America's high-tech weaponry resting in Serbia's Museums:)

[SerbPVO]

If you're ever visiting or simply passing through Belgrade, a good place to visit is the Yugoslav Aeronautical Museum in Surcin(suburb of Belgrade), located right beside the Belgrade Airport.

All the aircraft, that were either produced or used in the Yugoslav/Serbia & Montenegro Air Force can be seen there.


http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Pupin11/Muzej/mz23.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Pupin11/Muzej/mz12.jpg

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Pupin11/Muzej/mz100.jpg


General Atomics RQ-1A Predator

http://www.airserbia.co.yu/slike/galerija/mjv/jedrilice/Predator_1.jpg

http://www.airserbia.co.yu/slike/galerija/mjv/jedrilice/Predator_2.jpg

http://www.airserbia.co.yu/slike/galerija/mjv/jedrilice/Predator_3.jpg

General Dynamics F-16C "Fighting Falcon"

http://www.airserbia.co.yu/slike/galerija/mjv/20/F-16C_1.jpg

http://www.airserbia.co.yu/slike/galerija/mjv/20/F-16C_2.jpg

http://www.airserbia.co.yu/slike/galerija/mjv/20/F-16C_3.jpg

Lockheed F-117A Night Hawk - "Stealth" figther;)

http://www.airserbia.co.yu/slike/galerija/mjv/20/F-117A_1.jpg

http://www.airserbia.co.yu/slike/galerija/mjv/20/F-117A_2.jpg

http://www.airserbia.co.yu/slike/galerija/mjv/20/F-117A_3.jpg



There's another great museum of Military Arms, in downtown Belgrade, at Kalemegdan Fortress, which also has some interesting stuff and is worth a visit.

[HELEX]

:lol:

[Haiw]

You know when an army sucks when:
-They're proud of shooting down a Predator...
;)

Just pulling yer leg :P

[AirZone]

You know when an army sucks when:
-They're proud of shooting down a Predator...
;)

Just pulling yer leg :P

rofl evil

nice photos

[RomanS]

You know when an army sucks when:
-They're proud of shooting down a Predator...
;)

Just pulling yer leg :P

this is how it all starts ****!

keep pulling those body parts, it works great around here.

[SerbPVO]

-When is a "military alliance"(ie. NATO) pathetic?
-When it claims to have destroyed 300+ Serbian tanks, instead of really only 13.

rofl rofl

[Haiw]

Yup... I suppose the whole campaign was pathetic from both sides... Serbs are happy they shot down an unmanned observation plane that flies at 100 km/h...and NATO bombed a ****load of wooden tanks. :lol:

A good example of how both sides lose in war. :D

[REMOV]

-When is a "military alliance"(ie. NATO) pathetic?
-When it claims to have destroyed 300+ Serbian tanks, instead of only 13.http://www.funnyfreepics.com/images/bored.jpg

I think is some kind of illness that everybody from Serbia or Russia must survived at this forum, don't you think? Every time such person is registered the MilitaryPhotos forum he immediately started to post the same three or seven photos (destroyed equipment from Iraq, F-117A and UAV shoot down over Yugoslavia, and so on) and almost the same slogans ("Americans are not so powerful, haha! They lost an aircraft or four tanks or field kitchen, haha!").

The most funny thing is that every such person thinks he is the first one at MilitaryPhotos and very orginal. The truth however is different ;)

[Haiw]

His remark is kinda my fault though.. I suppose my remark might have thrown a little more oil on the fire. ;)

[SerbPVO]

Nah, its nobody's fault.
Its just that...today is March 25th, one day after the fifth year anniversary of NATO bombing of my country - obviously, i'm feeling a little patriotic today.

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?

[REMOV]

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?(Yawn)

[seventy6er]

Nah, its nobody's fault.
Its just that...today is March 25th, one day after the fifth year anniversary of NATO bombing of my country - obviously, i'm feeling a little patriotic today.

And I'm proud that I was there at the time. Gotta find my T-Shirt from back then... It got exactly this logo printed on it:

http://www.afunworld.com/shared/20040325/9/po015.jpg

[Herrmannek]

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?

Existencial

[Russian Texan]

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?

***** envy

[Herrmannek]

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?

***** envy

Man if you desire it so badly we can make a comparsion....

[Russian Texan]

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?

***** envy

Man if you desire it so badly we can make a comparsion....

To compare something - you need to have it first... ;)

[RomanS]

So what did NATO accomplish in Serbia afterall?

[seventy6er]

Hm, I guess a lil bit more than you did in Chechnya and Afghanistan.

And now: let the flame-war begin... http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/spezial/Fool/box2.gif

[Haiw]

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?

***** envy
He's a guy...it's impossible. Go read Freud again.

[RomanS]

Hm, I guess a lil bit more than you did in Chechnya and Afghanistan.

And now: let the flame-war begin... http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/spezial/Fool/box2.gif

You are comparing Chechen and Arab Terrorists to Orthodox Serbian army?

[SerbPVO]

They bombed a few bridges, hospitals, schools, foreign embassies, TV stations & communication antennas, passenger trains, oil refinaries & chemical plants(detergents, not WMDs) in Pancevo, industrial factories, etc.

Success? Only to a Nazi German scum-type people.

Serbia & Montenegro's armed forces are stronger today than they have been before 1999.

[seventy6er]

You are comparing Chechen and Arab Terrorists to Orthodox Serbian army?

No. Did I say that?

[seventy6er]

They bombed a few bridges, hospitals, schools, foreign embassies, TV stations & communication antennas, passenger trains, oil refinaries & chemical plants(detergents, not WMDs) in Pancevo, industrial factories, etc.

Success? Only to a Nazi.

Ok, so all NATO-troops that took part in the operation are considered to be NAZIs?


Serbia & Montenegro's armed forces are stronger today than they have been before 1999.


You don't really think that would change anything, do you?

[Herrmannek]

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?

***** envy

Man if you desire it so badly we can make a comparsion....

To compare something - you need to have it first... ;)

Last time I checked only thing Russians had were holes in boots and photos of spam and jam(carrot one) for breakfast....

[RomanS]

How many Nato planes did our Serb brothers shoot down?

ANyways,
We will always be on Serbian side. If Nato comes there again with their bull****, more Russian volanteers will come to shoot more down German planes.

Still the best was the race to the airport in 1999. Smokedddddd

[SerbPVO]

I didn't mean it in the context that, if the NATO bombing happend today, it would have been different now.

I meant that Serbia & Montenegro's military is stronger today - which questions the ammount of damage NATO did to it back in 1999.

[Russian Texan]

Hm, I guess a lil bit more than you did in Chechnya and Afghanistan.

And now: let the flame-war begin... http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/spezial/Fool/box2.gif

Lets do it byatch! http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/sport/sport-smiley-005.gif

:lol:

[seventy6er]

If Nato comes there again with their bull****, more Russian volanteers will come to shoot more down German planes.


