Chechen Bull****

[RomanS]

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/article.php?id=2581

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/img.php?id=2581
In Shekin area of Barmal, the Taliban have waged a deadly attack against Coalition forces. Seventeen Coalition forces were killed when three vehicles en route to the Pak-Afghan border were attacked by Taliban with rockets and GM-3 guns at 4 am Tuesday morning. Those killed were Afghan and Americans however the exact breakdown of each nationality is not yet known. The attack was very fierce and the three vehicles were completely destroyed. Helicopters fly patrols over the area following the incident in search of the attackers.



In yet another public embarrassment for Hamid Karzai, the 8,00 troops send by the Center to Heart for peacekeeping are stuck in the airport now as the Ismail Khan, governor of the province refuses to let them in. In the funeral prayers for his son, people started to chant anti Karzai sologans. Ismael Khan has told those troop to return to their bas



Following Hamid Karzai’s comments at an innovated celebration called Now Rouz (The New Year), which has no significance in Islam and where he claimed that Taliban have no future in Afghanistan and are now a lost force, Taliban commander Mullah Dad Ullah has issued a stern warning. Mullah Dad Ullah warned of renewed war and attacks against the Afghan National army and American forces and said that this will show the world that the Taliban are still a force to be reckoned with, Jihad Unspun reported.



In an exclusive interview with Aljazeera, Mulla Abd al-Latif Hakimi said that the Taliban was able to target US soldiers with increasing ease and gave numerous examples.



"We killed 18 American soldiers near the Maryam school in Gazney province, another three in the town of Zargary.



"In the mountains of Khoyani we set a trap in a depot and killed 43 US soldiers with one bomb."



"We never let the Americans sleep in their base at Khost. Every night there is a rocket attack."



The Mulla claimed the Taliban were well-organised and had units "from Spin Buldak to Badakshan, Torkham to Shir Khan Bandar and Torgondi to Zarang."



Kavkaz Center




Interesting,
So how do you believe the Chechens news agencies when you see **** like this everyday. Not to forget the Chechens were on US side, bagging the USA to do something about evil Russians. Today they want to erase USA and Russia off the planet because we are INFIDELS

[Maverick77]

These are the ****tiest overall people in the world.

and they dont know it.

that is the problem

[ShadowNeo]

Is your anger at the article specifically? All I seem to see there is that it quotes some stuff from AlJazeera and rambles about a couple of Afghan figures.

Didn't catch anything there about crushing the infidels.

[Maverick77]

Is your anger at the article specifically? All I seem to see there is that it quotes some stuff from AlJazeera and rambles about a couple of Afghan figures.

Didn't catch anything there about crushing the infidels.



Theyve called us infidels countless amounts of times.

[ShadowNeo]

Theyve called us infidels countless amounts of times.

Im sure some chechens have - but my point is that a relatively bland article was posted and its being branded as "bull****" and it is somewhow showing, in Permskii's view, that the chechens want to erase the USA and Russia off the planet.

Im not seeing much of a link between the article and his sentiment.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

"In the mountains of Khoyani we set a trap in a depot and killed 43 US soldiers with one bomb."


These stories are beyond reality, how much opium have they been smoking?


Mullah Dad Ullah warned of renewed war and attacks against the Afghan National army and American forces and said that this will show the world that the Taliban are still a force to be reckoned with, Jihad Unspun reported.

Wow because someone with the name "Jihad Unspun" isnt going to give a biased report ya know...the sad thing is people actually believe this garbage :roll:

[anonymous individual]

Things posted by Kavkaz Center are always incorrect in "thousands of ways". It is the last place to search for the "truth", IMO.

[RomanS]

Theyve called us infidels countless amounts of times.

Im sure some chechens have - but my point is that a relatively bland article was posted and its being branded as "bull****" and it is somewhow showing, in Permskii's view, that the chechens want to erase the USA and Russia off the planet.

Im not seeing much of a link between the article and his sentiment.

What are you trying to say?

I didnt say that Chechens want to erase USA and Russia off the planet in the Article. I said it as a FACT.

Khattab in his video messages called on to killing Americans and Russians where ever they are.

