[German BW]Not so new DSO picture? Who are those guys?

[caleb]

I stumbled upon this picture and I've wondered who they are i.e. which unit they are from. It looks like a posed image for a book or a public maneuver.
Judging by their Gucci kit and the pixelated faces they may be part of DSO, maybe FallschirmjägerSpezialzug?



I think I've already seen this picture on here somewhere although I'm not sure because I think it would have been posted more often.
I've also searched the whole section multiple times and couldn't find anything.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/duplex25/strange_guys.jpg


Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, caleb.

[Ger_mark]

only see that they wear IDZ systems

[caleb]

only see that they wear IDZ systems

Where do you see IdZ apart from communication system and the body armor? And why the pixelated faces if they're just regulars?

[variable]

They are reservists.

But maybe the mate up front can tell us himself, as he is a member here. He seldom writes though...


ben

[Pille1234]

And why the pixelated faces if they're just regulars?

Because they don't want their faces to wander across the internet?

[caleb]

Ok, so I jumped to conclusions too fast, thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was taken from a book. :oops:

Lol, next time I won't jump the "Omfgh Delta11!!!" train that quickly. :)

BTW: Is this this all regular issue stuff, or are their some private investments? How is the standard BW policy with reservists, are they allowed to buy their own gear and take it to maneuvers?

[McLane]

Do you really think they were regulars? Regular Fallis or what? Grenadiere? I don't know but I think they were a bit more "special" than a regular Soldat o_O

[ooo]

No, they ARE reservists, believe it. Geardos don´t care about the costs of their equipment, but the gear makes no-one D3lT4, they are still reservists.

[caleb]

No, they ARE reservists, believe it. Geardos don´t care about the costs of their equipment, but the gear makes no-one D3lT4, they are still reservists.

Sill, it's kind of confusing, you don't see such "high-speed" gear that often among BW soldiers. Stuff like EoTechs and picatanny rails are normally not seen with regulars or reservists. That's why I asked the question in the first place.

[Crazyjack]

Sill, it's kind of confusing, you don't see such "high-speed" gear that often among BW soldiers. Stuff like EoTechs and picatanny rails are normally not seen with regulars or reservists. That's why I asked the question in the first place.
Those guys spend alot of money on their equip. And, yeah, they look like wtfspecialherotroopers.
The one standing in the front is well known in German militaryforums.

[McLane]

Those guys spend alot of money on their equip. And, yeah, they look like wtfspecialherotroopers.
The one standing in the front is well known in German militaryforums.

Wow that cool. Never heard about it before... any more Pics of him and his group?

[Jester]

This photo is from a reservist FTX some month ago and none of them is a regular or even SF soldier.

[ansonau]

Cool Picture

[Murmelmann]

It's the famous German Territorial KSK. :-)

[Der Weisse Hai]

It's the famous German Territorial KSK. :-)

Territorial-KSK has changed to

SEK-T: Spezialisierte Einsatzkräfte Territorialverteidigung
(Special Operation Forces - Territorial Defence)

;)

Der Weisse Hai

P.S.: To be honest: This are high motivated reservists of various branches of the German Army, Air Force, Navy and Streitkraeftebasis (difficult to translate, somethinjg like Joint Armed Forces Support Service).

[Murmelmann]

How come you changed your name?

[Crazyjack]

How come you changed your name?
OPSEX!!!
Don´t ask further questions or you get penetrated!

[Murmelmann]

That's a tough decision I have to make now! :)

[Ger_mark]

province KSK, cool stuff

[caleb]

That's a tough decision I have to make now! :)

Ugh! You disgust me....

[Switek]

Interesting situation...

In ordnung loving Germany we have groups of reservists/territorial troops who invest their own money to improve their stuff - weapons, gear uniforms (?) which is completly against army regulations, I guess. Is this tolerated by their superiors? What is their status then? I could imagine that situation in US, Canada but nowhere in Europe except some special forces members (on current duty) or soldiers deployed to war zones... who buy additional eqiupement on their own.