Didn't know the Luftwaffe lost any planes in '99 http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/spezial/Fool/hah.gif

[Russian Texan]

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?

***** envy
He's a guy...it's impossible. Go read Freud again.

Figure of speech, symbolism, humor.... any of that rings a bell?

[seventy6er]

Lets do it byatch! http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/sport/sport-smiley-005.gif

:lol:

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/spezial/Fool/box.gif

;)

[Russian Texan]

Last time I checked only thing Russians had were holes in boots and photos of spam and jam(carrot one) for breakfast....

Last time I checked Rasputin had the biggest ***** of all Europeans :lol:

[SerbPVO]

A few Luftwaffe Tornado's were downed.
They caught two German pilots hiding in a parking garage in some city in Serbia.

[Russian Texan]

Lets do it byatch! http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/sport/sport-smiley-005.gif

:lol:

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/spezial/Fool/box.gif

;)

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/sport/sport-smiley-002.gif

[RomanS]

I still dont get it. What did the Germany accomplished in Serbia?

Serbia is still there
No German language is taught in schools as first language
No German flags in Serbia
Serbians still flipping the Nato off

if Nato comes back, I would love to personally go and fight for Serbs. Believe me, I have many friends in Russia who would come too, with lots of nice toys.

[Herrmannek]

Last time I checked only thing Russians had were holes in boots and photos of spam and jam(carrot one) for breakfast....

Last time I checked Rasputin had the biggest ***** of all Europeans :lol:
Being the bigest "chuj" in the neiberhood isn't nothing to praise...realy :)

[Haiw]

Though I wonder - what problem does Mr Polish Cannon Fodder have with Serbs & Russians?

***** envy
He's a guy...it's impossible. Go read Freud again.

Figure of speech, symbolism, humor.... any of that rings a bell?
Only when it makes sense...

BTW PermskiiOMON, you're always such a big fanboy of the US, and you're happy to say Russian volunteers would go and fight NATO in Serbia...but do you realise the US is the main NATO member?

[Russian Texan]

Last time I checked only thing Russians had were holes in boots and photos of spam and jam(carrot one) for breakfast....

Last time I checked Rasputin had the biggest ***** of all Europeans :lol:
Being the bigest "chuj" in the neiberhood isn't nothing to praise...realy :)

Comes from a jealous "cracker"....
:lol:

[seventy6er]

I still dont get it. What did the Germany accomplished in Serbia?

Serbia is still there
No German language is taught in schools as first language
No German flags in Serbia
Serbians still flipping the Nato off


This might sound odd for a russian like you; wars are not always fought to overthrow a nation :roll:



if Nato comes back, I would love to personally go and fight for Serbs. Believe me, I have many friends in Russia who would come too, with lots of nice toys.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/whocares6.jpg

[Haiw]

I still dont get it. What did the Germany accomplished in Serbia?

Serbia is still there
No German language is taught in schools as first language
No German flags in Serbia
Serbians still flipping the Nato off

if Nato comes back, I would love to personally go and fight for Serbs. Believe me, I have many friends in Russia who would come too, with lots of nice toys.
Err... what?! First, NATO is not Germany... second, the wars in Yugoslavia weren't wars of conquest.

[seventy6er]

Err... what?! First, NATO is not Germany... second, the wars in Yugoslavia weren't wars of conquest.

It's all good, Haiw, He won't understand.

[RomanS]

I suport USA on war against terrorists.

Why don't you ask US citizens what they think about Clinton going and protecting Albanians.

[Guttorm]

jesus christ!

NATO wasn't there to INVADE! They were there to stop genocide...

This week, KFOR has been protecting the Serb people from Albanians, trying to kill them...



http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00038/Norsk-Kfor3_38082a.jpg

[SerbPVO]

I'm beginning to think this military forum is populated by children.

[seventy6er]

A few Luftwaffe Tornado's were downed.
They caught two German pilots hiding in a parking garage in some city in Serbia.

No Luftwaffe-jets were downed, cockhead. We only lost a drone CL-289 (and this drone is not even believed to be downed by hostile fire). Wow. :roll:

[RomanS]

This might sound odd for a russian like you; wars are not always fought to overthrow a nation :roll:

Of course not.

WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED IN SERBIA ?

how do you say it in German?

[seventy6er]

Why don't you ask US citizens what they think about Clinton going and protecting Albanians.

Most US citizend wouldn't even know what Albanians are.

[Guttorm]

Of course not.

WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED IN SERBIA ?

how do you say it in German?

Nato stopped the ongoing ethnic clensing...

[seventy6er]

WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED IN SERBIA ?


We won - we rule, hehe

Oh man, I LOVE flame-wars like that rofl

[Herrmannek]

Psst,,you will wake Argyll

[RomanS]

WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED IN SERBIA ?


We won - we rule, hehe

Oh man, I LOVE flame-wars like that rofl

WON lol

[SerbPVO]

When Al-Qaida hits Frankfurt or Berlin, like they did Madrid , I won't feel sorry.

Maybe I'll even toast with some French champagne and Russian caviar.

[admar2]

I'm beginning to think this military forum is populated by children.

tru.dat

[RomanS]

When Al-Qaida hits Frankfurt or Berlin, like they did Madrid , I won't feel sorry.

Thats wrong my friend.


Civilians have nothing to do with politics. That is very wrong to say that you wont feel sorry.

As much as I flame here with our European neighbors, terrorist attack on anyone is the worst thing of all.

Don't say that again!

[SerbPVO]

You're right:(
I didn't mean that and I apologize.

[HELEX]

SerbPVO wrote:


A few Luftwaffe Tornado's were downed.
They caught two German pilots hiding in a parking garage in some city in Serbia.

Bwahaha.... show me a Picture of one wreck rofl

[RomanS]

SerbPVO wrote:


A few Luftwaffe Tornado's were downed.
They caught two German pilots hiding in a parking garage in some city in Serbia.

Bwahaha.... show me a Picture of one wreck rofl

DO IT MAN

DO IT

he challenged you to do it !

[Groove]

We can see what Russia accomplished in Grozny for example!

Well if Russia would be the one instead of NATO flying over Yugoslavia in this conflict i dont know if your BROTHERS would have internet now or even warm water to use for bath. We know the russian armies "precision strikes" from Chechnya :backhand:

Stop this BS about NATO Permskii its getting really boring.

Groove

76er : Die Russkies hier im Forum leben abseits jeglicher Realität vor allem sind fast alle im Ausland und nicht an der Front - aber das weisse ja schon ^^

[RomanS]

We can see what Russia accomplished in Grozny for example!

Well if Russia would be the one instead of NATO flying over Yugaslavia in this conflict i dont know if your BROTHERS would have internet now or even warm water to use for bath.

