View Full Version : New Joint Combat Pistol Entrants. . .
Hispeed1
07-05-2006, 07:50 PM
The U.S. is looking for a new pistol in .45 caliber that can be fitted with a suppressor. Does anybody know which manufacturers are in the running?
TacoDelRio
07-05-2006, 07:57 PM
HK45, possibly the Smith and Wesson M&P 45?
WarriorMonk
07-06-2006, 12:16 AM
da HK45 looks frickin' sexy...
Hispeed1
07-06-2006, 01:52 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys. . .
SMGLee
07-06-2006, 02:14 AM
you can also include a full size single stack Glock 45 and few others.
I like the SW M&P45 the best
TacoDelRio
07-06-2006, 02:22 AM
Chen,
Got details on the Smith and Wesson?
xEDGEx
07-06-2006, 01:48 PM
I read an article (magazine "Weapons for Military and Law Enforcement" I believe) saying the 1911, HK USP Tactical, and Glock whatever model is .45 were in the running.
Apparently the USP Tactical was the only gun to fulfill every requirement so far. And it was chosen (over the USP 45) for the extended threaded barrel; for reasons I don't know.
I'll try and find this article and get some quotes...
Anthony91
07-06-2006, 01:49 PM
I wonder if the HK45 and the Mk.23 will have interchangable magazines?
I wonder if the HK45 and the Mk.23 will have interchangable magazines?
No, I don't believe so. HK45 and HK45C can share mags, however. Anyways, as the competition has yet to begin, no pistol is currently "in the running." There seems to be many possible entrants, however. Some not mentioned above are SIG and FN.
crazyman
07-06-2006, 02:29 PM
hey as long as it's a full size .45, you wont hear me complaining. personally, i liked my kimber just fine...newer handguns just dont seem to feel right if your used to a 1911 style....but that could just be me
ClydeFrog
07-06-2006, 03:15 PM
you can also include a full size single stack Glock 45 and few others.
I like the SW M&P45 the best
Yeah I heard the M&P had really moderate recoil. I think it was due to the bore being very low above the hand or something, don't really remember. Plus it's got the patriotism bonus going for it. So probably this is the most likely candidate atm, although it's way too early for speculations.
JTAR7242
07-06-2006, 03:17 PM
I read an article (magazine "Weapons for Military and Law Enforcement" I believe) saying the 1911, HK USP Tactical, and Glock whatever model is .45 were in the running.
Apparently the USP Tactical was the only gun to fulfill every requirement so far. And it was chosen (over the USP 45) for the extended threaded barrel; for reasons I don't know.
I'll try and find this article and get some quotes...
Well, the threaded barrel for silencer attachment for the SOF guys I'm sure.
Hispeed1
07-06-2006, 08:40 PM
Yes-one of the requirements are for the JCP to have a silencer. The U.S. Army, according to the Soldier Enhancement Program wants to outfit handguns & rifles with silencers. They are now evaluating candidates for it.
yiorgo
07-06-2006, 11:47 PM
Beretta
SIG
Glock
Taurus
Springfield
S&W
FNH
Para Ord
H&K
akmarksman
07-07-2006, 10:39 AM
oh allah..for god's sake no more frickin berettas..
give me a ruger .22 if I had to chose between a beretta and a .22
I don't think Para Ord will get the nod..the "it's not made here" mentality that some of the brass and bean counters have.
The HK is nice(plus they have a manufacturing plant in the USA)
taurus..same answer as beretta.
Springfield..maybe..decent guns
Glock..about the same as the Springfield
FNH..hopefully they don't..
SIG..nice guns,about the same in reliability as the HKs(but a b*tch to put back together)
SW..same as Springfield.
I'd like to see the XD in .45 or the HK in .45 replace the 9mm beretta.
FYI
out of date. see below
I know the HK45 was designed to meet these requirements. I don't know if any other "off the shelf" pistol does, although it seems there will be modifications of current designs to meet the requirement. I recall having seen pictures of a modified SIG.
Hispeed1
07-07-2006, 04:28 PM
The HK45 looks more ergonomic compared to the full sized H&K USP in .45 cal.
ZaakM433
07-07-2006, 11:15 PM
Yeah I heard the M&P had really moderate recoil. I think it was due to the bore being very low above the hand or something, don't really remember. Plus it's got the patriotism bonus going for it. So probably this is the most likely candidate atm, although it's way too early for speculations.
How does S&W have a patriotism bonus?
MichaelF
07-08-2006, 01:44 AM
So, no new pistols for the Regular Army? Just for SOCOM?
TacoDelRio
07-08-2006, 01:49 AM
CoughRUGERP90cough
:)
ClydeFrog
07-08-2006, 04:58 AM
How does S&W have a patriotism bonus?
"Smith & Wesson - American-made handguns, revolvers and tactial pistols"
SMGLee
07-08-2006, 05:18 AM
I read an article (magazine "Weapons for Military and Law Enforcement" I believe) saying the 1911, HK USP Tactical, and Glock whatever model is .45 were in the running.