[Pte Schwede]

Actually i belive it is quite common, here in Sweden we have whats called
Hemvärnet (homeguard, nationalguard) they are issued with the basic personal equipment and gear that they need for fullfilling their duties, but
it is a very common thing that these gents/ladies go and buy their own stuff (smocks, boots, different kinds of LBE:s, etc). If it is for "upgrading"
their equipment or because they are a little bit to interested, i have no idea, but i am very certain about it.

[Crazyjack]

Interesting situation...
Is this tolerated by their superiors?
Seems like it is tolerated!


What is their status then?
Reservists + some connections + interest + money to spend on gadgets

[Combatbookworm]

the G36 is a mean looking rifle, I like it. What other armies use this weapon, or are planning to?

[Crazyjack]

the G36 is a mean looking rifle, I like it. What other armies use this weapon, or are planning to?
Spain is using it.

[He219]

Lots of agencies have adopted the G36 worldwide.

Changed the name to 'not so new' because it was posted back on May 6th, titled - "Prior to a [training] raid on a railroad bridge."
;)

[Ravage]

So you mean it's like the 21st SAS (TA) ?

[ooo]

Krrr, "territorial KSK" was a April joke in a German military forum and "SEK-T" is a revision of the Term. They are "only" a group of motivated reservists, as mentioned earlier ...

[seventy6er]

This is C*****, who is a member here, at sondereinheiten.de, waffenhq, HKPRO and I guess some other forums I don't know of ;-)

[Der Weisse Hai]

This is how it all began as an april-joke (http://www.sondereinheiten.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6826&highlight=territorialksk)

SEK-T is another approach, but nothing official for our glorious political-military leaders think the future of the armed forces reservists is either to replace some active soldiers or train and fight as a territorial organized federal fire brigade

Since we are an "army in missions" the use of private equipment usually is often tolerated.

DWH

[Macs.]

No "Bosch Bohrhammer Tactical Vertical-Grip" = Not special !

[Der Weisse Hai]

Lots of agencies have adopted the G36 worldwide.

Changed the name to 'not so new' because it was posted back on May 6th, titled - "Prior to a [training] raid on a railroad bridge."
;)

Unfortunately I did not find a thread named like that :(

[German]

No, they ARE reservists, believe it. Geardos don´t care about the costs of their equipment, but the gear makes no-one D3lT4, they are still reservists.


He's right.

Although some gear just makes life (and thus fulfilling the mission) easier.

Everything else is just some dead freight...



Because they don't want their faces to wander across the internet?

That's about it.

So no fancy OPSEX, just plain and simple PERSEX... ummm... SEC... I'm not that pretty anyway.



Wow that cool. Never heard about it before... any more Pics of him and his group?

A couple [click on some of them to enlarge]...

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_02_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_02.jpg)

A day earlier: Calling in MEDEVAC for a vehicle accident casualty


http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_03_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_03.jpg)

Squad members closing in on mission objective


http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_11_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_11.jpg)

Squad members approaching to search & cuff subdued OPFOR


http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_10_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_10.jpg)

Platoon in after-action hotwash with O/C after attack on already mentioned railroad bridge


http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_04_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_04.jpg)

Our squad's machinegunner (No, no Delta!!!111, just allergic to camopaint...)


Some more pics taken during hotwash:

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_05_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_05.jpg)

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_09_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_09.jpg)

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_08_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_08.jpg)

Our machinegunner again.
Tough guy, by the way, he carried a MG3 complete with spare barrel and a G36, complete LBE and additional ammunition for both of the guns during the entire days of the exercise...

Some more pics taken on other moments of the EX:

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_06_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_06.jpg)

Machinegunner moving up into position during counterambush



http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_01_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_01.jpg)

Squadleader taking aim.


http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_07.jpg

Photo taken during short break during forced march, sorry for crappy quality.
Just wanted to give an impression what size of pack we where humping around - not that far by the way, just a tad under 10 miles each leg.