My friend Dodge Billingsley was almost killed by Khattab, when he came to make a documentary about Chechnya. Just because he was an AMerican.

An AMerican mudjahed Aquil Collins writes in his book "My Jihad" that Khattab wouldn't talk to him, and almost cut his head off because he was an American fighting for Chechens.

Arbi Baraev in his video message says " Islam is the only religion, Allah is the only God. Russians or Americans we kill them all if they don't convert it." can be found on the internet.

Are those the animals you are trying to protect, and tell me that Russians are the negative ones?

[RomanS]

As for the article , look dumbass

Research Chechen history a bit more before you argue about it with me.

Before 9-11 Chechens were saying that USA was the only country with balls to criticize Russia. Chechens were writing articles how Americans would come and rescue them from the evil invaders.

Not a single article was ment to show American losses in any conflict before 9-11.

After Al-queda merged with Chechens, every article they write is anti-USA big time.

What pisses me off, is that most of the articles in Russian that they write, they won't translate in English.

Guess WHY ????

[StukaJr]

I think the purpose of this post means to point out the misinformation spread by Kavkaz Center and Al Jazeira about what's going on in Chechnya by comparing the gross missinformation they spread about simmular "successes" against US forces in Afganistan.

Heck, "Chechen bull****" maybe a bit harsh but then maybe political correctness gurus can come up with the proper term for the chain of lies and misinformation spun by "islamic extremists"? "Particular individuals soon to be burried in pig guts"? "United Conglomerates of so many terrrorist organisations that see civilian deaths as means to change political agendas"? Let me know when I'm getting warm.

But bull**** is short and sweet... Not PC, but neither is the war

[RomanS]

On that note , the whole point of this is to show you people how great Chechen media is.

When the second Chechen war started, they would do the daily reports on fighting.

Example

"Today the brave mudjahadeens of Amir Khattab destryoed a fully armed convoy of Sverdlovsk OMON. No fewer than 3000 Russian OMON officers were killed. 900 Captured. Mudjaheds burned 73 T80s, 130 BMP2s.

The confused Russian agressors were shooting at eachother for hours untill the Kremlin air-terrorists showed up in Mi-24s. Mudjaheds shot down 9 Mi-24s, and all the pilots were captured.

One mudjahed became a shaheed, and 4 injured. Khattab and the mudjhaeds sucsessfully returned to their bases with 900 captured Russian soldiers."

"The violence continues in Samashki. Masked Russian so called SOBR units entered the village, and killed 34,000 civilians. 62,000 were taken in the unkown location. "

those fukers atracted a lot of media, and other sponsors in the middle east. In just 2 years of fighting Chechens destroyed 2 Russian ARMIES.

And almost half of million of Chechen civilians were magicaly killed. The new "BODY VAPORIZING" weapons were used. You know those ones, when you kill a Chechen, his body disapears without a trace. So to hide 450,000 dead bodies is no problem.

So the world only read one side of the storry called "Kavkazcenter", now how will you feel about Russians after you read their news. Or their sponsors CNN.

After 9-11, they were ordered to hate Americans. So now you can see their articles about US in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Acutally Chechens, along with some French fellas are blaming US for organizing the 9-11 attacks. Its just they won't translate it into English.

Long live the propaganda

[WolverineBlue]

StukaJR -- hilarious avatar, just hilarious.

Permskii -- we're all on the same side. I think all of our misunderstandings are based on that a number of people are doing their best here in the forum to speak English and then of course because of our own personal biases.

In any case -- down with the Islamic Wahhabiists. Please come to Pakistan/Afghanistan so we can kick your asses.

Long live Islam/Hinduism/Buddhism/Christianity/Judaism/Zoroastrianism/and others.

[ariweiner]

Permskii, you are truly full of it. Why don't you provide some sources instead of quoting your imagination?

[intelligenzija]

rofl, that Kavkazcenter makes me laugh! its so ridiculous

[ShadowNeo]

What are you trying to say?

I didnt say that Chechens want to erase USA and Russia off the planet in the Article. I said it as a FACT.

Perhaps you should make these things more clear when you post them Permskii, if they had been made clearer I could have made a different response ;). As for the article nothing that I saw seemed to be the Websites own views, rather quoting information (not necessarily correct information) from other sources. I didn't see things overtly anti-us expressed by the Website itself in the specific article.

