Islamic Extremists

[vikingblade]

I have a few thoughts I would like to share.

The hardline muslim extremist groups and their spiritual leader clerics are a dangerous, growing cancer that seriously threatens the free world. If not stopped, they will continue to grow. Radical action is the only option. They will never stop, they do not seek peace, or understanding, or freedom, or even a free palastine. They want an EXTREME GLOBAL ISLAM. GLOBAL! Worldwide Conquest.

Their bull**** about the evil imperialist us, israel and the west is a big scam to disguise their true ambition. I am so tired of hearing them claim that the US wants to wipe out Islam. These clerics use this crap to recruit new extremists to their movement and make them believe they are part of a holy war against the western satan. It would be laughable if it wasnt so serious.

IF THE US, ISRAEL, AND BRITAN WANTED TO WAGE WAR ON ISLAM, IT COULD...BIG TIME. What do you think would happen to Palastine if Israel decided to go all out, no holding back. The way Hamas fights. NO MORE PALASTINE. The west could bring Islam to its knees, if it wanted to be ruthless. We are not targeting islam.... thats their propaganda. But how to fight this growing menace without killing innocents.

Heres how... Target and Kill every muslim extremist cleric. Shut down their schools. They are outspoken, they are known. ASSASSINATE their Ass. and when another steps up to take their place...waste him too. Track them, find them, kill them. on and on. Eventually, it will be understood if you preach and recruit extremist islam....you die. Its either kill em now or kill em when they are millions strong. Difficult, but what else is gonna work...politics...hhhaaaa. You cannot reason and deal with a fanatical, extremist, religous group of terrorists. Their goal is worldwide domination.

The bottom line is this stuff is taught. There is alot of places where this **** is childrens only schooling! If this brainwashing in the guise of religon isnt stopped, it will never end. This is not islam we are attacking. it is an evil, ugly cancer... hiding behind, using and distorting an otherwise peacful religion. It needs to be exterminated before it spreads more. otherwise, the future is looking bloody.

[radon]

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Im happy someone finally noticed it...


A question to think about:

How come that there are so many conflincts involving Islamic nation vs Other side with no Solution ( For exmple: Israel-Palastine, Russia-Chechens, Pakistan-India, Serbia and so on.. )

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if it were that straight forward they would be doing it.

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I dont think that this thread is about ***...

[n_shanygin]

All dirty terrorist muslim dogs must die.

[George W. Bush]

I am so glad that such a large movement exists for the sole purpose of human target practice for Americans and other priviledges nations.

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I dont think that this thread is about ***...

you started it

[S-A-S]

kill them all i ****ing say do we wont them in this world no Not me .. am in the army ok just got back from iraq Its all ****ed up all off them wont to kill u SAying that i got 3 off them lmao :fork:

[chauncy republicans]

kill them all i f*** say do we wont them in this world no Not me .. am in the army ok just got back from iraq Its all f*** up all off them wont to kill u SAying that i got 3 off them lmao :fork:
I dont want people like you in this world! That still does not give me the RIGHT to murder you!

[Irish]

Why not kill all Christians - after all, they invaded and sacked what were Muslim lands and killed so many muslims 800 years ago... Don't blame an entire religion for the sicks deed of a few - and before any of you guys start flaming me for this, I am a Christian. There are Chrisatian extremists in the world too same as any other religion.

I'm new to his forum but have been watching the posts for a while and felt it was time to throw my two cents in....

The world is not as black and white as some of you think

[AK-Lover]

What we need is another world wide cruasade against the mounting deceit,danger and evil of islam. Death To Islam! :bash: :bash:

[Caraway]

All dirty terrorist muslim dogs must die.

All those things except muslims apply to you Russians. Chechens have right to defend their country against bastards that attacked them. Grow up kid. :bash:

[gaz]

kill them all i f*** say do we wont them in this world no Not me .. am in the army ok just got back from iraq Its all f*** up all off them wont to kill u SAying that i got 3 off them lmao :fork:

I find it very difficult to believe you could pass the minimum intelligence level for any Army in the world.

[Truthsayer]

Why not kill all Christians - after all, they invaded and sacked what were Muslim lands and killed so many muslims 800 years ago... Don't blame an entire religion for the sicks deed of a few - and before any of you guys start flaming me for this, I am a Christian. There are Chrisatian extremists in the world too same as any other religion.

I'm new to his forum but have been watching the posts for a while and felt it was time to throw my two cents in....

The world is not as black and white as some of you think

Amen to that!

// A right-wing, christian, blond, blue-eyed hetero****** and married viking that gets labeled as an left-wing, commie-pinko, gay, terrorist-loving muslim-hugger on this forum.

[Haiw]

AK-lover and S-A-S would make a great couple...

[AK-Lover]

WTF is you're guys problem!? I'll see how much you love the muslims when you have to pray 6times a day and can't drink booze! :bash: :(

[TALOS]

kill them all i f*** say do we wont them in this world no Not me .. am in the army ok just got back from iraq Its all f*** up all off them wont to kill u SAying that i got 3 off them lmao :fork:
I dont want people like you in this world! That still does not give me the RIGHT to murder you!
Wow, I think this got way off the intended point.
This is not about killing all muslims islams or any other religion.
What Viking said was target those who spread lies and foment hostility such as the clerics in the madrasses.
If they teach true islam there would be no violence, these clerics teach hate not love. What Viking said is target the instigators and I for one agree.

[gaz]

AK lover, you do realise not all Muslims are terorists right?

You do realise there are Muslims serving in the Armed Forces of countries like the United States, the UK, Canada and Australia?

They're willing to protect you with their lives so shut the **** up.

[Irish]

AK How many Muslims do you know or have ever take the time to find out more about?

How about we take the attitude that anyone who is not blond haired and bluey eyed is not a proper person and loses their rights purely because that do not meet some other extremists criteria of what is acceptable?

Don't misunderestimate me (as Dubya would say) the extremst Muslims who carry out acts of mindless violence live by tthe sword and shoule die by the sword but hating someone mindlessly is surely agains the basis tenets of all the major religions....

[AK-Lover]

Yes I have actually met alot of muslim people and even bunked with a few. That's one of the reasons it made me dislike them more, this asshole had special rights and had sandwiches made for him to go on patrol for RCAC advanced marksmanship course at Vernon because he said he couldn't eat pork or some **** like that. we couldn't say anything about him or talk about war in A-Stan or Iraq because he'd report us to the officers for racial discrimination. So after four weeks I couldn't take it anymore and told him to go take that koron and shove it up his ass! :P :lol: I was immediatly RTU'd and discharged from my unit. :backhand:

[TALOS]

How about we take the attitude that anyone who is not blond haired and bluey eyed is not a proper person and loses their rights purely because that do not meet some other extremists criteria of what is acceptable?


If you are goin to make a point, how about you only add things they actually said. I never saw anywhere where ak said anything about blonde blue eyed people.

[gaz]

If you are goin to make a point, how about you only add things they actually said. I never saw anywhere where ak said anything about blonde blue eyed people.

Irish never suggested anyone said anything about blonde haired blue eyed people, he was making a fictional point which was perfectly clear to me or presumably anyone else that read his post properly.

[AK-Lover]

proved wrong AGAIN guys! :D

[kuttless]

Irish wrote [/quote] There are Chirstian extremists
I have not seen any Chirstian extremists fly any hijacked planes into buildings full of innocent people.

[California Joe]

Your first mistake was in assuming the poster possessed a certain level of reading comprehension. Say 3rd grade.

[Jacko]

So, for the folks who just want to kill the extremist clerics/teachers, ever heard of the word 'martyr'?

[Irish]

Talos, I was not picking specifics, just trying to illustrate a point that if you go down the road of using a generalisation and tarring everyone with same brush it is only gonna be turn what were moderates in hardened and more entrenched attitudes.

[TALOS]

So, for the folks who just want to kill the extremist clerics/teachers, ever heard of the word 'martyr'?

mmmm yes, and that is a very potent point

[gaz]

Irish wrote There are Chirstian extremists
I have not seen any Chirstian extremists fly any hijacked planes into buildings full of innocent people.

No but there are Christian extremists who bomb abortion clinics.

[TALOS]

If you are goin to make a point, how about you only add things they actually said. I never saw anywhere where ak said anything about blonde blue eyed people.

Irish never suggested anyone said anything about blonde haired blue eyed people, he was making a fictional point which was perfectly clear to me or presumably anyone else that read his post properly.
But his comment was to try and draw a parrallel to nazis with a point or comment that wasnt in AK's post. I see it happen all the time here. I dont agree with eliminating all muslims but I dont like seeing people make statements that arent even in the points of the other posters

[TALOS]

Irish wrote There are Chirstian extremists
I have not seen any Chirstian extremists fly any hijacked planes into buildings full of innocent people.

No but there are Christian extremists who bomb abortion clinics.
True, and I bet you wouldnt support or defend those extremists would you? Attacking the criminally extreme elements of any movement is good IMHO.

[gaz]

I understand your point but disagree with it. AK lover wants to exterminate Moslems, Nazis wanted to exterminate Jews.

Personally I think that makes for an excellent comparison.

[Irish]

OK so - how about all the right handed people suddenly decide that all left handed people are by being different, not good enough

To AK: would you have got so worked up if a vegetarian had been given a special diet because of their belief as well...

[TALOS]

Talos, I was not picking specifics, just trying to illustrate a point that if you go down the road of using a generalisation and tarring everyone with same brush it is only gonna be turn what were moderates in hardened and more entrenched attitudes.
Irish, I never saw your post here until I came back to page 2...
Sorry if I sounded critical which I was being. I understood your point but was under the impression you were insinuating that the blonde blue eyed concept was AK's with your post.

[gaz]

Irish wrote There are Chirstian extremists
I have not seen any Chirstian extremists fly any hijacked planes into buildings full of innocent people.

No but there are Christian extremists who bomb abortion clinics.
True, and I bet you wouldnt support or defend those extremists would you? Attacking the criminally extreme elements of any movement is good IMHO.