Gear of the day(s) is comprised of a mix of either the issued "KSK"-vest (Moskito and Schleswiger Tauwerke model IIRC) or the ATXS (Mk. II) Chestrig as second line, depending on function. First line consists of different brands of boonies, smocks or modified issued flecktarn parkas, combat- or "KSK"-pants (did I mention that I actually hate this attach-KSK-to-every-gear-item-name bull**** :roll: ), med-pack, hydration system, combat gloves, basic E&E-stuff, radio. Third line consists of (issued) berghaus or similar packs.

That's about it - just practical stuff with a (lot of) thought behind it, nothing really "special".

[megusen]

Damn those are nice pics. i would love to do such things with my rk.

hut ab

[caleb]

Absolutely fantastic pictures, thank you very much German!

[He219]

Superb report, German!
Thank you
:)

[Der Weisse Hai]

... I'm not that pretty anyway.



I can confirm that ;) :P :D

[apm]

nice pix but why are the units armpatches pixelized? i guess because the same reason why their faces are, but is it so important? they really behave like they were sf.

[German]

Just because neither name, rank or bloodgroup are of any public interest and the pixelized velcro contains some of it.

Isn't this the forum that drives whatever-SEC to the max? ;) Thought so...

By the way: the guys shown aren't "acting SF", they're just acting like seasoned german army soldiers using state of the art equipment - nothing particular special in that - IMHO all of the reserve should be motivated and trained like this.

[Macs.]

Damn right German.

Better someone who invests something into his service and is motivated to do it, then someone who is tottaly uninterested in it.

But obviously there are always people pointing their fingers at those who actually do something and show motivation.

[German]

I can confirm that ;) :P :D

Wanna marry me, dude? http://carlos.excaliba.de/Smilies/blume.gif

[apm]

Damn right German.

Better someone who invests something into his service and is motivated to do it, then someone who is tottaly uninterested in it.

But obviously there are always people pointing their fingers at those who actually do something and show motivation.

nothing to say against this, i just had that question.

btw, i hope you dont mean me :)

[Crazyjack]

Nice pictures. Haven´t seen them yet.

[McLane]

Wow, very nice, thx for sharing and informations!

[6ft4]

German, thanks for sharing the pics and information!

[Blackburn]

It looks like, some of the reservists there got the new bw gloves...

I don't like them, dunno why. but I prefer the older ones

[KaG90]

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_05.jpg

whats with the bowman headset and the KEP-33 PTT button? that not german issue, is it? ;)
(did it work with the unit radios?)

[German]

It looks like, some of the reservists there got the new bw gloves...

I don't like them, dunno why. but I prefer the older ones

There aren't any of the new "Kampfhandschuhe" (combat gloves) in these pictures.

Most of the guys use Hatch Operators, some oldstyle Tankers and others the (old) issued (working-)gloves.

The new BW Combat Gloves look like this (note the difference) and I'm not too fond of them either:

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/hf_sfg_02.jpg

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/hf_sfg_05.jpg




whats with the bowman headset and the KEP-33 PTT button? that not german issue, is it? ;)

It's not issued - I guess that's because it works and is pretty comfortable and useful...



(did it work with the unit radios?)

It can work with certain issued radios and the right adaptor.

But we use Kenwood TK3101 and other, cheap PMR radios for intra-squad communication. That gives every guy a radio - quite an asset IMHO (what's the term? PRR?).

Doing this frees a number of issued SEM52S for the communication between different squads of the platoon using separate channels and up to company level (if within range). Beyond their range the issued SEM35 are used (if they actually work for that day, that is).

[baifrank]

There aren't any of the new "Kampfhandschuhe" (combat gloves) in these pictures.

Most of the guys use Hatch Operators, some oldstyle Tankers and others the (old) issued (working-)gloves.

The new BW Combat Gloves look like this (note the difference) and I'm not too fond of them either:

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/hf_sfg_02.jpg

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/hf_sfg_05.jpg





It's not issued - I guess that's because it works and is pretty comfortable and useful...