If you had chosen an article that showed what you are stating more clearly perhaps?

Nice of you to call me a dumbass also, much appreciated :).

[RomanS]

What are you trying to say?

I didnt say that Chechens want to erase USA and Russia off the planet in the Article. I said it as a FACT.

Perhaps you should make these things more clear when you post them Permskii, if they had been made clearer I could have made a different response ;). As for the article nothing that I saw seemed to be the Websites own views, rather quoting information (not necessarily correct information) from other sources. I didn't see things overtly anti-us expressed by the Website itself in the specific article.

If you had chosen an article that showed what you are stating more clearly perhaps?




Nice of you to call me a dumbass also, much appreciated :).

Why host stuff like this, if you want to capture USA's help against Russia?

[StukaJr]

Welcome yet to this thread, ariweiner... Your empty rant how Israeli's fabricated the story of palestenian child suicide bomber rescently caught at Israeli roadblock - surely lends you credibility on this issue:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10916&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=16

But hey, here are some neat facts brought up by Kavkaz Center:


since the American Civil War was only necessary because of Lincoln's ferocious insistence that no state was entitled to change its mind ever about being part of what he quaintly called The Union. His position was in every respect as irrational and bloody as any argument advanced by slaveholders or future leaders of the Soviet Union.

Ummmm... Wow! What logic!


The goals of an organization like al Qaeda are less clear, but it was hardly necessary to invade two sovereign nations and kill thousands of innocents to deal with them.

Sure! Give them bases of operations! Let's not do anything about it!


American troops in Afghanistan are pitifully few in number - about ten thousand in a land the size of Texas with more than twenty million people - and their focus is finding bin Laden

LOL! And this is written in 2004???


Not many years later, the same United States had troops in the holiest of lands with women, in the view of traditional Muslims, exposing themselves.

Ummm... Yeah - US also brought back education, media, women rights... Also - I would like to see a fine ankle every once in a while...


Vengeance is not legal in most societies, and it cannot be tolerated in international affairs. Vengeance-seekers must be brought to justice, but we should also learn something by the whole sad experience.

No **** - why won't you stop the Jihad, that is embodiement of vengence...

Here is the entire article:

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/article.php?id=2412

It's kinda sad though, that it's written by a westerner for a liberal media source. Doesn't change the fact, that it's a featured article of Kavkaz Center though

[StukaJr]

As for the article nothing that I saw seemed to be the Websites own views, rather quoting information (not necessarily correct information) from other sources. I didn't see things overtly anti-us expressed by the Website itself in the specific article.


It's a collection of articles - some by western liberal press, Al Jaezira, number of Kavkaz media sources etc. However, some articles are credited with being written for Kavkaz Center and some even go as far as being credited exclussive to Kavkaz Center. It's like quoting Associated Press articles - however, they claim to be "information analysis" center - and all of the articles represent the same distorted point of view... Be it Chechnya, Sector Gasa or US involvement in Afganistan/Iraq.

[StukaJr]

In other words, the West is being devoured by the Kufr (unbelief), and it is not a metaphysical claim, but a sociological assertion. In this context the Jihad (in all its spectra) is actually humanitarian aid, a rescue operation, for the main mission of Jihad is elimination of unbelief and spreading the firm foundation for moral norms.

Full article here:

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/article.php?id=2238

No comment - really, no comment! Forcibly applied "humanitarian aid" (we call it death) somehow conflicts with my personal and political freedoms... I have the right to defend myself from such... rescue operations

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Er.....is there a good reliable source of news giving the Chechen perspective, lets be honest there must be some media outlet in Chechnya that is goes some way to presenting the facts. Your suggestions please.

[Dave the Dawg]

Er.....is there a good reliable source of news giving the Chechen perspective, lets be honest there must be some media outlet in Chechnya that is goes some way to presenting the facts. Your suggestions please.