Of course I wouldn't defend them just as I don't defend Moslem extremists. On a related note I also don't comdemn Christians as a whole because of abortion clinic bombers much the same as I don't condemn all Moslems because of Hamas.

[California Joe]

Quit being logical.

[TALOS]

I understand your point but disagree with it. AK lover wants to exterminate Moslems, Nazis wanted to exterminate Jews.

Personally I think that makes for an excellent comparison.
Hmmm... ok ... I see your point there... I was splitting hairs I guess

[RomanS]

AK lover, you do realise not all Muslims are terorists right?

You do realise there are Muslims serving in the Armed Forces of countries like the United States, the UK, Canada and Australia?

They're willing to protect you with their lives so shut the f*** up.

Of course there are plenty of good muslims in USA's army.
Here is one that is bad though

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-22-war-kuwait-attack_x.htm

[TALOS]

Irish wrote There are Chirstian extremists
I have not seen any Chirstian extremists fly any hijacked planes into buildings full of innocent people.

No but there are Christian extremists who bomb abortion clinics.
True, and I bet you wouldnt support or defend those extremists would you? Attacking the criminally extreme elements of any movement is good IMHO.

Of course I wouldn't defend them just as I don't defend Moslem extremists. On a related note I also don't comdemn Christians as a whole because of abortion clinic bombers much the same as I don't condemn all Moslems because of Hamas.
Good, cuz I find a lot of peeps here who do condemn all christians or anyone who believes in God.
I personally condemn all violently extreme groups regardless of belief.

[Irish]

Hey Talos, no worries....it's hard to pick up on all the coming and goings of a discussion of these forums sometimes...

[TALOS]

Hey Talos, no worries....it's hard to pick up on all the coming and goings of a discussion of these forums sometimes...
Too true, by the time I get down on the page what I want to say I have missed two or three posts... :oops:

[Haiw]

AK lover, you do realise not all Muslims are terorists right?

You do realise there are Muslims serving in the Armed Forces of countries like the United States, the UK, Canada and Australia?

They're willing to protect you with their lives so shut the f*** up.

Of course there are plenty of good muslims in USA's army.
Here is one that is bad though

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-22-war-kuwait-attack_x.htm
:roll:

[RomanS]

Can someone PLEASE HELP ME TO IDENTIFY a bad islamic terrorist?

Like during the Cold War one side had a Red Star, hammer and sickle, and the other had an eagle. So it was obvious to tell who is who.

Now I am a little bit confused on todays events. Someone please help me to identify the bad guys.

Like looks, religios believes, different covers on their bibles/korans, maybe even insignia, weapons, churches/mosques.

Any great input on how to identify a bad muslim in a crowd of bad ones. Of course before the bad one blows him/her self up, or hijacks the plane, or takes a hostage.

I will appreciate it a lot, thanks

NO FLAME HERE, all serious.

[gaz]

Quit being logical.

Logic is a bastard.

PermskiiOMON, you're right, he was bad, however it wouldn't be too hard for me to find a link to William Calley, a Christian who served in the United States Army and led the murder of hundreds of civilians at My Lai. Does that mean all Christians are evil? Of course not.

[5jumpchump]

I wasn't even going to touch this thread but here it goes . All this " there are Christian extremists too " **** is nothing but an excuse . Name ONE Christian extremist group that is world wide . Name one Christian extremist group that has called for a world wide crusade against Islam .
Name one Christian extremist group that is in a Muslim country blowing up civilians on buses , cafes , and the malls . Name just one .

[RomanS]

AK lover, you do realise not all Muslims are terorists right?

You do realise there are Muslims serving in the Armed Forces of countries like the United States, the UK, Canada and Australia?

They're willing to protect you with their lives so shut the f*** up.

Of course there are plenty of good muslims in USA's army.
Here is one that is bad though

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-22-war-kuwait-attack_x.htm
:roll:

another unreliabale source? Or false event?
what is the rolling eyes face for?

[Irish]

YOu identify a "bad" Muslim or a bad any other type with good intelligence

The world has got a lot more compilicated since 1989

[Haiw]

Because it's so predictable... it was a totally irrelevant post which had "**** muslims" painted all over it.

[kuttless]

Gaz said there are Chirstian extremists who bomb abortion clinics you are rigth thanks for pointing that out to me. Terror is terror and it is all wrong ;)

[gaz]

I wasn't even going to touch this thread but here it goes . All this " there are Christian extremists too " **** is nothing but an excuse . Name ONE Christian extremist group that is world wide . Name one Christian extremist group that has called for a world wide crusade against Islam .
Name one Christian extremist group that is in a Muslim country blowing up civilians on buses , cafes , and the malls . Name just one .

To my knowledge there isn't one, but in my eyes it doesn't make the ones that do exist any lesser than their Moslem counterparts.

A murderer is a murderer - the religion, race or size of his group makes no difference. He's still a murderer.

[RomanS]

YOu identify a "bad" Muslim or a bad any other type with good intelligence

The world has got a lot more compilicated since 1989
Bravo!

You want me to identify one? I seriously can't anymore. They are affraid to come out one on one, gun on gun, tank on tank. They hide between the legs of women, and shield themselves with religion.

So what is the difference between peacful muslim civilian, and a terrorist before the act?

[Irish]

THe sad truth is the terrorism cannot be defeated by conventional military means - it takes a change in thinking on both sides to move to a compromise. And that means that the extremists - on both sides - are either made to adapt their way of thinking or sidelines.

Look at Northern Ireland...South Africa...Western Sahara....

[Haiw]

YOu identify a "bad" Muslim or a bad any other type with good intelligence

The world has got a lot more compilicated since 1989
Bravo!

You want me to identify one? I seriously can't anymore. They are affraid to come out one on one, gun on gun, tank on tank. They hide between the legs of women, and shield themselves with religion.

So what is the difference between peacful muslim civilian, and a terrorist before the act?
Well there IS a difference between a peacefull muslim civilian and a terrorist before they act, which is their mindset, their intentions, and what they think. Sadly enough you can't see that from the outside. But what are you implying? Are you saying that we should just 'play safe' and kill all muslims, just to be sure?

[StukaJr]

Irish:
THe sad truth is the terrorism cannot be defeated by conventional military means - it takes a change in thinking on both sides to move to a compromise. And that means that the extremists - on both sides - are either made to adapt their way of thinking or sidelines.

Look at Northern Ireland...South Africa...Western Sahara....

In combat situation, if another person is actively trying to kill you, do you:

a) Kill him first

b) Wait for a change in thinking on both sides to move to a compromise

c) Make Lemonade

[RomanS]

I wasn't even going to touch this thread but here it goes . All this " there are Christian extremists too " **** is nothing but an excuse . Name ONE Christian extremist group that is world wide . Name one Christian extremist group that has called for a world wide crusade against Islam .
Name one Christian extremist group that is in a Muslim country blowing up civilians on buses , cafes , and the malls . Name just one .

To my knowledge there isn't one, but in my eyes it doesn't make the ones that do exist any lesser than their Moslem counterparts.

A murderer is a murderer - the religion, race or size of his group makes no difference. He's still a murderer.

But it seems like sometimes you can get away with terrorism, if you use religion and fight for your freedom as your cover.

In example,
If we would drop all the religions, and make it illegal to praise, and worship something or someone that hasen't been proved to exist. And instead live for our kids, future, believing and trusting in science, concentrating on comfort of our lives.

So the next time someone kills someone in the name of whoever/whatever that doesnt exist - will be treated as a stinky murderer. Plus it will be a lot easier to find that murderer in the crowd if he tried to blend in with the others. Accept there are no more others like him, that worship, and praise the whoever/whatever. Since now he can't hide behind the holly book, he will be sticking out of the crowd like nail out of the board.

In other words, if you would kill someone, you will stand in the court as a killer. How are you going to tell the judge that you killed a guy because he doesn't believe in your God, or he eats pork and listents to music, and only has one wife and shaves everyday.

The world needs to have the same judging system, laws and rules. Different religions drive people into bloody wars.

[XASA]

Well, I think those who are arguing for a war against all Muslims because of the actions of some need to get a grip on reality by checking out the numbers involved:

Number of Muslims in the world:
Estimates of the total number of Muslims in the world vary greatly:

0.700 billion or more, Barnes & Noble Encyclopedia 1993
0.817 billion, The Universal Almanac (1996)
0.951 billion, The Cambridge Factfinder (1993)
1.100 billion, The World Almanac (1997)
1.200 billion, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic relations)

At a level of 1.2 billion, they represent about 22% of the world's population. They are the second largest religion in the world. Only Christianity is larger, with 33% of the world's inhabitants.

Islam is growing about 2.9% per year. This is faster than the total world population which increases about 2.3% annually. It is thus attracting a progressively larger percentage of the world's population

Perhaps our Muslim-hating forum members can come up with a better solution to terrorism because their blatant hatred certainly won't solve the problem.

[Haiw]

Irish:
THe sad truth is the terrorism cannot be defeated by conventional military means - it takes a change in thinking on both sides to move to a compromise. And that means that the extremists - on both sides - are either made to adapt their way of thinking or sidelines.

Look at Northern Ireland...South Africa...Western Sahara....

In combat situation, if another person is actively trying to kill you, do you:

a) Kill him first

b) Wait for a change in thinking on both sides to move to a compromise

c) Make Lemonade
If a growing group of people is trying to kill you do you:

a) start killing people and hope to be able to stop the increasing group

b) try and make sure that group doesn't grow, and then get rid of that group.

c) make lemonade

[Irish]

If you say that someone is point a weapon at me and is a threat to me,well geee... I think I'll make leomonade....

Come on, get real! I am talking about the leaders who make the strategic decisions.

[RomanS]

Think everyone in the world as one religion, or no religion at all.

It is much easier to control, respect and live in the same understanding, than try to understand 100 and respect a 1000 different things at once.

