Lebanese M113 [Archive] - Military Photos

wicked_hind

07-15-2006, 01:33 PM

I like the Afghan BMP-1 w/ZU-23-2, quite interesting! No, the Iraqi MT-LB w/ZU-23-2. Ah, I can't decide!

What about the Somali technicals? I remember watching the news back in the day when we were in Somalia and seeing everything mounted on those little Land Rover and Toyota trucks such as Dshk-12 and KPV heavy machine guns to a UV-16 57mm rocket pod-something like a mini MLRS. Pretty wild stuff in my opinion.

Giann53

07-15-2006, 01:38 PM

Great images.

Roy Batty

07-15-2006, 02:36 PM

Afghanistan 2003. Came across it parked in an alley and un-maned ( don't even know if it worked or not..lol )

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5016/210sp7.jpg

wicked_hind

07-15-2006, 03:11 PM

Even if that BMP couldn't run, I bet you a hundred bucks that gun still works!p-)

guest

07-15-2006, 03:13 PM

[QUOTE=Canadian Sig]Afghanistan 2003. Came across it parked in an alley and un-maned ( don't even know if it worked or not..lol )

I saw 2 down south about, oh.. 2 odd months ago.

They were tan, no cammo.. out in a veh park at a compound.

They were deffinately in working cond.

That one was near Kabul wasn't it?

I'd think it worked, otherwise the locals would have stripped the gun and put it on a Toyota or something. (or a donkey cart)

Hell, you must of seen those HMGs on what looked like carriage or even large wheelbarrow wheels.

Ozymandias

07-15-2006, 06:46 PM

Don't get it, these BMPs in A-stan are just......lying there? I mean someone's must be guarding them, right?

Roy Batty

07-15-2006, 07:57 PM

[QUOTE=Canadian Sig]
That one was near Kabul wasn't it?

I'd think it worked, otherwise the locals would have stripped the gun and put it on a Toyota or something. (or a donkey cart)

Hell, you must of seen those HMGs on what looked like carriage or even large wheelbarrow wheels.

Yah just outside if I recall (either that or Bagrham, it's all blurring together and thats a sure sign that I need another tour..lol). I've seen them mount some serious hardware on the wierdest goddamn transport. Hell, one day I saw them pull a live, full grown cow out of the back of a Toyota Carolla hatchback where it was sharing space with about 10 locals.

Roy Batty

07-15-2006, 07:57 PM

Don't get it, these BMPs in A-stan are just......lying there? I mean someone's must be guarding them, right?

nope......not always :)

struuv

07-15-2006, 08:10 PM

The bmp version looks great :) thanks for posting.

superkream

07-15-2006, 08:14 PM

need help, how do i post a pic from imageshack?

kosse

07-15-2006, 08:17 PM

need help, how do i post a pic from imageshack?

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He219

07-15-2006, 08:19 PM

Does anyone got some good pics of these lebanese M113 equipped with ZSU AA gus, I've seen some in TV news but I'm not sure if its come from the hezbollah or the lebanese army, I guess its lebanese army... thanks to advance..

How's this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/notgonnadothismuchlonger/more/more/more/30698524.jpg

A Lebanese soldier, sitting behind an anti-aircraft gun, fires at Israeli warplanes flying overhead, from his position in the southern port city of Sidon, Lebanon, Friday, July 14, 2006. Israel brought its offensive in Lebanon to south Beirut on Friday, with warplanes blasting residential neighborhoods in an attempt to hit Hezbollah's headquarters and road links. Airstrikes cut the main highway to Syria and exploded fuel tanks, sending palls of smoke over the capital. (AP 0Photo/Mohammed Zaatari)

Dark Avenger

07-16-2006, 12:56 PM

It takes a lot of guts to fire at a state-of-the-art fighter with this gun, especially sine it has not been fitted with a modern FCS. I give this guy an A+ just for the effort.
PS I have seen pics of Lebanese M113s with single,twin and quadruple 14,5mm guns as well-ZPU-1, 2 & 4 respectively, as well as a pic of one with ACAV shields and a Russian made B-10 82mm recoilless rifle attached to the side of the TC's cupola. Will try to post some pics tomorrow (I'll have to scan some from a Concord Publications book).

Zeev

07-16-2006, 01:18 PM

How's this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/notgonnadothismuchlonger/more/more/more/30698524.jpg

rofl rofl

they cant be serious!! trying to destroy a F16 or a F15 with this kind of toys.... hope make people living :lol:

Hydro

07-16-2006, 01:22 PM

rofl rofl

they cant be serious!! trying to destroy a F16 or a F15 with this kind of toys.... hope make people living :lol:

It can happen, it's hard to actually hit the aircraft, but it does happen. 23mm isn't exactly a popgun round.

