Kicked to death by yobs

[Geezah]

A BRAVE dad was mercilessly kicked to death as he tried to protect his family from a gang of 12 drunken thugs.
Frank Buckley, 47, tried to ward off the baying mob when they set upon his terrified party after a family birthday celebration.

A 72-year-old woman was felled during the unprovoked attack before hero Frank was punched to the pavement.

One lout then repeatedly stamped on his head as Frank’s family, including his wife, father-in-law and 19-year-old son begged the attacker to stop.

Finally the thugs, who had been drinking nearby, fled the scene in Swinton, Greater Manchester — leaving dad-of-two Frank in a pool of blood.

The stricken building contractor was rushed to hospital with head injuries, but lost his week-long battle for life in the Intensive Care Unit.

Cops were last night horrified by the attack — another example of the mindless violence plaguing Britain’s streets.

As chiefs launched a murder inquiry, Frank’s distraught widow Christina, 42, begged locals to turn in the killers.

She said: “Frank was the nicest man you could ever hope to meet. A loving husband, father of two lovely boys and hard-working. He was just trying to look after his family.”

The family were attacked on March 13 after Frank, from Salford, took 15 relatives on a night out to celebrate his father-in-law’s 65th birthday.

Three generations of the family ate at Puccini’s restaurant in Swinton — the swanky Italian eaterie where Manchester United stars held their Christmas party last year.

The group brought their own cake and waiters sang Happy Birthday to them before they popped next door to Yates’s Wine Lodge for a nightcap.

But once inside, they became involved in a scuffle with another group of drinkers after one female relative’s handbag went missing.

Frank and his relatives thought it best to head home and walked across Fountain Square and waited by bus stops opposite Swinton Civic Centre, hoping to catch taxis.

But at about 12.45am, a group of men stormed up to the family group and attacked them.

The 72-year-old woman — thought to be a friend of Frank’s father-in-law — was knocked unconscious before the mob turned on Frank.

Det Chief Insp Russ Jackson, heading the investigation, said yesterday: “What started out as a family celebration ended in tragedy. I can’t begin to imagine how horrible it must have been.

“These people effectively watched a family member being killed.

“We believe the attack may be linked to the earlier incident inside the wine bar.

“We need to speak to anyone who was in Yates’s that night or who saw the assault.”

Four men have been arrested and released on police bail over the attack.

Puccini’s owner Michael Pucci — who regularly plays host to United stars like Roy Keane and Rio Ferdinand — said: “They were such a nice family, enjoying themselves.

“They were all laughing and joking and having a good time. This is why it is so difficult to take in what has happened.”

But one Swinton shopkeeper insisted the incident, which comes amid Government plans to let pubs stay open 24 hours a day, was “no surprise”.

He said: “Many locals in this area are scared to walk outside their own front door.

“Some of the people that go drinking round here leave a lot to be desired.

“They just get drunk and end up causing violence. And now there is talk about opening up bars all night.”


If Frank Buckley had been a law abiding citizen with the choice of having his CCW it would have done him no good because as a law abiding citizen with CCW he would have left his sidearm at home because he was going out for a drink.
Over here you are prohibtied from carry a sidearm into a bar/pub/club unless you are a peace officer.
Looks like they need to start imposing tougher sentences on curbing drunken louts, they should take a look at how they deal with Public Intoxication over here and not look at it as if it's acceptable human behaviour!

[Gringo]

RIP

[Kicius]

And what with the knives in UK? Can you carry one without problems from the Police?

Knife is very democratic weapon. No need to be an expert to properely use it. And sometimes it's much better than a gun.
You don't need to reload. :D

But more serious. Here in Poland we have the same problem with growing mindless violence. Tempora mutantur

R.I.P

[ShadowNeo]

Looks like they need to start imposing tougher sentences on curbing drunken louts, they should take a look at how they deal with Public Intoxication over here and not look at it as if it's acceptable human behaviour!

So I guess you haven't seen the vast advertising campaign launched on TV, Pubs, Radio, Bus Shelters? The fact that 9/10 Alcohol advertisements I now see urge people to be sensible and moderate their drinking? The fact that more pub owners are becoming more strict with customers?

Didn't think so.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Pubs and clubs are getting stricter all the time I went on a stag night a while back 2 of our number had to go back home because they could not get into clubs, they were not that bad but the doormen thought otherwise.

[Geezah]

Looks like they need to start imposing tougher sentences on curbing drunken louts, they should take a look at how they deal with Public Intoxication over here and not look at it as if it's acceptable human behaviour!