No Chechen-specific news site is going to be perfectly objective - the war has gone on too long. Kavkaz-Center, the source of the article used to start this thread, is particularly bad. It is hosted out of Estonia, but its funding appears to be from the various Islamofascists supporting terrorists like Khattab. No doubt PermskiiOMON chose this site to highlight because it would allow him to tar all Chechens with the same brush. I would note that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Ichkeria, which represents the pro-independence faction of Aslan Maskhadov, has denounced that site on several occasions for making false claims. The Ministry, BTW, supported the US invasion of Iraq.

What no one really knows is how Chechens really break down - how many support the various terrorist bands, how many support the rebel Republic of Ichkeria, and how many support the Russian-backed administration. Some, including some forum members, want to lump all Chechens fighting the Russians together so they can all be branded as terrorists.

The Russian media is also unreliable. I was watching the news on RTR a few days ago, and they were doing a story on how Chechens had gone to Iraq to fight the Americans. It may be that there are some there; a lot of foreign terrorists have flocked to Iraq. But this reporter interviewed an American lieutenant colonel. The American officer clearly said, in English, that they had no intelligence reports on Chechen fighters in Iraq. The reporter, narrating the story, claimed he said they had reports of numerous Chechens but had failed to capture any.

There aren't too many sites without much of an agenda. Try the Caucasus reporting of the Institute for War & Peace Reporting. That organization, which supports journalism in various crisis areas, is a bit too mushy left for my tastes (it was founded by various journalists and peace activists, and draws journalists from the BBC, The Guardian and *******), but it doesn't have a particular Russian or Chechen axe to grind.

Link is here: http://www.iwpr.net/caucasus_index1.html

Regards

[AK-Lover]

oh mi god! rofl rofl That is the biggest pile of **** I've ever seen! rofl rofl
While committing bloody genocide in Chechnya for the past 10 years, Russian leadership got concerned about 'ethnic cleansings' of Serbs in Kosovo. The hysterics about fellow «Orthodox Christian Serbian brothers» and «reduction of the territory of Orthodoxy in the world» under the onslaught of «Islamic extremism» is another subject that Putin got on in search for even greater popularity among the Russian Orthodox riffraff, 70% of whom still voted for him anyway. The year of 1999 in Russia was abundant with mass-scale nationwide hysterias and psychoses, and that’s when 'Serbian brothers' were number two to affect the mentality of our intellectual majority in causing such hysterias, - 'Chechen bandits/terrorists' were the number one.



Actually, there are many interesting things present in the tension in Kosovo today. A month from now it will be 5 years since the time when the Western troops established full control over the region. This is the period of time which the 1996 Khasavyurt Accord provided for the solution of the problem of Russian-Chechen relations. The Western troops have been stationed in Kosovo for five years already – the troops whose presence in Chechnya the Ahmadov Peace Plan is implying. Thus, we have a chance to take a look into the alternative future and to imagine what Chechnya would look like 5 years after adopting the plan.



Oh well, the main thing we can see is the fact that even after 5 years of the Western 'peacekeeping' the West is not in too much of a hurry to recognize independence of Kosovo, which Albanians declared long time ago. Moreover, in everyday life the West is proceeding from the fact that Kosovo is still a part of Serbia.



Meanwhile within the next few centuries the Albanian majority in Kosovo will never forget the Serbian genocide of 1990s (even though it was not the only Serbian genocide), just like Chechens will never forget the Czarist/Yermolov’s genocide, Stalin/Beria genocide or Yeltsin/Putin genocide. So today’s outbreak of the confrontation between Serbians and Albanians is only one of the manifestations of this historical memory, and a clear evidence that after all that has happened Serbs and Albanians can no longer be living in the same state. As Khasbulatov (Russian politician, native of Chechnya) once put it, «a deep river of blood is flowing between» Chechens and Russians, and the same way is with Serbs and Albanians.



Therefore the West must recognize independence of Kosovo immediately and without hesitation, and evacuate the remaining Serbs from there somewhere far away. Sure, it’s a lot easier to evacuate them back to their homeland, to Serbia. That’s where they will have the opportunity to be praying in their Orthodox temples until they get blue in the face, even though there are no less Orthodox churches in Serbia than there are in Kosovo. No claims about the «cradle of Serbian statehood» or Serbian 'holy sites' located in Kosovo must be taken into consideration. Especially, when Illyrians, the ancestors of present-day Albanians, were already living in these lands in the times when no Serbs even existed, - Herodotus was mentioning them in his historical works too.



