Martial Arts Finest

[EYE SPY]

Cool Video

http://mvm.recongamer.com/ma-finest.wmv

The only bad thing about it is the gay background music. Damn Nu-Metal

[MVSpartan117]

THAT IS SO COOL!

It almost looks fake, almost.....

but thats damn cool

[ibstolidude]

I swear I saw Beo in ninja garb leaping off a Toronto sign about 3/4 ths in to it.


I would be cery curious what a unarmed (non-projectile - as gunfighting = martial)) martial artist or practitioner such as TP thinks of this.

[JiJoMacLE45]

What's the SAS version of hand to hand combat, broken beer bottles and nine millimeter bullets. I'll leave that high flying **** to all you high speed ninjas. It's pretty hard to spin kick my ass with a bullet in your leg.

[ibstolidude]

What's the SAS version of hand to hand combat, broken beer bottles and nine millimeter bullets. I'll leave that high flying **** to all you high speed ninjas. It's pretty hard to spin kick my ass with a bullet in your leg.

FUK YU - main focus - headbutting, eyegougind, biting and the use of any swingable impliment within reach.


as my father said:
"Never kick a man when he is on the ground."
"Why, cause it's not fair?" I asked

"**** no, stomping does loads more damage and you are less likely to get hurt."

[Apogee]

stoli,
If we still had sigs, that would be it

[Jack Mehoff]

I'm still working on it. My POS digital cam can't take 3 shots for every second

http://www.nastyburger.com/sh1.jpg

http://www.nastyburger.com/sh3.jpg

http://www.nastyburger.com/sh2.jpg

[Ratamacue]

I see a new animated GIF coming soon, produced and directed by Rantanplan. ;)

[Flagg]

great video.....it's like a frickin' John Woo movie preview

but it looks like more "art" than "martial" to me....

[Jack Mehoff]

This is real martial arts. No fancy kicks bull****

http://www.imageshack.us/img1/4459/ka3.jpg

http://www.nastyburger.com/hh1.jpg

http://www.nastyburger.com/hh2.jpg

http://www.nastyburger.com/ka9.jpg

[Flagg]

I hope that's not that hot wife of yours acting as your sparring dummy

[Jack Mehoff]

My wife is not that short

[Salty Dog]

This is real martial arts. No fancy kicks bull****

http://www.imageshack.us/img1/4459/ka3.jpg

http://www.nastyburger.com/hh1.jpg

http://www.nastyburger.com/hh2.jpg

http://www.nastyburger.com/ka9.jpg

you fighting your wife? :D , but seriously, who is that other guy you're fighting?

[Jack Mehoff]

My sparring partner of course.

He has his heavy pads and only play defense while i'm the offense. Second round i'm the defender and he plays offense. In the third round, both of us put on light pads and kick the **** out of each other.

Don't think that he's bad because he isn't. He's one of the fastest little dude I've ever seen. I have a few of pics of him nailed me in the head but i'm not going to post it up here :lol:

[ibstolidude]

This is real martial arts. No fancy kicks bull****
- I am not trying to sound insulting - I am actually rather ignorant about this.
JACK
As any martial arts I hav learned are specific,ly tailored and lack the formal training a real fighter recieves, high kicks (aboe the knee/upper thigh ) really do not exist for me.

How affective is an attempt to kick a dude in the head? OR is it one of those "it works great, when it works". I envision it as aLOT of training type thing, but as I said I am fairly ignorant about any real unarmed martial arts.
I am more of a lots of knees, elbows, kicks are for if somehow we get seperated or to create opportunity to close (nerve along side slightly above knee) - loads of choking and take downs.

any intelligent input would be great. Obviously I lack the skills others may have, but I can't see me employing a high kick effectively, even with 20 years of training, however I guarantee I can clear the doorway ;) the last photo is much more familiar - the first picture would equal my ass being whipped with a groin injury to boot.

thanks in advance

[EvanL]

This is real martial arts. No fancy kicks bull****
- I am not trying to sound insulting - I am actually rather ignorant about this.
JACK
As any martial arts I hav learned are specific,ly tailored and lack the formal training a real fighter recieves, high kicks (aboe the knee/upper thigh ) really do not exist for me.