Stop this BS about NATO Permskii its getting really boring.

Groove

76er : Die Russkies hier im Forum leben abseits jeglicher Realität vor allem sind fast alle im Ausland und nicht an der Front - aber das weisse ja schon ^^

Grozny ?

We actually accomplished a lot. The Arab Terrorists don't show their faces anymore. Most of the Chechen resistance is hiding in Itum Kali region. Thats wayyyyy South.

The local life is back to their daily routine. There are now stores, cafes, schools and even the light and gas is back.

The reason we are holding off on sending a tons of construction crews, is because they always get kidnaped by Chechen freedom fighters, and held for ransom.

Amazing isn't it? They come to reconstruct Grozny, and get kidnaped, and their heads are removed for it.

As for our goals in Chechnya, I with all my pride must say Second Chechen operation is a sucsess. You know why?

Because the other side turned into terrorism.
If you can't see that, or agree with it... what can I say about you than.

[Groove]

Well you leveled Grozny and now you try to sell this like a accomplished mission. So NATO would should level Beograd ? Then NATO would have balls right ?

Lol Permskii - i like your pics but sometimes you are like living in some strange "world" for yourself.

Greetings

Groove

[WolverineBlue]

First, NATO was in Kosovo to stop the bloodletting that was done by both sides (mostly the Serbs, but there were some atrocities by the Albanians). Secondly, the "race to the airport" was a friggin' joke, Permskii...who the hell cared. Good for your paras. Thank God Russia actually participated in helping to address the real problem -- genocide.

[He219]

They bombed a few bridges, hospitals, schools, foreign embassies, TV stations & communication antennas, passenger trains, oil refinaries & chemical plants(detergents, not WMDs) in Pancevo, industrial factories, etc.
http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/670821.jpg?x=x&a=670821&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/670819.jpg?x=x&a=670819&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/670818.jpg?x=x&a=670818&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/671355.jpg?x=x&a=671355&b=editorial&t=1

Ethnic Albanian boys play war games on a destroyed Yugoslav Army tanks January 10, 2001 in Klina, Kosovo. The tanks were destroyed during the 1999 NATO bombing campaign.


The following are a pictures taken from a video (http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/images/serb.mpg) of an air strike on a Serb radar installation.

http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/serb1.jpg

http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/serb2.jpg

http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/serb3.jpg

http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/serb4.jpg

WHY?

http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/812263.jpg?x=x&a=812263&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/1604205.jpg?x=x&a=1604205&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/1160025.jpg?x=x&a=1160025&b=editorial&t=1
http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/1603341.jpg?x=x&a=1603341&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/1603337.jpg?x=x&a=1603337&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/1141675.jpg?x=x&a=1141675&b=editorial&t=1
http://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/13/48/90/13489046/0000350085-011.jpghttp://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/12/66/66/12666624/UT0013257.jpghttp://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/13/51/38/13513894/0000354183-005.jpghttp://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/13/47/10/13471094/0000346861-004.jpg
http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/751894.jpg?x=x&a=751894&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/751890.jpg?x=x&a=751890&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/1510641.jpg?x=x&a=1510641&b=editorial&t=1

362435 03: A coroner performs an autopsy at the Pristina Hospital as United Nations officials look on December 15, 1999 in Pristina, Yugoslavia. In March 1999, following the breakdown of negotiations between Serbia and Albanian Kosovars and the continued repression of ethnic Albanians in the province, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization began bombing military targets in Serbia. (Photo by Roger Lemoyne/Liaison)


So what did NATO accomplish in Serbia afterall?

http://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/13/52/93/13529393/0000355813-006.jpghttp://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/13/52/93/13529392/0000355813-005.jpghttp://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/13/52/78/13527874/0000355662-005.jpghttp://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/13/52/78/13527872/0000355662-002.jpg

SERB SOLDIERS LEAVE KOSOVO

.... Regieme Change
http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/2831515.jpg?x=x&a=2831515&b=afp&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/666311.jpg?x=x&a=666311&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/665931.jpg?x=x&a=665931&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/664014.jpg?x=x&a=664014&b=editorial&t=1

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/665919.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DE8202B267B0E1ADE8E54FAB60F42A51F3

379751 14: An estimated 400,000 people gather to hear Dr. Vojislav Kostunica speak from the balcony of City Hall October 5, 2000 in Belgrade, Yugoslavia. Kostunica has claimed that he is the new President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

And Slobo's date at The Hague:

http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/1321803.jpg?x=x&a=1321803&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/1321772.jpg?x=x&a=1321772&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/1321807.jpg?x=x&a=1321807&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/695760.jpg?x=x&a=695760&b=editorial&t=1http://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/thumb/14/53/17/14531700/0000282074-004.jpg



Success? Only to a Nazi German scum-type people.
:roll:

[tooms]

The NATO goal was to kick serbian army out from the Kosovo, wasn't it ?

http://www.el-mundo.es/especiales/2002/12/resumen/images/milosevic.jpg

[WolverineBlue]

He219 -- well explained and detailed.

[CX20]

SerbPVO wrote:


A few Luftwaffe Tornado's were downed.
They caught two German pilots hiding in a parking garage in some city in Serbia.

Bwahaha.... show me a Picture of one wreck rofl

Actually he's right. Two Luftwaffe Tornadoes were confirmed as shot down on the 26th/27th March 1999. Another two Tornadoes were shot down on April 15th and May 26th. The report states that it is unknown whether or not these were German or British, however they were later confirmed as German.

http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2000/tim2000-5-1.html

"A fuel tank (2250-liter Hindenburger) of a Tornado bomber jet shot down over Pozarevac on 05-26-99"

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/fueltank12.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/fueltank10.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/fueltank14.jpg

[DE_Six]

He219 hits the nail straight on the head, as usual.

Enough said.


Actually he's right. Two Luftwaffe Tornadoes were confirmed as shot down on the 26th/27th March 2000. Another two Tornadoes were shot down on April 15th and May 26th, although it is not confirmed if those were German or British.

http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2000/tim2000-5-1.html


That link is less than unreliable. It's blatantly biased, to a point it sounds like open propaganda.


Since both Moscow and Washington know that if Russia were to release a proof (electronic surveillance recordings, for example) which back up its claims about the NATO losses, this would have a devastating effect on NATO/NWO. For, the whole world would then know that a tiny Yugoslav Army had whipped the arrogant and omnipotent aggressor, using some fairly outdated weaponry, but more than making up for it with cunning and bravery of its officers and troops.

Riiight...the New World Order... :cantbeli:

Such claims need a solid backing to be even remotely believable.


The only reason was the April 26, 1999 attack carried out by Yugoslav "Galeb" fighters against "Rinas" airport located near Albania's capital of Tirana, where the Apaches were based. That day two groups of these light helicopters were destroyed and over 10 helicopters were damaged."