So I guess you haven't seen the vast advertising campaign launched on TV, Pubs, Radio, Bus Shelters? The fact that 9/10 Alcohol advertisements I now see urge people to be sensible and moderate their drinking? The fact that more pub owners are becoming more strict with customers?

Didn't think so.

Seeing as I've been going into pubs since I was 15( and I don't drink, was brought up as a Mormon) and the fact that when I used to be down by the river in Richmond every Summer it's amazing how many youngsters were out drinking it's not suprising that the UK has probably the worst case of acholics in the World.

Don't you think it's a bit too late to start campaigning for drinkers to start being sensible? looks like it didn't do Frank Buckley any good! Rather than campaigning the law needs to start coming down hard on these louts and start making examples of them.
I don't think in the 8yrs of me living here the attitude towards drinking has changed that much and it's amazing how many times I was the designated driver over there ;)

[big_les]

I must say I think 'binge drinking' as the media like to call it is a considerable social problem and contributes to the fear of crime if not actual crime. It gives the morons on the street that bit of extra courage to set upon a random stranger and seriously injure/kill them. I've always disliked the ingrained culture of alcohol here, not drinking per se, but the expectation that at least once a week we should be down the pub smashing our brains into oblivion. You're treated as somewhat of an outcast if you don't like to drink to excess; its easier to say you're a teetotaller as people have been conditioned to understand that some people have a moral stance on the issue and so accept them as just a bit odd. But if you drink only in moderation in certain circles you'll be treated as though you're being insulting.

And then we're surprised when someone is beaten to death by drunken scum, or run over by a drunk driver. Hypocritical, and stemming from the cultural idea that anyone who can't 'hold their drink' has something wrong with them. Then there's the physical harm people are doing to themselves vis liver, brain cells etc.

PS Knives? Illegal to carry with anything over 2 1/2 inch fixed blade or 4" folding blade (could be wrong on this - no sensible person carries a knife of any kind on a night out).

PPS Don't get me started on 'doormen'. So many of them would be out on the street beating the cr@p out of people themselves if they hadn't landed their job. It's not so much clubs getting stricter, its just bouncers being bolshy prejudicial gits with a licence to smack you 'upside the head'.

[Geezah]

I must say I think 'binge drinking' as the media like to call it is a considerable social problem and contributes to the fear of crime if not actual crime. It gives the morons on the street that bit of extra courage to set upon a random stranger and seriously injure/kill them. I've always disliked the ingrained culture of alcohol here, not drinking per se, but the expectation that at least once a week we should be down the pub smashing our brains into oblivion. You're treated as somewhat of an outcast if you don't like to drink to excess; its easier to say you're a teetotaller as people have been conditioned to understand that some people have a moral stance on the issue and so accept them as just a bit odd. But if you drink only in moderation in certain circles you'll be treated as though you're being insulting.

And then we're surprised when someone is beaten to death by drunken scum, or run over by a drunk driver. Hypocritical, and stemming from the cultural idea that anyone who can't 'hold their drink' has something wrong with them. Then there's the physical harm people are doing to themselves vis liver, brain cells etc.

PS Knives? Illegal to carry with anything over 2 1/2 inch fixed blade or 4" folding blade (could be wrong on this - no sensible person carries a knife of any kind on a night out).

PPS Don't get me started on 'doormen'. So many of them would be out on the street beating the cr@p out of people themselves if they hadn't landed their job. It's not so much clubs getting stricter, its just bouncers being bolshy prejudicial gits with a licence to smack you 'upside the head'.

Agreed, my mates always looked at me as being somewhat odd because I didn't do anything, but it was just accepted because I was hyper sober!

[CannibalSquirel]

RIP.

Talking about violence, I just got robbed here in Lisbon. 250€ to hell ( celular phone, ray-ban glasses and money ). 2 guys, and a knife on my back. What pissed me off was that knife. I mean, I do Boxing for some years now, love that, and when you think that it can be really usefull some bitch has a knife in your back. :bash:

I´m ****ing frustraded. Damm those bitches.

[TALOS]

I dont like to drink when I go out and I'm going to drive and people (inlaws included) think I am bizarre and a puritan. Even here in Canada drinking is such a huge part of recreational time that no matter where you go you find drunk ignorant morons who have labbatts bravery on.
What we need is to stop saying being drunk is a defence for violent or stupid actions, people have to be held accountable and if you drink you better be aware that anything you do could be used against you. No more of this "o he was drunk he didnt know what he was doing" too bad, charge him and the others will think twice before goin to a party or out drinking.

just my .02 cents

[Geezah]

RIP.

