Some Vehicles of the Bundeswehr

[HELEX]

Army
Leopard 2
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/53064b518615e9efc1256bc1003f250b/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Marder 1 A3
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/71b03ae0b899db51c1256bb9003cdc2c/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Jaguar 1
http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_rakjpz_jaguar1_wbg-001.jpg
Jaguar 2
http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/bw_rakjpz_jaguar2-004.jpg
M 109 A3 GE A1
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/597ad85455100a8dc1256bba00314e13/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Panzerhaubitze 2000
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/7ebecc7008dcda8fc1256bb90032ed2e/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
MARS
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/6b8846f245bce445c1256bb900418d2b/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Light Horwitzer 105mm
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/d36a1c6771d8b591c1256b8000444fe9/body/0.3FC?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
COBRA (Counter-Battery-Radar)
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/41a06e6473e0873d41256d3c0039bda8/body/0.A5C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Gepard 1A2
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/5bfa69a4dc89635a41256d7100332a1d/body/0.2DD4?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Roland
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/8c6429ab0422a375c1256bbb00439da5/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Ozelot
http://www.rk-reutlingen.de/fahr/kette/ozelot_1.jpg
Luchs
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/72ebe17f0c49fb9ac1256bc100336da7/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Fennek
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/cda61bf1be0ec9fac1256cb50043902c/body/0.5FE6?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Fuchs
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/9ac74036ec1c068dc1256c87002ddcca/body/0.F52?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
ABRA
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/e774a86d5974918241256d3b003f37d9/body/0.8C0?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Fuchs with RASIT
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/8cddadf80c4b0dcac1256b8000473a5a/body/0.504?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Fuchs with Milan
http://www.sipotec.net/Neu_Ausr/AusrBilder/FUCHS_MILAN.jpg
Bv 206 HÄGGLUND
http://www.rk-reutlingen.de/fahr/bv_monat.jpg
Minethrower Scorpion
http://www.rk-reutlingen.de/fahr/kette/skorpion.jpg
Wiesel 1 MK
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/6170e1a106b8a138c1256bbc002d3b09/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Wiesel 1 TOW
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/22609bbb5d53ea32c1256bbb002799ee/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Dingo
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/ffc38a7a8aa61ba9c1256b8000475f9d/body/0.ADC?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
M 113 Observation
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/734106737e6d11fc41256d3b003b0760/body/0.289A?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
Tiger
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/febaf93cfa4e882ac1256c160031eb25/body/4.49A8?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif
PAH 1
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/c591cb4343bae124c1256bc6002a33a7/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
NH 90
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/4304ab36e8b52271c1256b80004489cf/body/0.6DE?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
CH53G
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/3ebe7b2394f2102bc1256bc6002025fb/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
UH1D
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/a59218d9abd6cbc4c1256bc60026ed21/body/0.7C?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg
EC 135
http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/Contentbase2.nsf/c1256e550036568ac1256982003b7e87/d0d642a5edfa8b6bc1256b8000476edc/body/0.5BE?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg


Forgot many things, missing stuff I will post later...

[WolverineBlue]

Gepard is still in use? I had a die-cast model of one of those...thought it was the coolest.

[kinghk]

Bv 206 HÄGGLUND
http://www.rk-reutlingen.de/fahr/bv_monat.jpg



It is not a regular BV206, it is a armored version, 306 og 206S or whatever it is called.

[Lysander]

Cool photos. woot

How many Tiger helicopters do they have?

[Haiw]

I know the PAH-1 is a Tiger, but what does PAH stand for? PanzerAbwehrHübschrauber?

[Dalleer]

Nice pictures, got to love the German Leopard 2's...