And nobody took pictures? Over 10 helicopters destroyed and not a single witness?


Among the destroyed aircraft were five German "Tornadoes," several British "Harriers'" two French "Mirages," Belgian, Dutch, and Canadian aircraft. On June 7 the USAF lost a B-52 strategic bomber, while on May 20 a B-2A "Spirit" was shot down."


These claims have been beaten to death on every possible military forums, including the very serious ACIG.org, without a single evidence confirming them ever surfacing. B-52s were not even engaged over Kosovo.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

HE219 nails it.

[rfountain]

He219 explained it exactly. Ethnic hatred and violence should not be tolerated regardless if they acts are from, friends or allies, and this goes completely around the table.

[RomanS]

So ALbanians didnt commit atrocities against orthodox Christians???

[WolverineBlue]

So ALbanians didnt commit atrocities against orthodox Christians???

Probably -- I don't have any evidence handy, but it doesn't matter -- it's all wrong any way you look at it.

[DE_Six]

So ALbanians didnt commit atrocities against orthodox Christians???

See Guttorm's post:


jesus christ!

NATO wasn't there to INVADE! They were there to stop genocide...

This week, KFOR has been protecting the Serb people from Albanians, trying to kill them...


http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00038/Norsk-Kfor3_38082a.jpg

[ibstolidude]

You know when an army sucks when:
-They're proud of shooting down a Predator...
;)

Just pulling yer leg :P

this is how it all starts ****!

keep pulling those body parts, it works great around here.
Really I thought it started like this

:lol:

[tooms]

"Among the destroyed aircraft were five German "Tornadoes," several British "Harriers'" two French "Mirages," Belgian, Dutch, and Canadian aircraft. On June 7 the USAF lost a B-52 strategic bomber, while on May 20 a B-2A "Spirit" was shot down." "

A B2 spirit was shot down ??


OMFG !!

:bash:

[seventy6er]

Actually he's right. Two Luftwaffe Tornadoes were confirmed as shot down on the 26th/27th March 1999. Another two Tornadoes were shot down on April 15th and May 26th. The report states that it is unknown whether or not these were German or British, however they were later confirmed as German.


Do you really think someone believes anything from that funny propaganda site? They state that


between 30 and 32 unmanned reconnaissance vehicles, including at least 16 American, 7 German, and 5 French UAVs.

were shot down. Funny thing I don't know about the 7 lost German drones. I was there from March - August '99 and worked with the drone-battery from Hardheim; we only lost 1 (repeat: ONE) drone.

And 0 (repeat: zero, none) Tornados were shot down.

[ibstolidude]

How many Nato planes did our Serb brothers shoot down?

ANyways,
We will always be on Serbian side. If Nato comes there again with their bull****, more Russian volanteers will come to shoot more down German planes.
from the Serbs own forces http://www.yuairwar.com/gubici3.asp

How many successful air sorties did the Serbs fly against NATO?


Still the best was the race to the airport in 1999. Smokedddddd
Hey Smoked - How long did they hold that airport to themselves? Did Russia acheive their own sector as they desired? How where those re-supply flights.... ohh that's right overflight was denied by former soviet states under EU and NATO pressure.

[ibstolidude]

I still dont get it. What did the Germany accomplished in Serbia?

Serbia is still there
No German language is taught in schools as first language
No German flags in Serbia
Serbians still flipping the Nato off

if Nato comes back, I would love to personally go and fight for Serbs. Believe me, I have many friends in Russia who would come too, with lots of nice toys.
COMESE BACK?? they are still in Serbia!

[tooms]

COMESE BACK?? they are still in Serbia!

they are in kosovo ?

[ibstolidude]

Why don't you ask US citizens what they think about Clinton going and protecting Albanians.

Most US citizend wouldn't even know what Albanians are.
As compared to the UBER-educated and highly superior Arian race we are all inferior

Hey what was Ustasha anyway?

[ibstolidude]

COMESE BACK?? they are still in Serbia!

they are in kosovo ?
http://www.nato.int/kfor/welcome.html
yeah I'd say NATO is in Serbia, how about you?

[HELEX]

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/fueltank14.jpg



You know the difference between a unidentified dropped fuel Tank and a Plane, do you? :cantbeli:

http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie.php?smile_ID=726

Bring on more funny Proofs....

[ibstolidude]

The discussion needs to remain civil - all sides of this arguement have tried to pull it into a flame war - and both sides also have posts trying to keep it "on track" as a discussion.

Lets not have to lock this because it gets way out of hand.

thanks

[tooms]

http://www.nato.int/kfor/welcome.html
yeah I'd say NATO is in Serbia, how about you?

??? i dont understand well.
there are NATO soldiers in Serbia? It's just a question.

[He219]

NATO and the UN have reaffirmed that Kosovo is a province of Serbia.


So ALbanians didnt commit atrocities against orthodox Christians???
Certainly there are elements that have.

Classifying Muslim Kosovars as 'terrorists' or Orthodox Christian Serbs as the 'enemy' is an injustice to those who obey the rule of law/humanity.

Do not stereotype as you would be guilty of promoting racism. The most recent violence perpetrated against Serbs by radical Muslim Kosovars relates directly to racial profiling and hate.

Milosevic demonstrated a pattern of using Serbian Nationalism to pursue an agenda of ethnic cleansing.

It is not a virtue to promote Hate if you consider yourself to be Christian, yet alone Orthodox. Attempt to demonstrate tollerance if you wish to promote the path to Peace.

[seventy6er]

As compared to the UBER-educated and highly superior Arian race we are all inferior


:roll:

[RomanS]

Why did NATO chose to accuse just Serbians, but not as well as Albanian muslims?

Both sides commited atrocities, its a visible fact. ITs just NATO didnt want to be on SERB side because they are very close to those evil commie Russians.

Too bad Serbs don't have nuclear and ballistic weapons, otherwise NATO wouldn't even dare to fly their planes over them.

THATS WHY NATO IS all about TALK and and can only bully those who can't bite back.

Don't you agree?

As much as NATO talks **** about Russia and Chechnya, they just can't do a damn thing! Why?

Because if not Russias nuclear and other powerfull weapons in our arsenal, NATO planes would be flying all over Russia protecting poor innocent Chechens, and you would see the blue helmets all over Grozny.

Here some FOOD FOR BRAIN
This is who NATO fought for
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980000-kla-petkovic-terror.htm

try searching SERBIAN TERRORISTS in google

Almost same situation.

[tooms]

PermskiiMoron:

Why did Russia not help Serbia against NATO...

we are off topic.

[RomanS]

from the article

"Dogs of war" come to Kosovo and Metohija from Afghanistan, Chechenia, Turkey, Pakistan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia and western Europe. They all converge to the Albanian town of Tropoya - hometown of former Albanian president Sali Berisha."


damn

No worries guys, keep resisting to those evil Serbs, they won't do **** to you. You got NATO planes and tanks to protect you if SHTF.