Kvakva

07-16-2006, 01:28 PM

rofl rofl

they cant be serious!! trying to destroy a F16 or a F15 with this kind of toys.... hope make people living :lol:
If the plane is in range and gunner is skilfull enought it can destroy the plane. Besides it's a zsu-23-2 and that 23 mm ammo will serious damage to a plane.

Dark Avenger

07-16-2006, 01:40 PM

Kvakva, I think you can safely call it a ZSU, as it is fitted on a vehicle, but the gun itself is a ZU-23-2. Still, you can't help but admire these guys. As you mentioned, it takes skill to bring down a fast mover with this. But on the plus side, as it lacks radar, the target will not know he's being shot at until he sees the tracer streak by, or (if no tracer is loaded) until he's blasted out of the sky-if the gunner is both skilled and very, very lucky. It is also lethal against low and slow flying helicopters...

guest

07-16-2006, 01:57 PM

rofl rofl

they cant be serious!! trying to destroy a F16 or a F15 with this kind of toys.... hope make people living :lol:

I'm glad you arn't worried about AA fire.. however I doubt an actual pilot would be as unconcerned.

F16 or F15 are not immune..

Airplanes, as a rule are quite fragile.

25mm would do alot of damage to either airplane should they actually hit it.

Especially if they are "low and slow"

That said, a missle battery makes a far more effective anti-aircraft weapon for fast movers who fly high.

kosse

07-16-2006, 03:13 PM

These zu-23's are usually used in large numbers. When target is spotted it might draw whole battery's fire at it (here 9 guns if I remember correctly). I remember AA guys saying that they would create a screen of fire with the guns in front of the planes. Zu-23s are not the most accurate but they spread huge amounts of ammunition into air in short time. Other than that they said that they can be used to force low flying planes to go up where it would be easier to drop them with manpads.

Zeev

07-16-2006, 04:21 PM

It can happen, it's hard to actually hit the aircraft, but it does happen. 23mm isn't exactly a popgun round.

yeah... of course , evrything can happen in this crazy world .. but you'll agree with me that the probabilities to hit the aircraft with this kind of gun are VERY low..

Hydro

07-16-2006, 04:47 PM

yeah... of course , evrything can happen in this crazy world .. but you'll agree with me that the probabilities to hit the aircraft with this kind of gun are VERY low..

Depends on the gunner, really. A trained AAA crew can certainly cause problems for pilots. It's hard to optically track and engage targets, but you put enough up, you'll hit something eventually. You also don't have any countermeasures against a cloud of 23mm HEI-T rounds in the right place.

Dark Avenger

07-17-2006, 05:23 AM

As I promised, more pics (I'll post even more in the afternoon)...
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8211/m113withzu232lebanonvb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Another view, showing to advantage how the ZU-23-2 is mounted on the M113.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4695/m113lebanon01io2.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113lebanon01io2.jpg)
Lebanese M113 ACAV with B-10 recoilless rifle.

BTW, does anyone have screencaps of a video showing a Hezbollah (?) jeep, probably a Land Cruiser 40 or a CJ rather gaudily painted and with an nice big ZPU-1 on the back???

Norsu

07-17-2006, 06:59 AM

How's this?

A Lebanese soldier, sitting behind an anti-aircraft gun, fires at Israeli warplanes flying overhead

Is it just me or is the optical sight missing? Good luck hitting something with just bare eyes :|. Still you have to give them respect for trying p-).

Luno

07-17-2006, 07:03 AM

Is it just me or is the optical sight missing? Good luck hitting something with just bare eyes :|. Still you have to give them respect for trying p-).

The sight is there but he don’t use it . he is aming with tracers

Dark Avenger

07-17-2006, 07:07 AM

Luno

07-17-2006, 07:18 AM

Now that's a waste of ammo... But it has an effect on the pilot of the attacking aircraft, compelling him to do some evasive manoeuvering..... No one would keep flying straight and level if he saw tracers coming his way.

And that is exactly what the gunner wants. he wants to distract the pilot and force him to change his flight path to the target area

perdurabo

07-17-2006, 10:36 AM

guys role of manpads and aa guns isn't destroying enemy plane! only preventing it from dropping its load! sucess for smaller range aa is defending obejct.