[HELEX]

@Haiw

Not exactely, the PAH-1 is the BO-105 with TOW. The Tiger was PAH-2, but is now UHT (Unterstützungshubschrauber Tiger)

@Lysander

Dont know how many exactely now, 80 are ordered and found somewhere there will be 48 delivered by end of 2004. But this info can be wrong.

http://www.military.cz/international/air/eurocopter/tiger_uht_inf.jpg

http://www.robert-stetter.de/ECD_Tiger_Rollout/pics/01_37_Tiger.jpg

[tooms]

Cool photos. woot

How many Tiger helicopters do they have?

A few... Germany and France have began to receive them one or two years ago

By the way, they don't have the NH 90 yet.

[perdurabo]

I know the PAH-1 is a Tiger, but what does PAH stand for? PanzerAbwehrHübschrauber?
No no PAH-1 is armed with TOWs Bo-105 helo and Tiger is PAH-2 or something else don't remember
PAH prabably is something like Patrol Armed Helo or something similiar.

[Haiw]

Geez.. the PAH-1 and Tiger look so much alike IMO... anyway, still waiting for an explanation what PAH stands for. :)
(definately not 'Patrol Armed Helo' as all German vehicle names & abbreviations are in German)

[HELEX]

Airforce

Eurofighter(First Production Models are in test an Pilot training)
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/85F1248F8987E12FC1256D5C00277D0E/$FILE/eurofig3.jpg
F-4 Phantom II
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/7ED5915C54ABAEBAC1256CE80031E62B/$FILE/f4f-3.jpg
MIG-29("sold" to Poland)
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/8E2F5D872725F568C1256E390033B464/$FILE/mig-2.jpg
Tornado(IDS,RECCE,ECR and Marine Versions)
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/7F8BDF8ECE463F70C1256CFC003D36C6/$FILE/tornado-1.jpg
T-38 A TALON(German Property but US Markings, only used in USA)
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/3986CDE4B59F5156C1256E2E00496562/$FILE/ta38-1.jpg
T-37 B(German Property but US Markings, only used in USA)
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/AD773F48D1CDB520C1256CE80051ADB4/$FILE/ta37-2.jpg
AS 532 Cougar
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/B14D98FEE90DCD92C1256CE80054CF88/$FILE/cougar2.jpg
UH 1D
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/A423A9AC85CFDF3CC1256CE80053D0CF/$FILE/uh1d-2.jpg
C 160 D Transall
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/2371B678ADAD2230C1256D24005388BB/$FILE/tr-2.jpg
Airbus A 310 MRTT (Multi Role Transport Tanker) or MEDEVAC
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/1E96E31EB7B65D4DC1256D1D002BD7FD/$FILE/a310-8.jpg
Roland
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/95CBE3E2BBF9B0D6C1256E450042E0A5/$FILE/roland1.jpg
HAWK(Upgraded)
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/748F135C35759FDEC1256E4500426CF4/$FILE/hawk-3.jpg
Patriot
http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/613B01FB6E1C6CF3C1256E4400423771/$FILE/pat-2.jpg

[HELEX]

@Haiw

PAH means "PanzerAbwehrHubschrauber", means Antitank Helicopter. Tiger was formerly known as PAH-2.

But the Tiger is called now UHT "UntestützungsHubschrauber Tiger, means Support Helicopter Tiger. Because it will be used in more than just the Antitank role.
That means they will get a gun turret when Money is available and will use gunpods until then :roll:

[Operation Ivy]

Nice pictures, got to love the German Leopard 2's...

:fork: :D

The wiesel is so cute woot

[HELEX]

The wiesel is so cute

Well, it is in fact a Porsche design..... No joke :D

[Haiw]

Doesn't surprise me... Porsche also designed some quality German tanks in WW2. Still sounds nice though;

German tank driver: "My company car is a Porsche" :D

[wholagun]

So how many years before you guys donate some of that stuff to Poland again? :) Don't play with it too hard, we still gotta use it after you guys, don't forget.

:D

[HELEX]

Dont know, there are 175 Alpha Jets mothballed nobody wants :roll:
And there are still some Leopard 1 and 2, and Jaguar. Marder will be replaced with Puma, Bundeswehr is changing structure an nobody knows.