Interesting issue arrises. After NATO stoped bombings on Serb villages and other targets, I haven't seen a single Serb suicide bomber, or Serb terrorist. Don't you think they should of avanged the NATO for what they did in Serbia?

Why didn't they do anything?

Should we touch Albanian subject ?

[Truthsayer]

PermskiiMoron:

Why did Russia not help Serbia against NATO...

we are off topic.

Because they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. ^^

[RomanS]

PermskiiMoron:

Why did Russia not help Serbia against NATO...

we are off topic.

We did,

Too bad we came in late.

Our 76th Peacekeeping VDV division protected our Sebr brothers, and no NATO forces dared to bomb where Russian VDV was staying. But we can't babysit the Serbians forever. We already look bad in front of the world for killing half a millon Chechen innocent people. We're too buys burruying all the evidence, before the Chechens show up with cameras.

Thank god, they haven't yet.

[WolverineBlue]

Oh, I get it now. The Serbs, Slavs, Russians whatever, are defenders of Christian faith in Eastern Europe -- it's so clear to me now.

[ibstolidude]

Don't you agree?

As much as NATO talks **** about Russia and Chechnya, they just can't do a damn thing! Why?

Because if not Russias nuclear and other powerfull weapons in our arsenal, NATO planes would be flying all over Russia protecting poor innocent Chechens, and you would see the blue helmets all over Grozny.

Actually I dont agree.

NATO is weaker in many ways than a smaller coalition of independent states (i.e. the USA, UK, and Germany) performing a militayr action. This is due mostly to the individual members states individual and collective (EU) agendas.

& NATO does not propose to interfere into Chechnya for the same reason the US would not - it has no leg to stand on. The US had got involved in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation and obviously the Soviets knew it, and could prove it. And yet the Soviets were a nuclear power a that time. Policies change, administrations change, focus shifts.... the US wishes to conduct (and has for years) it's own unilateral military campaigns and therefore has no leg to stand on.... European countries have their own agenda.

Now I will agree that Serbia/Kosovo crisis can be called an overreaction to the tragedies that befell BiH.


Why did NATO chose to accuse just Serbians, but not as well as Albanian muslims? - I do agree that MORE albanian Kosovars shoudl be indicted by the ICTY/Hague - and should be actively pursued.

[RomanS]

Don't you agree?

As much as NATO talks **** about Russia and Chechnya, they just can't do a damn thing! Why?

Because if not Russias nuclear and other powerfull weapons in our arsenal, NATO planes would be flying all over Russia protecting poor innocent Chechens, and you would see the blue helmets all over Grozny.

Actually I dont agree.

NATO is weaker in many ways than a smaller coalition of independent states (i.e. the USA, UK, and Germany) performing a militayr action. This is due mostly to the individual members states individual and collective (EU) agendas.

& NATO does not propose to interfere into Chechnya for the same reason the US would not - it has no leg to stand on. The US had got involved in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation and obviously the Soviets knew it, and could prove it. And yet the Soviets were a nuclear power a that time. Policies change, administrations change, focus shifts.... the US wishes to conduct (and has for years) it's own unilateral military campaigns and therefore has no leg to stand on.... European countries have their own agenda.

Now I will agree that Serbia/Kosovo crisis can be called an overreaction to the tragedies that befell BiH.


Why did NATO chose to accuse just Serbians, but not as well as Albanian muslims? - I do agree that MORE albanian Kosovars shoudl be indicted by the ICTY/Hague - and should be actively pursued.

My take on Serb conflict is to let them solve it without anyone's interference.

As for Chechnya and USA, its a matter of a time before evidence uncovers about CIA's advising to the Dudaev's crew in 1995.

Seeing Russia winning in Chechnya, is like seeing USSR landing on the moon. So a lot of resources were dumped into making Russia fail in Chechnya. Use your head for this, its easy to figure out.

The only problem is we are not coming out of Chechnya ever again. Only in a casket, they are done!

[RomanS]

Oh, I get it now. The Serbs, Slavs, Russians whatever, are defenders of Christian faith in Eastern Europe -- it's so clear to me now.

How smart you are!

I didnt even know Slavs were in the Eastern Europe. I thought only the Australians

[Midav]

You know when an army sucks when:
-They're proud of shooting down a Predator...
;)

Just pulling yer leg :P

rofl

Now, had it been a D-21 drone... ;)

[ibstolidude]

As for Chechnya and USA, its a matter of a time before evidence uncovers about CIA's advising to the Dudaev's crew in 1995.

Seeing Russia winning in Chechnya, is like seeing USSR landing on the moon. So a lot of resources were dumped into making Russia fail in Chechnya. Use your head for this, its easy to figure out.
Actually my head points me another direction - considering the "pulse" of the administration at that time - It is likely that did not happen. Although I don't doubt that the US has it's agents in the area (as certainly russian have been in places of US strategic interests); I just doubt the nature of the relationships - but as you said only time will tell.

[He219]

try searching SERBIAN TERRORISTS in google

Google Search for Serbian Terrorists:

SERBIAN TERRORISTS ARM SADDAM HUSSEIN (http://www.geocities.com/serb_terrorism/serbian.terrorists.html)

Another massacre committed by serbian terrorists over civil ... (http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Massacres10.htm)

Serbian Terrorists responsible for WWW1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand)

p-)

[RomanS]

[quote="PermskiiOMON"]As for Chechnya and USA, its a matter of a time before evidence uncovers about CIA's advising to the Dudaev's crew in 1995.

Seeing Russia winning in Chechnya, is like seeing USSR landing on the moon. So a lot of resources were dumped into making Russia fail in Chechnya. Use your head for this, its easy to figure out. [quote]
Actually my head points me another direction - considering the "pulse" of the administration at that time - It is likely that did not happen. Although I don't doubt that the US has it's agents in the area (as certainly russian have been in places of US strategic interests); I just doubt the nature of the relationships - but as you said only time will tell.

My little bird tells me that in US there were many sponsors of the Chechen resistance. Russia politely asked US officials to cut the funding coming to the Chechen fighters. Now the US government probably didnt openly helped to fund Chechen resistance, but you will be surpriced if you knew wich independent companies in US did.

I will give Clinton's administration a credit for puting a vail on the money bag going to Chechnya, accept now it was going to the refugees in Ingushetia. And we all know how much of that money ever made it to the Ingush camps.

The point is brother, Russia in US will only become true friends in our dreams, and it fu kin hurts me.

[WolverineBlue]

Oh, I get it now. The Serbs, Slavs, Russians whatever, are defenders of Christian faith in Eastern Europe -- it's so clear to me now.

How smart you are!