It can work with certain issued radios and the right adaptor.

But we use Kenwood TK3101 and other, cheap PMR radios for intra-squad communication. That gives every guy a radio - quite an asset IMHO (what's the term? PRR?).

Doing this frees a number of issued SEM52S for the communication between different squads of the platoon using separate channels and up to company level (if within range). Beyond their range the issued SEM35 are used (if they actually work for that day, that is).

look like MAG-GUN

[German]

look like MAG-GUN

Yep, that's a M240B, these are the only pics I have on my webspace showing those gloves...


...last two pics where taken during cross-training with some of those kick-ass-take-name-type guys from the US.

[Spotter]

Squadleader taking aim.
damn posing... *g*

[seventy6er]

Nice pics! You should post more pics from your website. Always interesting!

Thx a bunch!

[variable]

Some I collected:

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/WH_0601_AUG_4.jpg
http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/M4A1_fullauto.jpg
http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/SR9_MP5.jpg
http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/SB_MG3_EOTech_1.jpg
http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/MG_4___1.jpeg

Can't say anything about the pics...only thing I know is that they are from his page:)

ben

[He219]

I like the crye multicam (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/WH_0601_AUG_3.jpg) ..
Looking good.
:)

[variable]

The cryewhat?

[variable]

Oh I just noticed that there is more in these pics the eyes meet on first glance:

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/WH_0601_AUG_1.jpg
http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/WH_0601_AUG_2.jpg
http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/WH_0601_AUG_3.jpg
http://carlos.excaliba.de/Bilder/WH_0601_AUG_4.jpg

Thanks for the hint He:)

ben

[He219]

The cryewhat?
Multicam, as in the pictures above ..

http://www.multicampattern.com/gear.htm

[venom]

may I say so much, its not crye MC.

[Crazyjack]

Just look at the gloves...and the pale skin...he´s everywhere. :D

[German]

To make a long story short and safe the guesswork for more interesting mysteries:


The depicted smock is made by Tac Gear, a german gear maker, and the fabric is most probably a MC-knockoff as it is rip-stop (which wasn't (and still isn't?) available from Crye at that time) which is (also most probably) the reason why it isn't available anymore.

The smock itself is quite well made - although I personally prefer other brands.

Regarding Multicam I think (after a bit of testing) that it doesn't suit my/our area of operation which is obviously central europe / Germany.
There is a certain reason why flecktarn looks like it is and right now I consider it the best suited camo pattern for our region & vegetation.
MC is IMO way to light-colored to be a general purpose camo pattern around here...


Just to give an impression of flecktarn in its ecological nice:

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_12_small.jpg (http://carlos.excaliba.de/Carlos/made_mp_12.jpg)
(Click to enlarge)


Regarding the pale skin: My mommy doesn't let me go out that often to play with those other nerds, hence the radiation-challenged complexion. http://carlos.excaliba.de/Smilies/thefinger.gif

[Der Weisse Hai]

TheTacGear Multicam-Smock shown on the pictures above is a reasonably priced alternative to "original" MC- or Drop-Zone-Smocks. The design is very similar to the Arktis Multi-Pocket-Smock.

DWH

[variable]

TheTacGear Multicam-Smock shown on the pictures above is a reasonably priced alternative to "original" MC- or Drop-Zone-Smocks. The design is very similar to the Arktis Multi-Pocket-Smock.

DWH

Funny time to post:) Internet at work or a fruehaufsteher?


I'll hit the pillow now....nachtschichten sind Killer wenn nichts los ist:)


The Flecktarn pic is imressive! There was a pic a while ago where some softair guys hid in the woods. There were like 7 in the pic and I spotted only one.

Ben

[German]

Well, you can do impressive pics with almost any camo pattern when you place it in the right surrounding, even with regular OD stuff.
Take the MC vs. ACU-Thread going on here right now for example.

But to stay down-to-earth: As long as you keep movement, light and silhouetting under control, you can wear a wide array of camo and still be well camouflaged, so the individual pattern is the groundwork but not that important.