At least 100 Tornados are going to be replaced by Eurofighters, no Idea what the will do with them.

[aeternum]

That means they will get a gun turret when Money is available and will use gunpods until then :roll:

Most likly the Mauser RMK 30. The first (??) recoilless machinegun.

From army-technology.com:

Recoilless Automatic Cannon RMK 30

The RMK 30 is the first recoilless automatic cannon in the world. High firepower, low mass, compactness, rigid and simple design as well as high operational availability are the main features of the RMK 30. High integration flexibility allows the RMK 30 to be used as combat mission kit on almost any kind of light military vehicle or as main armament for modern infantry fighting vehicles.



here mounted on a Wiesel 2 weapon platform:
http://www.soldat-und-technik.de/03-2004/heer.htm

[seventy6er]

Thread about Bundeswehr hardware #1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=103254&highlight=#103254)


Thread about Bundeswehr hardware #2 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=105048&highlight=#105048)

[soma]

Where's the machine gun on the tiger???

[aeternum]

Where's the machine gun on the tiger???

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/mauser/mauser2.jpg

[soma]

Except it would be upset down.

[Vintendo]

Der Tiger ist sehr schön, aber der Dingo ist nicht!
Anyways that's the extent of my German. Question about the Tiger though, I thought the French Tigers have gun turrets? How come the Germans don't and now are trying to put one on?

[HELEX]

There was no demand for a gun turret because they were planned as a Antitank Helicopter. But this has changed to multifunctional purpose and it will be upgraded in the Future(we hope).

[aeternum]

Der Tiger ist sehr schön, aber der Dingo ist nicht!
Anyways that's the extent of my German. Question about the Tiger though, I thought the French Tigers have gun turrets? How come the Germans don't and now are trying to put one on?

There are 3 version of the Tiger built:

1.) HAC Tigre (Helicoptére Anti-Char).
role: anti-tank
Weapons load: Only anti-tank missiles (8xHOT 2 or 8xTrigat LR) and 4xMistral for selfdefence.
Country: France
Amount: 100
Optronic: Osiris mast-mounted mastersight.

2. HAP Gerfault (Helicoptére d’Appui Protection)
Role: air-to-air combat and fire support
Weapons load: 1 x 30 mm cannon, 44 x SNEB missiles,
4 x Mistral missiles or 24 x SNEB missiles.
Country: France
Amount: 115
Optronics: No Osiris system, but IR and TV-cameras as well as laser guidance right below the main rotor. (-> without the osiris system ontop it makes him around 25km/h faster than the other 2 versions.)

3. UHT Tiger (Unterstützungshubschrauber Tiger)
role: multi-role fire support helicopter. Including anti-tank, fire support, escort, scout etc. Its basically a combined version of HAC and HAP.
Weapons load: anything from Mistral, HOT3, Trigat LR, SNEB, MG Pod. (Optional: the RMK 30 turrent gun)
Country: Germany
Amount: 212
Optronics: same as the HAC version (Osiris mastersight)

The german version was originally plant as a anti-tank version only, thats why a nose mounted turret gun was not planned, as the french anti-tank version doesnt have a turret gun either. But with the fact not to fight against a soviet tank army, the purpose of an anti-tank-helicopter-only became obsolet. Thats why germany switched form a anti-tank only version to a multi-purpose version, which maybe, and im sure it will, include a nose-mounted turret gun, the Mauser RMK 30 - The first recoilless automatic cannon in the world.

[Vextra]

Bv 206 HÄGGLUND
http://www.rk-reutlingen.de/fahr/bv_monat.jpg



It is not a regular BV206, it is a armored version, 306 og 206S or whatever it is called.

In fact, it is the latest product of Hägglunds, the Bvs 10, bought by the Royal Marines.
Here are two pictures of Bv 206 and Bv 206s (up-armored)
http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/muv/muv_hag.htm
http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/supplement/lav/lav_bv206s.shtml

[Vextra]

Ooooops !!!!! First post, sorry ! How may I include a picture in my reply ?