The Kremlin picked up the distinct analogy between the situation in Kosovo and the situation in Chechnya. Sure, they decided to use it for their own propaganda, like here, look, the West can’t make it in Kosovo, they can’t restrain violence, but they are trying to teach us what to do in Chechnya…



But sure, this is solely the fault of the West, which in this particular case has more capabilities than it has the willingness. The West is unwilling to recognize independence of Kosovo and does not want to get into an argument with Moscow. After all, the West does not want to prefer the truth and justice to its cherished 'stability', which it desires more than anything else in the whole world.



But you can’t come to anything good by using a crooked path of hypocrisy and lies: however much NATO would keep trying to maintain the ill-omened stability by making concessions to Moscow and Belgrade, and by denying the full independence to the region – two Albanian juveniles were drowned by Serbs, and the notorious 'stability' was already over in just one day!…



All Christian Orthodox reactionaries in both Serbia and Russia got more active too. Mosques started burning in Belgrade, and the predatory 'imperial' scream of the Russian double-headed eagle the mutant is now getting even louder. Needless to say, in Russia all 'amateur' fascist parties and local hangouts are going into hysterics today, and not just the Kremlin is. And if this night something happens to any of the mosques in Moscow, nobody will see anything. Good thing the wing of the Russian fascists, which blames all of the troubles on the 'blacks', 'turks', or «illegal aliens from the Caucasus» and which holds rallies under the slogans of deporting all Chechens from Moscow is much larger and stronger than the 'old-time' classical fascists the anti-Semites are, who only see the «Jewish and Masonic conspiracy» all over, and who can only raid synagogues.



Today the invisible Axis of Good, the axis of fight for Freedom and Truth is running through Kosovo and through Chechnya, - and may it be a good spit in the face to the bloody Putin’s regime along with the fascist Russian Orthodoxy, to the oppressors and enslavers, from another freedom-loving and unbending nation of Europe!

Oh god! rofl rofl My cheeks! rofl rofl oh jeez! :lol:
Maybe if you reversed roles in that story it would be true! :P rofl

[RomanS]

Er.....is there a good reliable source of news giving the Chechen perspective, lets be honest there must be some media outlet in Chechnya that is goes some way to presenting the facts. Your suggestions please.

No Chechen-specific news site is going to be perfectly objective - the war has gone on too long. Kavkaz-Center, the source of the article used to start this thread, is particularly bad. It is hosted out of Estonia, but its funding appears to be from the various Islamofascists supporting terrorists like Khattab. No doubt PermskiiOMON chose this site to highlight because it would allow him to tar all Chechens with the same brush. I would note that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Ichkeria, which represents the pro-independence faction of Aslan Maskhadov, has denounced that site on several occasions for making false claims. The Ministry, BTW, supported the US invasion of Iraq.

What no one really knows is how Chechens really break down - how many support the various terrorist bands, how many support the rebel Republic of Ichkeria, and how many support the Russian-backed administration. Some, including some forum members, want to lump all Chechens fighting the Russians together so they can all be branded as terrorists.

The Russian media is also unreliable. I was watching the news on RTR a few days ago, and they were doing a story on how Chechens had gone to Iraq to fight the Americans. It may be that there are some there; a lot of foreign terrorists have flocked to Iraq. But this reporter interviewed an American lieutenant colonel. The American officer clearly said, in English, that they had no intelligence reports on Chechen fighters in Iraq. The reporter, narrating the story, claimed he said they had reports of numerous Chechens but had failed to capture any.

There aren't too many sites without much of an agenda. Try the Caucasus reporting of the Institute for War & Peace Reporting. That organization, which supports journalism in various crisis areas, is a bit too mushy left for my tastes (it was founded by various journalists and peace activists, and draws journalists from the BBC, The Guardian and *******), but it doesn't have a particular Russian or Chechen axe to grind.

Link is here: http://www.iwpr.net/caucasus_index1.html

Regards

Another thing Dave that can help, is to go there yourself. Just don't rely on Russians to protect you. Go by yourself, talk to people, talk to the "rebels" (just don't show them your fear). A lot of people from the west went there, and the lack of experience in Caucas and knowledge of their culutre resulted in their death.