Dark Avenger

07-17-2006, 01:32 PM

More pics
Form Today's Pics (and I mean TODAY). Posted by He219.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3948/30717215du1.th.jpg (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=30717215du1.jpg)

From Concord Publications' "TANK BATTLES IF THE MID-EAST WARS, 1973 TO THE PRESENT".
Lebanese M113A1s with ZPU-1 AA guns.
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3203/m113a1lebanonwithzpu101qb9.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanonwithzpu101qb9.jpg) http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7130/m113a1lebanonwithzpu102nm5.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanonwithzpu102nm5.jpg)

Lebanese M113A1 with ZPU-2 AA gun.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/8153/m113a1lebanonwithzpu2py0.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanonwithzpu2py0.jpg)

Lebanese M113A1s with ZU-23-2 AA guns.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5505/m113a1lebanonwithzu23201gw5.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanonwithzu23201gw5.jpg) http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/8184/m113a1lebanonwithzu23202wd7.th.jpg (http://img322.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanonwithzu23202wd7.jpg) http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/9782/m113a1lebanonwithzu23203ym1.th.jpg (http://img322.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanonwithzu23203ym1.jpg) http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6277/m113a1lebanonwithzu23204df1.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanonwithzu23204df1.jpg) http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/6209/m113a1lebanonwithzu23205ia2.th.jpg (http://img322.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanonwithzu23205ia2.jpg)

Lebanese M113A1 APCs.
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9055/m113a1lebanon01td4.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanon01td4.jpg) http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/5711/m113a1lebanon02kk0.th.jpg (http://img417.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanon02kk0.jpg) http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/4610/m113a1lebanon03bk5.th.jpg (http://img322.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanon03bk5.jpg)
That's all, Folks!

Zeev

07-17-2006, 04:56 PM

really interesting pics.. thanks DA..

Zeev

07-17-2006, 05:15 PM

Ive found this;

ZU 23 2 on various vehicles;
9815

9816

and this;

somali technics
http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/colonel.jpg
Technical based on a Toyota Land Cruiser High Top wagon with the roof cut off and a 14.5 mm gun
http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/m113.jpg
An M-113 mounting a Soviet DShK machine-gun! This was the logistics and support vehicle for a platoon of three T55s belonging to the United Somali Congress.
http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/zpu2.jpg

Another example of a heavy technical, once again based on a Pegaso lorry and mounting a ZPU-2
http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/benz2.jpg
A different view of the Mercedes Benz heavy technical, showing the inside of the bed and the ZPU-2
http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/tech3.jpg
Another view of the heavy technical based on the Pegaso lorry and mounting a twin AA gun
http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/toyota.jpg

This Toyota Land Cruiser with a 106 mm recoilless rifle mounted in the back was the only technical turned over to the Canadians by the USC forces.

http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/m47-1.jpg
Derelict M-47 tank which had been supplied to Siad Barre's army by the government of Italy.
http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/m47-2.jpg
This view shows the penetration in the turret of the M-47, just above the open machine gunner's hatch.

Norsu

07-17-2006, 06:56 PM

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/9782/m113a1lebanonwithzu23203ym1.th.jpg (http://img322.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m113a1lebanonwithzu23203ym1.jpg)

Here (http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/kits/moyenorient/m113_zsu/index_gb.htm) are some pictures of miniature based on the "134" above.

Dark Avenger

07-18-2006, 03:41 AM

Neat pics Zeev. Good to see them again (They have been posted here before). Keep it up. Hope that this damned mess in the Mid-East will settle soon. I got tired of hearing in the news of carnage, mayhem and oil prices going up...
Kudos to Norsu for his find too.

Zeev

07-18-2006, 08:25 AM

Hope that this damned mess in the Mid-East will settle soon. I got tired of hearing in the news of carnage, mayhem and oil prices going up...

I totally agree with you mate.. but the condition to the return of peace is the disappearance of the hezbollah... this is a non negotiable point

Adax

07-18-2006, 10:30 AM

http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/benz2.jpg
It looks like an Ukrainian vahicle :D
Just joking.
Nice pics.

lordroel

07-18-2006, 12:42 PM

nice pics makes me wonder if Hizbollah hase borowd some of the Lebanese m113 fore thier one juse.

wicked_hind

07-18-2006, 06:09 PM

M-47! There's something you don't see everyday. Thanks to all those who posted photos.

One?

07-18-2006, 10:00 PM

nice pics makes me wonder if Hizbollah hase borowd some of the Lebanese m113 fore thier one juse.

Throughout the civil war all militias had tanks and APCs so I wouldnt be surprised. Would they use them now? No, because that defeats their purpose as a gurilla force. If they use APC its easier to spot and they wont be maneuverable.