[gaz]

PermskiiOMON, I understand your point, but don't entirely agree with it.

I am not a religious person, however, I respect the right of other people to be religious as long as it does not infringe upon the way I live my life.

Moslems and Christians as a whole do not affect the way I live my life so I haven't got a problem with them in the slightest. Muslem extremists want to kill me therefore I have a problem with them and will be happier when they are dead.

If Buddhist extremists wanted me dead then I'd be happier if they were killed too but I don't care about normal Buddhists who go about their lives without doing anything to affect me in a way I consider to be hostile, you can insert any religion or political view you like instead of Bhuddists.

[StukaJr]

Haiw:

If a growing group of people is trying to kill you do you:

a) start killing people responcible for the attack on your group/freedoms and hope to be able to stop the increasing group

b) try and make sure that group doesn't grow, and then get rid of that group.

c) make lemonade

Answer:

a) start killing people and hope to be able to stop the increasing group from killing your group

That's why when armed man comes to your house and threatens your family - you "disable the threat", "shoot multiple times in the center of mass"... Is that a foreign to you concept?

Personally, I'm tolerant of any particular group as long as they are not bent on killing me personally (basic survival instinct) or people I choose to care about - friends, family etc. In the choice of two evils - I choose the lesser evil. Finito!

[RomanS]

Terrorism is a result of religios privilege.

The weak ones but with brains understand that winning a conventional war against a huge superpower is simply impossible.

Since you are already deep in the blood, you can only commit suicide or keep on going till the end. Surrendering will result in a failure, humiliation and a total defeat.

Terrorists understand that, and are choosing to stay in the game. They spread the word about their beliefs to others, and commit horrible acts of terror on those who can't fight back.

The big power answers back with power, goes out hunting for the terrorists. Nothing changes, more people dead, more people pissed.

There are 2 ways that we can take. Sit down with the world, and agree to cancel the religion completely. It will hurt many others who haven't commited the religious crimes, but in a long run, we shall be equally in the same spirit of peace.

This way if the conflict breaks out, we come out with the same believes, same understanding, and communicating should be a lot easier.

Or keep going like we're going now. For the next 1000 years with the way we're going, peace will not settle on the Earth.

[Irish]

Perm, a fine idea, but who decides what beliefs are acceptable...

[gaz]

Personally, I'm tolerant of any particular group as long as they are not bent on killing me personally (basic survival instinct) or people I choose to care about - friends, family etc. In the choice of two evils - I choose the lesser evil. Finito!

You have my complete agreement.

PermskiiOMON, I'm sorry but we'll simply have to agree to disagree on this subject. I for one would rather live in a world where someone wishes to kill me because of their religion than live in a world where I'm told what I can and cannot think.

[StukaJr]

Well, is a particular human being commiting murder(s) of other human beings simply for not following/converting to the particular religion?

Is particular individual willing to share territory with someone of different religion?

Defenition of "extremist" is not that vague - I'm not sure what the problem here is. Dealing with extremists is the hard part - ignoring them apparently was proven not to work in the rescent history... cough cough!

[Ichhabe]

PermskiiOMON said:


Since you are already deep in the blood, you can only commit suicide or keep on going till the end. Surrendering will result in a failure, humiliation and a total defeat.

(Bring out the German within when reading this)
As an officer and a gentleman, you will be looking forward to a quick and noble death. But, instead, an even worse fate awaits you. Tomorrow, you will be taken back to Germany to a convent school, outside Heidelberg, where you will spend the rest of the war teaching the young girls home economics.

[RomanS]

Perm, a fine idea, but who decides what beliefs are acceptable...

Why believe and prepare for the afterlife, if we are still here and have no idea what is the AFTERWORLD?

So like i said, we shouldnt believe in GOD, instead lets just be our own GODS on this planet.

[RomanS]

Personally, I'm tolerant of any particular group as long as they are not bent on killing me personally (basic survival instinct) or people I choose to care about - friends, family etc. In the choice of two evils - I choose the lesser evil. Finito!

You have my complete agreement.

PermskiiOMON, I'm sorry but we'll simply have to agree to disagree on this subject. I for one would rather live in a world where someone wishes to kill me because of their religion than live in a world where I'm told what I can and cannot think.

You can think about anything you want.

Its just killing the innocent is illegal, and we still don't respect this law today.

[RomanS]

With all the money we spent on wars, we could of spend it on science.

Yesterday we maped DNA and Blueprinted our brains

Today we synthetically grow human bodies

Tomorrow we will be able to live thousands of years, changing hosts when we wish to.

Think about transfering your memory, senses into a new fresh body.

Don't tell me you don't want to live for thousands of years. So many toys to play with today, so many inventions to try, so little time - SO MANY WARS.

[to free the oppressed]

"Islam has replaced 'communism' as the major threat to world peace in our time. It needs to be treated much harsher, because of the insidious nature of its doctrine and belief system that requires US and Russia to convert or die!"
I believe I needed to say that. Anyways fu*k Islam, terrorits, and all of those other ****ty muslim countries.

[von_Moo142]

Edited, to make the sentance I wrote about drinking mean what I wanted it to in the first place. Sorry :-)

I really didn't want to post in this thread, and I have a starange feeling that it will still be pointless. Oh well...

I'm using AK-Lovers quotes, but what I have to say is relevent to a few more of you.


The people who we call Islamic extremists are no more Islamic than Koresh was a good Christian. The Taliban are no more Muslim than the Inquisition were Catholic. We use stupid lables which are confusing and offensive.



I'll see how much you love the muslims when you have to pray 6times a day and can't drink booze!

In the past few years I have worked with, and sometimes shared accomodation with, a whole bunch of people who also happened to be Muslims. People from the UK, Indonesia, Yemen, Sirya, the UAE, and other places. I even know I guy who's ethnicity can only be decribed as Anglo-Saxon who converted to Islam a couple of years ago.

They were all normal people, pretty much like the Christians an Jews who I've known in the past too. Whilst I'm not very religious myself (agnostic, I think), I consider it a normal thing for people to have faith in a religion (or not).

None of the Muslims that I have known had a problem with others drinking, and some have even adopted a more open rule on drink (i.e. they didn't mind ocasionaly drinking one beer, as this does not lead to intoxication). None were judgemental, intolerant or sexist, which is more than I can say for some others. Many would often come to the pub, and some would even get people a round of snack food, so as to be sociable without compromising thier beliefs.

Furthermore, none tried to force thier political beliefs on me. And those who were foriegners were polite enough to not condemn the actions of my country and its allies when we were doing things which might not have met with the approval of the majority in thier home nations.



Yes I have actually met alot of muslim people and even bunked with a few. That's one of the reasons it made me dislike them more, this asshole had special rights and had sandwiches made for him to go on patrol for RCAC advanced marksmanship course at Vernon because he said he couldn't eat pork or some **** like that.

You've met lots, bunked with a few, but you base your judgement of millions on one?

It's not a special right in this day and age. If he wasn't allowed to comply with his religion, he couldn't join the forces. If he was Christian or Jewish he would have his religion catered for, no pun intended ;-) .

[von_Moo142]

With all the money we spent on wars, we could of spend it on science.

Yesterday we maped DNA and Blueprinted our brains

Today we synthetically grow human bodies



This is quite interesting actually.

The thing with the human genome project is understanding it all. And we are very far from that goal. It's a masive amount of data to sift through.

DNA is just a chemical afterall, and all it does is control how other chemicals react.

We don't have too many ideas regarding all the "junk" DNA either.

We can already grow some simple body parts on animals, it gets more difficult when more than one tissue type is involved though. I'm sure everyone has seen that photo of the human ear growing on a mouse. Thats not so hard to actually do.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

First of all I'll say this...

HATE WILL PRODUCE HATE...

Now lets break down what is terrorism. Terrorism is used on many instances for a group to gain attention to there cause, to cause fear in public, to hurt or cause damage to ones economy and to kill people/instill fear (wether the targets are innocent or not).

Terrorism is a form of Guirella warfare taken to an extremity, there is no care for the civillains since most instances the terrorist acts are done outside of there own country.

Now with that being said lets get into what is an "extremist".

My definition of an exteremist is anyone who takes any belief or though over the edge by trying to force it oon others. Most extremists recruit like gangs, they look for the poor people who dont have much of an outlook on there life or the lives of others. They give the person support, wether it be money, food or a house over there head. They feel apart of a "family" in a way, and will do almost anything to protect the "family".

This usually starts out at a very young age when the person is most easily able to be influenced, they start teaching it to them in schools and this becomes "normal behaviour" for them. They are taught to hate, regardless of there own beliefs (which at that point would be intergrated into the beliefs of the "family"...i use that term loosely just to use as an example). The family usually gives the person a sense of pride and being, it gives them something to live for and unfortuneatly die for. They will do anything at this point that the family asks, even kill themselves and or others.

These can be applied to any form of belief, religion, cult ect. Its all the same in the end. If you are taught to hate you will always hate, seeing others also hate back gives them a reason to even more.

Extremists and terrorism go hand in hand, since thats the most effective way to instill fear and get there point across.

Just my thoughts on the whole deal...
the bastardchild

[SeanAshi]

Pay back Saudi Arabia by flooding their country with **** and fast food. And make sodomy legal in the kingdom woot j/j

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

And make sodomy legal in the kingdom woot j/jYeah and we can send you over so the Saudi Prince's can get a bit of practice, my little Gimp. :)

[obd]

You know I think radical Islam is a threat just as much as the next guy. But I also think radical nazi scum like AK_lover are just as big a threat as radical Islam. Ak lover, I hope you realize that the Jewish people you so often defend also do not eat pork. But I guess thats ok since they are jewish and it only becomes a huge annoyance that gets you kicked out of your unit when its a Muslum. The fact that you got kicked out of a Serbian army unit for being too radical is actually the funniest thing I have heard in a long long long time Ak lover. Thanks for the good laugh and keep up being a racists fascist nazi pig bastard. It makes my life all the more enjoyable.......