Chechens don't like to see fear. Also if you do go (if you have the balls), I strongly recomend having a very good bank account or to be a close friend of their leaders. Lately Chechens became very aggresive towards non-Islamic visitors.

So if you want to find out why Chechnya is at war, just travel there yourself. You would be much more safer if you convert to islam.

I must say that your chances of coming out alive are very slim. There is a reason why Robert Young Pelton doesnt want to come back there anymore.

Let me know if you are serious about it, I might even recomend a few spots and people.

There are great Chechen people out there. I personally know couple of families. Guess who they hate more. Russian soldiers, or the Chechen fighters (with a heavy arabic accents). If you know anything about Chechens, you should know that majority of Nohchi man are sick of war, and put down their weapons back in 1999.

I have 2 hours of footage shot by my friends near Vedeno district, where they surrounded a large group of Chechen fighters. They've been hiding in the mountains, and were trying to break through Argun. Our guys surrounded them, and asked them to surrender.

They could of simply level the mountains with artillery and airsupport, and sent couple of OSPNs to clear the mountain, and call it a day.

But our guys promiced every surrendering fighter safety, food and water, medical attention, and a place to sleep. It was recorded on video tape. About 50 or so fighters surrendered. 80% were Arabs.

Russians helped them with medical aid, because their feet were damaged too much. All that again I must say is video documented.

The collonel of Omon also reported that majority of the Arab fighters were sent back to their countries.

So my man, dare to go and find out for yourself whos bad and good?

[StukaJr]

http://www-cgsc.army.mil/

You can find some good analysis of military operations in Northern Kavkaz - including operations of anti-government forces as well.

As for lumping Chechens together - you either have the ones on the side of the federal government or the rebels opposing them... As in - person trying to kill you - is your enemy...

[AK-Lover]

Good one perm! One word for you DAVE:
OWNED

[Durandal]

The Kavkaz Center website is a fu*king horrible website. Super biased AND appeals to the lowest common denominator.

For all intents and purposes its a "snuff" site.

Why anyone would use this a s source of news or information, besides researching how Islamic fundementalist cut off the heads of Russians and blow people up, is beyond me...

*ugg*

[Dave the Dawg]

PermskiiOMON - I notice nothing in your statement contradicts anything I posted in any factually-supported way. I noted that there is little or no objective reporting on Chechnya, and that most coverage reflects particular agendas - Khattab's, Maskhadov's, Putin's, Kadyorv's, etc. You have documented in post after post your hatred of Muslims and Chechens, and your claims about knowing a "couple of families" who are goog Chechens to excuse your repeated invective reminds me of nothing more than the "I'm not a racist, some of my best friends are ******s" **** I hear around here every once in a while. Your backpeddling notwithstanding, the whole point of your starting this thread was clearly to tar all Chechens with the Islamofascist filth of "KavkazCenter".

BTW, you have no idea the places that I have been, the things I've seen, or the information, classified and unclassified, I have had access to. You, frankly, don't even have any idea where I stand on the Chechnya question, or almost any other.

Oh "AK-Lover", if and when your balls ever drop and you actually grow up and become a man, and if you join the military and/or learn anything about the real world, maybe I'll give a flying **** what you think. As much as I disagree with PermskiiOMON on certain things, I respect that he is a product of real experience, and not some poser wannabe keyboard commando.

[AK-Lover]

i beleive you mother-****er. :hug: rofl

[ShadowNeo]

http://www.shadowneo.com/files/SIXGUN.jpg

[Haiw]

serbian boy-lover sure has a legendary ignorance.

[Durandal]

http://www.shadowneo.com/files/SIXGUN.jpg

I see you are a Penny Arcade fan as well...

[ShadowNeo]

Can't get enough of Penny Arcade! :D :D :D

[fdt]

At least he is not INFIDEL .... he is simply Fidel... :D
http://membres.lycos.fr/iledecuba/Fidel.jpg

[Marmot1]

I'm not a racist, some of my best friends are ******s

rofl rofl rofl rofl

Nice Dave!!! 100% hit with this description