How affective is an attempt to kick a dude in the head? OR is it one of those "it works great, when it works". I envision it as aLOT of training type thing, but as I said I am fairly ignorant about any real unarmed martial arts.
I am more of a lots of knees, elbows, kicks are for if somehow we get seperated or to create opportunity to close (nerve along side slightly above knee) - loads of choking and take downs.

any intelligent input would be great. Obviously I lack the skills others may have, but I can't see me employing a high kick effectively, even with 20 years of training, however I guarantee I can clear the doorway ;) the last photo is much more familiar - the first picture would equal my ass being whipped with a groin injury to boot.

thanks in advance
Its pretty much impossible to land an effective kick in someones head unless your bruce lee or the jolly green giant. Most times you will want to kick them in the gut or in the legs. Kicking in the legs is the most feasible. Especially during a fight where you will be able to kick someones legs out and then just land em a kick or punch to the head on the ground. Might sound cheap but if your in trouble who ****ing cares.
Kickin in the gut is good cus you can knock their air out. But if your going against someone whose intent on hurting you, hes not as likely to stop.
Kicking is a hard thing to get downpact, but if you can master it, your set.

[ibstolidude]

I have no problems with kicks to the legs - I am prefer to pound on the ground - but the whole head kick thing escapes my ability and vision.

[Jack Mehoff]

Pictures speak a thousand words. Look at how high his kicks are.
Cung Le is awesome

http://www.cungle.com/techniques.html


http://www.cungle.com/clip_pics/pic_images/Cung-014.jpg

http://www.cungle.com/clip_pics/pic_images/Cung-008.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

This is one of my favorite throw down and it took me MONTHS to perfect it. I copy it from Cung Le :D

http://www.cungle.com/clip_pics/pic_images/B2F2_6.jpg

http://www.nastyburger.com/ka9.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

I have no problems with kicks to the legs - I am prefer to pound on the ground - but the whole head kick thing escapes my ability and vision.

I would never try any fancy kicks against taller guys. My sparring partner is 5'6" and i'm 5'11" so it's all good

[ibstolidude]

Pictures speak a thousand words. Look at how high his kicks are.
Cung Le is awesome

http://www.cungle.com/techniques.html


http://www.cungle.com/clip_pics/pic_images/Cung-014.jpg

http://www.cungle.com/clip_pics/pic_images/Cung-008.jpg

Thanks for the response.

So I jokeing was going to post a pic of a fighter I could better relate to...
http://sherdog.com/fightfinder/pictures/pride19_match6.jpg DOn Frye chocking out shamrock.

And I find a picture of him being kicked in the head.

http://sherdog.com/fightfinder/pictures/Shockwave_match6.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

stoli,

What style is your? Mine are Tae Kwon Do, Brazilian Jujitsu and wrestling

[ibstolidude]

stoli,

What style is your? Mine are Tae Kwon Do, Brazilian Jujitsu and wrestling
I would lie to say I have a true style -the longest formal training I took Aikido was when I was stationed in CA. I took that as it was interesting to me. I also enjoyed the freedom/flexability of it. One or 2 days a week those mixed style martial artists would incorporate their other styles. I also like the fact that it could be performed at full speed. I have wrestled alot, and that too lead to me prefering to close the distance.

Currently I practice (although not nearly enough / too infrequently) at a local school that teaches freestyle martial arts - I focus heavily on striking as I am not a "big" guy but am tall and wish to use my natural range. He teaches from his learning in Boxing, Sambo, Wrestling, Brazilian Jui-Jitsu, and Kung Fu San Soo. - I like them because the instructor has the experience - and it is done at a rapid pace. I learn by doing -& if I get a bloody lip cause I did it wrong - oh well - I will remember next time.
I have also done a rather fair amount of this in the military (not basic trng hip tosses either).

I do not waste my time on any weapons forms. I do have practice regularily with the pistol and long guns in weapon retention, and the ability to the use the weapon is a, well, a weapon (non-firing).