Talking about violence, I just got robbed here in Lisbon. 250€ to hell ( celular phone, ray-ban glasses and money ). 2 guys, and a knife on my back. What pissed me off was that knife. I mean, I do Boxing for some years now, love that, and when you think that it can be really usefull some bitch has a knife in your back. :bash:

I´m f*** frustraded. Damm those bitches.

It sucks that you were robbed but there's no point in being disappointed with yourself, two guys with a knife just be thankful they didn't finish the job and you're here to tell us what happened today.

[CannibalSquirel]

It sucks that you were robbed but there's no point in being disappointed with yourself, two guys with a knife just be thankful they didn't finish the job and you're here to tell us what happened today.

I´m not disappointed. I just wish that knife hadn´t been there.

But, afterall, you´re rigth. :|

[fantassin]

Last time I went on a pub crawl in the UK, someboy almost vomited on my **** while I was quietly having a well deserved piss. He did say sorry after though but he said he really needed the loo more than I did...

I was glad afterwhile he had shoved me to the side or else he would have vomited on my back...what Boddington does to some people...

:roll:

[NcDeuce]

Sad story.

FInd those f*ckers and fry 'em.

[AK-Lover]

**** yeah! man good thing I carry my switchblade and 6inch telescopic baton under neath my shirt! :D

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

f*** yeah! man good thing I carry my switchblade and 6inch telescopic baton under neath my shirt! :D

Unfortuneatly its starting to get to that point. I only go to bars were im go to often, nobody ever tries to start **** at my local bar. Thats why I go there often, because everyone knows who everyone is.

Thats sad though those bastards would actually do something like that, how can these people sleep at night?

[Sierra]

Thats sad. For his family and everyone and him
RIP :(

[Geezah]

Widow's plea to nail killers

A WIDOW yesterday pleaded for locals to turn in a gang of thugs who beat her husband to death on a family night out.

Christina Buckley, 42, had to watch as her beloved Frank was battered by a dozen drunks.

The dad of two was punched to the floor and one lout kept jumping on his head during the unprovoked attack.

Christina sobbed: “I’m begging anyone with any information to contact the police.

“Our family’s devastated. Please stop it happening to anyone else.”

Christina, married for 24 years, added: “How could someone do this? Frank was our rock. We’d so many plans. Frank’s mum and dad have lost their son and our two sons are in pieces.

“Frank never lost his temper. He was always the peacemaker — never the troublemaker. But that night he didn’t stand a chance even to try to defend himself.”

“This has sent shockwaves through our family. Frank held us together but now he’s gone.

“Frank idolised this family. Everything he did was for us — forever helping people. He was over the moon when our first grandchild arrived. She’ll never know what a lovely man he was.”

Frank, a building contractor of Salford, Greater Manchester, was killed after enjoying a night out to celebrate his father-in-law’s 65th birthday, on Saturday, March 13.

Three generations of the family ate at a restaurant in Swinton and went on to a wine bar.

Later, as they hailed taxis, they were attacked by thugs. A 72-year-old woman was knocked out and Frank was taken to hospital where he died on Sunday.

Police yesterday arrested a 20-year-old local man for questioning but still want to speak with anyone who was in the area that night.


Why is it socially acceptable in the UK to go out on the weekend get pissed up and get in a fight?

[big_les]

It's almost de rigeur in places like Basildon. God that place is like downtown Beirut at night. I feel like an old man saying it, but certain elements of society really are getting away with too much. I'm with you on the cracking down on violent crime thing; OK any of us could in theory find ourselves in the middle of a fight and end up with a conviction through self-defence, but for repeat offenders there should be more of a deterrent to getting blasted.

Really though, we need to unbalance the equation that says:

Scumbag + 6 cans of Stella = Innocent people getting hurt + scumbag gets away with a fine he won't even pay

Remove the booze or the scumbag and we're all better off. Once upon a time said scumbag would only set upon other scumbags (eg Teddy Boys, townie vs mental squaddie fights) but now that the media has empowered even the intellectually stunted to the point they think they're better thatn everyone else, they feel justified in random violence.

[Geezah]

It's almost de rigeur in places like Basildon. God that place is like downtown Beirut at night. I feel like an old man saying it, but certain elements of society really are getting away with too much. I'm with you on the cracking down on violent crime thing; OK any of us could in theory find ourselves in the middle of a fight and end up with a conviction through self-defence, but for repeat offenders there should be more of a deterrent to getting blasted.