[Ian H]

Do this,
Click the "Img" box, type or paste the url of the image (obtained by rightclick-properties), then click "Img"again.

Looks like this

www.whateverthehellyourpicture'surlis.com

Welcome!


Royal Marines call the BvS 210 Viking, FYI.

[deutschersoldat]

i heard that the german version of the tiger will still have only tow or hot and not the newest anti tank missiles, because its to expansive for them...



and by the way, does anyone know if the us army or marines, have got already the new one man anti tank system "predator" and "javelin".

predator : http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/sraw.jpg

javelin: http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/fgm-148a.jpg




and how is the german panzerfaust 3 guided?

http://www.rk-westhausen.ostalbforum.de/info/bw-waffen/grafik/pzfst3_2.jpg

[AVZ]

That's why Germany hasn't already put abig gun turret under it's Tiger's: The RMK 30 is under development process. it's going to be modified for Tiger-use. Because the Tiger pilots are still in training Germany doesn't need a big gun that fast. It'sprobably coming the next years. But then Germany will have the best gun for this mission.

The RMK 30 fires less rds per minute than the usual/older guns. The current system fires 300 rds/min!!!! It's acomplete electric gun so you can switch the firerate up and down. Bcause of it's construction it is more accurate , that's why it doesn't need a high fire-rate. It's made to fit also on light fighting vehicles bcause of it's recoilness!! The RMK 30 is low on weight and compact.

In future the RMK 30 should/is hopefully be integrated in following system: helicopters like the Tiger,NH90 (perhaps as a pod-version), in roboters, Wiesel,Dingo,Boxer, Fennek, Fox, in combat-UAV,in submarines as an self-defense over the waterline weapon, and as a navy weapon for small patrol boats.


u have to love it!!!!!!! :D

[Haiw]

i heard that the german version of the tiger will still have only tow or hot and not the newest anti tank missiles, because its to expansive for them...



and by the way, does anyone know if the us army or marines, have got already the new one man anti tank system "predator" and "javelin".

predator : http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/sraw.jpg

javelin: http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/fgm-148a.jpg




and how is the german panzerfaust 3 guided?

http://www.rk-westhausen.ostalbforum.de/info/bw-waffen/grafik/pzfst3_2.jpg
I don't know about the Predator, but the US have bought and used the Javelin in Iraq. The Canadians also ordered the Javelin last year...

[AVZ]

i heard that the german version of the tiger will still have only tow or hot and not the newest anti tank missiles, because its to expansive for them...



The RTiger will be equipped with Hot 3 and Trigat long range fire and forget weapon!!!!! both very new weapons. They won't use TOW!!


and how is the german panzerfaust 3 guided?


Just an old anti tank weapon. you aim shooot and run as fast as you can:-;

It's going to be upgraded so that it#s going to be guided in the next years.

[perdurabo]

Basic version of Panzerfaust 3 is not guided but in late 90' german MoD wanted it wit guide system and two diffrent wersions was presented oneIPAW from Rheinmetal and other one RS from dynamit nobel + Rafael i don't know if they are used by military i have very old data on AT wepons :/

[mustamato]

From army-technology.com:
[quote]Recoilless Automatic Cannon RMK 30

The RMK 30 is the first recoilless automatic cannon in the world. High firepower, low mass, compactness, rigid and simple design as well as high operational availability are the main features of the RMK 30. High integration flexibility allows the RMK 30 to be used as combat mission kit on almost any kind of light military vehicle or as main armament for modern infantry fighting vehicles.

How can it be recoilless?