[Loopster]

No one practices Krav Maga?

In Spain a lot of friends who are serving in Infanteria de Marina practices it, special police units also have courses (GEO uses a mix of kick-boxing, taekowndo, aikido and police arrest technics).

http://www.isayeret.com/terror/707-2.jpghttp://www.isayeret.com/units/land/special/force100/100-10.jpg

I have 1st Dan in Judo (from my primary school), also a pair of years in taekwondo, but Krav Maga is the most efective system I've ever see and practiced.

http://www.isayeret.com/terror/707-1.jpghttp://www.kravmagasd.com/aroundtheworld/TrainingIsrael/Ground%20Choke%20Defense.JPG

GIGN, SAS, LAPD SWAT, Israel Defence Forces, UEI,.... many international spec ops units have their own instructors in Krav Maga, probably because is a "no rules" martial art and teach you how to use anything you have as a weapon, the famous "naked guns"

[TriggerPuller]

This is not a pissing contest. I dont/wont get into the best Martial Arts debate except to say that i have a tendencey to stay away from sport orientated styles. headbuttts, knees,elbows low line kicks,gouges,chokes(JKD, Muy Thai,FMA's, Military combatives) anything that uses your gross motor skills are all proven and effective.When the **** hits the fan all the fancy jumps and spinning kicks are worthless in the street or on the battlefield! Learn the counters to BJJ and gun disarmaments also! Knife combatives(Filipino or Indonesian) will teach you coordination and gives you an equalizer when you have more than one assailant.

TP

[Guttorm]

I have a black belt in bull****...

I'm THAT good at talking it.... :D

[Laconian]

Trigger is right. Sport is sport & fighting (subject control) is a completely different ballgame. Try doing all that fancy stuff wearing body armor, boots, helmet, belt with mags, cuffs, holster sidearm, radio, & carrying a long gun, etc. etc. The best systems for real life applications are based in gross motor skills. Why? Because when the sympathetic nervous system becomes activated by a perceived objective threat, fine & complex motor skills will go right out the door. In fact when the heartrate goes above 150 bpm, you can only perform gross motor skills because of the changes in the body caused by stress. Plus, gross motor skills are easily learned & retained, especially if they are hard wired into the mid brain with repetitive training. Simple is better & there should be a commonality of technique. Stuff you do in a bus aisle (with some minor tweaking) should be the same stuff you do in a parking lot.

The other stuff is fun to train in, but a lot of it is just not practical for anything outside the dojo or ring.
Just my $.02.
Stay safe

[Loopster]

gross motor skills are easily learned & retained, especially if they are hard wired into the mid brain with repetitive training. Simple is better & there should be a commonality of technique.

Thats Krav Maga, they don't teach you a long and pretty kata to impress the girls in the beach (like Capoeira), easy and brutal, and learn how to control and respond in extreme conditions.

Theres no time in one-to-one training combats (usually doesn't have one-to-one combats) because in real life and combat situations it doesn't exist.

"Punch the face, grab the balls, squeeze it and run"... simple, but I don't see people using simple technics in a street fight (anyone who lives in a bars/clubs zone has see a lot of fights).

Visit any web about Krav Maga and read how it born and the principles of KM... Imi Lechtfield really knew the reality of a soldier, he was one.

[ibstolidude]

Trigger is right. Sport is sport & fighting (subject control) is a completely different ballgame. Try doing all that fancy stuff wearing body armor, boots, helmet, belt with mags, cuffs, holster sidearm, radio, & carrying a long gun, etc. etc. The best systems for real life applications are based in gross motor skills. Why? Because when the sympathetic nervous system becomes activated by a perceived objective threat, fine & complex motor skills will go right out the door. In fact when the heartrate goes above 150 bpm, you can only perform gross motor skills because of the changes in the body caused by stress. Plus, gross motor skills are easily learned & retained, especially if they are hard wired into the mid brain with repetitive training. Simple is better & there should be a commonality of technique. Stuff you do in a bus aisle (with some minor tweaking) should be the same stuff you do in a parking lot.