I didnt even know Slavs were in the Eastern Europe. I thought only the Australians

Easy there, comrade -- I was making a backhanded statement about the former regimes of Eastern Europe -- didn't matter if you were a Jew, Muslim, Orthodox Christian or Eskimo, one was f****d in any case because the only god was the bullsh*t imperialist Stalinist genocidal "communist" politburo.

Now, Russia, get out of the way -- let the US and its allies handle the world's problems while you deal with Chechnya and your rotting navy.

[RomanS]

Oh, I get it now. The Serbs, Slavs, Russians whatever, are defenders of Christian faith in Eastern Europe -- it's so clear to me now.

How smart you are!

I didnt even know Slavs were in the Eastern Europe. I thought only the Australians

Easy there, comrade -- I was making a backhanded statement about the former regimes of Eastern Europe -- didn't matter if you were a Jew, Muslim, Orthodox Christian or Eskimo, one was f****d in any case because the only god was the bullsh*t imperialist Stalinist genocidal "communist" politburo.

Now, Russia, get out of the way -- let the US and its allies handle the world's problems while you deal with Chechnya and your rotting navy.

My pleasure,

jsut keep your dirty hands off Chechnya, and mind your own business in your hot spots.

If this is how you all think, than GOD HELP YOU IN YOUR FIGHT ON TERRORISM!

[RomanS]

Now, Russia, get out of the way -- let the US and its allies handle the world's problems while you deal with Chechnya and your rotting navy.

How many American fellas will agree with the comment above?

[WolverineBlue]

Oh, I get it now. The Serbs, Slavs, Russians whatever, are defenders of Christian faith in Eastern Europe -- it's so clear to me now.

How smart you are!

I didnt even know Slavs were in the Eastern Europe. I thought only the Australians

Easy there, comrade -- I was making a backhanded statement about the former regimes of Eastern Europe -- didn't matter if you were a Jew, Muslim, Orthodox Christian or Eskimo, one was f****d in any case because the only god was the bullsh*t imperialist Stalinist genocidal "communist" politburo.

Now, Russia, get out of the way -- let the US and its allies handle the world's problems while you deal with Chechnya and your rotting navy.

My pleasure,

jsut keep your dirty hands off Chechnya, and mind your own business in your hot spots.

If this is how you all think, than GOD HELP YOU IN YOUR FIGHT ON TERRORISM!

I know -- what I said was a little harsh. What I mean is that we just all need to focus on the enemy: racial/ethnic/religious warfare, not World War V (WWIII being the Cold War, WWIV in progress now).

[WolverineBlue]

You are just so manly, Permskii, I can't help myself!!!

:hug:

[HELEX]

Hey SerbPVO, I'm still waiting for Proofs of shot down Tornados... p-)

[RuSoKaR]

try searching SERBIAN TERRORISTS in google

Google Search for Serbian Terrorists:

SERBIAN TERRORISTS ARM SADDAM HUSSEIN (http://www.geocities.com/serb_terrorism/serbian.terrorists.html)

Another massacre committed by serbian terrorists over civil ... (http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Massacres10.htm)

Serbian Terrorists responsible for WWW1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand)

p-)

another thing from one of those sites.


SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS ENGAGED IN A HOLY WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS AND CATHOLICS

all those sites are propaganda.

[RomanS]

Hey SerbPVO, I'm still waiting for Proofs of shot down Tornados... p-)

loool

I am curious as well

[Ichhabe]

Hey SerbPVO, I'm still waiting for Proofs of shot down Tornados... p-)

Patiece, patience. Photoshopping do take some time. ;)

[Marmot1]

DAMN Such a nice flame war and I missed it... :(

[seventy6er]

We can go on to next round, if you want, bro ;)

[DLodge]

If anyone is curious, here is a good abstract that analyzes the successes and failures of Operation Allied Force:

Lessons for the Future

On March 24, 1999, NATO forces initiated an air war against Serbia in an effort to put an end to the human rights abuses that were then being perpetrated against the ethnic Albanian population in Kosovo. This bombing effort, code-named Operation Allied Force, ended 78 days later with the capitulation of Yugoslavia's president, Slobodan Milosevic, and the subsequent withdrawal of Serbian army and paramilitary forces from Kosovo. Yet despite its success in bringing about Milosevic's defeat, Operation Allied Force was a suboptimal use of air power to resolve a regional conflict. Although NATO's air offensive ultimately proved crucial to Milosevic's decision to submit to NATO's terms, a host of deficiencies--both strategic and operational--protracted the air effort and hampered its overall effectiveness. Figure 1 shows a map of the immediate area of operations.

In NATO's Air War for Kosovo: A Strategic and Operational Assessment, RAND researcher Benjamin S. Lambeth offers a thorough appraisal of Operation Allied Force, with a view toward shedding light both on the operation's strengths and on its most salient weaknesses. After outlining the main highlights of NATO's air offensive, the study examines the various factors that interacted to induce Milosevic to capitulate when he did. It then explores air power's most notable accomplishments in Allied Force, as well as the many problems and sources of friction that hindered the operation both in its planning and in its execution. Finally, the report assesses Operation Allied Force from a political and strategic perspective, calling attention to those issues that are likely to have the greatest bearing on future military policymaking.

Figure 1--The Operations Arena

WHY MILOSEVIC CONCEDED: A STEP BACK

Although NATO's bombing effort in the end played the determining role in bringing about Milosevic's defeat, a host of additional factors also figured importantly in this respect. In addition to the damage that was being wrought by NATO's air attacks, for example, another factor that very likely contributed to Milosevic's surrender was the sheer depravity of Serbia's conduct in Kosovo, which ultimately stripped it of what little remained of international support, most notably from the Russians. Yet another element that may have come into play was pressure from Yugoslavia's elite, for whom NATO's bombing of key industrial and economic interests in and around Belgrade had begun to take an intensely personal toll.
Milosevic was, in addition, almost surely aware of the growing potential for a ground invasion as NATO's air war progressed. By the end of May 1999, it had become clear that NATO had increasingly accepted the need to go ahead with a ground invasion in the event that its air effort alone failed to bring about a decisive outcome. Although senior officials in Washington remained highly resistant to proceeding with that course right up the very end, Milosevic cannot have failed to apprehend the implications of such a possibility.