[George W. Bush]

You know I think radical Islam is a threat just as much as the next guy. But I also think radical nazi scum like AK_lover are just as big a threat as radical Islam. Ak lover, I hope you realize that the Jewish people you so often defend also do not eat pork. But I guess thats ok since they are jewish and it only becomes a huge annoyance that gets you kicked out of your unit when its a Muslum. The fact that you got kicked out of a Serbian army unit for being too radical is actually the funniest thing I have heard in a long long long time Ak lover. Thanks for the good laugh and keep up being a racists fascist nazi pig bastard. It makes my life all the more enjoyable.......

Can you read? He wrote that he was discharged from the Canadian military. What is really amazing about his story is that Canada allows retards to enlist in their military.

[obd]

woops my bad. I was speed reeding his post. I assumed he was talking about Serbian military.

[16 OBr SpN]

Why do you people have to generalize the whole religion of Islam into being a terrorist?!

Indeed, the Middle East has become a cancer of this planet. But the reason behind it is not the religion! It's the Arab leaders, and they are actually much worse than "communist despots"! During communism in Soviet Union, people at least had a good education, and high level of culture! Take a look at the Arab world now! The Arabs made their valuable unput to the whole civilization, but the regimes of those countries brought the scientific and cultural development to a complete halt!!
What do people do when they live under oppressive regimes? They look for the guilty ones: Israel, Russia, USA, etc.! The development vacuum quickly got filled with the fundamentalist movements!
As for their leaders, they don't give a **** as long as their Western "allies" buy their oil, and keep the status quo.

PermskiiOMON, please further refrain from your irrational and disrespectful statements!
I personally know guys of different nationalities: Tatars, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Dagestanis, even Chechens, who spilled their blood for the Soviet Union/Russia, in Afghanistan and Chechnya. The guy who carried me on his back when I was wounded was the Tajik. Some of my friends from the "Muslim Batallion" live in Russia right now, and they are the true patriots of our country.

The enemies against whom I fought were mostly Muslims, but you don't see me generalizing!

There are scumbags among each religion or ethnicity, and I personally don't see a difference, whether he's a Muslim or a Christian.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[SeanAshi]

Yeah and we can send you over so the Saudi Prince's can get a bit of practice, my little Gimp.Not without dinner and a movie first.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

The fact that you got kicked out of a Serbian army unit for being too radical is actually the funniest thing I have heard in a long long long time Ak lover.
Replace "radical" with unstable. :)

[ShadowNeo]

Replace "radical" with unstable.

Or possibly clinically insane :D

[WolverineBlue]

Send me! I'm a Chelsea supporter!

[army cadet_ngcsu]

Islamic terrorism is truly a world epidemic. They spread their hate everywhere and it knows no bounds. These people are ruthless and do not care about others and for their own lives as well.

All around the world 100,000's are being slaughtered everywhere. In places like Chechnya, Dhagestan, Sri Lanka, Kashmir, East Timor, Southern Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Egypt (the Christian Copts are oppressed there), etc. Muslims are waging holy wars of bull ****.

The free world needs to stand up for what is right and stop pussy footing with these assholes. They're not going to stop until they nuke Moscow, New York, Tel Aviv, or London and millions die. They're ruthless and do not care about this world, but only the afterlife.

Hell, they even kill each other. The Sunnis hate the Shi'ites and the Turks hate the Kurds and the Uzbeks don't like the Kalmichs, etc. These people love to start fights (especially ones they can't win). We need to send that whole **** hole into a giant recession and stop importing oil, cause other than that, they only have rugs and apricots to sell.

[Argyll]

Why do you people have to generalize the whole religion of Islam into being a terrorist?!

Indeed, the Middle East has become a cancer of this planet. But the reason behind it is not the religion! It's the Arab leaders, and they are actually much worse than "communist despots"! During communism in Soviet Union, people at least had a good education, and high level of culture! Take a look at the Arab world now! The Arabs made their valuable unput to the whole civilization, but the regimes of those countries brought the scientific and cultural development to a complete halt!!
What do people do when they live under oppressive regimes? They look for the guilty ones: Israel, Russia, USA, etc.! The development vacuum quickly got filled with the fundamentalist movements!
As for their leaders, they don't give a f*** as long as their Western "allies" buy their oil, and keep the status quo.

PermskiiOMON, please further refrain from your irrational and disrespectful statements!
I personally know guys of different nationalities: Tatars, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Dagestanis, even Chechens, who spilled their blood for the Soviet Union/Russia, in Afghanistan and Chechnya. The guy who carried me on his back when I was wounded was the Tajik. Some of my friends from the "Muslim Batallion" live in Russia right now, and they are the true patriots of our country.

The enemies against whom I fought were mostly Muslims, but you don't see me generalizing!

There are scumbags among each religion or ethnicity, and I personally don't see a difference, whether he's a Muslim or a Christian.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

As always..........a well thought out response..... ;)

[S-A-S]

kill them all i f*** say do we wont them in this world no Not me .. am in the army ok just got back from iraq Its all f*** up all off them wont to kill u SAying that i got 3 off them lmao :fork:

I find it very difficult to believe you could pass the minimum intelligence level for any Army in the world. do i look like am from usa Now way man not me 100% uk

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Why do you people have to generalize the whole religion of Islam into being a terrorist?!

Indeed, the Middle East has become a cancer of this planet. But the reason behind it is not the religion! It's the Arab leaders, and they are actually much worse than "communist despots"! During communism in Soviet Union, people at least had a good education, and high level of culture! Take a look at the Arab world now! The Arabs made their valuable unput to the whole civilization, but the regimes of those countries brought the scientific and cultural development to a complete halt!!
What do people do when they live under oppressive regimes? They look for the guilty ones: Israel, Russia, USA, etc.! The development vacuum quickly got filled with the fundamentalist movements!
As for their leaders, they don't give a f*** as long as their Western "allies" buy their oil, and keep the status quo.

PermskiiOMON, please further refrain from your irrational and disrespectful statements!
I personally know guys of different nationalities: Tatars, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Dagestanis, even Chechens, who spilled their blood for the Soviet Union/Russia, in Afghanistan and Chechnya. The guy who carried me on his back when I was wounded was the Tajik. Some of my friends from the "Muslim Batallion" live in Russia right now, and they are the true patriots of our country.

The enemies against whom I fought were mostly Muslims, but you don't see me generalizing!

There are scumbags among each religion or ethnicity, and I personally don't see a difference, whether he's a Muslim or a Christian.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

Totally agree OBr, couldnt agree more. Too bad not many people see it our way....

[RomanS]

16 OBR if you would read my last posts, I clearly say that we need to quit the religion completely.

I don't want to generalize the entire populations anymore.

If we keep going like we are going right now, than we aren't getting far. We will keep loosing thousands of people to terrorism and wars. I hope that my great great great grand kids will be alive to enjoy their future.

Yesterday the numbers were in hundreds
Today in the thousands
Tomorrow victims will be in the millions

What is your opinion on how can we solve this problem?

[Argyll]

16 OBR if you would read my last posts, I clearly say that we need to quit the religion completely.

I don't want to generalize the entire populations anymore.

If we keep going like we are going right now, than we aren't getting far. We will keep loosing thousands of people to terrorism and wars. I hope that my great great great grand kids will be alive to enjoy their future.

Yesterday the numbers were in hundreds
Today in the thousands
Tomorrow victims will be in the millions

What is your opinion on how can we solve this problem?

What's yours...............logic implies you just cannot slaughter millions of Muslims "just in case".

[perdurabo]

16 OBR if you would read my last posts, I clearly say that we need to quit the religion completely.

I don't want to generalize the entire populations anymore.

If we keep going like we are going right now, than we aren't getting far. We will keep loosing thousands of people to terrorism and wars. I hope that my great great great grand kids will be alive to enjoy their future.

Yesterday the numbers were in hundreds
Today in the thousands
Tomorrow victims will be in the millions

What is your opinion on how can we solve this problem?
So you think that without relligion there would be no war? no terrorism? or without particular one religion -islam ??
if yes: i don't want to be hard to you but its stupid moust wars are for money power resources and hatred.

[RomanS]

16 OBR if you would read my last posts, I clearly say that we need to quit the religion completely.

I don't want to generalize the entire populations anymore.

If we keep going like we are going right now, than we aren't getting far. We will keep loosing thousands of people to terrorism and wars. I hope that my great great great grand kids will be alive to enjoy their future.

Yesterday the numbers were in hundreds
Today in the thousands
Tomorrow victims will be in the millions

What is your opinion on how can we solve this problem?
So you think that without relligion there would be no war? no terrorism? or without particular one religion -islam ??
if yes: i don't want to be hard to you but its stupid moust wars are for money power resources and hatred.

Well at least we will have a much better excuse to go to war. And no prick would be able to make it look like the white man is out there on Crusade against Muslim world.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

My opinion to solve the problem.

Frist you must have a clear understanding of there culture, many muslims are peace loving people. They generally want the same thing as you and me, to live and work and be happy. To worship whom they please, and do whatever else makes them happy. You must remeber this is the majority of the Muslims around fit in here. They just want to do there own thing...

Now there is a minority of the muslims that do follow the extermist path. They generally would like to take the freedom away from the majority, and force them to believe in there own beliefs. This usually happens by them setting up schools and getting to the younger, more easily influenced population. There is also aspects that its "preached to them", this is usually comes from people well respected threw the community (i.e. clerics, teachers and other tribes men and leaders).

This is normally done in public, were the "sheeple" effect takes place.
The people totally lose there individuality, and will cheer chant and repeat what the leader says no matter what they think because everyone around them is doing the same thing.