The other stuff is fun to train in, but a lot of it is just not practical for anything outside the dojo or ring.
Just my $.02.
Stay safe
Hence my apprehension with the whole head kick thing.

BUt as I said I have never attempted it so even commenting on it would be way outside my experience.

Ref: Doing all this crap with BA, helmet, vest, gear, radio, weapon is definately a whole over exhausting experience.

[JiJoMacLE45]

As someone who has participated & witnessed his fair share of physical confrontations over the last six years, I have yet to witness anyone land, much less attempt a kick to the head of their opponent(unless of course that opponent was already on the ground).

TP said it right, sport fighting is just that, a sport. Most of the defensive tactics/CQD skills I was 'learned on' in the academy have proved to be pretty effective in the real world. Various defensive strikes, holds, and takedowns. It all of course depends on what the goal of your action is. Are you trying to buy yourself the split second or two that will allow you to remove yourself from the dangerous situation you face. In my case, most of the time I'm trying to gain enough control of a person that I can put them in bracelets and take them for a car ride. Or are you just out there to whoop someone's ass.

A few guys I work with rave about Krav Maga, some guys are big into various martial arts disciplines. But the second the fights on, all of that goes out the window and they revert back to grappling b/c all the high speed ninja **** is not practical in a real street fight. The guys on the job who can best hold their own when it comes time to throw down are guys with solid wrestling backgrounds. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen two guys stand toe to toe and just trade blows w/o someone going down. 99% of your fights are going to end up with you on the ground, you better know how to handle yourself when you get down there.

[berkal]

try typing the following keywords into a Googlesearch:

Parkour David Belle

and enjoy

[ibstolidude]

OKAY, we are way off track atleast from my end - All I wanted to know (as a believe that high kicks = you will get killed) is who out there ever tried it successfully and thought it was realistic.

and @ JiJoMacLE45 - I'll stand toe to toe - if you get nothing and I get a ballbat .... ;) but then that IS my idea of a fair fight.

like Andrew Dice Clay at the end of Adventures of Ford Fairlane.
"throw down your gun and lets do this like men, mano E mano."
judas priest singer looking dude tosses his gun and pulls a knife.
"hahaha what are you a f*cking idiot. I mean who throws down his gun."
pulls out a gun then he shoots bad guy.

[JiJoMacLE45]

and @ JiJoMacLE45 - I'll stand toe to toe - if you get nothing and I get a ballbat .... but then that IS my idea of a fair fight.

We talkin' wood or aluminum, as I am anti-magnetic and can resist the blows of aluminum ball bats. ;)

PS: so you were the guy who saw Ford Fairlane. I knew we'd eventually find you.

[California Joe]

"He pulls a knife, you pull a gun.....THAT'S the Chicago way"

[Sierra]

WOW! Thats amazing :) :O

[ibstolidude]

We talkin' wood or aluminum, as I am anti-magnetic and can resist the blows of aluminum ball bats. ;)
- true but I heard you attract lots of wood.

[Trigger]

Trigger is right. Sport is sport & fighting (subject control) is a completely different ballgame...Stay safe

Sorry to interrupt, but to clarify: TP is who you were referring to. He's the badass, I'm just a groupie :D

Cheers

Trig

[TriggerPuller]

Trigger is right. Sport is sport & fighting (subject control) is a completely different ballgame...Stay safe

Sorry to interrupt, but to clarify: TP is who you were referring to. He's the badass, I'm just a groupie :D

Cheers

Trig Thanks for the kind words there T but Iam neither a badass nor a tough guy!! :D

TP

P.S. I tell the girls iam an Executive assistant and they just look at me and say no way you are an executive assistant,not with an bad attitude like yours!! Jeez cant a guy get a break!! later. lol

[EYE SPY]

Another video. Same gay music in the background tho.

http://old.hugi.is/fyndnar/fridaynight3-1.wmv

[Laconian]

My apologies to Trigger & TriggerPuller for the mix-up.
As far as KM goes, I took a seminar on it but I did not really like it. I am too used to the systems I use/train/teach. I also thought their weapon disarm was more complicated than necessary.
I look at all the new systems coming around (because they want to be our vendor) & the stuff that works is the simplest. My take on it is a little different because, like JiJo, my job is make somebody spend a lot of time in the GrayBar Hotel, not just to pummel some idiot into a quivering mass of jelly & leave. Don't get me wrong, it would be nice, but my rules of engagement just don't allow that all the time...