Dark Avenger

07-19-2006, 03:38 AM

I totally agree with you mate.. but the condition to the return of peace is the disappearance of the hezbollah... this is a non negotiable point

A return to the Statu Quo Ante would suffice for me. I don't care about any of the parties involved, just consider me a strictly neutral observer, and I am not taking sides here, but I really hate hearing the media decry the effects of this mess in the world economy, blah, blah, blah. Attacks on civilians (by either side) is something I don't like as well. Being a lawyer, I can tell you that normally all this mess would be reason enough for the leadership of both Hezbollah and Israel to share the defendants' dock in the International Criminal Court at The Hague...

lordroel

07-19-2006, 05:49 AM

Throughout the civil war all militias had tanks and APCs so I wouldnt be surprised. Would they use them now? No, because that defeats their purpose as a gurilla force. If they use APC its easier to spot and they wont be maneuverable.

thanks fore the info

lordroel

07-19-2006, 05:45 PM

earl

07-19-2006, 08:22 PM

5mb video from Sahara with Michael Palin (episode 1). Showing some old BMP's with ZU23s, run by the Polisario Front.

http://rapidshare.de/files/26350304/bmp_zu23.avi.html

Zeev

07-20-2006, 10:37 AM

I can tell you that normally all this mess would be reason enough for the leadership of both Hezbollah and Israel to share the defendants' dock in the International Criminal Court at The Hague...

do you agree when this court judge serbs soldiers instead of UCK criminals?

Dark Avenger

07-20-2006, 01:46 PM

I prefer that the court judges every case where there is a strong suspicion and/or solid evidence that crimes have been comitted, without any exceptions at all. The problem is that so far the indictments have mostly been politically motivated. I may sound rather idealistic, but this is my firm opinion as a legal professional. Justice must be independent of politics. I know that thus far this has not been the case, but one can only hope...

Dark Avenger

07-24-2006, 06:28 AM

One more photo.
Link: http://media.bonnint.net/apimage/BEI10104101608.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1443/bei10104101608xh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The split rear roof hatches show that it is a M106A1 mortar carrier, but apparently the 107mm (4,2in.) mortar and its associated ammo racks have been removed and the vehicle used as an APC. Very interesting.

lordroel

07-24-2006, 07:01 AM

several pictures of lebaneese m113
http://www.armouredengineer.force9.co.uk/bucket/lebanon/leb1.jpg

http://www.armouredengineer.force9.co.uk/bucket/lebanon/leb2.jpg

Dark Avenger

07-24-2006, 07:18 AM

Lordroel, your pics were posted in the first page of this thread ( http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1782247&postcount=2 ). Sorry, mate, hate to be the bearer of bad news ...

john_titor_my

07-24-2006, 07:41 AM

http://www.lebarmy.gov.lb/images/album/1/066.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060717/capt.a116478bcbeb4c609d9765fdf4cd7e3b.lebanon_israel_mideast_fighting_abc112.jpg
a foto of a m113 of the Lebanese army and a closer look and the ant aircraft gun

I dont know if the upper picture belong to Lebanese army, but the 2nd pic sure belong to them. At the first picture, the guy who manning AA guns surely got some kind of electronic targeting device. I wonder what it is? What does it do?and does the Lebanese got one of those??

Dark Avenger

07-24-2006, 07:49 AM

That's the ZU-23-2 standard optical sight. It has been removed from many guns in lebanese (and not only) service, the gunner aiming with tracer fire. Google ZU-23-2, and you'll see the sight from various perspectives. Several countries, like Finland, Poland, Bulgaria, etc. have developed improved sights and central fire control systems for this gun.

lordroel

07-24-2006, 09:22 AM

a picture of a m113 in lebanees service

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41658000/jpg/_41658458_abumussa_ap2203b.jpg

Dark Avenger

07-24-2006, 01:11 PM

Interesting one, Lordroel. Has the side ACAV shields, but not those normally fitted around the TC's cupola.

lordroel

07-24-2006, 01:14 PM

this whole is driven by hezbolah forces
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/2587/pic4.jpg

lordroel

07-24-2006, 01:22 PM

http://meate.org/I-Lebanon/War/tanks3.jpg
m113 durring the civil war

Dark Avenger

07-18-2007, 03:05 AM

Given that the M113 features prominently in the current events in Lebanon, we might as well revive this thread.
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3975/m113a1lebanon09sandbaggmi0.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4565/m113a1lebanon10sandbaggdd9.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8470/m113a1lebanonwithzu2320ui7.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r173/lancero_2007/julho/625ebdf5.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r173/lancero_2007/julho/f4fb7900.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r173/lancero_2007/julho/03763da3.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r173/lancero_2007/julho/653db527.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/3417/m113a1lebanon11sandbaggrn8.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/8696/m113a1lebanon12gf1.jpg