I find that by closing these schools, bringing a better way of life and giving hope to the people in those area's of the world would go a great way. Cutting the resources and money of these clerics and other figures would be a good start also, also taking there weapons away would help. Although they seem to be "easy to come by" with the amount of chache's that are routinely found in countrys like Afghanistan and Iraq. Stopping current conflicts in Israel and Palestine would go along way, rebuilding Afghanistan and Iraq into prosperous countries would benifit also by giving them a real "education" instead of hate being taught in schools. By giving people a sense they can do something, and that they can give back to there community and cause change would go along way.

Yet again just the way I see things
The bastardchild

[RomanS]

My opinion to solve the problem.

I find that by closing these schools, bringing a better way of life and giving hope to the people in those area's of the world would go a great way. The bastardchild

Once you close a school like that you will have JIHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

You know what Perm, I dunno how many times they'ce screamed for "Jihad" but I certainly dont see all muslims uprising against the other cultures of the world. Theres only a few that it would probably piss off, and the few it would piss off most likely wouldnt be fond of us anyway. So why would it matter?

I'm sure the childern would like to learn things like life skills, math, reading, other languages and cultures. Instead of "Jihad",suicide bombs, hate, anyone is capable of this.

Look how well Germany was re-built after both world wars, if you ran that by a person in the 1940's of what Germany would be like in the year 2000 they would be in totall dis-belief and would probably want to smack you silly. If we can do it there, why would it be impossible with a muslim country?

[perdurabo]

Well at least we will have a much better excuse to go to war. And no prick would be able to make it look like the white man is out there on Crusade against Muslim world.
well my friend world is free and you can't order ppl to belive or not belive and in witch religion ... almoust all that tried to rule ppl minds ended badly.

Also remember that moust religions are calm god is peacefull killing is sin etc... only ppl twist that. As Nicolo Machiavelli said "Moust ppl are in deep of their heart bad only strong rules that they have to obey make them to be good" (or something like that i read it veeery long time ago)...So moust of ppl are bad and jealous so they twist relligion/history etc to have support and feel that they do right thing when they do bad things. Living in a peacefull rich and happy country makes less ppl angry, jelous and unhappy, so as "western" countrys are richer and happier and muslims countrys are moustly poor and unhappy full of jelous ("look at those yankees they have all and we have nothing and we are poor we are good ppl so they are bad ppl and god says that we have to fight with bad ppl...")....

[RomanS]

Well at least we will have a much better excuse to go to war. And no prick would be able to make it look like the white man is out there on Crusade against Muslim world.
well my friend world is free and you can't order ppl to belive or not belive and in witch religion ... almoust all that tried to rule ppl minds ended badly.

Also remember that moust religions are calm god is peacefull killing is sin etc... only ppl twist that. As Nicolo Machiavelli said "Moust ppl are in deep of their heart bad only strong rules that they have to obey make them to be good" (or something like that i read it veeery long time ago)...So moust of ppl are bad and jealous so they twist relligion/history etc to have support and feel that they do right thing when they do bad things. Living in a peacefull rich and happy country makes less ppl angry, jelous and unhappy, so as "western" countrys are richer and happier and muslims countrys are moustly poor and unhappy full of jelous ("look at those yankees they have all and we have nothing and we are poor we are good ppl so they are bad ppl and god says that we have to fight with bad ppl...")....

Well you just remember that the terrorists have a pretty huge number of people.
If killing in the name of religion is bad, than why people keep joining them?

[perdurabo]

Well you just remember that the terrorists have a pretty huge number of people.
If killing in the name of religion is bad, than why people keep joining them?
i just said why:) poverty, jelous, anger and heatred. And rich ppl join them for mainly power and sometimes because of stupidyty or menthal ilnes(osama his family is realy ritch) :)

[AK-Lover]

obd my friend you get to emotional, you see there is something we call different points of view:
For example wht you consider extremism I consider a solution,
what you call me a nazi for I condsider mixed beleifs, I supported the war on A-Stan but not Iraq. I supported the Israeli operations a year ago but not the violent killing of some old crazy muslim guy in a wheelchair. You get far too emotional and involved. Do you really think over in you're head what I said after you leave the forum, I hope not. I don't dwell non-stop about my beleifs except maybe when I'm playing Desert Storm: Back to Baghdad with my friend and get killed by a cameljockey. If I ahve offended you with my beleifs i am sorry but you can't really excpect me to like them.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

For example wht you consider extremism I consider a solution,
Shades of 1942, January the 20th 1942 to be more precise.

[TALOS]

Perm, I know you are fond of the communist ideals but many of the people on these boards fought to keep their nations free of the state controls and the "religion" of the communist party. You feel its fine to go to war for ideas and principles as long as they arent religious?
I think instead of blaming religions we should stick with extremists because extreme militia or extreme nationalists or extreme religions are all the same, one is not better than the other.
Its the EXTREME aspect we need to irradicate, and you can tell extreme by the way they act and speak, such as wipe out ALL religions or ALL muslims or ALL russians. Get my point? Any EXTREME group is a threat.

[StukaJr]

Perm, I know you are fond of the communist ideals but many of the people on these boards fought to keep their nations free of the state controls and the "religion" of the communist party. You feel its fine to go to war for ideas and principles as long as they arent religious?
I think instead of blaming religions we should stick with extremists because extreme militia or extreme nationalists or extreme religions are all the same, one is not better than the other.
Its the EXTREME aspect we need to irradicate, and you can tell extreme by the way they act and speak, such as wipe out ALL religions or ALL muslims or ALL russians. Get my point? Any EXTREME group is a threat.

Like extreme... cough! cough! capitalists?

[TALOS]

Perm, I know you are fond of the communist ideals but many of the people on these boards fought to keep their nations free of the state controls and the "religion" of the communist party. You feel its fine to go to war for ideas and principles as long as they arent religious?
I think instead of blaming religions we should stick with extremists because extreme militia or extreme nationalists or extreme religions are all the same, one is not better than the other.
Its the EXTREME aspect we need to irradicate, and you can tell extreme by the way they act and speak, such as wipe out ALL religions or ALL muslims or ALL russians. Get my point? Any EXTREME group is a threat.

Like extreme... cough! cough! capitalists?
Like extreme anybody!

[5jumpchump]

You it just hit me today . It's a "known fact " that if you are martyered
in a jihad you go to heaven and collect 72 virgins . Well holy **** thousands of jihadists have died in this manner . So how in the hell are theese lovly ladies in heaven Virgins ? They just ****ed every guy who made it there rofl

[5jumpchump]

The real question is .......do they have free condoms ? rofl

[RomanS]

You it just hit me today . It's a "known fact " that if you are martyered
in a jihad you go to heaven and collect 72 virgins . Well holy **** thousands of jihadists have died in this manner . So how in the hell are theese lovly ladies in heaven Virgins ? They just f*** every guy who made it there rofl

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

There must be millions and millions of non-virgin women in heaven than. Man can only handle so many, 72 - HOLLY ******** TUESDAY!


question arises. Not all the muslims are bad, what about the mudjahadeens that are fighting for their believe. Do you classify them as terrorists or muslim fighters? I'm talking about the ones that didn't hijack the planes. Students of Religion

[RomanS]

You just got martyred, walk into heaven and see millions of women that already been ****ed.

I bet the ratio of man to women in Islam heaven is insane.

[16 OBr SpN]

16 OBR if you would read my last posts, I clearly say that we need to quit the religion completely.

I don't want to generalize the entire populations anymore.

If we keep going like we are going right now, than we aren't getting far. We will keep loosing thousands of people to terrorism and wars. I hope that my great great great grand kids will be alive to enjoy their future.

Yesterday the numbers were in hundreds
Today in the thousands
Tomorrow victims will be in the millions

What is your opinion on how can we solve this problem?

The only way to solve this problem is to address the issue in its roots. The terrorists are just pawns in the big game of political chess! Why do you think Taliban came out? It was sumply because they were CREATED by the Pakistani government. What were the Pakistani government's reasons? Oil, stabilization of Afghanistan, neutralization of the so called the Movement of Pushtunistan, plus Pakistanis wanted to have s secure back-yard in the face of confrontation with India.

You have to realize that there are NO "terrorist" organizations which can operate without an outside source of financing and support. No government will allow organizations to operate if they threaten that government's agenda.

At the time being, the only country which can actually address this issue is the US, but here's when money comes into play! Too much at stake, and interests involved. ;)

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[TALOS]

16 OBR if you would read my last posts, I clearly say that we need to quit the religion completely.

I don't want to generalize the entire populations anymore.

If we keep going like we are going right now, than we aren't getting far. We will keep loosing thousands of people to terrorism and wars. I hope that my great great great grand kids will be alive to enjoy their future.

Yesterday the numbers were in hundreds
Today in the thousands
Tomorrow victims will be in the millions

What is your opinion on how can we solve this problem?

The only way to solve this problem is to address the issue in its roots. The terrorists are just pawns in the big game of political chess! Why do you think Taliban came out? It was sumply because they were CREATED by the Pakistani government. What were the Pakistani government's reasons? Oil, stabilization of Afghanistan, neutralization of the so called the Movement of Pushtunistan, plus Pakistanis wanted to have s secure back-yard in the face of confrontation with India.

You have to realize that there are NO "terrorist" organizations which can operate without an outside source of financing and support. No government will allow organizations to operate if they threaten that government's agenda.

At the time being, the only country which can actually address this issue is the US, but here's when money comes into play! Too much at stake, and interests involved. ;)

Regards,
16 OBr SpN
Good point, warrants further discussion I think. How could governments put appropriate pressure on guilty states to get them to shut down terr cells? And would an amnesty of sorts be effective?
Obr what do you think?

[Truthsayer]

Pay back Saudi Arabia by flooding their country with **** and fast food. And make sodomy legal in the kingdom woot j/j

How about making it legal in all the 50 states in the US of freedom first? Huh? =)

(I honestly cannot understand what the goverment has to do with my sexlife...if I want my wife to blow me every day it's our biz, not the goverments...)

[Truthsayer]

16 OBR if you would read my last posts, I clearly say that we need to quit the religion completely.

I don't want to generalize the entire populations anymore.