Stay safe.

[WARPIG]

Aren't we missing the obvious? I mean, maybe stoli isn't going to get away with a head kick but I could see Jack pulling it off. Not really a way to gage which is best or more realistic unless we have a generic environment, situation, and skill. The area you have to work, and what you're up against is the key, isn't it?
For instance, I don't have the training in TKD or Kickboxing that Jack does. I do some grappling though. Jack looks considerably bigger than I do. I am about 5'10' and 170lbs. I have pretty quick hands but no good flexibility in my legs.
In a bar brawl, assuming Jack doesn't turn to grappling... I'm going to have a bit of an advantage because of the space. I look less intimidating but can take a hit pretty damn well. My "style" of fighting would lead me to sting Jacks face enough to let me get a hold of him. Even though I expect him to be stronger, I'm gonna try and focus on a limb or his neck to make him hurt. If I can get some control of his arm, poor Jacks gonna have some bent up fingers and wrist. (ok.. Jack Mehoff probably has wrists some damn hefty wrists.) If I let any space get between us, Jack will likely kick my head clean off my neck. If I try and trade punches with him, he is gonna be wearing my teeth as a necklace after he picks them out of his fist. (I know Jack has some grappling training so realistically a bar stool to his head and some strategic stompin of his groin is about the only thing I would mess with.) But you get the idea.
My brother is a real tactician in TKD.. although not a martial art, but a sport... he puts it to some real good use in a brawl. He is about my height, but heavy. Better than 200 lbs. His appearance is slow and clumsy. He has extremely fast and flexible legs though. By any standard. When a bruiser wants to through hands with him, my bro pushes away, creates a little distance, and WHAM! Your breath smells like Nike. When he and I spar.. I stay close or I get him on the ground. He is stronger than me, but with a little leverage and a couple well placed elbows and I can work him. If I try and stand up with him, and blink... well.. .. I know what dry wall tastes like.

[Trigger]

It's Jack's forearms that you have to be aware of p-)

carrion.

[WARPIG]

Actually, if I saw Jack's ugly mug come snarling up to me, I'd smack him with a rolled up newspaper and rub his nose in it. That generally works.

[TriggerPuller]

A lot of the fellas around here,me included,work everyday in harms way and have to carry alot of gear,same with the kids that are enlisting right now. They dont have a lot of time to get into all the complicated moves and what not. Straight forward no BS that will get you killed kinda moves. It is pretty hard to do any kinda kick to anyone when you got 90-120 lbs on your back or even just regular battle gear makes things very restricted and not ideal like in a dojo. The chance of getting in a H2H confrontation while on the battlefield is very very low but on the street the odds are higher. Ive never been in a street fight where the guy does some fancy high flying TKD kick,I actually would love someone to try it though.

[Jack Mehoff]

Aren't we missing the obvious? I mean, maybe stoli isn't going to get away with a head kick but I could see Jack pulling it off. Not really a way to gage which is best or more realistic unless we have a generic environment, situation, and skill. The area you have to work, and what you're up against is the key, isn't it?
For instance, I don't have the training in TKD or Kickboxing that Jack does. I do some grappling though. Jack looks considerably bigger than I do. I am about 5'10' and 170lbs. I have pretty quick hands but no good flexibility in my legs.
In a bar brawl, assuming Jack doesn't turn to grappling... I'm going to have a bit of an advantage because of the space. I look less intimidating but can take a hit pretty damn well. My "style" of fighting would lead me to sting Jacks face enough to let me get a hold of him. Even though I expect him to be stronger, I'm gonna try and focus on a limb or his neck to make him hurt. If I can get some control of his arm, poor Jacks gonna have some bent up fingers and wrist. (ok.. Jack Mehoff probably has wrists some damn hefty wrists.) If I let any space get between us, Jack will likely kick my head clean off my neck. If I try and trade punches with him, he is gonna be wearing my teeth as a necklace after he picks them out of his fist. (I know Jack has some grappling training so realistically a bar stool to his head and some strategic stompin of his groin is about the only thing I would mess with.) But you get the idea.
My brother is a real tactician in TKD.. although not a martial art, but a sport... he puts it to some real good use in a brawl. He is about my height, but heavy. Better than 200 lbs. His appearance is slow and clumsy. He has extremely fast and flexible legs though. By any standard. When a bruiser wants to through hands with him, my bro pushes away, creates a little distance, and WHAM! Your breath smells like Nike. When he and I spar.. I stay close or I get him on the ground. He is stronger than me, but with a little leverage and a couple well placed elbows and I can work him. If I try and stand up with him, and blink... well.. .. I know what dry wall tastes like.