Really though, we need to unbalance the equation that says:

Scumbag + 6 cans of Stella = Innocent people getting hurt + scumbag gets away with a fine he won't even pay

Remove the booze or the scumbag and we're all better off. Once upon a time said scumbag would only set upon other scumbags (eg Teddy Boys, townie vs mental squaddie fights) but now that the media has empowered even the intellectually stunted to the point they think they're better thatn everyone else, they feel justified in random violence.

Being out with my friends in Richmond I've seen the mindless voilence kick off too many times but when you're in your late teens early twenties it's accpeted because that's all you know. I think the Police as they will not allow the innocents to protect themsleves need to do more to curb public intoxication and stary locking these louts up, maybe then they might start realizing they will pay for their selfishness!
Hell....my friend in the UK crashed into another car while pissed and left the scene of the accident, the Police caught up with him a few days later but could only get him on leaving the scene and wreckless driving.

[Threelions]

Why is it socially acceptable in the UK to go out on the weekend get pissed up and get in a fight?

Same reason it is acceptable every where else. This isn't an english phenom, its everywhere. I can go to Grand Praire in Northern Alberta and see some good punch ups just the same as i can in the East End. I'd rather the drunk buffons throw fists then shoot each other. Its sad for this felars family and hope the police catch the killers. Number one lesson, dont go to Manchester, its a ****e hole!

[Geezah]

Why is it socially acceptable in the UK to go out on the weekend get pissed up and get in a fight?

Same reason it is acceptable every where else. This isn't an english phenom, its everywhere. I can go to Grand Praire in Northern Alberta and see some good punch ups just the same as i can in the East End. I'd rather the drunk buffons throw fists then shoot each other. Its sad for this felars family and hope the police catch the killers. Number one lesson, dont go to Manchester, its a ****e hole!

"I'd rather the drunk buffons throw fists then shoot each other." or jump on the poor souls head as three generations of family members look on and beg the guy to stop!
I'm sorry but I don't think that is exceptable behaviour, maybe people get leggless on Spring Break and Mardi Gras but you don't hear about things like this happeneing.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Why is it socially acceptable in the UK to go out on the weekend get pissed up and get in a fight?

Same reason it is acceptable every where else. This isn't an english phenom, its everywhere. I can go to Grand Praire in Northern Alberta and see some good punch ups just the same as i can in the East End. I'd rather the drunk buffons throw fists then shoot each other. Its sad for this felars family and hope the police catch the killers. Number one lesson, dont go to Manchester, its a ****e hole!

"I'd rather the drunk buffons throw fists then shoot each other." or jump on the poor souls head as three generations of family members look on and beg the guy to stop!
I'm sorry but I don't think that is exceptable behaviour, maybe people get leggless on Spring Break and Mardi Gras but you don't hear about things like this happeneing.
I do not know in what part of Ohio you stay in Geezah but I think crimes like this happen all over the place no matter where you stay.

[AK-Lover]

Hey buddy don't bull**** about grande prairie, i lived there and beleive me there is very little crime. except drunk indians! rofl

[Threelions]

Well it sounds like Ohio is one hell of a place! Its an unfortunate part of society but these kind of things happen everywhere. in fact, last year, or the year before i believe a man in the states was killed by another felar over a childrens hockey game!!!!!

[Geezah]

Well it sounds like Ohio is one hell of a place! Its an unfortunate part of society but these kind of things happen everywhere. in fact, last year, or the year before i believe a man in the states was killed by another felar over a childrens hockey game!!!!!

Ohio's not bad, that's why I traded Ladbroke Grove/Barnes in for it, and like I said we don't have the Public Intoxication the UK does, I don;t have to worry about going out for a meal with family then gettign my head stomped in by Lager Louts!
As far as Football Hooligans, anyone for a Chelsea Smile?

Chelsea Headhunters rule don't they! :|

[Geezah]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/lba0005l.jpgDrunk Englishmen Souvenirs

[BlackRain]

Sad storry.

It is a shame that a law abiding family can not go out in public in Greater Manchester anymore without fearing for their own safety.

Wait, I thought it was the police's responsiblity to ensure the safety of the citizens in England.

Oh yeah, that was bull**** fairy story.

The police are reactionary to crime and not preventive.

At least no guns were involved otherwise Frank Buckley, father of two, might have been killed by the muggers.

Oh yeah, that is what happened.

Unbelievable.



Officers fined after crime figures probe

26 Mar, 2004, 14:06

Two Greater Manchester police officers have been found guilty of lying in an effort to try to boost crime detection rates in Stockport. Following an internal tribunal, both officers have been fined for their dishonesty. Senior staff at Greater Manchester Police headquarters been so impressed with the crime detection rates, that they looked in detail at the figures to see what lessons could be learned. They discovered convicted criminals were confessing to crimes they knew nothing about, sometimes in return for favours. A further 15 police officers are still under investigation.