If we keep going like we are going right now, than we aren't getting far. We will keep loosing thousands of people to terrorism and wars. I hope that my great great great grand kids will be alive to enjoy their future.

Yesterday the numbers were in hundreds
Today in the thousands
Tomorrow victims will be in the millions

What is your opinion on how can we solve this problem?
So you think that without relligion there would be no war? no terrorism? or without particular one religion -islam ??
if yes: i don't want to be hard to you but its stupid moust wars are for money power resources and hatred.

Yes, the imperialism of the japanese was all about them forcing islam upon asian region...um...or something. :]

[SeanAshi]

How about making it legal in all the 50 states in the US of freedom first? Huh? =) What people do in their own homes is their business, I don't have a problem with it at all.

[talib_killa34]

My first post! :D

What a great site! I feel right at home here!

My thoughts on this:

I agree with the original post totally...These extremists know they are at war, and their only thought is to kill Jews/Americans and to become "martyrs" themselves.
How sad that our daily lives do not revolve around "how can I kill a terrorist today?"
Not an easy thing to do, but people are out there who want to kill me and you for totally inane reasons, and we must not become complacent! We need to have a single purpose ourselves:
Kill the enemy and deny him victory.

That is all.

[SeanAshi]

Kill the enemy and deny him victory.
The Anti-American/Anti-Israelis wont like that but welcome!

[talib_killa34]

It is all about "just who is at war with who?"

The "extremists" know....

Your daily american joe on the street...does he know?

"Anti-Israeli/Anti-USA" just about covers China all the way west to Mauritania!

If it's gonna come it's gonna come, no sense in fearing it.

Just get ready for some payback....

[talib_killa34]

Double post Sorry

[SeanAshi]

Just get ready for some payback....Our critics would just tell us "we are stirring up more trouble" In other words when they committ terrorist attacks against us they want us todo nothing in return.

[talib_killa34]

I call that appeasement. :|

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Just get ready for some payback....Our critics would just tell us "we are stirring up more trouble" In other words when they committ terrorist attacks against us they want us todo nothing in return.

I do remind you that alot of countrys were behind you guys after 9-11, certainly alot more then in Iraq (and even some of the countrys that participated in Afghanistan also did in Iraq).
Defending yourself is totally acceptable, especially after something like 9-11. If you dont, they win.



How could governments put appropriate pressure on guilty states to get them to shut down terr cells? And would an amnesty of sorts be effective?
Obr what do you think?

Economic and diplomatic pressure, closing trade with the country and ties with it would go along way. I believe it would be acceptable even to have some "military action" in the guilty country's border's. Wether it be removal of training grounds or capture of key figures, occupation of the country will not work considering how stretch most armies are these days.

Send a firm strong message that they should not support terror, find were and how the cells finance themselves and try to cut there resources.There is alot of opium growing in Afghanistan since its more profitable crop and often some are forced to against there own will, banks accounts, and phony charities and buisness's.

[talib_killa34]

Granted, this is not state against state warfare. I suppose everyone will be our ally again after another terrorist attack on US soil.

IS THAT WHAT IT WILL TAKE?

Also, sanctions never forced Iraq out of Kuwait in '90/'91 it took about 750, 000 ground forces (est) to do that and all this last year in Iraq was what should have been done (in a perfect world) back in 1991 or 1992.

Mr Hussein had all that time to verify completely on the WMD issue. He jerked around and now he's in a POW cell.

Bush should have made his case that OIF was over the non-compliance with the cease-fire terms at the end of ODS in 1991.


Anything else is just political BS

[16 OBr SpN]

The only way to solve this problem is to address the issue in its roots. The terrorists are just pawns in the big game of political chess! Why do you think Taliban came out? It was sumply because they were CREATED by the Pakistani government. What were the Pakistani government's reasons? Oil, stabilization of Afghanistan, neutralization of the so called the Movement of Pushtunistan, plus Pakistanis wanted to have s secure back-yard in the face of confrontation with India.

You have to realize that there are NO "terrorist" organizations which can operate without an outside source of financing and support. No government will allow organizations to operate if they threaten that government's agenda.

At the time being, the only country which can actually address this issue is the US, but here's when money comes into play! Too much at stake, and interests involved. ;)

Regards,
16 OBr SpN
Good point, warrants further discussion I think. How could governments put appropriate pressure on guilty states to get them to shut down terr cells? And would an amnesty of sorts be effective?
Obr what do you think?

The politics is always about interests. Just like in cases among regular people, everyone will have their own agenda, which will not agree with the others'.

When governments want to de-stabilize a certain regime of another country, among their options is supporting the so-called "independent" movements. These movements might have different slogans. During the Cold War, there were "communist guerillas" and "freedom fighters". Some were supported by the Soviet Union, while others by the USA.
What's the situation now? It is still the same, only the slogans have changed along with the "players". Right now it's the "Islamic terrorism", tomorrow it might become a "Krishnaid terrorism" or whatever.

War is further continuation of politics. Same goes for terrorism.

The other important factor is the poor development of countries. The poor and uneducated society is an ideal ground for extremism whether its religious or ethnic. Rwanda, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. All these countries have many things in common: despotism, poor education, poor economics, etc.

How to stop it? I don't know. So far, everything I see in this "war on terror" is just bull****. Some are making money out of it, while some are dying for this...

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

"Anti-Israeli/Anti-USA" just about covers China all the way west to Mauritania!
Er... I thought Israel and China had a good relationship, Turkey also gets on OK with Israel, oh well its your opinion.

[SeanAshi]

Oil was the reason for France and Germany not to support the conflict in Iraq.

[talib_killa34]

"Anti-Israeli/Anti-USA" just about covers China all the way west to Mauritania!
Er... I thought Israel and China had a good relationship, Turkey also gets on OK with Israel, oh well its your opinion.

"just about" is not quite every country there, Buck. I don't think the people of Turkey have a warm fuzzy feeling about the state of Israel either.

Yeah, can't wait for how the world will be once China becomes the second superpower in the next 100 years.... :roll:

[UoUo]

"Anti-Israeli/Anti-USA" just about covers China all the way west to Mauritania!
Er... I thought Israel and China had a good relationship, Turkey also gets on OK with Israel, oh well its your opinion.

"just about" is not quite every country there, Buck. I don't think the people of Turkey have a warm fuzzy feeling about the state of Israel either.

Yeah, can't wait for how the world will be once China becomes the second superpower in the next 100 years.... :roll:

Why china and not india?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

"just about" is not quite every country there, Buck. I don't think the people of Turkey have a warm fuzzy feeling about the state of Israel either.

Yeah, can't wait for how the world will be once China becomes the second superpower in the next 100 years.... :roll:
Eh.... me no understand.

[AK-Lover]

od bosne do irana bice mrtvih muslimana. woot

[ALBANIAN]

Good Morning!


Im happy someone finally noticed it...


A question to think about:

How come that there are so many conflincts involving Islamic nation vs Other side with no Solution ( For exmple: Israel-Palastine, Russia-Chechens, Pakistan-India, Serbia and so on.. )

I don't know much about other conlicts, but Serbia-Kosova was the same story of jew's holocaust, when the victims were once again, which have not a state and an army....

[ALBANIAN]

All dirty terrorist muslim dogs must die.

the ones trained and pyed by Mother RUSSIA too? ;)

[ALBANIAN]

All dirty terrorist muslim dogs must die.

All those things except muslims apply to you Russians. Chechens have right to defend their country against bastards that attacked them. Grow up kid. :bash:

Sure you know vey well what kind of civil nation is Russia!
By the way, Honour to Simo Hayha!

[ALBANIAN]

kill them all i f*** say do we wont them in this world no Not me .. am in the army ok just got back from iraq Its all f*** up all off them wont to kill u SAying that i got 3 off them lmao :fork:

I find it very difficult to believe you could pass the minimum intelligence level for any Army in the world.

WRONG: He's right for russian and serb special forces.
With the sorrow that SS don'n exist!

[talib_killa34]

"just about" is not quite every country there, Buck. I don't think the people of Turkey have a warm fuzzy feeling about the state of Israel either.

Yeah, can't wait for how the world will be once China becomes the second superpower in the next 100 years.... :roll:
Eh.... me no understand.



Right. :|

[AK-Lover]

Albanian I wonder how albania even has spec-forces or army. didn't all their weapons go to KLA terrorists and palestinians! rofl

[ALBANIAN]

Why do you people have to generalize the whole religion of Islam into being a terrorist?!

Indeed, the Middle East has become a cancer of this planet. But the reason behind it is not the religion! It's the Arab leaders, and they are actually much worse than "communist despots"! During communism in Soviet Union, people at least had a good education, and high level of culture! Take a look at the Arab world now! The Arabs made their valuable unput to the whole civilization, but the regimes of those countries brought the scientific and cultural development to a complete halt!!
What do people do when they live under oppressive regimes? They look for the guilty ones: Israel, Russia, USA, etc.! The development vacuum quickly got filled with the fundamentalist movements!
As for their leaders, they don't give a f*** as long as their Western "allies" buy their oil, and keep the status quo.

PermskiiOMON, please further refrain from your irrational and disrespectful statements!
I personally know guys of different nationalities: Tatars, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Dagestanis, even Chechens, who spilled their blood for the Soviet Union/Russia, in Afghanistan and Chechnya. The guy who carried me on his back when I was wounded was the Tajik. Some of my friends from the "Muslim Batallion" live in Russia right now, and they are the true patriots of our country.

The enemies against whom I fought were mostly Muslims, but you don't see me generalizing!
There are scumbags among each religion or ethnicity, and I personally don't see a difference, whether he's a Muslim or a Christian.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN


I have to respect you!

[ALBANIAN]

Can someone PLEASE HELP ME TO IDENTIFY a bad islamic terrorist?

Like during the Cold War one side had a Red Star, hammer and sickle, and the other had an eagle. So it was obvious to tell who is who.