[deutschersoldat]

panzeraust 3

Just an old anti tank weapon. you aim shooot and run as fast as you can:-;

It's going to be upgraded so that it#s going to be guided in the next years.

its not old. it is able to destroy all modern tanks, even if it is ractive armored.
and it is easy to use, but it would be good, when they get guided missiles too

[Herrmannek]

From army-technology.com:

Recoilless Automatic Cannon RMK 30

The RMK 30 is the first recoilless automatic cannon in the world. High firepower, low mass, compactness, rigid and simple design as well as high operational availability are the main features of the RMK 30. High integration flexibility allows the RMK 30 to be used as combat mission kit on almost any kind of light military vehicle or as main armament for modern infantry fighting vehicles.

How can it be recoilless?

Because it has holes on both ends of barrel :)

[deutschersoldat]

http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/contentbase2.nsf/docname/BA04EEB0C31F5842C1256E51003C5ED3


their they are testing a 12.7 mm gun on the eurocpotiger..


sure that they will get the rmk30?

[Mr. Nielsen]

How can it be recoilless?

Very much like the Carl Gustav.

http://www.waffenhq.com/flugzeuge/rmk30_01.gif

http://www.waffenhq.com/flugzeuge/rmk30_02.gif

[mustamato]

http://www.waffenhq.com/flugzeuge/rmk30_02.gif

Not very good to be behind it then I guess. But for Tiger, and recon vehicles
like Wiesel and so forth it´s a interesting concept.


http://www.deutschesheer.de/relaunch/contentbase2.nsf/docname/BA04EEB0C31F5842C1256E51003C5ED3


their they are testing a 12.7 mm gun on the eurocpotiger..


sure that they will get the rmk30?

"Noch in dieser Woche muss das Raketenschießen abgeschlossen sein, denn als nächster Testabschnitt ist das Schießen mit "Gun Pod 12,7 mm" (Schweres Maschinengewehr) angesetzt."

I take it as it could just be to get software and stuff like that to work, train
pilots, and it can probably quite easily be changed to the MK 30. But then on
the other hand there is also this one, hm:

"Für den Tiger sind unterschiedliche Bewaffnungs-Konfigurationen vorgesehen, beispielsweise Stinger-Luft-Luft-Flugkörper, Maschinengewehr 12,7 Millimeter, ungelenkte Raketen Typ FZ 70 Millimeter, Panzerabwehrlenkflugkörper HOT 3 sowie PARS 3"

[HELEX]

and how is the german panzerfaust 3 guided?

The Panzerfaust is used for short Ranges in urban areas where guidance is not needed and against small fortifications, Buildings and so on because of its relatively big warhead.

Milan is the guided antitank weapon of the infantry.

[Vintendo]

javelin: http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/fgm-148a.jpg




and how is the german panzerfaust 3 guided?

http://www.rk-westhausen.ostalbforum.de/info/bw-waffen/grafik/pzfst3_2.jpg

That pic of the Javelin looks alot like a Dragon.
Also, Panzerfaust=RPG on steriods.

[Ian H]

Its a Javelin.

[AK-Lover]

http://globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/dragon-dvic543.jpg
Much shorter than Javelin.

[Vextra]

[quote=HELEX]
Bv 206 HÄGGLUND
http://www.rk-reutlingen.de/fahr/bv_monat.jpg


Ok, second try...

It is not a regular BV206, it is a armored version, 306 og 206S or whatever it is called.

In fact, it is the latest product of Hägglunds, the Bvs 10, bought by the Royal Marines.
Here are two pictures of Bv 206s (up-armored) and Bv 206

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/susv_bv206sfr.jpg
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/susv_wpe22.jpg

[AVZ]

More info on the RMK 30:


http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/RMKtable.jpg

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/RMKchart.jpg

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/RMKwiesel.jpg

[Ian H]

An earlier post mentioned the Marder would be replaced with the Puma, anyone know anything about this?

[HELEX]

Not completely, it will replace some of them because it is Air transportable. But not all in forseeable Future. It will be used "out of area".

But Marder has to be replaced completely sooner or later.

[deutschersoldat]

but it is sure that the bundeswehr get 410 pumas