Don't underestimate a simple kick like round house kick. Legs are alway more powerful and muscular than your upper body and you can turn it into a deadly weapon.

I'll guarantee to send someone to the ER for a facial surgery if I round house kick them in the the face while wearing combat boots or working boots.

[WARPIG]

One thing that grapplers and groundfighters don't think of is the various uses for a kick. I was in a brawl in FT. Bragg on night on the way to a date. I think I cut someone off in my truck and the dude followed me for several lights never more than 6 inches of my bumper. I finally turned into a parking lot to see if he would stop. He was out and up to my window pretty quick. (My plan was to hit him with the door) He wasn't close enough so I let him rant. He was drunk as hell. He starts cursing me and I couldn't help but laugh. He goes quiet..then says something like "I'm gonna kick your ass." It was incoherent so I laughed and said, " What the hell did you just say." he replies, "Did I stumble?" ( he meant did I stutter?) I laughed so hard I didn't notice his fist come into my truck window and land on my cheek. "Did you just punch me?" "That was cute but I'm gonna stomp your bald head in." I get out and the dude squares up to me. I step-behind kicked him back to his own car. My foot hit him in the lower guts and it planted him against the passenger door of his own car. I kicked a couple times in his legs, never going any higher than his hips. He got desperate and went to charge me so I went to the grappling. I went to take him down but the car was in the way. His buddy was trying to get out of that side of the car but I had him pinned in because I was wailing on the dude against the door. Cops showed up. Fight ended.
I could have easily had my ass beaten if the other guy managed to get out of the car. But the kick put the guy off balance and trapped his buddy in. (lucky for me...not planned) You can keep your distance from an opponent with a kick. A pretty strong kick will take the legs out from under a guy. Knees aren't too strong when you stomp down at them.
I am along the same lines of thinking as TriggerPuller, in that I don't see myself trying to jump-spinning-hook some guy when I go hand to hand in full battle-rattle. But some below the knee kicks have some really good use when your opponent has a lot of gear on too.

[Trigger]

Those high, jump-spinning kicks work just fine for me...of course I'm in the 'Matrix' which is where they're meant to be done :D

[farmgirl]

Trigger is right. Sport is sport & fighting (subject control) is a completely different ballgame...Stay safe

Sorry to interrupt, but to clarify: TP is who you were referring to. He's the badass, I'm just a groupie :D

Cheers

Trig Thanks for the kind words there T but Iam neither a badass nor a tough guy!! :D

TP

P.S. I tell the girls iam an Executive assistant and they just look at me and say no way you are an executive assistant,not with an bad attitude like yours!! Jeez cant a guy get a break!! later. lol



You're just misunderstood, huh TP? ;) See.... I knew there was a teddy bear buried in there somehwere. :D

[Jack Mehoff]

I am along the same lines of thinking as TriggerPuller, in that I don't see myself trying to jump-spinning-hook some guy when I go hand to hand in full battle-rattle. But some below the knee kicks have some really good use when your opponent has a lot of gear on too.

What are the chances when you would have to use H2H in a combat situation? I think i'll stick with my rifle, bayonet, e-tool, kevlar if it gets that bad. Everything can be turn into a blunt instrument you know.