Now I am a little bit confused on todays events. Someone please help me to identify the bad guys.

Like looks, religios believes, different covers on their bibles/korans, maybe even insignia, weapons, churches/mosques.

Any great input on how to identify a bad muslim in a crowd of bad ones. Of course before the bad one blows him/her self up, or hijacks the plane, or takes a hostage.

I will appreciate it a lot, thanks

NO FLAME HERE, all serious.

The first thing is that who had the red star, were the worst criminals of entire story, much wronger than nazism!
The second, these gentlemene with red star, have created the islamic terrorism, trained etc. The unuversity Patrice Lubumba has been the school of international terrorism, and the AK rifle has been the dinstictive of terrorism.
I'm astonished how dictatorial-terroristic-atheist russians, are now defender of civilization, freedom, religion!
Pardon me sir, but you have the hands so dirty of blood, that's difficult for me to beleive you.
Regards

[ALBANIAN]

Albanian I wonder how albania even has spec-forces or army. didn't all their weapons go to KLA terrorists and palestinians! rofl

Only for your information, jugoslavia is the greater suporter of firearms in the african conflits, and to the countries that are under ONU firearms embargo.
Some as uganda, somalia, are full of jugo weapons and mercenaries. The weapons that went to UCK? Best investment, throwing away the behatred criminal invader of our Holy Land.

[soldierandy]

Albanian I wonder how albania even has spec-forces or army. didn't all their weapons go to KLA terrorists and palestinians! rofl

Only for your information, jugoslavia is the greater suporter of firearms in the african conflits, and to the countries that are under ONU firearms embargo.
Some as uganda, somalia, are full of jugo weapons and mercenaries. The weapons that went to UCK? Best investment, throwing away the behatred criminal invader of our Holy Land.

As far as I can see the Albanians have invaded the EU! Biggest drug-dealing and prostitution gangs in London and European capitals..

[ALBANIAN]

Albanian I wonder how albania even has spec-forces or army. didn't all their weapons go to KLA terrorists and palestinians! rofl

Only for your information, jugoslavia is the greater suporter of firearms in the african conflits, and to the countries that are under ONU firearms embargo.
Some as uganda, somalia, are full of jugo weapons and mercenaries. The weapons that went to UCK? Best investment, throwing away the behatred criminal invader of our Holy Land.

As far as I can see the Albanians have invaded the EU! Biggest drug-dealing and prostitution gangs in London and European capitals..

Yu're right! Because these fenomenons didn't exist in the EU before the arriving of Albanians!
And the opium wars were made by albanians, as we know the brits are all perfet gentlemen.
One information, as you know in every bussines there is tle law of need and the offer.
So albanian make the offer, but who does need the drugs and prostitutes?
The brits! And this is good step for you to need women, because I was sure that all limes are fags!
And I think you pay women for two reasons, first englis women (absolutely the easeliest of the world) prefere blacks, for the simple reason that they are that kind of true man you aren't, secon, you smell because you never have a shower, smell like goats, and no self repected woman come near of you!
So you have to rape ( a UK record) and to pay!

[ShadowNeo]

Don't take one person's opinion to be that of their country's, ALBANIAN.

Any chance of keeping this thread on course rather than turning it into another mindless flame-war?

[ALBANIAN]

Don't take one person's opinion to be that of their country's, ALBANIAN.

Any chance of keeping this thread on course rather than turning it into another mindless flame-war?

My heart's in the Highlands, my heart is not here,
My heart's in the Highlands a-chasing the deer -
A-chasing the wild deer, and following the roe;
My heart's in the Highlands, wherever I go.
Farewell to the Highlands, farewell to the North
The birth place of Valour, the country of Worth;
Wherever I wander, wherever I rove,
The hills of the Highlands for ever I love.

Farewell to the mountains high cover'd with snow;
Farewell to the straths and green valleys below;
Farewell to the forrests and wild-hanging woods;
Farwell to the torrents and loud-pouring floods.

My heart's in the Highlands, my heart is not here,
My heart's in the Highlands a-chasing the deer
Chasing the wild deer, and following the roe;
My heart's in the Highlands, whereever I go.

[Russian Texan]

I have to respect you!
But he is Russian!!!! :lol:

[ALBANIAN]

I have to respect you!
But he is Russian!!!! :lol:

Probaly your icy head exposed to the sun of Texas, losed this few of intelligence!
Nothing against russians, but I hate the superior races, so I remmber you dark points of your story.
I respect him, because as a soldier that did his duty (I'm a soldier, and NEVER had asked me what do you think, only DO IT, AND SHUT UP YOUR MOUTH), he respects his enemyes.
Perhaps he knows that it's not a terrorist question the chechen one! Chechens have atacked only russian objectives.
And remmember, that innocent chechen human beens killed by russians, are same creatures of Lord, as innocent russian killed by nazis!
Read the nazy propoganda on russians (they are untermenchen, undere developed, terrorist, must die etc) is the same of KGB putin criminal and his firends!

[Russian Texan]

I have to respect you!
But he is Russian!!!! :lol:

Probaly your icy head exposed to the sun of Texas, losed this few of intelligence!
Nothing against russians,


Are you sure?

Russian mercenaries, pittiless assasins. RUSSIANS!
This explain all!


PROUDLY ALBANIAN, NEVER GUILTY OF MILLION MASS MURDER, AS RUSSIANS.



Sure you know vey well what kind of civil nation is Russia!!



All dirty terrorist muslim dogs must die.

the ones trained and pyed by Mother RUSSIA too? ;)

but I hate the superior races
But you just have said that: "I have nothing against Russians", now you call us a "superior race", thank you, and now you are saying that you "hate the superior races", so which one is it?

so I remmber you dark points of your story.
I respect him, because as a soldier that did his duty
But according to you his duty was "slaughtering innocent women and children", you respect him for that?

(I'm a soldier,

Strooooongly doubt that... You are not old enough to be one and the way you think and talk clearly points to your age: 15-17.
You are just another "welcomed" addition to this message board - a brainwashed, full of hatred teenager with too much time on his hands (88 posts in 2 days)...


it's not a terrorist question the chechen one!
So what question is it?

Chechens have atacked only russian objectives.
Like hospitals, theatres, apartment buildings and such....?
And remmember, that innocent chechen human beens killed by russians, are same creatures of Lord, as innocent russian killed by nazis!
Read the nazy propoganda on russians (they are untermenchen, undere developed, terrorist, must die etc) is the same of KGB putin criminal and his firends!
Wow, no comments...I'll let you boil in the stupidity of your own words.

[ALBANIAN]

I have to respect you!
But he is Russian!!!! :lol:

Probaly your icy head exposed to the sun of Texas, losed this few of intelligence!
Nothing against russians,


Are you sure?

Russian mercenaries, pittiless assasins. RUSSIANS!
This explain all!


PROUDLY ALBANIAN, NEVER GUILTY OF MILLION MASS MURDER, AS RUSSIANS.



Sure you know vey well what kind of civil nation is Russia!!



All dirty terrorist muslim dogs must die.

the ones trained and pyed by Mother RUSSIA too? ;)

but I hate the superior races
But you just have said that: "I have nothing against Russians", now you call us a "superior race", thank you, and now you are saying that you "hate the superior races", so which one is it?

so I remmber you dark points of your story.
I respect him, because as a soldier that did his duty
But according to you his duty was "slaughtering innocent women and children", you respect him for that?

(I'm a soldier,

Strooooongly doubt that... You are not old enough to be one and the way you think and talk clearly points to your age: 15-17.
You are just another "welcomed" addition to this message board - a brainwashed, full of hatred teenager with too much time on his hands (88 posts in 2 days)...


it's not a terrorist question the chechen one!
So what question is it?

Chechens have atacked only russian objectives.
Like hospitals, theatres, apartment buildings and such....?
And remmember, that innocent chechen human beens killed by russians, are same creatures of Lord, as innocent russian killed by nazis!
Read the nazy propoganda on russians (they are untermenchen, undere developed, terrorist, must die etc) is the same of KGB putin criminal and his firends!
Wow, no comments...I'll let you boil in the stupidity of your own words.


32 years old.
So, every single war that the russian did, was a war against civilisation. You constructed the worst dictature of the world, youa re inhabitueted to be treated by your leaders as ****, as meat for cannons.
You attack chechenya for petrol, that is not to enrich the single stupid muzhik, but your mafia-kgb putin and friends.
Superior races doesn't exist. The one who invicted this word, Hitler, considered you untermenchen, the **** you are!
The sense of "superior race" is blasfemy, cause Lord has created us same!
When I say "superior race", it is ironi, but your undertandment, perhaps as result of mixture of icy-votka head with jack daniel.sun of texas, is not enough to make you undertand simple things.

[Russian Texan]

32 years old.
have you ever thought of acting like one....?

So, every single war that the russian did, was a war against civilisation. You constructed the worst dictature of the world, youa re inhabitueted to be treated by your leaders as ****, as meat for cannons.
So you hate us?

You attack chechenya for petrol, that is not to enrich the single stupid muzhik, but your mafia-kgb putin and friends.
Superior races doesn't exist. The one who invicted this word, Hitler, considered you untermenchen,
the **** you are!
But you have said "i have nothing against Russians", which one is it?

The sense of "superior race" is blasfemy, cause Lord has created us same!
When I say "superior race", it is ironi, but your undertandment
"I hate superior races" hardly sounds like an ironic statement...,


There are waaay too many contradictions in your posts, that is what denies you any credibility...
Btw, dude, why are you so full of hatred?
lets talk about your feelings... :petting:

[ALBANIAN]

32 years old.
have you ever thought of acting like one....?

So, every single war that the russian did, was a war against civilisation. You constructed the worst dictature of the world, youa re inhabitueted to be treated by your leaders as ****, as meat for cannons.
So you hate us?

You attack chechenya for petrol, that is not to enrich the single stupid muzhik, but your mafia-kgb putin and friends.
Superior races doesn't exist. The one who invicted this word, Hitler, considered you untermenchen,
the **** you are!
But you have said "i have nothing against Russians", which one is it?

