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EvanL
03-26-2004, 08:18 PM
'North American NATO' under discussion
NORAD could evolve into deeper alliance, says U.S. military leader



CALGARY (CP) - A North American version of NATO is being studied as the United States and Canada shore up defences against future terrorism attacks, the deputy commander of U.S. Northern Command said today.
"Should NORAD adapt once again just as it has done over its history of the last 46 years, just as it did on 9-11?," said Lt.-Gen. Ed Anderson to a gathering of military leaders and academics at a conference on homeland defence and land force reserves.

"Should we take NORAD and adapt some sort of a NATO-like organization? In other words more than just bi-national if we're going to talk continental security," he said.

NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defence Command, provides warning of ballistic missile and aircraft attacks against the United States and Canada, tracks space satellites and debris for the space shuttle missions.

Expanding to include support for maritime, ground and civilian operations makes sense, said Anderson.

"We are at a point when we need to address the future.

"The threat to both of our homelands is real. There should be no doubt in anybody's mind that there is an intent to attack free democracy ... and I will tell you they are working on weapons of mass destruction as their first choice," he said.

"We know that they want to target our homeland again. They want a bigger 9-11."

Any initial move to a NATO-like model would only involve Canada and the U.S but could eventually include Mexico, said Anderson.

"Discussions between our two militaries (U.S. and Mexico) have just not gone to anything on continental security and they've got some sovereignty concerns."

The status quo on homeland security is working right now but will need to be upgraded, said David Bercuson with the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute at the University of Calgary.

"I think a North American NATO is virtually inevitable. What we've got in place right now, the Bi-National Planning Group, is just that - a planning group," said Bercuson.

The three-day conference has attracted delegates from Canada, the U.S., the United Kingdom and Australia. It has focused on the best way to structure, train and deploy land force reserves for homeland defence.

The U.S. Northern Command is looking at having designated reserve units located in all 50 American states with their only responsibility being part of a homeland defence force, said Anderson.

"There is still a need for a strategic reserve for our military for deployment overseas, but there may be a need now for homeland defence forces given the change in strategic environment," said Anderson.

A homeland defence force would also shorten the chain of command, since National Guard units and their resources are under the control of state governors.

"We just feel the nature of the threat is such that we have to have dedicated forces," said Anderson who said a homeland force would be made up of infantry soldiers.

"We want to have the forces that we know are ready to go and trained and equipped and organized.

"We don't want to wait for another 9-11 to be the catalyst to make some of these things happen."

scm77
03-26-2004, 08:38 PM
I think we should do this and Canda and the US should share their military budgets equally 50/50. rofl rofl rofl yeah right. One can always dream though.

pAt
03-26-2004, 10:21 PM
Canada should get their act together before they start talkin ****

Lone Predator
03-26-2004, 10:39 PM
Canada should get their act together before they start talkin ****

huh?

pAt
03-26-2004, 11:11 PM
i think Canada should get better security measures and such

SeanAshi
03-26-2004, 11:53 PM
Should we include Mexico?

EvanL
03-27-2004, 12:52 AM
Should we include Mexico?
Only if they include those scrumptious breakfast burritos.
J/k
All kidding aside i dont think mexico has anything they can contribute. they have more interest in fixing their own country right now.

SeanAshi
03-27-2004, 01:03 AM
Do they even have a military? I've been to Juarez I seen a green jeep with a 50cal on it that was it, Cancoon there were drunk soldiers passed out on the beach other then that, not sure what they have.
Only if they include those scrumptious breakfast burritosYou have to be careful with what you eat there, I had a dog burrito and didn't know it til I ate it :cantbeli: Its not like Taco Bell sorry to say.

EvanL
03-27-2004, 01:09 AM
Do they even have a military? I've been to Juarez I seen a green jeep with a 50cal on it that was it, Cancoon there were drunk soldiers passed out on the beach other then that, not sure what they have.
Only if they include those scrumptious breakfast burritosYou have to be careful with what you eat there, I had a dog burrito and didn't know it til I ate it :cantbeli: Its not like Taco Bell sorry to say.
So thats wat happened to the dog from the taco bell commercials.

SeanAshi
03-27-2004, 01:24 AM
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Taco+Bell/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.kimball.k12.sd.us/FIRE/Yo%20Quiro%20Taco%20Bell.jpg

scott
03-27-2004, 01:51 AM
i like how the calgary press was making this conference out to be an important meeting of north american defence officials to lay out ideas for defending the continent

it was a reserve forces in civil society conference
when gen. eberhart (northcom) or ray henault start talking, then ill believe them

dr. bercuson is not from the canadian defence and foreign affairs institute, hes from the centre for military & strategic studies

summary: nato north american style?- not gunna happen
lemme guess, was it in the national post?
:lol:

soma
03-27-2004, 02:06 AM
Maybe the US will give us money, so we can have a REAL ARMY that doesn't wear forrest fatigues in a desert.

Mr Gently Benevolent
03-27-2004, 05:48 AM
You have to be careful with what you eat there, I had a dog burrito and didn't know it til I ate it :cantbeli: Its not like Taco Bell sorry to say.
What did it taste like, a Chinese girl I knew said dog was OK, she tried a couple of times when she was visiting her grandparents in China. :)

SeanAshi
03-27-2004, 06:03 AM
chewy with a nasty ass after taste, I spent $10 on bottled water and toothpaste,

Apogee
03-27-2004, 10:12 AM
I think that NORTHCOM would play a large role in the US's integration to a North American defense league. While that may be a good idea, you have to remember that it would be fundementall different than NATO, which was constructed on the premis of defending Europe from the Russians (a heavy, mechanized, conventional force) not terrorists (unconventional, not usually affialiated with a state).

In my opinion, we do not need this. One of our (as an American) major problems is our lack of boarder control, knowing who and what enters the country. Creating a defense league does not work to that end at all. Mutual defense groups worry about the external boarders, not the internal ones. Just one man's opinion though.

Parzival
03-27-2004, 10:50 AM
lol, Canada has a military buudget around 6-8 billions USdollars. US about 247 billions USdollars

scm77
03-27-2004, 10:58 AM
I believe the US military budget is around $400 billion US.

marty649
03-29-2004, 01:06 AM
with current exchange rates the CDN military budget is 10 billion USD

talib_killa34
03-29-2004, 03:14 AM
Any cooperation is welcome. Cheers Canada!

As for Mexico, they have a first rate-second rate army (don't ask about their naval or air assets) that does well enough to maintain order in the country. They do depend on the US for defense from attack from other countries (Grenada??) like Guatemala and the such. But they don't really have any problems with anyone, not even Cuba.

Anywhere you go in Mexico you can and will be stopped by the federal police or army at various checkpoints. They happen to be just lounging around, hanging out-"stopping all those drug cartels".

Yeah right! ;)