Jail terms over student death
26 Mar, 2004, 12:03

Three people involved in the death of 21 year old student Lucy Royle in Greater Manchester have been jailed today. Lucy's former boyfriend Joseph Coburn pleaded guilty last month to murdering her on waste ground near the Trafford Centre. He was jailed for life. Coburn's twin brother Gary Joyson and his girlfriend Louise Calvert were found guilty of assisting in her murder. They got six and four years respectively. Lucy had been beaten with a concrete slab and stabbed 18 times

[BlackRain]

Here is more proof that there is a lot bull**** lies about how there is never any murders by firearms in ones own home by criminals in England.



Police name man shot dead in Stretford

Detectives in Manchester have named a man who died following a shooting at a house in Stretford.

35 year old Stephen Boland was found when emergency crews were called to Brigade Drive on Wednesday night.

He died later in hospital.

A 23 year old man from Partington has been arrested.

[Threelions]

Geezah,

Headhunters dont even exist anymore. they went out when old hickey had issues with the police. I havent seen any troubles at stamford bridge in years and years. Because im a blues fan doesnt mean im some idiot hooligan. We leave that crap for the hammers and Milwall.

[Threelions]

Like i said Blackrain, Manchester is a ****e Hole!!!

[Geezah]

Geezah,

Headhunters dont even exist anymore. they went out when old hickey had issues with the police. I havent seen any troubles at stamford bridge in years and years. Because im a blues fan doesnt mean im some idiot hooligan. We leave that crap for the hammers and Milwall.

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CHELSEA V SPURS 2001

Hmmmm...I didn't say you were a Hooligan but you don't see this level of voilence over here, again it comes down to allot of it being getting lagered up and having to prove what a man you are while your mates are watching or helping as some poor bugger gets beaten to a pulp!

[Geezah]

Like i said Blackrain, Manchester is a ****e Hole!!!

And the areas around Chelsea are real quiet?

[Threelions]

you don't see this level of voilence over here

What are you talking about? I can think of a plethora of riots that have occured in the states! What about all the gang violence? Its taken a different form but the level of violence is even more prevelent in the states! I have been very very fortunate to have lived in England, Canada, and America, and the only time i got a kicking was when i lived in San Diego. Chelsea and Kensington is alot better and safer then Manchester!

[Geezah]

you don't see this level of voilence over here

What are you talking about? I can think of a plethora of riots that have occured in the states! What about all the gang violence? Its taken a different form but the level of violence is even more prevelent in the states! I have been very very fortunate to have lived in England, Canada, and America, and the only time i got a kicking was when i lived in San Diego. Chelsea and Kensington is alot better and safer then Manchester!

The only place that I'v eseen that type of violence was when I went ot a couple of Dayton Bomber games(Ice Hockey) and it was between the players but you don't see the fans getting all tribal and having to fight!

How did we get from pissed up louts to football hooligans to riots unless you're refering to the fights at footy matches as riots? So then yes they are all connected but at the same time you do not see mindless violence on par with what can happen when you leave the pub over there!

Public Intoxication is the problem if they clamp down on that I think you will see the level of violence dropped but then you got the problem with Billy and Charlie and so on.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Any chance of this getting moved to the off topic section, its interesting and all that but hardly relevent to the General Discussion section of Military Photos. Please.

[BlackRain]

Any chance of this getting moved to the off topic section, its interesting and all that but hardly relevent to the General Discussion section of Military Photos. Please.

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[Haiw]

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[Mr Gently Benevolent]

There should be FAQ for the mentally impaired due to the large amount of cranks that are posting these days, bah... what I am thinking the cranks never read the rules. ;)

I believe that one of the main reasons that the Off Topic section was created was to divert topics like this one away from General Discussion, for this topic has nothing to do with anything remotely military or even geo-political.


It is a shame that a law abiding family can not go out in public in Greater Manchester anymore without fearing for their own safety.
Pure mince. :cantbeli:

[Geezah]

There should be FAQ for the mentally impaired due to the large amount of cranks that are posting these days, bah... what I am thinking the cranks never read the rules. ;)

I believe that one of the main reasons that the Off Topic section was created was to divert topics like this one away from General Discussion, for this topic has nothing to do with anything remotely military or even geo-political.


It is a shame that a law abiding family can not go out in public in Greater Manchester anymore without fearing for their own safety.
Pure mince. :cantbeli:

I have to agree, I'm sure when he left the house on that fatal night he had no idea his brains would be kicked in by pissed up louts!