The sense of "superior race" is blasfemy, cause Lord has created us same!
When I say "superior race", it is ironi, but your undertandment
"I hate superior races" hardly sounds like an ironic statement...,


There are waaay too many contradictions in your posts, that is what denies you any credibility...
Btw, dude, why are you so full of hatred?
lets talk about your feelings... :petting:


COMPLETELY WASTED TIME!

[Russian Texan]

By whom - me? Not really, actually I am having fun ;)

So what happened to answering questions?
What happened to your "concrete" arguments?

What about your feelings, I didn't mean to hurt them, lets talk about it...

[ALBANIAN]

By whom - me? Not really, actually I am having fun ;)

So what happened to answering questions?
What happened to your "concrete" arguments?

What about your feelings, I didn't mean to hurt them, lets talk about it...

OK.

In your country, the slavery was until XIX century!
The respect for the russian life never existed. The system of russian to do the war was one soldier armed, one disarmed, full of votka, and atack! Because for your culture, it's impossible to have respect for the single life! And as you can't understand the respect for russian lifes, how can you respekt the life of other persons?
The first terrorisrm was russian one, the segret organizations against TZAR. The greatest ideologs of terrorism were russians.
The KGB has killed much more russians than every your enemy.
8 million russians were massacrated by red army in the late 20, under the komand of Tukacevskij and Zhukov, in the time of collectivization of the agriculture.
During the WWII, million of russian soldiers that fought with bravery and were prosioners, were excuted by russians at the end of the war. In the memories of Zhukov, he speaks with pain for this fact considering as the worst horror of his life.
During the battle of Stalingrad, were executed more than 13 thousand of russian soldiers for speaking wrong for the party, or because they were saved in mass murder atacks against german maschine guns.
You have been, are and will be a mass of slaves, slav means slave.
Soviet russia has created a islamic terrorism. Until the help of soviets, the terrorism was present only to orthodox as you, catholics as me, and jew. The weapon of the terrorist? AK! I don't beleive that millions of firearms produced in a country that its citizens couldn't be armed and still can't be armed, could smugler all these arms used by terrorist and dicatorial states.
Your ex KGB man are the worst mafia man in the world, and Putin is one of them.
Jeltsin was included in a corruption story, when the corruptor, the man who payed him million of dollars, was a kosova muslim albanian, but swiss citizen, Bexhet Paxholli. Very rich builder, he payed money to have the tender to repair Cremlin and other buildings.
Pagjolli is one of the greatest financiar supporter of UCK, so money thieft to russians by their president, served to finance UCK against you small dog of balkans Serbia.

[RomanS]

Look Albanian

I tried to stay out of your bull**** posts, but this one can't get me ignoring it.

you are bringing up our history and leaders

Look at your world power, and economic heaven first. As far as I know, the difference between Chechen Terrorists and Albanian is the language.
They are both part of al queda and proud of it.

So please worry about your history, actually instead you should look at your present there!

[ALBANIAN]

Look Albanian

I tried to stay out of your bull**** posts, but this one can't get me ignoring it.

you are bringing up our history and leaders

Look at your world power, and economic heaven first. As far as I know, the difference between Chechen Terrorists and Albanian is the language.
They are both part of al queda and proud of it.

So please worry about your history, actually instead you should look at your present there!

What I writte is your true story!
What are you doing in Chechenya is a war as all wars, for money, for petrol not for Christianism!
You are the worst enemies of Christianism, as builders of the worst atheist state of the histrory.

With the best regards for you sir, and with the sorrow ttha you can't understan the simplest thing, I explain you.

1-UCK movement was not a muslim movement, but ALBANIAN movement, without dinsticton of religion or political ideas, a war for thei rights against serbian invader.
2-Albanian Police has given one of the worst atacks to Al Qaeda arresting at August of 1998 AHMED IBRAHIM AL NAGAR the chief of propoganda of Al Qaeda, and distructing a islamic terrorist cell, all composed by egypt citizens. Al Nagar was arrested by RENEA, Police counterterrorist unit, who was hidden in a washing maschine and wonded to the leg the commander of renea, a good muslim, who disarmed and tied Al Nagar. After extrated in Egypt ala nagar was hanged up by Egypt authorities. Al Qaeda made explode the US embasies in Nairobi and Zanzibar.
This cell had to atack Us embassy in albania, but US and diefferent secret services, together with albanian secret service discovered this cell, and distructed it. The majority of officers who fight against these terrorosts were muslims!
Tell me one only one albanian Al Qaeda man, only one!
The war in Yougoslavia is a nationalist war, it's a war betwen peoples ( a Churchill expression) and not betwen religions!
Because in Kroatia serbia commited the same crimes as in Bosnia, and Croats are CHRISTIANS!

[RomanS]

Look Albanian

I tried to stay out of your bull**** posts, but this one can't get me ignoring it.

you are bringing up our history and leaders

Look at your world power, and economic heaven first. As far as I know, the difference between Chechen Terrorists and Albanian is the language.
They are both part of al queda and proud of it.

So please worry about your history, actually instead you should look at your present there!

What I writte is your true story!
What are you doing in Chechenya is a war as all wars, for money, for petrol not for Christianism!
You are the worst enemies of Christianism, as builders of the worst atheist state of the histrory.

With the best regards for you sir, and with the sorrow ttha you can't understan the simplest thing, I explain you.

1-UCK movement was not a muslim movement, but ALBANIAN movement, without dinsticton of religion or political ideas, a war for thei rights against serbian invader.
2-Albanian Police has given one of the worst atacks to Al Qaeda arresting at August of 1998 AHMED IBRAHIM AL NAGAR the chief of propoganda of Al Qaeda, and distructing a islamic terrorist cell, all composed by egypt citizens. Al Nagar was arrested by RENEA, Police counterterrorist unit, who was hidden in a washing maschine and wonded to the leg the commander of renea, a good muslim, who disarmed and tied Al Nagar. After extrated in Egypt ala nagar was hanged up by Egypt authorities. Al Qaeda made explode the US embasies in Nairobi and Zanzibar.
This cell had to atack Us embassy in albania, but US and diefferent secret services, together with albanian secret service discovered this cell, and distructed it. The majority of officers who fight against these terrorosts were muslims!
Tell me one only one albanian Al Qaeda man, only one!
The war in Yougoslavia is a nationalist war, it's a war betwen peoples ( a Churchill expression) and not betwen religions!
Because in Kroatia serbia commited the same crimes as in Bosnia, and Croats are CHRISTIANS!

Look,
leave your religious **** out of here. Don't educate me on why we are at war with Chechnya. The religion has absolutely nothing to do with it.

The oil part was just 1 of the 1000 other reasons to calm the republic down, and only at the beggining of the nineties.

War in Chechnya was a result of a sick fak who wanted his people drinking camel milk out of the golden sinks. The man who also wanted to trun Northern Kavkaz into Islamic heaven.

Russian authorites didn't give a **** what he wanted, because when the armed thugs with beards grabed weapons and turned their own country into criminal hang out, we had to go in.

Again, don't educate me on Chechnya, because you will only make a fool out of yourself.

A lot of Russian soldiers didn't look at the Chechen war as religious fak up like in your area. Our guys were - are there to protect the constitutional peace, and eliminate all the thugs, bandits, terrorists, organized crime memmbers that are preventing the peace and normal life in the republic.

The world saw how Chechens governed themselves in 1996-99. After the Hasavurt they were given full indepence, and without asking for further help they fooked their own country.

HOW?
By being lazy, un-educated and not wanting to establish the E C O N O M Y or democratic freedom . There was no industry in Chechnya. They blew up their own pipeline before the first war.

So now the government leaders like Mashadov, Basaev, Gelaev, Khattab, Baraev needed money for their new country.
Guess who showed up with cash?

This time we are not coming out, and finishing the job till the end.
But saying that war in Chechnya is about oil, religion is like calling all the Americans crusading enfidels trying to establish an Empire.

So pretty please! DON'T ARGUE WITH ME ABOUT CHECHNYA if YOU ARE NOT READY

[chauncy republicans]

perhaps as result of mixture of icy-votka head with jack daniel.sun of texas, is not enough to make you undertand simple things. ROFLMAO rofl

[GrimmyRX]

I wasn't even going to touch this thread but here it goes . All this " there are Christian extremists too " **** is nothing but an excuse . Name ONE Christian extremist group that is world wide . Name one Christian extremist group that has called for a world wide crusade against Islam .
Name one Christian extremist group that is in a Muslim country blowing up civilians on buses , cafes , and the malls . Name just one .

Muslim Extreamists are to Islam as the KKK are to Christianity.

[chauncy republicans]

I wasn't even going to touch this thread but here it goes . All this " there are Christian extremists too " **** is nothing but an excuse . Name ONE Christian extremist group that is world wide . Name one Christian extremist group that has called for a world wide crusade against Islam .
Name one Christian extremist group that is in a Muslim country blowing up civilians on buses , cafes , and the malls . Name just one .

Muslim Extreamists are to Islam as the KKK are to Christianity.
Nice one! Don't forget about the I.R.A., who spread the "terror bombing"
tactic to countries like Algeria in exchange for weapons. Who, might I ad, are Christian.
*Note* Not trying to flame, I am also a practicing Christian, so before I get called "anti-christian" please know that I am one.

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I wasn't even going to touch this thread but here it goes . All this " there are Christian extremists too " **** is nothing but an excuse . Name ONE Christian extremist group that is world wide . Name one Christian extremist group that has called for a world wide crusade against Islam .
Name one Christian extremist group that is in a Muslim country blowing up civilians on buses , cafes , and the malls . Name just one .

Muslim Extreamists are to Islam as the KKK are to Christianity.


or IRA to the Catholics, and I'm a catholic.

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No more - too much for me to delete.

Locked!

I will continue to delete or replace posts in the other threads.