At the same time, Milosevic was bearing witness to an escalating air war that showed no signs of abating (Figure 2). Although NATO's efforts to find and attack dispersed and hidden enemy forces in Kosovo had proved largely ineffective, an increasing number of infrastructure targets were being hit each day, and these attacks were taking a mounting toll both on Yugoslavia's leadership and on the population as a whole. It is thus likely that NATO's air offensive ultimately convinced Milosevic that the alliance not only intended to persist in its attacks but was determined to prevail. In the end, the sustained bombing, although by no means the sole factor responsible for the success of Allied Force, set the stage for Milosevic's capitulation by making it clear that he had little to gain by holding out.1
Figure 2--Conflict Timeline

OPERATIONAL ISSUES: THE AIR WAR IN ACTION
Much of the controversy surrounding Operation Allied Force has pivoted on the discrepancy between what the NATO allies expected and what they ultimately encountered. Although NATO initially sought to neutralize Serbia's air defenses, the alliance soon discovered that the Serbs kept most of their surface-to-air missiles dispersed with their radars not emitting, rendering them difficult to find and attack. At the same time, the Serbs' heavy man-portable air defenses and antiaircraft artillery forced NATO aircrews to conduct bombing attacks from an altitude of 15,000 ft or higher, which sometimes hampered the visual identification of targets and successfully distinguishing between military convoys and civilian refugees.
Mobile enemy troops in Kosovo also proved to be more capable and tenacious foes than had been anticipated. Operating under the cover of inclement weather and shielded by mountainous terrain, Serb forces were frequently able to disperse and conceal their weapons, thereby eluding allied efforts to find and attack them in a timely way. This shortcoming protracted the overall allied effort, eventually occasioning a more determined pursuit of infrastructure targets in and around Belgrade.

Despite unprecedented pressure to avoid civilian casualties and unintended collateral damage, Operation Allied Force also fell prey to a number of bombing errors, including the widely publicized inadvertent bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. Although some of these errors were a natural consequence of NATO-imposed operational constraints and Serbia's uncongenial spring weather, the extraordinary media attention that was paid to them further detracted from the overall effectiveness of the campaign by starkly showing what can happen when achieving zero collateral damage becomes not just a desired goal of allied strategy but also the expectation.

STRATEGIC ISSUES: AN OVERVIEW

Operation Allied Force left in its wake a number of questions regarding its overall strategy and execution. To begin with, allied planners erred badly at the very outset of the campaign by failing to appreciate Kosovo's profound historical and cultural significance to the Serbs. This critical error in judgment led to the allies' flawed assumption that Milosevic would capitulate to NATO demands without the need for an aggressive or protracted engagement.
NATO's operation in Kosovo was further hampered by the need to achieve consensus among its politically diverse member states, many of which were hesitant to use significant force in what was essentially a humanitarian operation. This requirement for unanimity on at least the basics of allied strategy led not only to the outright rejection of a ground option from the very start but also to the imposition of exceptionally stringent rules of engagement. Added to this mix of coalition restraints were internal disagreements within the U.S. component of the alliance over target priorities and broader force employment strategy, which further undermined the effectiveness of NATO's efforts.

NATO'S AIR WAR IN PERSPECTIVE

Operation Allied Force was the most intense and sustained military operation to have been conducted in Europe since the end of World War II. It also represented the first extended use of military force by NATO as well as the first time air forces had successfully coerced an enemy leader in the absence of significant friendly ground-force involvement. Although the operation failed to halt Milosevic's ethnic cleansing campaign, it succeeded in reversing that campaign by forcing Milosevic to accede to NATO's demands.

At the same time, NATO's air war suffered from a number of critical shortcomings. On an operational level, the allies' attempts to find and attack dispersed and hidden enemy ground forces in Kosovo proved largely unsuccessful, enabling Milosevic to accelerate his ethnic cleansing campaign against the Kosovar Albanians even as NATO's bombing efforts intensified. On a strategic level, the operation's desultory onset, restrictive rules of engagement, and ill-conceived strategy hobbled the allies' effort by compromising their ability to engage a wily and determined foe. In the end, Operation Allied Force's most noteworthy distinction may lie in the fact that the bombing effort prevailed despite the myriad impediments it faced. In light of that, perhaps the most telling lesson to be drawn from Operation Allied Force is that however capable air forces may have become in principle compared to other force elements, they can never be more effective than the strategy they are intended to support.
The entire book, not just the abstract, can be found at http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1365/ in PDF form. And,with regards to accuracy and impartiality, the Rand Corporation is a very highly respected Washington think-tank whose primary job is to critique. There is no sugar-coating here.

Also, as far as the wild claims of Serbian shoot-downs of B-2s and whatnot, there are absolutely no reputable sources, from Jane's to the BBC to The New York Times, who dispute NATO's claim that only two manned allied aircraft, an F-16 and an F-117, were downed by hostile fire. Rumors of more are pure fantasy.

Hopefully this should help set the record straight.

[Operation Ivy]

hmm i think HELEX is from Germany :P

[George W. Bush]

The reason Russia ****ed up in Chechnya is because of Russia's government, not the people.

The U.S. is doing MUCH better in A-stan and Iraq because we have lots of money to put into both countries.

Same fight different circumstances.

[usa320]

YES... another "My dad will kick your dads ass" thread...these are nearly as good as the "my 2 inch ***** is longer than yours" style of threads.

:roll:

[Operation Ivy]

um put links to the pictures, some people may not wish to see them :|

[Vintendo]

^^^
I'm sure people can post equally graphic photos of Muslims killed by Serbs not only in Kosovo but in Croatia and Bosnia as well...

Anyways you Serbs are making it sound like your country did nothing wrong then suddenly the evil Americans and NATO decided to come and bomb you for no reason. We stood by while the genocide raged in Croatia and Bosnia and finally decided to step in when we saw the same thing happening in Kosovo.
Yes in war there will be always civilian casualties, and that is very sad, but that doesn't make Serbia innocent.

[AK-Lover]

You hit it right on the mark! WE ARE innocent! I bet you if George Bush was president then he would ahve HELPED us take out those albanian terrorists and what you saw and heard in the western media woulkd have been very different.

[Vintendo]

Yes, I'm sure the Americans would go to a Muslim village, round up all the men and then shoot them. Then when the world reacts, America would claim innocence... Yea.

[AK-Lover]

Albanian terrorists as in the KLA (who had ties to Al-Qaida) and their supporters which was probably about 90-95 % at the time so i guess that works out.

Yes, I'm sure the Americans would go to a Muslim village, round up all the men and then shoot them. Then when the world reacts, America would claim innocence
You already did that in Vietnam so I don't think it would be that much of a problem! :P

[SerbPVO]

Seriously.

[DLodge]

Don't even start with those pictures were posed or some **** like that! :bash: the NATO aggression was unjustified and killed innocent people for that Clinton f*** sake! :slap:
You have got to be kidding me. Human Rights Watch (a much more reliable source than the Yugoslav government) reports about 500 civilian deaths as a result of Operation Allied Force. http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/02/nato207.htm

In contrast (and this is a tame description)...

