most of the inmates are white.
Wated people channel, notice that whites are dominating the list.
http://avisderecherche.tv/mainIndex.htm

Stereotypes again, you see a white man in a bmw you'd probably think he's a buisness man, lawyer, etc. You see a black man in the same car,the 1st t thing that will come to your mind is that he's a drug dealer or ganster of some sort.
As it was so well put in a movie "Don't be a menace" : "we were arrested for being black on a friday night".
Companies can profile, because it's a private buisness, don't like the insurance quote? You can go elsewhere.

[Zvucni Efekti]

I have embarassed myself because I have not posted a source? How does that work? I am not expecting anyone to take anything as a fact and please if you care so much go find the source yourself. Again, I cannot be bothered.
Too busy preparing for action in the West Bank?
Back on topic...

That's what TV says, but if you look at the jail population you will notice that most of the inmates are white.


Obviously, the majority of incarcerated peoples will be white because the majority of the general population is white.

Incarceration rates in the United States graphed using data from http://www.doc.state.ok.us/DOCS/OCJRC/OCJRC94/940650k.htm

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Us-incarceration-rates.png

(http://www.doc.state.ok.us/DOCS/OCJRC/OCJRC94/940650k.htm)

[Mr.K]

Almost as good as Lepen's '3 000 000 immigrants, 3 000 000 people on welfare'. Who made that graph?

[500766]

It's true though. In Toronto of you go west of Dufferin it's all black and if you go east of Don Mills all black. Toronto on the whole is extremely safe. It's those damned suburbs *cough* Scarborough *cough*.
"All black"?...Judging from your quote you know nothing of the demographics of Toronto. I have lived in, as you described, that damn suburb, for over 15 years and I can categorically state that your perception is incorrect. Were you perhaps the victim of a certain crime and have therefore developed certain prejudices? For the sake of argument, what IF these suburbs were all black? The colour of one's skin does not determine one's criminality.

[Mavrick369]

The colour of one's skin does not determine one's criminality.

You would think that.

[Bia]

The guy was being sarcastic and by the way everybody in the country is not too stupid to realize it, they know, believe me they know but the second somebody brings the point out the people scream, racial profiling! racists! bla bla bla. Racial profiling is an essential part of police work and should be continued because the statistics do show that most crime is caused by these new immigrants on welfare.


People HAVE to stop being afraid of that label....
Screw em....call me what you will......but we know it's not racist...it's reality.

[p$ycho+log!cal]

Ah yes crime is great!!! It creates jobs!!! This should be the main argument in the coming American election. Democrat: I WILL INCREASE CRIME 10 FOLD TO CREATE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND CREATE AN ECONOMIC BOOM!!!!

hey u genius, who the **** you think did put the coke on the streets, where do you think they found all that money to finance the transport, making n **** like this? some random dudes in the wood, or , some well connected guy in the gov' whos doing more money illegaly than legaly?
think about it.