My last fight was at a 7-11 store when an anti-war hippy wanted a piece of me because I wore my BDU. It didn't take long for him to lie on the ground unconscious.

[TriggerPuller]

Trigger is right. Sport is sport & fighting (subject control) is a completely different ballgame...Stay safe

Sorry to interrupt, but to clarify: TP is who you were referring to. He's the badass, I'm just a groupie :D

Cheers

Trig Thanks for the kind words there T but Iam neither a badass nor a tough guy!! :D

TP

P.S. I tell the girls iam an Executive assistant and they just look at me and say no way you are an executive assistant,not with an bad attitude like yours!! Jeez cant a guy get a break!! later. lol



You're just misunderstood, huh TP? ;) See.... I knew there was a teddy bear buried in there somehwere. :D you are gonna have to stop this ......people might actually start to think Iam a nice guy! ;)

TP

[farmgirl]

TP wrote:

you are gonna have to stop this ......people might actually start to think Iam a nice guy! ;)

TP


ahhhh but you are..... ;) I cannot tell a lie p-)

[WARPIG]

Actually, I get into a lot of hand to hand combat while in gear... usually during down time in the field. As a leader, you have to keep moral high so a well timed tactical wedgie is sure to get some unarmed combat going in the squad. Combat wedgie is when you try and feed the arms through the holes. A tactical wedgie is when you wrestle the guy to the ground, jerk his shorts out enough to hook over his boot. Kind of like goat roping with out the rope.

[EvanL]

Aren't we missing the obvious? I mean, maybe stoli isn't going to get away with a head kick but I could see Jack pulling it off. Not really a way to gage which is best or more realistic unless we have a generic environment, situation, and skill. The area you have to work, and what you're up against is the key, isn't it?
For instance, I don't have the training in TKD or Kickboxing that Jack does. I do some grappling though. Jack looks considerably bigger than I do. I am about 5'10' and 170lbs. I have pretty quick hands but no good flexibility in my legs.
In a bar brawl, assuming Jack doesn't turn to grappling... I'm going to have a bit of an advantage because of the space. I look less intimidating but can take a hit pretty damn well. My "style" of fighting would lead me to sting Jacks face enough to let me get a hold of him. Even though I expect him to be stronger, I'm gonna try and focus on a limb or his neck to make him hurt. If I can get some control of his arm, poor Jacks gonna have some bent up fingers and wrist. (ok.. Jack Mehoff probably has wrists some damn hefty wrists.) If I let any space get between us, Jack will likely kick my head clean off my neck. If I try and trade punches with him, he is gonna be wearing my teeth as a necklace after he picks them out of his fist. (I know Jack has some grappling training so realistically a bar stool to his head and some strategic stompin of his groin is about the only thing I would mess with.) But you get the idea.
My brother is a real tactician in TKD.. although not a martial art, but a sport... he puts it to some real good use in a brawl. He is about my height, but heavy. Better than 200 lbs. His appearance is slow and clumsy. He has extremely fast and flexible legs though. By any standard. When a bruiser wants to through hands with him, my bro pushes away, creates a little distance, and WHAM! Your breath smells like Nike. When he and I spar.. I stay close or I get him on the ground. He is stronger than me, but with a little leverage and a couple well placed elbows and I can work him. If I try and stand up with him, and blink... well.. .. I know what dry wall tastes like.


Don't underestimate a simple kick like round house kick. Legs are alway more powerful and muscular than your upper body and you can turn it into a deadly weapon.

I'll guarantee to send someone to the ER for a facial surgery if I round house kick them in the the face while wearing combat boots or working boots.
You can break anyones face with boots on. It doesnt take too much effort. Its if you can do it with your bare foot thats impressive.

[WARPIG]

You can break anyones face with boots on. It doesnt take too much effort. Its if you can do it with your bare foot thats impressive. Not really.

[Jack Mehoff]

You can break anyones face with boots on. It doesnt take too much effort. Its if you can do it with your bare foot thats impressive.
It's not that easy to reach a 6'3" guy with a round house kick if you have no training and agility. You'll also have to do it swiftly with power or else he is going to grab your leg and bust your nuts.