Approximately 800,000 Kosovo Albanian civilians were expelled from the province by their forced removal and subsequent looting and destruction of their homes, or by the shelling of villages. Surviving residents were sent to the borders of neighbouring countries. En route, many were killed, abused and had their possessions and identification papers stolen. Furthermore, specific massacres allegedly committed by Serb forces in places such as Djakovica/Gjakovë, Suva Reka/Suharekë, Racak/Reçak, Bela Crkva/Bellacërkë, Mala Krusa/Krusë e Vogël, Velika Krusa/Krushë e Madhe, Padaliste/Padalishtë, Izbica/Izbicë, Vucitrn/Vushtrri, Dubrava/Dubravë Prison complex, Meja/Mejë and Kacanik/Kacanik...
http://www.un.org/icty/glance/milosevic.htm

If I wanted to I could fill 20 pages with pictures of men, women and children who had been murdered at the hands of Milosevic's thugs (they can be found at http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs.htm). That the Serb forces committed horrific war crimes is indisputable. You can criticize NATO's handling of the war, you can criticize the tactics and weaponry employed, but please don't say it was unjustified. The savage atrocities inflicted upon the Albanian civilian population were more than enough to justify the NATO intervention.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Your living in a dream world serb boy.

[iflu]

anyway...I do not care what REALLY happened there between nato and serbs...

BUT!!!!!!!!!

u americans just got NO RIGHT to bomb the Chinese Embassy!!!!

This is TERRORISM!!!!!

[StukaJr]

The following are a pictures taken from a video of an air strike on a Serb radar installation.

http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/serb3.jpg

Now, correct me if I'm wrong... I guess you guys have Superman vision or something, but I see no indications that this man is military, armed, serb, eskimo, flying a kite...

I'm not fishing for any human right violations here - it's just interesting to know how the identification is conducted entirely from the air... not like somebody went down to check things out... Obviously, this humanoid looking thingie was at the military installation - beyond that, what's the arguement?

[ibstolidude]

@ AK LOVER - Edit your post immediately or it WILL be deleted

Post those pictures using the URL funtion or do not post.

The rules are clear about the use of graphic images.

[AK-Lover]

well sorry but I don't know how, and seeing as how you americans delete any posts that are not to you're interests i really don't care if you do. since there is really no point to argue because it can last forever I'll just state my view:
I don't beleive that we commited crimes in kosovo and that we were there to protect serbs and christianity against islamic terrorism and that CLinton used this as an excuse to get attention of his monica lewinsky scandal also I don't beleive anything the western media says and this also includes Human Rights Watch which by the way is an american based organization. Also I think that if we did commit any "crimes" in kosovo that they were justified as revenge for all the oppression the serbs have suffered under muslims since Ottoman rule.

This is just my view so please don't flame me, let's just move on okay? :D :hug:

[obd]

The funniest thing I ever read about the break up of Yugoslavia was when a few Croatian farmers with Ak-47's routed an entire army of Serbian forces who ran like babies for the hills when faced with real men. Sure, a Chetnik might be ferocious when he is burning villages, stealing jewelery, raping women, slitting babies thraots, torturing children and sniping at journalists but when he encounters professional soldiers he either surrenders or runs for the hills

I absolutely would have loved to see American infantry give the Serbs bloody noses. You say if Bush had been around he would have helped you? How little you know. If Bush had been around when you bastards captured those three Americans then your entire nation would be a steaming pile of mud right now....Oh waite thats right, just like the Somali's who gave back Michael Durant: When we told you to either give them back or face an all out American infantry assault hell bent on revenge and killing everything in area, you bent over, took it up the ass, and gave back our boys. Very smart move for if you hadnt then maybe the world would have been a better place and idiot serbs like you wouldnt be alive right now. No doubt you would have taken up arms and gone out to fight only to take a 7.62 match grade between your eyes you moron.....

Serbia is the trailer park of Europe.

[obd]

Oh and just in case you are wondering, one of my friends who I met in a military studies class fought for Croation forces in the Hrvatska Oruzane Snage (HOS) for a little while against the Serbs who tried on several occassions to committ attrocities in Croatia. He fought in many battles that turned back Serb forces. He ended up leaving the HOS in early 1992 because they were too radical and because the Croation government paid him a little money and said "thank you but we dont want you here any more". He ended up going in and out of Croatia several times because he had some family connections there.

One of the biggest battles he was in was the Serb seige of Vukovar in Slovenia. He was part of a group of around 1500 or so Croat militia and HOS and they held off something like 10,000 Serbs for almost 3 months. He was almost killed after the JNA started using artillery. He was also one of the few to escape the seige alive. After that one he had enough of fighting and decided he liked the peaceful life back in America and wanted to go to college which is where I met him.

[Steve Railsback]

Serbia is the trailer park of Europe.

rofl rofl rofl

[Argyll]

well sorry but I don't know how, and seeing as how you americans delete any posts that are not to you're interests i really don't care if you do. since there is really no point to argue because it can last forever I'll just state my view:
I don't beleive that we commited crimes in kosovo and that we were there to protect serbs and christianity against islamic terrorism and that CLinton used this as an excuse to get attention of his monica lewinsky scandal also I don't beleive anything the western media says and this also includes Human Rights Watch which by the way is an american based organization. Also I think that if we did commit any "crimes" in kosovo that they were justified as revenge for all the oppression the serbs have suffered under muslims since Ottoman rule.

This is just my view so please don't flame me, let's just move on okay? :D :hug:


Ok no more diplomacy with you you foking little prick,a moderator gave you specific instructions to edit these images,he's the Good Cop...I'm the bad cop......I will begin going through every single thread of your's and delete them ALL.......you've been warned too may times over your Bull****.

I'm pushing for a ban on your account with effective immediately!!!!!!

[lekomin]

[quote="PermskiiOMON
Our 76th Peacekeeping VDV division protected our Sebr brothers, and no NATO forces dared to bomb where Russian VDV was staying.
[/quote]
rofl
u realise that the peacekeepers entered kosova only after the Serbs surendered? Russian paratroopers landed in Serbia (AFAIK Belgrade Airport) and then transfered to Pristina Airport after the bombing campaign was OVER?

And no Russians did not want to protect "Serbian brothers" yet to protect Slobodan Milosevic, because they were afraid ousting him would destroy any influence Russia might have in the Balkans. The Serbian Revolution and sending Slobo to the Hague actually proved the Russians were right. Serbia want's to join both the EU and the NATO (they are actually a part of Partnership for Peace which is something like a NATO Kindergarten). During the Slobo times there were plans of starting a union of Russia, Belarus and Serbia and now they sound like someone's crazy nightmare.
NATO reached its objectives.. Serbs capitulated and retreated from Kosovo. Sometime later a revolution sweeped Slobo from power. Now you have democracy in Serbia and a free market - that is a chance to prosper after many years of nationalistic negligence (look at Slovenia.. back in 1990 this country was comparable economicaly with Serbia, now it is around 6 to 8 times richer then Serbia per capita). Wars brought you nothing but casulties, economic collapse and bribery.
take care
lekomin inc