Fact is, I/we don't do deserts or mountains so I "just" have to cope with central european vegetation and here I made the experience that MC is too light for an estimated 95% of all situations (not that it would be an option for anything else than OPFOR-Stuff anyway) and Flecktarn is pretty useful most of the time.

[Der Weisse Hai]

The most stylish OPFOR-Outfit without a doubt is the Bundesgrenzschutz-Sumpftarn (in my opinion) :)

[venom]

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[Der Weisse Hai]

http://freenet-homepage.de/carcharodon_praxis/SEK-T/SEKT-1k.jpg

http://freenet-homepage.de/carcharodon_praxis/SEK-T/SEKT-2k.jpg

http://freenet-homepage.de/carcharodon_praxis/SEK-T/SEKT-3k.JPG

http://freenet-homepage.de/carcharodon_praxis/SEK-T/SEKT-4k.jpg

http://freenet-homepage.de/carcharodon_praxis/SEK-T/SEKT-6k.jpg

http://freenet-homepage.de/carcharodon_praxis/SEK-T/SEKT-8k.jpg

[Blackburn]

nice pictures, thanks for that.

DWH:
Whats your opinion to the Glock FM?
'Cuz I'm thinkin' 'bout to buy one for service,
and just wanna hear some feedback about it.

Grüße

[Der Weisse Hai]

@Blackburn,

in my opinion the Glock Feldmesser is the best field knife you can get regarding value for money. It is a low-cost solid knife, well designed and multifunctional. However, the blade is not made of stainless steel, but if maintenanced correctly, there will be no problems. I bought my first one nearly 20 Years ago and I have never had any reasons for disatisfaction with this knife.

DWH

[caronte]

about tac gear combat smock:
http://www.uak-airsoft.com/materialairsoft/combatsmockparka.html

[Blackburn]

@dwh

Thanks a lot, for your feedback.
How do you keep the blade in shape?
Meaning stainless, sharp and so on.

Thanks in advance,

Blackburn out

[venom]

about tac gear combat smock:
http://www.uak-airsoft.com/materialairsoft/combatsmockparka.html

sorry to break the news to you, but tacgear smocks and their fabric tend to suck. the colors arent quite right and the material is very hard and thick.Even after washing it a few times it wont turn good. There are many better manufacturers for Smocks. of course this is only my pers. oipinion and 2cents.

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well ok, I guess like the attention whore I am and post the group pic in a bit better resolution if that's ok with you plus two other nice shots@DWH

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1157/team2cf9.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=team2cf9.jpg)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7226/rangeevaldb9.th.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rangeevaldb9.jpg)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2438/titelbildcx8.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=titelbildcx8.jpg)

[Der Weisse Hai]

@dwh

Thanks a lot, for your feedback.
How do you keep the blade in shape?
Meaning stainless, sharp and so on.

Thanks in advance,

Blackburn out


Hey Blackburn,

from time to time I use some weapons oil to clean the blade. To sharpen it I use a normal grindstone. As yo see it is not very spectacular but I am not a "Knife-Freak".

DWH

[seventy6er]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1157/team2cf9.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=team2cf9.jpg)


How many forum-members are there on this pic?

[AirCommando]

Uuuuaaah, that´s defenitely in HAMMELBURG!
(Sorry if someone mentioned it before).

Nice pix.............

[venom]

afaik it's not hammelburg

[Blackburn]

Hey Blackburn,

from time to time I use some weapons oil to clean the blade. To sharpen it I use a normal grindstone. As yo see it is not very spectacular but I am not a "Knife-Freak".

DWH

DWH:

Thanks a lot, for your feedback!

Is there a problem using weapons oil on the blade,
and also prepareing food and stuff?

[venom]

another one:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3230/shootklmz9.th.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shootklmz9.jpg)

[AirCommando]

afaik it's not hammelburg
Oh, it´s not KATERSCHLAG over there?

[Lukáš]

Cool pics Thanks