[EvanL]

You can break anyones face with boots on. It doesnt take too much effort. Its if you can do it with your bare foot thats impressive.
It's not that easy to reach a 6'3" guy with a round house kick if you have no training and agility. You'll also have to do it swiftly with power or else he is going to grab your leg and bust your nuts.Im talking about you can break anyones face with boots. Not anyone can do a snap kick to someones face with boots and break their face.
Im just merely pointing out that boots have a far greater advantage than sneakers or bare feet.

[WARPIG]

Im talking about you can break anyones face with boots. Not anyone can do a snap kick to someones face with boots and break their face.
Im just merely pointing out that boots have a far greater advantage than sneakers or bare feet.
Oh.. yeah. Like when I got in a fight one time... on Tekken, the guy with the Jackboots would kick you in the face and knock you back to the other side of the screen. What buttons was that?? X,X,> or >,X,X??
I hear you Jack. It really takes some muscle strength and control to put up a good round house with boots and bloused BDU bottoms. I can't do it, nor would I want to. The bloused pants restricts range of motion, and it is too big of a commitment. You miss, or don't have good footing and your gonna end up just falling, getting your nutz stompted, or both. I'm an MP so a good arm lock and some well placed blunt objects in the room will be my best option.

[EvanL]

Im talking about you can break anyones face with boots. Not anyone can do a snap kick to someones face with boots and break their face.
Im just merely pointing out that boots have a far greater advantage than sneakers or bare feet.
Oh.. yeah. Like when I got in a fight one time... on Tekken, the guy with the Jackboots would kick you in the face and knock you back to the other side of the screen. What buttons was that?? X,X,> or >,X,X??I hear you Jack. It really takes some muscle strength and control to put up a good round house with boots and bloused BDU bottoms. I can't do it, nor would I want to. The bloused pants restricts range of motion, and it is too big of a commitment. You miss, or don't have good footing and your gonna end up just falling, getting your nutz stompted, or both. I'm an MP so a good arm lock and some well placed blunt objects in the room will be my best option.
I assume by that comment you doubted my experience. Just so that you do know that i have an idea of what im talking about, i am involved in MMA. Boxing, Jiu-Jitsu, Kickboxing, Grappling and some wrestling.
I have never kicked anyone in the face, with boots or shoes. I was just saying its not hard to break someones bones with boots. It takes skill to kick someone in the face, like i stated earlier on in this thread. But i was merely trying to say that it takes a hell of a lot more skill to break someones face when you kick them.

[ibstolidude]

The bloused pants restricts range of motion, and it is too big of a commitment. That would mean they are tucked in. Bloused = not tucked in.

ie draw strings.

[Vance]

When I was in Karate awhile ago (I was about 12) I went up against Master Fillmore, who is about 6' (I was around 5'3). I tried to do a high kick to the head, and his head was so far from my right kicking leg that my left leg came out from under me and I landed smack on my left knee. Hurt like a bitch, I didn't do any head kicks after that...

[Jack Mehoff]

The bloused pants restricts range of motion, and it is too big of a commitment. That would mean they are tucked in. Bloused = not tucked in.

ie draw strings.

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[ibstolidude]

I used to use those - now I don't give **** and just tie my ****.

But then the last time some other ass'd up unit's CSM asked me question like "Son, I take it you know where the barber is located."
My reply was, "Sorry, SGM I ain't from here. You need to ask someone else." and kept walking. Later I found out my Det OIC was standing about 5 ft behind me and heared the exchange. They have retold the story about 100 times in laughter. I mean "Hey I had **** to do."

But hey what can I say, I am a ****-bag.

[Romulus]

But hey what can I say, I am ****-bag.

rofl

[Shake n Bake]

someone please tell me the name of the song used in the video.


Thanks

[Rinkka]

someone please tell me the name of the song used in the video.


Thanks

Guano Apes - Open Your Eyes

[Shake n Bake]

Good ****! thanks man

[budanski]

Hey! Its Dragonball Z! (http://media.skoopy.com/vids/vid_00135.wmv) ;)