Apparently the USP Tactical was the only gun to fulfill every requirement so far. And it was chosen (over the USP 45) for the extended threaded barrel; for reasons I don't know.
I'll try and find this article and get some quotes...
Chen,
Got details on the Smith and Wesson?
None of those models are in the fight.
HK ehter the HK45
Glock has a single stack 45 with a 1911 style safety
SW has a M&P45 that is very close to the size of the 40cal gun with very low recoil, and a slide mounted safety.
Plus a few others that are still in the running.
All weapons entered has to have suppressor capablity. Many companies aligned themselves with suppressor manufactures to submit their pistol with someone's can.
yiorgo
07-08-2006, 11:02 AM
sigs are a bitch to put together??? they are just as easy as a glock to break apart and put together.....the HK is a bitch to get together
So, no new pistols for the Regular Army? Just for SOCOM?
The estimated Maximum quantities are: 45,000 no external safety JCP configuration and 600,000 JCP with the external safety configuration
Not sure what SOCOM would do with 600,000 pistols.
MichaelF
07-08-2006, 02:31 PM
Not sure what SOCOM would do with 600,000 pistols.
Sell them out the back gate of MacDill.
Deuterium
07-08-2006, 02:46 PM
Not sure what SOCOM would do with 600,000 pistols.
Good one....
DE_Six
07-08-2006, 04:14 PM
SW has a M&P45 that is very close to the size of the 40cal gun with very low recoil, and a slide mounted safety.
Do you have any further details about this model? Sounds like the other calibers M&P, but in .45 ACP.
There's no info on the S&W website, only 9mm, .40 and .357 SIG, although I remember reading about a projected .45 version.
Is it actually produced or just a project?
Good one....
The information I posted above was out of date and regular Army has since dropped out. The request will now be under Combat Pistol, rather than Joint Combat Pistol, and the number of units in the draft proposal is 50,000. No formal Request For Proposal has been issued yet. All information here:
http://www.fbo.gov/spg/ODA/USSOCOM/SOAL-KB/H92222-05-R-0017/Attachments.html
Here's a big HK pic just for fun:
http://www.defensereview.com/stories/hk/HK45-StillLife.jpg
TacoDelRio
07-08-2006, 06:58 PM
Why don't they just give the metal a baby poop brown finish too? Wouldn't that make a bit more sense than two tone for a military sidearm?
Freibier
07-08-2006, 07:40 PM
If you pay for it, they'll do it ;)
Why don't they just give the metal a baby poop brown finish too? Wouldn't that make a bit more sense than two tone for a military sidearm?
This was the Army's specification. Why, I don't know.
3.3.5. Color. The JCP frame and JCP holster shall be delivered in Color #30118 (Flat, Dark Earth), Per FED-STD-595B (T). The barrel and slide shall be anti-reflective, matte grey or matte black finish comparable to FED-STD-595B series #36000 or #37000 colors (T).
SMGLee
07-08-2006, 09:05 PM
Do you have any further details about this model? Sounds like the other calibers M&P, but in .45 ACP.
There's no info on the S&W website, only 9mm, .40 and .357 SIG, although I remember reading about a projected .45 version.
Is it actually produced or just a project?
It should be a regular SW production item by next year.
it will be the first new SW pistol I would ever buy from a gun shop.
ZaakM433
07-08-2006, 11:36 PM
"Smith & Wesson - American-made handguns, revolvers and tactial pistols"
See that would make sense if S&W pistols were any good, not cheap sometimes legal sometimes illigal copies of Glocks and Walthers. If anything I think that S&W are an embarrasment to the USA, not something to take patriotic pride in.
Ofcourse, that is just my opinion.
Freibier
07-08-2006, 11:54 PM
S&W revolvers have a good name here and their target pistols like the 9mm TC aswell.
ZaakM433
07-08-2006, 11:56 PM
S&W revolvers have a good name here and their target pistols like the 9mm TC aswell.
Thats the problem though, we arent talking about target pistols or revolvers. S&W has never had as much luck with their newer ventures in automatic pistols.
Just look at the legal trouble they had with Glock while producing their Sigma pistols, and I dont know anyone who would rather have an SW99 than a real Walther P99.
SMGLee
07-10-2006, 05:24 PM
Thats the problem though, we arent talking about target pistols or revolvers. S&W has never had as much luck with their newer ventures in automatic pistols.
Just look at the legal trouble they had with Glock while producing their Sigma pistols, and I dont know anyone who would rather have an SW99 than a real Walther P99.
Mark my words...SW M&P is a better pistol then Glock or HK USP.
The M&P is something SW can be proud of.
they have dump way too much into this venture for it to fail. they also know because of the previous products they would have to make this the best pistol on the market of sink the SW ship.
Tell you what, they made a Gem of a pistol out of the M&P, don't knock it till you have time with it.
Trust me, it took a lot out of me to say this... being a die-hard Glock and 1911 shooter. I even turn down a job with SW... oh my God....
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